wtf is immutable os LOL😂 and why? Why do you need linux, when there's the best OS called Windows 11 Pro?😂 you can ignore this message, you never have strong arguments 😅
I always assumed it was called Vanilla because its a standard base that you can build something more interesting and customized on top of (using their vib image builder tool).
Its rare that a new distro actually feels like bringing something new to the table rather than forking an already existing distro while changing one weird thing and slapping on a custom theme. This might be my next distro hop.
@@rj7250a Yes, but they also don't allow access to anything in / other than /usr so you cannot bork something by editing files in /etc just to add a startup script.
@@rj7250aTimeshift can and has broken. My Arch-based setups had Timeshift Autosnap. I have had cases where it broke either by my own fault (deleting old timeshift before confirming everything is fine), just over time (some updates are problematic and doesn't immediately break stuff), or just bypassed it altogether in the case of something more severe like the GRUB breakage. In the case of Atomic distro, if the update process fails or you didn't boot to the new image, you just... Don't get the update. You boot to the same old update. Plus, you can simply just make your own image, shifting risks to a simple to setup github image builder repo.
My mom is a 60-year old elementary school teacher and she as been using Linux for now than a decade. Moved from Mint to openSUSE. She likes the idea of Vanilla as she is so nagged about updates and wants to do her activities in peace, so this new edition seems to be perfect.
He's not wrong though, because running something in a VM doesn't exactly replicate real-world experiences and can hide things that wouldn't be apparent to people planning on installing it on hardware (the Nvidia X11 thing, for example). Like when I'm testing out new distros or configs, I have an oldish HP 14 laptop that I install it on to see how it works with real-world hardware, for example.
Don't underestimate creature comfort features. Just because I can do stuff by hand doesn't mean I don't appreciate the handholding some distros offer. Back when I started on Linux in 1998, I had a book and several hours to tinker. Now I have stuff to do and little time. So I'm fine using Mint as my daily driver, it does all I need without getting in the way.
I tend to agree. It's been 14 years I use linux, I'm still running on ubuntu like a n00b for the everyday tasks😂 And running docker containers for serious stuff (development go/js/php/python/c++/CUDA)
100% agree -- as someone with ADHD, on a good day I have enough emotional regulation and cognitive flexibility to research and puzzle my way through some arcane technology problem. Hyperfixation might even help on such occasions. But on a bad day, frustration will easily get the better of me. So my daily driver needs to be a nice, difficult-to-break distro that holds my hand a little.
Universal Blue project looks more promising honestly (Aurora & Bazzite distros). Not only does it have KDE and is more popular, but it is also directly based on Fedora Atomic. Meaning if the project gets abandoned you can just rebase your system onto Fedora and drop the Aurora/Bazzite changes without having to reinstall your OS. This is very valuable when it comes to these "small team of volunteers" projects. Still, as someone who loves immutable systems I want VanillaOS to succeed.
I'm new to Linux and use Ubuntu on my laptop. Id love to just install everything even android apps without all the work around. I do understand why it works like this but I'm hoping one day it is easier and we could install anything without all the work around. I am just a consumer of Linux, I don't use it for coding or anything like that. I am a half convert from windows. I feel that if there were a distro that would, out of the box, would just install anything without the extra steps Linux would grow and become a great OS that could really contend with mac and windows. I'm sorry if this doesn't make sense I just know that windows converts sometimes run into these issues. I myself like to tinker and will give anything a try. I'm just speaking for those out there that just want out of the box ease. I could have easily been someone like that.
Have you looked into Bazzite yet? It has a similar paradigm to this distro, but also it's pre-configured for everyday use. I have been running it rather smoothly for the last few months.
That‘s just irresponsible. What are you going to do if the 4 people this project relies on to exist get hit by a bus? Transition your customer machines to Debian Sid which this is based on? Or what if they do poor quality control? You have no control over when updates are pushed to customers, wouldn’t you want to internally test updates before pushing them to customers? Just built your own OCI images at GitHub based on an actual stable distribution channel like fedora. Ublue for example has templates that you can easily adjust, add your own apps to and actually test before pushing them to customers. I’d use use the oldstable Fedora(current version - 1), that still gets security fixes but has all actual bugs fixed and will give you a smooth transition to newer versions. You also get to pick the desktop environment. I wouldn’t choose gnome, your customers will pimp it via extensions to get a desktop they are used to and yell at you when the extensions break due to updates, which they will. Here: github.com/ublue-os/image-template
Curious, why this and not, say, Bluefin or Endless OS which are more established? I do know VanillaOS has a company backing it, but I am not aware of any support process/plan yet.
@@ferdievanschalkwyk1669 Hm, to be honest, I was interested a bit when I heard they switched to Debian, but in the end it was a staggered Debian Sid, ala Manjaro with Arch, so it feels like a weird middle ground between Ubuntu and actual Debian.
Basically it's like how the Android seamless updates work. And you do have a gen z audience here, but you didn't had to do the tiktok style of 2 videos thingy 😂, my attention span is not as broken as anyone else is!
the way VanillaOS is right now, i feel like it'd be a fantastic tool for linux courses or sysadmin degrees to teach their students how different package managers work
Aside from a minor gotcha this has been my favorite district so far. (there’s basically a three stage installer, so you’ll end up selecting your language and keyboard layout three times for some reason. It looks like you’re done setting it up after the second stage, but it’s a false summit. Do the last set up wizard, and then you’re done.) I fully didn’t expect this to work on my especially picky, old laptop, but it’s going strong! Added bonus, my laptop finally doesn’t sound like it’s trying to take off at all times, only sometimes. It’s fantastic.
Fooled me. I thought Vanilla OS 2 was OS/2. Nope. I loved OS/2 back in the day, solid and very very stable. Still have the disks and manuals, including OS/2 certifed (which I was on workstation and server). Like everything else, it got MicroSquished. Gates did it in. Hated him for that AND his prior MicroSquishing of everything else.
Vanilla OS reminds me of Qubes OS, just with containers instead of xen virtual machines, and with a nicer GUI but less control. As you said, this isn't fit for a beginner, but seems like a good introduction to compartmentalization that a techy user would find nice, while Qubes OS brings a lot more control but also a few more struggles depending how you look at it.
Vanilla Os is for Debian like Bluefin is for Fedora🙂 I been using Bluefin since the beginning of this year, very cool project, most rock solid experience that I have on Linux so far, i think that “atomic” type of distros are the future of Linux.
Been the same on the Bazzite side of things. The same team is behind Bluefin and they share a lot in common. I'm sold on atomic/immutable now that things like distrobox and apx exist
This is a good approach, even though using Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite you can do A/B/C/D/E/F/G/... etc, Because you can always pin the deployments you want/need to keep.
MS Office using Waydroid seems like a good proposition. I wished you would have included it here. (I know it is not the real motive of this video, but you were showing some android apps, so why not.)
I actually think that VanillaOS is a worthy consideration for new Linux users and non-tech-savvy individuals (especially for users with basic needs who can live completely off of the web browser, Flatpaks, and Android APKs). The "smart updates" feature strikes me as a big selling point for regular users who dont want to deal with managing system updates themselves (but also don't want to be interrupted by automatic updates [yes, I know offline updates exist, but they are still an inferior solution]), and the A/B partition scheme is a simple but fantastic way to ensure that a broken update doesn't leave them stranded (as long as it's easy/intuitive to boot into the inactive slot). VanillaOS is exactly the kind of distro I'd want to put on our family computer, so if it turns out to be as solid as I hope it is, that might be what I do when Windows 10 gets discontinued.
Exactly why I'm considering using one such distro for my 67-yr old mother's PC. She would only use it for stuff like Facebook, TH-cam, internet and movies, stuff that Flathub covers just fine and there's much less chance for her to break something on an immutable distro, not to mention ease of maintenance...
Just gave a look at it myself on this old laptop I repaired for better or for worse, I loved its first impressions, theres a couple issues searching for locales but other than that the fact you can choose what apps are installed is a huge plus for this sort of OS, and it installs like Id expect I would install chromeos (Ive never done it but nearly that polished). That update system is awesome, Id replace Timeshift for that
As a dev who relies almost exclusively on docker running on ubuntu for all my projects, I think I'll try this vanilla OS2. Only the part about nvidia worries me, not for the 3D stuff (I always buy a CPU with a integrated graphic card) but for the CUDA
Thank you for this video! I didn't grasp the idea of immutable distros at first, but now I can at least have some basic understanding of it. Aaaaand I immediately know, that for now it is NOT for me 😂
I'm thinking about switching to it, I use Fedora 40 and I develop sometimes, so it would be a good idea. Waydroid is also nice because I could probably return to Roblox exploiting again. Looks like it meets my needs anyways. If I can run VSCode, GNOME Boxes, Syncthing, Armcord or Vesktop, GNOME Builder, and other stuff that I use, then it works.
i wish we can also instal windows apps like the way we can with android, even tho it is understandable that android is linux under the hood, but having a graphical installer for windows apps and maybe games ( which are on CD and not steam ) will be great and defintely increase the linux users as they can run there favorite app from linux as well also love the idea of apx now i can run kali tools and do some pentesting from a daily drive OS
I like the way Windows 11 apples the updates on new laptop computers. It detects the usage hours (you can set it manually) and then as soon as you close the lid of the laptop the PC doesn't suspend, but it installs the updates. For example, when I close the laptop and go to sleep, (while on power) the laptop applies the updates and reboots finishes the update and suspends. The next day it's ready to use, I don't remember the last time I manually installed an update.
@retrocomputing I personally was never elected. I don't run programs in kernel mode. Besides that, Linux was elected too, a few months back. It's not a competition. Microsoft applies automatically the updates after they've been tested by a lot of enthusiasts. I am not one of them anymore. But the stability is very good lately. They focus so much on AI(witch we don't get in EU), so they leave the os nice and stable :)
@@godtable it's Microsoft who pushed the crowdstrike update. They hadn't tested it. I also had a couple of updates that bricked a windows PC, it depended on hardware.
@@nukblack6509 Actually not. That's the interesting part. My computer (about 10 years old) is very modern with all its specs, but it seems that my motherboard is kind of outdated.
"Cowardice is our way" Reminds me of that time when a Google search for "French military victories" resulted in the suggestion "Did you mean French military defeats?"
Thanks Nick to keep us up to date. A really interesting distro. I run everything on my Tuxedo computers, me but he is really testing out how much we follow and listening as he uses the Slimbook as testbed for Vanilla OS 2.0.
Thanks for doing this video Nick! I don't use/need an immutable distro myself, but I've been following VanillaOS closely for the last 2 years as I think it's a good project to have around for those that need what they offer. Great video mate, keep up the great work and kudos to all the VanillaOS devs and volunteers for making this a reality and wish you all the best in the future!!!
I guess OpenSUSE erasure is real... Tinfoil hat off, Vanilla looks really good! I disagree with one thing tho., imo immutable linux distributions are even better for unsophisticated linux users than for advanced ones, simply because of how much they reduce the odds of the user breaking things. Of course there is a spectrum, and I 100% agree BlendOS is sort of "for advanced users only", but Vanilla and Aeon and EasyOS are perfectly usable without even knowing what Linux is. After all, that is the whole idea behind Immutable OSs, just take the OS out from the equation, which is why Chrome OS and the Steam Deck can be shipped *en masse* being sold to end users.
This is very interesting far most interesting Linux distro I've seen. I've watched many and stuck with pop os and use arch but this is super cool. I'm gonna try to make it my daily.
Hm.. looks definitely interesting. Disqualifies itself for me by using gnome, but I'll definitely keep an eye on it to see how it progresses and what might come from it. Really enjoy these distros that try to do something new or polish up existing concepts to the next level.
I'm a happy user of Debian stable, the only time it's given me grief was after I accidentally turned off my laptop halfway through an apt full-upgrade. That was entirely my fault of course, but it did make me more interested in immutable distros with an A/B partition system. Vanilla OS 2 seems like a good one to try, so thanks for making a video on it :)
3:26 That's what I tell myself is the reason why I play Genshin, but I think I'm just in love with the looks (looks at my hundreds of screenshots in two months) and a bit interested in the plot XD
Wow: I thought I had a great idea for a distro. I jotted down things to do with A-B immutable, security, DE / UI, UX standards, package management etc. It seems like Vanilla have done half of it already ! I would like to see this with Cosmic desktop in the future as it matures. It seems there is no ARM arch available at the moment. With ARM desktops & laptops coming down the line it would be good to see ARM arch supported. Things are heading in the right direction on Linux thanks to Vanilla. I will be having a look at this soon. Thanks for the video Nick.
What I think is that immutable distributions are a great idea that is still in its infancy, so I will closely follow these projects for when they are working better, more stable, and easier than a traditional Linux system.
This looks extremely similar (but superior) to BlendOS v4 which came out a few months ago. BlendOS has a graphical way of managing containers and binary exports but not of installing stuff on them or exporting GUI apps. Besides that BlendOS has all of these features afaik.
The one thing I'd be worried about with the port/starboard partitioning (which is pretty clever) is if one an updated partition migrates config but is broken somehow and you roll back to an older OS that chokes on a migrated and now incompatible config.
hmmm... 🤔interesting. my only concern is a second system partition taking up extra hard drive space. from what I can see in this video, that was an extra 20gb of disk space and that's a very useful amount of space.
Modern Android devices use the A/B partition style of updates. It's not that hard to understand. Instead of updating over your current partition and bricking the device in case something fails (which happened a lot before A/B partitioning) it just updates on a separate partition, and once it checks everything is ok, you'll get into the new version once you reboot
Makes me wish I had a third machine to test this! Still haven't felt comfortable jumping to an immutable distro, and would love to be on Debian for third-party software support.
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wtf is immutable os LOL😂 and why? Why do you need linux, when there's the best OS called Windows 11 Pro?😂 you can ignore this message, you never have strong arguments 😅
Review carbonOS.
Kinda funny how the distro called Vanilla OS is one of the least vanilla distros.
Standard Ubuntu would probably be Vanilla from a pure popularity standpoint desktop-wise.
@@smashed_penguin it depends on what you consider vanilla, I would say that Debian or Fedora are more vanilla
@@smashed_penguinDebian is vanilla
Makes sense, vanilla combines favourable with almost any sweet taste.
I always assumed it was called Vanilla because its a standard base that you can build something more interesting and customized on top of (using their vib image builder tool).
Its rare that a new distro actually feels like bringing something new to the table rather than forking an already existing distro while changing one weird thing and slapping on a custom theme. This might be my next distro hop.
If you like vanilla os check out universal blue
Immutable distros are just a regular distro with Timeshift backups. Change my mind.
@@rj7250a Yes, but they also don't allow access to anything in / other than /usr so you cannot bork something by editing files in /etc just to add a startup script.
@@rj7250a If you're that braindead and delusional, there's literally nothing anybody can say to change your mind.
@@rj7250aTimeshift can and has broken. My Arch-based setups had Timeshift Autosnap. I have had cases where it broke either by my own fault (deleting old timeshift before confirming everything is fine), just over time (some updates are problematic and doesn't immediately break stuff), or just bypassed it altogether in the case of something more severe like the GRUB breakage.
In the case of Atomic distro, if the update process fails or you didn't boot to the new image, you just... Don't get the update. You boot to the same old update. Plus, you can simply just make your own image, shifting risks to a simple to setup github image builder repo.
They just announced they fixed the Nvidia issues.
Amazing timing 😂
Let's go
really
Nice!
Nvidia is still not supported in waydroid for hardware acceleration, so only most simple apps
Finally, a Linux distro with Linux subsystem for Linux
You can have it with distrobox on any distro, they added a front end which is extremely helpful
Turtle OS: Linux all the way down.
That's the best explanation of Vanilla OS so far
My mom is a 60-year old elementary school teacher and she as been using Linux for now than a decade. Moved from Mint to openSUSE. She likes the idea of Vanilla as she is so nagged about updates and wants to do her activities in peace, so this new edition seems to be perfect.
THIS is exactly why I prefer immutable distros with atomic updates.
Your mom is awesome!
7:30 the gen z joke really got me 😂
That Trackmania thing confused me for a second, but then I realized what you were doing and literally lolled. Thanks so much for that.
“Because running in a VM is for cowards” I’ve never laughed so hard. I need this on a shirt.
He's not wrong though, because running something in a VM doesn't exactly replicate real-world experiences and can hide things that wouldn't be apparent to people planning on installing it on hardware (the Nvidia X11 thing, for example).
Like when I'm testing out new distros or configs, I have an oldish HP 14 laptop that I install it on to see how it works with real-world hardware, for example.
@@Ebalosus true, sometimes the vm will be better supported (driver wise) than bare metal.
its not that funny you sperg
Real Men don't use VMs (perfect for tees)
Don't underestimate creature comfort features. Just because I can do stuff by hand doesn't mean I don't appreciate the handholding some distros offer. Back when I started on Linux in 1998, I had a book and several hours to tinker. Now I have stuff to do and little time. So I'm fine using Mint as my daily driver, it does all I need without getting in the way.
I tend to agree. It's been 14 years I use linux, I'm still running on ubuntu like a n00b for the everyday tasks😂
And running docker containers for serious stuff (development go/js/php/python/c++/CUDA)
100% agree -- as someone with ADHD, on a good day I have enough emotional regulation and cognitive flexibility to research and puzzle my way through some arcane technology problem. Hyperfixation might even help on such occasions. But on a bad day, frustration will easily get the better of me. So my daily driver needs to be a nice, difficult-to-break distro that holds my hand a little.
as a gen z, somehow i feel this already, messing around your system and then it broke is not fun at all, Mint is so wonderful
Thanks for covering, nice video 💛
Chat is this real
@@hdrtghkes 🤣🤣🤌
@@hdrtghkes it is real i fear
@vanillaos amazing project btw keep it up!!
Nice distro mates. I'll give it a shot when I am no longer a noob and understand the intricacies of the distro.
Universal Blue project looks more promising honestly (Aurora & Bazzite distros). Not only does it have KDE and is more popular, but it is also directly based on Fedora Atomic. Meaning if the project gets abandoned you can just rebase your system onto Fedora and drop the Aurora/Bazzite changes without having to reinstall your OS. This is very valuable when it comes to these "small team of volunteers" projects.
Still, as someone who loves immutable systems I want VanillaOS to succeed.
Don't forget to mention Bluefin, as is a really important part of Ublue that led to the creation of Aurora itself.
@@Robotta my question is fedora vs debian here then, as the immutable bit is the same.
No honkai impact players were harmed while making of this video
i did not get the joke :(
@skelebro9999 it's a mobile gotcha game
@@VektrumSimulacrum Gotcha, lol fitting
himeko was harmed
@@VektrumSimulacrum isn't it two games? genshin and honkai star wars or something
Vanilla OS 2.0 is practically a different distro compared to 22.10 with the amount of changes and improvements it has lol
Damn, confirmed that Nick is a trackmaniac 7:38 lmao
it's really big in France (and a great game)
I'm new to Linux and use Ubuntu on my laptop. Id love to just install everything even android apps without all the work around. I do understand why it works like this but I'm hoping one day it is easier and we could install anything without all the work around. I am just a consumer of Linux, I don't use it for coding or anything like that. I am a half convert from windows. I feel that if there were a distro that would, out of the box, would just install anything without the extra steps Linux would grow and become a great OS that could really contend with mac and windows. I'm sorry if this doesn't make sense I just know that windows converts sometimes run into these issues. I myself like to tinker and will give anything a try. I'm just speaking for those out there that just want out of the box ease. I could have easily been someone like that.
Have you looked into Bazzite yet? It has a similar paradigm to this distro, but also it's pre-configured for everyday use. I have been running it rather smoothly for the last few months.
We are seriously considering this as our standard customer Linux Desktop OS for our MSP business
That‘s just irresponsible. What are you going to do if the 4 people this project relies on to exist get hit by a bus? Transition your customer machines to Debian Sid which this is based on? Or what if they do poor quality control? You have no control over when updates are pushed to customers, wouldn’t you want to internally test updates before pushing them to customers?
Just built your own OCI images at GitHub based on an actual stable distribution channel like fedora. Ublue for example has templates that you can easily adjust, add your own apps to and actually test before pushing them to customers. I’d use use the oldstable Fedora(current version - 1), that still gets security fixes but has all actual bugs fixed and will give you a smooth transition to newer versions. You also get to pick the desktop environment. I wouldn’t choose gnome, your customers will pimp it via extensions to get a desktop they are used to and yell at you when the extensions break due to updates, which they will.
Here: github.com/ublue-os/image-template
Curious, why this and not, say, Bluefin or Endless OS which are more established? I do know VanillaOS has a company backing it, but I am not aware of any support process/plan yet.
@@FengLengshun we prefer the Debian base, which is what we already use extensively on the server side.
@@ferdievanschalkwyk1669 Hm, to be honest, I was interested a bit when I heard they switched to Debian, but in the end it was a staggered Debian Sid, ala Manjaro with Arch, so it feels like a weird middle ground between Ubuntu and actual Debian.
Basically it's like how the Android seamless updates work. And you do have a gen z audience here, but you didn't had to do the tiktok style of 2 videos thingy 😂, my attention span is not as broken as anyone else is!
Same, I have "regular" ADHD not Massive Brainrot ADHD
@@cacomeat7385a short attention span or "brainrot" isn't ADHD
7:38 missed opportunity to include SuperTuxKart in the bottom video
the way VanillaOS is right now, i feel like it'd be a fantastic tool for linux courses or sysadmin degrees to teach their students how different package managers work
Aside from a minor gotcha this has been my favorite district so far. (there’s basically a three stage installer, so you’ll end up selecting your language and keyboard layout three times for some reason. It looks like you’re done setting it up after the second stage, but it’s a false summit. Do the last set up wizard, and then you’re done.) I fully didn’t expect this to work on my especially picky, old laptop, but it’s going strong! Added bonus, my laptop finally doesn’t sound like it’s trying to take off at all times, only sometimes. It’s fantastic.
You also have the installer crash on you for no reason before having to reopen it to get it to finish?
My weekend : (chuckles) I'm in danger
Oh wow. This is the first time in a really, really long time, that I actually consider adding another distribution to my setup.
"I know you'r playing this for the plot" La meilleure sortie de l'année :D, je ne vais pas m'en remettre !! Au top, comme d'hab ;)
Fooled me.
I thought Vanilla OS 2 was OS/2.
Nope.
I loved OS/2 back in the day, solid and very very stable. Still have the disks and manuals, including OS/2 certifed (which I was on workstation and server).
Like everything else, it got MicroSquished. Gates did it in. Hated him for that AND his prior MicroSquishing of everything else.
Vanilla OS reminds me of Qubes OS, just with containers instead of xen virtual machines, and with a nicer GUI but less control. As you said, this isn't fit for a beginner, but seems like a good introduction to compartmentalization that a techy user would find nice, while Qubes OS brings a lot more control but also a few more struggles depending how you look at it.
For a second, I thought OS/2 was coming back and that made me very happy 😌
Me too!
I understood that reference
-Captain America
me too. At first I thought, what does the OS/2 has f... to do with linux ?
7:38
This Millennial immediately got distracted. I watched it a few times and still missed everything
If you want to see another immutable distro. You should check out the Universal Blue project and their Bluefin Aurora and Bazzite spins
Vanilla Os is for Debian like Bluefin is for Fedora🙂 I been using Bluefin since the beginning of this year, very cool project, most rock solid experience that I have on Linux so far, i think that “atomic” type of distros are the future of Linux.
Been the same on the Bazzite side of things. The same team is behind Bluefin and they share a lot in common. I'm sold on atomic/immutable now that things like distrobox and apx exist
fedora vs debian (bluefin vs vanilla) ?
4:25 holy crap, that pun landed perfectly on my Polish sense of humor.
The entire point is the end user should not even think about the os and just use the app space like a bootlocked android.
It's a very impressive distro, really like their work
1:06 A / B partitioning while using BtrFs already!? Ooof ...
But while you're at it. Any chance we get a openSUSE Aeon or Kalpa video?
That confused me too. But then the current root fs needs to be mounted RO, and I don't think you can create a snapshot unless it's RW.
This is a good approach, even though using Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite you can do A/B/C/D/E/F/G/... etc, Because you can always pin the deployments you want/need to keep.
@@cavvieira Not all directories are RO, some are RO and others are RW (ex: "home" directory).
yeah, I believe they use LVM 5hin provisioning instead of BTRFS snaphots and subvolumes 🤷
@@themedlebI'm pretty sure home is in its own partition. Wouldn't make sense to have it in the same A/B scheme.
MS Office using Waydroid seems like a good proposition. I wished you would have included it here. (I know it is not the real motive of this video, but you were showing some android apps, so why not.)
Thanks for the video, I've been waiting for Vanilla OS 2. Now I have something to do this evening.
Congratulations: fastfetch just got new vanilla OS 2 logo for next releasing fastfetch
I still think immutable distros are best for businesses.
As a power user, I like that this is an option for certain installations, but not on my work / private machines. Tumbleweed FTW.
Fun Fact for whoever didn't know: this A/B system for updates is actually also used by Android for its system updates!
Holy Penguins!! Linux Subsystem within Linux? I didn't know this was a thing! 🐧
bro! lmao that "let me explain" part cracked me up.
7:40 had me laughing so hard lol 🤣🤣🤣
Vanilla OS is looking CLEAN
I'm gonna hop into this gateway distro to NixOS soon...
I actually think that VanillaOS is a worthy consideration for new Linux users and non-tech-savvy individuals (especially for users with basic needs who can live completely off of the web browser, Flatpaks, and Android APKs). The "smart updates" feature strikes me as a big selling point for regular users who dont want to deal with managing system updates themselves (but also don't want to be interrupted by automatic updates [yes, I know offline updates exist, but they are still an inferior solution]), and the A/B partition scheme is a simple but fantastic way to ensure that a broken update doesn't leave them stranded (as long as it's easy/intuitive to boot into the inactive slot).
VanillaOS is exactly the kind of distro I'd want to put on our family computer, so if it turns out to be as solid as I hope it is, that might be what I do when Windows 10 gets discontinued.
Exactly why I'm considering using one such distro for my 67-yr old mother's PC. She would only use it for stuff like Facebook, TH-cam, internet and movies, stuff that Flathub covers just fine and there's much less chance for her to break something on an immutable distro, not to mention ease of maintenance...
Looks like a brilliant system, considering the versatility 👍🏻
I may actually try this distro out. In theory the idea is fantastic.
Just gave a look at it myself on this old laptop I repaired for better or for worse, I loved its first impressions, theres a couple issues searching for locales but other than that the fact you can choose what apps are installed is a huge plus for this sort of OS, and it installs like Id expect I would install chromeos (Ive never done it but nearly that polished). That update system is awesome, Id replace Timeshift for that
Thanks for the video.
Vanilla OS just needs to be able to run a Windows container for Office 2019 and then I can convert my wife's PC to Linux.
As a dev who relies almost exclusively on docker running on ubuntu for all my projects, I think I'll try this vanilla OS2.
Only the part about nvidia worries me, not for the 3D stuff (I always buy a CPU with a integrated graphic card) but for the CUDA
Thank you for this video! I didn't grasp the idea of immutable distros at first, but now I can at least have some basic understanding of it.
Aaaaand I immediately know, that for now it is NOT for me 😂
I'm thinking about switching to it, I use Fedora 40 and I develop sometimes, so it would be a good idea.
Waydroid is also nice because I could probably return to Roblox exploiting again.
Looks like it meets my needs anyways. If I can run VSCode, GNOME Boxes, Syncthing, Armcord or Vesktop, GNOME Builder, and other stuff that I use, then it works.
I had a good laugh with this one, well done xD
Also why the neko pose at 7:57 ??????
What is a neko pose?
@@TheLinuxEXP You shall be cursed th-cam.com/video/W3yNvLwMRhs/w-d-xo.html
@@TheLinuxEXPCute Cat hands
Average Uwuntu user be like:
based Nick goated with the neko pose
i once asked for Riesling in a restaurant when I visited my friend in France :D Well, the waiter let's say was not very happy about that :D
i wish we can also instal windows apps like the way we can with android, even tho it is understandable that android is linux under the hood, but having a graphical installer for windows apps and maybe games ( which are on CD and not steam ) will be great and defintely increase the linux users as they can run there favorite app from linux as well
also love the idea of apx now i can run kali tools and do some pentesting from a daily drive OS
Grats to Mirko and Pietro and the rest of the Vanilla OS team 🙂. Wonderful people creating a wonderful distro
Is the nvidia 555 driver available in the repos? also can you force wayland if the latest nvidia driver is installed?
Last time i tried it, it literally could not install my wifi drivers, never looked into it. Currently running fedora kde 40. Happier than ever.
I like the way Windows 11 apples the updates on new laptop computers. It detects the usage hours (you can set it manually) and then as soon as you close the lid of the laptop the PC doesn't suspend, but it installs the updates. For example, when I close the laptop and go to sleep, (while on power) the laptop applies the updates and reboots finishes the update and suspends. The next day it's ready to use, I don't remember the last time I manually installed an update.
Yeah that worked great with crowdstrike
@retrocomputing I personally was never elected. I don't run programs in kernel mode. Besides that, Linux was elected too, a few months back. It's not a competition. Microsoft applies automatically the updates after they've been tested by a lot of enthusiasts. I am not one of them anymore. But the stability is very good lately. They focus so much on AI(witch we don't get in EU), so they leave the os nice and stable :)
@@godtable it's Microsoft who pushed the crowdstrike update. They hadn't tested it. I also had a couple of updates that bricked a windows PC, it depended on hardware.
Great video. As a Linux noob, I enjoyed learning about Vanilla OS. 😊
I would really like to switch to it, but it does not seem to support Legacy BIOS 😢
Hahaha legacy bios ? are you using a computer from stone age?
@@nukblack6509 a lot of people use linux to give their old hardware a new life you know that right?
@@nukblack6509 Actually not. That's the interesting part. My computer (about 10 years old) is very modern with all its specs, but it seems that my motherboard is kind of outdated.
@@jonaspucher4086modern and ten years old tech does not match.the best GPU was 780 or titan
Vanilla OS really sticks out in the distro forest. I really like what the Vanilla OS devs are doing
Might consider installing this, looks pretty cool
Looks like VanillaOS will be my recommendation to people. It looks amazing!
Thanks nick! Looks really great flexible and solid distro
"Cowardice is our way"
Reminds me of that time when a Google search for "French military victories" resulted in the suggestion "Did you mean French military defeats?"
Thanks Nick to keep us up to date. A really interesting distro. I run everything on my Tuxedo computers, me but he is really testing out how much we follow and listening as he uses the Slimbook as testbed for Vanilla OS 2.0.
Nick - the shade your through Gen Z and Gen A was savage - funny and True - but savage...
Thanks for doing this video Nick! I don't use/need an immutable distro myself, but I've been following VanillaOS closely for the last 2 years as I think it's a good project to have around for those that need what they offer. Great video mate, keep up the great work and kudos to all the VanillaOS devs and volunteers for making this a reality and wish you all the best in the future!!!
thanks for bringing Vanilla OS 2 Orchid to my attention.
I guess OpenSUSE erasure is real...
Tinfoil hat off, Vanilla looks really good! I disagree with one thing tho., imo immutable linux distributions are even better for unsophisticated linux users than for advanced ones, simply because of how much they reduce the odds of the user breaking things. Of course there is a spectrum, and I 100% agree BlendOS is sort of "for advanced users only", but Vanilla and Aeon and EasyOS are perfectly usable without even knowing what Linux is. After all, that is the whole idea behind Immutable OSs, just take the OS out from the equation, which is why Chrome OS and the Steam Deck can be shipped *en masse* being sold to end users.
Don't worry, I won't forget Napoleon 1 and 2.
But your tanks had mirrors, to see how the battlefield slowly got smaller 😂
Nice review 😇
This is very interesting far most interesting Linux distro I've seen. I've watched many and stuck with pop os and use arch but this is super cool. I'm gonna try to make it my daily.
That TrackMania joke almost had me in tears, good job.
Hm.. looks definitely interesting. Disqualifies itself for me by using gnome, but I'll definitely keep an eye on it to see how it progresses and what might come from it. Really enjoy these distros that try to do something new or polish up existing concepts to the next level.
I'm a happy user of Debian stable, the only time it's given me grief was after I accidentally turned off my laptop halfway through an apt full-upgrade. That was entirely my fault of course, but it did make me more interested in immutable distros with an A/B partition system. Vanilla OS 2 seems like a good one to try, so thanks for making a video on it :)
3:26 That's what I tell myself is the reason why I play Genshin, but I think I'm just in love with the looks (looks at my hundreds of screenshots in two months) and a bit interested in the plot XD
That gen alpha joke was hilarious 😂
Wow: I thought I had a great idea for a distro. I jotted down things to do with A-B immutable, security, DE / UI, UX standards, package management etc.
It seems like Vanilla have done half of it already !
I would like to see this with Cosmic desktop in the future as it matures.
It seems there is no ARM arch available at the moment. With ARM desktops & laptops coming down the line it would be good to see ARM arch supported.
Things are heading in the right direction on Linux thanks to Vanilla.
I will be having a look at this soon. Thanks for the video Nick.
Neat. I'll try it. Thank you.
What I think is that immutable distributions are a great idea that is still in its infancy, so I will closely follow these projects for when they are working better, more stable, and easier than a traditional Linux system.
This looks extremely similar (but superior) to BlendOS v4 which came out a few months ago. BlendOS has a graphical way of managing containers and binary exports but not of installing stuff on them or exporting GUI apps. Besides that BlendOS has all of these features afaik.
mad respect for the work they're doing on vanilla os
Excellent video 👍 Thank you 💜
Wow, this seems great, I'll try it out
It's really great! The issue however is the problem with VPNs like CloudFlare WARP.
I love the idea of Immutable distros; but there are few things I hate more than having to reboot 😓
As someone on the cusp of being Gen Z, the Trackmania clip was hilarious 😂 so accurate
The one thing I'd be worried about with the port/starboard partitioning (which is pretty clever) is if one an updated partition migrates config but is broken somehow and you roll back to an older OS that chokes on a migrated and now incompatible config.
hmmm... 🤔interesting. my only concern is a second system partition taking up extra hard drive space. from what I can see in this video, that was an extra 20gb of disk space and that's a very useful amount of space.
Modern Android devices use the A/B partition style of updates. It's not that hard to understand. Instead of updating over your current partition and bricking the device in case something fails (which happened a lot before A/B partitioning) it just updates on a separate partition, and once it checks everything is ok, you'll get into the new version once you reboot
Thanks for looking into this release, interesting, but I prefer a regular system with snapshots like Fedora on Btrfs with Snapper.
Makes me wish I had a third machine to test this! Still haven't felt comfortable jumping to an immutable distro, and would love to be on Debian for third-party software support.
I like the new kind of humor you're handling.
I absolutely died when the gaming footage showed up
I've been waiting for this release for a long time, thanks for the review 😎👍
Don't worry, I won't forget Napoleon 1 and 2
But your tanks had mirrors, to see how the bfield slowly got smaller 😂
Nice review 😇
Awesome video, thanks! If his distro gave us the option to use Plasma it would be amazing.
Nice video ! You should look at the blue-build project !