This sort of A/B root install system is how we have been doing the OS installs on embedded Linux hardware such as Netgear Routers etc. since the 90s. Its not a new idea. But it has big limitations compared to ostree.
Thank you for the detailed analysis( as usual! ). Thought of taking a look at VanillaOS , but I just might give it a bit more time to mature before trying it out.
I've only heard of this A/B partition for android devices. Never considered its utility for Linux Desktop. It seems this partition style could prove to be useful for new Linux users who may run into trouble with their install later down the line.
Thanks for this review DJ. So, if you install an app using APX, are you only able to run those apps in apx_managed mode? Or can you run them normally after you reboot?
does vanilla create containers automatically or we have to create containers on our own as you did i am a beginner want to try this os is it better than nitrux os and will you please make video on how to set up kvm qemu on vanilla os
Just curious why? I usually don't put an untested OS or distro on baremetal hardware just in case....I always test on a VM first. My other problem is I have shed most of the x86_64 platform because of the energy they use, I still have three which are tied up doing stuff (they are mobile versions) the main machine I used to use consume more electricity than the 18 arm SBC's I use, so kinda don't want to use it much.
@@CyberGizmo Hi, DJ Ware, thank you for your attention. Regarding my comment, it would be really nice if a Linux distro could be tested on real hardware. However, it might not always be the case. And on your part, you are testing only on features associated with the distro that's not tied to computer hardware. The energy usage might be negligible on low-powered systems since powering them just for testing is only spending a minimal power usage. The curiosity on my part is that if a Linux distro will be tested for example, on audio related work, for example, video editing (the need for discrete GPU), and the likes. You get the point. If you know someone who is doing this, much appreciated if you have the link. Have a nice day!!!
I think there are a few issues to be fixed when installing regular packages to the baseline, it completely failed on me to do a system update, but I could have been doing it wrong
well that was a huge waste of time! you can only wipe the whole disk when installing, there is no option to just install to a partition. Are you kidding me?
This sort of A/B root install system is how we have been doing the OS installs on embedded Linux hardware such as Netgear Routers etc. since the 90s. Its not a new idea. But it has big limitations compared to ostree.
we used a OS drive mirror on the production machines, and did the AB root on our test machines
Can you elaborate on what limitations it has?
I want to thank you for all the knowledge sharing you do on this channel.
Looks like apx is a wrapper for distrobox. OpenSuse micro os desktop uses distrobox by default while fedora kiniote/silver uses toolbox
yes it is
Thank you for the detailed analysis( as usual! ). Thought of taking a look at VanillaOS , but I just might give it a bit more time to mature before trying it out.
I've only heard of this A/B partition for android devices. Never considered its utility for Linux Desktop. It seems this partition style could prove to be useful for new Linux users who may run into trouble with their install later down the line.
I used CoreOS with great satisfaction in production before Red Hat acquisition 😁
Now I’m looking at Flatcar Linux.
I love seeing more options in the immutable space, but dang is that a chunky partition!
yeah, doesnt bother me for a dev environment, but test could be a bit of a problem - talking about integration test, not the formal test environment
Thanks for this review DJ. So, if you install an app using APX, are you only able to run those apps in apx_managed mode? Or can you run them normally after you reboot?
only in apx_managed mode but I did notice I can use apx to installs apps in the normal mode (at least I got it to work once)
On the rollback, you seem to be wrong-as one can use TimeShift to rollback only the OS.
Not wrong, you can direct timeshift to include your home directory in the schedule
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does vanilla create containers automatically or we have to create containers on our own as you did i am a beginner want to try this os is it better than nitrux os and will you please make video on how to set up kvm qemu on vanilla os
How different is this from lxc containers, automated with scripts different?
That might take a video to explain @PavelSayekat will look into doing it see if I can explain it
Much appreciate if distro reviews be done on bare metal and not on a VM. 😃
Just curious why? I usually don't put an untested OS or distro on baremetal hardware just in case....I always test on a VM first. My other problem is I have shed most of the x86_64 platform because of the energy they use, I still have three which are tied up doing stuff (they are mobile versions) the main machine I used to use consume more electricity than the 18 arm SBC's I use, so kinda don't want to use it much.
@@CyberGizmo Hi, DJ Ware, thank you for your attention. Regarding my comment, it would be really nice if a Linux distro could be tested on real hardware. However, it might not always be the case. And on your part, you are testing only on features associated with the distro that's not tied to computer hardware.
The energy usage might be negligible on low-powered systems since powering them just for testing is only spending a minimal power usage.
The curiosity on my part is that if a Linux distro will be tested for example, on audio related work, for example, video editing (the need for discrete GPU), and the likes. You get the point. If you know someone who is doing this, much appreciated if you have the link.
Have a nice day!!!
I tried vanilla os and love it but I don't get it how some things work I tried to install wallset but got not to work
I think there are a few issues to be fixed when installing regular packages to the baseline, it completely failed on me to do a system update, but I could have been doing it wrong
@@CyberGizmo the same goes for my I think I do something rong
How does this compare with QEMU-KVM
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VanillaOS will be switching to being based off Debian Sid.
Use the word "immutable" and you'll get dummies thinking it's as cool as functional programming.
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well that was a huge waste of time! you can only wipe the whole disk when installing, there is no option to just install to a partition. Are you kidding me?