3500 Mile Final Report! The Audi RS 6 Avant is going back... | 4k
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- I'm going to miss this wonderful Audi RS 6 Avant, find out what my positives and negatives are after 3 months and 3500 miles.
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00:00 Intro
01:08 Negatives
06:21 Positives
15:38 Conclusion
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Hope you enjoyed my journey with this incredible car, I can't wait to try the "Performance" variant very soon! Big thanks once again to the Audi Press team for throwing me the keys to this for many winter months ♥
Hi Joe, What a great review and really explained how you lived with car. I would be interested to know what your MPG was like over the time you had the car? Thank you.
Don’t care if a M3 beats it in a drag race, and it’s the slowest out of the M5 and E63, this is the one I want, this is the dream. It just looks so amazing, sounds amazing, interior is amazing.
Ultimately, you can't go wrong with either. They're all fantastic cars. I for example think the M3 Touring looks way more aggressive than this RS6, but this is by no means a knock on the RS6, it looks fsntastic as well. It's all so subjective, ultimately.
It’s a tough call between RS6/RS7, M5 and E63. Can’t go wrong with any of them.
You lost the point.. They brake before even they get on the road.. Reliability is the worst vs merc and bmw.. Audi has a lot of issues and it's at bottom of reliability servers.. Even with bmw crank hub issue still ends way above audi.. And audi has engine issues, gearbox issues, electrical issues, its slower, suv weight.. If you put money on audi buy rs3, or a c63 amg, or 240i 340i 440i, or fix crank hub on an m4 and still will cost less money than a used rs6.. Used rs6 is more expensive vs used c63 or m4.. And doesn't offer nothing similar or better.. Ohh and the idiotic 40 year old understeer
@@commantrosexetlos4700 I’ve owned 5 Audis in the past and currently own 2. All of them S models or above and have no major issues. What are you basing the info off of?
@@Pabla98 claims of insurance
I have rs6 c8 for almost 3 year now. I absolut love the car. The only thing I changed is the exhaust. I installed the akrapovic. Perfect.
me too
This car will go down in history as the prettiest wagon/estate of all time....Even Audi wont beat this design again....
I felt that way about the B5 RS4 for a very long time, then they made the B7 RS4 Avant and made me rethink my previous statement. Then they made this RS6 Avant, which I do agree may be the best looking estate. One thing I'm certain is that they will make another that will look better than this. How and when, I don't know, but I'd bet they will gladly accept the challenge.
You can fix that door closing issue in software. It's because the seals are good and you're creating an air pressure spike when you close the door. There is a feature/ setting in software to slightly drop "short drop" the window of each door when it's opened, and seal it back up again after it's closed. This alleviates the air pressure pushing back against the door closing, and the door will close easier every time.
can't be as the passenger window was half open when he did it, so no pressure, or have I missed something...?
@@MKINDYR107 No, he showed that the problem only exists when all the windows are fully up, and goes away when any of the windows are partly open.
Yes I agree it’s the new seals. My crash repairer explained this when he replaced the seals. You can adjust the door if you want or be patient for the seals to wear in.
What a load of bs
That sounds stupid, what if it rains
Thanks Joe. Its very helpful to have your insight into this RS6 as you have living with it for some months. Your feedback is much appreciated. Cheers mate and keep up the quality work you do.
Great video, as always! Good job Joe!
Two of my favourite cars, from my lottery wish list...RS6 and M5 Competition. Also two of my favourite sets of automotive TH-cam videos created by yourself Joe.
That thing about the doors not closing, I reckon you hit the nail on the head. Back in the 90s my mate had a really good condition 70s VW Beetle and i had the exact same issues. I could only shut his passenger door properly if he had his quarter light (I think they're called? The little tiny pop open window old cars used to have?) The air pressure inside if you happened to be sitting in the back when someone shut a door made your ears pop/hurt!
I had my C8 RS6 for 1.5yrs…never had an issue with my doors…but the throttle response is a minor issue but really minor..Great review!
I’m so glad I watched this. I can’t stand sluggish cars that are powerful and leave you frustrated and wanting more. That’s why tiny electric cars can feel so fast because they have such amazing throttle response and launch satisfyingly off the line and out of corners punching well above their weight.
This machine sounds awesome just the first 10 seconds had me hooked
As a RSQ8 owner your outlook on ownership is spot on. To fix the throttle lag I installed a pedal box which is a simple plug and play device that sharpness response drastically. Unfortunately these engines do also suffer from turbo lag so it’s still there but not as bad. As for the doors I’ve also noticed the same thing, not as much as you have but that may be because I have frameless doors which allow some air to escape. I also own a c7 RS7 and that car is more of a dynamic car but no where near as comfortable as the RSQ8. I wish Audi didn’t lean that far towards comfort, but I have a feeling as other VAG cars are coming out Audi’s are being nerfed to prevent in brand competition.
Buy a proper car instead of an SUV if you want it to be sporty. Or buy a Range Rover v8 for family stuff and something like a 911 or M5 if you need 4 door. Audis aren’t in the same as league as BMWs when it comes to dynamics.
@@martincassels7995 ahaha, I test drove an x5m and it was too stiff to be a daily. You’re also glossing over the fact that not everyone wants the sportiest car. Audis offer a great balance between the sporty and luxury as proven by this review.
@@Pabla98 why not a Range Rover and another car?
@@martincassels7995 way too unreliable and too common. Plus I found the sport had a fairly stiff ride as well
@@Pabla98 no luxury given the quality of their interiors I'm sorry mate
Great review and loved this series. Love the RS6
Thank you 👍
Great work once again Joe 👍
Really enjoyed the rs6 series joe👍
Brilliant theory/observation on the door shutting.
Thank you!
The fact it doesn’t has the roof ,for me it’s a positive thing…less problems and worries to have . For the rest ,I’m obsessed by this car .
Great video and channel! I owned a C7 RS6 from 2013 - 2022. My 2013 car, ebis white, was a press car and loaded with everything available at the time. In 2015 I took it to Litchfield and had the stage 2 conversion (featured in Top Gear mag).Did over 120,000 miles in it and loved every minute. With the miles stacking up, and a few potential issues with the dynamic ride, we parted ways. So I now have a 2022 RS5 (driven for 1.5 years). It is a nice car, I have always though the A5 was a nice car and had one of the first to arrive in the UK in 2008. But in every way (other than perhaps economy), it is just no match for the RS6. So I am soon to turn back to an RS6, just waiting for the right nearly new one to become available with everything on my Wishlist. And yes, it will go to Litchfield again who have already worked their magic on the C8 model. As we move towards 2030 I have no interest at this time to be driving an EV, I want a stonking V8! Mark.
Great review Joe. I've always preferred the C7 RS6 to the C8. Love mine 👍
Soft close Is standard in north America I think. The only options I had were color/wheels/ and carbon pack. At least two years ago. Executive package and pano roof were not optional.
Recently got back from Austria. Most high end 4WDs there are Audis. Very few BMWs and Mercedes. I think that probably means something in a country where heavy snow is something they live with every day in the winter.
Yeah. Clearly no Mercedes or BMWs in Austria at all, as the 2022 sales figures illustrate.
3rd place bmw - ~16000
4th Audi - ~12000
5th Mercedes - ~11000
(VW first, Skoda second)
A big thanks for all the owners in and around the East Midlands
I will never be able to own one, but thanks to you hero's, occasionally I get to see/ listen to one.
Such a " alpha male" shape and styling and noise👍
I had a accident with my C6 all road and while its being fixed I was given a C8 estate and I absolutely agree with you that they look so good and the interior is so well appointed that you want to spend a lot of time behind the wheel. the one I have has the S line package with the sport seats and they are so comfortable to sit in....its like being on a lazy boy while driving. I have the 2.0l 4cylinder turbo with 204HP....I was skeptical about this engine coming from a 3.0l v6 but you would be hard pressed to even notice that you are actually driving a 2.0l 4 cylinder....the C8 generation is a joy to look at and even better to drive no matter which trim you get. I honestly will be sad when I have to bring this one back.
Great content as always joe
Thank you!
+1 .. Excellent Audi RS6 wagon review ... Very down to earth er relevant. Long time subscriber,, yet must tune in more. .. Recently took delivery of a '23 Merc E-450 wagon .. Merc's newer inline 3.0l turbo straight 6cly output is sublime for a family (dogs) wagon. .. Yes, the air suspension on these wagons is killer. .. Cheers, Vail, Colorado
Thank you buddy, your E450 wagon sounds awesome 👍
Great review as always 👍
Regarding throttle response, 034 motorsports says that in the RS5 Audi has configured the throttle to give almost all of the power in the first third of the throttle movement so that the car feels eager to move. But then like you said when you put your foot to the floor it doesn't have much power left to give.
Fantastic car Joe 👌
Thanks Joe.
Thanks for sharing the end of term thoughts. On the passenger door closure point, do all the other doors have the same issue if all others (and boot) are closed. I don’t understand what it would be only the passenger door if it’s an air tightness thing?
Such a lovely understated thing. So many cars of all types are loud shouty things.
In Canada comes standard with soft close doors on panoramic roof
I have a C8 RS6 - it’s the vorsprung spec so has the Pan Roof, soft close doors and a load of other bits.
Can’t say I’ve ever noticed the throttle response but what I have noticed is how it changes depending on drive mode. In RS2 mode the throttle is very snappy indeed. It would be too much if it were always super sensitive. I’d say it’s wound down for comfort - this is 600bhp remember.
I have to say I love it. Lots.
Longy, I too am lucky to have 2022 C8 Mythos black Vorsprung. The physical size, for me is the only setback. B roads in Somerset are narrow!
@@davepoole8530 Hi matey, I’ve always had A6’s so I’m comfortable with the size but yes it’s HUGE!
I bet it’s a beauty in black - mine is tango red! 😛
A devil to keep clean! 😃. 1st 6, I’ve had 3 RS3s, 3 RS4s, bit of an Audi fan…….
Longy, is your spec compromised in any way? I don’t have phone charging pad, pop up tweeters. Told it was supply chain issues…..
Yes, the Vorsprung with a roof and soft close would be amazing! Throttle feel and response is terrible in any mode compared to something like the M5 or a Panamera Turbo, the latter having the same engine and gearbox, but Porches throttle pedal and software.
@@davepoole8530 I bet - black shows everything.
Mine is a late 21 car so I was fortunate and got the wireless charging pad. The pop up B&O speakers are a separate option that has never been available in the UK.
I spoke to a chap who bought a new S6 for £70k late last year and when it arrived it didn’t have matrix headlights or led rears; no dynamic indicators?!? On an S6?? Rumour has it that the electric steering wheel adjustment has also been omitted along with the wireless pad.
I actually had a carbon black on order - but after waiting over a year and still no build date confirmed my impatience overtook and I bought a vorsprung with 4k on the clock! So pleased I did. The pano, hud and adaptive cruise are incredible options I’d have missed.
I have soft door closure. Agree with you about the throttle pick up. I find if you knock it into sport mode just before it minimises this.
Thanks for the feedback, it's amazing how many owners claim the throttle is fine, it's a wide spread Audi issue unfortunately.
Love the RS6 and the colour.
Really interesting final take. Even as an M5 owner, I have definite envy over this car, especially the looks, the sound, the ride and the added practicality. I need to drive one but I do worry that I’d miss the more “pants on fire” of the M when I really felt like it. Would love to own one though. 👍
@@Officialjoeachillesthank you
Update: bought one and love it 😂
I simply love how this car looks, don't care if it's a bit slower than competitors, it's fast enough. Interior could be also better but damn how good it looks from outside.
Great video as always. Had an A6 c8 and have a c8 A7 now, and the doors drive me nuts. All modern audis have poor initial trottle response. Need to put your foot down a second or two before attempting an overtake.
Thank you 🙏 Many Audi owners in denial about their throttles 😂
Interesting comment on the throttle. I have a B8 S4 and feel the throttle response is superb - but that's a supercharged engine. I wonder if what you're experiencing is associated to turbo lag?
Strange about the door not closing. And it's ONLY the passenger side door? That would not make sense if it's due to the air pressure in the car though - you'd think it would be all the doors that would not close.
Yes agreed curb appeal is spot on!
Can't beat a fast estate, and a fast Audi, and a V8! Lots of boxes ticked. Love that colour too! 😎
@@marks1484 A bit, but modern and OPFs innit? Still a V8! 😎
@@marks1484 Agreed! 🤗 GT4 and GT3 noises at 9k revs evidence on my channel! 😜
In a 2021 RS 5 and I totally agree about the throttle response comment. I find i need to keep it in DYNAMIC and SPORT mode to get the peddle responding well. If it's not in SPORT it's so soggy.
Agreed. I’m in a June ‘20 (20 plate) RS4 Vorsprung from new which has just hit 13,000 miles this morning. My regular settings are Dynamic and Drive. I found Comfort and Drive just too soft and lazy - auto upshifts took forever despite the car wanting to change up.
Dynamic and Drive fixed the upshift lag with the ratios punching in much sooner under acceleration but holding a high gear on even a shallow incline in a 30/40/50 mph zone is more difficult.
Dynamic and Sport changes things immeasurably - the whole car seems to squat down, the exhaust resonance is way more aggressive and throttle response is much, much sharper.
Superbly communicated review, avoids sensationalism, or being a tribal fanboy, Joe sounds like your fairest petrolhead mate saying it like it is in everyday language. 👍
Always get a manufacturers 😊pan roof, perfect in summer, more light, gives a feeling of space, nice to feel the sun.
I would avoid getting an aftermarket fitted, every one I have had done something ends up going wrong, roof lining comes away, rubbers leak etc.
01:02 what are those flashing orange things. Never seen those on an Audi before. And I'm a BMW driver 😁
The RS6 is such a beast.. Shame its going back...
It will be missed!
Wish I could afford one. Hope the house move goes OK
Just pulled in to my garage with exactly 6500kms on the odometer. Love the car. Glad I have the panoramic roof with the Vancouver weather. Haven't noticed the passenger door issue. Maybe that little extra space of the sun roof negates that issue?
Great review deliberating whether my next daily is either a rs6 or a taycan
RS6
I have an A6 Avant c8 and my other half can never get the passenger door to shut first time. So same issue you have had! Other than that a great car. Would love the RS6 version though.
to see in the video, the trunk lid is not set correctly, the left side hangs correctly, processing problems?
Great review. Felt like I'd owned the car myself by the end of it.
Like an automotive Swiss army knife.
If I owned one, I'd consider getting it remapped with a better throttle response.
Regards door closing: Maybe the air extraction system is poorly designed or you're storing something behind the rear side panels that restricts air flow to the outside vents.
Does it also steam up easily inside the windows?
If an air-tight cabin is the issue then Audi please have the software on non-soft close versions lower the open door window a few mm (as you get on frameless type doors) - simple fix!
This makes absolute perfect sense mate 💯
Soft close doors are a must but it's surprising how many people don't know how to close a door
The old Vw bug had that door close problem and could burst your ear drum if the door was slammed lol
I love mine!
Id like a panoramic roof on my volvo as the concept car had one for the c30 . Not many sunroof aftermarket peeps about.
this car is amazing.....maybe one day i will own one
BMW m3 touring with carbon seats is £101k. This is pretty much the same for more space and performance. Pedal box to sort response and this is the winner ? Swiss Army knife of a car
Lovely car definitely on the shortlist but need to scratch the porsche itch sooner than later
Great review.
One of my favourite TH-camrs as a fellow BMW nerd! @joe knows BMW also have rear-wheel steer. Problem is it can be a little bit “anti-social”.
Strange question, are these the roads used by Harry’s Garage? Seems so familiar.
Spot-on. 🙂 Finally, somebody who mentions it. It is very much the same road used by Harry. It's near Ascott under Wychwood in the Cotswolds. I used to enjoy taking my 5 series there for a spin when I worked there a few years back.🙂
The rs6 is a unique car that presents itself as a beast whilst still being classy and elegant. Masterpiece.
That passenger door would do my head in. Amazing car and great content though:)
Are you close to Harry Metcalfe? Seems that a shot at 2:00 shows similar bends as Harry’s roads…?
Joe, just a little feedback about the interior camera angles you use. The one facing you whilst you talk is from old TV media days and it's outdated. When your talking about the car, I don't really want to just be looking at you the whole time. It usually makes me close the video because the length of time in the shot is too long. Get rid of that camera angle, because I don't need to see you the whole time that you are talking. Turn that camera around, so we can see the dashboard. Give the feeling of being your passenger.
Great review as always, apart from the mobile phone interference. 😂📱
that's why I'm hanging on to my C7 RS6 performance.
The original ford ecosport had that same issue as the door on the RS6 😂. Had to stand there multiple times and slam it cos it was so air tight
Great video as always. I have owned my RS6 C8 for 3 years now and absolutely love it. I have the Vorsprung with pano roof and agree that it is a must. I must say I have never had a problem with the passenger door not shutting properly at all and I don’t have soft close.
I agree with you on the throttle response, which isn’t quite right. Although it is a lot better if you have the Throttle selection in Dynamic in drive select and I also always drive in Sport mode changing every gear myself with the paddles.
Luckily though I have the new Performance Vorsprung edition on order, which amongst other things apparently addresses the throttle issue and mine has a pano roof again and soft close doors in any case.
Once again a great video. Keep up the awesome work.
Awesome man thanks for the feedback and enjoy the Performance 👌
In my lottery winning dream life garage/barn (Harry Metcalfe style) this car would be the 3rd purchase after new Defender 110 and Escort Cosworth both I have driven in anger but I look forward to the day I can drive that car on the snow road in Aberdeenshire. I need to unplug the i-Pace drive it to the shops for a ticket and cross my fingers. In the interim I am so jealous and that is the colour. I recently detailed a brand new Q7 in that colour for a friend who had blown a chunk of his pension and wanted it protected and it looked amazing on completion.
Throttle response can be changed with a simple tune and fingers prints can be hidden with good PPF.
Yes, if you're willing to put your warranty on the line.
@@JoeAchilles1 fucked that up. Stage 2 mtm tune and I had to pay for 2 new engines before I hit 10k miles (and ecm/ turbos) hopefully #3 lasts a bit longer
Hi Joe. If the problem you mention closing the passenger door is the case, then why would it not be the same for the drivers door or even the rear doors. Other than that love the video👍
I have a 2022 RS5 and agree 100% about the issues with the throttle. The gas pedal feels like a dead fish. This feeling is even worse in manual mode and especially noticeable in higher gears.
How did you find the position of the pedals? Every Audi I have tried has offset pedals so far to the right , they could have been designed by Nigel Farage.
Joe, I have to know, I own a 8Y RS3 carbon hatchback with performance package! This car the RS6 is the natural progression for me I think 🤔 do I make the leap 🤔 or stick with what I think is still a epic car and performance.
Alpina B5 owner here. I think I'd get a bit frustrated at that noise from start - it's, like the looks, a bit too showy for me. You made a comment about the AWS and BMW but it's worth noting that the B5 also has RWS and on the hairpins which are common on my local roads it's perfect. It sounds like the Audi is closer to my car than the M5, especially the more compliant suspension. Shame you couldn't have got the pair side-by-side.
I'm assuming you are not putting the 'box into Sport to get a better response and that you are talking about 'soggy' feel when the mode is just in Drive ?
Leaving the 'box in Sport isn't great for fuel economy because it also holds onto lower gears for longer.
I have the RS6 Performance, Bronze edition. The door would absolutely still have that issue, if it wasn’t soft close. When I close my wife’s SQ5 I never get the door closed on the first try. I will say the performance is noticeably more responsive.
I have 2013 A4 Allroad and have the same issue with passanger doors
Throttle response is exactly the same on my wife’s Q3! What is that?! Also exactly the same thing with the door shutting. Drives me nuts
I think one easy software tuning will fix the throttle response
Amazing color 💙 what is the name of this Audi exterior paint color ???
Thinking about the window problem, if you have no surround on the window, the window normally comes down a little then back up when you close the door..I guess that could fix it??
Yeah that's only frameless doors due to making the best possible seal, mostly on 2 door Coupés etc
@@JoeAchilles1 yeah we’ve got it on the q8, I just mean they could engineer it to just come down a little for split second, failing that you’ll just have to slam the door😂 keep up the great work 🙌
the throttle response is all down to the electronic throttle body , audi and other makers have purposely made it slow. and the way to sort that out is to get a proper remap to remove the gawd awful slowness
Sounds like it needs to drop the windows a fraction when the doors are open, is that not a feature, it is in many cars?
Nice!
Is that the same chicane from Harry's Garage vids?
My q7 rear side door is exactly the same
How can it be true? No air escape ? What happens if an airbag suddenly activates and produces pressure in cabin ?
Hi Joe, no issues with my doors closing. My car has the softclose option.
There we go, that backs up my theory 👌
Great video Joe! We love those lumps!
I've been looking at an RS5 to replace my M140i - I wanted AWD for more all-weather use and the V6 sounds tasty. But my research into Audi cars has really put me off because the reliability really seems so poor compared to other brands. BMW Exx cars used to have a bad reputation, but their newer cars have really upped the game. B58 engine is amazing. So I am likely to keep my M140i for another year and wait for prices of the M4 xDrive to come down to somewhere I can afford and forget about the RS5.
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Checked my October 2020 A6 Allroad 50 unregulated passenger door and it closes perfectly. Am furious at Audi not bringing in the A6 & A4 Allroads into the Uk as I have 4 and they have been excellent without issue. Doesn’t like SUVs Volvo is underpowered and very agricultural 🥲
Joe, great review as always. I agree with you on RS 6 being a great looking car. But (and I'll probably be in a small minority saying this), I like the M3 Touring's looks ever more! That so much criticised grille, just works so well on the Touring, giving it a really purposeful, dynamic and sporty look. But, as you know, these things are subjective etc.
Not so small. ;-)
Strange inhave a 2021 RS4 and never had that
My Audi TT windows drop slightly when opening the doors and then fully close when the doors are shut. Should be an easy fix in a RS.
I have an 8Y S3 and I agree, the throttle is absolutely dead compared to my little BMW.
Another great video Joe. My RS6 Performance with Ceramic brakes is being built week 18 so say Bath Audi. Can’t wait now & hope they sort the throttle response that i did notice on my previous one in 2019. Maybe you’d like to review mine? Thanks, Simon
Hi Simon, have you got your new RS6? How is the throttle response? I own a C7 RS6, considering getting a brand new one, will,be discontinued soon.
@@larrykippings
Throttle response better, certainly in Dynamic or one of the RS settings. Not done a launch yet. Soft close doors so no issue there. Ceramics are great and don’t snatch as reported elsewhere. Not sure if this has changed yet but mine’s a Vorsprung and didn’t come with ‘Convenience Key’ so no tail gate foot gesture opening or auto door unlocking as you approach. Something to do with the carbon on it interfering with sensors. Maybe that’s changed now & has been sorted. Dunno. Ascari Blue; a lovely looking machine. RS6GT as an alternative? - but no headlight washers, no sunroof, no roof rails, no power increase & £80K more, for what?
@@user-hz4gd4mv2e Agree on the GT. Don’t like the look of it anyhow. I’m going to order one Friday, thanks for the response.
Excellent. Well done!
Not only me drives in winter hat ! yeah
I think a throttle controller and gearbox tune would transform this car to incredible heights.