It's crazy that Lionel Messi is a 7 time Ballon Dor winner, 4x champions league winner, has been involved in 1,000+ goals and assists, he's won 10 La Liga titles, and regardless of what he achieved at Barcelona collectively and individually throughout his career in his prime, his career was based on the World Cup, remember many fans and analysts were saying that "Lionel Messi cannot be among the GOAT conversation until he wins the World Cup" and the final he lost in 2014 against Germany of course that was heartbreaking and that hurt his legacy, in 2022, he finally won the World Cup as the best player in the tournament and produced one of the best World Cup campaigns I've ever seen and he's gotten his flowers and there are some who think he's the best ever player to have played the game and despite the fact that he finally got the one trophy that has been in his head for a decade, there are still some critics. Some call the World Cup rigged, say that Argentina got lucky and won because of penalties and I can't believe that the biggest event in all of football, a tournament that's once every 4 years any player dreams of winning the most prestigious trophy in football, it's crazy that the World Cup is now a 7 game tournament and that's nonsense. The penalty for Argentina memes are funny, but with obvious logic Lionel Messi produced magic at the World Cup, the great goal from outside the box against Mexico, the goal against Australia, the assist against the Netherlands, that assist against Croatia where he sent Josko Gvardiol out for a spin, and more importantly the 2 goals he scored against France in the World Cup final to win his country the World Cup, the dribbles he completed and chances he created, yet people attribute his World Cup performances down to penalties and say they got lucky and call it a 7 game tournament, Lionel Messi was able to do all that stuff on the biggest stage of football at 35 and he's achieved so much greatness and it's also down to longevity as well. He's received a lot of stupid criticism throughout his career and that hasn't stopped him from achieving so much and being the greatest player in the history of football.
Exactly bud. Most goals without pens = Messi. Most assists: = Messi. Most G/A = Messi. Most individual trophies = Messi. Most team trophies = Messi. Most of that was achieved already before world cup. What else he need to prove???
@@KodxQ8 yes but you know every players dream is achieve world cup and also messis dream was also achieving the best trophy for his national team and he loose every world cup thats why ronaldo fans always blamed messi but now he won the world cup and for me he is the G.O.A.T
Agree but you know the blind media and the other people who isn’t fan of Messi needed to open the eyes and wc did that but some don’t want to admit so good that him and Argentina team won, realistically debate ended in 2012 after the 91 goals and I think 22 assist just that alone is an unmatched stat.
Well to sum up how Ronaldo fans think: Yesterday I saw a video asking people in the comments who is the best playmaker. A lot of people said Ronaldo. While in the reality Ronaldo isn’t even top 10 in the number of assists. So we can’t argue with a fanbase that can’t separate reality and imagination. Messi is the greatest of all time without a debate!
Those who say Penalty for Argentina!should remember the pressure of a penalty.Remember Harry Kane who is a prolific penalty taker missed for England at an important moment while Messi converted.Most of the people who say these type of things are Ronaldo fans...but for as long as I remember Ronaldo fans were trolling Messi for not being able to score penalties before WC and now that he has won it they are screaming Penalty For Argentina! Go ask the teams why they fouled Argentine players inside their own penalty box!If u cannot cope!
In all 3 international trophy messi was best player of tournament..i remember before 2021 cr7 fans used to troll by saying source: international trophy in every argument..😂😂
Best Playmaker of all time (5x IFFH'S Worlds best playmaker ,8x league top assist provider ,4x Copa America top assist provider ,2x UCL top assist provider ,Most assists in history of Football). Best Scorer of all time (6x European Golden Shoe , 8x Pichichi's , 1x Copa America Golden Boot , 6x UCL top scorer). Best Dribbler of all time (3079 succesful dribbles). Most in history of Football. Best Player of all time (Most MOTM performances in history of WC/CopaAmerica/UCL/LaLiga).
This! Not to mention he is the only player to have 2 wc golden ball for best player, olympic gold, u-20 world champion, mvp and top scorer and 3 x copa america mvp. Those who say Ronaldo is better or even at Messis level are clueless and rather Instagram fans than football fans.
I've seen some very stupid Lionel Messi takes and the criticism he's dealt with despite being the world for a decade and has 7 Ballon Dors to his name. If Lionel Messi ever played in the premier league, he'd make it a farmers' league if he was in his peak, and in the champions league, some of his best individual moments came against English opposition, the hattrick against Manchester City, he beat Manchester United in a UCL final twice a team that dominated the league under Sir Alex Ferguson, in the second leg against Liverpool, they crumbled but in that first leg, he singlehandedly won that game for Barcelona that free kick goal was something else and at his peak even without proving it in the premier league, he's still better than Cristiano Ronaldo and he's had that premier league agenda throughout his career and for me Lionel Messi doesn't have to prove himself by being able to produce in the premier league.
The whole Messi can't win without Xavi and Iniesta is so stupid, because after they left domestically Barcelona were still winning La Liga, 2016, 2018, and 2019 and in that same period his striker partner Neymar left and Lionel Messi was responsible in carrying that Barcelona team still winning titles and without Xavi and Iniesta, he managed to win 2 more Ballon Dors and could win another one this year. Barcelona during his final years without those 2, they looked average and one thing remained certain for them, Lionel Messi's brilliance and his impact is beyond the goals, assists, dribbling, chances created, he was responsible for 85% of their attack and I'm not surprised that after he left Barcelona have been in Europa League in the last 2 seasons. When they collapsed against Roma in 2018 after leading by 3 goals, Liverpool in 2019 after leading by 3 goals, and that embarrassing 8-2 defeat to Bayern Munich, none of this is down to not being able to perform in the champions league without Xavi and Iniesta, or Messi himself, the whole team around him was awful and it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that whenever they played a top team they'd get destroyed. It's not just the club where he shushed those haters. For Argentina, he was criticized for not winning anything on the international stage and despite his club success, he was missing an international trophy and since 2021 he's won 3 trophies and finally won the World Cup and his country had the right system, and Lionel Messi strutted his stuff, "can't win without Xavi and Iniesta" yet right that's one of the stupidest statements I've ever heard, and in order to win trophies you need proper players, in a different system with different types of players, he shut his critics up for his country and whoever is his teammate whether it was Neymar, Luis Suarez, Xavi, Andres Iniesta, etc, Lionel Messi still has his personal success and collective success.
For me, having a 2-star argentina kit is a nice callback of back then when we belived, we suffered and we supported until we won... still, the third star feels just so nice to wear
It's so sad that so many pple can't appreciate his quality and are envious or jealous of him. But it was always thus with geniuses. Never mind, Messi will not be forgotten and his haters will be forgotten if they're lucky and laughingstocks if they're not.
@@muradranjha4478 You didn't read the French media; they were awful to him, espl. L'Equipe. And the Argentine media when try as he might he couldn't give them the WC. ESPN is unjust too.
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yes but if cr7 started his career in real mardid like messi one club wonder his stats will be much higher Cuz messi been with barcelona and know his teammates really well so that stupid takes to argue about it both the GOATs never ending debate
@@muradranjha4478not Messi's fault Ronaldo didn't get a big club like messi when he was young. Its litterly proved messi is better. Because imagine at a young age you are selected by a big club. Also it is really hard to get a European club when you are in south America. Players like Neymar, vini, enzo are selected in the European team after they are proved in the south American league.
@@muradranjha4478Also how is the GOAT debate not ended? Messi won the world cup. On the other hand cr7 couldn't even perform in wc knockout stage in 5 wc.
Imagine being so good you can score a header, against arguably that years best goalkeeper, against arguably one of the best man United sides ever. While being 5’7
After Messi won the World Cup, the most idotic thing I heard from his haters is that the World Cup is only a "7-game tournament", worth the same and is easier to win than the UCL. WTF? At club football, players train with each other daily, thus have great understanding of one another and their team's strategy; and wealthy clubs can spend millions on the transfer market to strengthen their squad and hire amazing coaches. National teams don't have those luxuries. They can only manage with what they have, , not to mention the team will change drastically after every 4 years. A good, united squad, a suitable coach and, yes, luck...a lot of luck are all required to win a continental tournament, leave along the World Cup. Take Qatar 2022, for example. Star-studded teams like Germany, Belgium, Brazil, England and Portugal have failed (and even 4-time champion and current European champion Italy failed to qualify), yet a mediocre Argentina side (on paper, at least) has managed to win, the whole thing despite losing their first game. Then we have guys like Ronaldo, Modric, Bales, Lewandowsky or Haaland, who have or might win multiple UCL's but will never get their hand on the World Cup.
You're right about everything but calling this Argentina side mediocre. They haven't lost a game (except for that weird Saudi game) since 2019. They play as a team for Messi.
@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 I said "on paper". Argentina was one of the contenders because of their unbeaten streak, but their squad cannot compare to that of England, France, Brazil and Portugal, that's why they winning odds was only 5th. Most casual fans can only name Messi, Di Maria, Lautaro and Emi Martinez while the rest of the squad was much less-known. And yes, they won because they played as a team for Messi.
dont forget that statistically messi is twice the player ronaldo was using VAEP statistical model. also dr ian graham, liverpool director of research said similar things. more or less he said messi and ronaldo is world class scorer but messi also world class attacking midfielder. messi magnitude on the game simply greater. ronaldo does 1 job briliantly, messi does 2 jobs briliantly. ronaldo is amazing player no doubt about it but messi is anomaly.
@@Dinozor3 Sports science in evaluating a plethora of stats, dribbles, passes, key passes, key chances, shots on target, duels won, vision, heat map etc. has concluded that Messi is THREE TIMES BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE.
They can use it all they want but I will just smile because I will sung a song WINNER TAKES IT ALL THE LOSER’S STANDING SMALL BESIDE THE VICTORY THAT’S “HIS” DESTINY 😅❤😂😅❤😂😅❤😂🎉
Bro tbh CR7 Messi art the best player in history they have the most trophies but there one player better then him even Maradona side it him self his name is magico Gonzalez he play in the worst team in la liga he was in Cadiz he played El Salvador he was so good those years he played were Cadiz end El Salvador best years also he only played for fun that why he did want to play in psg other he drag El Salvador to the wrold cup ppl thought just with magico they will manage to make it round of 16 he also beat psg El Salvador friendly 3-1 with just magico he beat Mexico
NO ONE BELIEVE THAT MESSI IS NOT THE GOAT HIS ALL HIS HATERS KNOWS WELL THEY DONT FEEL HE IS NOT THE GOAT THEY JUST CANT ACCEPT IT THATS ALL. SO NOTHING ABOUT THE FEEL HE IS NOT THE BEST.
So yesterday I accidentally broke the speed limit on one of the roads in my area. I was being fined by the police. I had to pay a penalty. As soon as I took out my wallet, Pristiano Penaldo dived in and stole my wallet, thinking it had a penalty that he could use to statpad
Bad take: Messi had all those awards with Barca a team he grew up in, the goal per game stat is a stupid comparison because by that logic Bican is the greatest of all time. Ronaldo stopped dribbling by choice at some point he was the bet dribbler in the world. Messi struggled at PSG and for anyone that wants to come out and say he had assists but Messi at barca had both goals and assists. Ronaldo done it in Prem, Serie and Liga. Messi only has like 2 goals more than Ronaldo in Europe. Completing football at 35 doesn't make your case, because by that reasoning Alvarez is better than Messi because he completed ball at 23. Messi would struggle in the prem and for your thing of Messi scored a certain number of goals against Prem teams doesn't count because he done it with Barca. Messi is a Barca player under Koeman he struggled because Koeman wasn't playing the Barca system so your argument for he can do it with different coaches is also bs. Messi has 3 Ballon d'Ors he didn't deserve to Ronaldo's one. Country argument also doesn't have any ground Messi has always been playing with top stars while Ronaldo only had Pepe.
1. remove team trophies and messi is better with more golden shoes, ballon d’ors, more goal contributions, better peak and player of the tournament awards 2. “doesn’t count because he done it with barcelona” is so lazy and its basically the same as the first reason, saying its all his team. cristiano without real madrid has 1 ucl, messi without barcelona has 1 world cup, and 1 world cup is better than 1 ucl 3. portugal had a higher squad worth and more players in top leagues than argentina going into the world cup. the fact that messi carried while cristiano got benched has nothing to do with their teamates 4. messi is the only one to complete football AND have insane numbers AND insane ratio. alveraz doesnt have the stats and bican doesn’t have the trophies. STOP TRYING TO CHERRY-PICK ITS SO OBVIOUS AND SO SAD 5. in summary, you are a salty loser in the wrong 😁
@@kennafootballWell Ronaldo said he wanted to dribble the whole team and score was a dream. But it still a dream for him. Remember that 36 head on head messi vs Ronaldo Messi has more goals more assists More wins And still people can't shut their mouth. What a bunch of cry babies. And Ronaldo also said he values gooden boot over d'or And guess what messi has more He even siad i will trade my ucl for wc It is the the dream of his career. And messi won it. Ronaldo fans : it's a 7 match game ronaldo teammate sucked But but you're the people who cry Ronaldo carried the team. Messi is nothing without his team. And why he fail to carry he had Chance's and even international victories Ronaldo wasn't always the best part if the victory meanwhile. Messi is the best in wc best in copa..
There’s no way you said Ronaldo is a better dribbler, also stop acting like Ronaldo didn’t join a Juventus who has won the série a 7 seven times before he joined, and also that he was surrounded by some of the best players in man united, also saying some shit like that Ronaldo only had Pepe in his country is stupid, did you not see who Ronaldo had in his team 2022 wc squad he had Ruben Dias, Pepe, Bernardo Silva, Rafael Leo, Cancelo, nuno mendes, Joao Félix, and what let me guess, your gonna say that he didn’t deserve the 2010, 2019, 2021, and 2023, I’ll show you stats to show that he deserved those balon dor, also don’t act like Ronaldo deserved the 2013 balon dor
So yesterday I accidentally broke the speed limit on one of the roads in my area. I was being fined by the police. I had to pay a penalty. As soon as I took out my wallet, Pristiano Penaldo dived in and stole my wallet, thinking it had a penalty that he could use to statpad
Crynaldo fan crying again 🤣 Ronaldo said: My dream goal is to dribble through every defender and the goalkeeper and score. Messi done it. Ronaldo: Golden boot is better than the Ballon d’Or Messi has 6 golden boots and Ronaldo 4 Ronaldo: My dream is to have the most Ballon d’Ors in history. Messi has 8 and Ronaldo only 5 And also if Messi wins the puskas the shameless fan base would start calling it rigged and cry again 🤣
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It's crazy that Lionel Messi is a 7 time Ballon Dor winner, 4x champions league winner, has been involved in 1,000+ goals and assists, he's won 10 La Liga titles, and regardless of what he achieved at Barcelona collectively and individually throughout his career in his prime, his career was based on the World Cup, remember many fans and analysts were saying that "Lionel Messi cannot be among the GOAT conversation until he wins the World Cup" and the final he lost in 2014 against Germany of course that was heartbreaking and that hurt his legacy, in 2022, he finally won the World Cup as the best player in the tournament and produced one of the best World Cup campaigns I've ever seen and he's gotten his flowers and there are some who think he's the best ever player to have played the game and despite the fact that he finally got the one trophy that has been in his head for a decade, there are still some critics. Some call the World Cup rigged, say that Argentina got lucky and won because of penalties and I can't believe that the biggest event in all of football, a tournament that's once every 4 years any player dreams of winning the most prestigious trophy in football, it's crazy that the World Cup is now a 7 game tournament and that's nonsense. The penalty for Argentina memes are funny, but with obvious logic Lionel Messi produced magic at the World Cup, the great goal from outside the box against Mexico, the goal against Australia, the assist against the Netherlands, that assist against Croatia where he sent Josko Gvardiol out for a spin, and more importantly the 2 goals he scored against France in the World Cup final to win his country the World Cup, the dribbles he completed and chances he created, yet people attribute his World Cup performances down to penalties and say they got lucky and call it a 7 game tournament, Lionel Messi was able to do all that stuff on the biggest stage of football at 35 and he's achieved so much greatness and it's also down to longevity as well. He's received a lot of stupid criticism throughout his career and that hasn't stopped him from achieving so much and being the greatest player in the history of football.
👏👏👏👏👏‼👏👏New to football, thanks for the great comment. I love Messi
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Most of the haters are Ronaldo fans and he has never won the 7 game tournament.
Messi haters are annoying. They always invent new excuses to discredit his achievements.
"Rigged" "fifa boy" "robbed" shut the fuck up
stop bullyng my pidol crispianoraptor penaldosaurus rex
@@MrBruh-yb9qibro please don't put penaldo against the Goat T-Rex
@@MrBruh-yb9qiok thats a good one 😂
Another point to consider is that during Messi's PRIME, LA LIGA was the best competition and not the PREMIER LEAGUE. So this argument is baseless
Big fact.
I’m a Messi fan he didn’t even have win the World Cup. Be the greatest of all time
Exactly bud. Most goals without pens = Messi. Most assists: = Messi. Most G/A = Messi. Most individual trophies = Messi. Most team trophies = Messi.
Most of that was achieved already before world cup. What else he need to prove???
@@KodxQ8 yes but you know every players dream is achieve world cup and also messis dream was also achieving the best trophy for his national team and he loose every world cup thats why ronaldo fans always blamed messi but now he won the world cup and for me he is the G.O.A.T
Agree but you know the blind media and the other people who isn’t fan of Messi needed to open the eyes and wc did that but some don’t want to admit so good that him and Argentina team won, realistically debate ended in 2012 after the 91 goals and I think 22 assist just that alone is an unmatched stat.
Well to sum up how Ronaldo fans think: Yesterday I saw a video asking people in the comments who is the best playmaker. A lot of people said Ronaldo. While in the reality Ronaldo isn’t even top 10 in the number of assists. So we can’t argue with a fanbase that can’t separate reality and imagination. Messi is the greatest of all time without a debate!
He was already the biggest, but that photo of him holding both WC and Golden Ball... just makes him unquestionable. Consagrado. Eternal.
When I’m having a “Messi Vs Any other player” argument if they use the word “Rigged” I say, cool and stop talking to them 😂😂😂
It’s pointless!
You're so right. It's slander to call the WC rigged. They shld be sued.
Respect + for you , just imagine saying messi's not the goat because he haven't won euros 😂
yeah bro fax
ikr and bro ronaldo has never won the copa america!
Those who say Penalty for Argentina!should remember the pressure of a penalty.Remember Harry Kane who is a prolific penalty taker missed for England at an important moment while Messi converted.Most of the people who say these type of things are Ronaldo fans...but for as long as I remember Ronaldo fans were trolling Messi for not being able to score penalties before WC and now that he has won it they are screaming Penalty For Argentina!
Go ask the teams why they fouled Argentine players inside their own penalty box!If u cannot cope!
Exactly
I agree but I still say penalty for Argentina cuz it’s funny ngl
messi was also the most fouled player of wc 2022
Great channel with great content and topics.
Glad you enjoy it!
In all 3 international trophy messi was best player of tournament..i remember before 2021 cr7 fans used to troll by saying source: international trophy in every argument..😂😂
Source: Ronaldo's World Cup
Best Playmaker of all time (5x IFFH'S Worlds best playmaker ,8x league top assist provider ,4x Copa America top assist provider ,2x UCL top assist provider ,Most assists in history of Football).
Best Scorer of all time (6x European Golden Shoe , 8x Pichichi's , 1x Copa America Golden Boot , 6x UCL top scorer).
Best Dribbler of all time (3079 succesful dribbles). Most in history of Football.
Best Player of all time (Most MOTM performances in history of WC/CopaAmerica/UCL/LaLiga).
This! Not to mention he is the only player to have 2 wc golden ball for best player, olympic gold,
u-20 world champion, mvp and top scorer and 3 x copa america mvp. Those who say Ronaldo is better or even at Messis level are clueless and rather Instagram fans than football fans.
That'swhy he's the GOAT and why Mbappe is not the best player in the world.
Love your analysis...keep it up
Me too!
I've seen some very stupid Lionel Messi takes and the criticism he's dealt with despite being the world for a decade and has 7 Ballon Dors to his name. If Lionel Messi ever played in the premier league, he'd make it a farmers' league if he was in his peak, and in the champions league, some of his best individual moments came against English opposition, the hattrick against Manchester City, he beat Manchester United in a UCL final twice a team that dominated the league under Sir Alex Ferguson, in the second leg against Liverpool, they crumbled but in that first leg, he singlehandedly won that game for Barcelona that free kick goal was something else and at his peak even without proving it in the premier league, he's still better than Cristiano Ronaldo and he's had that premier league agenda throughout his career and for me Lionel Messi doesn't have to prove himself by being able to produce in the premier league.
So right you are. Well said.
I really like and appreciate your videos. Keep it up bro.
God bless Messi, grant him health and more success.
Keep up the good work mate 👍👍👏👏
Thank you for the support really appreciate it 🤝
The whole Messi can't win without Xavi and Iniesta is so stupid, because after they left domestically Barcelona were still winning La Liga, 2016, 2018, and 2019 and in that same period his striker partner Neymar left and Lionel Messi was responsible in carrying that Barcelona team still winning titles and without Xavi and Iniesta, he managed to win 2 more Ballon Dors and could win another one this year. Barcelona during his final years without those 2, they looked average and one thing remained certain for them, Lionel Messi's brilliance and his impact is beyond the goals, assists, dribbling, chances created, he was responsible for 85% of their attack and I'm not surprised that after he left Barcelona have been in Europa League in the last 2 seasons. When they collapsed against Roma in 2018 after leading by 3 goals, Liverpool in 2019 after leading by 3 goals, and that embarrassing 8-2 defeat to Bayern Munich, none of this is down to not being able to perform in the champions league without Xavi and Iniesta, or Messi himself, the whole team around him was awful and it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that whenever they played a top team they'd get destroyed. It's not just the club where he shushed those haters. For Argentina, he was criticized for not winning anything on the international stage and despite his club success, he was missing an international trophy and since 2021 he's won 3 trophies and finally won the World Cup and his country had the right system, and Lionel Messi strutted his stuff, "can't win without Xavi and Iniesta" yet right that's one of the stupidest statements I've ever heard, and in order to win trophies you need proper players, in a different system with different types of players, he shut his critics up for his country and whoever is his teammate whether it was Neymar, Luis Suarez, Xavi, Andres Iniesta, etc, Lionel Messi still has his personal success and collective success.
You are so right!
Ezt kellene kiemelni. De úgy látszik, nem pártatlanok és nem értenek hozzá!
Very good. Finally, s.o who knows football, and doesn't just talk in the air.
fax Messi is simply of the greatest player of all time
First of all budy, update your Argentina t shirt, it's 3 stars now
For me, having a 2-star argentina kit is a nice callback of back then when we belived, we suffered and we supported until we won... still, the third star feels just so nice to wear
Its copa America jersey 2021. That's why
Well said.
Love MESSI forever❤❤
Messi is the Greatest of all time it's no wonder he is the most hated player ever
It's so sad that so many pple can't appreciate his quality and are envious or jealous of him. But it was always thus with geniuses. Never mind, Messi will not be forgotten and his haters will be forgotten if they're lucky and laughingstocks if they're not.
Nice jk Cr7 is 10x more hated than messi all the media loves messi not cr7
@@muradranjha4478 You didn't read the French media; they were awful to him, espl. L'Equipe. And the Argentine media when try as he might he couldn't give them the WC. ESPN is unjust too.
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yes but if cr7 started his career in real mardid like messi one club wonder his stats will be much higher Cuz messi been with barcelona and know his teammates really well so that stupid takes to argue about it both the GOATs never ending debate
@@muradranjha4478not Messi's fault Ronaldo didn't get a big club like messi when he was young.
Its litterly proved messi is better. Because imagine at a young age you are selected by a big club. Also it is really hard to get a European club when you are in south America. Players like Neymar, vini, enzo are selected in the European team after they are proved in the south American league.
@@muradranjha4478Also how is the GOAT debate not ended?
Messi won the world cup.
On the other hand cr7 couldn't even perform in wc knockout stage in 5 wc.
How on earth you can hate someone like Messi, don’t get it at all, those haters got a serious problem
love your videos, mate. Keep it up. 💪💪
Imagine being so good you can score a header, against arguably that years best goalkeeper, against arguably one of the best man United sides ever.
While being 5’7
I agree with you Messi the real goat in the future he will get Super Ballon d’Or probably on 2023 or 2025
Don't forget When Ronaldo fans say Messi doesn't have puskas?😂
Well said!
this assumes that these folks are being fair in their argument which they are obviously not
After Messi won the World Cup, the most idotic thing I heard from his haters is that the World Cup is only a "7-game tournament", worth the same and is easier to win than the UCL. WTF?
At club football, players train with each other daily, thus have great understanding of one another and their team's strategy; and wealthy clubs can spend millions on the transfer market to strengthen their squad and hire amazing coaches. National teams don't have those luxuries. They can only manage with what they have, , not to mention the team will change drastically after every 4 years. A good, united squad, a suitable coach and, yes, luck...a lot of luck are all required to win a continental tournament, leave along the World Cup.
Take Qatar 2022, for example. Star-studded teams like Germany, Belgium, Brazil, England and Portugal have failed (and even 4-time champion and current European champion Italy failed to qualify), yet a mediocre Argentina side (on paper, at least) has managed to win, the whole thing despite losing their first game. Then we have guys like Ronaldo, Modric, Bales, Lewandowsky or Haaland, who have or might win multiple UCL's but will never get their hand on the World Cup.
You're right about everything but calling this Argentina side mediocre. They haven't lost a game (except for that weird Saudi game) since 2019. They play as a team for Messi.
@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 I said "on paper". Argentina was one of the contenders because of their unbeaten streak, but their squad cannot compare to that of England, France, Brazil and Portugal, that's why they winning odds was only 5th. Most casual fans can only name Messi, Di Maria, Lautaro and Emi Martinez while the rest of the squad was much less-known.
And yes, they won because they played as a team for Messi.
@@ntkhoa2227 Well, they're well known now. Alvarez, McAllister, etc. are famous now.
@@ntkhoa2227 OK
Top gear football knowledge thanks bro really enjoy the content keep up the good work
dont forget that statistically messi is twice the player ronaldo was using VAEP statistical model. also dr ian graham, liverpool director of research said similar things. more or less he said messi and ronaldo is world class scorer but messi also world class attacking midfielder. messi magnitude on the game simply greater. ronaldo does 1 job briliantly, messi does 2 jobs briliantly.
ronaldo is amazing player no doubt about it but messi is anomaly.
VAEP is underrated and almost no one knows about it
@@Dinozor3 Sports science in evaluating a plethora of stats, dribbles, passes, key passes, key chances, shots on target, duels won, vision, heat map etc. has concluded that Messi is THREE TIMES BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE.
Lionelmessi is the best all time greatest versatile unbeatable football player in the world all the best #LM10.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thanks 👍 you should be in sky sports analysing because you are very good
That’s the dream man, thank you for your support
I like that one my brother, yes one team but different coaches 😂😂 I love messi
When Messi retires from football another great depression will happen so enjoy each and every moment of happiness the goat brings until then 😊
Why are you wearing the “two star” ALBICELESTE shirt. ?????
Bro u kinda look like Ilkay Gundogan ❤
Playing against an English team in the champions league vs playing for an English side in the premier is very different
God bless you sir ❤❤❤
Never heard these arguments before, what are you talking abt
Messi hates premier league... He always destroy them.
Bros wearing an Argentina shirt 🤣💀
Not just any jersey, the 🐐 name is on the back 😋
@@pedtalkssports Maradona?
@@7Ben_MiamiMiniyo mama
@@7Ben_MiamiMini😂
deci q son menores pero sino a los que quemaron la camiseta hay que sacarle la nacionalidad. muy bueno el video
Very good demo that messii has demolished epl teams in champions league
Messi is the GOAT period
They can use it all they want but I will just smile because I will sung a song
WINNER TAKES IT ALL
THE LOSER’S STANDING SMALL
BESIDE THE VICTORY
THAT’S “HIS” DESTINY
😅❤😂😅❤😂😅❤😂🎉
If you look at what really matters which is in game performance Messi was the goat by the end of 2009.
Yep, he passes the eye test with flying colours
Bro tbh CR7 Messi art the best player in history they have the most trophies but there one player better then him even Maradona side it him self his name is magico Gonzalez he play in the worst team in la liga he was in Cadiz he played El Salvador he was so good those years he played were Cadiz end El Salvador best years also he only played for fun that why he did want to play in psg other he drag El Salvador to the wrold cup ppl thought just with magico they will manage to make it round of 16 he also beat psg El Salvador friendly 3-1 with just magico he beat Mexico
Ronaldo fans can't talk again in my country
The goat!
Messi is the e goat, but in my opinion he didn’t deserve that 8 balón do oro
no one dont think he is not the goat dont be fooled
Messi is the real goat
NO ONE BELIEVE THAT MESSI IS NOT THE GOAT HIS ALL HIS HATERS KNOWS WELL THEY DONT FEEL HE IS NOT THE GOAT THEY JUST CANT ACCEPT IT THATS ALL. SO NOTHING ABOUT THE FEEL HE IS NOT THE BEST.
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Messi isnt the goat because he hasnt won the all mighty puskas award which is totally not a micky mouse award 😂
Says every messi fan
because those are true logical arguments, unlike penaldo fanboys who spit bullshit every time
So yesterday I accidentally broke the speed limit on one of the roads in my area. I was being fined by the police. I had to pay a penalty. As soon as I took out my wallet, Pristiano Penaldo dived in and stole my wallet, thinking it had a penalty that he could use to statpad
@@MrBruh-yb9qilol Leandro pensi 😂😂
Bad take:
Messi had all those awards with Barca a team he grew up in, the goal per game stat is a stupid comparison because by that logic Bican is the greatest of all time. Ronaldo stopped dribbling by choice at some point he was the bet dribbler in the world. Messi struggled at PSG and for anyone that wants to come out and say he had assists but Messi at barca had both goals and assists. Ronaldo done it in Prem, Serie and Liga. Messi only has like 2 goals more than Ronaldo in Europe. Completing football at 35 doesn't make your case, because by that reasoning Alvarez is better than Messi because he completed ball at 23.
Messi would struggle in the prem and for your thing of Messi scored a certain number of goals against Prem teams doesn't count because he done it with Barca.
Messi is a Barca player under Koeman he struggled because Koeman wasn't playing the Barca system so your argument for he can do it with different coaches is also bs.
Messi has 3 Ballon d'Ors he didn't deserve to Ronaldo's one.
Country argument also doesn't have any ground Messi has always been playing with top stars while Ronaldo only had Pepe.
This is just sad. Ronaldo could never dribble like Messi.
@@maxmartin2995 Go do your research.
1. remove team trophies and messi is better with more golden shoes, ballon d’ors, more goal contributions, better peak and player of the tournament awards
2. “doesn’t count because he done it with barcelona” is so lazy and its basically the same as the first reason, saying its all his team. cristiano without real madrid has 1 ucl, messi without barcelona has 1 world cup, and 1 world cup is better than 1 ucl
3. portugal had a higher squad worth and more players in top leagues than argentina going into the world cup. the fact that messi carried while cristiano got benched has nothing to do with their teamates
4. messi is the only one to complete football AND have insane numbers AND insane ratio. alveraz doesnt have the stats and bican doesn’t have the trophies. STOP TRYING TO CHERRY-PICK ITS SO OBVIOUS AND SO SAD
5. in summary, you are a salty loser in the wrong 😁
@@kennafootballWell Ronaldo said he wanted to dribble the whole team and score was a dream.
But it still a dream for him.
Remember that 36 head on head messi vs Ronaldo
Messi has more goals more assists
More wins
And still people can't shut their mouth. What a bunch of cry babies.
And Ronaldo also said he values gooden boot over d'or
And guess what messi has more
He even siad i will trade my ucl for wc
It is the the dream of his career.
And messi won it.
Ronaldo fans : it's a 7 match game ronaldo teammate sucked
But but you're the people who cry Ronaldo carried the team.
Messi is nothing without his team.
And why he fail to carry he had Chance's and even international victories Ronaldo wasn't always the best part if the victory meanwhile. Messi is the best in wc best in copa..
There’s no way you said Ronaldo is a better dribbler, also stop acting like Ronaldo didn’t join a Juventus who has won the série a 7 seven times before he joined, and also that he was surrounded by some of the best players in man united, also saying some shit like that Ronaldo only had Pepe in his country is stupid, did you not see who Ronaldo had in his team 2022 wc squad he had Ruben Dias, Pepe, Bernardo Silva, Rafael Leo, Cancelo, nuno mendes, Joao Félix, and what let me guess, your gonna say that he didn’t deserve the 2010, 2019, 2021, and 2023, I’ll show you stats to show that he deserved those balon dor, also don’t act like Ronaldo deserved the 2013 balon dor
Bro said alot of nothing.
lol
penaldo fannboy spotted
So yesterday I accidentally broke the speed limit on one of the roads in my area. I was being fined by the police. I had to pay a penalty. As soon as I took out my wallet, Pristiano Penaldo dived in and stole my wallet, thinking it had a penalty that he could use to statpad
Ok puskas? Tap in marchant always have great manager🔥
Crynaldo fan crying again 🤣
Ronaldo said: My dream goal is to dribble through every defender and the goalkeeper and score.
Messi done it.
Ronaldo: Golden boot is better than the Ballon d’Or
Messi has 6 golden boots and Ronaldo 4
Ronaldo: My dream is to have the most Ballon d’Ors in history.
Messi has 8 and Ronaldo only 5
And also if Messi wins the puskas the shameless fan base would start calling it rigged and cry again 🤣
2015 he got robbed