After the game in the live stream, Serral was laughing and Showtime tells him "WTF Joona" Serral was rolling. Great moment. That game was insane to see live.
it took that match? I feel like Serral needs his own balance patch as he constantly uses units that are considered mediocre to amazing effect and to balance zerg for Serral would mean they would be dramatically underpowered for everyone else.
An incredible game for sure, it felt like to me that show time had the edge for most of the late back, and a few critical mistakes got him. Losing those last of sand oracle hurt SO bad. Crazy how ~40 minute game at ~ 400 apm, and it all comes down to just a few moments and few clicks. Such an intense game.
If that's not the epitome of this match up, in every possible way, then I don't know Starcraft at all. That was amazing. Thanks for casting this Winter
My Dad tells me of a tennis player from his high school, who did not necessarily have the strongest strokes, but he could return anything. It was just a matter of defending until his opponent made a mistake. He would basically just lob it back to his opponent. It took him all the way to state, where he got matched up against another such player, and it was a loooooooooong match. Both Serral and Showtime have the reputation of going for the type of build where you defend, but don't break, until you eventually just outlast the opponent.
That final infestor was down to EIGHT hit points when the observer stopped beaming it and ran away from the Queens (which then hit the observer). If the observer had carried on half a second longer Serral would've lost his neural parasite ability and possibly the game
Maybe you can have different categories. Like, best macro game and best cheese; and best cheese into macro game; and best cheese into cheese into all-in into macro game into base trade into corner stalemate. Those are the options, right, did I miss any?
Instead of nerfing Zerg, they need to add one or two more Zerg units to the game and then redistribute the abilities. Zerg is so frustrating before lair because you are so limited in what units you have accessible, especially with queens being the best anti air. But come late game, Zergs have a glut of options with a very indiverse army composition, allowing them to blanket counter almost everything. Comparing the races, unit for unit, ability for ability, it seems pretty balanced except that Protoss have their abilities spread out over 11 units compared the Zerg's 9. It is not cost efficiency, it is imbalance.
I have often asked for Tempests to do splash damage, even if it is an upgrade, and even if it is as little as Archons do. Do you think such a change would have been enough to swing this match in Showtime's favor?
also why the fuck did he kept his voidrays home, he could have used them to threaten/kill the queens and infestors, instead of leaving 2 lone tempests to get neural'd
Right? It wasn't just the last oracle, he kept losing observers by putting them in in the middle of the map, just there for the taking while Serral rotated. Great, now you know his army was there, for the cost of an observer, how dumb is that?
If someone were truly interested in balancing the game, interceptors would not cost minerals, storm would be as effective as fungal and parasitic bomb, feedback would do as much damage as EMP, and there would be at least one more zerg unit to spread abilities around.
Zerg is definitely the best race if you can do 500apm. Otherwise toss is just a lot easier to play. I think Serral agrees. He knows zerg is strong but sometimes he just needs to take a break and play toss haha. That was definitely game of the year.
i feel like after seeing the infestor in that late game scenario showtime just needed to keep the voids with the tempest to protect just have everything together and I think he wins
Showtime really threw the end of this game by separating his units. He reaally needed to keep them together to wipe out the infestors when they popped up.
Come on WinterStarcraft, you are too hard here on Lowko and show too little confidence in your own judgement of this game. Come on, this is DEFINETLY THE GAME OF THE YEAR!
Good game. But I think a great game would be an upset and in the context of a championship with the underdog taking it out. 🤔 I think serral winning is not surprising enough to be considered game of the year.
Perhaps, as we have asked for interceptors to cost energy instead of minerals ad nauseum to no effect, the answer should be make a unit from the other races cost minerals instead of energy. Perhaps Lurkers should cost five minerals every time they burrow, or broodlings should cost 5 minerals each every time they are grown. Perhaps EMP kills the ghost who fired it, forcing a ghost to be rebuilt. People hate carriers, but what historically and in the lore was supposed to be a race's pride and joy has instead been reduced to a cancer.
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No. Infestors not the problem. Queens are. Endgame with little no no gas serral just built like 15 queens. T3 toss V T1 zerg and the queen is still the better investment.
Nope, not best of the year. Good at first, but when the game comes down to carriers using all the minerals, and forcing Showtime out with a wimper and long drawn out gasp, it is not a good game. From the moment Serral made infestors, it was just watching Showtime die at the rate of old age.
Fast forwarded to the end because I made a prediction. If it’s the “game of the year” from Lowko and it features Serral or any high level Zerg player…. Zerg is the winner. I’ve actually stopped watching his channel because of his bias.
Shit...im getting seriously bored of watching any protoss games. How does the game start: well they have queens so I can't do much of anything. How does the game end: well we've got no gas and queens are the best mineral unit ever. Freakin dull. It should be pretty clear from the fact that serral was able to cut drones and income for like 7 minutes before showtime, and still hold even. Put a mineral cost on broodlings and see what happens. Always seems like protoss needs to pull a magic trick or cheese something by in order to get ahead enough to actually win. Whereas zerg and Terran armies always feel like they can kill your army and your base in the 1 go.
And here is the protoss player that is salty.... and dont even call me a Zerg lover. i am a ranodm player that is Master 3 in Zerg and protoss and Master 2 in Terrian. Serral is the best player in the world.... Any player in his shoes would be dead. And the problem is that Protos always goes for Airtoss. Whice is impossible to defend for any Zerg that is not top tier.
@@helenagustafsson3653 "Whice is impossible to defend for any Zerg that is not top tier." - lol...you mean the T3 uber units are hard to defend against but the answer is a T1 zerg mineral only unit with big hp and heal smdh... Put it this way...10 interceptors killed = 1 queen in minerals. That's why serral can just sit back and do nothing while letting showtime send out the interceptors. Winter is correct when he says carrier are a rich mans unit. You have about 7 mintues of this game between about 8-15min, that there are enough minerals remaining for mass carrier to actually work at all. Afterwhich it starves you of minerals. Which is what caught showtime in this one. There is a hard deadline for when they can be used. And the reason you are forced into air toss is because the ground units suck + interceptors eat up the minerals you could use for zealots. Most toss ground is Too gas heavy, Too slow, Only useful on specific armor types, etc. Add to that the need to build 3 buildings (pylon, gateway, cybercore) b4 you can get even a decent unit out. Therefore, the only way out is either a cheese or turtle to Airtoss. Same reason sheild battery is the defensive answer to everything, minerals only free HP. it's like a worse version of a queen. The only toss player i want to see is reynor, because he has the APM to just maybe, make use of the 7.8 k cooldown and energy abilities to toss has. Way to much micro for not enough return.
After the game in the live stream, Serral was laughing and Showtime tells him "WTF Joona" Serral was rolling. Great moment. That game was insane to see live.
Is there a clip or anything?
"95% of his army flies, and the rest glides menacingly." Superb.
Would be awesome if you and lowko do a collaboration the games of the year, totally will watch it twice in both channels 😆
i think that match basically proves it, serral is the best zerg player of all time.
it took that match? I feel like Serral needs his own balance patch as he constantly uses units that are considered mediocre to amazing effect and to balance zerg for Serral would mean they would be dramatically underpowered for everyone else.
Correction, Serral is the best SC player of all time. Statistically.
An incredible game for sure, it felt like to me that show time had the edge for most of the late back, and a few critical mistakes got him. Losing those last of sand oracle hurt SO bad. Crazy how ~40 minute game at ~ 400 apm, and it all comes down to just a few moments and few clicks. Such an intense game.
If that's not the epitome of this match up, in every possible way, then I don't know Starcraft at all. That was amazing. Thanks for casting this Winter
Serral is the only person who can wear a Fedora and still look like a complete chad.
it's a trilby :)
This IS the best pro game of the year, wow
"BRENDA!!! NOW IS THE TIME!!!"-some cool dude I watch on youtube 2022
#bless
Winter wearing a Frost Giant shirt. That works thematically.
My Dad tells me of a tennis player from his high school, who did not necessarily have the strongest strokes, but he could return anything. It was just a matter of defending until his opponent made a mistake. He would basically just lob it back to his opponent. It took him all the way to state, where he got matched up against another such player, and it was a loooooooooong match.
Both Serral and Showtime have the reputation of going for the type of build where you defend, but don't break, until you eventually just outlast the opponent.
Showtime adopting a swarmy Protoss style is awesome.
ShowTime had one job at the end, and failed. Lol.
That final infestor was down to EIGHT hit points when the observer stopped beaming it and ran away from the Queens (which then hit the observer). If the observer had carried on half a second longer Serral would've lost his neural parasite ability and possibly the game
22:22 Showtime channeling his inner BillyBones with that recall into lurkers.
so sad that showtime threw at the end when he mismicroed his oracle 😭
Maybe you can have different categories. Like, best macro game and best cheese; and best cheese into macro game; and best cheese into cheese into all-in into macro game into base trade into corner stalemate.
Those are the options, right, did I miss any?
OMG that was INSANE!!!!
"He has show time and time again" (showtime - i see what you did there).
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Instead of nerfing Zerg, they need to add one or two more Zerg units to the game and then redistribute the abilities. Zerg is so frustrating before lair because you are so limited in what units you have accessible, especially with queens being the best anti air. But come late game, Zergs have a glut of options with a very indiverse army composition, allowing them to blanket counter almost everything. Comparing the races, unit for unit, ability for ability, it seems pretty balanced except that Protoss have their abilities spread out over 11 units compared the Zerg's 9. It is not cost efficiency, it is imbalance.
After the game devs watched this game, they nerfed Terran.
See that's funny cos they haven't nerfed terran in years despite ghosts being the most OP unit in the game.
@@Gredddfe Preach!!
I have often asked for Tempests to do splash damage, even if it is an upgrade, and even if it is as little as Archons do. Do you think such a change would have been enough to swing this match in Showtime's favor?
showtime should have immediately GG'd when he flew his final oracle into the queens for no fucking reason
It happens man, pressure is on
also why the fuck did he kept his voidrays home, he could have used them to threaten/kill the queens and infestors, instead of leaving 2 lone tempests to get neural'd
@@CCSABCD probably to make life miserable for the lurkers fwiw
Right? It wasn't just the last oracle, he kept losing observers by putting them in in the middle of the map, just there for the taking while Serral rotated. Great, now you know his army was there, for the cost of an observer, how dumb is that?
Nice counter vid to Lowko's "Winter's game of the year video" I see what your doing =p
I'm almost 40.... Should I get a fedora? Please don't make me wear a fedora...
One neural to rule them all!
i like these biweekly games of the year
If someone were truly interested in balancing the game, interceptors would not cost minerals, storm would be as effective as fungal and parasitic bomb, feedback would do as much damage as EMP, and there would be at least one more zerg unit to spread abilities around.
Love the callout to Lowko for this one. Excited to see you cast this match
34:21 i was like NO SERRAL u dont need another broodlord u got the anti ground noooo!!!!
Zerg is definitely the best race if you can do 500apm. Otherwise toss is just a lot easier to play. I think Serral agrees. He knows zerg is strong but sometimes he just needs to take a break and play toss haha. That was definitely game of the year.
Such a good game. Serral never disappoints. Been wanting to see a Serral vs Showtime match and what can I say - they delivered
losing that oracle was so painful, oof
i feel like after seeing the infestor in that late game scenario showtime just needed to keep the voids with the tempest to protect just have everything together and I think he wins
insane game had to watch it twice
WHAT A GAME
I watch all your pro games my guy, and this felt a little less energy with peace and love Winter,
thanks for your videos :)
Showtime really threw the end of this game by separating his units. He reaally needed to keep them together to wipe out the infestors when they popped up.
For a while I thought it was sc2 music playing in the background, but it's LotR music isn't it?
Come on WinterStarcraft, you are too hard here on Lowko and show too little confidence in your own judgement of this game. Come on, this is DEFINETLY THE GAME OF THE YEAR!
what a game
Sheesh, yeah game of the year forsure
THIS IS HOW PROTOSS THINK!
Transition to skytoss was a little late but clever.
I actually agree, carriers need a bit of a buff....
*runs away*
Just make Broodlings cost 5 minerals
And make tanks 1mineral 1 gas per shot.
@@tylr3669
Tanks don't make a swarm of free units blocking your movement.
@@Appletank8 but if we are going for upkeep costs on units....bullets aren't free.
@@tylr3669
Limiting free swarms of units isn't upkeep.
If you can't tell I really don't like the design of Brood Lords and Swarm Hosts.
well played
Best commentator best players
Very good game.
Lowko "Game of the Year" of the Month....
Queens and infestors for the win.
Good game. But I think a great game would be an upset and in the context of a championship with the underdog taking it out. 🤔 I think serral winning is not surprising enough to be considered game of the year.
serral never got full air upgrades or ranged attack 3 for those queens
Perhaps, as we have asked for interceptors to cost energy instead of minerals ad nauseum to no effect, the answer should be make a unit from the other races cost minerals instead of energy. Perhaps Lurkers should cost five minerals every time they burrow, or broodlings should cost 5 minerals each every time they are grown. Perhaps EMP kills the ghost who fired it, forcing a ghost to be rebuilt. People hate carriers, but what historically and in the lore was supposed to be a race's pride and joy has instead been reduced to a cancer.
This just proves that you need SERRAL SKILL LEVEL just to defeat Protoss in any league. Nerf!!!!
how hard it is to swing a couple of cracklings around for a run by? To easy for how much damage they can do...
And its only 6 supply to make it as well.
@@tylr3669 Stop blaming balance for your lack of skills... You would have 1/3 the amount of Zerglings and unexpectedly lose them all.
@@Iseenoobpeoples @Iseenoobpeoples lol, you seriously went thru thre different conversations to find me and respond with the same comments!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 sad
I like this
Not even close :D
You see a smiley face, I personnaly see a sad clown face..
Does this mean I'm depressed ?
How many lose conditions should we give Protoss?
Blizzard: Yes.
Interceptor must cost energy.
man showtime played that horrible at the end there. all he had to do was keep chipping away at serrals army with those tempest little by little.
Honestly the title makes me want to skip the video.. but we get so few serral casts normally can't pass it up
Well i already watched it at lowkos channel but i am up to watching it a second time with winters take on it 🙂
yeah ok, this one i think is the better game of the year lmao
This game is the reason the devs nerf terran.
No one likes to talk about Zerg imba :))))
Sorry lowko, but ShowTime losing because he refused to build an obs in the late game is hardly game of the year
Gotta love ghost being op but not infestors being able to just steal units from the opposing faction
Thing is, Showtime sometimes used tempest hits against overlords and spores where he could target the infestors which lost him the game.
No. Infestors not the problem. Queens are. Endgame with little no no gas serral just built like 15 queens. T3 toss V T1 zerg and the queen is still the better investment.
Stop blaming balance for your lack of skills.
infestors are awful
Ghosts are actual stand-up and fight combat units though, unlike infestors or templar.....AND they're OP casters at the same time.
he started ling speed cancelled and went ovie speed. you missed it...
Burrowing drones is nuts, should be removed
69 nice! :)
Nope, not best of the year. Good at first, but when the game comes down to carriers using all the minerals, and forcing Showtime out with a wimper and long drawn out gasp, it is not a good game. From the moment Serral made infestors, it was just watching Showtime die at the rate of old age.
Fast forwarded to the end because I made a prediction.
If it’s the “game of the year” from Lowko and it features Serral or any high level Zerg player…. Zerg is the winner.
I’ve actually stopped watching his channel because of his bias.
Salty noob
PvZ lategame is actually so boring and predictable to watch.
Serral is so boring.
1st :^)
Shit...im getting seriously bored of watching any protoss games.
How does the game start: well they have queens so I can't do much of anything.
How does the game end: well we've got no gas and queens are the best mineral unit ever.
Freakin dull.
It should be pretty clear from the fact that serral was able to cut drones and income for like 7 minutes before showtime, and still hold even. Put a mineral cost on broodlings and see what happens.
Always seems like protoss needs to pull a magic trick or cheese something by in order to get ahead enough to actually win. Whereas zerg and Terran armies always feel like they can kill your army and your base in the 1 go.
And here is the protoss player that is salty.... and dont even call me a Zerg lover. i am a ranodm player that is Master 3 in Zerg and protoss and Master 2 in Terrian. Serral is the best player in the world.... Any player in his shoes would be dead. And the problem is that Protos always goes for Airtoss. Whice is impossible to defend for any Zerg that is not top tier.
@@helenagustafsson3653 "Whice is impossible to defend for any Zerg that is not top tier." - lol...you mean the T3 uber units are hard to defend against but the answer is a T1 zerg mineral only unit with big hp and heal smdh... Put it this way...10 interceptors killed = 1 queen in minerals. That's why serral can just sit back and do nothing while letting showtime send out the interceptors.
Winter is correct when he says carrier are a rich mans unit. You have about 7 mintues of this game between about 8-15min, that there are enough minerals remaining for mass carrier to actually work at all. Afterwhich it starves you of minerals. Which is what caught showtime in this one. There is a hard deadline for when they can be used.
And the reason you are forced into air toss is because the ground units suck + interceptors eat up the minerals you could use for zealots. Most toss ground is Too gas heavy, Too slow, Only useful on specific armor types, etc. Add to that the need to build 3 buildings (pylon, gateway, cybercore) b4 you can get even a decent unit out. Therefore, the only way out is either a cheese or turtle to Airtoss. Same reason sheild battery is the defensive answer to everything, minerals only free HP. it's like a worse version of a queen.
The only toss player i want to see is reynor, because he has the APM to just maybe, make use of the 7.8 k cooldown and energy abilities to toss has. Way to much micro for not enough return.
Pvz is ez
Quick ez wins vast majority of the time
Not giving my shit out for free tho