Enjoyed the chat as always. A couple of comments - large numbers of top sportsman across the world love playing golf. Fenway are a multi-sports organisation, can you imagine the power of a Liverpool player or Red Sox hero pushing the enjoyment of Golf - thats massive compared with old pictures of Jack, Arnold and Gary....PIF? Limited.. Forget money, gender or majors - watch the last 4 holes of the LPGA tournament at the weekend - good, bad, ugly, magnificent - that's what get us excited because WE mainly watch golf.....
Well, we know how much money impresses you, so here's an update. PGA is taking a 3bil investment, a billion more than PIF gave to LIV. A LIV/PGA deal is unlikely.
@@1362pcAnd PIF is out, Fenway is in. PIF spends $2 billion on a product nobody watches or cares about. Where is PIF’s revenue. What business wants to piss money down the drain? One that has a CEO that wants to destroy the game maybe?
@@ThinkingManShowso appreciate your insight. A couple questions if I may. It seems you are pro LIV and anti-PGA Tour. That’s fine, your opinion. But a question for you then. Is it Greg’s goal to destroy the PGA TOUR entirely? It seems so. I mean if you basically take 40 out of the best 50 golfers to LIV than PGAT is dead. But are there enough people that care about LIV to watch or to get corporate sponsors? I don’t know any 50-75 year olds that watch LIV. Twenty somethings don’t watch TV golf. Team golf will never work. 54 hole shotguns will never appeal to golf fans. So what is the end game? Destroy the PGA TOUR and have no interest in the game. That’s what I think would happen. How does LIV make money. And nobody is gonna watch the PGAT For Blander Xander and Cantlay. I just don’t see the end game. Maybe I’m missing something.Would love to hear your opinion.
That's a big topic Mac. Here's a quick reply: Norman has said without deviation for the past 30 years his goal is a "world super tour" where only the best play against each other in a limited number of events. The best from any tour, anywhere. This super tour would not replace a player's home tour but rather have a place along side it. PGA Tour audience is shrinking due to demographics and the rise of digital media among younger generations. Younger people play video games on their phones, tablets and game consoles with much of their leisure time. When not on video games, they are on TH-cam, Netflix, Amazon Prime and other streaming options. Live sports is no longer a first or even second choice for many. This drains audience from all sports but golf as a much smaller sport is particularly vulnerable. Soccer is one bright spot where youth still play and therefore watch pro teams - hence the massive Saudi investment in pro soccer. Pro golf needs a global fan base and a format that appeals to younger audiences. Not an easy task but necessary. In addition to being a "super tour" in concept, LIV is experimenting trial and error with how to engage younger potential fans around the world. We don't believe the goal of PIF via LIV Golf is to takeover pro golf. Quite the opposite. The PIF wants to join the pro golf system but sees that the current PGA Tour is not nearly global enough for the PIF to accomplish it's economic goals therefore they want to expand pro golf outside the US using LIV as that vehicle. What are the Saudi goals then: to move the Saudi economy and culture closer to The West and get more access to better investment deals via corporate connections gained through the pro golf "ecosystem". Golf has a unique and prominent place in the corporate world and PIF as a venture capital entity wants more access to that network of business elites.
@@ThinkingManShow I appreciate your opinions and I agree with many of your points on golf aging out and getting younger viewers. But if so, why didn’t golf/LIV take off on TH-cam then. And I think Norman yes has wanted a world tour for 30 years and is still bitter that Jack and Arnie told him forget it. Global schmobal, I’ve had that word shoved down my throat for 30 years in business. I’m in a 20 person golf league, not one person watches LIV. Paul McGinley said nobody in Ireland watches LIV. If two tours coexist, so be it. Tiger wants his legacy PGA. Tiger still has power. Greg is not well liked. By anybody. The Saudis of course want to get in with American business. It sounds like SSG said no. It’s obviously gotten petty and ugly. Taking Rahm was dirty pool. Tbh, I ain’t got much time left. I want to watch good golf on history venues not in Dubai or Japan. Let these fidget spinner kids figure out golf media when I’m dead. Cause they are not watching now. 40% of college graduates live at home in mommy’s basement watching Netflix and getting high. Not my problem. Get a job and pay for cable like everyone else.
PGA admin talent is busy, Jay's time is expendable, and he needs to memorize the faces of his new overlords. There's no telling when one of them might stop by at PGA HQ later in the year.
With Jay and Yassir, it feels like two foxes shaking hands about how they’re gonna guard the hen house. They’re shaking hands but don’t trust each other at all. Agree that pga has too many events. Diluted fields creates uninteresting events.
Fenway wants ROI, which is only possible with team and world golf which LIV has a lock on. Pgatour only has t.v. rights deal which is until 2030 already. Fans and sponsors wont tolerate any more increase in costs.
Hey guys I have this great idea I think that they should have a golf course built in Antarctica and get the players to wear their favourite furry costumes during the tournament. That will fix golf ball rollback. And grow the game 🤟😊
Thanks. The 501(c)(6) is formed is typical for payroll and lobbyists. Not the reason the PGAT is using it. They have donated anywhere from 3.5% to 13.5% to charity. Do the math. Since formed, PGAT has donated 3.5 billion total. What did the PGAT have to make to give that amount? 23, 24 billion?
Do you guys think the PGA and the power behind the scenes have been stalling the deal? And because of this now they have Rahm and the latest guy, Hatten, to flex the LIV muscle. A nice way of prompting the PGA to play ball or golf!
Yea. And now they probably thing 3$ billion gives them Flex and will stall more but they don’t realize no matter how much they get Pif can just double it and wait twice as long for a return.
Fenway Guys want ROI ... Without + cash coming in ... Fenway is out ... This deal like LIV is going to be a building process and PROFIT will be down the road ( So to speak ) ...PIF will be the only investor with power ... Fenway would like to have power but the guy with the most money invested gets the power ....
Looking forward to the first LIV event. Please get some decent commentators. I can handle Feherty, but the others are bloody awful including the poor on course commentators. The product deserves a quality commentary team. I would prefer Phil commentates tbh, now that would be entertaining. Looking forward to the Adelaide LIV event in my hometown in April. Two weeks after the Masters, gonna be good.
Can’t recall EVER hearing about a CEO who took a stress leave during an industry / company meltdown… I surmise: Jay is a total silver spoon flake who never experienced a ‘tough’ time
The whole start of this show revolved around one realization: the PGA Tour stinks. Arrogant, disingenuous, duplicitous….Phil was right. Sadly because we golf fans believed something that wasn’t true. Was it ever true? We hope so. And we want to believe in the Augusta that Jones built - and we’ll be paying attention.
Who would want Governor Lepetomane.. Sorry.. "Jay Monahan" there 😂 The guy plays a useless Mel Brooks "Boss" character better than Mel Brooks can!!. 😆 I hope there's a paddle ball he can play with, it will keep him entertained while the men talk 😂😂
This show has become Jay bashing mixed with arrogance and a huge helping of ignorance. You guys were way off on many topics after the announcement with SSG. Maybe start a NewCo channel or guessingmanshow 🤷🏻♂
Cam, thank you for tuning in. Why so snarky? It's ok to debate and disagree. Ignorance? We are not aware that people announce what they're going to do before they do it; so we analyze and predict. Jay and the PGAT kept The Framework Agreement secret from their own player members however we predicted a JV as early as Dec 10, 2022 (show: th-cam.com/video/3Jxd_l0nBb8/w-d-xo.html). We have always said that SSG was going to happen as it makes sense for multiple reasons. We say that in this current show and please go back and watch any previous show for that analysis. Jay "bashing". Jay is incompetent as a CEO and should be fired. Many PGAT players agree with us. We said in July 2023 that Tiger joined the Board to kill the Deal with PIF (show: th-cam.com/video/jClZ_y0TFs8/w-d-xo.html). Perhaps Tiger and his team are having more success than we anticipated. We'll see over time. The situation is constantly changing. BTeam has said that a deal with PIF will happen and that SSG wants their capital protected by deep pocket PIF rather than the opposite where PIF funds LIV for as long as they care to and continues to take players; especially top amateurs who can choose between the PGA Tour minor league (not signature event status) or a LIV contract with signing bonus and mentoring from Major winners and teammates.
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Enjoyed the chat as always. A couple of comments - large numbers of top sportsman across the world love playing golf. Fenway are a multi-sports organisation, can you imagine the power of a Liverpool player or Red Sox hero pushing the enjoyment of Golf - thats massive compared with old pictures of Jack, Arnold and Gary....PIF? Limited..
Forget money, gender or majors - watch the last 4 holes of the LPGA tournament at the weekend - good, bad, ugly, magnificent - that's what get us excited because WE mainly watch golf.....
Yep great finish.
I love the LPGA...
PIF also owns sporting teams around the world
Can the corrupt OWGR board be fired?
Refreshing golf content. Keep up the good work.
Thx Roy. Will do.
Well, we know how much money impresses you, so here's an update. PGA is taking a 3bil investment, a billion more than PIF gave to LIV. A LIV/PGA deal is unlikely.
and?
@@1362pcAnd PIF is out, Fenway is in. PIF spends $2 billion on a product nobody watches or cares about. Where is PIF’s revenue. What business wants to piss money down the drain? One that has a CEO that wants to destroy the game maybe?
Hatton when he gets cranky is hilarious to watch
True.
Really looking forward to him on the personality tour.
@@ThinkingManShowso appreciate your insight. A couple questions if I may. It seems you are pro LIV and anti-PGA Tour. That’s fine, your opinion. But a question for you then.
Is it Greg’s goal to destroy the PGA TOUR entirely? It seems so. I mean if you basically take 40 out of the best 50 golfers to LIV than PGAT is dead. But are there enough people that care about LIV to watch or to get corporate sponsors? I don’t know any 50-75 year olds that watch LIV. Twenty somethings don’t watch TV golf. Team golf will never work. 54 hole shotguns will never appeal to golf fans. So what is the end game? Destroy the PGA TOUR and have no interest in the game. That’s what I think would happen. How does LIV make money. And nobody is gonna watch the PGAT For Blander Xander and Cantlay. I just don’t see the end game. Maybe I’m missing something.Would love to hear your opinion.
That's a big topic Mac. Here's a quick reply:
Norman has said without deviation for the past 30 years his goal is a "world super tour" where only the best play against each other in a limited number of events. The best from any tour, anywhere. This super tour would not replace a player's home tour but rather have a place along side it.
PGA Tour audience is shrinking due to demographics and the rise of digital media among younger generations. Younger people play video games on their phones, tablets and game consoles with much of their leisure time. When not on video games, they are on TH-cam, Netflix, Amazon Prime and other streaming options. Live sports is no longer a first or even second choice for many. This drains audience from all sports but golf as a much smaller sport is particularly vulnerable. Soccer is one bright spot where youth still play and therefore watch pro teams - hence the massive Saudi investment in pro soccer. Pro golf needs a global fan base and a format that appeals to younger audiences. Not an easy task but necessary. In addition to being a "super tour" in concept, LIV is experimenting trial and error with how to engage younger potential fans around the world.
We don't believe the goal of PIF via LIV Golf is to takeover pro golf. Quite the opposite. The PIF wants to join the pro golf system but sees that the current PGA Tour is not nearly global enough for the PIF to accomplish it's economic goals therefore they want to expand pro golf outside the US using LIV as that vehicle. What are the Saudi goals then: to move the Saudi economy and culture closer to The West and get more access to better investment deals via corporate connections gained through the pro golf "ecosystem". Golf has a unique and prominent place in the corporate world and PIF as a venture capital entity wants more access to that network of business elites.
@@ThinkingManShow I appreciate your opinions and I agree with many of your points on golf aging out and getting younger viewers. But if so, why didn’t golf/LIV take off on TH-cam then. And I think Norman yes has wanted a world tour for 30 years and is still bitter that Jack and Arnie told him forget it. Global schmobal, I’ve had that word shoved down my throat for 30 years in business. I’m in a 20 person golf league, not one person watches LIV. Paul McGinley said nobody in Ireland watches LIV. If two tours coexist, so be it. Tiger wants his legacy PGA. Tiger still has power. Greg is not well liked. By anybody. The Saudis of course want to get in with American business. It sounds like SSG said no. It’s obviously gotten petty and ugly. Taking Rahm was dirty pool. Tbh, I ain’t got much time left. I want to watch good golf on history venues not in Dubai or Japan. Let these fidget spinner kids figure out golf media when I’m dead. Cause they are not watching now. 40% of college graduates live at home in mommy’s basement watching Netflix and getting high. Not my problem. Get a job and pay for cable like everyone else.
PGA admin talent is busy, Jay's time is expendable, and he needs to memorize the faces of his new overlords. There's no telling when one of them might stop by at PGA HQ later in the year.
At least Jay didn’t leave the meeting inside of a suitcase.
With Jay and Yassir, it feels like two foxes shaking hands about how they’re gonna guard the hen house. They’re shaking hands but don’t trust each other at all. Agree that pga has too many events. Diluted fields creates uninteresting events.
True.
Nuts, I was hoping the PGA Tour would implode just for the memes
Ah well
hey boys, the sun goes towards your faces when you do one of these
But then you have sun in your eyes
Super windy day out there. Had to be shot the angle it was.
Good point but Dr. DARK Star is obscured for branding purposes.
Fenway wants ROI, which is only possible with team and world golf which LIV has a lock on. Pgatour only has t.v. rights deal which is until 2030 already. Fans and sponsors wont tolerate any more increase in costs.
How many of the very best players in the world does LIV have on their tour?
The majority of them…
It’s getting hard to keep track. A lot.
We're talking 700 Billion! That's pushing a Trillion dollars.
Hey guys I have this great idea I think that they should have a golf course built in Antarctica and get the players to wear their favourite furry costumes during the tournament.
That will fix golf ball rollback.
And grow the game 🤟😊
P.s and keep the players warm 😊
Fire Jay and start with someone with intellect.
I couldn’t agree more - Jay Monahan is a moron!
Maybe Jay can look after the US Tour
The New Co boss must have global vison....i.e how does New Co grow golf globally and make say $300 million profit/year
Thanks.
The 501(c)(6) is formed is typical for payroll and lobbyists. Not the reason the PGAT is using it. They have donated anywhere from 3.5% to 13.5% to charity. Do the math. Since formed, PGAT has donated 3.5 billion total. What did the PGAT have to make to give that amount? 23, 24 billion?
Perhaps to pick up the golden parachute suitcase of cash
Do a show on how NewCo will spend $2-3 billion.
One thing is clear, all the best players will play together in elite tourneys from say Feb 2025, plus the 4 majors..
Stop all the supposition!!!!!!!! Go get facts!!!!!!!! Get interviews this is a joke.
Oh........Just ask Jay - the guy who kept The Framework hidden from even his own tour members and player policy board directors.
Hatton is a maniac, which is great for golf fans
Imagine Jay meeting MBS? ha ha
Now there’s a reason to call in sick for a break down.
Do you guys think the PGA and the power behind the scenes have been stalling the deal? And because of this now they have Rahm and the latest guy, Hatten, to flex the LIV muscle. A nice way of prompting the PGA to play ball or golf!
Yea. And now they probably thing 3$ billion gives them Flex and will stall more but they don’t realize no matter how much they get Pif can just double it and wait twice as long for a return.
Fenway Guys want ROI ... Without + cash coming in ... Fenway is out ... This deal like LIV is going to be a building process and PROFIT will be down the road ( So to speak ) ...PIF will be the only investor with power ... Fenway would like to have power but the guy with the most money invested gets the power ....
PIF is a long term investor...ROI is down the road
Thanks guys. And yes the Farmers was a joke. On a side note, the LPGA had an awesome finish this past weekend.
LPGA is good viewing
Agree LPGA was great this weekend, 17th Lydia hits a candidate for shot of the year, 18th Nelly, "hold my beer"
Maybe Jay stays and they are trying to build up his status?
Waiting for the press release "Jay has decided to leave and pursue new opportunities ...'
and spend more time with family.....His $17 million in 2022 is crazy
Looking forward to the first LIV event. Please get some decent commentators. I can handle Feherty, but the others are bloody awful including the poor on course commentators. The product deserves a quality commentary team. I would prefer Phil commentates tbh, now that would be entertaining. Looking forward to the Adelaide LIV event in my hometown in April. Two weeks after the Masters, gonna be good.
I expect you to be out there on wednesday when the worlds most interesting angry golfer and Adrian Meronk will be presented as new members of liv 😉
Golf needs a real season for the elite....say Feb to Sept.
Jay went there to try and get a job from the Saudis. Get rid of that bum Monaghan.
Who will run New Co?
No offense to Jay, he's done well for himself, but global golf needs a heavyweight operator who's widely trusted and respected.
A smart guy who with global business acumen.....certainly not an ex Tour pro
@@1362pc 100%
Is that unfair to have Rahm and Hatten together on the same team?
I don’t see them as the favorites.
Each team can have who they can get..
Who are the other two
And rahm worked hard to get hatton in.
@@oahujuniorgolfassociationc6656 Good job Rahm!
Can’t recall EVER hearing about a CEO who took a stress leave during an industry / company meltdown… I surmise: Jay is a total silver spoon flake who never experienced a ‘tough’ time
He made some critical mistakes..life bans for LIV players..corrupting the OWGR board..zero integrity
Nah he gave himself a 5 week paid vacation while increasing his salary 33% and called it a "sick leave"
The whole start of this show revolved around one realization: the PGA Tour stinks. Arrogant, disingenuous, duplicitous….Phil was right. Sadly because we golf fans believed something that wasn’t true. Was it ever true? We hope so.
And we want to believe in the Augusta that Jones built - and we’ll be paying attention.
Terrell Hatton?
Who would want Governor Lepetomane.. Sorry.. "Jay Monahan" there 😂 The guy plays a useless Mel Brooks "Boss" character better than Mel Brooks can!!. 😆
I hope there's a paddle ball he can play with, it will keep him entertained while the men talk 😂😂
monkey wrench in the works.
This show has become Jay bashing mixed with arrogance and a huge helping of ignorance. You guys were way off on many topics after the announcement with SSG. Maybe start a NewCo channel or guessingmanshow 🤷🏻♂
Cam, thank you for tuning in. Why so snarky? It's ok to debate and disagree.
Ignorance? We are not aware that people announce what they're going to do before they do it; so we analyze and predict. Jay and the PGAT kept The Framework Agreement secret from their own player members however we predicted a JV as early as Dec 10, 2022 (show: th-cam.com/video/3Jxd_l0nBb8/w-d-xo.html).
We have always said that SSG was going to happen as it makes sense for multiple reasons. We say that in this current show and please go back and watch any previous show for that analysis.
Jay "bashing". Jay is incompetent as a CEO and should be fired. Many PGAT players agree with us.
We said in July 2023 that Tiger joined the Board to kill the Deal with PIF (show: th-cam.com/video/jClZ_y0TFs8/w-d-xo.html). Perhaps Tiger and his team are having more success than we anticipated. We'll see over time. The situation is constantly changing.
BTeam has said that a deal with PIF will happen and that SSG wants their capital protected by deep pocket PIF rather than the opposite where PIF funds LIV for as long as they care to and continues to take players; especially top amateurs who can choose between the PGA Tour minor league (not signature event status) or a LIV contract with signing bonus and mentoring from Major winners and teammates.
I really like the space you two guys have created. I love the fact that you are not cut from the mainstream sports media. Good on you both! 😊