Technically they are related as siblings. They could have also been raised together the only difference compared from Orion and durge is that durge like to know the people he will kill. (That’s what I think)
@@varic4638 It's the other way around. You can find a book written by durge where they complain about Orin spending too much time on her kills when Bhaal wants quantity, not quality. While in another book by Orin she complains that durge just mindlessly slaughters and she thinks that each kill should be special.
Ironically, the Sceleritas Fel is the the most nicest companion you can have. He literally loves you for just being you end don't complains about everything you do. Even when you go on redeemed Durge route, he is still loyal to you. The only reason that he is mad of you in this route it because he mad of himself that he failed you to prepare for the fight and now.
I disagree. He never take redeemed durge seriously and think that in the end everything will be fine (durge accepting bhaal again). Even when you explicitly told him that you won’t kill anyone again, his response is “yeah sure, bet you will tho”. He’s basically delusional or won’t accept reality. After we beat orin, he immediately perma died so we won’t really know how he will react to a completely redeemed durge (the one without bhaal’s blood). To me he only loves the bhaalspawn aspect of durge.
The Honor Mode experience, haha. Wish I'd assumed she'd be able to fear/murder me in a single turn, and prepared accordingly. Certainly would've shapeshifted sooner.
I remember being able to resurrect Durge after dying to Orin, the battle continues just as it does in a Tav playthrough, with all of Orin's lackeys, and it acted like I won the duel.
Because I can't let myself purposefully lose against Orin, I've never seen this.... she died real fast to my Slayer.... she also died real fast to my redeemed urge sorc 😂 Thanks for posting!
@@kingofgrim4761 oh, I saved ALL defensive buffs I had on hand for it. Overloaded my sorc with them. Had to slip over to Shart (who had cast warding bond on me) outside of combat to revive and heal her before she died because she couldn't handle the damage that Orin was putting on me 🙃. I also made sure to really raise my initiative so I could go first, quicken spell first turn, potion of speed second turn, she was down turn 3. I misplayed a little though because I just completely forgot I had Markoheshkir equipped and could have cast a second 6th level spell 🙃
@@bunnyboygamille ah fair enough, I usually just cheese it by respec into heavy armor, wear armor of persistence (if I have dammon alive) and she can’t hurt me essentially
@@kingofgrim4761 that's also a valid strategy. I was trying to cheese my first run as little as possible. I only brought out barrels for the Inquisitor, Myrkul, and Lorroakan (not that he needs them, I just had a massive stockpile I wasn't going to use and thought it would be a fun diversion before facing off with Orin and the brain). I've also since then discovered that you can dump a spare cleric in camp with warding bond on and they just won't drop to saving throws and die until you return to camp.
@@bunnyboygamille hmm interesting. I’ve always heard Gale is the best warding bond cleric cause he heals himself. I never use that kinda stuff, just barrels or similar if I’m bored. I just know I cant beat Orin 1v1 without cheese or a paladin type build
honestly Sceleritas, despite being the butler to Bhallspawn is actually the only member of the Bhaal family that treats you with any respect or love, Orin is a sister who does not care for you and wishes you dead, your mother never loved you truly, and your father only loves your achievements, Sceleritas was like the nanny in those films where the children are so unloved that they begin to accept the nanny as a surrogate mother, its sad really, to see him go like this.
@@PapaHepatitis7170 well then thats why if you read my post. The durge had no REAL mother. They were created from baal and baal alone. Orin is NOT their sister. Orin came from sarevoks family.
@@ravenknight4195 Only if you go on to destroy the Netherbrain, since this destroys the tadpole protecting you from Bhaal. If you don't wish to go full evil at this point by controlling the brain, there is only one other way to escape... Uh...how to say this without the comment being deleted... "Take yourself out" on the dock when prompted. Though your story ends there, Withers will visit you in an after-life limbo to at least give you a quiet send-off befitting a hero.
My favorite interaction with the butler is that one moment where he’s not protected by being in a conversation/cutscene and I discarded him into a chasm.
@@nio6553it’s strange that he would still want to maintain it now, though. Back then, he was returning fragmented pieces of his essence together so he could reform. But now he’s already back as a quasi-deity, he has nothing to gain from his offspring spreading their essence out any further.
Bhaal literally started the Bhaalspawn thing because he realized he was going to be killed and was like, "Clearly the solution is to impregnate as many people as possible." You could say he went out...with a bang
What is the point if there is no family to go back to? That there is no domination in being enslaved. Gotta do this..despite the ending of them killing with the knifes looking way cooler then snapping necks.
I imagine so; by Sceleritas' own admission the tadpole protects you from Bhaal's influence, so by combining that with the absurd power stolen from the Absolute (see the evil endings for prime examples of its scope, with Karlach's unique ending being the most relevant example for this matter) you should be able to fulfil your evil plans without any complications from the Urge. Destroying the brain and your tadpole along with it however leaves only one way out... One last murder before Bhaal takes you over.
@@iterationfackshet1990 Let's use a bit of logic, shall we? Dark Urge is defeated by Orin, he dies... right, he's dead so no reason for Bhaal to remove the slayer form, that is why it is only after he is revived that Scelly comes to 'take it from him'. (In truth if the game was consistant since Orin killed him as a sacrifice, Whithers shouldn't have been able to revive him). Now... Dark Urge rejects Bhaal, what happens? Bhaal kills him... so... at what point do you suggest Bhaal said 'hey you know, just in case this is somehow not permanent even though it 100% should be, let me just go ahead and switch off the Slayer form'. Yes, 'switch off'. To me, the fact that 1. Durge is 100% Bhaal, 2. Scellaritus even states the form is from his past (so he's had it before) 3. The Dark Urge IS him. It makes more sense to think of it as being blocked off rather than needing to be given to him by Bhaal outside of who/what he is. This whole 'Whithers says he only killed part of him' is a cop out, Sarovac (who gets his information from Bhaal), confirms that the Dark Urge is still a Bhaalspawn, and this makes sense because it's still his same body, same DNA. Furthermore, I would like to see some reasoning as to why Whithers states that it is outside of his usual role to revive Durge, if you really believe that all that is left of him is 'what Bhaal didn't kill'. Unless he is only left with part of a soul, would that not make that part of him just like any other soul to be revived? The reason it's a big deal that Whithers revives Durge at that point is because Bhaal's way of killing him would usually make him unreachable for Withers (just like if Orin's victim is killed, or if Durge sacrifices his lover/favorite companion to Bhaal).
@@saribeepo.o5111I forget the exact wording but doesn’t he say he’s taking his blood back or something he’s taking the bits back from you from him back slayer included
@@AceDan-gc9po But Durge doesn't have a mortal parent. They came from Bhaal entirely. I honestly just think that dialogue is supposed to be more poetic than literal tbh. At least, after Durge is brought back it becomes just a poetic way of being disowned lol
@saribeepo.o5111 bhaal killed durge by taking away his urge and his slayer form. He didn't kill durge and then decide afterwards to also take the slayer form, taking the bhaal stuff out of him is how bhaal killed durge
It's not hard to lose the 1v1 in honour mode, I learned that the hard way. If you trigger a legendary reprisal while Orin's Deathbringer Assault is active, it doesn't matter if you're in Slayer form, you're dead buddy. Unless you stacked every defensive buff on yourself, or knew to bring universal (piercing) resistance, blade ward, or an auto-revive. And if she's the one in Slayer form, getting knocked down = death.
'Stupid stupid bastard orphan baby!'
Kills me everytime 😂😂😂
Here rests Sceleritas Fel
Died of Cringe
😂😂😂
I just noticed how Bhaalists (even Durge and Scel) talk the same way as Orin, with a fragmented cadence and poetic descriptions
"Oh don't give me that!"
Technically they are related as siblings. They could have also been raised together the only difference compared from Orion and durge is that durge like to know the people he will kill. (That’s what I think)
@@varic4638 It's the other way around. You can find a book written by durge where they complain about Orin spending too much time on her kills when Bhaal wants quantity, not quality. While in another book by Orin she complains that durge just mindlessly slaughters and she thinks that each kill should be special.
@@sarrach94 Idk why I've seen it so much, but people tend to mix up the two (in fanfics, anyway) and it's honestly become a pet peeve of mine
When does durge talk?
Ironically, the Sceleritas Fel is the the most nicest companion you can have. He literally loves you for just being you end don't complains about everything you do. Even when you go on redeemed Durge route, he is still loyal to you. The only reason that he is mad of you in this route it because he mad of himself that he failed you to prepare for the fight and now.
He dies if you redeem yourself
@@asdfjgh Well, yes, but he was loyal to you, and wished you to achieve your inheritance right until his end has come.
I disagree. He never take redeemed durge seriously and think that in the end everything will be fine (durge accepting bhaal again). Even when you explicitly told him that you won’t kill anyone again, his response is “yeah sure, bet you will tho”. He’s basically delusional or won’t accept reality. After we beat orin, he immediately perma died so we won’t really know how he will react to a completely redeemed durge (the one without bhaal’s blood).
To me he only loves the bhaalspawn aspect of durge.
@@bimbiman8495 No matter, he is still the most adorable butler ever.
"Sceleritas Fel died of a broken heart" and broken everything else too, it seems
He's like the reverse version of Dobby lmao 😂
The Anti-Dobby
All this because orin got some bullshit crits against me
The Honor Mode experience, haha. Wish I'd assumed she'd be able to fear/murder me in a single turn, and prepared accordingly. Certainly would've shapeshifted sooner.
I remember being able to resurrect Durge after dying to Orin, the battle continues just as it does in a Tav playthrough, with all of Orin's lackeys, and it acted like I won the duel.
Because I can't let myself purposefully lose against Orin, I've never seen this.... she died real fast to my Slayer.... she also died real fast to my redeemed urge sorc 😂 Thanks for posting!
Honor mode Orin goes crazy. If you don’t have enough defense? Her retaliation will one shot you
@@kingofgrim4761 oh, I saved ALL defensive buffs I had on hand for it. Overloaded my sorc with them. Had to slip over to Shart (who had cast warding bond on me) outside of combat to revive and heal her before she died because she couldn't handle the damage that Orin was putting on me 🙃. I also made sure to really raise my initiative so I could go first, quicken spell first turn, potion of speed second turn, she was down turn 3. I misplayed a little though because I just completely forgot I had Markoheshkir equipped and could have cast a second 6th level spell 🙃
@@bunnyboygamille ah fair enough, I usually just cheese it by respec into heavy armor, wear armor of persistence (if I have dammon alive) and she can’t hurt me essentially
@@kingofgrim4761 that's also a valid strategy. I was trying to cheese my first run as little as possible. I only brought out barrels for the Inquisitor, Myrkul, and Lorroakan (not that he needs them, I just had a massive stockpile I wasn't going to use and thought it would be a fun diversion before facing off with Orin and the brain).
I've also since then discovered that you can dump a spare cleric in camp with warding bond on and they just won't drop to saving throws and die until you return to camp.
@@bunnyboygamille hmm interesting. I’ve always heard Gale is the best warding bond cleric cause he heals himself. I never use that kinda stuff, just barrels or similar if I’m bored. I just know I cant beat Orin 1v1 without cheese or a paladin type build
Mans like a disappointed parent, only he's literally talking about murder.
oh no, Fel forgot to cure his boneitis
God the writing and voice acting are so good.
honestly Sceleritas, despite being the butler to Bhallspawn is actually the only member of the Bhaal family that treats you with any respect or love, Orin is a sister who does not care for you and wishes you dead, your mother never loved you truly, and your father only loves your achievements, Sceleritas was like the nanny in those films where the children are so unloved that they begin to accept the nanny as a surrogate mother, its sad really, to see him go like this.
Durge had no mother. No real mother anyway. Baal created u from himself nothing else
@RAWR26633 No durge did have a mother, step mother atleast, shes in a coffin in orin (formerly durges) bedroom
@@PapaHepatitis7170 that is orins mother. Not the durge.
@@RAWR26633 exactly why I said step mother, since orin is his sister
@@PapaHepatitis7170 well then thats why if you read my post. The durge had no REAL mother. They were created from baal and baal alone. Orin is NOT their sister. Orin came from sarevoks family.
"I suffer a fate worse than death.... Betrayal"
sums up what Scelaritas feel in this moment
Did he seriously just die of cringe?
I've never seen this before lol
I actually kinda feel sympathetic towards Sceleritas, but only a little xD
You just have to lose against Orin and Bhaal revives you anyway.
@@CheshireDCat i was wondering how this happens 😭😭 tysm, gonna try this out tomorrow 😔
@@CheshireDCat does that lock you into the ending of you going mad? Since Bhaal still owns you?
@@ravenknight4195 Only if you go on to destroy the Netherbrain, since this destroys the tadpole protecting you from Bhaal.
If you don't wish to go full evil at this point by controlling the brain, there is only one other way to escape... Uh...how to say this without the comment being deleted... "Take yourself out" on the dock when prompted.
Though your story ends there, Withers will visit you in an after-life limbo to at least give you a quiet send-off befitting a hero.
@@CheshireDCat strange. When i lost as my Durge i got Game Over... Or i must be a made Slayer at that moment?
I didn’t know a broken heart could do that to someone.
The one silver lining of losing the duel to orin: you finally get to make sceleritas mad. You finally do something to him that he does not enjoy
My poor Sceleritas Fel
I'm happy to know he's happy in my Durge save file
Schelaritis is the imaginary friend I always wanted as a kid
this conversation was changed from what I remember. I can see now his disappointment.
They keep updating this shot they need to stop
@@AncientAnt3ywhy?
I need a mod to redeem Sceleritas as a butler of goodness.
I won’t let you down arch butler scaleritas i’ll do what father bhaal asks in every playthrough until the end of time
My favorite interaction with the butler is that one moment where he’s not protected by being in a conversation/cutscene and I discarded him into a chasm.
So basically he’s mad at us and literally tells us to fuck off
never thought i’d see the day i felt moved by sceleritas
the bhaalist fixation on breeding offspring is so fucking weird lol. i keep forgetting that among all the murder stuff
I imagine it's the only way for them to get around the whole bloodsworn to kill each other thing. outbreed the murder impulse.
@@loafbreed7246 totally! it’s also thanks to his spawn that bhaal got resurrected that one time, bro is never gonna let it go again
@@nio6553it’s strange that he would still want to maintain it now, though. Back then, he was returning fragmented pieces of his essence together so he could reform. But now he’s already back as a quasi-deity, he has nothing to gain from his offspring spreading their essence out any further.
Bhaal literally started the Bhaalspawn thing because he realized he was going to be killed and was like, "Clearly the solution is to impregnate as many people as possible."
You could say he went out...with a bang
You'd think Bhaal, what with his omnicidal tendencies, wouldn't allow his faithful to breed.
If this happens does that mean you don't get her netherstone and can't complete the main quest? Or can you challenge her again?
No, if you die to Orin it triggers the others to join the fight
@@emmasilver2332hmm but what if you leave them far enough so they won’t engage in fight? Can you get resurrected that way?
@@dirthamen haven't tried that
good video. always wanted to see what happens when you refuse the urge thnks
Nah, it isn't it. It is "losing to Orin" route. Refusing Bhaal after defeating Orin lead you to different outcome
This legitimately makes me sad. sceleritas fel is the bestest butler a Durge could ask for. Never make your butler weep
Dobby having a mental breakdown
I never even considered you could lose against orin. Just win the fight or lose the game.
What is the point if there is no family to go back to? That there is no domination in being enslaved. Gotta do this..despite the ending of them killing with the knifes looking way cooler then snapping necks.
Bro cursed her reproductive organs that’s cooked
Sceleritas died of transforming into a swastika.
No man, he cringed so hard he died
I gotta wonder if you do manage to still commit to the evil ending where you control the brain would it even work or be possible?
I imagine so; by Sceleritas' own admission the tadpole protects you from Bhaal's influence, so by combining that with the absurd power stolen from the Absolute (see the evil endings for prime examples of its scope, with Karlach's unique ending being the most relevant example for this matter) you should be able to fulfil your evil plans without any complications from the Urge.
Destroying the brain and your tadpole along with it however leaves only one way out... One last murder before Bhaal takes you over.
This scene completely justifies the stance that Durge should get to keep the Slayer form when redeemed.
No, Bhaal takes it from you when redeemed. As withers says he kills the part of you he knows, which includes the slayer.
@@iterationfackshet1990 Let's use a bit of logic, shall we? Dark Urge is defeated by Orin, he dies... right, he's dead so no reason for Bhaal to remove the slayer form, that is why it is only after he is revived that Scelly comes to 'take it from him'. (In truth if the game was consistant since Orin killed him as a sacrifice, Whithers shouldn't have been able to revive him).
Now... Dark Urge rejects Bhaal, what happens? Bhaal kills him... so... at what point do you suggest Bhaal said 'hey you know, just in case this is somehow not permanent even though it 100% should be, let me just go ahead and switch off the Slayer form'.
Yes, 'switch off'. To me, the fact that 1. Durge is 100% Bhaal, 2. Scellaritus even states the form is from his past (so he's had it before) 3. The Dark Urge IS him. It makes more sense to think of it as being blocked off rather than needing to be given to him by Bhaal outside of who/what he is. This whole 'Whithers says he only killed part of him' is a cop out, Sarovac (who gets his information from Bhaal), confirms that the Dark Urge is still a Bhaalspawn, and this makes sense because it's still his same body, same DNA.
Furthermore, I would like to see some reasoning as to why Whithers states that it is outside of his usual role to revive Durge, if you really believe that all that is left of him is 'what Bhaal didn't kill'. Unless he is only left with part of a soul, would that not make that part of him just like any other soul to be revived? The reason it's a big deal that Whithers revives Durge at that point is because Bhaal's way of killing him would usually make him unreachable for Withers (just like if Orin's victim is killed, or if Durge sacrifices his lover/favorite companion to Bhaal).
@@saribeepo.o5111I forget the exact wording but doesn’t he say he’s taking his blood back or something he’s taking the bits back from you from him back slayer included
@@AceDan-gc9po But Durge doesn't have a mortal parent. They came from Bhaal entirely.
I honestly just think that dialogue is supposed to be more poetic than literal tbh. At least, after Durge is brought back it becomes just a poetic way of being disowned lol
@saribeepo.o5111 bhaal killed durge by taking away his urge and his slayer form. He didn't kill durge and then decide afterwards to also take the slayer form, taking the bhaal stuff out of him is how bhaal killed durge
How can you get the slayer form and be defeated by Orin? I’m confused
you get the slayer form early in act 2 if you kill isobel or your romanced companion
@@awitchx uh nice , thank you. But can you actually loose to Orin? Doesn’t the game goes in game over?
your companion will join the fight if you lose to orin! it’s only game over if the whole party is defeated after that
It's not hard to lose the 1v1 in honour mode, I learned that the hard way. If you trigger a legendary reprisal while Orin's Deathbringer Assault is active, it doesn't matter if you're in Slayer form, you're dead buddy. Unless you stacked every defensive buff on yourself, or knew to bring universal (piercing) resistance, blade ward, or an auto-revive.
And if she's the one in Slayer form, getting knocked down = death.
I would wear that hat irl