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they didn't have full cores on the land and out of the ones they did have probably most of them had high autonomy. That and all the forts they had inherited probably made a really poor economy
@@novesspl5061 When you complete the mission every catholic country in the world gets the option to either convert to orthodox or not. The AI then decides mostly based on relative power to the Romans, how nearby they are to them, and their relations with them. The papacy is also permanently disabled, effectively neutering any remaining Catholic nation as they lose the massive buffs that come with the Papacy. A similar thing can happen with the papal states in one of their final missions, where you can mend the Schism, and all orthodox nations will get the option to convert to catholic or remain orthodox.
Here's an idea since I feel like the Inca never get anywhere NEAR the amount of love they should have (at least compared to other native americans, like the Aztec "Empire", which was dysfunctional and doomed to fall with or without european intervention anyways): have the Inca start unified and with the High American tech group, let's see if the masters of South America can save the Americas from the european menace if given the chance.
i thought they were screwed when they fell so far behind in tech, its usually impossible for the ai to get out of the bankruptcy loop that caused them to fall so far behind
Yeah I though they were done for too, luckily no other nations declared on them after the three wars they lost and they managed to stabilise themselves
Wouldn't the culture and religions also have to be different? The Bulgar invasions didn't happen until the 700s, the Arab invasions would have kept Islam in the peninsula, the Sassanid Empire would probably still exist and be Zoroastrian. There would be a lot more Greek culture provinces, especially across Anatolia, the Levant and Egypt, as well as 'Griko' culture provinces in southern Italy. Albanian would probably not exist as its own distinct culture and would likely be Greek as well or Proto-Illyrian.
@@Da__goat I doubt the Sassanian Empire would still exist through such a long period, though. If you look at world history, empires last for a half dozen centuries at most
@@followthelucario4388 I suppose it really depends on a lot of factors, truly whether or not the administration and leadership can keep up with the times. The Persian empires had always been historical rivals and had heavy influence in the region since the time of Alexander almost 1,000 years before the height of Eastern Rome. It wouldn't be totally unrealistic to have some type of empire in Persia, whether it be the Sassanids or some other dynasty. Similarly for how it would impact the Indian subcontinent and central asia. If there was a large persian empire, they would likely have control over Central asia and there would be several powers in India vying for control. There would certainly be a lot of changes that would be impacted, such as the distinct lack of catholicism existing at all due to total control of the Pentarchy, no creation of Al-Andalus, etc. So there is a lot of potential to really explore.
@@Da__goat Indeed, it's a very big chain of what-ifs that can lead to very cool opportunities. I agree that there would likely be an imperial power in Persia, just not specifically the Sassanids
If this really happened all the land they own would either be catholic or orthodox as the Muslims would have never conquered these lands and therefore wouldn’t convert it. Also West Africa would be Fetishist.
@@TheRedHawk My favorite is probably the varna alternate history, because it's such a small difference at the start, when you do huge blobs like the religions or the HRE video, it's less like alternate history and more like staring at a petri dish to see which bacteria colony can paint the map the most imo Those that are just slightly different from our timeline because of one event going differently, and then seing how the world unfolds are the best (and you could do them in other start dates too if you run out of alternate 1444 scenarios)
I think if you do something like what if it smth never collapsed, it should't be just territories. I mean obviously Anatolia should be orthodox and greek in this scenario.
Maybe I'm not the first to notice, or you noticed, but the religious leagues hadn't form (and would not form) because catholic was already the dominant faith, maybe there was no war and Catholics kept status quo...
In this timeline, it probably is almost the same that in ours with a legitimacy issue, a pissed off pope, and and probably north Italy was almost independent at some point
@@TheRedHawk its the same, before it was known as Byzantium, in the 5th Century, the Roman Empire split into a eastern and western half, i think thats what he ment. But that has nothing to do with this byzantium from 200 years later
Then, it should have been called Roman Empire. Historically, there was no "Eastern Roman Empire" nor a Byzantine Empire, only the Roman Empire and the citizens were the Romans.
I'm pretty sure you mean 555 AD and not 1565 AD at 0:33. Justinian the Great's reign ended in 565 but his greatest territorial gains were a decade earlier before his Italian campaigns.
Betting that they will at least do something in the middle east (iraq) and probably take more spanish lands. No Roman Empire (well technically they are the Roman Empire)
In a video full of cursed things you never mentioned the one blessed thing that happened. Sarig Yogir not only survived til the end, but also looks like they migrated and expanded.
You missed several Habsburgs. Portugal had a Habsburg heir early on but I guess it didn't stick and they went back to Avis. Holland had a Habsburg in 1680.
Woah I never knew Byzantium rose like a Pheonix and conquered Italy, Ottomans, Egypt, Tunis, and Southern Spain in 1565. Why doesn't Paradox try to implement this?
Do love the what if series, and whilst people are obviously right about religion etc, at this point you're gonna basically be making mods not some fun map conversions. Aware of how much work that can become even using console commands as opposed to notepad++ and personally prefer seeing the fun scenarios more often than the extra work and I'd imagine time between videos
Yeah it does take quite a bit to set up these videos, maybe not this one specifically, but the ones where every trade node is a nation or whatever, the setup takes like 4/5 hours
What would be cool is if you did two of these alternate histories at once like hre and Byzantium cauz this video and the last they were great power by like 1000 points at the start so it would be more even.
I do wish that eu4 would call it the Byzantine empire because that is what they were called Byzantium was the city that would become Constantinople and then Istanbul, not the empire itself.
Love your “what if’s” !! Idea What if, after conquering all the Greek city-republics, Philip II never went East but west. Military Macedonian Kingdom with pagan religion and non of that Greek crap. I’d watch that 😁👍🏻
I think Byzantium struggled at the start because they were massively over gov capacity but sorted it out and got bigger and stronger after they teched up. Personally i think you made them too strong & beefy at the start with the peak Justinian borders. This deserves a rerun but have them start with their pre-Manzikert borders with just Anatolia & The balkans, they might have some exclaves in southern Italy still too.
I have an idea for you! What if three Romes existed in 1444. You make France form the Roman Empire, but after you give the eastern part to Byzantium. Then you make Austria form the HRE. then let them fight to see how is the true Rome!
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please do Frankish empire
what if Abbasid empire never collapsed?
What if all nations were revolutionary?
Does byzantium have Egyptian as accepted culture? It should start with it u know since they never collapsed
what if charles the bold didnt die (the one of burgundy)
you gave them half the roman empire and they lost to provence
Yeah lol that was crazy to see
Ai can lose some incredible wars
they didn't have full cores on the land and out of the ones they did have probably most of them had high autonomy. That and all the forts they had inherited probably made a really poor economy
@@SEGAnamii Aka someone can't be bothered to check if the nation's setup correctly.
@@jamesmccomb9525 yep
Im pretty sure Byzantium can mend the great schism via their mission tree, which spreads orthodox everywhere.
as byzantium i did that but nothing happened at all
@@GeorgeDenis. Only if the don't hate you
@@lorrdy7640 oh, that explains a lot.
wow, how does it work?
@@novesspl5061 When you complete the mission every catholic country in the world gets the option to either convert to orthodox or not. The AI then decides mostly based on relative power to the Romans, how nearby they are to them, and their relations with them. The papacy is also permanently disabled, effectively neutering any remaining Catholic nation as they lose the massive buffs that come with the Papacy. A similar thing can happen with the papal states in one of their final missions, where you can mend the Schism, and all orthodox nations will get the option to convert to catholic or remain orthodox.
1:12 "The Mamluks still exist."
The Mamluks: I would rather not.
Lmaoo
@@TheRedHawk red hawk.. what is your opinions about mysore sultanate...
Please give me a guide on that..
It is very emotional for me
@@Real_Gigachaddi Mysore doesnt have a sultanate in 1444. The sultanate of Mysore was a sultanate for less than 100 years
Here's an idea since I feel like the Inca never get anywhere NEAR the amount of love they should have (at least compared to other native americans, like the Aztec "Empire", which was dysfunctional and doomed to fall with or without european intervention anyways): have the Inca start unified and with the High American tech group, let's see if the masters of South America can save the Americas from the european menace if given the chance.
Great idea!
That would actually be very interesting!
I like that idea!
i thought they were screwed when they fell so far behind in tech, its usually impossible for the ai to get out of the bankruptcy loop that caused them to fall so far behind
Yeah I though they were done for too, luckily no other nations declared on them after the three wars they lost and they managed to stabilise themselves
1:38
We all wish Byzantium lasted that long
Lol
I dont I'm turkish
Wouldn't the culture and religions also have to be different? The Bulgar invasions didn't happen until the 700s, the Arab invasions would have kept Islam in the peninsula, the Sassanid Empire would probably still exist and be Zoroastrian. There would be a lot more Greek culture provinces, especially across Anatolia, the Levant and Egypt, as well as 'Griko' culture provinces in southern Italy. Albanian would probably not exist as its own distinct culture and would likely be Greek as well or Proto-Illyrian.
Yeah it would be like this, but I don't do this in other videos so I didn't do it now either, maybe I'll start though
@@TheRedHawk It would certainly be an interesting concept to explore, maybe I'll make a mod about this exact scenario
@@Da__goat I doubt the Sassanian Empire would still exist through such a long period, though. If you look at world history, empires last for a half dozen centuries at most
@@followthelucario4388 I suppose it really depends on a lot of factors, truly whether or not the administration and leadership can keep up with the times. The Persian empires had always been historical rivals and had heavy influence in the region since the time of Alexander almost 1,000 years before the height of Eastern Rome. It wouldn't be totally unrealistic to have some type of empire in Persia, whether it be the Sassanids or some other dynasty. Similarly for how it would impact the Indian subcontinent and central asia. If there was a large persian empire, they would likely have control over Central asia and there would be several powers in India vying for control. There would certainly be a lot of changes that would be impacted, such as the distinct lack of catholicism existing at all due to total control of the Pentarchy, no creation of Al-Andalus, etc. So there is a lot of potential to really explore.
@@Da__goat Indeed, it's a very big chain of what-ifs that can lead to very cool opportunities. I agree that there would likely be an imperial power in Persia, just not specifically the Sassanids
If this really happened all the land they own would either be catholic or orthodox as the Muslims would have never conquered these lands and therefore wouldn’t convert it. Also West Africa would be Fetishist.
Yeah probably tbh
18:31 scotland be like fuck this i am greenland now
Thanks for one more "what if..." video!
You’re welcome! I hope you enjoy it!
I love these custom scenario "alternate history" videos, I hope you keep making them, just letting the AI play around with narration
Glad you enjoy them!
@@TheRedHawk My favorite is probably the varna alternate history, because it's such a small difference at the start, when you do huge blobs like the religions or the HRE video, it's less like alternate history and more like staring at a petri dish to see which bacteria colony can paint the map the most imo
Those that are just slightly different from our timeline because of one event going differently, and then seing how the world unfolds are the best (and you could do them in other start dates too if you run out of alternate 1444 scenarios)
"Height of their power in 1565" I think you're a milenniumtoo late.
What if the revolution spawned in 1444???
In Rome.
I want Revolutionary Papal States!
AI Great Britain either lost the civil war or chose parliamentarism in the civil war disaster. Its a 50/50.
I think if you do something like what if it smth never collapsed, it should't be just territories. I mean obviously Anatolia should be orthodox and greek in this scenario.
You're right! I'll make sure to do that in similar videos in the future
Maybe I'm not the first to notice, or you noticed, but the religious leagues hadn't form (and would not form) because catholic was already the dominant faith, maybe there was no war and Catholics kept status quo...
Yeah I don't think they formed
more like what if the Justinian plague never happened.
Byzantium never loses any provinces
*Charlemange “Fuck it I’m making the Holy Roman Empire”
In this timeline, it probably is almost the same that in ours with a legitimacy issue, a pissed off pope, and and probably north Italy was almost independent at some point
I love the fact that Scotland is still alive in Greenland
You misspelled the Eastern Roman Empire as Byzantium.
Eastern Roman Empire? Never heard of em
@@TheRedHawk its the same, before it was known as Byzantium, in the 5th Century, the Roman Empire split into a eastern and western half, i think thats what he ment. But that has nothing to do with this byzantium from 200 years later
Then, it should have been called Roman Empire. Historically, there was no "Eastern Roman Empire" nor a Byzantine Empire, only the Roman Empire and the citizens were the Romans.
I'm pretty sure you mean 555 AD and not 1565 AD at 0:33. Justinian the Great's reign ended in 565 but his greatest territorial gains were a decade earlier before his Italian campaigns.
You know I've never heard of Russia as a direction but you know what it kinda fits
0:32 1565 😂. Nice vids keep up the great work
Like always, very entertaining and enjoyable to watch
Glad you enjoyed it
I believe in Byzantium not gonna lie
Let’s see what they do!
Love your content! Keep up the good work!
Appreciate it!
We'd have a lot less content to make videos on!
Lol truee
What if hre is Orthodox, or what if whole world is Orthodox (a lot of tasty unions)
14:57 "Eastern gaotland" well it it was a close translation and very proud that you know the swedish word for east :)
awesome video dude!
Glad you enjoyed it
5:03 if any nation has such low prestige, is cause they went bankrupt, which caused provence to go yolo on them ez
Yep!
Betting that they will at least do something in the middle east (iraq) and probably take more spanish lands. No Roman Empire (well technically they are the Roman Empire)
Hmm let's see if it comes true!
@@TheRedHawk Well that's so cursed yet sort of beautiful in a weird way. Orthodox HRE is completely cursed though, oh and Byzantine Kazakhstan!
@@ragnaroni Kazakhstan is the true successor of Roman Empire!
@@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944 Oh that's so cursed lol! Its clearly the Saharan states!
@@ragnaroni It's clearly Belgium.
1:40 1565?
i think he meant to say 565.
565 my bad lol
@@TheRedHawk ah ok thanks for clearing things up
@@tugaycoban8875 yeah thought so too just wanted to be 100 percent sure
Byzantium just got a religious victory
An anglican Austro Hungarian region is pretty cursed too.
so apparently byzantium collapsed in our timeline to do the world a solid. because holy crap this timeline is cursed...
Lol truee
what if russia with 1914 borders existed in 1444?
Already on the list!
14:30 nope just looks like a normal multiplayer game to me nothing cursed about it
In a video full of cursed things you never mentioned the one blessed thing that happened. Sarig Yogir not only survived til the end, but also looks like they migrated and expanded.
You missed several Habsburgs. Portugal had a Habsburg heir early on but I guess it didn't stick and they went back to Avis. Holland had a Habsburg in 1680.
Woah I never knew Byzantium rose like a Pheonix and conquered Italy, Ottomans, Egypt, Tunis, and Southern Spain in 1565. Why doesn't Paradox try to implement this?
they didn't. Justinian was 1000 years earlier. I think he meant to say 565
Who knew Belgium is Revolutionary Portugal?
Eastern Roman empire being big is always fun
0:30 1565 ??? and its 1444 and it's already collapsed wtf are you talking about
what if France lost the 100 years war and get PU by England or even integrated in one kingdom ?
Already working on it!
I’m just now seeing this and it’s just so beautiful
I’m glad Byzantium became a huge Empire again!
14:30 Nah we are blessed beyond what we deserve
I comeback to this video every so often just to see the glory of Byzantium :)
Beautiful !
At this point you’re just constantly cashing in on everything Byzantium
I mean i know this isnt the main takeaway. But Scotland hanging on in Greenland is hilarious
"1565 under Justinian", uhh, I think you meant 565 :p
Do love the what if series, and whilst people are obviously right about religion etc, at this point you're gonna basically be making mods not some fun map conversions. Aware of how much work that can become even using console commands as opposed to notepad++ and personally prefer seeing the fun scenarios more often than the extra work and I'd imagine time between videos
Yeah it does take quite a bit to set up these videos, maybe not this one specifically, but the ones where every trade node is a nation or whatever, the setup takes like 4/5 hours
What if mongol empire/golden horde existed in 1444?
1567? Did Justinian timetravel by any chance?
How can the ERE force convert if it costs like 720% war score once a nation has more than 5 provinces?
Cpu cheats
What if the abbasid caliphate never collapsed
Good idea!
What year is this based on? You say 1565, but that’s obviously wrong since it’s after 1444.
It's based on 565, I misspoke in the video
@@TheRedHawk yeah that makes a lot more sense. Byzantium had a rough millennia.
565 not 1565
Nah I think it's 1565, maybe 1665 not sure
@@TheRedHawk bro byzantium fell in 1453.
Justinian died in 565 .
Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not xD
Lmao
Red Hawk saying AI is not good at naval landings
Mamluk AI in my Byzantium campaign which landed 40k troops to my single island
Can you make "what if Taiping Heavely kingdom won civil war" video
What would be cool is if you did two of these alternate histories at once like hre and Byzantium cauz this video and the last they were great power by like 1000 points at the start so it would be more even.
How did you do that map?
How can you force religion in a country as big as France?
Well it turns out they became Orthodox because Byz mended the schizm
I do wish that eu4 would call it the Byzantine empire because that is what they were called Byzantium was the city that would become Constantinople and then Istanbul, not the empire itself.
Ah yes, perfection.
That wasnt “A” Robespierre that was *the* Maximillian de Robespierre
Wait so is great Britain the emperor of the hre?
"not the entirety of Italy, they don't own Nizza" - Shh, don't let France hear you say that!
This is my favorite one so far
Glad you enjoyed it!
how do you change countries at the beginning of the game, i mean their borders.
Modding the game
Using console commands
You should show great powers at the end of evry 50 years
Yeah sometimes I do sometimes I don't, depends on the video tbh
Hi man, do you use any mods while you play?
I use Graphical Map Improvements, Bigger UI and Stellaris font
Can we get one bu with the Western Roman Empire can't have one half but not the other
Yep!
how do you give them GC
Did you did what if new World was alredy colonized? By all formable countries like usa, mexico, brazil etc?
Love your “what if’s” !!
Idea
What if, after conquering all the Greek city-republics, Philip II never went East but west.
Military Macedonian Kingdom with pagan religion and non of that Greek crap.
I’d watch that 😁👍🏻
I think Byzantium struggled at the start because they were massively over gov capacity but sorted it out and got bigger and stronger after they teched up. Personally i think you made them too strong & beefy at the start with the peak Justinian borders. This deserves a rerun but have them start with their pre-Manzikert borders with just Anatolia & The balkans, they might have some exclaves in southern Italy still too.
You said 1565 by accident, right? You meant 565 C.E.?
Yes!
"I gave them what they controlled at their peak of 1565"
what?
"They don,t own all of Italy, they don't own Nizza"
You could trigger every single people of Nice with that single sentence, as they're french 😂
Well in EU4 it’s Italian
Ortodox yes, but Medeci on a french throne is not that cursed. That happened during history: Catherine de Medici ^^
As far as revolutionary flags are concerned... Byzantium's is aight.
Pretty standard EUIV. Once a blob, always a blob.
What if 4th Crusade never happened?
I have an idea for you! What if three Romes existed in 1444. You make France form the Roman Empire, but after you give the eastern part to Byzantium. Then you make Austria form the HRE. then let them fight to see how is the true Rome!
Pog, another video
Big purple blob
I thought all heresies were Cilli!
Chad Justinian I the great
Rev. Byzantium's flag is actually cute
565?
Greek & Persian : ah shit, here we go again
Apparently if Byzantium never fell Australia become mega cursed
you mean 565? Justinian was log dead by 1575
1:40 1565? i dont think so XD
1565 height of their power? Umm... I think I remember my histories wrong but that feels wrong. ;)
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