38:11 there's something uniquely comedic about watching this chad Ghost gutting Dark's last mining base, only to turn around and get run over by 20 banelings, his screams of pain and horror abruptly cut off by a camera change
Pros: people who would go to ridiculous length and effort to gain the most tiniest of advantage. Me: tried that "new" brood trick years ago in campaigns, figured it's a waste of effort, and never tried it again.
God that broodlord micro trick looks so cool but it seems like it barely does any damage for the work takes. If it wasnt for the siege tanks, i think it barely does damage to whats in front. Edit: the yanks into the army of broodlings though seems worth it Edit 2: alright, towards the ending i am convinced I should try broodling micro-ing now.
I was mostly watching for the standoff between the yoinks and the snipes keeping each other at bay 😆 BLs deal damage on attack and the broodling nibble is just extra dps that does comparatively little I think. Siegetank friendly fire I think has more value than the nibble 😅 They don't live long either so if they have to waddle to the enemy they'll hardly get anything done with 1/3 of their time left, insane micro for very little return value. Really only got a hellbat or half a tank at a time. Crazy he got to do that, it felt like both of them were tunnel visioning hard on that bridge there.
It's definitely not worth it if there's an active game going on, but when there's a total stalemate and the map is mined out, for the sake of drawing fire, distracting the opponent, using up medivac energy, and costing some amount of minerals and gas in repairs, it's worth it for the literally nothing it costs you.
@@MrGeorgeFlorcus and also dislodging a Terran by any other means is kind of suicidal. Edit: Hitting other places is technically an option but with terran having sensor towers and zerg using broodlords, the most you can do is a few lings that will die to planetaries.
He's done it over and over again. It works and seems to have a very high rate of success. But the key is patience I think. He held those banelings so long.
"He's so good at these broods. It's a disgusting art" I can't say I've ever seen disgusting art of brood lords, but I have of zerglings. "a lot of things came in my mind, and I'm ashamed of some of them" The first thing that came into my mind when you said that was skullfucking. Because... you know... they _came_ in your mind.
@@Broockle Was thinking about something like that hours ago watching PiG and what came out was a baneling upgrade I'll call cohesion. Basically it's a manual -say hotkey C- detonate near your own units that grants four or less seconds of spell damage reduction like an inverted anti-armor missile. Cause having such an ability tied to a mana pool would be broken, the costly short range burp to save drones or two lurkers from storm felt okay. The APM cost to chain this felt like a good tax as well.
@@MrYago-xd7um mmmm 99% of players dun have the apm for this. 😆 I'd want it to be less niche How would you even micro the banelings to stick with the Ultras? I think even pro-players would have trouble using this. And I can't even imagine how you would save your workers with this. If someone puts a storm on your whole army and banes are in it there's some use but that's basically the end of it. I was thinking more of a permanent upgrade for Ultras that makes them less susceptible to spell damage. If you had to activate a spell shield on them.... I mean that would make it a lot weaker already. Even that would become borderline useless to the vast majority of players.
@@Broockle Oh the worker disco into a banewash is probably the second easiest save compared to an early game two queens and too damn many hellions scene. One thing to mention this would give burrowed banes a utility.
...they do know that liberators can attack air right? they are actually rather quite good at it, pretty much the best at it really when it comes to large numbers fighting large numbers. I mean, you'd imagine that a collection of the best players in the world would know the basic mechanics of the game but some things you see in pro games make you legitimately wonder, like watching as a dozen-odd vikings hover over the last remaining buildings of an opponent slowly dying one by one to a single remaining stalker while the terran player tries to maneuver them into the way of their opponent clicking on their last couple marines then GGing out when those die ^landed vikings and stalkers have the same range, similar health, and similar damage per shot against eachother but while stalkers have a bit more health vikings fire over twice as fast. vikings _slaughter_ stalkers in a straight up fight let alone when the stalker can't afford to retreat and yet I've seen pretty much that exact scenario on multiple occasions, it is truly bizzare when one of the best players in the world looses a game from a situation where their opponent would have literally no possible way to win against the casual AI.
He could have tried. It would've been fun to see, but I don't think it would've made much difference. Those liberators have no chance of getting closer (range 5 vs range 10 of broods) because of the vipers and infestors. Plus, libs air dmg is too inconsequential against the 225 health + 4 armor (full upgrade). Libs attack at 8 * 2 AoE, but armor takes it down to 4 * 2 = 8. 8 dmg at 5 range, at 1.29 atk cooldown, even considering AoE will not do much.
Just realised the game is slowed down Normal Starcraft goes a little bit faster than real time (including versus), and yet 44 minutes in the times are even So everything happening in that entire game was harder for both sides to pull off (and a little Exagerative of how long it took)
With the launch of LotV, they standardized the time clock to match real seconds and adjusted timings accordingly. The game speed is still the same, the numbers have just been adjusted to make more sense.
investment cost. those resources are generally needed to pump the rax and factory for most builds sinking more than 2 banshees is very risky. Florencio does do a 6 banshee/mass banshee build though. Banshees are very easy to kill glass cannon type unit. They need very good control to make them work
Because that would mean switching the starport over to a techlab to build a single unit, which would be very inefficient timewise and slow everything else down. Sure you could build it after the banshees, assuming you go that route, but again, that slows down everything after it - and in high level, pro matches, every second counts.
@@Draeckon No it's not a time issue, I'm only mid-masters so take it with a grain of salt. You can easily find the time once medivac production ceases, the starport becomes a dead asset in the midgame if you're not forced into aircontrol for the rare Broadford corruptor comp, and even then you need raven at that point. It's a change in comfort which is the cause, a reluctance for a capability modifier that protoss and zero players embrace.
The ability to spawn broodlings on broodlings should really be removed. I don’t want my wins to be swarm host like marathons. I don’t have time to play games that long!
idk if this is a hot take or not but i think hellions should have to morph(like banelings) if they can become hellbats, appropriate stats should apply of course. it just seems strange to me that a basic car should be able to transform(ers) into a mech with a per unit costless upgrade
@@2639theboss Hellbats aren't worthless as much as they're just worth less than the conventional options, which is a big problem with Terran balance. Hellbats are actually good into the mass lings that is popular now but they just don't have the versatility of the MMM so with just some additional micro you have a lot more options so no one ever uses them. It's why it took so long for hellbat/thor to really catch on because people pretty much forgot their speciality against zerglings and broodlings.
@@2639theboss No it's worth is just overshadowed in favour of flexibility. Hellbats are still better in their best situations. The same happens with thors, Battlecruisers and ravens (in any non TvT matchup)
@@nfzeta128 Flexibility is part of a units worth. They arent separate. Queens and oracles arent "overshadowed" by their flexibility. Theyre good units. And hellbats are shite. They cant be used at all in TvP, or TvT, and theyre only used in late-game mech for TvZ.
i assume by early on you refer to when dark decides not to march his units up the ramp into the bunker? because that was as well executed as it could be...
@@bovinepro8075 Yes, when Z pushed with Broodlords and could have kept pushing since T didn't really have a proper response, he instead backed off and let T rebuild.
38:11 there's something uniquely comedic about watching this chad Ghost gutting Dark's last mining base, only to turn around and get run over by 20 banelings, his screams of pain and horror abruptly cut off by a camera change
Dark holding onto like 15 banelings for ten whole minutes was just... Chef's kiss
44:15 Cure's minerals mined 69420
Whats the win condition? "Wait until they decide to lose" - Dark
This is such a truth of Starcraft. And it goes both ways, you can't win until you decide to.
40 minute game featuring two team mates? This is gonna be an amazing cast
How excited Winter got at 23:25 🤣
Cure is the real winner with 69420 minerals mined
44:15
39:33 this is how it feels to play Stukov in Co-Op
No one makes me love watching Zerg like Dark and Rogue.
Pros: people who would go to ridiculous length and effort to gain the most tiniest of advantage.
Me: tried that "new" brood trick years ago in campaigns, figured it's a waste of effort, and never tried it again.
It pretty much is wasted effort. He was only doing it because they were both staring at each other for 15 mins so he had nothing better to do.
Really nice game, great casting as is normal!
that thumbnail bit at 31:30 killed me haha
God that broodlord micro trick looks so cool but it seems like it barely does any damage for the work takes. If it wasnt for the siege tanks, i think it barely does damage to whats in front.
Edit: the yanks into the army of broodlings though seems worth it
Edit 2: alright, towards the ending i am convinced I should try broodling micro-ing now.
I was mostly watching for the standoff between the yoinks and the snipes keeping each other at bay 😆
BLs deal damage on attack and the broodling nibble is just extra dps that does comparatively little I think. Siegetank friendly fire I think has more value than the nibble 😅
They don't live long either so if they have to waddle to the enemy they'll hardly get anything done with 1/3 of their time left, insane micro for very little return value. Really only got a hellbat or half a tank at a time.
Crazy he got to do that, it felt like both of them were tunnel visioning hard on that bridge there.
It's definitely not worth it if there's an active game going on, but when there's a total stalemate and the map is mined out, for the sake of drawing fire, distracting the opponent, using up medivac energy, and costing some amount of minerals and gas in repairs, it's worth it for the literally nothing it costs you.
@@MrGeorgeFlorcus and also dislodging a Terran by any other means is kind of suicidal.
Edit: Hitting other places is technically an option but with terran having sensor towers and zerg using broodlords, the most you can do is a few lings that will die to planetaries.
He's done it over and over again. It works and seems to have a very high rate of success. But the key is patience I think. He held those banelings so long.
@@Broockle It's a lot of micro for very little return. But when the map is mined out, trading 0 cost units for any damage at all is a favorable trade.
I love how at 34:21 you say who your favorite Dutch 90's rock star is
Great casting
Brood lords are basically ray-mans with wings
"He's so good at these broods. It's a disgusting art"
I can't say I've ever seen disgusting art of brood lords, but I have of zerglings.
"a lot of things came in my mind, and I'm ashamed of some of them"
The first thing that came into my mind when you said that was skullfucking. Because... you know... they _came_ in your mind.
what a great match :D
There should be a hivetech upgrade that lets queens fly
or that gives Ultra's spell armor against snipes.... 🤔
@@Broockle Was thinking about something like that hours ago watching PiG and what came out was a baneling upgrade I'll call cohesion. Basically it's a manual -say hotkey C- detonate near your own units that grants four or less seconds of spell damage reduction like an inverted anti-armor missile. Cause having such an ability tied to a mana pool would be broken, the costly short range burp to save drones or two lurkers from storm felt okay. The APM cost to chain this felt like a good tax as well.
@@MrYago-xd7um
mmmm 99% of players dun have the apm for this. 😆
I'd want it to be less niche
How would you even micro the banelings to stick with the Ultras? I think even pro-players would have trouble using this.
And I can't even imagine how you would save your workers with this.
If someone puts a storm on your whole army and banes are in it there's some use but that's basically the end of it.
I was thinking more of a permanent upgrade for Ultras that makes them less susceptible to spell damage. If you had to activate a spell shield on them.... I mean that would make it a lot weaker already. Even that would become borderline useless to the vast majority of players.
@@Broockle Oh the worker disco into a banewash is probably the second easiest save compared to an early game two queens and too damn many hellions scene. One thing to mention this would give burrowed banes a utility.
@@MrYago-xd7um
but u'r not gonna burrow banes into each of your mineral lines and then detonate them in time.... just no
damn what a game!
My favorite zerg vs my favorite terran. Definitely a must-watch game.
Cure is my spirit animal.
Thanks!
Does blinding cloud affect hellchads?? Is that how Dark broke through??
Good to know Dark could retire and run a daycare.
Well that was just silly =D
ZvT with the zerg player having 6k less minerals lost, 5k less gas. Something you never see.
...they do know that liberators can attack air right? they are actually rather quite good at it, pretty much the best at it really when it comes to large numbers fighting large numbers.
I mean, you'd imagine that a collection of the best players in the world would know the basic mechanics of the game but some things you see in pro games make you legitimately wonder, like watching as a dozen-odd vikings hover over the last remaining buildings of an opponent slowly dying one by one to a single remaining stalker while the terran player tries to maneuver them into the way of their opponent clicking on their last couple marines then GGing out when those die
^landed vikings and stalkers have the same range, similar health, and similar damage per shot against eachother but while stalkers have a bit more health vikings fire over twice as fast. vikings _slaughter_ stalkers in a straight up fight let alone when the stalker can't afford to retreat and yet I've seen pretty much that exact scenario on multiple occasions, it is truly bizzare when one of the best players in the world looses a game from a situation where their opponent would have literally no possible way to win against the casual AI.
He could have tried. It would've been fun to see, but I don't think it would've made much difference. Those liberators have no chance of getting closer (range 5 vs range 10 of broods) because of the vipers and infestors. Plus, libs air dmg is too inconsequential against the 225 health + 4 armor (full upgrade). Libs attack at 8 * 2 AoE, but armor takes it down to 4 * 2 = 8. 8 dmg at 5 range, at 1.29 atk cooldown, even considering AoE will not do much.
Dark is Dark!!
You meant to say that his micro is laconic.
Just realised the game is slowed down
Normal Starcraft goes a little bit faster than real time (including versus), and yet 44 minutes in the times are even
So everything happening in that entire game was harder for both sides to pull off (and a little Exagerative of how long it took)
With the launch of LotV, they standardized the time clock to match real seconds and adjusted timings accordingly. The game speed is still the same, the numbers have just been adjusted to make more sense.
why don't terrans make a couple more banshees? They seem to be very efficient at 2, but why not 3-4-5?
investment cost. those resources are generally needed to pump the rax and factory for most builds sinking more than 2 banshees is very risky. Florencio does do a 6 banshee/mass banshee build though. Banshees are very easy to kill glass cannon type unit. They need very good control to make them work
love
Are brood lords good again? This doesn't feel right
What the hell was darks APM
What is with terrans and refusing to build one raven? Have it follow your army and you dont need to spend apm on scanning creep
Inability to build techlabs on starport it seems.
Because that would mean switching the starport over to a techlab to build a single unit, which would be very inefficient timewise and slow everything else down. Sure you could build it after the banshees, assuming you go that route, but again, that slows down everything after it - and in high level, pro matches, every second counts.
@@Draeckon No it's not a time issue, I'm only mid-masters so take it with a grain of salt. You can easily find the time once medivac production ceases, the starport becomes a dead asset in the midgame if you're not forced into aircontrol for the rare Broadford corruptor comp, and even then you need raven at that point. It's a change in comfort which is the cause, a reluctance for a capability modifier that protoss and zero players embrace.
I just realized, you could use mule after a scan, to make the enemy mineral deplete faster
The ability to spawn broodlings on broodlings should really be removed. I don’t want my wins to be swarm host like marathons. I don’t have time to play games that long!
Disgusting broods..
idk if this is a hot take or not but i think hellions should have to morph(like banelings) if they can become hellbats, appropriate stats should apply of course. it just seems strange to me that a basic car should be able to transform(ers) into a mech with a per unit costless upgrade
That makes the hellbat even more worthless......
@@2639theboss Hellbats aren't worthless as much as they're just worth less than the conventional options, which is a big problem with Terran balance.
Hellbats are actually good into the mass lings that is popular now but they just don't have the versatility of the MMM so with just some additional micro you have a lot more options so no one ever uses them.
It's why it took so long for hellbat/thor to really catch on because people pretty much forgot their speciality against zerglings and broodlings.
@@nfzeta128 So its almost worthless then. Got it.
@@2639theboss No it's worth is just overshadowed in favour of flexibility. Hellbats are still better in their best situations.
The same happens with thors, Battlecruisers and ravens (in any non TvT matchup)
@@nfzeta128 Flexibility is part of a units worth. They arent separate.
Queens and oracles arent "overshadowed" by their flexibility. Theyre good units.
And hellbats are shite. They cant be used at all in TvP, or TvT, and theyre only used in late-game mech for TvZ.
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yeahn zerg OP, festor viper is such bs
Cry
Yeah but the entirety of the zerg army requires those units to win at all. Otherwise the other races roll zerg
nice clickbait, "new micro trick", literally years old
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I have seen many games before... this one looks scripted... I felt like Z could have won early on and consistently allowed T to make a come back.
i assume by early on you refer to when dark decides not to march his units up the ramp into the bunker? because that was as well executed as it could be...
@@bovinepro8075 Yes, when Z pushed with Broodlords and could have kept pushing since T didn't really have a proper response, he instead backed off and let T rebuild.