Never forget Lavar said this first. Like he said. Lonzo was never injured training with him. He said these players don’t get pushed hard enough. Not training the body hard enough to push your body pass those normal limits that separate you from the amateurs.
Daddy Ball had those kids going at it in the backyard hard on concrete. Also daddy Ball fed them pancakes and cereal carbs. Their protein came from McDonalds during high school off campus lunch breaks. Add that with poorly built shoes for real athletes. Over all, Ball Boys got by on being young and talented but when u get to the League your body is tested. Daddy failed those boys ob training and nutrition. Facts!!
@@aarons2148I think you missed the point where Gil’s Arena and this comment we are replying to said that players nowadays aren’t training ENOUGH. They aren’t even pushing their bodies to half their limits because they barely train. Then they don’t want to play and load manage, then try and push their bodies when their bodies aren’t ready leading to injuries and everything
@wehttam6988 actually PROVES my point. This ain't high school, they play 82 games and those boys git by on talent not built to sustain the long haul....
As a trainer, I 100% agree. All that drill work over the summer does not replicate the insane in-game movements. Now that we are a few weeks into the season their muscles have broken down in large part imo they did not ramp up
For sure, I definitely think a lack of strength training and proper techniques to target large and small fibers is a key contributor. I dont think these athletes lift enough, getting pushed beyond the perceived limit especially as a professional athlete.
I like what Kenyon Martin said; you get paid to be in shape. They keep getting hurt because they’re not in shape! You can’t cheat the game, if you try to cheat the game you will get spanked!
You bitch ass niggas in these comments can't dribble a fucking ball. Injuries are apart of sports. They not supposed to act like they not hurt to please dumb ass niggas who live thru them
I’m with McCants on this one, just doing resistance bands and body weight exercises don’t make you more durable for a long season. You have to build the muscle to protect the tendons from unpredictable movements that only can happen in game. Too often do we see “star” players injured early in the season because trainers train them as though they’re already in peak basketball shape while they lack core mobility and strength. But like McCants said, when you didn’t have a respectable career everyone invalidates your advice.
They just aren’t hoopers anymore. They’re manufactured, social media based, marketable basketball players. They aren’t hoopers. Maybe you have a handful of hoopers left. But the rest ..
I forgot who told me but when I was younger playing sports some mf said to me "there's a difference between an athlete and a baller".. The league now is just mostly overly privileged athletes on payroll..
Much more respect to LeBron in regards on this matter… 22 years and his worst injury was that groin, high ankle sprain or foot injury. I can’t remember which injury had him out longer. But still… Respect.
Completely different and this is you narritave seeding. He's upset he's getting it in practice and you're using this incident to define his attitude and work ethic. Totally unfair regardless of what he produces in game.
Kenyon is right. They most likely spend the majority of their time in the Sit Down position. Joystick playing video games and not enough moving around outside of practice and game play.
Haven’t watched the video yet, but I can tell you it’s probably the same reason nfl players are getting hurt more, teams don’t practice as much and nowhere near as intense, so their muscles are not conditioned enough for all the contact and explosive movements.
There's been numerous articles too that have stated that the grind of AAU is causing players to have major injuries even before they make it to the NBA. It's also said that over-specialization is contributing as well, and that playing multiple sports as an adolescent is better for your body in the longer run.
Nope, they all too strong and fast. That's why people floating over to WNBA. Basketball was invented with court and hoop height, for white boys maybe 6'2" at tallest. there isn't any room to "play" basketball anymore.
@BenMaslow-n5xno one cares if you miss work. You do NOTHING people will pack an arena to pay to see. Stop comparing your REGULAR job to ELITE athletes.
another part is that today's game is a shooting game. Less people driving to the paint and getting contact. Fact that people are still getting more hurt is the lack of hardening their body.
“lack of hardening the body” you fools got them injured in the first place. If anything they over exert themselves from very young nowadays and make more lateral moves in modern play styles.
Just my take. Athletes need to play multiple sports. Young athletes need to just play period. This is what I have heard from coaches from D1 down to youth. Too many of them only do their sport. Even Lebron played football. Also, majority of athletes have horrible eating habits.
Someone said it but B4 me but not only what u said but how much time they spend sitting down playing video games. Back in the day that literally didn't exist. That's why their Hammy's are soo tight. And after practice/games instead of waking it off and moving they go straight to the screen and sit. Over time that takes it's toll.
Teams are at fault too. Pelicans before the season couple years ago making the rookies eat hot dogs, they bringing ice cream to the facility. Should be grilling skirt steak and cutting watermelon. I mean they probably have Gatorade in their cooler during the game!
The answer to avoid injuries is *more*, not less. It’s counterintuitive but it’s true. Your body adjusts to the level of stress it gets put through. If the game itself is the highest level of stress, you have to match that level in practice consistently so that your body is used to it. If you aren’t working at near-game level when the season starts, odds are you’re gonna get injured.
Facts.. I respect anybody who got the privilege to sit on an nba teams bench idc how many minutes you played, you were in the top 500 humans in the world at what you do
Easy fix. Ask MJ, Bron, and John Stockton what workouts they did and copy that. Then ask Grant Hill, T Mac, Brandon Roy, and Greg Oden what workouts they did and do the opposite.
@@11Suncerethey mainly suffered minor injuries. Jordan broke his foot and bron strained his groin but other than some ankle sprains and sore knees they have been relatively healthy. Just look at how many times Jordan played at least 80 games and all the miles on LeBron legs.
k mart & mccant i agree completely because I remember playing high school football and even during basketball season. Those two days would be tough, but they would most definitely work because dudes weren't getting hurt with muscle injuries. They may get physically injured due to other stuff a muscle straits and all this ridiculousness wouldn't exist, and even now that transition to boxingdoesn't allow to have soft tissue injuries, but for some reason, people believe less practic equals better health, which is crazy
They also don’t really lift weights either. The stuff they’re doing is straight bs…but it’s “sports science”. Man in college during preseason conditioning we’d have individual workouts at 5am every day, then come back in the afternoon and have REAL weightlifting Monday-Thursday, then go on the track or soccer field IMMEDIATELY AFTER weights and run until we were throwing up…then had to play pick-up for 2 hrs straight after that…FOR SIX WEEKS STRAIGHT. Man my senior year I had 4.1% body fat going into the season. Only injury I had was getting poked in the eye
@@RichOvernight_ I completely agree with you that's my point like why are they playing more games than actual practice? What it should be is just practice and that's it. They should not be playing all these AU games all these damn tournaments all year round ended ended up destroying the human body. It's absolutely ridiculous.
@@joebucketsTV they lift weights. The problem is is that all these trainers are treat them incorrectly and because of that they're literally putting unnecessary strength into the human body and destroy destroying themselves.
Most skilled how? Being allow to break the rules ? Carries double step back? Euro steps? They called travel if someone did a damn euro step .. the game is not more skilled more BS is tolerated
I don’t understand how players now are being paid more and playing less games than the people in the 90s. If a star plays 82 games that’s so shocking these days . They just want the money and don’t really wanna do what’s making them the money
Too many earlier era players superstars didn't flex they muscle. They took the upfront money. New era put business before team loyalty. I don't blame. Even MJ had to fight for money
@ true, and imagine if they had to pay the players based off of the market valuation of the team they play for, you’d see guys making hundreds of millions in any given year
Playing on a pulled hamstring at the beginning of an 82 game season isn’t smart though. You’re just going to make it worse. These guys are 100% correct. They aren’t practicing enough.
That's because y'all same 1s wanting them to play they injury will be the same 1s that say no excuses for playing bad because if you can get on the court, then you can play. These dudes ain't about to let y'all force them to play thru injury and then not be able to stand at 45 and live normal lives.
Why don’t they ever talk about how playing AAU is destroying these dudes bodies early. We all know playing 5-8 games in a weekend is not good. Then when they get to the league the bodies are already tore up
Very few people eat healthy, food is literally garbage now. Comparing the same time periods, 90's and early 00's to now people in general are more unhealthy than ever.
@@Ntegritty Exactly. Its. Back in the 80s and 90s lifestyle in general promoted healthier meals but the family model was still in tact so families put an emphasis on sitting down with their children for dinner a the meals were typically healthy which helped kids grow and develop properly. Now you have guys LEGO are generic freaks that can perform on skittles and gummies but their ligaments and tendons are being fueled with amino acids and nutrients more likely to cause tears.
@@furiousrobinson I don't think you understand how PED's work Lmao that's not something you take to keep your body intact overtime especially in a sport like basketball. If anything, it breaks it down quicker
@@hc2777no tf he didn’t and lebron was investigated by the feds and the league AND THEY FOUND NOTHING. Lebron has never drink a soda in 20 years and he constantly lifts weights and drinks water and doesn’t smoke weed. You lazy men know nothing about that discipline
Playing one sport instead of 2 or 3 like previous generations is a very big reason as well… these kids specializing in 1 sport from the start, don’t develop using different muscles that can help you in other sports. Basketball is especially hard running up and down hardwood all the time, so many former/current players with leg injuries.
These guys are speaking facts on this episode. The athletes today may make more $$$, have a little more talent and have more Science and Technology but they still soft. Older athletes trained like warriors (as they said 2 a days) like they were going to battle. You rarely heard of guys in the 90’s with these soft tissue injuries - hamstrings, calf strains, abdominal strains and back spasm bc they trained like they were going to play. Training was so tough - that we were happy to play multiple games in a week bc games were easy.
Slides. All these kids today wear is slides. I don’t think people understand the simple things we do is what keeps our boys healthy. A full walking motion vs sliding your feet when you walk. Today young people stay in the house and play video games, sleep. When I was young we were always outside riding bikes, running and playing sports every day all day. We ate real food today they call organic. We didn’t drink soda all the time full of sugar. I remember drinking water a lot because we were outside and my grandmother had a cup and we run on the faucet. Get a drink and go back to playing or what ever we were doing. We played every sport almost every day. We had video games. We would play for about an hour and back outside. I see kids walking as slow as an 80 year old man. I see no muscle definition at all. The bottom line. Kids aren’t using their bodies like we did. As a result they are prone to injuries.
It’s November man. They gotta relax more. This the videogame generation. Them boys played videogames and no outdoors from 1999 til 2023. Headshot carjacking shooter videogames.
I agree wholeheartedly with EVERYTHING these dude are spitting out. I've been personal training athletes and weekend warriors for 32+ yrs and todays athletes and the training is NOT getting players bodies to the level they need for competition. The mental softness has led to their physically soft /unprepared bodies.
@@20dieuxYeah those numbers are so exaggerated. People act like low single digit body fat is common. Most people have never seen it in person. Heck you go to a beach with 12% and you're almost certainly the leanest person there.
I got to comment on this topic. I played college ball in the 90's in Canada. Back on our day, we practiced at least 2 times a day. Weights in the morning, practice in the afternoon after classes. Our training was hard core!! Practicing with bricks in our hands during defense drills, running up and down the courts doing suicides, etc... During my career the only thing I had was twisted ankles and we still played through our pain. I hate to say it but my opinion of these players nowadays are not great!!! Maybe am old school but the fundamentals of the game is lost!! I don't see the dedication to the game! These over privilege players don't have the same drive as we did back in the day. Not to get it twisted, their are a handful of great players out there but the times are different now compared how we played in the 90's. If you didn't play defense, your not getting on the court. Plain and simple!
It's not Zions weight.. it's the fact he's 6 foot 5 and doesn't attempt jumpshots.. everything is a drive to the basket.. him being more athletic than everyone ain't gonna last to long he's gonna have to learn to SHOOT
@Rswishhh it's 2024 .. never seen zion attempt a fade away jump .. a turn around jumpshot.. a step back jumper.. nothing.. nothing but dunks layups and putbacks.. he's working way to hard on offense
I played overseas, and we had two a days all pre season. Only injuries we had were ankle sprains, and even that wasnt common. Pre season we were conditioning on the court and runs through forest mountains. Body was built tough as nails when the season came
3:38 It’s interesting how LeBron is 40 still playing at a high level and never been hurt his whole career but guys half his age is injured all the time something doesn’t add up. Some of these injuries gotta be cap and excuses to not play all 82 games k mart is right y’all professional athletes getting paid $100’s of millions to just play basketball it’s really no excuse especially if bron is 40 and still going strong 🤦🏾♂️
@@upfulsoul826 what injuries and when ? He never broke nothing or tore anything I’m talking about serious injuries someone his age should be on the decline by now but he’s still playing and looks like he’s got a few more years left
@@upfulsoul826he’s never been hurt like that unless someone has literally caused his injury , for example Solomon Hill. But he’s never been out for multiple months apart from the Solomon hill incident..
these niggas hopped all they life why wait to the NBA to not want to hoop? y’all really think these niggas don’t want to hoop? you niggas must havent hooped before. I find it funny how you niggas just think y’all know it all! and stop comparing eveybody who get hurt to lebron it’s dumb bruh name somebody else who never been hurt beside lebron out the entirety of EVERYBODY OF THE NBA.
This podcast is one of the BEST that I’ve seen. The level of insight and expertise is great for listening to sports talk. Now can someone explain why this guy has the bat and crown? I thought it was a Halloween costume a couple months ago.
There’s a reason Andre Miller never got a major injury. He kept his feet on the ground so I’m assuming the step back jumpers are the cause. It’s an unnatural movement and a lot of pressure on the legs.
17:46 Gil says to call saints medical staff & ask them what to do with Zion....can someone tell him that the saints medical staff used to work for the pelicans too.... and they're gone now because they couldn't keep AD healthy and he left.
@ I want you to think that comment thru one more time and try again. They couldn't keep AD healthy, so they were fired. Do you understand? Why would they get a call for help with Zion, who's more injury prone, when they have not shown an ability to handle NBA players? Doesn't matter if Zion or AD were built like a soccer player, or a ballerina, saints staff has already had a chance and failed
Ever since Gregg popovich had Kawhi Leonard in his second year resting with the vets ( duncan, parker) I knew everything was going in the wrong direction
lol you damn right. Ppl forget that the spurs started load management because of their much older players who by then already proved themselves with multiple championships and longevity. Once they started letting ppl in their 20s sit out it was only a matter of time. How the fuck are dudes out of shape at 22? And anyone who calls it out gets labeled a hater or boomer.
@ you might not be aware but plenty of players are sitting out with strained fingers and other bs reasons which is known as load management. You also have players outright admitting they aren’t doing back to backs anymore. Players who haven’t won anything. My point is that the spurs started kid managing after they’ve already won 3 rings.
He literally got hurt in the play-in game against the Lakers last 3 minutes… he wasn’t hurt all season. If Brandon Ingram didn’t get hurt before the playoffs they aren’t even in the playin scenario. Kawhi played 68 games last year and was top seed in the west before Russ broke his hand. Then kawhi had to play more and got hurt. Maybe watch games before talking out your ass.
So only players get penalized for getting hurt? Caochws don't get penalized for losing. GM's don't get punished for bad trades and picks they still get paid right?
82 game seasons on body's that dont have 3 to 4 years of college strength and conditioning and the added rest rest that comes from a 30 game college season as a base
Injuries are quite complicated. We often speculate on certain factors that can possibly contribute to what lead to an injury. Weight/body composition(diet and nutrition), tissue and joint health, training style and volume, genetic pre-disposition, pre-existing injuries, recovery methods number of practices and games played over the season and years. It may not be whether one is training hard enough or not, but is the athlete focusing on the right things. Think of all those as buckets or characteristics. What's the biggest limiting factor(s) is athlete focusing on that. You want nice well rounded across all buckets. Injuries happen when tissue loading exceeds tissue tolerance or capacity. Bridges have a load capacity. Tissues have a load capacity. Is the capacity of the tissue high or low? Is the loading on the tissue appropriate? We also often teach athletes on how to primarily produce force, but how about absorb force? All those factors contribute to what the body can absorb from a force perspectice without exceeding it's tolerance or capacity. Yeah I prolly need to stop before I write a novel
These players workout too much these days and don’t recover enough or properly. But I feel like their workout are what’s wrong, like they’re doing the wrong things. Not enough scrimmages and too much stuff in the weight room and spot shooting. And also what they do after practice as well where they don’t do anything. Probably drive around and sit around.
I have a thought(s). The NBA has sped the game up and made rules that take away from being as physical when there was hand-checking. That means athletes have to come to a stop on their on volition versus being stopped vertically from encountering physical contact. Players are sacrificing building muscle for the sake of increasing speed. The other thing is that players are working with trainers in the off-season too much versus taking a break and not resting twice as much. One more thing. By the time players get to college, they have already played a professional career. You got college players and 3-4 year NBA players getting injuries that Mr. Arenas, Mr. Martin, and the other hosts should get if they were go hoop right now. That being said, it’s also the things that these guys have said in this podcast. Appreciate you guys.
this is A1..back when I played varsity our training camp was ABSOLUTE HELL...we had a teacher whose son was on the team...he was a Marine vet and said he NEVER saw anything like our hell weeks... face-planting at lunch into our food type exhausted...but guess what...the season was downhill...best shape very few if any injuries outside of a twisted ankle...
Did Kenyon say it’s not the weight. Of course it’s his damn weight. He went from 320 to 284. That’s not enough weight loss. He has to be smaller. Zion needs to get down to 260
@@poloregalare you slow? That’s not a natural body weight for him, he would have to be dehydrated at that weight lol. He can only go down to max 260-265
All you gotta do is make it d1 and you set for life. Money ruined competition but I’m happy my brothers getting paid. 100 million just to never win a championship 🔥
I do think that pace also plays a role. The higher speed of the game and the amount of guys that are trying to be explosive means that players are planting their feet harder and at crazier angles these days causing a bunch of lower body injuries. I also think that some guys that are more injury prone are tolerated more now. Like, if you didn't play as much 30 years ago because you were injured all the time, you straight up would never have made it as a pro for the most part. But now, teams work with injury prone players that are highly talented more than they would have in previous eras.
It’s similar to how special forces train their bodies in the military. You have to build the body up to the point where your aerobic and muscular endurance is top tier. Because there are no injury”time-outs” on the battlefield. You have to endure the pain until you return to home base safely.
Part of it is the pace of the game now. The game hardly ever slows down, so there’s way more movement required. In Kenyon’s day, they played in the post.
Was comparing this in basketball to football (soccer) recently. In soccer, you train together so much, you know every left footer on the team, speed, strengths, weaknesses etc. Thats not the case in basketball
Never forget Lavar said this first. Like he said. Lonzo was never injured training with him. He said these players don’t get pushed hard enough. Not training the body hard enough to push your body pass those normal limits that separate you from the amateurs.
Straight facts
Which is why I never respected when lonzo blamed the shoes putting the final nail in the coffin of BBB
Daddy Ball had those kids going at it in the backyard hard on concrete. Also daddy Ball fed them pancakes and cereal carbs. Their protein came from McDonalds during high school off campus lunch breaks. Add that with poorly built shoes for real athletes. Over all, Ball Boys got by on being young and talented but when u get to the League your body is tested. Daddy failed those boys ob training and nutrition. Facts!!
@@aarons2148I think you missed the point where Gil’s Arena and this comment we are replying to said that players nowadays aren’t training ENOUGH. They aren’t even pushing their bodies to half their limits because they barely train. Then they don’t want to play and load manage, then try and push their bodies when their bodies aren’t ready leading to injuries and everything
@wehttam6988 actually PROVES my point. This ain't high school, they play 82 games and those boys git by on talent not built to sustain the long haul....
As a trainer, I 100% agree. All that drill work over the summer does not replicate the insane in-game movements. Now that we are a few weeks into the season their muscles have broken down in large part imo they did not ramp up
A lot of athletes nowadays don’t realize workouts are like calluses to the body. Yea it hurt but it makes it tougher
Same thing happens in the NFL too.
For sure, I definitely think a lack of strength training and proper techniques to target large and small fibers is a key contributor. I dont think these athletes lift enough, getting pushed beyond the perceived limit especially as a professional athlete.
@@BoloYoung85 what's the evidence?
@@BoloYoung85I agree. Look at the NBA in the early to mid 2000s, you see how buff basketball players were compared to now.
I like what Kenyon Martin said; you get paid to be in shape. They keep getting hurt because they’re not in shape! You can’t cheat the game, if you try to cheat the game you will get spanked!
So Ja not in shape?
They don't care. Once they get the bag they'll do just enough to get by.
You bitch ass niggas in these comments can't dribble a fucking ball. Injuries are apart of sports. They not supposed to act like they not hurt to please dumb ass niggas who live thru them
@@xDaPrincexobviously not
@@x0M3GAxand that's a buster mentality
I’m with McCants on this one, just doing resistance bands and body weight exercises don’t make you more durable for a long season. You have to build the muscle to protect the tendons from unpredictable movements that only can happen in game. Too often do we see “star” players injured early in the season because trainers train them as though they’re already in peak basketball shape while they lack core mobility and strength. But like McCants said, when you didn’t have a respectable career everyone invalidates your advice.
He’s my all time favorite Tar Heel idc what he says about his time there. He was the baddest mf
Definitely one of his more logical takes
1000% right the workout wiht the bande the new generational trainer think they are gineus old school workout is the best
They just aren’t hoopers anymore. They’re manufactured, social media based, marketable basketball players. They aren’t hoopers. Maybe you have a handful of hoopers left. But the rest ..
Facts !😂
I forgot who told me but when I was younger playing sports some mf said to me "there's a difference between an athlete and a baller".. The league now is just mostly overly privileged athletes on payroll..
All Facts.
Klay Thompson can ball.
Much more respect to LeBron in regards on this matter… 22 years and his worst injury was that groin, high ankle sprain or foot injury. I can’t remember which injury had him out longer. But still… Respect.
TRT, HGH, Stanozolol
Valid Rumors of PEDs though 🤣🤣🤣
@@MichaelBonhomme-zr3zs😂 valid rumors is literally contradicting itself
😂😂😂@@jabronanderson12
God is good!
The red flag was when Booker got upset when they double teamed him in practice… I was like I thought they practice like it was a normal game…
That was a casual scrimmage but he really just wanted to do 1v1 in a 5v5 setting lol
Booker is apart of this soft ass watered down generation of Basketball players 😅
@@JACPOT3rddd100%
Completely different and this is you narritave seeding. He's upset he's getting it in practice and you're using this incident to define his attitude and work ethic. Totally unfair regardless of what he produces in game.
Kobe: “Send another one”
Kenyon is right. They most likely spend the majority of their time in the Sit Down position. Joystick playing video games and not enough moving around outside of practice and game play.
Ding ding ding!
And they been doing that since they were little when it was against slow competition.
Bet their thumbs strong AF tho...
Complete nonsense, it don't make sense what he's suggesting outside , back In my day bullshit
They only train the muscles they need for playing the game but they never train the muscles they need to support their body to stay healthy.
@christophrauscher3520 this is so stupid and wrong
has think about is ... this new era is of the world is just hurting has ...
Haven’t watched the video yet, but I can tell you it’s probably the same reason nfl players are getting hurt more, teams don’t practice as much and nowhere near as intense, so their muscles are not conditioned enough for all the contact and explosive movements.
They can't do nothing just carry your sick leave @BenMaslow-n5x
Yea you nailed it 😂
There's been numerous articles too that have stated that the grind of AAU is causing players to have major injuries even before they make it to the NBA. It's also said that over-specialization is contributing as well, and that playing multiple sports as an adolescent is better for your body in the longer run.
Nope, they all too strong and fast.
That's why people floating over to WNBA.
Basketball was invented with court and hoop height, for white boys maybe 6'2" at tallest. there isn't any room to "play" basketball anymore.
@BenMaslow-n5xno one cares if you miss work. You do NOTHING people will pack an arena to pay to see. Stop comparing your REGULAR job to ELITE athletes.
Nonsense Rashad, your opinion matters. Your perspective is real, we appreciate you
Facts he act like he wasn’t that dude in college
another part is that today's game is a shooting game. Less people driving to the paint and getting contact. Fact that people are still getting more hurt is the lack of hardening their body.
That's what I'm saying!!!! Where is the finesse?! 🚗 DRIVE
Less physical contact
Less physical and they STILL RUBINS TIP.
“lack of hardening the body” you fools got them injured in the first place. If anything they over exert themselves from very young nowadays and make more lateral moves in modern play styles.
Most of them can start by toughening up their vaginas and letting their ovaries drop. 😝
Just my take. Athletes need to play multiple sports. Young athletes need to just play period. This is what I have heard from coaches from D1 down to youth. Too many of them only do their sport. Even Lebron played football. Also, majority of athletes have horrible eating habits.
This is true too
Someone said it but B4 me but not only what u said but how much time they spend sitting down playing video games.
Back in the day that literally didn't exist.
That's why their Hammy's are soo tight.
And after practice/games instead of waking it off and moving they go straight to the screen and sit.
Over time that takes it's toll.
They working the same muscles playing only one sport. When u work different muscles playing different sports, you get stronger overall .
Teams are at fault too. Pelicans before the season couple years ago making the rookies eat hot dogs, they bringing ice cream to the facility. Should be grilling skirt steak and cutting watermelon. I mean they probably have Gatorade in their cooler during the game!
@@Aymeric-f1yidk because most teams workout after the game lol
Funny how McCants said this earlier this year about them workout with the football team!!
Half these dudes aren’t worth the max.
%90 of em’
True
But they played 90% more games. So super max is worth shit the player that has it doesn't play
You are worth what you are paid
@@yaboiturboshot3148 CAP
Not to mention guys were playing 40 mins a game in the 00s
And all 82 games
There’s cats still doing that
Never forget that Lebron was averaging 37 ppg against McCants
I stay in MN I watched him play 🔥🗑
Yall need to bring this up on the Pod 😂
Gil need to acknowledge your consistency 😂😂
😂
And, always remember..., you NEVER PLAYED IN THE LEAGUE!!!! Clown.
The answer to avoid injuries is *more*, not less. It’s counterintuitive but it’s true. Your body adjusts to the level of stress it gets put through. If the game itself is the highest level of stress, you have to match that level in practice consistently so that your body is used to it. If you aren’t working at near-game level when the season starts, odds are you’re gonna get injured.
Shad bruh. Even though your NBA career didn’t pan out as aspired. You knew and had what it took to get there, so that shits valid fam. 🤝
Facts.. I respect anybody who got the privilege to sit on an nba teams bench idc how many minutes you played, you were in the top 500 humans in the world at what you do
10ppg on his NBA career.
Not bad for a dude who had a short career.
My all time favorite Tar Heel
Easy fix. Ask MJ, Bron, and John Stockton what workouts they did and copy that. Then ask Grant Hill, T Mac, Brandon Roy, and Greg Oden what workouts they did and do the opposite.
MJ and Bron have suffered multiple injuries
@@11Suncerethey mainly suffered minor injuries. Jordan broke his foot and bron strained his groin but other than some ankle sprains and sore knees they have been relatively healthy. Just look at how many times Jordan played at least 80 games and all the miles on LeBron legs.
@@11Suncere
MJ played nine 82 game seasons.
Lebron needed load management. Horrible comparison
@CoachVFitness this has nothing to do with load management. Don't miss the point by trying to make your own.
NBA Teams should have Yoga as part of their training, I believe that helped Kareem Abdul-Jabbar played in his forties.
Eric Gordon still does 🤷🏾♂️
They do. It's the lack of intensity of the practices and training.
@@deejaay It's not that, because the game also lacks intensity.
@@lilhaliEric Gordon stayed hurt his first 8 years
@@penkima4923 you play how you practice....
k mart & mccant i agree completely because I remember playing high school football and even during basketball season. Those two days would be tough, but they would most definitely work because dudes weren't getting hurt with muscle injuries. They may get physically injured due to other stuff a muscle straits and all this ridiculousness wouldn't exist, and even now that transition to boxingdoesn't allow to have soft tissue injuries, but for some reason, people believe less practic equals better health, which is crazy
Man that stuff was cruel and unusual punishment 😂. I wakeup having nightmares thinking I have to be a camp or back to back practice and I'm almost 40.
They also don’t really lift weights either. The stuff they’re doing is straight bs…but it’s “sports science”. Man in college during preseason conditioning we’d have individual workouts at 5am every day, then come back in the afternoon and have REAL weightlifting Monday-Thursday, then go on the track or soccer field IMMEDIATELY AFTER weights and run until we were throwing up…then had to play pick-up for 2 hrs straight after that…FOR SIX WEEKS STRAIGHT. Man my senior year I had 4.1% body fat going into the season. Only injury I had was getting poked in the eye
They all play too much basketball they come in league with 100k miles
@@RichOvernight_ I completely agree with you that's my point like why are they playing more games than actual practice? What it should be is just practice and that's it. They should not be playing all these AU games all these damn tournaments all year round ended ended up destroying the human body. It's absolutely ridiculous.
@@joebucketsTV they lift weights. The problem is is that all these trainers are treat them incorrectly and because of that they're literally putting unnecessary strength into the human body and destroy destroying themselves.
Most skilled generation. Staying healthy is a skill.
Which generation? Lol
@@vbrown9905 let him be misguided n brainwashed
Nah health and defense are no longer skills. Hence why guys like Paul George, Steph, and others are being thrown in GOAT convos
Health is wealth
Most skilled how? Being allow to break the rules ? Carries double step back? Euro steps? They called travel if someone did a damn euro step .. the game is not more skilled more BS is tolerated
I don’t understand how players now are being paid more and playing less games than the people in the 90s. If a star plays 82 games that’s so shocking these days . They just want the money and don’t really wanna do what’s making them the money
Too many earlier era players superstars didn't flex they muscle. They took the upfront money. New era put business before team loyalty. I don't blame. Even MJ had to fight for money
@BenMaslow-n5x so how you feel about owners who make money off the players?
So y’all ain’t capitalists? Why y’all pocket watching 😂
They are paid more because the league is making more so you gotta pay them
@ true, and imagine if they had to pay the players based off of the market valuation of the team they play for, you’d see guys making hundreds of millions in any given year
i personally think the euro steps and contorting there bodies on top of the 40 inch vert is leading to so many injuries
You’re not lying dude. Them Eurosteps are a knee killer foreal
Yall tripping on the euro steps lol
Exactly. 👊👊✊✊👏👏👏👌👌
Agreed combined with the overall speed of the game now
@@WorldWideWeasel I tried to do the euro in a pick up game and almost died
They just don't want to play through any injury. It could be a sore thumb and they need 3 months to make sure it's 100%😂😂😂
😂😂😂 sad but true
And that's why I dont compare Alot of them to the past greats. Only a few man only a few.
That’s why so many NBA PLAYERS consider Kobe the GOAT.
Playing on a pulled hamstring at the beginning of an 82 game season isn’t smart though. You’re just going to make it worse. These guys are 100% correct. They aren’t practicing enough.
That's because y'all same 1s wanting them to play they injury will be the same 1s that say no excuses for playing bad because if you can get on the court, then you can play. These dudes ain't about to let y'all force them to play thru injury and then not be able to stand at 45 and live normal lives.
That Pure Snow Kept Them Old Heads Health 😂😂😂
Lmao
And that drank 🍻
Michael Jordan never did drugs. He played 82 games a year
Nah they just weren’t soft.
I know. They don't make men anymore. Y'all fragile like females.
Pushusp, Pullups, Dips and running will get you right and strong not big, strong.
Why don’t they ever talk about how playing AAU is destroying these dudes bodies early. We all know playing 5-8 games in a weekend is not good. Then when they get to the league the bodies are already tore up
If u cant handle aau u cant handle the league bro lol
Mfz been play Aau plus other sports, these players feel entitled once they get paid they don’t love the game they love da lifestyle
Umm not obviously you never played
5 to 8 games is light when you under 20
@@hardbodytraining100 But you're doing that for at least 12 years straight before getting to the league is different.
Literally happening every sport injuries are up. Baseball, football, nba, the pros are getting hurt at alarming rates
its the gear
@@novelaego2404or a combination of gear and lack of nutritional focus. 🤔
Very few people eat healthy, food is literally garbage now. Comparing the same time periods, 90's and early 00's to now people in general are more unhealthy than ever.
@@Ntegritty Exactly. Its. Back in the 80s and 90s lifestyle in general promoted healthier meals but the family model was still in tact so families put an emphasis on sitting down with their children for dinner a the meals were typically healthy which helped kids grow and develop properly. Now you have guys LEGO are generic freaks that can perform on skittles and gummies but their ligaments and tendons are being fueled with amino acids and nutrients more likely to cause tears.
The Weight Did the Damage already @ 1:50 , So yes it is/ was the Weight.
It just sometimes baffles me that these dudes are more fragile than LeBron who’s like at least 10+ years older than these guys.
They’re not on PEDs
@furiousrobinson lebron the only one who can pass a drug test get outta here 😂
@@furiousrobinson I don't think you understand how PED's work Lmao that's not something you take to keep your body intact overtime especially in a sport like basketball. If anything, it breaks it down quicker
@@momothunder9544
Lance Armstrong passed for 20 yrs
@@hc2777no tf he didn’t and lebron was investigated by the feds and the league AND THEY FOUND NOTHING. Lebron has never drink a soda in 20 years and he constantly lifts weights and drinks water and doesn’t smoke weed. You lazy men know nothing about that discipline
Playing one sport instead of 2 or 3 like previous generations is a very big reason as well… these kids specializing in 1 sport from the start, don’t develop using different muscles that can help you in other sports. Basketball is especially hard running up and down hardwood all the time, so many former/current players with leg injuries.
"You get paid to play basketball"
No, you get paid to trick teams into thinking that you'll play basketball in the future.
These guys are speaking facts on this episode. The athletes today may make more $$$, have a little more talent and have more Science and Technology but they still soft. Older athletes trained like warriors (as they said 2 a days) like they were going to battle. You rarely heard of guys in the 90’s with these soft tissue injuries - hamstrings, calf strains, abdominal strains and back spasm bc they trained like they were going to play. Training was so tough - that we were happy to play multiple games in a week bc games were easy.
Yepperoni
@@okaycola2never say that again😂
They need to make it a 2 week training camp and in the middle you have a practice with another team
Slides. All these kids today wear is slides. I don’t think people understand the simple things we do is what keeps our boys healthy. A full walking motion vs sliding your feet when you walk. Today young people stay in the house and play video games, sleep. When I was young we were always outside riding bikes, running and playing sports every day all day. We ate real food today they call organic. We didn’t drink soda all the time full of sugar. I remember drinking water a lot because we were outside and my grandmother had a cup and we run on the faucet. Get a drink and go back to playing or what ever we were doing. We played every sport almost every day. We had video games. We would play for about an hour and back outside. I see kids walking as slow as an 80 year old man. I see no muscle definition at all. The bottom line. Kids aren’t using their bodies like we did. As a result they are prone to injuries.
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Core work is vital.
Big time
Yes and it's not just abs
practice how you play. 🤷♂️
24/7 intensity rather than 📈📉📈📉
Spot on 🎯
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Cant stand this era,but they say todays player's are better!! 90s players will drag these players today just off this alone
Shut yo old crybaby ass up man.
It’s November man. They gotta relax more. This the videogame generation. Them boys played videogames and no outdoors from 1999 til 2023. Headshot carjacking shooter videogames.
It’s declining, I’d say 2010-2020 the best era
@@harvardarchaeologydept3799what the hell are you talking about?
Watching Kenyon Martin and Gilbert talk about how to stay healthy is a little funny
I agree wholeheartedly with EVERYTHING these dude are spitting out. I've been personal training athletes and weekend warriors for 32+ yrs and todays athletes and the training is NOT getting players bodies to the level they need for competition. The mental softness has led to their physically soft /unprepared bodies.
2% body fat is a cool thing to say.
but I can almost guarantee they weren’t walking around at 2% body fat.
Funny thing that you mentioned that. I randomly looked up the 2003 combine and dahntay jones had a 2% body fat. How’s that possible lol
That's absurd for this sport. This isn't bodybuilding. Ballers need approx 20% like Luka
Even bodybuilders on stage have more than 2%, at 2% you almost dead and you don't have any stamina 🤣
@@20dieuxYeah those numbers are so exaggerated. People act like low single digit body fat is common. Most people have never seen it in person. Heck you go to a beach with 12% and you're almost certainly the leanest person there.
There are so many injuries in the NBA right now it’s insane.
7:01 McCouldn't if he tried seriously thinking "what if I just smashed Gil in the face with this bat". LOL. That look. Hahahaha!
I got to comment on this topic. I played college ball in the 90's in Canada. Back on our day, we practiced at least 2 times a day. Weights in the morning, practice in the afternoon after classes. Our training was hard core!! Practicing with bricks in our hands during defense drills, running up and down the courts doing suicides, etc... During my career the only thing I had was twisted ankles and we still played through our pain. I hate to say it but my opinion of these players nowadays are not great!!! Maybe am old school but the fundamentals of the game is lost!! I don't see the dedication to the game! These over privilege players don't have the same drive as we did back in the day. Not to get it twisted, their are a handful of great players out there but the times are different now compared how we played in the 90's.
If you didn't play defense, your not getting on the court.
Plain and simple!
It's not Zions weight.. it's the fact he's 6 foot 5 and doesn't attempt jumpshots.. everything is a drive to the basket.. him being more athletic than everyone ain't gonna last to long he's gonna have to learn to SHOOT
Zion's injuries are definitely due to his weight. The number of jumpshots in the league have gone up every year, along with injuries.
True majority of the buckets Zion gets seems like he works hard for them
@ColdHoops all facts it prolonged his career
@Rswishhh it's 2024 .. never seen zion attempt a fade away jump .. a turn around jumpshot.. a step back jumper.. nothing.. nothing but dunks layups and putbacks.. he's working way to hard on offense
It’s his weight
I played overseas, and we had two a days all pre season. Only injuries we had were ankle sprains, and even that wasnt common. Pre season we were conditioning on the court and runs through forest mountains. Body was built tough as nails when the season came
I definitely believe this 💯💯
No real food, too many testosterone killers, not enough vitamins or exercise of the stabilizer muscles not enough stretching too much rest
Stop with the ignorance
@ 😂
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You pretty much said but Alot of people not gonna listen. This is the real truth.
@@Warden033 what do you not agree with??
Rashad about to let them intrusive thoughts win 😂 7:00
3:38 It’s interesting how LeBron is 40 still playing at a high level and never been hurt his whole career but guys half his age is injured all the time something doesn’t add up. Some of these injuries gotta be cap and excuses to not play all 82 games k mart is right y’all professional athletes getting paid $100’s of millions to just play basketball it’s really no excuse especially if bron is 40 and still going strong 🤦🏾♂️
Bron has been hurt several times.
@@upfulsoul826 what injuries and when ? He never broke nothing or tore anything I’m talking about serious injuries someone his age should be on the decline by now but he’s still playing and looks like he’s got a few more years left
@@upfulsoul826he’s never been hurt like that unless someone has literally caused his injury , for example Solomon Hill. But he’s never been out for multiple months apart from the Solomon hill incident..
He works out consistently and eat right as his lifestyle.
these niggas hopped all they life why wait to the NBA to not want to hoop? y’all really think these niggas don’t want to hoop? you niggas must havent hooped before. I find it funny how you niggas just think y’all know it all! and stop comparing eveybody who get hurt to lebron it’s dumb bruh name somebody else who never been hurt beside lebron out the entirety of EVERYBODY OF THE NBA.
This podcast is one of the BEST that I’ve seen. The level of insight and expertise is great for listening to sports talk. Now can someone explain why this guy has the bat and crown? I thought it was a Halloween costume a couple months ago.
There’s a reason Andre Miller never got a major injury. He kept his feet on the ground so I’m assuming the step back jumpers are the cause. It’s an unnatural movement and a lot of pressure on the legs.
Everyone should be doing kneesovertoesguy workouts
Nah foreal tho
Those workouts are a difference maker!
That’s why folks say the old school will still crush today. Built different.
Keyon thumb is diabolical😂 2:14
You noticed that!
I had to look at my thumb to see the difference
😂 damn bro I was like what’s wrong with…. Yikes. 😳
17:46 Gil says to call saints medical staff & ask them what to do with Zion....can someone tell him that the saints medical staff used to work for the pelicans too.... and they're gone now because they couldn't keep AD healthy and he left.
AD isn't built like a fb player
@ I want you to think that comment thru one more time and try again. They couldn't keep AD healthy, so they were fired. Do you understand? Why would they get a call for help with Zion, who's more injury prone, when they have not shown an ability to handle NBA players? Doesn't matter if Zion or AD were built like a soccer player, or a ballerina, saints staff has already had a chance and failed
“If they not walking in there gingerly…” 😂😂
Ever since Gregg popovich had Kawhi Leonard in his second year resting with the vets ( duncan, parker) I knew everything was going in the wrong direction
lol you damn right. Ppl forget that the spurs started load management because of their much older players who by then already proved themselves with multiple championships and longevity. Once they started letting ppl in their 20s sit out it was only a matter of time. How the fuck are dudes out of shape at 22? And anyone who calls it out gets labeled a hater or boomer.
Dats why kawhi really because pop want him just put 20 points game then take him so kawhi so fuck da shit
@ColdHoops how long ago was that and has this worked for every other team that seems to be doing this with their 21 year olds?
@ you might not be aware but plenty of players are sitting out with strained fingers and other bs reasons which is known as load management. You also have players outright admitting they aren’t doing back to backs anymore. Players who haven’t won anything. My point is that the spurs started kid managing after they’ve already won 3 rings.
@shootthejay7002 you might be unaware I'm pointing out Kawhi Leonard being load management in his second season .....
Like shannon sharpe says put the body through a ringer before getting on that field or court
I wouldn’t pay Zion anything until he can do 80% of a season PG, Kawhi, Embiid, Harden, & Simmons earn your check
Haha who are you bruh? stfu we want to see you play a season mf 😂😂
He literally got hurt in the play-in game against the Lakers last 3 minutes… he wasn’t hurt all season. If Brandon Ingram didn’t get hurt before the playoffs they aren’t even in the playin scenario. Kawhi played 68 games last year and was top seed in the west before Russ broke his hand. Then kawhi had to play more and got hurt. Maybe watch games before talking out your ass.
Zion injury prone @@jasonhoppe781
So only players get penalized for getting hurt? Caochws don't get penalized for losing. GM's don't get punished for bad trades and picks they still get paid right?
@ what does that have to do with players that are getting paid big money and are presumably always hurt! Your analogy is off point idk why I responded
82 game seasons on body's that dont have 3 to 4 years of college strength and conditioning and the added rest rest that comes from a 30 game college season as a base
A lot of real game McCants dropped.
Injuries are quite complicated. We often speculate on certain factors that can possibly contribute to what lead to an injury. Weight/body composition(diet and nutrition), tissue and joint health, training style and volume, genetic pre-disposition, pre-existing injuries, recovery methods number of practices and games played over the season and years. It may not be whether one is training hard enough or not, but is the athlete focusing on the right things. Think of all those as buckets or characteristics. What's the biggest limiting factor(s) is athlete focusing on that. You want nice well rounded across all buckets. Injuries happen when tissue loading exceeds tissue tolerance or capacity. Bridges have a load capacity. Tissues have a load capacity. Is the capacity of the tissue high or low? Is the loading on the tissue appropriate? We also often teach athletes on how to primarily produce force, but how about absorb force? All those factors contribute to what the body can absorb from a force perspectice without exceeding it's tolerance or capacity. Yeah I prolly need to stop before I write a novel
This is why what LeBron is doing is crazy impressive
We love the behind the scenes stories. ❤
Deep, HEAVY Squats, Deadlifts, and Olympic Lifts with variants
After that, they really only need pull-ups and push-ups
Mass training is the best way
Kenyon is spot on.
Kenyon being nearly 50 and tucking his sweats into his socks will forever be ridiculous old head type shit
Stop hating nigga lol. It’s his style. The fuck you worry about what a grown man wearing. Go get some money lil dude
Worried about another man’s attire will always be female behavior type shit
🥷🏻 hating on everything at this point
So, what?
Most of his pants don't hit his ankles standing. Even less sitting. Sounds like a reasonable solution if you like warm ankles. 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️😅
Similar to the current state of the NFL where the league removed 2/days from practices. And now injuries have been piling up since
New training and drills.
McCants looks so cool with that bat
These players workout too much these days and don’t recover enough or properly. But I feel like their workout are what’s wrong, like they’re doing the wrong things. Not enough scrimmages and too much stuff in the weight room and spot shooting. And also what they do after practice as well where they don’t do anything. Probably drive around and sit around.
Probably true.
12:20 Gil speaking facts
It's sucks being a fan wanting to buy tickets and everyone's hurt. I ain't pay to see the Pelicans, I wanted to see Zion 🤣🤣
I have a thought(s). The NBA has sped the game up and made rules that take away from being as physical when there was hand-checking. That means athletes have to come to a stop on their on volition versus being stopped vertically from encountering physical contact. Players are sacrificing building muscle for the sake of increasing speed. The other thing is that players are working with trainers in the off-season too much versus taking a break and not resting twice as much. One more thing. By the time players get to college, they have already played a professional career. You got college players and 3-4 year NBA players getting injuries that Mr. Arenas, Mr. Martin, and the other hosts should get if they were go hoop right now. That being said, it’s also the things that these guys have said in this podcast.
Appreciate you guys.
that Jxmyhighroller vid aging well.
which one?
@@king_lik his vid is called "This Is Getting Out of Control" about players getting injured
10:21 I mean I’m sure Bron lifts frequently & that’s kept him from injury. That in addition to spending on Cryo & massages etc $1M
It's these new trainers. They invent new training methods that harm the athletes. Bull crap exercises and stretching
this is A1..back when I played varsity our training camp was ABSOLUTE HELL...we had a teacher whose son was on the team...he was a Marine vet and said he NEVER saw anything like our hell weeks... face-planting at lunch into our food type exhausted...but guess what...the season was downhill...best shape very few if any injuries outside of a twisted ankle...
Did Kenyon say it’s not the weight. Of course it’s his damn weight. He went from 320 to 284. That’s not enough weight loss. He has to be smaller. Zion needs to get down to 260
HE NEEDS TO BE 230
These are hoopers? Why are they so bloody enormous? The job is 🏃♀️
@@poloregalare you slow? That’s not a natural body weight for him, he would have to be dehydrated at that weight lol. He can only go down to max 260-265
Iron sharpens iron, like you said Gil. First 5 vs second 5, gotta prove it everyday in practice. Made everyone better
how come joker rarely gets hurt
Pretty simple. He is not doing any explosive movement.
@@SCOOBYGD and doesn’t jump lol
Joker barely jog down court
He could be a genetic freak but also he is more than likely preparing himself the right way
That's the advantage if you play Fundamentals and you use your brain most of the time.
This is a great video showing the differences between generations
Jokic seems to play a lot and not get injured, and you guys all say he’s the one who isn’t athletic. I wonder what the difference is…
Facts jokic dunks every blue moon and just is fundamentally sound elite at it actually less injuries more longevity
@ more mvps and rings
I wonder if theres a different in heat players
I like that boxing analogy from RM. he needs to talk to Lebron they have the same body type. Bron is never hurt
He don't respect lebron longevity and being available
You gotta put extra work in to be great and overcome Injuries.
All you gotta do is make it d1 and you set for life. Money ruined competition but I’m happy my brothers getting paid. 100 million just to never win a championship 🔥
30 teams in the NBA and only one team wins each year... Winning a title is not that simple.
There’s over 300 d1 programs and only 60 guys get drafted every year so that’s cap
Sounds very dumb and salty
WHEN U ASK FORWARDS TO PLAY LIKE GUARDS ON THE PERIMETER THERE'S GOING TO BE INJURIES CONSTANTLY!
They got to lift weights for real
I do think that pace also plays a role. The higher speed of the game and the amount of guys that are trying to be explosive means that players are planting their feet harder and at crazier angles these days causing a bunch of lower body injuries.
I also think that some guys that are more injury prone are tolerated more now. Like, if you didn't play as much 30 years ago because you were injured all the time, you straight up would never have made it as a pro for the most part. But now, teams work with injury prone players that are highly talented more than they would have in previous eras.
Lose weight, Yoga, more reps, lets weight, stay hydrated! It's not that difficult!!!!
🎉🎉🎉 yeah ig money does change you
Old school sports practices were the best .
Lebron didn’t just lose weight. He turned all the fat into muscle. Zion need to figure out the lebron diet like melo and Beasley
When did Lebron turn fat into muscle ?
Lebron has always been lean lol
It’s similar to how special forces train their bodies in the military. You have to build the body up to the point where your aerobic and muscular endurance is top tier. Because there are no injury”time-outs” on the battlefield. You have to endure the pain until you return to home base safely.
Game is faster, which leads to more injuries. Not hard to comprehend
I literally think that's the reason. You have to cover more space.
@@SCOOBYGDit’s the crap they train with
These first two comments, plus spotty nutrition and questionable work ethics are the correct answers.
Part of it is the pace of the game now. The game hardly ever slows down, so there’s way more movement required. In Kenyon’s day, they played in the post.
Just got a message while watching this that Deandre Ayton ain’t playing because of a finger sprain.. maybe these players are just damn soft
😂😂😂😂😂 waaaaaaa
Yea Kobe taped his fingers and I thought it was a style he did it so much
A man who is almost 40 is in better shape than people half his age. Thats crazy lol
Nahh they know the recipe they don't want to work for it LeBron still in the league and he's 40 and not getting hurt as much
LeBron has been getting injuries for over 5 years.
Was comparing this in basketball to football (soccer) recently. In soccer, you train together so much, you know every left footer on the team, speed, strengths, weaknesses etc. Thats not the case in basketball