Revo High Flow FIRST LOOK! The LATEST From E3D!
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- Are you excited as we are about the new Revo High Flow Nozzle from @E3DOnline?! 🤩 This nozzle is releasing today, and we made a video to give you the inside scoop! The nozzle flaunts optimized internal geometry, increased thermal transfer, and so much more!
A huge thanks goes to our friends at E3D! They were kind enough to give us early access to the nozzle so that we could try it out for ourselves before its official release and tell you guys all about it. We appreciate it!
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Revo High Flow Blog Post: e3d-online.com/blogs/news/rev...
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0:00 Intro
1:35 E3D/Bondtech Partnership
2:29 How Does It Work?
4:43 How They Stack Up Against Other High Flow Nozzles
6:55 The All New 60W Heater Core
7:25 Flow Rates
8:48 Looking At Times In PrusaSlicer
11:43 Printing A Benchy With A High Flow Nozzle!
12:54 Distinguishing Between High Flow and a Regular Revo
13:28 Is It Worth It?
14:26 Outro
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Now we just need Revo obXidian HF!
soon^tm I think is what I a required to say LOL
@@3DMusketeers Honestly, I think if they're going down the route of 'new heaters' I'm surprised they didn't make a 'volcano' version of the nozzle that had an extra 10-12mm of effectively solid brass or copper that comes into contact with the bottom of the heater, a la the Rapido UHF with just using a Volcano nozzle with a copper nut to take up the extra space.
they managed stupid high flow without having you change your z offset, I say that is a win IMO.
With a Tungsten insert 🥰
huh? No tungsten insert here...
Making a fit like that inseparable is actually quite easy and common. Just make the mating surfaces interfere at ambient temperature, heat up the outer piece until thermal expansion grows the hole to be larger than the smaller part. Install the parts together while maintaining the temperature delta and when they both cool down they are as good as welded.
I’ve heard this fit called a lot of things, but I’ve heard shrink fit and sweat fit the most
very true!
I just realized you were the one next to the 3D printing professor at the RMRRF. I should have gotten your signature too. I thought I recognized you but wasn’t sure.
I was walking around and filming all RMRRF, but hey, next time, do ask! :)
DID YOU JUST SAY VORON?? ABOUT TIME ! SO EXCITED
LOL Yes! A trident 300 is here and all I have to do is print the parts!
My experience with Bondtech CHT was that running different materials through the same nozzle would almost inevitably lead to clogs. Could you try something going from a high-temperature filament like ABS or PETG, then go back to PLA and see if this clogs like the CHT?
you would have to purge at the high temps, but yeah I can try.
Wow, your cat is hilarious! Licking the nards the whole time….
Just installed revo with the hemera xs on an Ender 6…. This and the 60w heater should help for quick nozzle changes and faster printing!!!
It is a girl cat, so none of those! She has to stay clean for the camera lol.
definitely will allow for faster printing!
I predict the next iteration of high flow nozzles will „simply“ ingest multiple filaments at once
=> you need a lot of material anyway, so smaller spools are nice
=> lower filament ingestion speed an thus lower chance of problems
=> you can pre-melt each strand individually without having to divide one up, so it’s an easier melt path
=> you might even be able to build in redundancy, e.g by running 2 of 3 strands at 1.5x speed when 1 breaks/runs out.
Also, an IDEX printer would be cool for this, with one big boy high flow nozzle for structure / rigidity at speed, and a .4 printing the outermost perimeter at half or a third the layer height of the big boy for a better surface finish.
that would greatly increase the throat diameter needed making the hotend much larger than most currently are. Also, without perfect flow from every filament you will see really wild extrusion properties that will be hard to work with.
@@3DMusketeers hotend would of course have to be larger. An okay tradeoff for a large volume printer, imho. Filament weirdness would average out between them however, so you’d get LESS impact on the extruded stream, not more.
you would need to have some sort of system to monitor flow too or it wont be able to calculate how much of which it needs I dont think, but this is a whole new thought to me so I am likely missing somehting
Press fit tolerances on common materials that have the same rate of thermal expansion, you shouldn't have any issues with the two pieces separating. Unless it was machined incorrectly and the tolerances are excessively loose. I feel like any nozzle that splits filament apart and converges it again could result in flow/clogging issues with any filled filament. I think that's why most are brass. The bozzle doesn't appear to work in this fashion, so I think that's why it will be better suited for abrasives.
the bozzle forces it into a flower shape to increase flow from my perspective, but not using one I can only just look at the photos.
@@3DMusketeers the flower shape probably creates more surface area for faster melting. I stopped using the cht because it's retraction characteristics just aren't as responsive as a standard brass nozzle. I'm my experience printing with asa.
yup, more surface area more heat!
High flow revo diamondback is what we need next!
yes!
This video cuts a little close. I got a mini thinking I’d use it for smaller, more detailed prints, but it now spends most of its time with a .8 because my mk3 is actually much better for detail. I also fitted both of them with Revos and have ruined 1 side of 2 build plates with loosening nozzles. I only figured out they were self-loosening because I was using tri-colored filament for a later print and the colors shifted from their correct positions too fast for it to be from the filament twisting. I wish they had a little more grippyness to tighten them with, because “finger tight” is clearly not enough.
Edit: and I figured this out while I was printing the spiral vase rose.
I have done okay with finger tight but I normally check before every print, habit I guess that worked for my favor LOL
Just curious, can you use the standard revo nozzles with high flow heater core?
Sure, why not!
Okay, it was just a thought. I mean I would figure it shouldn't be a problem but just something to know since I do have a few of the standard nozzle. Thanks for the reply
it would just get to temp faster I guess. will have to try!
@@3DMusketeers oh yeah for sure. When I get my hands on it I'll leave a comment for you. Thanks again
awesome!
Will those high flow profiles be available?!
They should be in the patreon at $5 and above. This is an older video so I don't remember 100%. If not, shoot me a message there and I'll send the profile.
@@3DMusketeers hi man! I signed up to patreon but didn’t see the profiles for HF. Which platform should I shoot you a message?
email me. youtube@3dmusketeers.com I will get it to you there.
I see a PLA specific nozzle on that list in purple with only one dot on either end of the graph. Did E3D mention anything about that?
they did not, I dont know either lol
Grant, could the Diamondback outperform a CHT of equal diameter? How big does Diamondback offer, 0.8?
I have never really tried, but I am guessing it cannot. The extra surface area allotted by the CHT makes up for an insane amount of speed. Now, give them abrasives, and maybe.. May just need to get a cht abrasive resistant and see how it performs against a diamond
I readded my revo micro to my mini and during a calibration, it started to grind the filament.. idk whats causing it. It did it on the 5th zheight adjustment
is it on first layer? is the fan working well to cool the sink?
@@3DMusketeers yea, its on first layer calibration. It was working fine. Its going upto temp, but not extruding anymore. I'll try taking apart the revo hotend again tomorrow and see if there's a jam
good luck
I would love to see a diamond cht type nozzle. I find for my speed printing with a mosquito magnum on one of my ratrigs that I have a hard time going any faster than a regular hardened steel nozzle. Tuning temperature is really hard because the other components on a hotend want to be a certain temperature and the diamond wants to be 20c or so colder.
To be clear this is a 0.6mm nozzle printing at 200mm per second, not normal flow on not a normal hotend. Some extra internal geometry would be interesting to test out.
you could always do that drop in CHT conversion for volcano nozzles! Not official of course..
I was asking in a timely manner 😂!!!
lol
are there any way to transform a revo system back to a v6? I want to use my bozzle nozzle.
not that I am aware of. I think the V6 system has plenty of compatibility across the board, IU am fine with revo being revo only lol
So I can't just use a Heatbreak and a heatblock after removing the spring. Such a waste.
why.. theres so many other hotends out there.. And apparently there is a V6 system for revo by a 3rd party (they just emailed me), but I am struggling to see the value since if you bought into Revo you kinda knew what you were getting yourself into I think.
Wait I want to know more about this CHEP drama. Can you please link the video?
I think it was a podcast, I just dont remember which one... I am sorry!
@@3DMusketeers No worries I appreciate it anyway
maybe one on IP theft?
to upgrade my ender 10 smart pro will cost more than i want to spend. had to turn the printer off today prints were failing room was too cold with the window open
if there is no breeze, ambient temp should not be too much of an issue
I'm not convinced that the Revo HF actually would violate the CHT patent (and from reading e3D's writings i'm not convinced that they are convinced either). I don't know whether the CHT patent should or shouldn't be valid either, given potential prior art, or what its reach should be, but i wonder in the case that it shouldn't be valid or should have a very limited reach, whether the agreement between e3D and CHT validates its existence and increases its reach not based on merit but based on precedent.
But the agreement what it does is for one, allows you to bring the product to market quicker because you aren't held back by that confrontation, so it's good for business; it also eliminates competition, which is good for business but bad for... well competition and further innovation.
The whole intellectual property protection and when it's useful and when it's harmful is such a difficult question, i don't even want to ever have a definitive stance on it. I've certainly seen too many cases when it's harmful, it usually benefits only the largest players who get a death grip on the market.
I agree here. It is all about how it is used and licensed for if a patent or IP of any kind is valuable to an industry or detrimental.
What i don’t get is how can something like this be short when you simply can buy a swiss lathe to create this, they aren’t hard to manufacture. And they don’t even have to have fear for price drops as hey own the patents.
No obsidian for it makes it less interesting.
oh, the high flow is a pain to manufacture IMO
e3d says on their website they’re patenting this design and already has a patent pending. I’m not sure where you’re getting your information about “theft”. If your patent doesn’t cover the scope of another product it’s not “stealing” you just never owned/created it in the first place.
What are you talking about? I mention very clearly that this is licensed IP from Bondtech.
@@3DMusketeers Literally under their own FAQs. Does E3D have its own ‘patent pending’ high flow design?
Yes, we do. There are some unique features we are told are patentable, and an application is pending - at some point in the future the results of that will become clear and we expect to have patent coverage. The overlaps with the CHT solution mean we want to cover all the bases, and instead of launching a product regardless of Bondtech’s position, we approached Bondtech up front, and slowly built up a relationship and an agreement that works for both parties.
@@3DMusketeers Besides Bondtech doesn't own the CHT they merely licensed it from 3D Solex.
No, your comment about theft.. It was a snide comment at GeeTech and Sunlu for ripping off Chep.. Nothing to do with E3D.
I think the current system works well for E3D. Mind you, they have shown A LOT about the Revo HF, so it would not surprise me to see clones out in the next few months. I am told to watch out for them though as they can be very dangerous as their tolerances are not decent most of the time.
@@3DMusketeers Yeah the Chep thing was separate I knew that I was just curios about the drama you mentioned was all. But as far as E3d is concerned I Bontech can't do anything in this scenario. They don't own the CHT to begin with. E3d probably said they're just not going to make a normal V6 version which makes sense. Especially if they aim to pursue another patent for Revo. Since Revo itself at least the nozzle portion is patented by E3d. Which is cool but I just meant from a business perspective that kinda makes the most sense. Pursue what you've already invested into. V6 is open source and will continue to receive support from every other manufacturer that adopted the standard including Bondtech. Which is a bit ironic because they in a way make clones of the E3d V6 albeit high quality ones like the CHT. Idk if you can really say e3d "owns" a standard M6 thread but that's why I say in a way. Tbh though it's for their lawyers and the patent office to decide. If E3d is awarded a second patent cool. They just are pursuing one is all I was saying. One of possibly many I think they still have a few left from Revo originally that haven't gone through yet. It takes years sometimes for patents to get approved/denied.