The set design was very "Jack Kirby," which is very good for a comic book movie. The Grandmaster is one of the "Elders Of The Universe" -- they are incredibly old, and quite powerful. They were given "hobbies," as to not be bored and complacent. He was in charge of contests, most of which he rigs. His "brother" is the Collector. (guess what his hobby is)
Some of the guards armour even looked like human sized Celestials which I loved. This is by far the most Jack Kirby feeling Marvel films thanks to that production design.
Thor: Ragnarok is easily one of my favorite Marvel films, from its visuals and setting to the incredible soundtrack and tone. Taika Waititi did a fantastic job directing it. The film has a distinct 1980s vibe, due in large part to the synth-heavy score, which I’ve been listening to non-stop. Visually, it’s very reminiscent of Jack Kirby’s iconic style. If you look up his artwork for the Thor and Eternals comics, you’ll see a similar design language throughout the film. The Hulk's story line is loosely based on the Planet Hulk comic, where the Illuminati, fearing that Hulk had become too dangerous after losing control and attacking Las Vegas, trick him into space. Their plan was to send him on a mission to destroy a rogue satellite, only for the shuttle to jettison him out of the solar system. They intended for him to land on a peaceful planet, but instead, Hulk crash-lands on Sakaar, the same planet we see in Thor: Ragnarok. In the Marvel comics, the Illuminati are a secretive, superhero equivalent of the United Nations. The group's members include Doctor Strange, Professor Charles Xavier from the X-Men, Iron Man from the Avengers, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Black Bolt, king of the Inhumans, and Reed Richards of the Fantastic Four. Together, they make significant decisions that shape the Marvel universe, such as the pivotal choice to send the Hulk into space. One of the cool details in Ragnarok is the Grandmaster's tower features stone busts of previously unseen Marvel characters like Ares, Man-Thing, and Beta Ray Bill. Beta Ray Bill, in particular, is such an awesome character. In the comics he was actually the first to lift Mjolnir, which was a big surprise to readers. He even wears an outfit similar to Thor's but has yet to show up in the movies. Another highlight from the film is Skurge's redemption, where he saves Asgard while wielding dual M16 machine guns, this moment is straight out of the comics. The only difference is the context and setting, but it's just as epic. Thor: Ragnarok came out during a phenomenal year for superhero films. 2017 gave us Spider-Man: Homecoming, Logan, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, and Wonder Woman. 2018 was even better with Avengers: Infinity War, Ant-Man & The Wasp, Venom, Deadpool 2, Incredibles 2, Black Panther, and Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse.
Point Break (1991) (Keanu Reeves, Patrick Swayze ) is an Action/Crime/Surfer film, very cool movie. Tony was calling Thor a surfer bro, typical both a compliment and a cut at the same time.
Shout out to Tessa Thompson as *Valkyrie.* She really killed it, and my favourite moment in the entire movie is when she joins the battle on the Rainbow Bridge, just sashaying, sword in hand, towards the enemy hordes, with Robert Plant singing "Valhalla I am comi-ing..."
Karl Urban as the Executioner, also in The Boys on Amazon Prime. Also played Dr. McCoy in the Star Trek reboots as well as the main character in the movie Dredd from 2012, such a great actor.
In Norse mythology, Hella is the daughter of Loki and ruler of Hel, the underworld where you might end up in death. The comics, and movie, changed their relation. The valkyrie were female warriors who took the bravest soldiers who died in battle to Valhalla and Odin's table, so basically they're angels.
Thor looked so hot with the short hair on the poster for Ragnarok it made me watch the entire MCU just so it would make sense when I watched it. I had only seen like two of them. 10/10 best marathon ever. And it was worth it for short-haired Thor.
The part where Banner and Valkyrie are acting like they recognize each other after he becomes Banner is because she hasn’t seen him not be HULK and he doesn’t remember things from being HULK. So neither knows the other at that point and then as he is about to jump from ship it explains why she don’t understand what he is about to do.
I remember when the trailer for this dropped, one of my managers and I spent the rest of the week pointing at each other and going, "I know him, he's a friend from work!"
Not sure if mentioned yet, but I was surprised you missed the Matt Damon cameo, playing Loki in that play. This would be the 2nd time and a call back to Damon playing a Loli character... as in his Loki from Kevin Smiths 'Dogma'. Love your reactions and looking forward to the next chapter in this saga! Cant wait😊 6:55
As others have mentioned, Hela is in the comics (and mythology) as Loki's daughter and the goddess of Hel (the underworld). She's pretty much always been around... no surprise return. What I haven't seen mentioned is that in the comics, Thor and Loki (and their brother Baldur) have a long lost sister named Angela that returns from another dimension. (The real behind the scenes is that she was a character in Image comics, but moved to Marvel as part of a lawsuit. She occasionally pops up, but isn't that popular, that I know of.) Korg is an old character from the comics, and is much more stoic and warrior-like there. This movie is not really an adaptation of a particular comics storyline, but pulls from a lot of stuff (particularly a lot of the Sakarr parts drawing from "Planet Hulk", which was probably added here because Marvel doesn't/didn't have the rights to do solo Hulk movies because that is held by Universal).
I would love an Angela MCU adaptation, and of course it is easy to say this now after Love and Thunder but, the Angela story was the rignt story for a Thor movie in the Multiverse Saga.
Someone replied to me saying Loki is Hela's mother (as he is gendermorphic), but I don't see that reply anymore. But to clarify, that is not true in either the mythology or the Marvel comics. In mythology, Loki is her father and Angrboda (a giantess) is her mother. Fenrir and Jormugandr were Hela's brothers through the same parents. In Marvel comics, it is a bit goofier. Hela was originally a fake Infinity Stone that was turned into a goddess by Laussa Odinsdottir (another daughter of Odin), but then given to Loki and Angerboda (different spelling in Marvel) for them to raise as their daughter.
And don't forget Slepner (Odin's 8-legged steed [symbolic of the coffin bearers at a funeral]), was Loki's offspring by the stallion Svardifan, due to a dalliance that happened when the Aesir tried to get out of paying the Jotunn builder of the wall around Asgard.
14:09 for reference in the comics Jeff Goldblum's character Grandmaster is the brother of The Collector Benicio del Toro's character from Guardians of the Galaxy & Thor Dark World post credit scene.
We’re one more movie away from Avengers Infinity War, just Black Panther after this and I’m so pumped for watching her reaction to it all! Gonna be epic.
Glad you loved this one! It is very much a homage of the 70's/80's fantasy/sci-fi movies of old, like Heavy Metal. Especially with the music. Taika did a marvelous job with this one because the Thor movies had somewhat under performed to expectations and no one really knew how to handle the end of Asgard in a way that would leave the audience happy and not buried in grief and sorrow. This worked, SO well. I also love that Chris Hemsworth got to be funny rather than grim and serious all the time; It's clear it's more his wheelhouse to be comedic. Also, Cate was magnificent as Hela; apparently her sons were huge fans of Marvel and begged her to take the part.
Yeah, I love Hopkins in this role too. He brings so much gravitas. Probably runner-up to Owen Wilson’s performance in the Loki show for my favorite performance in the MCU.
Thor Ragnarok and the Guardians of the Galaxy movies have been my favorites in the MCU to current times. Which is crazy to me because I grew up specifically loving the more street level heroes and the most out there I got was with the X-Men. As an adult, I enjoy these movies so much more for the humor and the pure adventurous fun qualities they exhibit.
Mjolnir does get broken in the comics at some point, but I don’t recall it having to do with Hela. Yes, Hela is from the comics but not their sibling. They maintain her being Loki’s daughter, although apparently a previous incarnation of him. I’m unaware of her having a role like this. I think she just rules the Hel and Niflheim but she is occasionally an antagonist. I think Hela could catch and destroy Mjolnir for one or two reasons. 1. She’s just that powerful, I mean it took Odin’s life to keep her imprisoned. 2. She was the hammer’s original owner as shown in the hidden murals. He did it before putting the enchantment on, but Odin did take the hammer from Thor, and he’s shown in other things to take it with the enchantment It’s not said, but the Grandmaster is the brother of The Collector, Benicio Del Toro’s character from Guardians. They both have a color line on their lower lips This movie partially adapts the comic story Planet Hulk. Hulk is deemed too dangerous to stay on earth so they send him into space to live on an uninhabited planet but his ship gets messed up and he ends up on Sakarr, which had more of a ancient Rome in the desert look. He becomes a gladiator slave, gets free, overthrows the king, and becomes the planet’s ruler. Korg and Miek are in it, though pretty different. That’s a very simple summary of the story. There’s actually an animated movie albeit a shorter version. I’m not too familiar with comic Odin, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s been given a sketchy past In Avengers Tony says “No hard feelings, Point Break” after his fight with Thor Bruce and Valkyrie know each other through Hulk. She seems to have been a trainer or a sparring partner or…maybe a different type of partner? 😳 Odin traditionally gives up his eye in exchange for a drink of magic water that imparts great knowledge. I think it’s implied he loses it in battle in the MCU, I recall some kind of flashback where it looks like it just happened, maybe when he finds baby Loki Hulk’s blood was shown as green in Incredible Hulk Not sure why you think he gets the hammer back. No hammer no problems meaning it’s not a problem he doesn’t have it.
Some complained that they made Thor so funny, no idea about the comics, but through the films he's always had an undercurrent of humour, so I thought it was brill!
I think this is a decent blend, even though it is very Guardians of the Galaxyish. They tried hard to lean in that direction. However, the next Thor movie dips waaaaaay too far into the comedy and fails.
The Bleecker St address is comic accurate for Dr. Strange. It's more of a wonderful coincidence that it sounds so much like Holmes's Baker St address. The Sanctum has been on Bleecker St since long before Cumberbatch (sorry, can't think of a funny name) was Sherlock.
@@MrDanteMason Yes, but Sherlock has been around since long before Doctor Strange. However, you are correct that the address of the sanctum is not a Sherlock Holmes reference. It is actually a reference to an apartment shared by Roy Thomas and Gary Friedrich.
@@Outrider85 Mmhmm, mhmm... I did know that the Sherlock stories have been around for a LONG time. I was just saying that the address was not meant as a reference to Cumberbatch's portrayal of the character (awesome as it was). I'm a fan of Holmes, and some of the literature inspired by the character. I didn't know that the Bleecker St address was a reference to anything, so thank you for that neat little piece of trivia!
The patterns in the stats are based on the ornamentation that Jack Kirby put on futuristic and science fiction and fantasy buildings. I saw an interview with a set designer, and she was really trying to get inspiration directly from Jack Kirby. It doesn’t really match what he did, but it’s definitely in the spirit over the top crazy ornamentation
Taika Waititi and Ryan Reynolds were AWESOME in "Free Guy"... They should be locked in a room with Kevin Feige and develop a Brand New Superhero franchise together.
Hela in this movie is basically an amalgamated character. She shares a name and look with the comics' Hela, but has the powers of Gorr the God-Butcher, as well as a bit of the backstory of Angela, who in the comics is Thor's actual long-lost sister, from the previously unknown tenth realm of Heven.
17:15 The set and costume design on Sakaar were heavily influenced by the comic art of Jack Kirby, who is only a hair-breadth less as important to the Marvel legacy as Stan Lee.
Loki's big into creative progeny in the myths. He was actually the mother of Odin's 8-legged horse, since he had to distract a giant's horse to keep him from building a wall too fast.
So here's something interesting about the Thor movies. They are filmed from the perspective of the narrator. The first 2 movies are narrated by Odin, and therefore have very noble and kingly elements to the story telling. Ragnarok was narrated by Thor. And it's told in the past tense. He's recounting the events of Ragnarok to his people, but in a humorous way trying to ease his people's pain.
They sing no songs in Hel, nor do they celebrate heroes, for silent is that dismal realm, and cheerless. But the story of the Gjallerbru and the god who defended it is whispered across the nine worlds. And when a new arrival asks about the one to whom even Hela bows her head; he stood alone at Gjallerbru, and that answer is enough.
In the first Thor film, they mention wormholes/portals. The planet Sakaar is surrounded by wormholes. At the end of Age Of Ultron, the jet Hulk was on, passed thru one of the wormholes and ended up on Sakaar.
"Thor's vibe is hard rock" Back in the 1990s the Cartoon Network show Dexter's Lab had a reoccurring segment called The Justice Friends featuring parody versions of Captain America, Hulk and, Thor living as apartment roommates. The Thor parody was a character called Valhallen who was the Viking God of Rock, and who's name is derived from the Viking afterlife Valhalla and the Rock Band Van Halen. His signature weapon was a Flying V Electric Guitar that he called his Mighty Axe.
10:18 this was one of the changes from the comics & original Norse lore that the MCU did. Hela is not the older sister of Thor in the comics she is Loki's daughter & ruler of Hell who enjoys torchering her father Loki.
Writing that he put Odin in a home on earth... I imagine that was a place holder in the script. They recorded it just in case, it'll be short, we'll record something else later. "we release the movie on time!" ... "weren't we supposed to-" "SHHH! we released on time" And then there's the guy "wouldn't it be funnier if we leave it in?"
this is one of my top 3 of the MCU. absolutely brilliant on all counts. i will never forget the first time i saw it, and i adore watching first-time reactions to it ❤
17:23 you mentioned loving the design of everything.. they made it as an ode to Jack Kirby and his style when he was doing Marvel comics (fantastic four, Thor, Captain America, etc) in the 60’s 70’s with the solid colors and futurism as seen from a 60/70 perspective
Natalie Portman didn't do this movie because she was unhappy over what happened during Thor: Dark World Of course now that you watch this movie I can talk about the whole story When Patty Jenkins was supposed to direct Dark World she wanted Hela to be the villain but the head of Marvel Entertainment didn't think a female villain would go over big so Patty Jenkins quit , Natalie Portman who had really been looking forward to working with Patty Jenkins just wound up quitting the Marvel Universe And this is why Disney wound up separating Marvel Studios from Marvel Entertainment, This is all according to the book Marvel Studios the first 10 years Disney eventually healed the rift with Natalie Portman winding up with doing some voice work for Avengers Endgame and also appearing in the next Thor movie
Flash Gordon 1980 was also a clear inspiration for this. In fact, I think that movie (along with its amazing soundtrack) has been an inspiration for a lot of Marvel since it began. F it, I'm gonna go watch it again!
27:25 many think its a joke he doesn't switch after he falls and it is probably is, but many people forget the Hulk has to get aggravated or angry to switch. Him landing like that does the trick.
I haven't read Thor since the 90's, but i remember all the characters in the movie from the comics. The design of Sakaar looks like it came right out of a Jack Kirby comic. Odin has never been righteous his entire reign. You don't have to read comics to know that, it's all based in viking or norse mythology. Thor is the only pure soul in mythology. Thor was so beloved by the Norsemen, that when they were finally conquered and forced with the choice of Christianity or death. The Norsemen refused to give up their Thor, and so a compromise was reached. Thors hammer became the symbol for what we know as the cross ) the actual crucifixion cross is an X not a t ), one day a week would be named in honor of Thor, Thorsday, which we now pronounce as Thursday. The fun things i had to learn in 3rd grade in England.
The one thing this film doesn’t get much credit for is just how difficult it was to tie together all these different storylines. Taika combined elements from the Hulk World story arc with elements of the Ragnarok storyline, while also setting up Infinity War. The fact that it wound up cohesive and entertaining is a testament to good writing and a great cast. One can certainly argue that the Hulk World story is great and deserved a lot more love, but due to crazy licensing issues, Marvel can’t make another Hulk movie - just use him as a guest in others’ movies. Maybe we’ll get more in the future.
Natalie Portman wasn't a budget issue. She was REALLY unhappy making the 2nd Thor because the original director was supposed to be Patty Jenkins (director of the Wonder Woman movies), but she left the project. Portman was unhappy with Marvel, Marvel was unhappy with Portman, so they parted ways. What Thor says about "it was a mutual dumping" was a sly little nod to the situation. But they later kissed and made up. You'll see.
23:40 they feel like they know eachother cause he's the Hulk. She knows him as the green monster but doesn't really know what he looks like as just a regular man.
Even though from what I recall she isn't related to Odin or Thor in the comics. Also, Hela's power set is very different from the comics, in the comics she is basically a mage, with very similar abilities to Dr. Strange, in addition to also being super strong and durable like Thor.
As so often in the movies, the answer to "did this happen in the comics" is no for the first 75 years, then yes, but not with this character or for this reason. Third didnt have a sister until the Original Sin crossover, where it was used to make him unworthy. The movies needed to replicate this to lay the path for introducing SPOILER CHARACTER in the next phase, but without any of the drama or creator control rows. Trying to reverse engineer the story of the comics from what the movies do is like trying to understand the plot of Black Beauty by looking at a horse through a zoetrope. You miss 99% but get a nice set piece.
For the 1980s vibe, there was a trailer put out in advance of the movie that had an even synthier score (the movie's score was done by Mark Mothersbaugh of DEVO, but the trailer used the song "In The Face Of Evil" by Magic Sword), that was cut and given effects to look like a 1980s sci-fi movie, and it's absolutely glorious. It's on here was Thor Ragnarok - VHS Trailer.
The inclusion of Led Zeppelin's "Immigrant Song" is more fitting than most realize. It is about Vikings and Norse Mythology, written by the band as a tribute to Iceland when they performed there. Listen closelly to the lyrics.
21:43 Point Break was from the 1st Avengers movie when Tony Stark says Thor's got a mean swing... referring to him looking like Patrick Swayze from the movie Point Break.
In the comics Hela is Loki’s daughter but they rewrote her to be the older sister. They combined lore of the character Amora the Enchantress for this version of the character. Amora is a asgardian woman who has powers of mind control. Her sidekick is the Excutioner, who is the character that Karl Urban plays in this movie. Jeff Goldblum’s character is the Collector’s brother.
7:53 I feel like this must be a reference to the Douglas Adams book The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul, where Thor and Loki put Odin in a retirement home on earth.
24:23 - Ah, that part never gets old. 28:42 - Yeah, Sir Anthony Hopkins was 100% the perfect choice for Odin. 32:20 - It's almost time... Waititi also provided the motion-capture for Surtur while Clancy Brown (best known for voicing Mr. Krabs) did the voice.
I seen this at the theater with my cousin because I liked the other Thor movies. This was had me lmao throughout the movie. This is the funniest Thor movie. Thor The Dark World and Ragnarok are my favorite movies out of the series
This was one of my favorite Marvel movies to watch in the theater. My favorite band is Devo and my Bff Linda's favorite band is Led Zeppelin. We got Mark Mothersbaugh, the lead singer of Devo, doing the musical score and Immigrant Song by Led Zeppelin. How often does a film satisfy a Devo fan and a Led Zeppelin fan? Also the set artwork was directly inspired by Jack Kirby. All of those geometric shapes and lines on the walls. He is a legendary Marvel comics artist and seeing his concepts live action made this film feel the most Marvelly. Yeah I'm inventing words to describe it.
The "I feel like I know you" exchange may be a nod to their comic book exploits as part of the first iteration of The Defenders, pulled together by Dr. Strange.
It's an age old matter of Perspective... She saw Odin as an Oppressor while the Audience saw him as uniting the worlds by replacing wars through Diplomacy (once he got everyone onboard). He became the Realms "Godfather".
The Norse story of how Odin lost his eye is that he went to mimers well and sacrificed his eye for all the knowledge in the world. What has been in the past and whats to come in the future.
Taika said that Korg is based on huge bar bouncers, that because they know they are the strongest they don't need to be angry, and are basically the nicest people.
27:35, simple Banner died when he fell onto the bridge, Hulk isn't letting him die. This is known from the first Avengers movie when Banner said he put a bullet in his mouth to end it all and Hulk spit it out
Anthony Hopkins as Odin portraying Tom Hiddelston as Loki trying to imitate Anthony Hopkins as Odin is one of the best things the MCU ever did.
@@DC_Prox his line “Oh shit” when he’s caught is still one of my favorite of all the MCU.
He's just a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude
Just like Chris Evans as Loki twice.
Apparently Hopkins is a really funny, jolly guy. He was probably barely acting at all while doing his bit as Loki.
Best Loki line missed on this! "I have been falling for Thirty Minutes!"
This is the second time Matt Damon has played a character named Loki. He was also Loki in Dogma.
The set design was very "Jack Kirby," which is very good for a comic book movie.
The Grandmaster is one of the "Elders Of The Universe" -- they are incredibly old, and quite powerful. They were given "hobbies," as to not be bored and complacent. He was in charge of contests, most of which he rigs. His "brother" is the Collector. (guess what his hobby is)
Some of the guards armour even looked like human sized Celestials which I loved. This is by far the most Jack Kirby feeling Marvel films thanks to that production design.
@@LittleGalaxyBoy At least until the Fantastic Four movie comes out. They'd better go full Kirby, for that one.
Shan's hair game is strong
I went hard for this one!
Very strong! ❤
Thor: Ragnarok is easily one of my favorite Marvel films, from its visuals and setting to the incredible soundtrack and tone. Taika Waititi did a fantastic job directing it. The film has a distinct 1980s vibe, due in large part to the synth-heavy score, which I’ve been listening to non-stop. Visually, it’s very reminiscent of Jack Kirby’s iconic style. If you look up his artwork for the Thor and Eternals comics, you’ll see a similar design language throughout the film.
The Hulk's story line is loosely based on the Planet Hulk comic, where the Illuminati, fearing that Hulk had become too dangerous after losing control and attacking Las Vegas, trick him into space. Their plan was to send him on a mission to destroy a rogue satellite, only for the shuttle to jettison him out of the solar system. They intended for him to land on a peaceful planet, but instead, Hulk crash-lands on Sakaar, the same planet we see in Thor: Ragnarok.
In the Marvel comics, the Illuminati are a secretive, superhero equivalent of the United Nations. The group's members include Doctor Strange, Professor Charles Xavier from the X-Men, Iron Man from the Avengers, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Black Bolt, king of the Inhumans, and Reed Richards of the Fantastic Four. Together, they make significant decisions that shape the Marvel universe, such as the pivotal choice to send the Hulk into space.
One of the cool details in Ragnarok is the Grandmaster's tower features stone busts of previously unseen Marvel characters like Ares, Man-Thing, and Beta Ray Bill. Beta Ray Bill, in particular, is such an awesome character. In the comics he was actually the first to lift Mjolnir, which was a big surprise to readers. He even wears an outfit similar to Thor's but has yet to show up in the movies. Another highlight from the film is Skurge's redemption, where he saves Asgard while wielding dual M16 machine guns, this moment is straight out of the comics. The only difference is the context and setting, but it's just as epic.
Thor: Ragnarok came out during a phenomenal year for superhero films. 2017 gave us Spider-Man: Homecoming, Logan, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, and Wonder Woman. 2018 was even better with Avengers: Infinity War, Ant-Man & The Wasp, Venom, Deadpool 2, Incredibles 2, Black Panther, and Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse.
6:55 did you not notice that was Matt Damon playing Loki? 😂
Came here to say this lol
did NOT notice!
@@ShanelleRiccio And Chris Hemsworths older brother playing Thor with Damon
Don't forget Sam Neil! :)
Or that it was Karl Urban playing Skurge.
Very silly but also subtle: Korg talking about pamphlets is actually a continuation of the Rock Paper Scissors joke.
And stepping on Miek thereby crushing scissors
"You've got a mean swing, Point Break" - Tony Stark in the first Avengers film.
OKAY THANKS I NEEDED THAT CONTEXT
Point Break (1991) (Keanu Reeves, Patrick Swayze ) is an Action/Crime/Surfer film, very cool movie. Tony was calling Thor a surfer bro, typical both a compliment and a cut at the same time.
It sounds like one of those improv lines that Robert Downey came up with
“No hard feelings, Point Break…you’ve got a mean swing.” That’s actually the line…technically. It takes place on the heli-carrier.
Damn you, Stark
Shout out to Tessa Thompson as *Valkyrie.* She really killed it, and my favourite moment in the entire movie is when she joins the battle on the Rainbow Bridge, just sashaying, sword in hand, towards the enemy hordes, with Robert Plant singing "Valhalla I am comi-ing..."
Karl Urban as the Executioner, also in The Boys on Amazon Prime. Also played Dr. McCoy in the Star Trek reboots as well as the main character in the movie Dredd from 2012, such a great actor.
Also the killer in the second Jason Bourne movie, and of course - never forget - as Eomer in _The two towers_ and again in _The return of the king._
And guested in a lot of Xena episodes 😊
Don't forget Eomer in Lord of the Rings trilogy.
Hes got a bit in nearly all of the essential modern franchises. Pretty cool.
In Norse mythology, Hella is the daughter of Loki and ruler of Hel, the underworld where you might end up in death. The comics, and movie, changed their relation. The valkyrie were female warriors who took the bravest soldiers who died in battle to Valhalla and Odin's table, so basically they're angels.
Save time..
Marvel has no connection to mythology, aside from Names.
@@lokithecat7225 Of course there's more than just the names. The comic characters are _based_ on Norse mythology, they've just changed a lot.
Hel and Niflhel are the realms given over to Hel, daughter of Loki, where the dishonored dead go when they die.
Nothing is different in the comics.
Hela is the daughter of Loki and the ruler of Hel.
Thor looked so hot with the short hair on the poster for Ragnarok it made me watch the entire MCU just so it would make sense when I watched it. I had only seen like two of them. 10/10 best marathon ever. And it was worth it for short-haired Thor.
Shan, she’s Hulk best friend. So, no, not “in the past” unless “some hours ago” count. 😂
"did they know each other back in the day?" yes literally that day
By far the best of the Thor movies and one of the best of the entire Infinity Saga! Hulk pointing as going "Big Monster" always cracks me up!
The part where Banner and Valkyrie are acting like they recognize each other after he becomes Banner is because she hasn’t seen him not be HULK and he doesn’t remember things from being HULK. So neither knows the other at that point and then as he is about to jump from ship it explains why she don’t understand what he is about to do.
Indignant Hulk: "Big Monster?!"
26:59 in the Norse mythology, Odin traded his eye for wisdom.
I remember when the trailer for this dropped, one of my managers and I spent the rest of the week pointing at each other and going, "I know him, he's a friend from work!"
Tony Stark would totally call Thor "Point Break" because of the surfer look and the bro personality lol
He did in the original Avengers movie on the Heli-Carrier. "You have a mean swing, Point Break", or something to that effect.
I am surprised the Patreon subscribers didn't have Shan watch Point Break (with Swayze) before hand.
You absolutely nailed the soundtrack. It was 80’s synth. Composer for this film was Mark Mothersbaugh of the band DEVO.
one of my fav parts of this one!
I know him from Rugrats lol
I loved Ragnarok! There were so many times I thought, "Man, if you could screen grab that scene, it would make a sick heavy metal poster!"
And it felt like Love and Thunder was really going to lean into that and... eh. At the start, for sure!
I've said the same thing.
Not sure if mentioned yet, but I was surprised you missed the Matt Damon cameo, playing Loki in that play.
This would be the 2nd time and a call back to Damon playing a Loli character... as in his Loki from Kevin Smiths 'Dogma'.
Love your reactions and looking forward to the next chapter in this saga! Cant wait😊 6:55
Tony called Thor "Point Break" because of Patrick Swayze in the movie Point Break.
Ragnarok was the perfect blend of character for Thor funny, serious, somewhat melancholy, yet hopeful.
My favorite line: "Somebody get help!"
that was such a good bit I died
As others have mentioned, Hela is in the comics (and mythology) as Loki's daughter and the goddess of Hel (the underworld). She's pretty much always been around... no surprise return. What I haven't seen mentioned is that in the comics, Thor and Loki (and their brother Baldur) have a long lost sister named Angela that returns from another dimension. (The real behind the scenes is that she was a character in Image comics, but moved to Marvel as part of a lawsuit. She occasionally pops up, but isn't that popular, that I know of.)
Korg is an old character from the comics, and is much more stoic and warrior-like there. This movie is not really an adaptation of a particular comics storyline, but pulls from a lot of stuff (particularly a lot of the Sakarr parts drawing from "Planet Hulk", which was probably added here because Marvel doesn't/didn't have the rights to do solo Hulk movies because that is held by Universal).
I would love an Angela MCU adaptation, and of course it is easy to say this now after Love and Thunder but, the Angela story was the rignt story for a Thor movie in the Multiverse Saga.
Someone replied to me saying Loki is Hela's mother (as he is gendermorphic), but I don't see that reply anymore. But to clarify, that is not true in either the mythology or the Marvel comics. In mythology, Loki is her father and Angrboda (a giantess) is her mother. Fenrir and Jormugandr were Hela's brothers through the same parents. In Marvel comics, it is a bit goofier. Hela was originally a fake Infinity Stone that was turned into a goddess by Laussa Odinsdottir (another daughter of Odin), but then given to Loki and Angerboda (different spelling in Marvel) for them to raise as their daughter.
"This movie is not really an adaptation of a particular comics storyline"
It does pull a lot from Simonson's "Ragnarok" storyline from the 80's.
And don't forget Slepner (Odin's 8-legged steed [symbolic of the coffin bearers at a funeral]), was Loki's offspring by the stallion Svardifan, due to a dalliance that happened when the Aesir tried to get out of paying the Jotunn builder of the wall around Asgard.
14:09 for reference in the comics Jeff Goldblum's character Grandmaster is the brother of The Collector Benicio del Toro's character from Guardians of the Galaxy & Thor Dark World post credit scene.
"Is this a new love interest for Thoe?" Errmmm... wrong tree.
We’re one more movie away from Avengers Infinity War, just Black Panther after this and I’m so pumped for watching her reaction to it all! Gonna be epic.
IM SO READY
@@ShanelleRicciono you’re not, trust me, no one was ready when it came out. 👀
Nope, you are not....@@ShanelleRiccio
@@ShanelleRiccio You think you know what's to come...
_Black Panther_ is the most racist film I've seen from a major studio in 20 years. I could not watch it to the end. (I'm white.)
Glad you loved this one! It is very much a homage of the 70's/80's fantasy/sci-fi movies of old, like Heavy Metal. Especially with the music. Taika did a marvelous job with this one because the Thor movies had somewhat under performed to expectations and no one really knew how to handle the end of Asgard in a way that would leave the audience happy and not buried in grief and sorrow. This worked, SO well. I also love that Chris Hemsworth got to be funny rather than grim and serious all the time; It's clear it's more his wheelhouse to be comedic. Also, Cate was magnificent as Hela; apparently her sons were huge fans of Marvel and begged her to take the part.
Valkyrie doesn't swing Thor's way 😉
Yeah, I love Hopkins in this role too. He brings so much gravitas. Probably runner-up to Owen Wilson’s performance in the Loki show for my favorite performance in the MCU.
Thor Ragnarok and the Guardians of the Galaxy movies have been my favorites in the MCU to current times. Which is crazy to me because I grew up specifically loving the more street level heroes and the most out there I got was with the X-Men. As an adult, I enjoy these movies so much more for the humor and the pure adventurous fun qualities they exhibit.
This couldn't have been posted at a better time!
Mjolnir does get broken in the comics at some point, but I don’t recall it having to do with Hela.
Yes, Hela is from the comics but not their sibling. They maintain her being Loki’s daughter, although apparently a previous incarnation of him. I’m unaware of her having a role like this. I think she just rules the Hel and Niflheim but she is occasionally an antagonist.
I think Hela could catch and destroy Mjolnir for one or two reasons. 1. She’s just that powerful, I mean it took Odin’s life to keep her imprisoned. 2. She was the hammer’s original owner as shown in the hidden murals. He did it before putting the enchantment on, but Odin did take the hammer from Thor, and he’s shown in other things to take it with the enchantment
It’s not said, but the Grandmaster is the brother of The Collector, Benicio Del Toro’s character from Guardians. They both have a color line on their lower lips
This movie partially adapts the comic story Planet Hulk. Hulk is deemed too dangerous to stay on earth so they send him into space to live on an uninhabited planet but his ship gets messed up and he ends up on Sakarr, which had more of a ancient Rome in the desert look. He becomes a gladiator slave, gets free, overthrows the king, and becomes the planet’s ruler. Korg and Miek are in it, though pretty different. That’s a very simple summary of the story. There’s actually an animated movie albeit a shorter version.
I’m not too familiar with comic Odin, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s been given a sketchy past
In Avengers Tony says “No hard feelings, Point Break” after his fight with Thor
Bruce and Valkyrie know each other through Hulk. She seems to have been a trainer or a sparring partner or…maybe a different type of partner? 😳
Odin traditionally gives up his eye in exchange for a drink of magic water that imparts great knowledge. I think it’s implied he loses it in battle in the MCU, I recall some kind of flashback where it looks like it just happened, maybe when he finds baby Loki
Hulk’s blood was shown as green in Incredible Hulk
Not sure why you think he gets the hammer back. No hammer no problems meaning it’s not a problem he doesn’t have it.
Some complained that they made Thor so funny, no idea about the comics, but through the films he's always had an undercurrent of humour, so I thought it was brill!
I think this is a decent blend, even though it is very Guardians of the Galaxyish. They tried hard to lean in that direction. However, the next Thor movie dips waaaaaay too far into the comedy and fails.
@@jkhoovernah it gets a little too much hate. It’s not amazing but I had a really good time watching it
@@rickykozak58 I think it gets the right amount of hate, personally. It felt like it took me forever to get through it. I was bored out of mind.
@@jkhoover Taika turned Thor into a joke in that one. That film is atrocious.
8:23 “177a Bleecker St” is a nod to “221b Baker St” which is the address of Sherlock Holmes, which Bennigans Cumberbund is famous for portraying
You meant Bento Box Cabbagepatch right?
I thought it was Bumblesnitch Cumberbun?
The Bleecker St address is comic accurate for Dr. Strange. It's more of a wonderful coincidence that it sounds so much like Holmes's Baker St address. The Sanctum has been on Bleecker St since long before Cumberbatch (sorry, can't think of a funny name) was Sherlock.
@@MrDanteMason Yes, but Sherlock has been around since long before Doctor Strange. However, you are correct that the address of the sanctum is not a Sherlock Holmes reference. It is actually a reference to an apartment shared by Roy Thomas and Gary Friedrich.
@@Outrider85 Mmhmm, mhmm... I did know that the Sherlock stories have been around for a LONG time. I was just saying that the address was not meant as a reference to Cumberbatch's portrayal of the character (awesome as it was).
I'm a fan of Holmes, and some of the literature inspired by the character.
I didn't know that the Bleecker St address was a reference to anything, so thank you for that neat little piece of trivia!
Back in the day when I was in a band. "Immigrant Song" was always in our set list. Such a fantastic tune
I think we can all agree that Jeff Goldblum truly is the first lost and the first found, and that nobody loves you more than he does..
👍
More of the same from JG in the Netfix series KAOS, as he is playing Zeus.
The patterns in the stats are based on the ornamentation that Jack Kirby put on futuristic and science fiction and fantasy buildings. I saw an interview with a set designer, and she was really trying to get inspiration directly from Jack Kirby. It doesn’t really match what he did, but it’s definitely in the spirit over the top crazy ornamentation
As I mentioned in my own comment this set design made this the most Marvelly of the Marvel films. :)
27:02 In the first Thor movie, in the flashback where Odin found Loki as an infant, the Jotunheim leader threw an ice spike at Odin's face.
Thor is not just a comic book hero. He is an actual Norse God and that is where you will find his story and family tree
Wagner's Ring Cycle really needs to find its own Peter Jackson. Movie event of the century.
Taika Waititi and Ryan Reynolds were AWESOME in "Free Guy"... They should be locked in a room with Kevin Feige and develop a Brand New Superhero franchise together.
Hela in this movie is basically an amalgamated character. She shares a name and look with the comics' Hela, but has the powers of Gorr the God-Butcher, as well as a bit of the backstory of Angela, who in the comics is Thor's actual long-lost sister, from the previously unknown tenth realm of Heven.
@17:45 I love her reaction to the Hulk. Many of us were spoiled by the movie poster that featured him.
Tony called him Point Break when they first met 🖤🌹🖤🧛🏻♀️
you don't KEEP an old mural UNDERNEATH. You paint over it lol.
17:15 The set and costume design on Sakaar were heavily influenced by the comic art of Jack Kirby, who is only a hair-breadth less as important to the Marvel legacy as Stan Lee.
Awww, you skipped Loki’s exclamation “That’s what it feels like!”, arguably my favorite part.
Loki's big into creative progeny in the myths. He was actually the mother of Odin's 8-legged horse, since he had to distract a giant's horse to keep him from building a wall too fast.
That Wiley trickster.
So here's something interesting about the Thor movies. They are filmed from the perspective of the narrator. The first 2 movies are narrated by Odin, and therefore have very noble and kingly elements to the story telling.
Ragnarok was narrated by Thor. And it's told in the past tense. He's recounting the events of Ragnarok to his people, but in a humorous way trying to ease his people's pain.
They sing no songs in Hel, nor do they celebrate heroes, for silent is that dismal realm, and cheerless. But the story of the Gjallerbru and the god who defended it is whispered across the nine worlds. And when a new arrival asks about the one to whom even Hela bows her head; he stood alone at Gjallerbru, and that answer is enough.
In the first Thor film, they mention wormholes/portals. The planet Sakaar is surrounded by wormholes. At the end of Age Of Ultron, the jet Hulk was on, passed thru one of the wormholes and ended up on Sakaar.
"Thor's vibe is hard rock" Back in the 1990s the Cartoon Network show Dexter's Lab had a reoccurring segment called The Justice Friends featuring parody versions of Captain America, Hulk and, Thor living as apartment roommates. The Thor parody was a character called Valhallen who was the Viking God of Rock, and who's name is derived from the Viking afterlife Valhalla and the Rock Band Van Halen. His signature weapon was a Flying V Electric Guitar that he called his Mighty Axe.
10:18 this was one of the changes from the comics & original Norse lore that the MCU did. Hela is not the older sister of Thor in the comics she is Loki's daughter & ruler of Hell who enjoys torchering her father Loki.
Portman has never made more than 1 million for any of her Thor roles. Her first appearance was 100k.
She wasn't inflating the budget in any way.
As I recall, Portman tried to back out of Thor: The Dark World when they changed directors, but they made her honor her contract.
4:48-:49 "take me", and 5:05 "We love your 'staff'" got me laughing so hARD I nearly pissed myself!!!!
She said “we love your stuff”, not “we love your staff”. It was in response to what Skurge said.
Writing that he put Odin in a home on earth...
I imagine that was a place holder in the script.
They recorded it just in case, it'll be short, we'll record something else later.
"we release the movie on time!" ... "weren't we supposed to-" "SHHH! we released on time"
And then there's the guy "wouldn't it be funnier if we leave it in?"
I swear your energy is infectious. Always great vibes with the reactions
the umbrella is also a call back to the comic, where Thor hid as Dr Blake and carried the umbrella , that was of course his hammer..
It's okay, I think most of us have trouble remembering Thor The Dark World and what happened in it.
I really needed to recap that one 😂
this is one of my top 3 of the MCU. absolutely brilliant on all counts. i will never forget the first time i saw it, and i adore watching first-time reactions to it ❤
17:23 you mentioned loving the design of everything.. they made it as an ode to Jack Kirby and his style when he was doing Marvel comics (fantastic four, Thor, Captain America, etc) in the 60’s 70’s with the solid colors and futurism as seen from a 60/70 perspective
Natalie Portman didn't do this movie because she was unhappy over what happened during Thor: Dark World Of course now that you watch this movie I can talk about the whole story When Patty Jenkins was supposed to direct Dark World she wanted Hela to be the villain but the head of Marvel Entertainment didn't think a female villain would go over big so Patty Jenkins quit , Natalie Portman who had really been looking forward to working with Patty Jenkins just wound up quitting the Marvel Universe And this is why Disney wound up separating Marvel Studios from Marvel Entertainment, This is all according to the book Marvel Studios the first 10 years Disney eventually healed the rift with Natalie Portman winding up with doing some voice work for Avengers Endgame and also appearing in the next Thor movie
Flash Gordon 1980 was also a clear inspiration for this. In fact, I think that movie (along with its amazing soundtrack) has been an inspiration for a lot of Marvel since it began. F it, I'm gonna go watch it again!
27:25 many think its a joke he doesn't switch after he falls and it is probably is, but many people forget the Hulk has to get aggravated or angry to switch. Him landing like that does the trick.
I haven't read Thor since the 90's, but i remember all the characters in the movie from the comics. The design of Sakaar looks like it came right out of a Jack Kirby comic. Odin has never been righteous his entire reign. You don't have to read comics to know that, it's all based in viking or norse mythology. Thor is the only pure soul in mythology. Thor was so beloved by the Norsemen, that when they were finally conquered and forced with the choice of Christianity or death. The Norsemen refused to give up their Thor, and so a compromise was reached. Thors hammer became the symbol for what we know as the cross ) the actual crucifixion cross is an X not a t ), one day a week would be named in honor of Thor, Thorsday, which we now pronounce as Thursday. The fun things i had to learn in 3rd grade in England.
Thor Ragnarok, the original Ant-man, Captain America Winter Soldier, and the first Avengers are my favorite Marvel films.
Best of the Thor series! It’s like Big Trouble in Little China meets Flash Gordon!!
The one thing this film doesn’t get much credit for is just how difficult it was to tie together all these different storylines. Taika combined elements from the Hulk World story arc with elements of the Ragnarok storyline, while also setting up Infinity War. The fact that it wound up cohesive and entertaining is a testament to good writing and a great cast.
One can certainly argue that the Hulk World story is great and deserved a lot more love, but due to crazy licensing issues, Marvel can’t make another Hulk movie - just use him as a guest in others’ movies. Maybe we’ll get more in the future.
This is one of my favorite Marvel films. Probably one of the best Thor and Loki films.
Natalie Portman wasn't a budget issue. She was REALLY unhappy making the 2nd Thor because the original director was supposed to be Patty Jenkins (director of the Wonder Woman movies), but she left the project. Portman was unhappy with Marvel, Marvel was unhappy with Portman, so they parted ways. What Thor says about "it was a mutual dumping" was a sly little nod to the situation. But they later kissed and made up. You'll see.
23:40 they feel like they know eachother cause he's the Hulk. She knows him as the green monster but doesn't really know what he looks like as just a regular man.
Hela is DEFINITELY in the comics. She's also part of mythology
Even though from what I recall she isn't related to Odin or Thor in the comics. Also, Hela's power set is very different from the comics, in the comics she is basically a mage, with very similar abilities to Dr. Strange, in addition to also being super strong and durable like Thor.
As so often in the movies, the answer to "did this happen in the comics" is no for the first 75 years, then yes, but not with this character or for this reason. Third didnt have a sister until the Original Sin crossover, where it was used to make him unworthy. The movies needed to replicate this to lay the path for introducing SPOILER CHARACTER in the next phase, but without any of the drama or creator control rows.
Trying to reverse engineer the story of the comics from what the movies do is like trying to understand the plot of Black Beauty by looking at a horse through a zoetrope. You miss 99% but get a nice set piece.
Third = Thor.
Flipping autocorrect!
Loki's daughter
In Norse mythology Ragnarok is the foretold end of days.
In the Mythology Hela is the daughter of Loki
For the 1980s vibe, there was a trailer put out in advance of the movie that had an even synthier score (the movie's score was done by Mark Mothersbaugh of DEVO, but the trailer used the song "In The Face Of Evil" by Magic Sword), that was cut and given effects to look like a 1980s sci-fi movie, and it's absolutely glorious. It's on here was Thor Ragnarok - VHS Trailer.
There's also agreat edited version of the final battle on the bridge with Holding Out For A Hero instead of Immigrant Song, and it's SO 80s.
Why, in a movie full of incredible imagery, fantastic action sequences and tight scripting was the best moment "Get Help"
The inclusion of Led Zeppelin's "Immigrant Song" is more fitting than most realize. It is about Vikings and Norse Mythology, written by the band as a tribute to Iceland when they performed there. Listen closelly to the lyrics.
21:43 Point Break was from the 1st Avengers movie when Tony Stark says Thor's got a mean swing... referring to him looking like Patrick Swayze from the movie Point Break.
In the comics Hela is Loki’s daughter but they rewrote her to be the older sister. They combined lore of the character Amora the Enchantress for this version of the character. Amora is a asgardian woman who has powers of mind control. Her sidekick is the Excutioner, who is the character that Karl Urban plays in this movie. Jeff Goldblum’s character is the Collector’s brother.
"Feels bad for them." Oh sweet child.
This is my favorite MCU movie. It looks and feels like a comic book.
Also a ton of fun!!
7:53 I feel like this must be a reference to the Douglas Adams book The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul, where Thor and Loki put Odin in a retirement home on earth.
24:23 - Ah, that part never gets old.
28:42 - Yeah, Sir Anthony Hopkins was 100% the perfect choice for Odin.
32:20 - It's almost time...
Waititi also provided the motion-capture for Surtur while Clancy Brown (best known for voicing Mr. Krabs) did the voice.
Recently learned that Surtur is voiced by Clancy Brown, The Kurgan from Highlander, and also Mr Krabs from SpongeBob.
I seen this at the theater with my cousin because I liked the other Thor movies. This was had me lmao throughout the movie. This is the funniest Thor movie. Thor The Dark World and Ragnarok are my favorite movies out of the series
Point Break is a nickname Iron Man gave Thor.
Thank you, Shanelle! 🌩
Yes, Hela is actually a character in the comics. She's also a character in ancient Norse mythology.
One of the few franchises that live up to the hype. This one is among the best blending action, comedy, character development, and plot.
Point Break the movie .. you’ll get it as soon as you see it
My favorite MCU film; perfect blend of comedy and action.
This was one of my favorite Marvel movies to watch in the theater. My favorite band is Devo and my Bff Linda's favorite band is Led Zeppelin. We got Mark Mothersbaugh, the lead singer of Devo, doing the musical score and Immigrant Song by Led Zeppelin. How often does a film satisfy a Devo fan and a Led Zeppelin fan? Also the set artwork was directly inspired by Jack Kirby. All of those geometric shapes and lines on the walls. He is a legendary Marvel comics artist and seeing his concepts live action made this film feel the most Marvelly. Yeah I'm inventing words to describe it.
The "I feel like I know you" exchange may be a nod to their comic book exploits as part of the first iteration of The Defenders, pulled together by Dr. Strange.
It's an age old matter of Perspective... She saw Odin as an Oppressor while the Audience saw him as uniting the worlds by replacing wars through Diplomacy (once he got everyone onboard). He became the Realms "Godfather".
The Norse story of how Odin lost his eye is that he went to mimers well and sacrificed his eye for all the knowledge in the world. What has been in the past and whats to come in the future.
Taika said that Korg is based on huge bar bouncers, that because they know they are the strongest they don't need to be angry, and are basically the nicest people.
27:35, simple Banner died when he fell onto the bridge, Hulk isn't letting him die. This is known from the first Avengers movie when Banner said he put a bullet in his mouth to end it all and Hulk spit it out
No need to apologize, it's great that you caught up on the story before watching the movie, highly encourage it.