Dark's INSANE Swarm Host strategy vs MaxPax! StarCraft 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ม.ค. 2024
- StarCraft 2 Tournament 2024 - SC2 Wardi Team Liquid Map Contest - Dark battles MaxPax in an absolutely INCREDIBLE Zerg vs Protoss duel!
StarCraft 2 Tournament 2023 - SC2 Wardi Team Liquid Map Contest 19 - MaxPax (Protoss) vs Dark (Zerg) - Best of 5
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ok ill watch it
And I probably would have anyway
Please give this comment 69 likes and I might watch another one. But I'll probably watch another one anyway
He sold me before he posted the click bait. 😂
Dark is such a joy to watch because he just seems to have so much fun playing SC2. When the military finally snags him it will be a day of mourning for me.
I have mourned so much
That will be the beginning of the end of North Korea...
i didnt think i'd see a comment referencing the coming Water Wars and their drafts in a sc2 video lol
21:55 "The Y axis tells the story... indeed because we are asking WHY is this happening and how did we get here."
You are brilliant Winter!!
Im only here for the grandma queen parodies : "Get of my creep!"
Absolutely great game. Put the first game on the list for this years best cast already, for sure.
Winter, two minutes after casting a game with Archons: "What if they fused together like... I'm trying to think of a scifi example."
I know right? 😂 if only there was a good example of a fusion of two different things in Starcraft... with the Zerg... that just happens to be a main character... it's on the tip of my queen of blades 😅
Thank you for making so many of my days a little bit better!
"The power is arguably overwhelming."
That cracked me up. God, I love SCII.
Sir Richard, the first of his name, was on a mission from god. He got the boys back together, and gave his life for the cause. He is gone, but not forgotten. Press F to pay respects!
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Sir archivald is always the last one to reach the nydus , though
@@enriquegarciacota3914 Last one out...last one in. We try not to hold it against him.
@@LucianDevine🤣🤣😂💀
Dark is the only SC2 player I would be able to rely on during the post-apocalypse. He seems like a very resourceful, competent, level-headed survivor, who also just happens to thrive is chaotic and unpredictable circumstances.
I would like to see maps where it’s more randomized on multiple levels to really force the players to utilize more improvised style of gameplay and less pre thought out template strategies.
In war, you should know how to respond to the unknowns and that would highlight just how versatile someone skills are when they have to constantly shift things around in regards to resources, choke points, map configurations and starting positions.
Would it be less balanced? Yes. But that also makes it more interesting to see what the best players are really and truly capable of achieving in a more sandbox type of environment.
Winter: Welcome back...
Me: Good to be back...
What I learned - if Winyer is asking us Please…it means 2 things
It’s gonna be a Dark match and it gonna be absolutely crazy but exciting
We wouldn’t be true winter fans if we didn’t oblige 😊
Holy shit that was an insain first match.
I just saw all the carriers and up a base, assumed Maxpax won.
I should have known.
Stone Cold Stunna wp Dark.
2:43 It is not window to the downside, it is mirror, and you see a sky reflection
Every time you ask Jimmy something all I can think of is that he's in a cage in your closet food deprived
Seeing the ultra and tapping has to be the funniest thing I’ve seen in a minute
That first match was total anarchy. Ricky the swarm host had enough being talked down to and went and got his brothers
Cloaked IRL - always entertaining. It'd be fun to finally see MaxPax at a live event somewhere.
I love that I can trust when you get serious with the video titles.
I would really like to see how much having a door would buff protoss on a proffesional level. The place I noticed it being such a glaring issue was in game 2 at 33:55 when those Zerglings were able to invade the natural and the main. When you watch it you can even see Dark looking surprised that he got in with that many Zerglings and took him a sec to move them further into MaxPax's base. I am sure there are better ideas but mine is called FORCEGATE!
The goal of this concept is to solve the problem of needing to put a single unit in a gap to keep enemy units out of your base. Its weird and clunky and as Winter has pointed out a glaring lack of extremely simple technology in an advanced aliens arsenal. I want to keep the solution as minimalistic as possible and require the least amount of effort on putting it in the game. I also want to keep it balanced but effective at what it does.
It works by linking two pylons and creating a forcefield between them. Friendly units can pass through freely and enemies cannot. The FORCEGATE's HP is the combined total of the pylons shields (so it would be equivalent to destroying a pylon wall in) and both pylons gain the shields of the FORCEGATE and as the wall is damaged they both lose the shields (to prevent taking down one pylon at range and destroying the entire FORCEGATE). This is a unique version of a door compared to Terran but still, IMO, equivalent in power. The FORCEGATE doesn't need to be raised or lowered to allow friendlies in but is also a much larger and easier to hit target compared to a single depot. The larger surface area means it's slightly more vulnerable to melee units compared to a supply depot.
The main balance concerns that can only be adressed by seeing it in action would be:
1. The interactions with shield batteries potentially making the FORCEGATE too strong.
2. If it needs some limiting factor on the number or placement of FORCEGATE's to prevent from unintentionally offensive uses like walling off an opponents base or some other unforseen cheese. Maybe making it so the Pylons used in the wall can't power buildings or maybe tying their creation to a nearby nexus.
The main things to watch out for are offensive uses of this concept as the intent is to make it entirely a defensive tool meant to ease the Protoss perpetual problem of units just walking into their base. Terrans have this technology already and Zerg don't suffer the same issue because well spread creep gives you fair warning the enemies are coming and the speed needed to marshall your units for a defense. Protoss suffer uniquely because they have low mobility and weak home defense. The entire race has the issue of Terran mech but don't have a bio alternative to use (This is obviously not a perfect metaphor but you get the idea).
Potential other ideas is to have it be a unique structure rather than using Pylons but I wanted it to have roughly the same cost and speed of a Terran wall. The Protoss unique racial ability of not needing a worker to stay with the building may offset this enough but part of my goal is to make this idea as simple to implement as possible. Another idea is to use two Shield Batteries instead of Pylons or just one Shield Battery and have it be an ability that disables its shield restoring ability to maintain the FORCEGATE.
Unfortunately the intern still working on this game still needs to go through 30 more reworks of the cyclone before he can do anything else as demanded by the Balance Council
@@GrippeeTV Dagnabbit! Forgot about those! We need those waaaaayyyy more than Protoss need door tech! I'm so dumb to forget that... Still I will leave the comment rather than delete it in shame so that maybe in 15 years the stars will allign and the intern will get drunk and watch this video and see this comment and forget about it for a year and then subconciously remember the idea and think it was his and then not implement it because Cyclone still needs a few more tweaks before SC3 comes out next week because the world ended and the few nerds left were able to trick the automated government AI system to sell them the rights to Starcraft for 76 bottlecaps and a desk fan.
Neural is insane as always, I bounce back and forth so much between thinking it's the most broken spell or not
Crazy thing is all maxpax had to do first game was send one unit to each base, then the infesters couldn't do shit. Sometimes less is more.
All he really had to do was kill the infestation pit. Felt almost scripted to leave Dark's investigation pit alive
or just split the observers so they didn't both get hit by one fungal.
They don't have all the information we do while watching. Maxpax couldn't risk it. What if a group of hydras suddenly showed up from a hidden base and picked the units off one by one?
@@udon6031 That is a valid point, I would say he knows for a fact there are groups of festors, so I think in that moment not keeping all your units together would be advantageous.
The holes to space on Amphion look like the Protoss version of an outhouse.
Just poop through a portal into space. It also gets rid of the need of sewers.... and we all know who lives there
That's how you get space mermaids.
Ricky approves this series.
hey! that's Sir Richard! give him some respect!!
@@jervey123 He gave his life for the cause, and his sacrifice was not in vain!
Thank you winter, you: Space, me and you at the same time: the final frontier
Dark realized that the only true counter to skytoss, was skytoss. Well played Dark
17:25 MaxPax should have recalled the army after destroying the infestation pit. It would take only a couple of seconds.
Would have denied neural parasite from researching
i trust you winter i will watch this, right after lunch
Wait, how is MaxPax playing against Dark??? Mapax is Dark on another account. How is Dark so good, that he can play on 2 accounts at once?
He plays protoss with his feet
Asking the real questions here.
Because it's Dark.
Dark Magic.
Nothing more entertaining than Dark doing Dark things.
well, he said trust
27:53 I choose to believe that when Winter does that, he is genuinely venting frustration.
I genuinely am beginning to think that casting Zerg matches is how Winter deals with his mental health problems. He gives himself therapy by creating a cast of SC based characters to speak out his problems :D
"Max can't catch a break but all the banes it seems" WinterSC after slow banes masterplan kill two warping in templars, which was only possible by delaying bane speed for 5 minutes. Absolute beyond godlike "masterplan" :D
Funny thing about that first game is that if Maxpax just split up all his skytoss units, he'd probably have been fine. Dark had literally no anti-air, so dark could only kill Maxpax's units when they were together.
First match was GOAT Zerg. Full spectrum entertainment; Dark is a showman.
Winter, you are vibing! I felt a several casts ago that you seemed a bit patterned and may be tired, but I absolutely love your recent commentaries! Keep the juice going!
I trusted you Winter. I watched the game. And I don't regret my faith in you.
#1 most frustrating Zerg strategy to deal with. Good try by MaxPax.
PLEASE announce some more Beyond All Reason gameplay. Trust me.
True also same
What do you mean, Winter? 🥺
We watch all of your Most Professionals StarCraft 2 cast!
"Terrans are boring and sad."
Best line ever.
From a person that enjoys sporadically (but with great hype) his videos:
That is NOT a clickbait. Absolute madness ❤
I can't believe what I just witnessed. PvZ is literally the only thing that's keeping SC2 worth watching, but WOW is it doing a good job. Incredible match.
ZvT is really good too
My brah hasn't watched Clem recently, eh? And by that I mean his TvZ performance.
@@ZCasavant I find them so boring. Since the patch, the games take forever and are the exact same style out of the Terrans. Widow mine marine is just broken due to the bane nerf.
"give him a mouth so he can scream" is the quote of the year
You asked so nicely, I have to watch it
Thanks for not being clickbait.
late game base races are always good games and this was def up there.
Only because you asked so nicely.
Nice games haha, caught this live. Small correction: you got the games backwards, the first game cast here was played second, so it was especially crazy thinking that MP was bringing us to a G3 and slowly realizing that Dark wasn’t planning on letting that happen! Thanks for the cast though. (Edit: although I guess maybe you intentionally swapped the two, which is a neat idea if so!)
Richard the Swarmheart, commander of the 451st Crusade against the heretical Protoss. His team has been nicknamed “Dark Swarm” and is known for its unparalleled economical value with FREE(!) units
the final boss. wtf was that. holy shit. that was crazy. It's only January and this is THE GAME OF THE YEAR!
30:25 ok new meme time: dark - younger picture, dark dark - dark with moustache
Ok that was incredible. Dark really pulled through at the end there
I love the intense back and forth games
Dark is a gift to Starcraft 2 fans.
The thing you called portal to another dimension is probably a mirror or a water pool that reflects the sky.
Love watching your stream man. I'm so terrible at this game to I get to live through these guys.
what a chaotic games only Dark can produce this madness
How to defeat Skythos? Use neural parasites and play as Skythos too.
Wowwow what a game!! Was on edge of seat game 1 with the infestors 😮
Such an intense game, it felt so close on the surface, the strategy Dark was using was wearing MaxPax down mentally.
That first game was so intense!!
2:13 is that battlestar galactica reference in the doodads?
You made me enjoy SC2 again, thankyou.
You had me at "please" 👉👈
In the words of my humorous mother, "just twist my arm why don't ya?" LOL
The energy and perspectives you bring to your casts are just next level, thoroughly appreciate you and what you do Winter ❤
Will def watch
Man what a crazy game. Im glad I trusted that title to watch it!
Dark is the scariest human being I've ever seen play
I am here because I trust Winter... Let's see how good this is...
Dark is SO FUCKING SMART HERE. Like how was Maxpax supposed to figure that game one base trade?
17:28 if maxpax kills the infestation pit it’s GG no infestors later in the game and no more neural parasite…
Winter the commentary on this had me rotf. Particularly the "Give him a mouth so he can scream"
Dark at his peak: 35:34 😆
7:11 PREACH
It was a convincing argument!!
IMO swarm hosts' locusts should be balanced around them losing health constantly instead of having a static timer. Just a bit stupid to deal almost 99% damage to a locust, then it just expires.
Could then rebalance swarm hosts based on this idea.
They are the weakest zerg unit, there is 0 need to nerf it, the unit is in a good place right now, weak, rarely made, but situationally useful in certain builds during certain timings of the game.
@@yandepadua4895 that's why I said we could rebalance it.
Please learn to read entire comments before replying
@@GameFuMaster I read your entire comment and I disagree with your opinion, I dont think that an unit in a good spot should be a rebalance target.
People thinking that your ideas are bad are not necessarily misunderstanding you.
"porque no los dos?" hahahaha
yep
It's late at night and I'm not sober... I'll trust you.
this is STREET Starcraft!!
Wow crazy game!
Dark is the villain SC2 needs!
MUSTACHE TWIRLING TACTICS! mauhauhuhauha
I trusted you and I was not disappointed.
Well.... Damn
Dark flows like water
2:40 we are in the Twilight Zone.
At the end of first game why MaxPax didn't throw exactly 1 unit (carrier or tempest) to every opponent base location? I know that infestors still can use fungal growth to damage them but it is fairly weak against single target and high hp units. Neural parasite would only delay the game and that might be enough for Dark to rebuild his bases but still that sounds much better than flying randomly around with bunch of units grouped together.
Dark's wins are just insane! He's such a good strategic mind.
Wow...........just finished game one .........HOLY SHIT!!!
Hell of a game
Haven't watched it yet, but immediately upon seeing dark vs maxpax... It's dark vs dark isn't it. He's merely dancing our entertainment isn't he...
Locusts really need to die after a certain distance from the swarm host. WAY too powerful as is. No way that forge shoulda died to a single wave of locusts that fast.
That thumbnail just oozes trust.
I expected clickbait, but this is the best game of 2024 by far, I'm calling it early.
How did I not know there was a second channel until now >.>
God damn the first game.. it had my lazy ass standing up for like whole 10 mins! Ggs!
And the imitation of Dark.. was 10/10, Sending a Oscar.