Doing it though can be easily done wrong if you aren't accustomed to that engine as you have to change valve buckets I assume that he changed the valve buckets and they was too tight possibly in fairness you would rather them tighter then loose cause you could drop a valve although that's a bad fuck up in my opinion
@@jt.961 You don't have to remove the buckets, the shims fit on top of the buckets. On the inlet side directly under the cam lobe and on the exhaust valve under the rocker arm. You don't even need to remove the camshaft or the balance shaft.
@@Davidkxf I know that to check them but to change the shims you'd have to remove the cam otherwise you have the pressure of the cam love pushing down onto the shim... From that I assumed that they chacked it changed the buckets and then put it all back to get her didn't run it up and check again after installation this causing the issue of the rocker snapping due to being obsenely tight
Thats bad luck. I see that there are a lot of comments that are saying that the LC4 engine is not so reliable... it depends how you maintain it though. If you follow the maintenance program of KTM 10k service intervals then yes the engine wont last much... i have the 2016 model and I do service every 3k and I now have 19k with this bike with zero problems with 1 upgrade (I changed the timing chain tensioner with a manual one ) and its chiptuned since day 1 running 75 HP
I wish that would have solved the issue in my case but I started having issue in the first few months already.. still I think I just got a little unlucky
The 2019 and later models with the balancer shaft top end does not have the rocker issues! They screwed it up. My engine blew at 1700 miles warranty voided. So I had to pay. Now at 3650 miles the cam shaft is knackered. I believe it’s oil starvation issues. KTM don’t want to know! Your KTM dealer demonstrated complete incompetence. Why would you have to pay for their mistakes? So it should’ve been free! The mobility\breakdown service is included with your warranty. They weren’t doing you any favours!
Yeah, as expected, they screwed up the service, big time... Was the bike still under warranty when this happened? Anyway the +2 year warranty extension is pretty cheap, I'm getting it for my 701 SM just to be on the safe side. :D I can understand your attachment, these bikes are really hard to beat in the fun department! The other day, I was amazed again how good the stock tires and suspension is on a faster track.
Thanks. Don’t even know that can be done wrong with valves clearance check. Only stuff mistake could take place. I faced the similar problem. On new 2020. After 6k km I found TWO valve seals on one of the exhaust valve. One of course was totally broken. And another one was damaged badly. Just small fault on the factory found accidentally with oil change. Found small spring from broken valve seal on oil magnet. Don’t know what it could lead to
Glad they got you all sorted out! Have to ask who makes the mirrors you have? Am I seeing it right that they mount to the same spot as the original mirrors, or did you have to both something extra to the bars?
Least it wasn’t an electrical issue. Glad you personally didn’t fuck up your bike. I got the 701 sm fully decked too. I worry every now and then maybe I’ve done too much to factory wiring.
came across your site as I started looking at the 690 and nice to see the difference between the enduro and smc r which you have been able to give me, disappointed to hear all these issues you are having seems to be a big issue with customer support on quite a few platforms airing this , so if it does go again by the roadside what will you get is the question?
It’s a really tough question because no other bike imo covers all my needs as well as this one. Probably would just get an exc and covert it to supermoto. For me having fun is the most important. The excs are even more fun than SMCR but lack a few other upsides.
Would you recommend the bike ? at the moment im doing my license and for me the 690 SMCR is the only bike i really really like, there are a few bikes that look good but i honestly only want the 690. SMCR or nothing. I want to buy a 2022-2021 model but at the moment im reading a lot of motor problems ... is that true ? I mean in your case it was something different, that was "just" a failure from the mechanic
I think the quality of KTMs has becomes much worse in the last few years. I hear different problems from different riders on all sorts of KTM bikes. The good thing is that they usually cover all costs but it is annoying. I would still recommend buying the SMCR because it is an AMAZING bike and there is nothing like it tbh.. :D hope this helps. Oh and if you don’t like it you can always sell it for almost the same price you bought it..
Don't worry about it, i have a 2016 with almost 70.000 km, no issues at all, but i've taken good care of it and changed oil every 7-8000km which is under the milage that ktm recommends. And if you buy a 2022 you will have warranty aswell for 2 years, in some countries you can extend that too. The LC4 engines in these bikes are pretty much bulletproof if you take care of it, especially the newer ones
Still get one! This is probably just bad luck and I never had to pay anything. Also I am keeping the bike because I love it too much and there is no other bike that can replace it for me right now.
My old 08 is still running great. Once the starter hot line bolt backed out and wouldn't start. I just had to replace o ring in clutch slave and fix broken sub frame bolt from trying to pop high speed wheelies but bike has been great. I do all the work on the bike tho. Replaced rocker as preventive maintenance also
Definitely an error from them. It does sound like their partially admitting it. I have a 2010 and would never let anyone else do basic maintenance for incidents like this. Often times the dealer will not admit it and they will tell you, you have a lemon bike. insane.
Honestly I like the idea behind 690, but I hate KTM. After owning 2 unreliable Italian bikes I would not trade my Yamaha for anything other than a another Japanese bike. I have friends whose 701 Husqvarnas have blown and it's a expensive bike and even more expensive to fix, if not under warranty. I would really like that Yamaha made a same type of street superMoto using the CP2 engine (MT07, tenere). Or Suzuki updated their DRZ. Honda had the FMX but It was air-cooled... Also the 620-690 KTM lc4 engine is known for having shit ton of problems and blowing up easily, compared to other 700cc street engines.
Pretty good summary of options. I wish the LC4 was more reliable too but for now we gotta make that choice. For me the riding experience is unmatched so I will ignore the troubles whenever I can. Oh and one last option is to covert an EXC into a supermoto. Those are very reliable but costly to maintain since they are competition bikes..
@@itsmevolt4361 Interesting, first time I have heard of a clutch going, they have to be the toughest most bomb-proof clutches in the business. I know lots of friends who have destroyed clutches on Japenese bikes, particularly DR650's but never a 690 or 701. First time for everything!
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Checking valve clearance is a relatively easy job; goodness knows what the Mechanic did.
Doing it though can be easily done wrong if you aren't accustomed to that engine as you have to change valve buckets I assume that he changed the valve buckets and they was too tight possibly in fairness you would rather them tighter then loose cause you could drop a valve although that's a bad fuck up in my opinion
@@jt.961 You don't have to remove the buckets, the shims fit on top of the buckets. On the inlet side directly under the cam lobe and on the exhaust valve under the rocker arm. You don't even need to remove the camshaft or the balance shaft.
@@Davidkxf I know that to check them but to change the shims you'd have to remove the cam otherwise you have the pressure of the cam love pushing down onto the shim... From that I assumed that they chacked it changed the buckets and then put it all back to get her didn't run it up and check again after installation this causing the issue of the rocker snapping due to being obsenely tight
@@jt.961 I'm sorry you are wrong, the camshaft does not need to be removed to change the shims.
I wish I knew what exactly went wrong..
Glad you got it sorted 👍
Thanks!!
Thats bad luck. I see that there are a lot of comments that are saying that the LC4 engine is not so reliable... it depends how you maintain it though. If you follow the maintenance program of KTM 10k service intervals then yes the engine wont last much... i have the 2016 model and I do service every 3k and I now have 19k with this bike with zero problems with 1 upgrade (I changed the timing chain tensioner with a manual one ) and its chiptuned since day 1 running 75 HP
I wish that would have solved the issue in my case but I started having issue in the first few months already.. still I think I just got a little unlucky
Thats the Reason why I hate to go to the Services and to pay them a lot of Money just to f***** up your Bike.
Yes when this is the outcome it really sucks
The 2019 and later models with the balancer shaft top end does not have the rocker issues! They screwed it up. My engine blew at 1700 miles warranty voided. So I had to pay. Now at 3650 miles the cam shaft is knackered. I believe it’s oil starvation issues. KTM don’t want to know!
Your KTM dealer demonstrated complete incompetence. Why would you have to pay for their mistakes? So it should’ve been free! The mobility\breakdown service is included with your warranty. They weren’t doing you any favours!
Glad u got it back bro!! Hopefully it's good for a long time now
Thanks man! Hope so too..
Yeah, as expected, they screwed up the service, big time... Was the bike still under warranty when this happened? Anyway the +2 year warranty extension is pretty cheap, I'm getting it for my 701 SM just to be on the safe side. :D I can understand your attachment, these bikes are really hard to beat in the fun department! The other day, I was amazed again how good the stock tires and suspension is on a faster track.
I will def have a look into the extended warranty thanks!! And totally agree with the rest ofc. :)
Good to hear you got your Kato back!
Thanks! Feel great having it back.
Thanks. Don’t even know that can be done wrong with valves clearance check. Only stuff mistake could take place. I faced the similar problem. On new 2020. After 6k km I found TWO valve seals on one of the exhaust valve. One of course was totally broken. And another one was damaged badly. Just small fault on the factory found accidentally with oil change. Found small spring from broken valve seal on oil magnet. Don’t know what it could lead to
Wow this really sucks. Dunno what’s going on here.. glad you found it though!
Glad they got you all sorted out! Have to ask who makes the mirrors you have? Am I seeing it right that they mount to the same spot as the original mirrors, or did you have to both something extra to the bars?
Nothing extra just put them in the original spot. Ordered them from Lahn Moto
Least it wasn’t an electrical issue. Glad you personally didn’t fuck up your bike. I got the 701 sm fully decked too. I worry every now and then maybe I’ve done too much to factory wiring.
Haha yes that‘s always a concern but you should be good if it’s running for a while!
Hey makes sense that the airbox power parts was broke cause he had to take it off to get to the valves buddy...
🤦♂️ so true
came across your site as I started looking at the 690 and nice to see the difference between the enduro and smc r which you have been able to give me, disappointed to hear all these issues you are having seems to be a big issue with customer support on quite a few platforms airing this , so if it does go again by the roadside what will you get is the question?
It’s a really tough question because no other bike imo covers all my needs as well as this one. Probably would just get an exc and covert it to supermoto. For me having fun is the most important. The excs are even more fun than SMCR but lack a few other upsides.
I just got the gasgas sm 700 new for £7499 can't wait for delivery early February
How is the bike? Do you like it? Pros and cons?
Link to buy these mirrors?
Would you recommend the bike ? at the moment im doing my license and for me the 690 SMCR is the only bike i really really like, there are a few bikes that look good but i honestly only want the 690. SMCR or nothing. I want to buy a 2022-2021 model but at the moment im reading a lot of motor problems ... is that true ? I mean in your case it was something different, that was "just" a failure from the mechanic
I think the quality of KTMs has becomes much worse in the last few years. I hear different problems from different riders on all sorts of KTM bikes. The good thing is that they usually cover all costs but it is annoying. I would still recommend buying the SMCR because it is an AMAZING bike and there is nothing like it tbh.. :D hope this helps. Oh and if you don’t like it you can always sell it for almost the same price you bought it..
Don't worry about it, i have a 2016 with almost 70.000 km, no issues at all, but i've taken good care of it and changed oil every 7-8000km which is under the milage that ktm recommends. And if you buy a 2022 you will have warranty aswell for 2 years, in some countries you can extend that too. The LC4 engines in these bikes are pretty much bulletproof if you take care of it, especially the newer ones
And, i've heard tons of people with higher milage on their bikes, 100k+ without anything significant, only small stuff
I was thinking of getting one and now am afraid after seeing ur video .. please suggest
Still get one! This is probably just bad luck and I never had to pay anything. Also I am keeping the bike because I love it too much and there is no other bike that can replace it for me right now.
@@bklf202 thanks .. sure will then go ahead with my plan .. 😊👍🏻
My old 08 is still running great. Once the starter hot line bolt backed out and wouldn't start. I just had to replace o ring in clutch slave and fix broken sub frame bolt from trying to pop high speed wheelies but bike has been great. I do all the work on the bike tho. Replaced rocker as preventive maintenance also
@@humzilla707 thanks for the info 👍🏻
Definitely an error from them. It does sound like their partially admitting it. I have a 2010 and would never let anyone else do basic maintenance for incidents like this. Often times the dealer will not admit it and they will tell you, you have a lemon bike. insane.
That’s would have been so much worse. Since they immediately took care of everything I could not even be that mad..
what kind of mirrors are you use
Lahn Moto
conclusion ?
Do everything yourself.
The rocker arms need to be loctited down. Its a comon problem
That’s not what caused the issue here though I think
Honestly I like the idea behind 690, but I hate KTM. After owning 2 unreliable Italian bikes I would not trade my Yamaha for anything other than a another Japanese bike. I have friends whose 701 Husqvarnas have blown and it's a expensive bike and even more expensive to fix, if not under warranty. I would really like that Yamaha made a same type of street superMoto using the CP2 engine (MT07, tenere). Or Suzuki updated their DRZ. Honda had the FMX but It was air-cooled... Also the 620-690 KTM lc4 engine is known for having shit ton of problems and blowing up easily, compared to other 700cc street engines.
Pretty good summary of options. I wish the LC4 was more reliable too but for now we gotta make that choice. For me the riding experience is unmatched so I will ignore the troubles whenever I can. Oh and one last option is to covert an EXC into a supermoto. Those are very reliable but costly to maintain since they are competition bikes..
As a matter of interest do you know what went wrong with those 701s?
@@jamesfairmind2247 For the other one i belive it was the clutch side, and on the other one I can't say for sure.
@@itsmevolt4361 Interesting, first time I have heard of a clutch going, they have to be the toughest most bomb-proof clutches in the business. I know lots of friends who have destroyed clutches on Japenese bikes, particularly DR650's but never a 690 or 701. First time for everything!
I don’t have a youtube channel like you. I wonder if I would have to pay for my SM CR
Hope that’s not the reason xD
you should always deal with your motorcycle by yourself, there is only one cylinder, c'mon man!?