The fact YODa could output enough power in Ataru to make all his opponents actively flee like palpatine despite his old age and its taxing strain on the body. Speaks volumes of his pure skill.
Rey's "stand in one place and use wide swings" is reminiscent of Form 1. She was also able to cut Kylo's mask without totally removing his face, which is like the precision of form 2. She may never have blocked a single blaster bolt in the entire trilogy, but the worst she ever got was some dirt on her face and a single scratch on her arm at one point, meaning she has to be at least proficient in form 3. Rey will also throw in the occasional spin, as it's a good trick, showing that she knows form 4. She puts the full brunt of her power into every strike, just like they do in form 5. She's shown to use the force to block an opponent's blade once or twice, but more importantly she can tap into the force at will to pull an instant uno reverse card regardless of her opponent's power or skill; incorporating force moves is a trademark of form 6. And with how much screaming she does there's no way she isn't a master of form 7. So when you think about it, Rey is technically a practitioner (and probably a master) of all seven forms! (This is a joke btw, please don't take it seriously.)
Rey's "stand in one place and use wide swings" is reminiscent of Form 1. She was also able to cut Kylo's mask without totally removing his face, which is like the precision of form 2. She may never have blocked a single blaster bolt in the entire trilogy, but the worst she ever got was some dirt on her face and a single scratch on her arm at one point, meaning she has to be at least proficient in form 3. Rey will also throw in the occasional spin, as it's a good trick, showing that she knows form 4. She puts the full brunt of her power into every strike, just like they do in form 5. She's shown to use the force to block an opponent's blade once or twice, but more importantly she can tap into the force at will to pull an instant uno reverse card regardless of her opponent's power or skill; incorporating force moves is a trademark of form 6. And with how much screaming she does there's no way she isn't a master of form 7. So when you think about it, Rey is technically a practitioner (and probably a master) of all seven forms! (This is a joke btw, please don't take it seriously.)
Okay you convinced me, noone will ever expect the Uno reverse card being pulled on them in the middle of a duel. Maybe she is fit to lead the Jedi after all
A piece of lore they should have added ages ago is that lightsabers take time to cut things, so the faster you swing the less effective it is. Otherwise, wouldn't flicking your wrist around really fast basically be the ultimate style? The blade is weightless and it cuts things both effortlessly and instantaneously...
But then the Inquisitor whirly-blade sabers wouldn't make any sense and we'd lose an important part of the lore and........wait, those already don't make sense. Nevermind, this is a good idea and nothing of value would be lost.
"Form 2 is vulnerable to multiple attackers" *Dooku casually placing Obi-Wan on offense and Anakin on defense, thus controlling the fight on Oba Diah:*
Dooku's hardly the average form 2 user though. That's like saying that strength actually is more important than skill in an MMA fight because of that match between Eddie Hall and two tiny MMA fighters.
Kit fisto got a better fight against palpatine in the Lego star wars skywalker saga My understanding was that he helped to block some attacks in the direction of windu and distracted palpatine long enough to give windu a edge to keep fighting alone
Yeah i know that he was actually very powerful, it's just the revenge of the sith scene that made him and the other council members look rather weak hence i just poked a bit of fun at him
Rey is a master of form zero: maraiasuetan. This from emphasizes overly dramatic lightsaber spinning and flashy movements to confuse a target and leave them open for attack. If this fails however the user is expected to swing their blade around randomly and hope everything works out.
11:41 I wasn’t expecting Loyd’s face here In a Star Wars lightsaber fighting form documentary… I thought I got accustomed to that smile already (I was wrong).
For a Duelist like Dooku to have to resort to cutting off Anakin's Arm to win was an admission that if the fight had continued Young Skywalker would have eventually gotten the better of him, it was essentially him Kicking Anakin in the balls. Anakin cutting both Dookus hands off in the rematch was not just a Diss but Anakin proving that He was in fact the superior duelist. Anakin was Beast Mode in Episode 3 He was slaying Master Duelists as Darth Vader. His Battle with Obi-Wan was essentially the Irresistible Force vs the Immovable Object.
4:19 To be fair Dooku was asked to go easy on Anakin, which is why he wasn't surprised when he lost the dual and said nothing. Promised that it was a farce, Doku was only shocked when Palpatine told Anakin to kill Dooku.
Correct. It was added by later authours to expand the setting in neat ways. Although it wasn't part of the original plan, that doesn't mean we have to chuck it out the window puritanically.
I always liked the 2v1 dooku vs anikin+obi wan in the clone wars where you can see how dooku is actively pursuing anikin while making obi wan chase after him,exploiting both forms' weaknesses simultaneously. a testament to his skill and strategical mind
Obi-wan was a master of soresu but characters with good but not perfect skill in the form (kanan jarrus in season 3-4 for example) shows how good soresu is for the Jedi in ideology and power to win fights
No, by Episode 3. In the novelization, Mace essentially confirms that Obi-wan is *The* Master of Soresu, to the point it had no weakness. Which is why Grievous, whose ability to analyze and replicate lightsaber forms faltered against it since he couldn’t pick Obi-wan apart the same way Grievous could exploit Yoda(Ataru is too physically demanding for someone as old as him) or Windu(As the creator of Vaapad, he needs both to complete and improve himself in it seperately, which means he’s only *a* master instead of *the* master). Even DOOKU got utterly stonewalled in the novel, forcing him to overpower Obi-wan through the Force on top of his Makashi, resulting in him being too exhausted to handle Anakin. Which apparently was Anakin and Obi-wan’s plan all along.
In AoC, Obi Wan actually uses Ataru. He's not even proficient with Soresu. That experience actually sets him down the track to mastering it. We see his expression of Soresu particularly in RotS, in his fight with Dooku, and he only loses that exchange due to his weak force wall.
No obiwan had used soresu in episode 2, he just hadnt refined his technique to the point where he contends against the likes of general grievous and pre suit vader
I believe anakin was a shien practitioner when he first faced dooku, he switched to jem so because he lost that duel and started to take lightsaber combat more seriously
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I really liked this video I've heard and read a bit about lightsaber forms before, but i really like your simple and pictographic presentation (i know that more of a general design choice and not specific to this, but still) I especially liked your somewhat yet not completely short presentations AND your focus of advantages and disadvantages Good job my guy👍
Ayo, where my trakata form fans at?? Seriously though, i love trakata being percieved as the unsportsmanlike/cowardly form, when in reality it is the survivors form. Cowardice/sportsmanship dont really matter as long as you are the last one standing
It is not a form, it is a technique and it is not recommended when you are fighting against experienced duelists. The moment you turn your lightsaber on and off, you will be crossed by the opponent's lightsaber, not to mention that many of the other forms are based on predicting the opponent's movement. not to mention master who can use clairvoyance.
@remoteromance6256 is it not? I thought it was. Even still, a master of trakata would be something to beholden. Such an unusual style would require equal parts mastery and deception. As stated, survivalists' style. Edit: wookiepedia calls it a "style" of combat, while others refer to it as a "forbidden form." Sorry if my assertion was contradictory to its nature. But i would also like to mention that true clairvoyance in star wars was incredibly rare, and anticipating the moves of your opponent is a staple of combat. Im not saying its a form thats best, im saying that its mastery could lead a wildly unique combat style.
so will there be a follow up?, for: (copy pasted from the star wars 5e fan game) -Jar’Kai Form, also known as Domination Form (2 sabers) -Trakata Form, also known as Deception Form (turn off your saber mid-fight) -Vonil/Ishu Form, also known as Unity Form ( team work based forms (vonil as the oportunistic attack, ishu as the oportunistic defense of allies) -Ysannanite Form, also know as the Unorthodox Form ( bring a gun like a pirate mate-y)
I wanna know the form where the enemy's weapons just clip through Jedis and disappears the the next frame just like Ray and Ren against the red guards of Snoke.
Form 7. Trakata the form no one uses becuase it’s too unsportsmanlike for Jedi and too cowardly for sith. It involves turning your lightsaber off and then on during a fight. I’m not sure if this is legends or canon though
It is not a way, it is a technique that is not very effective against open forces who know how to read the opponent's movements. Once you turn your saber on and off you will already be dead, that is why it is a technique of last resort.
The thing with fourm 6 it's too complex that it takes 10 years to master it because its too complex jedi don't want to take time to learn it plus it became useless in the beginning of the clone war because every jedi that died on the battle of Geonois was a fourm 6 user
Anakin did combine some elements of Form IV into his lightsaber combat style, though combined them with the Djem So variant of Form V instead of the Shien variant like Ahsoka did. Anakin originally studied Shien after briefly studying some Form IV, but took an interest in Djem So after the ass whooping Dooku handed to him on Geonosis.
Not necessarily, Form I is a good start to learning the basics. All younglings are taught Form I, though very few go on to specialize in it like Kit Fisto did. True mastery means surrending to The Force itself and letting that control your movements. VI was lethal in the hands of a true master like Revan or Exar Kun. VII is dangerous to both the user and their opponent. Mace Windu is one of the few Jedi who were able to use it without falling to the dark side. The theory behind Vaapad is sound, but in practice it is nearly impossible to wield safely.
Let me know your favourite Lightsaber form, for me, I always used General Grievous's lawnmover form to swat flies out of the air...👀
What about Trakata or the Forbidden Form?
Wb Jar Kai
Palpatine did not let Windu win certainly. Even George Lucas admited that Windu won fair and square.
Fair, but theorizing that Palpy saw Anakin and took the chance to fully embrace him into the dark side is fun😛
Don’t forget Obi-Wan’s use of form 8 in the movies, the forbidden blaster 🔫😎
So uncivilized...
The fact YODa could output enough power in Ataru to make all his opponents actively flee like palpatine despite his old age and its taxing strain on the body. Speaks volumes of his pure skill.
Damn I wanted to learn about Disney form, where they do nothing but swing them into their surroundings and act like they are sledgehammers
That would be dull battleaxe form
@@mastermichael0751you mean baseball/dull battle axe/sledge hammer form
Rey's "stand in one place and use wide swings" is reminiscent of Form 1. She was also able to cut Kylo's mask without totally removing his face, which is like the precision of form 2. She may never have blocked a single blaster bolt in the entire trilogy, but the worst she ever got was some dirt on her face and a single scratch on her arm at one point, meaning she has to be at least proficient in form 3. Rey will also throw in the occasional spin, as it's a good trick, showing that she knows form 4. She puts the full brunt of her power into every strike, just like they do in form 5. She's shown to use the force to block an opponent's blade once or twice, but more importantly she can tap into the force at will to pull an instant uno reverse card regardless of her opponent's power or skill; incorporating force moves is a trademark of form 6. And with how much screaming she does there's no way she isn't a master of form 7.
So when you think about it, Rey is technically a practitioner (and probably a master) of all seven forms!
(This is a joke btw, please don't take it seriously.)
That’s BATaru, they went over it
Ah yes, ‘World Series’ form, renowned for its mediocrity and underwhelming motion
Rey's "stand in one place and use wide swings" is reminiscent of Form 1. She was also able to cut Kylo's mask without totally removing his face, which is like the precision of form 2. She may never have blocked a single blaster bolt in the entire trilogy, but the worst she ever got was some dirt on her face and a single scratch on her arm at one point, meaning she has to be at least proficient in form 3. Rey will also throw in the occasional spin, as it's a good trick, showing that she knows form 4. She puts the full brunt of her power into every strike, just like they do in form 5. She's shown to use the force to block an opponent's blade once or twice, but more importantly she can tap into the force at will to pull an instant uno reverse card regardless of her opponent's power or skill; incorporating force moves is a trademark of form 6. And with how much screaming she does there's no way she isn't a master of form 7.
So when you think about it, Rey is technically a practitioner (and probably a master) of all seven forms!
(This is a joke btw, please don't take it seriously.)
Okay you convinced me, noone will ever expect the Uno reverse card being pulled on them in the middle of a duel. Maybe she is fit to lead the Jedi after all
Realistically she's probably Padawan/youngling level in all of the forms, but her very strong connection to the force gives her an edge
@@ZomboidMania"her connection to the force"? I'd just call it plot armor and/or bad writing
@@ZomboidManiait's just bad and lazy writing
Haha dude...These are alot of words for one of the worst written and honestly wasted characters in star wars.
I'm not convinced. 😅
A piece of lore they should have added ages ago is that lightsabers take time to cut things, so the faster you swing the less effective it is.
Otherwise, wouldn't flicking your wrist around really fast basically be the ultimate style?
The blade is weightless and it cuts things both effortlessly and instantaneously...
It would be best, but watching jedi fight like 3 y/o's with a laserpointer wouldnt be entertaining.
@@anita-rw3mx Speak for yourself, sir!
I'd enjoy that for at least 5 minutes
But then the Inquisitor whirly-blade sabers wouldn't make any sense and we'd lose an important part of the lore and........wait, those already don't make sense. Nevermind, this is a good idea and nothing of value would be lost.
I wasn't really thinking about subbing but that sequel disrespect was too well delivered
"Form 2 is vulnerable to multiple attackers"
*Dooku casually placing Obi-Wan on offense and Anakin on defense, thus controlling the fight on Oba Diah:*
Dooku's hardly the average form 2 user though. That's like saying that strength actually is more important than skill in an MMA fight because of that match between Eddie Hall and two tiny MMA fighters.
Kit fisto got a better fight against palpatine in the Lego star wars skywalker saga
My understanding was that he helped to block some attacks in the direction of windu and distracted palpatine long enough to give windu a edge to keep fighting alone
I actually didn't know that perspective, good catch!
Kit Fisto is the one who came closest to defeating Grievous before Obi Wan took him out.
Yeah i know that he was actually very powerful, it's just the revenge of the sith scene that made him and the other council members look rather weak hence i just poked a bit of fun at him
I always thought, "wow, those are jedi masters?" even as a 10 year old lmao @StickmanAnakin
@StickmanAnakin I think Kit should have faked his death at the very least and leave the rest of the duel to Windu.
Rey is a master of form zero: maraiasuetan. This from emphasizes overly dramatic lightsaber spinning and flashy movements to confuse a target and leave them open for attack. If this fails however the user is expected to swing their blade around randomly and hope everything works out.
11:41 I wasn’t expecting Loyd’s face here In a Star Wars lightsaber fighting form documentary… I thought I got accustomed to that smile already (I was wrong).
For a Duelist like Dooku to have to resort to cutting off Anakin's Arm to win was an admission that if the fight had continued Young Skywalker would have eventually gotten the better of him, it was essentially him Kicking Anakin in the balls. Anakin cutting both Dookus hands off in the rematch was not just a Diss but Anakin proving that He was in fact the superior duelist. Anakin was Beast Mode in Episode 3 He was slaying Master Duelists as Darth Vader. His Battle with Obi-Wan was essentially the Irresistible Force vs the Immovable Object.
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4:19 To be fair Dooku was asked to go easy on Anakin, which is why he wasn't surprised when he lost the dual and said nothing. Promised that it was a farce, Doku was only shocked when Palpatine told Anakin to kill Dooku.
Love the thumbnail
That Spaceball gif is the best use for that BATaru bit
Grievous' lawn mower form is realy more an aplication of Shi-Cho addapted for his cybernetic body.
LIGHTSABER COMBAT FORMS WERE ADDED INTO STAR WARS RETROACTIVELY, NONE OF THE CHOREOGRAPHERS OF STAR WARS ACTUALLY HAD THEM IN MIND!
🤓🔫
Ok, everyone knew this
Shouting? Tell us how you REALLY feel. LOL
FR? (French Revolution?)
Correct. It was added by later authours to expand the setting in neat ways. Although it wasn't part of the original plan, that doesn't mean we have to chuck it out the window puritanically.
I always liked the 2v1 dooku vs anikin+obi wan in the clone wars where you can see how dooku is actively pursuing anikin while making obi wan chase after him,exploiting both forms' weaknesses simultaneously. a testament to his skill and strategical mind
Fun fact: when you speed the video up to 2x, his voice sounds similar to a battle droid
Obi-wan was a master of soresu but characters with good but not perfect skill in the form (kanan jarrus in season 3-4 for example) shows how good soresu is for the Jedi in ideology and power to win fights
No, by Episode 3. In the novelization, Mace essentially confirms that Obi-wan is *The* Master of Soresu, to the point it had no weakness. Which is why Grievous, whose ability to analyze and replicate lightsaber forms faltered against it since he couldn’t pick Obi-wan apart the same way Grievous could exploit Yoda(Ataru is too physically demanding for someone as old as him) or Windu(As the creator of Vaapad, he needs both to complete and improve himself in it seperately, which means he’s only *a* master instead of *the* master).
Even DOOKU got utterly stonewalled in the novel, forcing him to overpower Obi-wan through the Force on top of his Makashi, resulting in him being too exhausted to handle Anakin. Which apparently was Anakin and Obi-wan’s plan all along.
I remember hearing that some of these forms were modeled after samurai sword styles. i wouldnt be surprised if this is true
Makashi is based off of fencing so its probably true
In AoC, Obi Wan actually uses Ataru. He's not even proficient with Soresu. That experience actually sets him down the track to mastering it. We see his expression of Soresu particularly in RotS, in his fight with Dooku, and he only loses that exchange due to his weak force wall.
there is also "Sith Shien" , the modified form used by Galen Marek (starkiller)
6:17 Obiwan used Ataru in attack of the clones
No obiwan had used soresu in episode 2, he just hadnt refined his technique to the point where he contends against the likes of general grievous and pre suit vader
Obi-wan used Ataru while training under QGJ, but after QGJ fell, he decided to switch to soresu, as he saw the flaws with Ataru
I believe anakin was a shien practitioner when he first faced dooku, he switched to jem so because he lost that duel and started to take lightsaber combat more seriously
Honestly, I think Makashi is the closest to what real swords fights are in real life. It is fast, efficient, and doesn’t have any time for flair.
Hi mate great videos,I have a video suggestion for you."Answering my viewers questions!"(if you do make this my question is "What is the average life span of Yoda's species?")
Hey, thanks for the suggestion, definitely something to look into later down the line :)
Fun fact about form 2: you are more likely have a better chance against this form using a blaster than using a lightsaber or force powers.
The force ability use with form 6 niman is really underrated
Good Video ❤
3:46 Obi-Wan Was mainly using form 4 ataru against Count Dooku in AOTC. Edit: Same thing with 6:26.
That AI image of a Jedi with a metal sword is sooooo cursed. Holy shit look at that arm
Why is no one here yet
Man we need to honour this stickman red five
Bro you giving me ideas hahaha, stickmanakin in an xwing coming up
@@StickmanAnakin no problem
Rey doesn't have a form, it's just swing wildly and you might hit something.
I really liked this video
I've heard and read a bit about lightsaber forms before, but i really like your simple and pictographic presentation (i know that more of a general design choice and not specific to this, but still)
I especially liked your somewhat yet not completely short presentations AND your focus of advantages and disadvantages
Good job my guy👍
Ayo, where my trakata form fans at??
Seriously though, i love trakata being percieved as the unsportsmanlike/cowardly form, when in reality it is the survivors form. Cowardice/sportsmanship dont really matter as long as you are the last one standing
It is not a form, it is a technique and it is not recommended when you are fighting against experienced duelists. The moment you turn your lightsaber on and off, you will be crossed by the opponent's lightsaber, not to mention that many of the other forms are based on predicting the opponent's movement. not to mention master who can use clairvoyance.
@remoteromance6256 is it not? I thought it was. Even still, a master of trakata would be something to beholden. Such an unusual style would require equal parts mastery and deception. As stated, survivalists' style.
Edit: wookiepedia calls it a "style" of combat, while others refer to it as a "forbidden form." Sorry if my assertion was contradictory to its nature. But i would also like to mention that true clairvoyance in star wars was incredibly rare, and anticipating the moves of your opponent is a staple of combat. Im not saying its a form thats best, im saying that its mastery could lead a wildly unique combat style.
so will there be a follow up?, for: (copy pasted from the star wars 5e fan game)
-Jar’Kai Form, also known as Domination Form (2 sabers)
-Trakata Form, also known as Deception Form (turn off your saber mid-fight)
-Vonil/Ishu Form, also known as Unity Form ( team work based forms (vonil as the oportunistic attack, ishu as the oportunistic defense of allies)
-Ysannanite Form, also know as the Unorthodox Form ( bring a gun like a pirate mate-y)
Those aren't true forms, more like techniques
I would have liked to hear something about Jar'Kai
The lightsabre forms are missing two philosophical points Muramasa and Masamune!
Kit fisto lasted until anakin arrived in legends and only died due to being distracted
Where was that written?
@ idk I saw it in an eckartsladder video
@StickmanAnakin it was in the novelisation, which is not canon in either canon nor legends, novels are only secondary canon
Soresu is basically PARRY
3:45 Obiwan was using Ataru in attack of the clones
He used form 4 in the episode 1 he changed his lightsaber form to form 3 after his master died
These names remind me of U dertale's soul traits.
I wanna know the form where the enemy's weapons just clip through Jedis and disappears the the next frame just like Ray and Ren against the red guards of Snoke.
Form 7. Trakata the form no one uses becuase it’s too unsportsmanlike for Jedi and too cowardly for sith. It involves turning your lightsaber off and then on during a fight. I’m not sure if this is legends or canon though
It was used in the series 'The Acolyte', so it is canon.
Believe me when i say that the series is not worth to watch tho
It is not a way, it is a technique that is not very effective against open forces who know how to read the opponent's movements. Once you turn your saber on and off you will already be dead, that is why it is a technique of last resort.
The sequel stray is deserved and earned
Thanks!
Man, wonder what we should call Rey and kilo ren lightsaber form
Smash with a hammer form
Batem So
11:48 am I crazy or is that a plane in the background of the audio
If I was very strong in the force Ataro and Niman. If not shen master.
The thing with fourm 6 it's too complex that it takes 10 years to master it because its too complex jedi don't want to take time to learn it plus it became useless in the beginning of the clone war because every jedi that died on the battle of Geonois was a fourm 6 user
Weren't there Form IIs who were gunned down by Droids on Geonosis?
Where do u get these images? 0:01
Did only that one youtuber see obi wan kenobi on the offensive and anakin on the defensive in the count dooku battle or was he just lying
Wait Jedis used to have normal swords?
Yes, above all the Sith infused the sword with the power of the force to make them more durable.
@remoteromance6256 yeah but then they started using lightsabers right?
@cypher6009 Then they started using protosabers, basically a lightsaber with a power pack connected to it.
Ngl thought Rey was in a diaper
What about... the *forbidden* form?
meanwhile HEMA would just decimate opponents using them, why i say this? it's all of them at once minus emotions.
0:20 that image is not a parry. It is a basic block.
a basic block *is* a parry. if you’re using your blade to stop another blade, that’s a parry.
So uncivilised
Yoda using lightsaber is blasphemy. For his weapon is the Force. Not those crude matter.
Wasn't Anakin form is form 4?
No, he was very well known for form 5, the form was built around him even I'd say
@StickmanAnakin oh never mind my bad I think that was another Jedi I confused with Anakin.
Anakin did combine some elements of Form IV into his lightsaber combat style, though combined them with the Djem So variant of Form V instead of the Shien variant like Ahsoka did. Anakin originally studied Shien after briefly studying some Form IV, but took an interest in Djem So after the ass whooping Dooku handed to him on Geonosis.
When he was a apprentice he did use form 4 even tho his true form was form 5 with his acrobatics during the clone wars he did use it
@@BladeEdge86Anakin did the equivalent of changing your entire build to beat one boss
9:18 Offense* Defense*
Those are the British spellings, much like color vs colour
@@NeotheHero Yeah that makes sense, although I thought British spelling was only different due to pronunciation.
Rey Is Goated!
Ha! Is that supposed to be some sort of joke?
@dakotatichelio273 Nope She Is The Best A Prodigy!
@@KenanVonKaiser Again this is a joke she is a Mary Sue and deserves the hate she gets. You can’t convince me otherwise.
@@dakotatichelio273 Typical Anti Woke Propaganda!
Don’t feed the trolls.
I quit after i got hit with 2 gasps in a row, hire an editor plz
So basically all forms are usles except form 2 and form 5
Yup
Obviously not
Not necessarily, Form I is a good start to learning the basics. All younglings are taught Form I, though very few go on to specialize in it like Kit Fisto did. True mastery means surrending to The Force itself and letting that control your movements. VI was lethal in the hands of a true master like Revan or Exar Kun. VII is dangerous to both the user and their opponent. Mace Windu is one of the few Jedi who were able to use it without falling to the dark side. The theory behind Vaapad is sound, but in practice it is nearly impossible to wield safely.
Each form has its uses with each user using its strengths and advantages to other forms
Obviously not, only form 4 is kinda useless