Crazy how we still don't even have the base color white, I can't even make my halo spartan because as far as I know there is no white and red coating. Edit: I mean a coating in line with the old colors of halo 3
I feel that, I can't make mine quite either, there's no coating that's orange, white and black, at least I have papaya dusk which is light orange and black but not quite what I wanted
Ngl probably right on that, although if MCC comes to PS with cross play I can see it matching or passing on Xbox too from people being able to play with friends they couldn't before @@BObbert179
I know I’m a minority but I have played Halo1 through infinite primarily for its campaign. It’s very disappointing to see them abandon any additional stories. That’s the one thing I can say is so much better with the game Destiny. We don’t have to wait 5+ years to continue the story
Is this comment joking or something? Destiny story is basically non existent and is just a bunch of non answered questions. Its known for its fun mmo gunplay and raids not for its awful story. It’s been like a decade or more of time and we STILL don’t know what the traveler is for. We understood what the ring was for from the first halo game.
Pick up the Halo novels you can either read them or listen to the audiobooks. All the audio books are really well produced. If you want some more Halo story then those are the best spots to get them now. Halo for me isn't even a game franchise; It's a book series. I would recommend either starting with fall of reach, or the Master Chief story trilogy that recently got released.
You can actually purchase all the old amors still. In the armor hall you can inspect the armor which give you an option to see it in the store and you can buy it.
@@genjidora8742 That sounds really obnoxious tbh. I just quit now if I see an opponent avoid gun fights to wait for the ghost. Especially when they put no plasma pistol of weapons to counter them. Or when I'm paired up with 3 people who who get obliterated and they control them all. The gunplay in this game is amazing but this is genuinely ruining H3 refueled for me. It's funny too because the guy I always see in the ghost will start like 9-0 and then end like 12-16 if they can't get the ghost the rest of the match.
yeah, my goal every time when I play those maps is to break the game as much as possible and get it over with as fast as I can. And if i keep getting ars and pistols on those maps I'll just quit so I can focus on better maps and weapons@@brandona9326
They probably will once they need it to pad out an update. So you can expect an update with $340 worth of "premium cosmetics" along with a janky unfinished Falcon being added and maybe a few Forged maps.
Idk why these rumors keep coming up. CA has always worked with Bungie, and then 343 Industries, on Halo's multiplayer. This isn't news. However, there also isn't any new Halo multiplayer entry being developed as of current. The recent project that CA has been working on is still viewed as Tatanka. The only difference was the "modders", who were Pilots (beta testers for new patches for Halo Infinite), were removed from their access in early 2023 with layoffs. As for CA, they also announced their recent Unreal Engine 5 project not too long after this comment, which is their co-designed entry and why they were UE Certified. Halo Infinite's multiplayer is here to stay, being updated and extensively changed each year, for at least 5 more years, if not more. Maybe this time, it'll focus on the major aspects of the core of the multiplayer, rather than only Social playlists (of which a low unique amount of people actually played more than the required 25 games, if they even got past the required 25).
As I know more about this project now after discussing with people on this project, this is a single player Experience driven game, which will be multiplatform (assuming they can get it on these other specified platforms) and will feature a protagonist familiar in the ODST/Reach stories, rather than Chief. The game will follow closer to the TV Series instead, which would specifically be related to getting people "into" the franchise. As far as the type of game it is, I said it here; Experience game, like a Life is Strange, or an RPG-Based game, if you will. Originally I was hinted at Halo wars, which there may still be one in the works, however this seems to be the case. Halo Infinite is the current multiplayer game projected until at least 2030, with major updates coming later this year to change almost all of the games positioning in the FPS market. Halo Infinite launched as a "community social game" and failed to not just deliver upon launch with this, but failed to capture audiences even when doing this. Most of it's audience had always been geared toward "Ranked Arena", with classic and even Halo 5 providing clear analytical data that states Halo's major captured audience was always it's lightly competitive audience, rather than those that have a "great disdain" for competition.
Yes, we do. It's in custom games, they simply didn't add it to matchmaking because assault is "too competitive" for social playlists. If you're wondering why they didn't add it to ranked -- That was becasue they wanted to add the "new and changed" Extraction to bring a less competitive, RNG metric to Ranked Matchmaking and HCS. Both of which were never actually Halo, but they were "Halo" to the Halo Community.
assault "too competitive" for social? Every social playlist, except for maybe fiesta and similar playlists, are just ranked without the rank. Every team slayer game feels like esports and is extremely stressful if you're actually playing to win. If 343 actually said that about assault they're blowing smoke @@anonymous7564
@@dividesandconquer990 Halo 1, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo 4 and Halo 5 didn't have invasion. That's not really anything more than a "wishlist" of a failure of a game type that only become touched in 2020's MCC on PC Release. Firefight was much of the same -- which is why Firefight, just like Infection, stands at the bottom most played locations in Halo Infinite.
@anonymous7564 You are high and your opinion is worthless if you think infection and firelight are failure or the least played gamemode. It takes me 20 seconds to find an infection game in Oceania... in fact it takes longer for me to find btb than infection. Also why is reach invasion a failed gamemode? Because it was in one game? Does that mean everyone hates rocket race or halo 5 warfare? This is you " ThE ElEpHaNt iS In OnE GaME, ThErEfOrE ItS bAd"
Came back to Infinite after launch and after not playing Halo multi in 15 years and I gotta say Im loving it. The game is perfect for a casual like me my favorite mode is squad battle
@@theantianimeassociation7574the gameplay is genuinely halos best. Wish they could’ve had a better story but multiplayer as it stands right now is fun to me
You would've hated the sh*t out of it if you played it during S2. You would've been so miserable, you'll close it and go outside before uninstalling it and playing something else.
@theantianimeassociation7574 Go play the game, come back, and say that again. It's gameplay is really damn fun, and it's got alot of cool maps and modes.
Halo infinite still is ny most hated halo to date, it took them 2 and a half years to add content that halo 5 added in 3/4 months, At this point, I'd rather just play halo reach, 4, or 5 for multi-player I had no reason to ever return besides my girlfriend wanting me to try it out again
"The goal of Halo 2’s level system is first and foremost to help you find the most enjoyable games possible. Games that are neck and neck, where the only sure way to win is by playing above your abilities, be it through better planning, more focus, improved team communication, whatever. But it’s fun to not be so serious all the time. That’s what custom games are for, or the Training Grounds playlist if you don’t have enough Friends online to form a custom game. But we believe that games that challenge you to rise above your current abilities are the most enjoyable and the most rewarding." - Bungie 2004 - 2010. Infinite has always had the potential of being a good Halo game. The problem is that 343 lacks the foundational push to remove every ounce of "not halo" from matchmaking, mostly due to a community of folks who hate Halo's competitive matchmaking history. Needless to say, Social Composure hopefully will come soon, which will push there to be only one "social" playlist, and then provide ample capability of numerous ranked playlists to be permanent and staples, around the time for Halo 2's 20 year anniversary. You know, the games (Halo 2 and Halo 3) that not just jump started Ranked Matchmaking, but were the most populated multiplayer entries in the series for their time.
@@anonymous7564 Halo 2,3 were full of bugs (bxr), spawn killing, betrayals for power weapons, many useless guns and choke points. Modern warfare /Black ops killed Halo as a franshice, not 343
@anonymous7564 I don’t think there’s any denying that customs and community created games are an important part in the longevity of a Halo game. Ranked is important too, but a balance needs to be found. Customs have become a big part of Halo’s identity especially since Reach. There’s no denying that.
@@_Majestic_Gaming I'm telling you, this guy is unhinged. Ranked Competitive is all that matters to him. If you aren't sweating in Ranked anytime you're playing Halo, then you're not a "true Halo fan" according to Anonymous. I'm telling you this in hopes that you don't get caught in a 30k word text argument with him; because I WAS. It's an absolute waste of time and he's too deep in his competitive-only dogma. (I did find out though he doesn't know any of the classic custom games like Garbage Man, HALO, Fatkid, Sky Castle, Duck Hunt, etc. He doesn't know any of them.)
Man, firefight gets boring so fast. No real evolution to the formula at all. They could've add: base building, currency, upgrade/weapon shop, recruiting marines. There is no sense of progression, just move to the next spot and kill banish. Other games have prove that PVE is way better when you have those other elements I mentioned. Gears of war horde mode and COD Zombies are 10 times better.
You know its bad when Halo is my favorite franchise of all time and id rather play Fortnite than Halo Infinite. Genuinely fortnite is more fun than that hot garbage that is Halo Infinite.
Would love to send a PSA to all developer companies and that’s to not ship a game half finished. Especially when you have 6 years of development time between games like 343 did. I know management was to blame… Empty/Broken promises of content that would be in the final product hurt their pockets and fractured the community.
The ironic part is that no game developer has this issue. Not that they release games fully finished -- but because they don't cater to an audience of non-competitive youtubers who goal post shift what qualifies as fun depending upon how successful they are at the video game in question. Valorant, CS2, APEX, Fortnite -- four examples of entries literally not even remotely completed at it's launch. I could also add in The Finals & yes, even Warzone. The issue has nothing to do with the completion, or inclusion of content post launch, of the game. It has to do with the audience the content is for. If all of the content is geared toward a "single player centric" audience, absolutely no one will play it as it provides zero content to the vast majority of people trying to play the competitive (player verses player) multiplayer component. Halo Infinite's biggest problems was focusing on the "Halo Community" and trying to appease them before the consumers. The consumers wanted more Ranked playlists, something that was a staple in Halo, not firefight or forgeable ai. The consumers wanted less information on the map, not "more aim assist". The consumers wanted a more difficult to use weapon, not "more aim assist on autos". The consumers wanted more weapon skins and basic master chief look, not "lore armor". The consumers wanted progression based on your skill (like Halo 2 and Halo 3), not "overall exp progression copying halo reach". The consumers barely got a game. The Halo Community got almost a bible written for them, for them to claim "the issue is that it's too late" while entirely disregarding that no one, besides their small little niche, asked for this. The only true learning point for any developer through Halo Infinite is: "This is why you don't listen to your most die-hard non-competitive fanbase for a competitive multiplayer fps". Because, at the end of the day, they only want to feel like they're God's at a video game, and if someone is better than them, then the game is instantly "too sweaty", and making numerous areas for safe spaces for them, tailoring every weapon to make easier weapons kill faster, and making every aspect unbalanced to provide a level of 'unbalance' to an otherwise game built on equality among starts; Is why the game failed. Halo 1, Halo 2 and Halo 3 were the most competitive variations of Halo. How do we know this? Look at what the community always says. "The sandbox is imbalanced", but why? Oh, they claim it's because the precision rifle that you start with kills far too fast. Imagine for a moment the implication. The "imbalance" is because the weapon you start with, that requires accuracy to get perfect shots, kills faster than the weapons without it. Almost like the entire principle of the game was for you to learn how to improve. I'll leave a simple quote from Bungie, dating back in 2004. "The goal of Halo 2’s level system is first and foremost to help you find the most enjoyable games possible. Games that are neck and neck, where the only sure way to win is by playing above your abilities, be it through better planning, more focus, improved team communication, whatever. But it’s fun to not be so serious all the time. That’s what custom games are for, or the Training Grounds playlist if you don’t have enough Friends online to form a custom game. But we believe that games that challenge you to rise above your current abilities are the most enjoyable and the most rewarding." Almost like the actual problem with Halo Infinite is the entire lack of comprehension of the Halo Community to what actually defined the popularity of Halo.
@@anonymous7564 this has got to be some overly elaborate troll considering you have replied to quite a few comments on this same video with some of the dumbest and most contrarian takes i have seen today and nobody seems to care.
@@TheEscapePlan01 Want to know the real elaborate troll? Thinking that the failure of a game is pinpointed by the incapability's of an individual developing the game, rather than the consumers liking of the product in question. For example: Helldivers 2 is successful because it's not an already established, and popular, IP trying it's hand at a PvE cooperative shooter genre. Halo had been established, in it's multiplayer all the way back since 2001, as competitive. We can "play devil's advocate" and lump single cases in with the majority and claim "no, no, it was a party game" -- but was it? How many people, in 2005, played Halo 2 to only play Tower of Power of Gangsta's Paradise? How many 18+ adults played only these attributes, or Cops & Robbers, and not "Matchmaking" (Which was only ranked and underneath skill based matchmaking, because it was competitive lol). The only contrarian takes are the ones that point the failure of a perfectly working game on the developer, instead of the consumers who influenced the developer to push that direction. To me, telling people that "Halo will bring back millions to the game if it has forge, a custom games browser, infection and firefight" is contrarian. Telling people that Halo's only allure from it's dawn on Xbox Live (2004-2010) was it's unique level progression solution (1-50), in which was the only entry of the time to feature both Skill Based Matchmaking & Skill Based Progression.
@@TheEscapePlan01 He's a madman that froths at the mouth about earning meaningless virtual rank. He has manufactured this totally wrong competitive-only dogma and he doesn't consider 95% of the people who play Halo for fun to be "real Halo fans". He insists all classic Halo fans were only sweating in Ranked Matchmaking 24/7. Anonymous is the craziest little guy we will ever meet and he loves writing 8+ paragraph episodes of text diahhera.
I think the funniest part is that Halo 1 - 3 only added a singular to two (3 total, 2 in Halo 3, 1 and in Halo 2) new vehicles between the two entries; And with the most vehicle heavy entry being Halo 4, I view the "mentioning vehicles being added" as a staple of "I'm repeating what I'm told online". Both of these entries, Halo 2 and Halo 3, didnt' even carry over the new vehicle per title. Meanwhile, Halo Infinite not having "as many vehicles as Halo 4 or Halo 5" is equally as stupid as not realizing how little people cared about the inclusion or addition of them -- it's a talking point. If they added 3 new vehicles, and it changed zero individuals playing BTB, would it have really mattered? No lol. Much like it wouldn't have mattered if they added 30 social playlists or dedicated half the game to "party". No one played Halo for these attributes, not in the past or present -- in the presents it's even worse, as most who play any FPS do so strictly to play ranked. Remember that one time in 2001 - 2010 where Bungie added a new vehicle 2 years after the game launched? Yeah, good times. (they never did, and there was barely any social playlists. Halo 2 and Halo 3 focused on it's ranked playlists, not social). Even Clan Matches had an in-game tournament system, bonus points to the older folks, like myself, who actually remember this.
@@anonymous7564 Just off the top of my head Halo 2 added the Spectre and the Gauss Hog (which is now a mainstay), and Halo 3 added the Elephant, the Hornet, the Chopper (which returns in Infinite), the AA turret, and the AA Wraith. Also it's odd that you don't include how Reach added the Falcon, the Revenant, and the Broadsword. Please stop licking 343's boot so hard, it cannot be good for your tongue. Also Bungie HAS added vehicles post-launch, such as the transport Hornet on Halo 3's Sandbox map. Sorry that you never cared about Halo's vehicles, but for a lot of us they were another unique gameplay element that helped set Halo apart from other shooters like CoD.
@@cameronberhow8596 Let's iterate: - Spectre was on one map, which basically was the same concept as the Warthog. - Gauss hog is the same vehicle (warthog) with a different turret. - Elephant was not a vehicle. It was a dynamic map element. - Hornet was only on one map. - Chopper was a new addition, but nothing ground breaking. These aren't "new vehicles". These are reskinned concepts of the same thing. This is what 343 has done in Halo Infinite, of which you're complaining about. The only Halo game with legitimate new vehicles is Halo 4. "Please stop licking 343's boot so hard, it cannot be good for your tongue." I'm not licking any boots, you dumb f***. I'm insinuating that you're blinded by your childhood nostalgia and have no idea what you're talking about. Halo never "introduced new vehicles", nor were they ever front and center. Halo is not Forza. Halo is Halo. The intention of vehicles originally was to provide an optional route to quickly bring players from one location to another with objective. What you want is additional new bad-player friendly vehicles, which is not (even remotely) what Bungie ever added. "Also Bungie HAS added vehicles post-launch, such as the transport Hornet on Halo 3's Sandbox map." By extension, each iteration of the current vehicles added into Halo Infinite is a "new vehicle". "Sorry that you never cared about Halo's vehicles, but for a lot of us they were another unique gameplay element" Almost 99% of players never cared that deeply about them. You requesting new ways to utilize ease of access shooting doesn't dictate it was ever part of Bungie's design philosophy. You have no idea what you're talking about. You want Halo 4. Not Halo 1 - 3. You're the one "licking the boots of 343" if you believe that Vehicles are what separated Halo from CoD, rather than it's actual matchmaking (You know, sbmm -- the thing Halo invented for FPS via 1-50). But go off, child. Let the one who was 18+ when Halo launched in 2001 actually remind you what Halo was.
My issue with Firefight is that some maps are not optimized for the mode. Some are just recycled MP maps and the lack of things like ammo resupply boxes hurt the mode, in those maps.
Omg. I so want the Flamethrower back the most! But there’s plenty of others I want. H3 Missile Pod, H2 Bruteshot, Sticky det, CE Plasma Rifle, H5 Hydra, dual Spiker, dual SMGs, Plasma Launcher, H5 Silenced Magnum (with its Auto 9 looking design). There’s so much 343 could bring back to freshen up the sandbox.
If my memory serves me right, the “green visor” (Harvest Turquoise) wasn’t a store item. It was a reward from an “ultimate weekly challenge”, hence why game says it’s unavailable. It was one of my favorite videos from Halo 4 and I don’t have it in Infinite either.😢
See to me, Halo Infinite looks very odd (besides armour) it's almost like it's been made with a forge tool if that makes sense. Like you know how in say Reach maps you knew you were playing on a map that's been made in forge it's kinda like that. Then the lighting as well I don't know it all just feels off besides the armour. (Until it's in a well lit area) Also, I'm not a fan of how it's all very balanced around a competitive experience.
I mean, the only problems i see is 1. You cant disable crossplay, i disabled crossplay in the xbox settings and yet i still get matched vs 3 pc players, super fair and not at all busted. 2. De sync, pretty terrible at times. Even on 20 ping. 3. Cant earn armour. I find that pretty lame that if you play everyday for weeks you earn nothing.
@@uBpGK They actually just fixed it this past week. The game engine now is actually more stable than almost every Unreal Engine 5 game (ironic). What is truly missing is matchmaking, almost all of the matchmaking is geared toward "social" Halo community members -- AR Starts, extended long distance radar, extended long distance maps to play hide and seek, loads of vehicle centric playlists, and loads of party centric playlists. Only one ranked playlist, with one half-arsed Ranked Slayer playlist with, again, horrible forge maps created by "the community" added into it. I lay this quote from Bungie out so people remember, 20 years ago, Bungie pioneered Skill Rank into their games (10 years before every other game) and this was, in Halo 2 and Halo 3, over 85% of the offered playlists (ranked playlists) with nearly identical competitive settings, minus radar being disabled and game battles changes for mlg in 2008 (because Halo 3 launched Game Battles). "The goal of Halo 2’s level system is first and foremost to help you find the most enjoyable games possible. Games that are neck and neck, where the only sure way to win is by playing above your abilities, be it through better planning, more focus, improved team communication, whatever. But it’s fun to not be so serious all the time. That’s what custom games are for, or the Training Grounds playlist if you don’t have enough Friends online to form a custom game. But we believe that games that challenge you to rise above your current abilities are the most enjoyable and the most rewarding." - Bungie 2004 - 2010.
@@nairbgolden2008 not really, just the PC and console pool should be different. Mouse and keyboard is pretty mid but PC 240hz with controller, it makes bums suddenly hit perfects.
The totally ironic part of the agreeable points is that the concerns here are "competitive" concerns. IE: "Controller has such an insane advantage especially with 240hz" In a world where you don't care if you win or lose, or you think every game isn't important (at all) and nothing matters at all when you play it, and the game itself isn't even important, your take away is "crossplay, ping, unfair". All of these concerns are because Halo Infinite removed the remaining bits of competitive integrity post it's launch all due to a community of folks who say "Halo is not a competitive game". All of those people don't understand that the level of competition is dictated by the stakes on the line, not how the game is being played. If it's player verses player, where skill and teamwork dictates who will win, it's a competitive game. Halo had traditionally (classic) been a low stakes competitive game, with higher stakes gearing toward tournament play, and no-stakes only being a niche (4-6 Social queues in Halo 3, 3-4 in Halo 2; opposed to 12-15 ranked queues). The point I'm making: Next time someone says "Halo is not competitive", remember they're the reason why there isn't separate queues for Keyboard & Mouse and Controller, or why KBM has assistance applied now, or why assist buffs keep happening to weapons, rather than nerfs that should have appropriately took place...or network stability, etc.
Don't worry, Halo isn't a competitive game. They added 4,000 armors and 10,000 armor coatings all lore centric so you can get your casual fun on. (I'm being facetious to make a point, claiming Halo is "non competitive" while being a multiplayer centric entry where you play verses other players is entirely stupid and fails to grasp why Halo's multiplayer was always significantly more popular than it's story. In addition, being that most of it's playlists were "ranked", it's primary function of multiplayer was always low-stakes competition, or competing for a skill rank, verses no-stakes competition, or playing for no rank, known as social. Seeing as how there was over 14 ranked playlists in Halo 2, 4 unranked, and 12 ranked playlists in Halo 3, 6 total unranked, we clearly see the problem with this perception). Needless to say, if Halo was suppose to be a "social" or "casual" game, adding weapons wouldn't have been important since the intention behind playing Halo Infinite wouldn't be to "use the weapons", but to casually socialize, have non-competitive fun, and play wonky custom games. Hopefully I made that joke clear, and hopefully this crosses the creators mind and says "You know, that's a good point, if Halo isn't suppose to be competitive then why do people keep asking for competitive function in a non-competitive game." And hopefully, at that point, they'll say "Maybe it's that the people who suck at video games want to not be reminded that they suck at video games and can't improve, while the majority of players don't have this issue, which is why they want ranked playlists and why they feel unranked/social is boring and why the games population always suffers." (The irony here is Halo 5 had over 300,000 after it's 2nd year, and over half of that population was playing ranked playlists, with the "casual community", coined by themselves, being upset that Social BTB and Social playlists didn't get unique new maps but had forge maps instead. Almost like the entire issue is that "343 needs to focus only on me" is strictly the reason why Halo Infinite is failing, as all they did was focus almost entirely on the "Halo Community" defined by a specific niche, rather than the players as a whole).
@@anonymous7564 They call you an elaborate troll. You type these 9+ paragraph comments with the most nonsense contrarian opinions and nobody seems to even care. I am physically laughing at this.
Good video, but cant agree with good gameplay. This is the same game which has still no real player collision, useless sprint, and imo the worst and most floaty feeling movement. Worse sound (Grav hammer, plasma Pistol) and destruction effecs as well as worse physics than Halo 3 , Bad Sprint, (delete it) and bad climbing, just for the sake of having it. The pistol as starter weapon is still to strong and better then 70 % of weapon you can pick up. Bad netcode, bad optimisation. Inconsistent gameplay ( mangler in comp and social), the worst competitive system and social system (MMR) and so on. Campaign site: empty open world, cliffhanger ending, no worthwile earnables.
I quit about 4 months+ after launch with playing ranked. I installed it back a couple days ago and the game surely feels great with all the new multiplayer modes. Sadly ranked mode is dead for me, it takes forever to find a match. It seems more casual/arcade fun but people just go for the MCC collection for that. Game feels great but it’s so dead now which sucks
ahh I can agree that the games slowly getting better and better, but only by comparison from where it started at. Compared to the rest of the series, Halo Infinite still remains very stale :/ every now and then I reinstall the game because my interest peaked again. Sadly, I can't justify having it on my pc for too long. - Game size doesn't quite justify the content - Multiplayer matches are too quick - Campaign is very awkward, including mob AI - Nothing satisfying to grind, even in ranked mode - Forge saved this game
I had to wait 2 years for the most recent Christmas battle pass to get a red and white coating I was remotely happy with that wasn't behind a price tag
The state is better and is much more enjoyable. What baffles me is all this improvements should have came out day 1. Even that there’s still things lacking and missing details that made halo stand out from the rest. I am convinced that 343 was to afraid of earnings that they over tuned the micro-transactions. They also announced the game too early and believed in release now fix later strategy that cost them their player base trust if there was any. There were many things done right but as much or more done wrong: 1)The art style is as good or better as halo ever looked personally 2)Audio design is amazing, and halo infinites music is so memorable and identity. 3) the campaign story is finally not dog shit What’s missing that stood out to me: 1) There is no lobby in multiplayer after a match 2) horrible customisation and micro-transactions 3)no playable elites 4)no split screen 5)horrible progression system 6)horrible battle pass challenges 7)lack of game modes And much more, some of this were finally added after sometime. But what I’m implying is why were they missing on day 1. They have so many games before for reference to learn and improved on. I’m passionate for halo and I’m glad I played it when it was in its glory days.
the way you put it near the end is so true. It's a halo game anyone with the space can download and play with friends, but that's basically it. it needs to be more competent, and content complete.
@@jasperfox6821For starters, it lacks reasoning to spent time playing the game. For example, you can jump onto Fortnite, Apex, Counterstrike, Valorant -- and all have a set defined reason why you play, and that's to improve and win. Halo Infinite's focus is to appease a community of folks who never wanted to play an FPS but wanted to in-game cosplay in the lore and play community driven maps in playlist with no stakes outcomes. Classic Halo, as in Halo 2 and Halo 3, almost every playlist you played had a low stake on the line -- your rank. This defined the purpose of why you played what you did, and what provided you incentive to return. The lack thereof this, and entirely continued pressure to "make the game easier and more digestible for the bad players" (to the point of adding timers to every weapon, hitmarkers on every grenade, radar that's expansive in 2024, an announcer that tells you when power items come up, and even physical countdown timers for power items that tell you where they're located and what time they'll be up; Halo Infinite itself is a shell of what "could have been" the best Halo game, if it wasn't held back by a community of people who were so piss poor at the original games that they required handicaps to feel better playing it for zero stakes. I'd argue the moment 343 stops focusing on trying to make Halo Infinite "more digestible for the lore nerd to play multiplayer", and the more ranked offerings are added, the more players will start to play the game again. The less impactful weapons like the AR would be at a range, the more likely players are to learn how to accurately shoot their weapons and want to learn how to pace their gameplay to win. To stop the brainlet that says something like "you just want everything to be an esport" -- it doesn't require money on the line in order to feel a sense of fulfillment and an accomplishment of winning. That's why multiple FPS games that are highly competitive are casually played by tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of players constantly, and Halo Infinite, much like Reach & 4, tailor to a small community "niche" with only a subset of the focus going toward the majority of players.
It's not that it's not good, because it's actually one of the best that 343 has pumped out. The continuous issues that everyone ignores is the lack thereof focus on areas that use to be staples of Halo, but seemlingly were viewed (by 'the community') as "totally not staples but niches". Like Ranked Playlists; Once the most populated locations of Halo 2 and Halo 3 for their entire lifespan, "Ranked playlists" were the majority of playlists in the original entries- - and Halo Infinite is entirely missing them. Weapon balancing and projectile velocity -- Halo Infinite has far too many powerful easy-to-use weapons with balance permitting weapons, like the AR, to have minimal spread and drop off, such that spraying it from a distance can just instantly reward kills. Lack of developer maps; Because the "community" claimed in 2022 that they only 'want' forge maps, 343 simply delayed releasing their developer centric maps and never adjusted appropriately coined developer maps in order to appease the very same community that claims Halo never had ranked playlists (lol). And that's just the tip of the iceberg if I'm being honest. Every map weapon is put on a rack, which has a physical countdown timer on it. All weapon weapons have countdown timers physical timers, and an announcer (your ai) that tells you when it's coming up. Outlines make it physically easier to see opponents, thus making everyone almost near visible at every turn and even through poor geometry via forge maps. Keyboard and Mouse has assistance that's greater than every other FPS game that exist (lol). It's not that Halo Infinite isn't genuinely a good game, or that it doesn't have potential. It's that the game hasn't had the ability to be at the potential to attract and retain players, since the only vocality Halo Infinite ever has continuously is the person who thinks it's "bad" if they lose to someone who is better than them at a video game, and it's "bad" to tell people how good they are at a game, and it's "bad" that people have fun improving at the game, and that it's "bad" that people view a skill level as a sense of progression. Instead, those particular individuals who claim "it's bad" want a game where they're only playing it to "pass time by", and never want to feel like their 10,000 hours inside of the game netted to zero skill achieved, as it'll have to provide them with the distinct reality that they "wasted their time", which they don't want to be told that. Despite Halo 2 and Halo 3 having no care about how much time you put in the game, and it was all about the capability of you as a player to learn, grow and improve -- not "because you have this great hate for competitive games."
They should copy paste 1-1 halo reach customization. There have been so much new armour pieces added since then. But the reach has so much customization. If they copied it 1-1 they could add a store with all the other options that aren’t in the reach customization system. You now have a great customization system but have the ability to add so many skins in the store and make money still
Honestly Halo Infinite right now is at its peak, they’re already moving on. The games horrid launch and development doomed this game so much they’re abandoning it for a new game, here’s for another Halo launch so we can have the first good one in 15 years.
Hate that it took so long, but I play the game regularly and really enjoy it. Been a halo fan since Halo CE. I’ve been playing consistently since season 4 and in terms of customization, I have no complaints now. I think there are enough coatings and color combos to make my Spartan look however I want. It’s definitely the best customization system in Halo. The cores combined with cross core capabilities make it ideal for me. Even back in reach and halo 3, we didn’t have anywhere close to the amount of customization we have in infinite. My main complaints lie with weapon and vehicle sandboxes along with not having all classic halo maps in matchmaking. To add to that, I feel that since this game is called Halo INFINITE, it really should’ve had everything from previous Halo games… imagine if we had warzone, breakout, etc…. Could’ve been even better than what it is.
The only positive of the current customization is the argument of eventuality. Eventuality all ftp players will have a great armor hall without having to spend money in the game. It just blows you’re gonna be waiting a long time for it and if you miss them, THEN you have to pay 5$ per pass. $10 for the seasons, but at least you can earn credits in the seasons so technically $10 for all 5 season and 2 operations. It’s better value than the store but man it does still suck
I haven’t played infinite for months. I just occasional install to see the changes and uninstall the same day. It’s hard to explain but it’s just a different vibe and feel from MCC MP. I still think the access to bots while even offline for infinite is still worthy of a praise since my IP sucks and occasionally shuts down the internet for whatever reason.
Halo infinite is fun but lacking in sandbox and vehicle area. Also game modes we need more and pregame post game lobbies veto system. Next halo game needs everything infinite has and a whole lot more.
I mainly moved on to Helldivers now. I come back every once in awhile, mainly when there's a new update. But besides that got burnt out, was one of the few that stuck with the game the whole way. Up until Season's were done. Now I'm waiting on whatever new game they do This game was a big disappointment. I thought for sure this game was going to be Halo big win. Guess next game
"for the remainder of the game" wasn't Infinite supposed to be like the "last game" sort of thing? Least for Multiplayer wise? I thought 343 were making this game last forever, hence the name "Infinite" and would just release new single players? Or am I totally remembering it wrong?
I believe that was the plan under the last creative director, Chris Lee, before Joe Staten came back. I think the “Halo Infinite being supported for 10 years” plan is no longer what’s happening.
@@_Majestic_Gaming Ah ok, fair. After the launch it would make sense they would have considered changing plans instead of doubling down, either way I just hope they can release a good complete product.
Still is. Contrary to the Halo Community pushing a gamble on clicks (no offense to Majestic Gaming as I'm sure they didn't catch on), there is a new Halo entry in development, but it's non-multiplayer and non-mainline. It'll be multi-platform and specifically be tailored to get people over to the Xbox brand and specifically to play the mainline Halo entries. Coined directly from 343 Industries, it's an Experience game, which from who I was talking to recently, is exactly as described: "What the players experience as a consequence of interacting with a game. These experiences are generally studied in light of metrics such as flow, immersion, competence, challenge, tension, and negative/positive affect." Ever wonder what Halo would look like as an Action RPG, where you 'choose' and interact? Worry no more, as by 2026 it'll be, for a small fee, available on all platforms since it doesn't follow Master Chief, in fact, it should (in theory) happily bring back memories of Halo Reach and ODST (Ironically it'll be end up biting 343 in the arse because the 'community' never cared about these things, they're contrarian). Yes, this game has no multiplayer. And yes, this is a marketing pitch game. There's no guarantee of the platforms it will be on, but they're shooting for all platforms.
Listening in here has made me so disinterested in playing Infinite. From the outside looking in it feels like ppl are waiting still waiting for the game to release. Forge, custom games, and specific color combinations should not be something we had to wait for.
Sad, this game really had the potential. There were over 250k players on PC alone the first week and now even with alll the updates they cant crack 10k on a good week PC wise. Imsure console gets atleast 20 to 30k being a F2P game. Only solice is this new game will be done by new people, people who carried MCC after its failure and brought it to PC.
the fact they even announced they were gonna start focusing on a new game is delusional. Desync is still a problem, they spent like three years just making the game playable. That's three years they could have been working on giving us permanent ranked playlists like team slayer, doubles, snipers, skirmish; creating actual firefight maps instead of just forging grunts onto boring multiplayer maps (these issues shouldn't even take that long to fix and create). They could have actually been delivering a memorable experience and giving us something worth our time. Now that the game is just okay enough to play, but stressful because the social experience is gone and you can literally feel the algorithm and when a game is rigged, they announce they're gonna work on something else. That's just unacceptable. 343 was given a piece of gold in halo and they can literally never make a halo that doesn't sell. They'll always be here, making mediocre and terrible Halo experiences, because Halo will always sell. Imagine how much more money would be generated, and how much more fun we could be having, if 343 was kicked to the curb forever and an actual competent studio worked on the game. 343, Microsoft, whoever, killed it. It's so sad how this predatory moneygrabbing behavior has infested video games. And they freaking had chief take off his helmet and the actor said something along the lines of "you can't emotionally connect with a character if you don't see their face." I've been playing halo for 20 years and never saw chief's face. The fact I live in a reality where Halo is messed up in the most avoidable and braindead ways absolutely ****** me off lol Yeah, sorry for the vent
@genjidora8742 no man I totally get it I was beyond hyped for this game and even after the other two I was willing to try again and be hyped, I've been completely checked out of halo for these last two years, that's the first time that's happened ever for me, 343 is a fucking disaster artist, everything they do crushes my soul. I give up.
@@RyleyStorm It's going to be an Action RPG game, specifically one where you choose the dialog, choose the route/path, and choose the outcomes based on the narrative events; Something akin to Life is Strange, but within the Halo universe. That is the rumored Unreal Engine 5 game, but don't just take it from me. You'll figure that if it gets past it's design phases, I don't think it will even get approved to the platforms it wants to get onto.
The game would be just fine by me if I could enjoy it but I use mouse and keyboard like the majority of people who play FPS games and to us, 343 said fuck you.
its crazy how modern day devs dont learn from how good past games were and what made them great games and continue to barf out these unifinished soulless games
I’m disappointed in 343 and really all AAA titles nowadays. Corporate greed is something else. Turns great series into junk. Lack of content still within halo infinite is still a thing. Lack of vehicles, playable species, weapons, Good btb maps, dire halo modes, etc. They hit the nail with forge. But without this missing content it’s stale.
Truthfully Halo would never succeed as something like Helldivers, as Halo's entire core gameplay and mechanics were never going to work like that (ever). You'd have to create a brand new spin-off series entirely separate from the entry to make it equal to that, and even at that point -- you'd have to hope that there's enough lore-heads to keep your game alive, seeing as how the only reason Helldivers 2 is popular is distinctly due to it's contemporary and wonky lore. And even that point, you're at the whims of assuming that people played Halo for it's lore (which will be entirely inaccurate for the modern era). Now if Halo did this, say in 2006, this would probably have shot off like a rocket, but we're past the era where Halo's story and lore is unique, or even relatively viewed as "peak" scifi.
until the sidekick gets dumpstered so people stop crutching on that blatantly OP ass I win every CQC by spamming as fast as i can with generous bullet magnetism and aim assist. Infinite is dead to me. That shitty gun and every little bitch crutching on that thing killed the game for me.
"The goal of Halo 2’s level system is first and foremost to help you find the most enjoyable games possible. Games that are neck and neck, where the only sure way to win is by playing above your abilities, be it through better planning, more focus, improved team communication, whatever. But it’s fun to not be so serious all the time. That’s what custom games are for, or the Training Grounds playlist if you don’t have enough Friends online to form a custom game. But we believe that games that challenge you to rise above your current abilities are the most enjoyable and the most rewarding." - Bungie 2004 - 2010. Agreed. It does feel like this, and a large part is due to the 2+ years they spent focusing on "making armors and social playlists with forge maps for the community" rather than actually making & adding content related to Halo Infinite.
Yes, worse now with Easy Anticheat, since they took so long to respond with a solution, they didn't other confirming that the previous ones were incapable of working with it. Needless to say, 343 had been working overtime to patch these out of the game. But don't worry, "halo is not a competitive game" or whatever the community says, so you shouldn't feel upset if someone cheats -- since it's "not competitive", you shouldn't expect competitive integrity. (I'm being facetious as it's the only way to put the point across that there's no such thing as a "casual" Halo game, it's all competitive -- it's the stakes on the line that determine the level of competition. Halo definitively was meant for low-stakes competition, or "Ranked" gameplay, with "no stakes" being the select few unranked playlists of Halo 2 and Halo 3, and "high stakes" being tournament play, which was always a thing dating back to the 80's and 90's. "Casual" gaming is not relevant in the FPS space, and it's more of a Mandela effect than anything, but for the sake of argument -- we can assume "casual halo" is defined by a community of custom game players who shored their likings on a forum called "Halo Waypoint" and the developer assumed that they were all of the players of Halo.)
Stppped playing season 1. Sounds like the game is at a point where if this was a random game on game pass that was free to play it would be regarded as a game of the year type thing. But this is halo. We know what we expect and we know what want. It’s actually insulting that this is where halo is at
Agreed. It's insulting becasue all the "community" does is pretend that their niche is the only thing that exists, 343 then focuses on them (and only them) and then blames everyone else for it being "too competitive", despite it literally telling you where every weapon is, when everything comes up, and having more aim assist than it had at launch. I provide a singular quote from Bungie that directly says what's wrong with Halo Infinite. "The goal of Halo 2’s level system is first and foremost to help you find the most enjoyable games possible. Games that are neck and neck, where the only sure way to win is by playing above your abilities, be it through better planning, more focus, improved team communication, whatever. But it’s fun to not be so serious all the time. That’s what custom games are for, or the Training Grounds playlist if you don’t have enough Friends online to form a custom game. But we believe that games that challenge you to rise above your current abilities are the most enjoyable and the most rewarding." - Bungie 2004 - 2010. (Level System was the 1-50 Ranking system, known today as "ranked" matchmaking. This was almost exclusively all Halo 2 and Halo 3 had for matchmaking. Halo was never CoD, and Halo trying to be a "social casual game" is why it's boring to the broader audience).
@@anonymous7564 Infinite in its current state would have been a phenomenal live service Halo to launch along with a fully fleshed out Halo game. I would have been thrilled to get Halo 5 again with this story. The campaign was great. The multiplayer ruined what could have been. I’m not even trying to be unreasonable and expect any new Halo game to encapsulate what the original trilogy was and I’m excited to see what these new stories bring and how 343 deviates from what Bungie did. But if this is what Halo in the 2020’s and beyond looks like then I’m afraid our favorite franchise may be doomed
@@Dude00002 Well I suppose let's reply to this one appropriately as you're not being argumentative here. I disagree with the "if Infinite launched in its current state" (or in relation to), as the problem with Halo Infinite's launch was exactly what we have today, except an improved networking model lol. Halo Infinite failed because there was nothing else to play besides "social", which is the problem. Halo Infinite's launch specifically targeted older adults who played, namely, Halo 2 and Halo 3 directly -- it's entire target audience was gathered upon nostalgia mixed with the "classic Halo" vibe, with the "MLG Era" being directly in line with Halo Infinite's launch. The problem was post launch. The focus on and after launch was on the following: - Armor - Store - Battle Pass - Unranked gameplay - Forge and Forge leaks - Unique Social Experiences/Custom Experience - "Party flavor fun" - Lore in Armor - Armor Coatings - A dozen, to two dozen Social playlists over a year and a half (going on 2.5 years actually), with only one ranked playlist. The actual players wanted the following: - Less focus on store and battle pass - Removal of cheaters, perma ban & hardware ban of cheaters - Network model fixes that were geared toward the competitive integrity Halo had been known for in the classic era - Region locking to prevent overseas people from forcing server selection to hit them (Something Halo always had until this entry) - More ranked playlists, namely permanent ones that were staples to the franchise since 2004 (Slayer, Swat, Lonewolves/FFA, Doubles, BTB, Objective, Control, etc, Classic) - Weapon rebalancing and turning to provide a "Halo" feel, in which primary precision weapons were dominant, not pickup non-power weapons etc. See, a lot of the problems that people had, as in the actual audience (not the "Halo Community youtuber audience of those who hate Halo but want fps to be geared toward their niche"), was that Halo Infinite was lacking the soul of Halo's multiplayer experience, defined in Halo 2 and Halo 3. Definitively, the "creator community" blamed the Game Engine (lol) while 343 literally said "The problem is we can't have all of these social playlists with also staple ranked playlists" dozens of times, and no one listens to them. An internal solution pitched before management and leadership changes by now former developers was to remove Social queues and replace it with a singular "social" queue which you can search for all options in one (aka, the "Match Composure") and then add Ranked playlists as staple playlists. And that's the answer to how Halo Infinite will turn ground, seeing as how it's the only mainline multiplayer entry planned until at least 2030 or later (now a known fact by those in the know), the solution for reviving Halo Infinite relies solely on bringing up classic ranked dominant gameplay back to the forefront, and pushing "social" to the niche category it was in the Bungie years of Halo. What people misunderstand is that Halo 2 and Halo 3 only had between 4 - 6 social playlists at a given time, with 4 being the average and 6 being "When 343 Studios took over" (lol). By comparison, there was always well over 12 ranked playlists consistently there, with Halo 3 having from 10 - 12 usually, and Halo 2 having in excess of 12 to 15 ranked options. To simplify a lot of this, Halo Infinite could come back if 343 focuses primarily on what makes Halo an FPS, rather than focusing on "How to please the youtuber who claims the edgy alt-culture thing they said to get clicks". As it's evident that even following closely what a Halo TH-camr says "will fix Halo", ends up making Halo Infinite less popular than all other counterparts (ala the 'focus of 2022 - 2023 social and party games'). Statistically, the most raged out maps in Halo Infinite are community-created Forge maps, but this had always been known as Forge maps in all of Halo had always been the most "quit dominant" maps to exist inside of the entry, Halo Infinite stands taller and says "You'll only have a 10% chance of obtaining a developer map" on social playlists, which increases that quit rate to a staggering 80%. I digress, however, as that's off on a tangent -- Halo is where it's at now because "the community" claimed Halo was a "social party game filled with custom games and experiences that provided casual fps players a place to play". 343 triple-downed on this, and provided 18+ Social playlists, with only 1 ranked playlist. This is absolutely a polar opposite of Halo 2, which had mostly ranked playlists (15) and less than 5 social offerings at a time, 2 of which were rotational (one of which was a paid map playlist dlc). And you can quickly see why I wrote what I did. Halo Infinite is in a poor place, particularly, because the "community" claims that Halo is something it never was, and then 343 responded instantly with appeasing them, time and time again. This isn't "new" to 343 Industries, they did this with Halo 4, and again with Halo 5. Halo Infinite was a fresh ground to start new on, and start appeasing regular players (who typically lean toward Ranked playlists because, again, this is Halo), and they simply ignored everything but whatever the "Halo Community claimed was important". It took them over a year to even balance the BR for keyboard and mouse, and again over a year to even adjust the mangler, let alone just remove it from the map (which was all that was required to provide fun to the game). Even now, they pushed the mechanic back to the original parameters -- yet disregarded that numerous "forge" maps have mangler spawns all over them intentionally because the community that "builds these maps" literally only has a disdain for "pro players" despite regular consumers being the market, not pro players (and regular consumers hated the mangler, pro players just agreed that it's overpowered). 343 Industries since recently this year at least has started to take shape and provide a direct answer to each problem that exists within Halo Infinite. Their first tackling the netcode, which they finally did. Next they're tackling the matchmaking and how it matches players, and how it ranks based on this. Then they're tacklling the playlist problems that exist, which hopefully will return Halo to a predominantly Ranked setting for most players (providing a singular location to not play an FPS without a consequence, ala "no time wasted"). Etc. Halo Infinite has a brighter future than it did it's start, but it's taken 2 years of "constant failure" by 343 to acknowledge that the "Halo Community" wanted a game niched to a certain subclass of players, not the overwhelming majority -- and although 343 Industries developers knew this, the leadership did not, and only wanted to have their names not smeared because "TH-camr took their name and claimed they required this for money" instead of acknowledging that they only listened to "community feedback", which asked for exactly what is being criticized. When it comes to "Why Halo Infinite like this", it's as simple as someone saying "no one asked for this" and responding with the actual video, tweet, or reddit thread of people asking exactly for that a year ago. The Halo Community if full of clickbaiters, attention cravers, or people who want to play an FPS without any merit of learning to improve, and then telling everyone else "i shouldn't need to, this is just a game lol like i should be just a pro immediately because i have thousands of games played thats how it works lol". Until 343 fully removes that, you'll still have HaloFollower claiming the next Halo mainline multiplayer game is going to Unreal Engine (it's not, that's a multiplatform experience game that's not even multiplayer), or some guy complaining that "HCS gets so much attention" while ignoring that the overwhelming majority of players to all of Halo, who do not play Halo Infinite, only pay attention to HCS because it's been a tradition since 2006 for them.
@@anonymous7564 the most fun anyone ever had on Halo was when Bungie included those special game types into matchmaking. I wholeheartedly disagree. 3 and Reach were for online multiplayer purposes probably the most played and as the lifecycle went on you got a lot of special game types or force maps and that was where everyone had fun. The competitive landscape is what it is and the people who enjoy that will always enjoy that, but the rant of “unhappy TH-camr” is something that isn’t quite true. For me and a lot of friends I grew up with, we drifted away from halo because it felt too competitive. We have always enjoyed sitting back and playing weird game modes like Griff ball or fiesta slayer. Or downloading the community maps and playing things like the super happy fun slide or the toilet bowl. I am aware that things are different now but we are in an era of gaming where everyone wants to be sweaty and try hard because they’re think that they are going to make it big on twitch. Gaming has changed vastly since halo 3 and I understand that, I was one of the few people who truly thought halo 5 was fun. But the community continues to say “we aren’t COD” and then complains when they get things vastly different than COD
@@Dude00002 "Bungie included those special game types into matchmaking." Do you mean Action Sack? Sure, but that's not every playlist. That's one lol. "3 and Reach were for online multiplayer purposes probably the most played and as the lifecycle " Reach was 343 Industries post launch. Reach was the game that collapsed the player base, cc numerous creators (iCURRazY, 7thSenseTV, MoreConsole, DrexyVids, AlphaFix, Dr Mongoose, etc) who will disagree with this in their respective period of launch. "The competitive landscape is what it is and the people who enjoy that will always enjoy that, but the rant of “unhappy TH-camr” is something that isn’t quite true." That's almost exclusively what the Halo Community does. Moreover, players choose how they play the game in question. If they want to play it competitive, they're going to, and it doesn't change how the game was designed or what certain people get upset about. "For me and a lot of friends I grew up with, we drifted away from halo because it felt too competitive. " Which Halo's? Halo 2 and Halo 3 were incredibly competitive, almost no area was non-competitive unless you joined some little squeakers role play lobby (Which being over 18 at this time, was a literal FBI arrest lol). Halo Reach was the failure point at this, with halo 4 and even Halo 5 both being predominantly non-competitive, Halo 5 only edged that out for having at least ranked playlists, bringing the whole "If Halo had ranked playlists again" debate from 2010 to reality (cc those creators above). "We have always enjoyed sitting back and playing weird game modes like Griff ball or fiesta slayer." So you played post 2010, is what you truly mean to say -- Which I get, but you don't get the capability of claiming that "everyone" did this. Almost no one did, Reach and 4, in particular, are the two entries that dominated the "casual Halo" market place, of which both failed miserably to capture more than a few thousand players at a time. Again, you don't need to go far to prove this -- it's on youtube (I didn't bother linking this to another person who doesn't dare receive the satisfaction -- but search by date and you'll easily see in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013 the problems with Halo Reach & Halo 4's population was due to the entire lack of competitive spaces and the direct focus on a market that was niche, much like Halo Infinites). "Or downloading the community maps and playing things like the super happy fun slide or the toilet bowl. " This is cool and fun at all, but nothing stopped you from doing this in Halo Infinite -- And to claim "this is what everyone wanted" is crazy. You can't depict what everyone in the globe wanted within halo by that, or else the majority of people would have played when Forge came out. Spoiler, they didn't. Forge barely saw an uptick of a few thousand players on each platform respectively, with the largest uptick being "Adding Bandit Evo to ranked arena" (No really, 60,000 players, 48,000 of them exclusively played Ranked Arena and Ranked Doubles for the better half of almost a month). "I am aware that things are different now but we are in an era of gaming where everyone wants to be sweaty and try hard because they’re think that they are going to make it big on twitch." This is where I both agree and disagree. Yes, everyone is more sweaty and try hard now, but that's the product of not just society, but player-verses-player games in general. You were a child when you were playing with your friends. Halo 2 and Halo 3 were unbelievably sweaty and try hard games for their era. Not only was the "competition" player verses environment (ala CoD), but Halo's entire goal was to win. The more you win, the higher your level goes (1-50). The more your level is, the better you intrinsically are at the game, which in turn provides internal reward to that player. Not only was it revolutionary for the time, Halo pioneered "competitive" into matchmaking as early as 2004, and this was the staple playlist option for Halo 2 and Halo 3. Fast forward to today, the reason why it's "so sweaty and try hard" is because the opposite is boring to the vast majority of players. That's why Battle Royale took off so much; You don't just "win", you win against 100 other people. You beat 100 people fighting the same goal. The intrinsic reward in being good was what was required, it has nothing to do with twitch or "being a big streamer". Hell, this entire notion is so unbelievably stupid it comes from naivety and a hefty misunderstanding of what an FPS is. Checkout the song "MLG Pro Song (by Euee)", and you'll quickly acknowledge that was made in 2009. At what point do we start pinning the "pro gamer" phase on Halo, the game that provided Esports not just in 2006 on live TV in the US (USA Network), but had hefty prize pools for that era? Nevermind that -- as it's not even the entire direct point. The direct point is that people will always want to be better than another player at game that's player verses player, and Halo was no exception in the past or even now. The only real exception is 85% of Halo Infinite is catered toward a crowd that thinks "this is bad" while the other 15% fosters over 75% of the player base. "Gaming has changed vastly since halo 3 and I understand that, I was one of the few people who truly thought halo 5 was fun." No, gaming hasn't lol. Halo 3 was hyper competitive, even more so with Halo 2 since Halo 3 launched with Game Battles, and even featured (for the first time in any video game) a pro specific playlist, MLG in early 2008. You simply were not old enough to see that, or didn't acknowledge that. And I get the speckle of "omg first online game on xbox 360", but Halo 2 on xbox Live was equally as sweaty as something like Ranked Arena in Halo Infinite. I'd argue more, since most of the players were at least evened out to the same skill level, where in Halo Infinite, you sort of play the same skill level, but it's not since bad players get boosted to higher levels depending on who they are playing with. "But the community continues to say “we aren’t COD” and then complains when they get things vastly different than COD" Yes, because the majority of everything added into Halo Infinite (and Halo in general) gravitates around a "casual" player base that doesn't exist. Halo never fostered a casual player community -- Halo always fostered a competitive one, and a hyper-competitive one (MLG). Although I get people love revisionist history and love that person who screams "No! No it was casual!", but it just wasn't lol. You literally trash talked your teammates, trash talked the opposing team, told everyone they're trash, 1v1'd them constantly, practiced your strafe and shooting (Octagon for example), practiced leading at distances, practiced skill jumps and various methods of traversal, and practiced to "play the game". The actual developers of Halo 2 and Halo 3 definitively also stated the point of matchmaking was to be competitive, and yet the notion that "We're casual" is why people keep floating back to the "We aren't COD" statements. It's not because we try to clone whatever Call of Duty does -- It's distinctly because Halo was never popularized, remotely, as a "casual audience" game. We didn't attracted people of general gaming, we attracted "hardcore" FPS players. We attracted the same people who grind for rank in apex, valorant or counterstrike.
I'd argue it's because there's only one ranked playlist, and there's mostly social playlists all of which provide zero intrinsic value to the player as the important factor isn't "how good you are able to do or will do over time", but simply "how will your outfit look today in game".
Current state - still an unplayable desynced trash nearly 2.5 years after launch... Content does matter, but not when a game is broken at its very core.
Interesting feedback that tells very much more about the disconnect between "actual players" and community audience players. Let's elaborate. - You discuss areas that were "staples", but neglect to acknowledge that none of the included playlist added into Halo Infinite were staples until past Halo 3. Halo 2 and Halo 3 staple playlists were ranked. - You discuss infection being known for it's 'mini games', yet these mini games were never apart of matchmaking, at least before 2010. Requiring them to be is equally as obscure as believing the 'reason no one is playing it is because of this', when in reality -- it hasn't been popular (as in, heavily populated) since the early days of Halo 3. - You discuss inclusions being added into the game, claiming there's a healthy amount of playlists -- but forget (or simply never knew) that Halo 2 and Halo 3 primarily only had ranked playlists, in which were never touched in Halo Infinite. - You denote BTB in Halo Infinite as being "sweaty" while entirely disregarding that not only Halo 2 having three ranked variations of BTB, with Precision weapon starts (BR), but were denoted around the notion that winning was the only method of progression. While you believe that an unranked variation of AR-Start Automatic Slayer with minimal incentive to win is "super sweaty", it more stands to reason that the issue is your incapability of acknowledging that the "lack of appropriate skill based matchmaking" (As in, you aren't matching with people your exact skill level across the board) denotes that you're going to experience uneven matches wherein you're fighting someone who is significantly better & significantly worse than you consistently. - You claim that Firefight has a "limited amount of maps", despite it having double the maps as Ranked Arena, of which all those maps are brand new (2023+). - You claim squad Battles needs "more maps", despite there being nearly three times as much as Ranked Arena, and of which, newer maps (2023+). All of which Ranked Arena has mostly the same rudimentary maps since launch due to the continuous attempt to "make halo casual" (something Halo never really was, at least defined by the community that thinks reach & 4 were the peak of Halo). And I'm only 5 minutes in. Quite honestly, the last problem is that you bought into the "community" attempt to push the focus away from Halo Infinite, despite 343 never saying anything the community claims 343 has stated. For example, 343 never stated that they were "done with seasons". They stated that the current state of Season's doesn't work with their future plans. That they are moving away from Season's, at this time, to bring "Content Updates" while they look toward future projects (for Halo Infinite). That they are moving away from the "Season" model, as it currently stands, to change the future direction. To claim that they are "not having big seasonal content updates" is a stretch, as most of their content updates never came with the seasons. The "seasons" provided new Battle Passes, or rather 'armor collections" for consumers through 100-tiers via "play game to earn armor". While the community pretends it's impossible to do, the only thing location you cannot gain armor in easily is Ranked (Which brings the secondary problem I'll get to shortly). The statement 343 actually provided was simply that they are getting rid of "seasons" until they can push out the smaller & larger content faster. To elaborate, in order for minor or major updates to push, they had to wait until the cycle patch (season) due to the approval processes required to do so. In this method, the "CU" method, they could bring patches & updates seamlessly without requiring waiting weeks to months for useless cosmetics to be bound to it. The additional clarity via 343 insinuates that they are no longer focusing on customization, not that they are no longer "supporting Halo Infinite". They even stated directly that major, and large, updates are coming to Halo Infinite -- including condensing Social into one playlist (As what should have happened) to improve already extremely low player counts in numerous social playlists. In doing that, they can rectify the largest issue of Halo Infinite: The blatant ignoring and removal of staple Halo content: Ranked Playlists. Halo barely had Social playlists pre 2010. If there was 14 ranked playlists, Halo 2 had at most 5 unranked options. If there was 12 ranked playlists, Halo 3 had at most 5 unranked options. There's no reason for Halo Infinite to have 20 social playlists, 4 of them focusing on Firefight, 3 focusing on "party", 5 focusing on "casual party", and 3 more basic foundational competitive Halo but with "AR Starts" to please the few insecure people upset that they need to aim on a controller to play an FPS. This is Halo. The Community has gate keeped Halo from the millions of players who wanted to play it since the launch of Halo Infinite, and now since 343 is ignoring the communities requests, the community has been on this "lol new halo game" train, thinking that pushing misinformation and confusion will pressure 343 to listen to their ignorance and absolute chaos again. The only reason Halo Infinite lost so many players was the continuous attempt to pressure 343 to remove all forms of competition from the game. If 343 were to have launched with 8 Ranked playlists, and 1 social playlist, no one would have batted an eye but the 20 Halo TH-camrs who were guaranteed to be confronted with the problem that "casual Halo" was never actually popular, and they grifted a community of younger audiences of "casual gamers" to get their ad revenue. The funniest part is watching Certain Affinity announce their newest project, unrelated to Halo, and directly state it's the game that required them to be certified to work on Unreal Engine. Furthering the disinformation train the community keeps spreading.
@@namelessstranger1270 TLDR: sweating in Ranked Matchmaking is fun for everyone who played Halo 2 and Halo 3. What's not fun is the removal of Ranked matchmaking and a focus on party games created in a custom game that almost no one played, and then put into matchmaking as "social". "The goal of Halo 2’s level system is first and foremost to help you find the most enjoyable games possible. Games that are neck and neck, where the only sure way to win is by playing above your abilities, be it through better planning, more focus, improved team communication, whatever. But it’s fun to not be so serious all the time. That’s what custom games are for, or the Training Grounds playlist if you don’t have enough Friends online to form a custom game. But we believe that games that challenge you to rise above your current abilities are the most enjoyable and the most rewarding." - Bungie 2004 - 2010. Halo 2 pioneered, nearly invented "ranked" matchmaking for all FPS games. You never wanted Halo.
@@anonymous7564 You started your comment with an incorrect statement. There's far more to the Halo community than just Ranked players. The Ranked players only constitute a tiny tribe, one of dozens. It's been that way since H2, since H3, since tournament play ever came to Halo. It's just you got your head screwed-on backwards and clouded in your signature insane Competitive-only dogma. Your dogma tries to minimize, belittle and invalidate anyone who plays Halo for genuine fun; but I reject your dogma as being wrong, untrue and downright absurd. You're the kind of kid who thinks all the other kids ONLY want to go down the slide at recess, not realizing that most of the kids are bringing their friends to hang together on the monkey bars. That makes you naive. The Infection Community by itself is probably 5× larger than the Ranked players ever were. People like casual fun with friends, it's legitimately that simple.
@@namelessstranger1270 "There's far more to the Halo community than just Ranked players" Sure, the few thousand people enjoy more than just ranked playlists. How about we focus on the rest of the audience, instead of a few thousand insecure people that are upset that they aren't the best at a video game they sink their time into. "You're the kind of kid who thinks all the other kids ONLY want to go down the slide at recess, not realizing that most of the kids are bringing their friends to hang together on the monkey bars." Weird analogy. Let's peddle this for a moment -- My insinuation is that all FPS entries to date post Halo 2 had followed Halo 2's formula, including Halo 3, wherein the ones that "do not" end up having the worst wraps for "bad sbmm", while ones that do all focus on Ranked play over unranked offerings. "You" want unranked, and the game failing to deliver an audience, are coincidently the same thing. People do not have fun in an unranked environment. It provides: - Zero progression (intrinsic, you can't get this through net games played) - Minimal to no balance (as physical rank being paired with physical rank shows a balance being utilized) - No enjoyment for progressing upward via wins and determination for winning after a loss - No punishment for losing - No achievement for winning People do not play games to "waste time". We're talking about adults, not children. Time is the most valuable asset a person has, especially over 18, and especially over 30. The notion that "no one wants to play ranked" is equally as stupid as not realizing the reason why we have minimal players on Halo Infinite, today, is due to the absurd focus on "social". I can pull the data right now, as of today at 10:27am, there is a total of ~9,000 players. over 7,000 of these players primarily played Ranked Arena or Ranked Slayer collectively. By "primarily", I definitively mean "Most played", not "they didn't travel elsewhere". All of the "social" playlists combined have less than 3,000 concurrent players, as of this moment, with it being the following order (from most to least populated): Squad Battle, Halo 3 Refueled, Husky Raid, Super Fiesta, Big Team Battle, Tactical Slayer, Quick Play, Lone Wolves, Infection, Firefight King of The Hill, Big Team Social, Firefight Heroic King of The Hill To put that into perspective; Firefight requires 4 people to start a match. There is less than 100 in one of the two playlists, and less than 50 in the other. There is just over 600 in two of the social playlists. And there is over 4,000 in Ranked Arena alone as of right now. At peak hours, this is discrepancy is only worse, with additional players not being in Social, but being in Customs (Which I didn't even factor in here, as the number itself is actually incredibly low). The problem that exists with the "Halo Community" is they all think their little niche is the most "popular thing", despite it being a niche. If Halo was ever popular as a "social" game, Halo Infinite wouldn't have such a low population. The actual physics, the actual gameplay -- the game itself for Halo Infinite is close to a classic experience as a modern Halo can get. The problems that exist here is the lack thereof location for people to play "Halo" with only one to sometimes two locations to play. When they get bored of playing Ranked Arena, they travel to one of the 2 dozen Social playlists (lol) to experience horribly built Forge maps and rage quit offline. Almost no one quits out of Ranked matches (factor under 20%), but over 80% of Social matches has quitters. The notion of "quitting" defines clearly that the player isn't happy with the game, the match, or concept or has the determination, time, or energy to complete the match to it's conclusion. That defines that over 80% continuously each day dislike the match being placed, while less than 20% dislike Ranked matches -- and I'd argue that 20% has at least half of which who had the game crash on them, rather than quit. But keep pretending that "Halo is only popular as _____", while disallowing the actual notion that "Halo had mostly ranked playlists, but only a few unranked offerings which were never a focus" from 2004 - 2010. Halo Reach, and definitively Halo 4, are the two titles to introduce "social" and "casual" into Halo, which are the two least populated titles of their respective multiplayer era.
@@anonymous7564 Your reality is demented, chum. We've had this argument before and I already know your illogical points. Your fundamental overview of Halo gameplay both legacy and modern is based *on an absurd obsession* with meaningless virtual rank. Going further, you've manufactured an insane dogma that I promise you, you are the only one with this dogma serving as your whole mindset. I've talked to thousands of people in various discussions centered on Halo over the years and you're the only one who goes: "N-no!!!! The only REAL HALO PLAYERS are in RANKED MATCHMAKING 24/7!!!!!! You're not a real Halo player!!!!!! *severe cold sweat* oh my God, I de-ranked... My life is over." Adults play games for enjoyment, not for some kind of secondary validation that their lives have worth if they reach a rank in-game. I hope that you realize that you are sprouting crazy-talk and I'll refute any of your points. (E.g people in casual probably have chores/family/houses/jobs/etc to take care of and don't feel attached to any specific match. They quit because recreational time isn't infinite.)
personally id love to see timberland. oof dreams amr. having fuel rod back would be soo good. i mean i might pick halo infite up again and i found when i played it maybe 1 year after launch it became boring fast. i played halo 1 on pc for like years. so idk i feel kinda conflicted on it. the forge maps looks so amazing tho. tfw camping seems to be still huge or sitting beside a wall. lame af personally. i found lack of maps and general basically watered down feeling and lack of gamemode turned me off of a game i was waiting years for. i am thinking about re downloading and a bad taste in mouth. from halo 1 pc.
Crazy how we still don't even have the base color white, I can't even make my halo spartan because as far as I know there is no white and red coating.
Edit: I mean a coating in line with the old colors of halo 3
I feel that, I can't make mine quite either, there's no coating that's orange, white and black, at least I have papaya dusk which is light orange and black but not quite what I wanted
Thats not woke enough. Youre not a white…. Supremacist are you?! Smh I cant believe you’d want that.. tss
Real I wanna make my spartan a mix of red and black but the coatings for it are ass
I was in the same boat, until I found a close alternative. The lone wolves battle pass has a coating that is red and white with a little yellow.
Us elite players can get fucked
I love seeing MCC being almost tied for player count at all times
Old is gold
they just need to fix the issues and the multiplayer matchmaking and boom
On steam, yes. I don’t think that’s the case across all platforms.
Ngl probably right on that, although if MCC comes to PS with cross play I can see it matching or passing on Xbox too from people being able to play with friends they couldn't before @@BObbert179
At the time of writing this, Infinite has 4k concurrent players on Steam. MCC has very close to 6k
I know I’m a minority but I have played Halo1 through infinite primarily for its campaign. It’s very disappointing to see them abandon any additional stories. That’s the one thing I can say is so much better with the game Destiny. We don’t have to wait 5+ years to continue the story
AGREED
I know that feel
Is this comment joking or something? Destiny story is basically non existent and is just a bunch of non answered questions. Its known for its fun mmo gunplay and raids not for its awful story. It’s been like a decade or more of time and we STILL don’t know what the traveler is for. We understood what the ring was for from the first halo game.
Pick up the Halo novels you can either read them or listen to the audiobooks. All the audio books are really well produced.
If you want some more Halo story then those are the best spots to get them now. Halo for me isn't even a game franchise; It's a book series.
I would recommend either starting with fall of reach, or the Master Chief story trilogy that recently got released.
You can actually purchase all the old amors still. In the armor hall you can inspect the armor which give you an option to see it in the store and you can buy it.
That's a microtransaction. Not a plus.
I know I'm in the minority here but having ghosts spawn in 4v4 is really annoying. I feel like vehicles should be left to the larger modes.
@@genjidora8742 That sounds really obnoxious tbh. I just quit now if I see an opponent avoid gun fights to wait for the ghost.
Especially when they put no plasma pistol of weapons to counter them. Or when I'm paired up with 3 people who who get obliterated and they control them all.
The gunplay in this game is amazing but this is genuinely ruining H3 refueled for me. It's funny too because the guy I always see in the ghost will start like 9-0 and then end like 12-16 if they can't get the ghost the rest of the match.
yeah, my goal every time when I play those maps is to break the game as much as possible and get it over with as fast as I can. And if i keep getting ars and pistols on those maps I'll just quit so I can focus on better maps and weapons@@brandona9326
100% agreed
Man i remember people finding a falcon in the files like a year and a half ago, it sucks they never added it
They probably will once they need it to pad out an update. So you can expect an update with $340 worth of "premium cosmetics" along with a janky unfinished Falcon being added and maybe a few Forged maps.
Certain Affinity is making the next halo multiplayer
Idk why these rumors keep coming up. CA has always worked with Bungie, and then 343 Industries, on Halo's multiplayer. This isn't news.
However, there also isn't any new Halo multiplayer entry being developed as of current. The recent project that CA has been working on is still viewed as Tatanka.
The only difference was the "modders", who were Pilots (beta testers for new patches for Halo Infinite), were removed from their access in early 2023 with layoffs.
As for CA, they also announced their recent Unreal Engine 5 project not too long after this comment, which is their co-designed entry and why they were UE Certified.
Halo Infinite's multiplayer is here to stay, being updated and extensively changed each year, for at least 5 more years, if not more. Maybe this time, it'll focus on the major aspects of the core of the multiplayer, rather than only Social playlists (of which a low unique amount of people actually played more than the required 25 games, if they even got past the required 25).
As I know more about this project now after discussing with people on this project, this is a single player Experience driven game, which will be multiplatform (assuming they can get it on these other specified platforms) and will feature a protagonist familiar in the ODST/Reach stories, rather than Chief. The game will follow closer to the TV Series instead, which would specifically be related to getting people "into" the franchise.
As far as the type of game it is, I said it here; Experience game, like a Life is Strange, or an RPG-Based game, if you will.
Originally I was hinted at Halo wars, which there may still be one in the works, however this seems to be the case.
Halo Infinite is the current multiplayer game projected until at least 2030, with major updates coming later this year to change almost all of the games positioning in the FPS market.
Halo Infinite launched as a "community social game" and failed to not just deliver upon launch with this, but failed to capture audiences even when doing this. Most of it's audience had always been geared toward "Ranked Arena", with classic and even Halo 5 providing clear analytical data that states Halo's major captured audience was always it's lightly competitive audience, rather than those that have a "great disdain" for competition.
We still don't even have Assault...
Yes, we do. It's in custom games, they simply didn't add it to matchmaking because assault is "too competitive" for social playlists.
If you're wondering why they didn't add it to ranked --
That was becasue they wanted to add the "new and changed" Extraction to bring a less competitive, RNG metric to Ranked Matchmaking and HCS.
Both of which were never actually Halo, but they were "Halo" to the Halo Community.
assault "too competitive" for social? Every social playlist, except for maybe fiesta and similar playlists, are just ranked without the rank. Every team slayer game feels like esports and is extremely stressful if you're actually playing to win. If 343 actually said that about assault they're blowing smoke @@anonymous7564
Or invasion, 12v12 elites vs spartans was really fun
@@dividesandconquer990 Halo 1, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo 4 and Halo 5 didn't have invasion. That's not really anything more than a "wishlist" of a failure of a game type that only become touched in 2020's MCC on PC Release. Firefight was much of the same -- which is why Firefight, just like Infection, stands at the bottom most played locations in Halo Infinite.
@anonymous7564 You are high and your opinion is worthless if you think infection and firelight are failure or the least played gamemode. It takes me 20 seconds to find an infection game in Oceania... in fact it takes longer for me to find btb than infection. Also why is reach invasion a failed gamemode? Because it was in one game? Does that mean everyone hates rocket race or halo 5 warfare? This is you " ThE ElEpHaNt iS In OnE GaME, ThErEfOrE ItS bAd"
Came back to Infinite after launch and after not playing Halo multi in 15 years and I gotta say Im loving it. The game is perfect for a casual like me my favorite mode is squad battle
So basically make your expectations so low that you’re like, “oh it has more than 3 game modes and broken game code, sick best Halo!!”
Mine is Firefight.
@@theantianimeassociation7574the gameplay is genuinely halos best. Wish they could’ve had a better story but multiplayer as it stands right now is fun to me
You would've hated the sh*t out of it if you played it during S2. You would've been so miserable, you'll close it and go outside before uninstalling it and playing something else.
@theantianimeassociation7574 Go play the game, come back, and say that again. It's gameplay is really damn fun, and it's got alot of cool maps and modes.
I love the Firefight mode, it is the reason I hopped into the game (and purchased the campaign).
Same
I really want them to add gruntpocalypse to firefight for the yappening event when it comes out.
Congrats on the colors, I’m still waiting for orange with white secondary
i just started playing again after not playing for 2 years and it’s honestly great, muchhh more content than when i stopped playing
Halo infinite still is ny most hated halo to date, it took them 2 and a half years to add content that halo 5 added in 3/4 months,
At this point, I'd rather just play halo reach, 4, or 5 for multi-player
I had no reason to ever return besides my girlfriend wanting me to try it out again
You mean halo 5
All the polls show halo 5 is the most hated
Saddens and sickens me that this game could have been immaculate but greed, poor management, and incompetence completely ruined it…
You can purchase all old armor from the store still by clicking on the item only old event cosmetics are locked
You sound like someone who really want Infinite to be a solid game ,even tho you mention all the drawbacks .
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"The goal of Halo 2’s level system is first and foremost to help you find the most enjoyable games possible. Games that are neck and neck, where the only sure way to win is by playing above your abilities, be it through better planning, more focus, improved team communication, whatever. But it’s fun to not be so serious all the time. That’s what custom games are for, or the Training Grounds playlist if you don’t have enough Friends online to form a custom game. But we believe that games that challenge you to rise above your current abilities are the most enjoyable and the most rewarding."
- Bungie 2004 - 2010.
Infinite has always had the potential of being a good Halo game.
The problem is that 343 lacks the foundational push to remove every ounce of "not halo" from matchmaking, mostly due to a community of folks who hate Halo's competitive matchmaking history.
Needless to say, Social Composure hopefully will come soon, which will push there to be only one "social" playlist, and then provide ample capability of numerous ranked playlists to be permanent and staples, around the time for Halo 2's 20 year anniversary.
You know, the games (Halo 2 and Halo 3) that not just jump started Ranked Matchmaking, but were the most populated multiplayer entries in the series for their time.
@@anonymous7564 Halo 2,3 were full of bugs (bxr), spawn killing, betrayals for power weapons, many useless guns and choke points.
Modern warfare /Black ops killed Halo as a franshice, not 343
@anonymous7564 I don’t think there’s any denying that customs and community created games are an important part in the longevity of a Halo game. Ranked is important too, but a balance needs to be found. Customs have become a big part of Halo’s identity especially since Reach. There’s no denying that.
@@_Majestic_Gaming I'm telling you, this guy is unhinged. Ranked Competitive is all that matters to him. If you aren't sweating in Ranked anytime you're playing Halo, then you're not a "true Halo fan" according to Anonymous. I'm telling you this in hopes that you don't get caught in a 30k word text argument with him; because I WAS. It's an absolute waste of time and he's too deep in his competitive-only dogma. (I did find out though he doesn't know any of the classic custom games like Garbage Man, HALO, Fatkid, Sky Castle, Duck Hunt, etc. He doesn't know any of them.)
Thanks for the heads up haha. I’ve seen his comments the past few weeks and his mindset is insane.
Man, firefight gets boring so fast. No real evolution to the formula at all. They could've add: base building, currency, upgrade/weapon shop, recruiting marines. There is no sense of progression, just move to the next spot and kill banish. Other games have prove that PVE is way better when you have those other elements I mentioned. Gears of war horde mode and COD Zombies are 10 times better.
That halo 4 splatter green visor was the funniest grind i had in halo and i love that you mentioned it, but i hate how 343 took that away from us
You know its bad when Halo is my favorite franchise of all time and id rather play Fortnite than Halo Infinite. Genuinely fortnite is more fun than that hot garbage that is Halo Infinite.
Would love to send a PSA to all developer companies and that’s to not ship a game half finished. Especially when you have 6 years of development time between games like 343 did. I know management was to blame… Empty/Broken promises of content that would be in the final product hurt their pockets and fractured the community.
The ironic part is that no game developer has this issue.
Not that they release games fully finished -- but because they don't cater to an audience of non-competitive youtubers who goal post shift what qualifies as fun depending upon how successful they are at the video game in question.
Valorant, CS2, APEX, Fortnite -- four examples of entries literally not even remotely completed at it's launch. I could also add in The Finals & yes, even Warzone.
The issue has nothing to do with the completion, or inclusion of content post launch, of the game.
It has to do with the audience the content is for. If all of the content is geared toward a "single player centric" audience, absolutely no one will play it as it provides zero content to the vast majority of people trying to play the competitive (player verses player) multiplayer component.
Halo Infinite's biggest problems was focusing on the "Halo Community" and trying to appease them before the consumers.
The consumers wanted more Ranked playlists, something that was a staple in Halo, not firefight or forgeable ai.
The consumers wanted less information on the map, not "more aim assist".
The consumers wanted a more difficult to use weapon, not "more aim assist on autos".
The consumers wanted more weapon skins and basic master chief look, not "lore armor".
The consumers wanted progression based on your skill (like Halo 2 and Halo 3), not "overall exp progression copying halo reach".
The consumers barely got a game.
The Halo Community got almost a bible written for them, for them to claim "the issue is that it's too late" while entirely disregarding that no one, besides their small little niche, asked for this.
The only true learning point for any developer through Halo Infinite is: "This is why you don't listen to your most die-hard non-competitive fanbase for a competitive multiplayer fps".
Because, at the end of the day, they only want to feel like they're God's at a video game, and if someone is better than them, then the game is instantly "too sweaty", and making numerous areas for safe spaces for them, tailoring every weapon to make easier weapons kill faster, and making every aspect unbalanced to provide a level of 'unbalance' to an otherwise game built on equality among starts; Is why the game failed.
Halo 1, Halo 2 and Halo 3 were the most competitive variations of Halo.
How do we know this?
Look at what the community always says. "The sandbox is imbalanced", but why? Oh, they claim it's because the precision rifle that you start with kills far too fast.
Imagine for a moment the implication.
The "imbalance" is because the weapon you start with, that requires accuracy to get perfect shots, kills faster than the weapons without it. Almost like the entire principle of the game was for you to learn how to improve.
I'll leave a simple quote from Bungie, dating back in 2004.
"The goal of Halo 2’s level system is first and foremost to help you find the most enjoyable games possible. Games that are neck and neck, where the only sure way to win is by playing above your abilities, be it through better planning, more focus, improved team communication, whatever. But it’s fun to not be so serious all the time. That’s what custom games are for, or the Training Grounds playlist if you don’t have enough Friends online to form a custom game. But we believe that games that challenge you to rise above your current abilities are the most enjoyable and the most rewarding."
Almost like the actual problem with Halo Infinite is the entire lack of comprehension of the Halo Community to what actually defined the popularity of Halo.
it's a business strategy that works, unfortunately
@@anonymous7564 this has got to be some overly elaborate troll considering you have replied to quite a few comments on this same video with some of the dumbest and most contrarian takes i have seen today and nobody seems to care.
@@TheEscapePlan01 Want to know the real elaborate troll? Thinking that the failure of a game is pinpointed by the incapability's of an individual developing the game, rather than the consumers liking of the product in question.
For example: Helldivers 2 is successful because it's not an already established, and popular, IP trying it's hand at a PvE cooperative shooter genre.
Halo had been established, in it's multiplayer all the way back since 2001, as competitive. We can "play devil's advocate" and lump single cases in with the majority and claim "no, no, it was a party game" -- but was it? How many people, in 2005, played Halo 2 to only play Tower of Power of Gangsta's Paradise? How many 18+ adults played only these attributes, or Cops & Robbers, and not "Matchmaking" (Which was only ranked and underneath skill based matchmaking, because it was competitive lol).
The only contrarian takes are the ones that point the failure of a perfectly working game on the developer, instead of the consumers who influenced the developer to push that direction.
To me, telling people that "Halo will bring back millions to the game if it has forge, a custom games browser, infection and firefight" is contrarian.
Telling people that Halo's only allure from it's dawn on Xbox Live (2004-2010) was it's unique level progression solution (1-50), in which was the only entry of the time to feature both Skill Based Matchmaking & Skill Based Progression.
@@TheEscapePlan01 He's a madman that froths at the mouth about earning meaningless virtual rank. He has manufactured this totally wrong competitive-only dogma and he doesn't consider 95% of the people who play Halo for fun to be "real Halo fans". He insists all classic Halo fans were only sweating in Ranked Matchmaking 24/7. Anonymous is the craziest little guy we will ever meet and he loves writing 8+ paragraph episodes of text diahhera.
🤓 technically they added the forklift as a “new” vehicle
Oh yeah 😞 I take it all back!
Don’t forget the sandwiches
I think the funniest part is that Halo 1 - 3 only added a singular to two (3 total, 2 in Halo 3, 1 and in Halo 2) new vehicles between the two entries; And with the most vehicle heavy entry being Halo 4, I view the "mentioning vehicles being added" as a staple of "I'm repeating what I'm told online". Both of these entries, Halo 2 and Halo 3, didnt' even carry over the new vehicle per title. Meanwhile, Halo Infinite not having "as many vehicles as Halo 4 or Halo 5" is equally as stupid as not realizing how little people cared about the inclusion or addition of them -- it's a talking point. If they added 3 new vehicles, and it changed zero individuals playing BTB, would it have really mattered?
No lol. Much like it wouldn't have mattered if they added 30 social playlists or dedicated half the game to "party". No one played Halo for these attributes, not in the past or present -- in the presents it's even worse, as most who play any FPS do so strictly to play ranked.
Remember that one time in 2001 - 2010 where Bungie added a new vehicle 2 years after the game launched? Yeah, good times. (they never did, and there was barely any social playlists. Halo 2 and Halo 3 focused on it's ranked playlists, not social).
Even Clan Matches had an in-game tournament system, bonus points to the older folks, like myself, who actually remember this.
@@anonymous7564 Just off the top of my head Halo 2 added the Spectre and the Gauss Hog (which is now a mainstay), and Halo 3 added the Elephant, the Hornet, the Chopper (which returns in Infinite), the AA turret, and the AA Wraith. Also it's odd that you don't include how Reach added the Falcon, the Revenant, and the Broadsword. Please stop licking 343's boot so hard, it cannot be good for your tongue.
Also Bungie HAS added vehicles post-launch, such as the transport Hornet on Halo 3's Sandbox map.
Sorry that you never cared about Halo's vehicles, but for a lot of us they were another unique gameplay element that helped set Halo apart from other shooters like CoD.
@@cameronberhow8596 Let's iterate:
- Spectre was on one map, which basically was the same concept as the Warthog.
- Gauss hog is the same vehicle (warthog) with a different turret.
- Elephant was not a vehicle. It was a dynamic map element.
- Hornet was only on one map.
- Chopper was a new addition, but nothing ground breaking.
These aren't "new vehicles". These are reskinned concepts of the same thing. This is what 343 has done in Halo Infinite, of which you're complaining about.
The only Halo game with legitimate new vehicles is Halo 4.
"Please stop licking 343's boot so hard, it cannot be good for your tongue."
I'm not licking any boots, you dumb f***. I'm insinuating that you're blinded by your childhood nostalgia and have no idea what you're talking about. Halo never "introduced new vehicles", nor were they ever front and center. Halo is not Forza. Halo is Halo. The intention of vehicles originally was to provide an optional route to quickly bring players from one location to another with objective.
What you want is additional new bad-player friendly vehicles, which is not (even remotely) what Bungie ever added.
"Also Bungie HAS added vehicles post-launch, such as the transport Hornet on Halo 3's Sandbox map."
By extension, each iteration of the current vehicles added into Halo Infinite is a "new vehicle".
"Sorry that you never cared about Halo's vehicles, but for a lot of us they were another unique gameplay element"
Almost 99% of players never cared that deeply about them. You requesting new ways to utilize ease of access shooting doesn't dictate it was ever part of Bungie's design philosophy. You have no idea what you're talking about.
You want Halo 4. Not Halo 1 - 3. You're the one "licking the boots of 343" if you believe that Vehicles are what separated Halo from CoD, rather than it's actual matchmaking (You know, sbmm -- the thing Halo invented for FPS via 1-50).
But go off, child. Let the one who was 18+ when Halo launched in 2001 actually remind you what Halo was.
My issue with Firefight is that some maps are not optimized for the mode. Some are just recycled MP maps and the lack of things like ammo resupply boxes hurt the mode, in those maps.
Spirit of fire should have had the flamethrower
Omg. I so want the Flamethrower back the most!
But there’s plenty of others I want. H3 Missile Pod, H2 Bruteshot, Sticky det, CE Plasma Rifle, H5 Hydra, dual Spiker, dual SMGs, Plasma Launcher, H5 Silenced Magnum (with its Auto 9 looking design). There’s so much 343 could bring back to freshen up the sandbox.
If my memory serves me right, the “green visor” (Harvest Turquoise) wasn’t a store item. It was a reward from an “ultimate weekly challenge”, hence why game says it’s unavailable. It was one of my favorite videos from Halo 4 and I don’t have it in Infinite either.😢
See to me, Halo Infinite looks very odd (besides armour) it's almost like it's been made with a forge tool if that makes sense.
Like you know how in say Reach maps you knew you were playing on a map that's been made in forge it's kinda like that.
Then the lighting as well I don't know it all just feels off besides the armour. (Until it's in a well lit area)
Also, I'm not a fan of how it's all very balanced around a competitive experience.
Errrr.. all no answers from me.
Any update on the janus key? is there something im missing out on
too bad that plot line got left in 2013
Bro, if you wanna hear about an ancient technology, specifically called the Janus key, you'd probably get further trying out warframe 💀
@@realspartan5206 why the 2 verses are not together
Halo infinite transactions
I mean, the only problems i see is 1. You cant disable crossplay, i disabled crossplay in the xbox settings and yet i still get matched vs 3 pc players, super fair and not at all busted. 2. De sync, pretty terrible at times. Even on 20 ping. 3. Cant earn armour. I find that pretty lame that if you play everyday for weeks you earn nothing.
Dear lord they still haven’t fixed the desync?
@@uBpGK They actually just fixed it this past week. The game engine now is actually more stable than almost every Unreal Engine 5 game (ironic).
What is truly missing is matchmaking, almost all of the matchmaking is geared toward "social" Halo community members -- AR Starts, extended long distance radar, extended long distance maps to play hide and seek, loads of vehicle centric playlists, and loads of party centric playlists.
Only one ranked playlist, with one half-arsed Ranked Slayer playlist with, again, horrible forge maps created by "the community" added into it.
I lay this quote from Bungie out so people remember, 20 years ago, Bungie pioneered Skill Rank into their games (10 years before every other game) and this was, in Halo 2 and Halo 3, over 85% of the offered playlists (ranked playlists) with nearly identical competitive settings, minus radar being disabled and game battles changes for mlg in 2008 (because Halo 3 launched Game Battles).
"The goal of Halo 2’s level system is first and foremost to help you find the most enjoyable games possible. Games that are neck and neck, where the only sure way to win is by playing above your abilities, be it through better planning, more focus, improved team communication, whatever. But it’s fun to not be so serious all the time. That’s what custom games are for, or the Training Grounds playlist if you don’t have enough Friends online to form a custom game. But we believe that games that challenge you to rise above your current abilities are the most enjoyable and the most rewarding."
- Bungie 2004 - 2010.
Agree. Controller players should not be matched with MnK with the busted AA they get
@@nairbgolden2008 not really, just the PC and console pool should be different. Mouse and keyboard is pretty mid but PC 240hz with controller, it makes bums suddenly hit perfects.
The totally ironic part of the agreeable points is that the concerns here are "competitive" concerns.
IE: "Controller has such an insane advantage especially with 240hz"
In a world where you don't care if you win or lose, or you think every game isn't important (at all) and nothing matters at all when you play it, and the game itself isn't even important, your take away is "crossplay, ping, unfair".
All of these concerns are because Halo Infinite removed the remaining bits of competitive integrity post it's launch all due to a community of folks who say "Halo is not a competitive game".
All of those people don't understand that the level of competition is dictated by the stakes on the line, not how the game is being played. If it's player verses player, where skill and teamwork dictates who will win, it's a competitive game.
Halo had traditionally (classic) been a low stakes competitive game, with higher stakes gearing toward tournament play, and no-stakes only being a niche (4-6 Social queues in Halo 3, 3-4 in Halo 2; opposed to 12-15 ranked queues).
The point I'm making: Next time someone says "Halo is not competitive", remember they're the reason why there isn't separate queues for Keyboard & Mouse and Controller, or why KBM has assistance applied now, or why assist buffs keep happening to weapons, rather than nerfs that should have appropriately took place...or network stability, etc.
they added ONE gun
Don't worry, Halo isn't a competitive game. They added 4,000 armors and 10,000 armor coatings all lore centric so you can get your casual fun on.
(I'm being facetious to make a point, claiming Halo is "non competitive" while being a multiplayer centric entry where you play verses other players is entirely stupid and fails to grasp why Halo's multiplayer was always significantly more popular than it's story. In addition, being that most of it's playlists were "ranked", it's primary function of multiplayer was always low-stakes competition, or competing for a skill rank, verses no-stakes competition, or playing for no rank, known as social. Seeing as how there was over 14 ranked playlists in Halo 2, 4 unranked, and 12 ranked playlists in Halo 3, 6 total unranked, we clearly see the problem with this perception).
Needless to say, if Halo was suppose to be a "social" or "casual" game, adding weapons wouldn't have been important since the intention behind playing Halo Infinite wouldn't be to "use the weapons", but to casually socialize, have non-competitive fun, and play wonky custom games.
Hopefully I made that joke clear, and hopefully this crosses the creators mind and says "You know, that's a good point, if Halo isn't suppose to be competitive then why do people keep asking for competitive function in a non-competitive game."
And hopefully, at that point, they'll say "Maybe it's that the people who suck at video games want to not be reminded that they suck at video games and can't improve, while the majority of players don't have this issue, which is why they want ranked playlists and why they feel unranked/social is boring and why the games population always suffers."
(The irony here is Halo 5 had over 300,000 after it's 2nd year, and over half of that population was playing ranked playlists, with the "casual community", coined by themselves, being upset that Social BTB and Social playlists didn't get unique new maps but had forge maps instead. Almost like the entire issue is that "343 needs to focus only on me" is strictly the reason why Halo Infinite is failing, as all they did was focus almost entirely on the "Halo Community" defined by a specific niche, rather than the players as a whole).
@@anonymous7564 They call you an elaborate troll. You type these 9+ paragraph comments with the most nonsense contrarian opinions and nobody seems to even care. I am physically laughing at this.
Good video, but cant agree with good gameplay. This is the same game which has still no real player collision, useless sprint, and imo the worst and most floaty feeling movement. Worse sound (Grav hammer, plasma Pistol) and destruction effecs as well as worse physics than Halo 3 , Bad Sprint, (delete it) and bad climbing, just for the sake of having it. The pistol as starter weapon is still to strong and better then 70 % of weapon you can pick up. Bad netcode, bad optimisation. Inconsistent gameplay ( mangler in comp and social), the worst competitive system and social system (MMR) and so on.
Campaign site: empty open world, cliffhanger ending, no worthwile earnables.
I agree with many of the issues you listed.
"Bad netcode, bad optimisation. Inconsistent gameplay" Not what I experienced though.
@@DutchGuyMikeYou are insanely lucky then, everyone using oceania servers would also disagree.
I quit about 4 months+ after launch with playing ranked. I installed it back a couple days ago and the game surely feels great with all the new multiplayer modes. Sadly ranked mode is dead for me, it takes forever to find a match. It seems more casual/arcade fun but people just go for the MCC collection for that. Game feels great but it’s so dead now which sucks
You can still buy that green visor just click on it and you will see the option to purchase with its bundle saddly
TLDR: pretty mid
ahh I can agree that the games slowly getting better and better, but only by comparison from where it started at. Compared to the rest of the series, Halo Infinite still remains very stale :/ every now and then I reinstall the game because my interest peaked again. Sadly, I can't justify having it on my pc for too long.
- Game size doesn't quite justify the content
- Multiplayer matches are too quick
- Campaign is very awkward, including mob AI
- Nothing satisfying to grind, even in ranked mode
- Forge saved this game
I had to wait 2 years for the most recent Christmas battle pass to get a red and white coating I was remotely happy with that wasn't behind a price tag
Halo is SUPPOSED TO BE PERFECT. Halo infinite is not even close.
The state is better and is much more enjoyable. What baffles me is all this improvements should have came out day 1. Even that there’s still things lacking and missing details that made halo stand out from the rest.
I am convinced that 343 was to afraid of earnings that they over tuned the micro-transactions. They also announced the game too early and believed in release now fix later strategy that cost them their player base trust if there was any.
There were many things done right but as much or more done wrong:
1)The art style is as good or better as halo ever looked personally
2)Audio design is amazing, and halo infinites music is so memorable and identity.
3) the campaign story is finally not dog shit
What’s missing that stood out to me:
1) There is no lobby in multiplayer after a match
2) horrible customisation and micro-transactions
3)no playable elites
4)no split screen
5)horrible progression system
6)horrible battle pass challenges
7)lack of game modes
And much more, some of this were finally added after sometime. But what I’m implying is why were they missing on day 1. They have so many games before for reference to learn and improved on.
I’m passionate for halo and I’m glad I played it when it was in its glory days.
the way you put it near the end is so true.
It's a halo game anyone with the space can download and play with friends, but that's basically it. it needs to be more competent, and content complete.
What exactly? It's gotten alot of new maps and modes....what else do you need to make it "contact complete"
@@jasperfox6821For starters, it lacks reasoning to spent time playing the game.
For example, you can jump onto Fortnite, Apex, Counterstrike, Valorant -- and all have a set defined reason why you play, and that's to improve and win. Halo Infinite's focus is to appease a community of folks who never wanted to play an FPS but wanted to in-game cosplay in the lore and play community driven maps in playlist with no stakes outcomes.
Classic Halo, as in Halo 2 and Halo 3, almost every playlist you played had a low stake on the line -- your rank. This defined the purpose of why you played what you did, and what provided you incentive to return. The lack thereof this, and entirely continued pressure to "make the game easier and more digestible for the bad players" (to the point of adding timers to every weapon, hitmarkers on every grenade, radar that's expansive in 2024, an announcer that tells you when power items come up, and even physical countdown timers for power items that tell you where they're located and what time they'll be up; Halo Infinite itself is a shell of what "could have been" the best Halo game, if it wasn't held back by a community of people who were so piss poor at the original games that they required handicaps to feel better playing it for zero stakes.
I'd argue the moment 343 stops focusing on trying to make Halo Infinite "more digestible for the lore nerd to play multiplayer", and the more ranked offerings are added, the more players will start to play the game again.
The less impactful weapons like the AR would be at a range, the more likely players are to learn how to accurately shoot their weapons and want to learn how to pace their gameplay to win.
To stop the brainlet that says something like "you just want everything to be an esport" -- it doesn't require money on the line in order to feel a sense of fulfillment and an accomplishment of winning. That's why multiple FPS games that are highly competitive are casually played by tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of players constantly, and Halo Infinite, much like Reach & 4, tailor to a small community "niche" with only a subset of the focus going toward the majority of players.
Am I the only one that thinks halo infinite multiplayer is genuinely good? I came back after launch and man I’m having fun
Nope, you're not the only one, infinites multiplayer is a blast to me ^~^
It's not that it's not good, because it's actually one of the best that 343 has pumped out. The continuous issues that everyone ignores is the lack thereof focus on areas that use to be staples of Halo, but seemlingly were viewed (by 'the community') as "totally not staples but niches".
Like Ranked Playlists; Once the most populated locations of Halo 2 and Halo 3 for their entire lifespan, "Ranked playlists" were the majority of playlists in the original entries- - and Halo Infinite is entirely missing them.
Weapon balancing and projectile velocity -- Halo Infinite has far too many powerful easy-to-use weapons with balance permitting weapons, like the AR, to have minimal spread and drop off, such that spraying it from a distance can just instantly reward kills.
Lack of developer maps; Because the "community" claimed in 2022 that they only 'want' forge maps, 343 simply delayed releasing their developer centric maps and never adjusted appropriately coined developer maps in order to appease the very same community that claims Halo never had ranked playlists (lol).
And that's just the tip of the iceberg if I'm being honest.
Every map weapon is put on a rack, which has a physical countdown timer on it.
All weapon weapons have countdown timers physical timers, and an announcer (your ai) that tells you when it's coming up.
Outlines make it physically easier to see opponents, thus making everyone almost near visible at every turn and even through poor geometry via forge maps.
Keyboard and Mouse has assistance that's greater than every other FPS game that exist (lol).
It's not that Halo Infinite isn't genuinely a good game, or that it doesn't have potential. It's that the game hasn't had the ability to be at the potential to attract and retain players, since the only vocality Halo Infinite ever has continuously is the person who thinks it's "bad" if they lose to someone who is better than them at a video game, and it's "bad" to tell people how good they are at a game, and it's "bad" that people have fun improving at the game, and that it's "bad" that people view a skill level as a sense of progression.
Instead, those particular individuals who claim "it's bad" want a game where they're only playing it to "pass time by", and never want to feel like their 10,000 hours inside of the game netted to zero skill achieved, as it'll have to provide them with the distinct reality that they "wasted their time", which they don't want to be told that. Despite Halo 2 and Halo 3 having no care about how much time you put in the game, and it was all about the capability of you as a player to learn, grow and improve -- not "because you have this great hate for competitive games."
They should copy paste 1-1 halo reach customization. There have been so much new armour pieces added since then. But the reach has so much customization. If they copied it 1-1 they could add a store with all the other options that aren’t in the reach customization system. You now have a great customization system but have the ability to add so many skins in the store and make money still
But overall halo infinite, the campaign and multiplayer as it is now, gives me hope for the future
Only new features in forge content is insane.
But 343 been trash so, hopefully this is their 2nd to last game
Honestly Halo Infinite right now is at its peak, they’re already moving on. The games horrid launch and development doomed this game so much they’re abandoning it for a new game, here’s for another Halo launch so we can have the first good one in 15 years.
Hate that it took so long, but I play the game regularly and really enjoy it. Been a halo fan since Halo CE. I’ve been playing consistently since season 4 and in terms of customization, I have no complaints now. I think there are enough coatings and color combos to make my Spartan look however I want. It’s definitely the best customization system in Halo. The cores combined with cross core capabilities make it ideal for me. Even back in reach and halo 3, we didn’t have anywhere close to the amount of customization we have in infinite. My main complaints lie with weapon and vehicle sandboxes along with not having all classic halo maps in matchmaking. To add to that, I feel that since this game is called Halo INFINITE, it really should’ve had everything from previous Halo games… imagine if we had warzone, breakout, etc…. Could’ve been even better than what it is.
I love firefight
The only positive of the current customization is the argument of eventuality. Eventuality all ftp players will have a great armor hall without having to spend money in the game. It just blows you’re gonna be waiting a long time for it and if you miss them, THEN you have to pay 5$ per pass. $10 for the seasons, but at least you can earn credits in the seasons so technically $10 for all 5 season and 2 operations. It’s better value than the store but man it does still suck
The current halo community reminds me of the Star Wars community back before episode 3 dropped lost but not willing to give up
And Episode 3 was the one of the best star wars movies
I haven’t played infinite for months.
I just occasional install to see the changes and uninstall the same day.
It’s hard to explain but it’s just a different vibe and feel from MCC MP.
I still think the access to bots while even offline for infinite is still worthy of a praise since my IP sucks and occasionally shuts down the internet for whatever reason.
Halo infinite is fun but lacking in sandbox and vehicle area. Also game modes we need more and pregame post game lobbies veto system. Next halo game needs everything infinite has and a whole lot more.
I mainly moved on to Helldivers now. I come back every once in awhile, mainly when there's a new update. But besides that got burnt out, was one of the few that stuck with the game the whole way. Up until Season's were done. Now I'm waiting on whatever new game they do
This game was a big disappointment. I thought for sure this game was going to be Halo big win. Guess next game
343 killed my love for halo. Studios need to work on other types of halo games
The split screen lie was to force people to go online
We Def need Standard Halo Infinite Fire Fight, KOTH is cool, but I don't like it
"for the remainder of the game" wasn't Infinite supposed to be like the "last game" sort of thing? Least for Multiplayer wise? I thought 343 were making this game last forever, hence the name "Infinite" and would just release new single players? Or am I totally remembering it wrong?
I believe that was the plan under the last creative director, Chris Lee, before Joe Staten came back. I think the “Halo Infinite being supported for 10 years” plan is no longer what’s happening.
@@_Majestic_Gaming Ah ok, fair. After the launch it would make sense they would have considered changing plans instead of doubling down, either way I just hope they can release a good complete product.
Still is. Contrary to the Halo Community pushing a gamble on clicks (no offense to Majestic Gaming as I'm sure they didn't catch on), there is a new Halo entry in development, but it's non-multiplayer and non-mainline. It'll be multi-platform and specifically be tailored to get people over to the Xbox brand and specifically to play the mainline Halo entries.
Coined directly from 343 Industries, it's an Experience game, which from who I was talking to recently, is exactly as described:
"What the players experience as a consequence of interacting with a game. These experiences are generally studied in light of metrics such as flow, immersion, competence, challenge, tension, and negative/positive affect."
Ever wonder what Halo would look like as an Action RPG, where you 'choose' and interact? Worry no more, as by 2026 it'll be, for a small fee, available on all platforms since it doesn't follow Master Chief, in fact, it should (in theory) happily bring back memories of Halo Reach and ODST (Ironically it'll be end up biting 343 in the arse because the 'community' never cared about these things, they're contrarian). Yes, this game has no multiplayer. And yes, this is a marketing pitch game. There's no guarantee of the platforms it will be on, but they're shooting for all platforms.
I’m still not happy how they went with the story, like throwing out the baby with the bath water in exchange for overnostolgia
Listening in here has made me so disinterested in playing Infinite. From the outside looking in it feels like ppl are waiting still waiting for the game to release.
Forge, custom games, and specific color combinations should not be something we had to wait for.
Why can't we have Elites vs Spartans.. It's way cooler then Spartan vs Spartan and makes more sense.
We all know that the only girl for master chief is cortona
I hopped on Infinite when they added Rimjobs
Sad, this game really had the potential. There were over 250k players on PC alone the first week and now even with alll the updates they cant crack 10k on a good week PC wise. Imsure console gets atleast 20 to 30k being a F2P game. Only solice is this new game will be done by new people, people who carried MCC after its failure and brought it to PC.
I think this next game, is truly the last chance...
the fact they even announced they were gonna start focusing on a new game is delusional. Desync is still a problem, they spent like three years just making the game playable. That's three years they could have been working on giving us permanent ranked playlists like team slayer, doubles, snipers, skirmish; creating actual firefight maps instead of just forging grunts onto boring multiplayer maps (these issues shouldn't even take that long to fix and create).
They could have actually been delivering a memorable experience and giving us something worth our time. Now that the game is just okay enough to play, but stressful because the social experience is gone and you can literally feel the algorithm and when a game is rigged, they announce they're gonna work on something else. That's just unacceptable. 343 was given a piece of gold in halo and they can literally never make a halo that doesn't sell. They'll always be here, making mediocre and terrible Halo experiences, because Halo will always sell. Imagine how much more money would be generated, and how much more fun we could be having, if 343 was kicked to the curb forever and an actual competent studio worked on the game. 343, Microsoft, whoever, killed it. It's so sad how this predatory moneygrabbing behavior has infested video games. And they freaking had chief take off his helmet and the actor said something along the lines of "you can't emotionally connect with a character if you don't see their face." I've been playing halo for 20 years and never saw chief's face. The fact I live in a reality where Halo is messed up in the most avoidable and braindead ways absolutely ****** me off lol
Yeah, sorry for the vent
@genjidora8742 no man I totally get it I was beyond hyped for this game and even after the other two I was willing to try again and be hyped, I've been completely checked out of halo for these last two years, that's the first time that's happened ever for me, 343 is a fucking disaster artist, everything they do crushes my soul. I give up.
The next game isn't even multiplayer lol.
@anonymous7564 I doubt that, but even if it doesn't have multiplayer the point still stands. It has to be great...
@@RyleyStorm It's going to be an Action RPG game, specifically one where you choose the dialog, choose the route/path, and choose the outcomes based on the narrative events; Something akin to Life is Strange, but within the Halo universe. That is the rumored Unreal Engine 5 game, but don't just take it from me. You'll figure that if it gets past it's design phases, I don't think it will even get approved to the platforms it wants to get onto.
The game would be just fine by me if I could enjoy it but I use mouse and keyboard like the majority of people who play FPS games and to us, 343 said fuck you.
Like a wise man said it just works
its crazy how modern day devs dont learn from how good past games were and what made them great games and continue to barf out these unifinished soulless games
I’m disappointed in 343 and really all AAA titles nowadays. Corporate greed is something else. Turns great series into junk. Lack of content still within halo infinite is still a thing. Lack of vehicles, playable species, weapons, Good btb maps, dire halo modes, etc. They hit the nail with forge. But without this missing content it’s stale.
As so as they sold color that is when I new that this game was doomed.
You guys really focus on the multiplayer. The 343 is not even trying to create a new halo spin off @ ODST@ HELLDIVERS 2 👀👀
Truthfully Halo would never succeed as something like Helldivers, as Halo's entire core gameplay and mechanics were never going to work like that (ever). You'd have to create a brand new spin-off series entirely separate from the entry to make it equal to that, and even at that point -- you'd have to hope that there's enough lore-heads to keep your game alive, seeing as how the only reason Helldivers 2 is popular is distinctly due to it's contemporary and wonky lore. And even that point, you're at the whims of assuming that people played Halo for it's lore (which will be entirely inaccurate for the modern era).
Now if Halo did this, say in 2006, this would probably have shot off like a rocket, but we're past the era where Halo's story and lore is unique, or even relatively viewed as "peak" scifi.
until the sidekick gets dumpstered so people stop crutching on that blatantly OP ass I win every CQC by spamming as fast as i can with generous bullet magnetism and aim assist. Infinite is dead to me. That shitty gun and every little bitch crutching on that thing killed the game for me.
Game is fun to play rn
sooo accurate
Fire 343 🗑️
Tbh it feels like infinite is still in beta. It's been in a state of catch up and disappointment since day one
"The goal of Halo 2’s level system is first and foremost to help you find the most enjoyable games possible. Games that are neck and neck, where the only sure way to win is by playing above your abilities, be it through better planning, more focus, improved team communication, whatever. But it’s fun to not be so serious all the time. That’s what custom games are for, or the Training Grounds playlist if you don’t have enough Friends online to form a custom game. But we believe that games that challenge you to rise above your current abilities are the most enjoyable and the most rewarding."
- Bungie 2004 - 2010.
Agreed. It does feel like this, and a large part is due to the 2+ years they spent focusing on "making armors and social playlists with forge maps for the community" rather than actually making & adding content related to Halo Infinite.
Its kind of pointless to play and level up because anything youd really want you have to buy.
Are people still hacking and cheating like crazy? Kinda sucks when the other team goes thru walls randomly blowing you up all the time
Yes, worse now with Easy Anticheat, since they took so long to respond with a solution, they didn't other confirming that the previous ones were incapable of working with it. Needless to say, 343 had been working overtime to patch these out of the game.
But don't worry, "halo is not a competitive game" or whatever the community says, so you shouldn't feel upset if someone cheats -- since it's "not competitive", you shouldn't expect competitive integrity.
(I'm being facetious as it's the only way to put the point across that there's no such thing as a "casual" Halo game, it's all competitive -- it's the stakes on the line that determine the level of competition. Halo definitively was meant for low-stakes competition, or "Ranked" gameplay, with "no stakes" being the select few unranked playlists of Halo 2 and Halo 3, and "high stakes" being tournament play, which was always a thing dating back to the 80's and 90's. "Casual" gaming is not relevant in the FPS space, and it's more of a Mandela effect than anything, but for the sake of argument -- we can assume "casual halo" is defined by a community of custom game players who shored their likings on a forum called "Halo Waypoint" and the developer assumed that they were all of the players of Halo.)
Bro increase your FOV.. your gameplay looks atrocious
Stppped playing season 1. Sounds like the game is at a point where if this was a random game on game pass that was free to play it would be regarded as a game of the year type thing. But this is halo. We know what we expect and we know what want. It’s actually insulting that this is where halo is at
Agreed. It's insulting becasue all the "community" does is pretend that their niche is the only thing that exists, 343 then focuses on them (and only them) and then blames everyone else for it being "too competitive", despite it literally telling you where every weapon is, when everything comes up, and having more aim assist than it had at launch.
I provide a singular quote from Bungie that directly says what's wrong with Halo Infinite.
"The goal of Halo 2’s level system is first and foremost to help you find the most enjoyable games possible. Games that are neck and neck, where the only sure way to win is by playing above your abilities, be it through better planning, more focus, improved team communication, whatever. But it’s fun to not be so serious all the time. That’s what custom games are for, or the Training Grounds playlist if you don’t have enough Friends online to form a custom game. But we believe that games that challenge you to rise above your current abilities are the most enjoyable and the most rewarding."
- Bungie 2004 - 2010.
(Level System was the 1-50 Ranking system, known today as "ranked" matchmaking. This was almost exclusively all Halo 2 and Halo 3 had for matchmaking. Halo was never CoD, and Halo trying to be a "social casual game" is why it's boring to the broader audience).
@@anonymous7564 Infinite in its current state would have been a phenomenal live service Halo to launch along with a fully fleshed out Halo game. I would have been thrilled to get Halo 5 again with this story. The campaign was great. The multiplayer ruined what could have been. I’m not even trying to be unreasonable and expect any new Halo game to encapsulate what the original trilogy was and I’m excited to see what these new stories bring and how 343 deviates from what Bungie did. But if this is what Halo in the 2020’s and beyond looks like then I’m afraid our favorite franchise may be doomed
@@Dude00002 Well I suppose let's reply to this one appropriately as you're not being argumentative here.
I disagree with the "if Infinite launched in its current state" (or in relation to), as the problem with Halo Infinite's launch was exactly what we have today, except an improved networking model lol.
Halo Infinite failed because there was nothing else to play besides "social", which is the problem.
Halo Infinite's launch specifically targeted older adults who played, namely, Halo 2 and Halo 3 directly -- it's entire target audience was gathered upon nostalgia mixed with the "classic Halo" vibe, with the "MLG Era" being directly in line with Halo Infinite's launch.
The problem was post launch. The focus on and after launch was on the following:
- Armor
- Store
- Battle Pass
- Unranked gameplay
- Forge and Forge leaks
- Unique Social Experiences/Custom Experience
- "Party flavor fun"
- Lore in Armor
- Armor Coatings
- A dozen, to two dozen Social playlists over a year and a half (going on 2.5 years actually), with only one ranked playlist.
The actual players wanted the following:
- Less focus on store and battle pass
- Removal of cheaters, perma ban & hardware ban of cheaters
- Network model fixes that were geared toward the competitive integrity Halo had been known for in the classic era
- Region locking to prevent overseas people from forcing server selection to hit them (Something Halo always had until this entry)
- More ranked playlists, namely permanent ones that were staples to the franchise since 2004 (Slayer, Swat, Lonewolves/FFA, Doubles, BTB, Objective, Control, etc, Classic)
- Weapon rebalancing and turning to provide a "Halo" feel, in which primary precision weapons were dominant, not pickup non-power weapons
etc.
See, a lot of the problems that people had, as in the actual audience (not the "Halo Community youtuber audience of those who hate Halo but want fps to be geared toward their niche"), was that Halo Infinite was lacking the soul of Halo's multiplayer experience, defined in Halo 2 and Halo 3. Definitively, the "creator community" blamed the Game Engine (lol) while 343 literally said "The problem is we can't have all of these social playlists with also staple ranked playlists" dozens of times, and no one listens to them. An internal solution pitched before management and leadership changes by now former developers was to remove Social queues and replace it with a singular "social" queue which you can search for all options in one (aka, the "Match Composure") and then add Ranked playlists as staple playlists.
And that's the answer to how Halo Infinite will turn ground, seeing as how it's the only mainline multiplayer entry planned until at least 2030 or later (now a known fact by those in the know), the solution for reviving Halo Infinite relies solely on bringing up classic ranked dominant gameplay back to the forefront, and pushing "social" to the niche category it was in the Bungie years of Halo.
What people misunderstand is that Halo 2 and Halo 3 only had between 4 - 6 social playlists at a given time, with 4 being the average and 6 being "When 343 Studios took over" (lol). By comparison, there was always well over 12 ranked playlists consistently there, with Halo 3 having from 10 - 12 usually, and Halo 2 having in excess of 12 to 15 ranked options.
To simplify a lot of this, Halo Infinite could come back if 343 focuses primarily on what makes Halo an FPS, rather than focusing on "How to please the youtuber who claims the edgy alt-culture thing they said to get clicks". As it's evident that even following closely what a Halo TH-camr says "will fix Halo", ends up making Halo Infinite less popular than all other counterparts (ala the 'focus of 2022 - 2023 social and party games').
Statistically, the most raged out maps in Halo Infinite are community-created Forge maps, but this had always been known as Forge maps in all of Halo had always been the most "quit dominant" maps to exist inside of the entry, Halo Infinite stands taller and says "You'll only have a 10% chance of obtaining a developer map" on social playlists, which increases that quit rate to a staggering 80%.
I digress, however, as that's off on a tangent -- Halo is where it's at now because "the community" claimed Halo was a "social party game filled with custom games and experiences that provided casual fps players a place to play". 343 triple-downed on this, and provided 18+ Social playlists, with only 1 ranked playlist.
This is absolutely a polar opposite of Halo 2, which had mostly ranked playlists (15) and less than 5 social offerings at a time, 2 of which were rotational (one of which was a paid map playlist dlc).
And you can quickly see why I wrote what I did. Halo Infinite is in a poor place, particularly, because the "community" claims that Halo is something it never was, and then 343 responded instantly with appeasing them, time and time again.
This isn't "new" to 343 Industries, they did this with Halo 4, and again with Halo 5.
Halo Infinite was a fresh ground to start new on, and start appeasing regular players (who typically lean toward Ranked playlists because, again, this is Halo), and they simply ignored everything but whatever the "Halo Community claimed was important". It took them over a year to even balance the BR for keyboard and mouse, and again over a year to even adjust the mangler, let alone just remove it from the map (which was all that was required to provide fun to the game).
Even now, they pushed the mechanic back to the original parameters -- yet disregarded that numerous "forge" maps have mangler spawns all over them intentionally because the community that "builds these maps" literally only has a disdain for "pro players" despite regular consumers being the market, not pro players (and regular consumers hated the mangler, pro players just agreed that it's overpowered).
343 Industries since recently this year at least has started to take shape and provide a direct answer to each problem that exists within Halo Infinite.
Their first tackling the netcode, which they finally did.
Next they're tackling the matchmaking and how it matches players, and how it ranks based on this.
Then they're tacklling the playlist problems that exist, which hopefully will return Halo to a predominantly Ranked setting for most players (providing a singular location to not play an FPS without a consequence, ala "no time wasted").
Etc.
Halo Infinite has a brighter future than it did it's start, but it's taken 2 years of "constant failure" by 343 to acknowledge that the "Halo Community" wanted a game niched to a certain subclass of players, not the overwhelming majority -- and although 343 Industries developers knew this, the leadership did not, and only wanted to have their names not smeared because "TH-camr took their name and claimed they required this for money" instead of acknowledging that they only listened to "community feedback", which asked for exactly what is being criticized.
When it comes to "Why Halo Infinite like this", it's as simple as someone saying "no one asked for this" and responding with the actual video, tweet, or reddit thread of people asking exactly for that a year ago.
The Halo Community if full of clickbaiters, attention cravers, or people who want to play an FPS without any merit of learning to improve, and then telling everyone else "i shouldn't need to, this is just a game lol like i should be just a pro immediately because i have thousands of games played thats how it works lol".
Until 343 fully removes that, you'll still have HaloFollower claiming the next Halo mainline multiplayer game is going to Unreal Engine (it's not, that's a multiplatform experience game that's not even multiplayer), or some guy complaining that "HCS gets so much attention" while ignoring that the overwhelming majority of players to all of Halo, who do not play Halo Infinite, only pay attention to HCS because it's been a tradition since 2006 for them.
@@anonymous7564 the most fun anyone ever had on Halo was when Bungie included those special game types into matchmaking. I wholeheartedly disagree. 3 and Reach were for online multiplayer purposes probably the most played and as the lifecycle went on you got a lot of special game types or force maps and that was where everyone had fun. The competitive landscape is what it is and the people who enjoy that will always enjoy that, but the rant of “unhappy TH-camr” is something that isn’t quite true. For me and a lot of friends I grew up with, we drifted away from halo because it felt too competitive. We have always enjoyed sitting back and playing weird game modes like Griff ball or fiesta slayer. Or downloading the community maps and playing things like the super happy fun slide or the toilet bowl. I am aware that things are different now but we are in an era of gaming where everyone wants to be sweaty and try hard because they’re think that they are going to make it big on twitch. Gaming has changed vastly since halo 3 and I understand that, I was one of the few people who truly thought halo 5 was fun. But the community continues to say “we aren’t COD” and then complains when they get things vastly different than COD
@@Dude00002 "Bungie included those special game types into matchmaking." Do you mean Action Sack? Sure, but that's not every playlist. That's one lol.
"3 and Reach were for online multiplayer purposes probably the most played and as the lifecycle "
Reach was 343 Industries post launch. Reach was the game that collapsed the player base, cc numerous creators (iCURRazY,
7thSenseTV, MoreConsole, DrexyVids, AlphaFix, Dr Mongoose, etc) who will disagree with this in their respective period of launch.
"The competitive landscape is what it is and the people who enjoy that will always enjoy that, but the rant of “unhappy TH-camr” is something that isn’t quite true."
That's almost exclusively what the Halo Community does. Moreover, players choose how they play the game in question. If they want to play it competitive, they're going to, and it doesn't change how the game was designed or what certain people get upset about.
"For me and a lot of friends I grew up with, we drifted away from halo because it felt too competitive. "
Which Halo's? Halo 2 and Halo 3 were incredibly competitive, almost no area was non-competitive unless you joined some little squeakers role play lobby (Which being over 18 at this time, was a literal FBI arrest lol).
Halo Reach was the failure point at this, with halo 4 and even Halo 5 both being predominantly non-competitive, Halo 5 only edged that out for having at least ranked playlists, bringing the whole "If Halo had ranked playlists again" debate from 2010 to reality (cc those creators above).
"We have always enjoyed sitting back and playing weird game modes like Griff ball or fiesta slayer."
So you played post 2010, is what you truly mean to say -- Which I get, but you don't get the capability of claiming that "everyone" did this. Almost no one did, Reach and 4, in particular, are the two entries that dominated the "casual Halo" market place, of which both failed miserably to capture more than a few thousand players at a time. Again, you don't need to go far to prove this -- it's on youtube (I didn't bother linking this to another person who doesn't dare receive the satisfaction -- but search by date and you'll easily see in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013 the problems with Halo Reach & Halo 4's population was due to the entire lack of competitive spaces and the direct focus on a market that was niche, much like Halo Infinites).
"Or downloading the community maps and playing things like the super happy fun slide or the toilet bowl. "
This is cool and fun at all, but nothing stopped you from doing this in Halo Infinite -- And to claim "this is what everyone wanted" is crazy. You can't depict what everyone in the globe wanted within halo by that, or else the majority of people would have played when Forge came out. Spoiler, they didn't. Forge barely saw an uptick of a few thousand players on each platform respectively, with the largest uptick being "Adding Bandit Evo to ranked arena" (No really, 60,000 players, 48,000 of them exclusively played Ranked Arena and Ranked Doubles for the better half of almost a month).
"I am aware that things are different now but we are in an era of gaming where everyone wants to be sweaty and try hard because they’re think that they are going to make it big on twitch."
This is where I both agree and disagree.
Yes, everyone is more sweaty and try hard now, but that's the product of not just society, but player-verses-player games in general. You were a child when you were playing with your friends. Halo 2 and Halo 3 were unbelievably sweaty and try hard games for their era. Not only was the "competition" player verses environment (ala CoD), but Halo's entire goal was to win. The more you win, the higher your level goes (1-50). The more your level is, the better you intrinsically are at the game, which in turn provides internal reward to that player. Not only was it revolutionary for the time, Halo pioneered "competitive" into matchmaking as early as 2004, and this was the staple playlist option for Halo 2 and Halo 3.
Fast forward to today, the reason why it's "so sweaty and try hard" is because the opposite is boring to the vast majority of players. That's why Battle Royale took off so much; You don't just "win", you win against 100 other people. You beat 100 people fighting the same goal. The intrinsic reward in being good was what was required, it has nothing to do with twitch or "being a big streamer". Hell, this entire notion is so unbelievably stupid it comes from naivety and a hefty misunderstanding of what an FPS is.
Checkout the song "MLG Pro Song (by Euee)", and you'll quickly acknowledge that was made in 2009. At what point do we start pinning the "pro gamer" phase on Halo, the game that provided Esports not just in 2006 on live TV in the US (USA Network), but had hefty prize pools for that era?
Nevermind that -- as it's not even the entire direct point.
The direct point is that people will always want to be better than another player at game that's player verses player, and Halo was no exception in the past or even now. The only real exception is 85% of Halo Infinite is catered toward a crowd that thinks "this is bad" while the other 15% fosters over 75% of the player base.
"Gaming has changed vastly since halo 3 and I understand that, I was one of the few people who truly thought halo 5 was fun."
No, gaming hasn't lol. Halo 3 was hyper competitive, even more so with Halo 2 since Halo 3 launched with Game Battles, and even featured (for the first time in any video game) a pro specific playlist, MLG in early 2008. You simply were not old enough to see that, or didn't acknowledge that.
And I get the speckle of "omg first online game on xbox 360", but Halo 2 on xbox Live was equally as sweaty as something like Ranked Arena in Halo Infinite. I'd argue more, since most of the players were at least evened out to the same skill level, where in Halo Infinite, you sort of play the same skill level, but it's not since bad players get boosted to higher levels depending on who they are playing with.
"But the community continues to say “we aren’t COD” and then complains when they get things vastly different than COD"
Yes, because the majority of everything added into Halo Infinite (and Halo in general) gravitates around a "casual" player base that doesn't exist. Halo never fostered a casual player community -- Halo always fostered a competitive one, and a hyper-competitive one (MLG).
Although I get people love revisionist history and love that person who screams "No! No it was casual!", but it just wasn't lol. You literally trash talked your teammates, trash talked the opposing team, told everyone they're trash, 1v1'd them constantly, practiced your strafe and shooting (Octagon for example), practiced leading at distances, practiced skill jumps and various methods of traversal, and practiced to "play the game".
The actual developers of Halo 2 and Halo 3 definitively also stated the point of matchmaking was to be competitive, and yet the notion that "We're casual" is why people keep floating back to the "We aren't COD" statements.
It's not because we try to clone whatever Call of Duty does -- It's distinctly because Halo was never popularized, remotely, as a "casual audience" game.
We didn't attracted people of general gaming, we attracted "hardcore" FPS players. We attracted the same people who grind for rank in apex, valorant or counterstrike.
The fact that Halo still have a Market it just show how of simpletons gamers are 😂😅😢
It’s fun, I don’t care lol
I am Indian
No you're not.
Hear me out. Halo mmo.
Although there are probably a larger group of people that want that over social-only playlists, it'll still fail to capture much of an audience.
I am already bored of this game.
I'd argue it's because there's only one ranked playlist, and there's mostly social playlists all of which provide zero intrinsic value to the player as the important factor isn't "how good you are able to do or will do over time", but simply "how will your outfit look today in game".
Current state - still an unplayable desynced trash nearly 2.5 years after launch... Content does matter, but not when a game is broken at its very core.
Halo 5 guardians had the better multiplayer tbh
if u just wanted to play classic halo why not play halo mcc
Interesting feedback that tells very much more about the disconnect between "actual players" and community audience players.
Let's elaborate.
- You discuss areas that were "staples", but neglect to acknowledge that none of the included playlist added into Halo Infinite were staples until past Halo 3. Halo 2 and Halo 3 staple playlists were ranked.
- You discuss infection being known for it's 'mini games', yet these mini games were never apart of matchmaking, at least before 2010. Requiring them to be is equally as obscure as believing the 'reason no one is playing it is because of this', when in reality -- it hasn't been popular (as in, heavily populated) since the early days of Halo 3.
- You discuss inclusions being added into the game, claiming there's a healthy amount of playlists -- but forget (or simply never knew) that Halo 2 and Halo 3 primarily only had ranked playlists, in which were never touched in Halo Infinite.
- You denote BTB in Halo Infinite as being "sweaty" while entirely disregarding that not only Halo 2 having three ranked variations of BTB, with Precision weapon starts (BR), but were denoted around the notion that winning was the only method of progression. While you believe that an unranked variation of AR-Start Automatic Slayer with minimal incentive to win is "super sweaty", it more stands to reason that the issue is your incapability of acknowledging that the "lack of appropriate skill based matchmaking" (As in, you aren't matching with people your exact skill level across the board) denotes that you're going to experience uneven matches wherein you're fighting someone who is significantly better & significantly worse than you consistently.
- You claim that Firefight has a "limited amount of maps", despite it having double the maps as Ranked Arena, of which all those maps are brand new (2023+).
- You claim squad Battles needs "more maps", despite there being nearly three times as much as Ranked Arena, and of which, newer maps (2023+).
All of which Ranked Arena has mostly the same rudimentary maps since launch due to the continuous attempt to "make halo casual" (something Halo never really was, at least defined by the community that thinks reach & 4 were the peak of Halo).
And I'm only 5 minutes in.
Quite honestly, the last problem is that you bought into the "community" attempt to push the focus away from Halo Infinite, despite 343 never saying anything the community claims 343 has stated.
For example, 343 never stated that they were "done with seasons".
They stated that the current state of Season's doesn't work with their future plans.
That they are moving away from Season's, at this time, to bring "Content Updates" while they look toward future projects (for Halo Infinite).
That they are moving away from the "Season" model, as it currently stands, to change the future direction.
To claim that they are "not having big seasonal content updates" is a stretch, as most of their content updates never came with the seasons.
The "seasons" provided new Battle Passes, or rather 'armor collections" for consumers through 100-tiers via "play game to earn armor". While the community pretends it's impossible to do, the only thing location you cannot gain armor in easily is Ranked (Which brings the secondary problem I'll get to shortly).
The statement 343 actually provided was simply that they are getting rid of "seasons" until they can push out the smaller & larger content faster. To elaborate, in order for minor or major updates to push, they had to wait until the cycle patch (season) due to the approval processes required to do so. In this method, the "CU" method, they could bring patches & updates seamlessly without requiring waiting weeks to months for useless cosmetics to be bound to it.
The additional clarity via 343 insinuates that they are no longer focusing on customization, not that they are no longer "supporting Halo Infinite".
They even stated directly that major, and large, updates are coming to Halo Infinite -- including condensing Social into one playlist (As what should have happened) to improve already extremely low player counts in numerous social playlists.
In doing that, they can rectify the largest issue of Halo Infinite:
The blatant ignoring and removal of staple Halo content: Ranked Playlists.
Halo barely had Social playlists pre 2010. If there was 14 ranked playlists, Halo 2 had at most 5 unranked options. If there was 12 ranked playlists, Halo 3 had at most 5 unranked options.
There's no reason for Halo Infinite to have 20 social playlists, 4 of them focusing on Firefight, 3 focusing on "party", 5 focusing on "casual party", and 3 more basic foundational competitive Halo but with "AR Starts" to please the few insecure people upset that they need to aim on a controller to play an FPS.
This is Halo.
The Community has gate keeped Halo from the millions of players who wanted to play it since the launch of Halo Infinite, and now since 343 is ignoring the communities requests, the community has been on this "lol new halo game" train, thinking that pushing misinformation and confusion will pressure 343 to listen to their ignorance and absolute chaos again.
The only reason Halo Infinite lost so many players was the continuous attempt to pressure 343 to remove all forms of competition from the game. If 343 were to have launched with 8 Ranked playlists, and 1 social playlist, no one would have batted an eye but the 20 Halo TH-camrs who were guaranteed to be confronted with the problem that "casual Halo" was never actually popular, and they grifted a community of younger audiences of "casual gamers" to get their ad revenue.
The funniest part is watching Certain Affinity announce their newest project, unrelated to Halo, and directly state it's the game that required them to be certified to work on Unreal Engine. Furthering the disinformation train the community keeps spreading.
Behold, text diahhera.
TL:DR This guy hates anyone who plays Halo for fun rather than to endlessly sweat in Ranked matchmaking.
@@namelessstranger1270 TLDR: sweating in Ranked Matchmaking is fun for everyone who played Halo 2 and Halo 3.
What's not fun is the removal of Ranked matchmaking and a focus on party games created in a custom game that almost no one played, and then put into matchmaking as "social".
"The goal of Halo 2’s level system is first and foremost to help you find the most enjoyable games possible. Games that are neck and neck, where the only sure way to win is by playing above your abilities, be it through better planning, more focus, improved team communication, whatever. But it’s fun to not be so serious all the time. That’s what custom games are for, or the Training Grounds playlist if you don’t have enough Friends online to form a custom game. But we believe that games that challenge you to rise above your current abilities are the most enjoyable and the most rewarding."
- Bungie 2004 - 2010.
Halo 2 pioneered, nearly invented "ranked" matchmaking for all FPS games. You never wanted Halo.
@@anonymous7564 You started your comment with an incorrect statement. There's far more to the Halo community than just Ranked players. The Ranked players only constitute a tiny tribe, one of dozens. It's been that way since H2, since H3, since tournament play ever came to Halo. It's just you got your head screwed-on backwards and clouded in your signature insane Competitive-only dogma. Your dogma tries to minimize, belittle and invalidate anyone who plays Halo for genuine fun; but I reject your dogma as being wrong, untrue and downright absurd. You're the kind of kid who thinks all the other kids ONLY want to go down the slide at recess, not realizing that most of the kids are bringing their friends to hang together on the monkey bars.
That makes you naive. The Infection Community by itself is probably 5× larger than the Ranked players ever were. People like casual fun with friends, it's legitimately that simple.
@@namelessstranger1270 "There's far more to the Halo community than just Ranked players"
Sure, the few thousand people enjoy more than just ranked playlists. How about we focus on the rest of the audience, instead of a few thousand insecure people that are upset that they aren't the best at a video game they sink their time into.
"You're the kind of kid who thinks all the other kids ONLY want to go down the slide at recess, not realizing that most of the kids are bringing their friends to hang together on the monkey bars."
Weird analogy. Let's peddle this for a moment -- My insinuation is that all FPS entries to date post Halo 2 had followed Halo 2's formula, including Halo 3, wherein the ones that "do not" end up having the worst wraps for "bad sbmm", while ones that do all focus on Ranked play over unranked offerings.
"You" want unranked, and the game failing to deliver an audience, are coincidently the same thing.
People do not have fun in an unranked environment.
It provides:
- Zero progression (intrinsic, you can't get this through net games played)
- Minimal to no balance (as physical rank being paired with physical rank shows a balance being utilized)
- No enjoyment for progressing upward via wins and determination for winning after a loss
- No punishment for losing
- No achievement for winning
People do not play games to "waste time". We're talking about adults, not children. Time is the most valuable asset a person has, especially over 18, and especially over 30. The notion that "no one wants to play ranked" is equally as stupid as not realizing the reason why we have minimal players on Halo Infinite, today, is due to the absurd focus on "social".
I can pull the data right now, as of today at 10:27am, there is a total of ~9,000 players. over 7,000 of these players primarily played Ranked Arena or Ranked Slayer collectively. By "primarily", I definitively mean "Most played", not "they didn't travel elsewhere". All of the "social" playlists combined have less than 3,000 concurrent players, as of this moment, with it being the following order (from most to least populated): Squad Battle, Halo 3 Refueled, Husky Raid, Super Fiesta, Big Team Battle, Tactical Slayer, Quick Play, Lone Wolves, Infection, Firefight King of The Hill, Big Team Social, Firefight Heroic King of The Hill
To put that into perspective; Firefight requires 4 people to start a match. There is less than 100 in one of the two playlists, and less than 50 in the other.
There is just over 600 in two of the social playlists.
And there is over 4,000 in Ranked Arena alone as of right now.
At peak hours, this is discrepancy is only worse, with additional players not being in Social, but being in Customs (Which I didn't even factor in here, as the number itself is actually incredibly low).
The problem that exists with the "Halo Community" is they all think their little niche is the most "popular thing", despite it being a niche. If Halo was ever popular as a "social" game, Halo Infinite wouldn't have such a low population. The actual physics, the actual gameplay -- the game itself for Halo Infinite is close to a classic experience as a modern Halo can get. The problems that exist here is the lack thereof location for people to play "Halo" with only one to sometimes two locations to play.
When they get bored of playing Ranked Arena, they travel to one of the 2 dozen Social playlists (lol) to experience horribly built Forge maps and rage quit offline. Almost no one quits out of Ranked matches (factor under 20%), but over 80% of Social matches has quitters. The notion of "quitting" defines clearly that the player isn't happy with the game, the match, or concept or has the determination, time, or energy to complete the match to it's conclusion.
That defines that over 80% continuously each day dislike the match being placed, while less than 20% dislike Ranked matches -- and I'd argue that 20% has at least half of which who had the game crash on them, rather than quit.
But keep pretending that "Halo is only popular as _____", while disallowing the actual notion that "Halo had mostly ranked playlists, but only a few unranked offerings which were never a focus" from 2004 - 2010. Halo Reach, and definitively Halo 4, are the two titles to introduce "social" and "casual" into Halo, which are the two least populated titles of their respective multiplayer era.
@@anonymous7564 Your reality is demented, chum. We've had this argument before and I already know your illogical points. Your fundamental overview of Halo gameplay both legacy and modern is based *on an absurd obsession* with meaningless virtual rank. Going further, you've manufactured an insane dogma that I promise you, you are the only one with this dogma serving as your whole mindset. I've talked to thousands of people in various discussions centered on Halo over the years and you're the only one who goes: "N-no!!!! The only REAL HALO PLAYERS are in RANKED MATCHMAKING 24/7!!!!!! You're not a real Halo player!!!!!! *severe cold sweat* oh my God, I de-ranked... My life is over."
Adults play games for enjoyment, not for some kind of secondary validation that their lives have worth if they reach a rank in-game. I hope that you realize that you are sprouting crazy-talk and I'll refute any of your points. (E.g people in casual probably have chores/family/houses/jobs/etc to take care of and don't feel attached to any specific match. They quit because recreational time isn't infinite.)
personally id love to see timberland. oof dreams amr. having fuel rod back would be soo good. i mean i might pick halo infite up again and i found when i played it maybe 1 year after launch it became boring fast. i played halo 1 on pc for like years. so idk i feel kinda conflicted on it. the forge maps looks so amazing tho. tfw camping seems to be still huge or sitting beside a wall. lame af personally. i found lack of maps and general basically watered down feeling and lack of gamemode turned me off of a game i was waiting years for. i am thinking about re downloading and a bad taste in mouth. from halo 1 pc.