You were right on the money about why Alastor acted like that towards Lucifer. He was intimidated by a more powerful being entering his terf. Viv confirmed that on a Q&A. Anyways, looking forward to the next reaction 😊
That's exactly what it was. Alastor typically gets his way with other demons by attempting to charm them, impress them, or intimidate them. But, with Lucifer in the room, he can't do any of those things. Alastor ultimately become just like everybody else when in the presence of the king, and that both infuriates and intimidates him.
Lucifer situation is very common, specially with people with depression or some times introvert. they dont want to intrude on others life, so even if Lucifer was always welcome on Charlie's life, he feels that unless she invite him, he showing up will be a invasion
Also, it would be very difficult for Lucifer to actually voice his opinion on Charlie's goal without coming off as unsupportive. What we have to keep in mind is that Charlie has never actually been to heaven, and she has a very fairy tale idea of what life is like up there due to her boundless optimism.
I have to admit I rolled my eyes at Charlie saying, “He’s doing it for me.” I know she’s supposed to be naïve, but that line strains credulity even for her. Especially because Alastor said outright what his motivation was in fighting off the loan sharks.
I really enjoyed Lucifer’s characterization in this show. As a fan of Helluva Boss, I know Vivzidpop is no stranger to giving their characters daddy issues. But unlike Blitzo or Moxie’s dads who were physically or emotionally abusive, Lucifer’s neglect doesn’t feel like to comes from a malicious place. It’s clear that he does love Charlie but has allowed there to be a distance between them due to his own depression. Fortunately by the end of this episode, we see Lucifer start to realize his mistake and he and Charlie starting to repair their relationship. His expression in the flashback when he’s reaching a hand out to little Charlie makes him look a little unsure and hesitant. It’s clear that he is deeply insecure, probably due in part to how his choice to give people free will created the seed for evil and got him banished from heaven. So he’d rather hold up in his house and indulge in his own interests and hobbies rather than make the effort to connect with people. He’s afraid of potentially being rejected, and thinks Charlie doesn’t want him around. But to Charlie it feels like he doesn’t care enough to know her. Vivzidpop has confirmed on Twitter that Lucifer is supposed to be read as autistic. And as someone on the spectrum, I do recognize some of his mannerisms in myself. Firstly, the thing with the ducks is clearly a hyper-fixation. But also little things like rehearsing how to answer a phone, how when he first enters the hotel he interacts with KeeKee before any of the other people because animals are easier to interact with. Even how uncomfortable his smiles are as Charlie is explaining the hotel, like he’s masking and trying too hard to look approachable. Also puts Heaven’s rejection of his ideas in a different light, since autistic people often struggle with getting others to understand their feelings or ideas, and how people just right us off as “weird” or “trouble makers”.
Yes! I was really expecting Lucifer to be cold or act disappointed in Charlie. Really, he adores her, he just has a hard time reaching out and interacting because of the depression, insecurity, probably some PTSD (from heaven), and as you said, being on the autism spectrum. Your comment about heaven's rejection reminded me of his line, "My dreams were too hard to defend." I can definitely see him struggling to get heaven to understand his ideas and feelings.
Autistic? I thought Lucifer was just pulling a Joseph Swan/Thomas Edison, by attempting to create the perfect rubber duck as if looking for 1000+ ways to make a light bulb! Although, I do notice how in “Hell’s Best Dad” he offers to *give* Charlie stuff; like services as a chef, champagne fountains, and caviar mountains, in order to bond/win favor with Charlie, although idk if that’s relevant. Also, even though *he* is the one who set up hell to have only a small amount of rules, and lets everyone in the 7 rings of hell have free will, he seems sad that next to everyone is making bad decisions with their free will, and that everything’s tearable (I deliberately spelled it wrong, ik)
Lucifer's thing with the ducks is due to him seeing himself as an "ugly duck" yet he desires to become an angelic swan. Also, Charlie likes ducks and so he wanted to make her the perfect duck as a toy for her when she was a kid. However, Lucifer thinks that nothing he creates/does is worthy enough for his daughter, and by extension, he isn't worthy enough to be her father (hence his depression). Tldr, Lucifer needs a hug.
Only the most naive people on the planet would believe Alastor genuinely cares about Charlie. It's so transparent that he's being manipulative and posturing himself as a father-figure to piss of Lucifer that one would have had to been dropped on their head as a child at least 24 times to believe otherwise.
Trust and believe that there are so many people who fall for that ol' timey Louisiana boy act. And I guarantee does the same kinds of people who would end up tied up in the trunk of Ted Bundy's car.
You’re right about Alastor not caring about Charlie. It was confirmed during a Q&A that Alastor was only trying to one up lucifer and push his buttons by saying she’s like a daughter to him. But, I really don’t believe him defending the hotel or kicking out mimzy was “character development” I think it’s more likely that he has stakes in the well being of both Charlie and the hotel and that it probably has something to do with the “leash” he’s on. The question is… whose leash? My guess is the one person who loves Charlie and disappeared around the same time as Alastor did.
SPOILERS episode 8: We know that Alastor admits the gang is growing on him though in the finale. Later, he is angry about it because he blames that behavior for him almost getting killed. You're right, he is bound to Charlie for whatever reason (deal itself, breaking said deal, or something else) and due to that I think the gang is going to continue growing on Alastor... whether he wants that to happen or not.
To be fair, at his full power, Adam is nothing to Lucifer, so he might not have thought much of Charlie dealing with him as she is also quite powerful. It's also been pointed out that Lucifer shows several signs of having either Asperger's or being a high functioning autistic so he's missing a lot of Charlie's social cues while trying to protect her from what he faced. Remember that his punishment was to only see the worst of humanity, and Hell is his prison while Lilith made it their kingdom.
That's a good point. And I'm definitely picking up on the autistic symptoms. That would also explain his hyper-focus on the ducks and why he may struggle to reach out.
It’s interesting that you noticed right away Alastor’s reason for immediately being hostile toward Lucifer. I needed a video citing Vivienne Medrano herself to explain it to me. 😁
@@Dare_to_Nerd That's what some people have been theorizing. She might be the female counterpart to Adam's toxicity since she's from the same circumstance as him.
I'm honestly starting to think that Charlie's interpretation of certain things in her own memory isnt 100% reliable. She said that her father never wanted to be around her, but, when she called him, Lucifer immediately mentioned that this is the first time she had called _him_ in years. So there's definitely distance on both sides.
@@SnowyWolborg She's also been shown to be something of a conspiracy thinker so even if she hit the mark at some point she may have reasoned herself away from it.
I think part of Alastor's change of heart is that he knows he knows a fight is coming, and he knows that the Pride Ring needs heavy hitters to survive. Given that Lucifer and Lilith have been AWOL for years (the lazy SoBs) he's focusing on Charlie. Not as a daughter, but an aprentice, and a Queen of Hell in training.
5:20 he was in the pilot pictures. His family and Morningstar are or were very close. Judging by the pictures, Charlie even dated his son, and Charlie calls his daughter a loser in the second song in the pilot
Given what we learn about Lucifer in this episode, it's very possible that part of the reason he asked Charlie specifically to meet with Adam in episode 1 was just so he could have an excuse to call her. He feels like he can only do that when he has a "legitimate reason" to reach out Also, a cool thing i picked up on recently: the first time Lucifer appears in the storybook intro in episode 1, we hear a few notes of More Than Anything
Maybe. Perhaps he wasn't thinking about how terrible an experience it would be for Charlie to deal with Adam, and was just searching for an excuse to give her for why he called. I didn't notice the song in the beginning! It's a beautiful theme song for him.
6:22 actually nearly everyone doesn't give a fuck about the Hotel and as you learn it later in the episode Lucifer has a very understandable hatred towards nearly all sinners. 10:36 Yes he does.
And to be fair, his apathy toward Sinners isn't unfounded. Once these people arrive in hell, they are in an environment that actually rewards them for being evil. They are finally off the chain because there is no fear of societal judgment or law enforcement. And even though he clearly has regrets about unleashing free will on to humanity, the thing is, freedom means you have to be responsible for your actions, and these Sinners willingly continue to be degenerates even in the afterlife. The ones who would want to repent are pebbles in the ocean.
In the Pilot, when Charlie sang "Failure" Lucifer showed up in the background. I always had a theory, that Lucifer said to her she was a failure, but after this episode, I can't believe it. (maybe it was an idea before but they changed it)
people that spoiled you shouldn't even be considered as real hazbin hotel fans,cause spoiling others on anything is very wrong,all spoiling does is hurt
No one intentionally spoiled me. It's that I accidentally read something online after episode 6 aired. It's been hard to avoid spoilers because even a quick glance at a TH-cam thumbnail could give me information about future episodes.
22:00 All This Time We Thought Lucifer Was The Deadbeat Dad And Lilith Was The Good Mom, Turns Out It's The Opposite. I'm Glad Charlie Got Her Relationship With Her Dad, The Song Was Heartfelt Beautiful. 😢😊
@@kfphunter1315 What do circus activities have to do with anything? All we've learned is that Lulu Land is a "less popular spinoff of Lulu World", which is a theme park. The "I've tried this all before" in context of the song would suggest a project of rehabilitating or protecting sinners or possibly working out some better solution with Heaven. It has nothing to do with a circus or a theme park.
@@Dare_to_Nerdyeah it looks like a classic case of miscommunication (or no communication I guess). Lucifer seems to think since Charlie rarely calls him that she may not want to speak to him, so he probably only calls when he has reason to, as to not bother her. Charlie, of course, takes this as her father not having a big interest in her so she never really calls him either. My guess is that they both just made assumptions but never really asked the other for clarification.
Just found you and I love how perceptive you are! Alastor is one of those characters who really throws people off, but you saw through him IMMEDIATELY lmao
@@Dare_to_Nerd Not the stuff that matters! Media literacy is becoming a rare commodity these days, so it's always nice to find people who really think about stuff like this. C:
i mean with the adam thing she was never actually in the same room with adam cause he was a hologram so she wasn't really in any danger. But here she will actually be going to heaven herself.
Sir pensius casualy proves lucifer wrong he has the war machine it still works but he is following the rukes vaggie set up in ep 3 he choosing to not kill the lone sharks
I mean its different going to talk to adam than actually going to heaven ...and sadly they didnt had enough screen time for him to actually tell her how heaven is And tbh i dont think she would listen
So I do still think Allastor is in this for entertainment, but I don't think he finds Mimsy exploiting Charlie's naivete amusing. I also don't think it bothered him that Husk was right, I think he knew what was coming, and he was keeping it on the backburner, because he knew Lucy was getting under his skin, and he knew he was going to want to... indulge in some hobbies... to relax at the end of the day. Going to eat his feelings. And a fishman or three.
My headcanon is that Charlie got the whole rehabilitate sinners by singing from her mom and since Lucifer allowed extermination, that lead to a divorce with Lilith. And Charlie went living with her mom which also added the strain with Charlies and Lucifer relationship. Mind you Charlie always tries to call her mom for advice or emotional support. She only reluctantly agrees to call her dad after being pressured by her gf. That leads me to believe she still blames him for their family brake up and the whole extermination. That's why Lucifer is so surprised when Charlie was the one who actually started the conversation and invited him
You were right on the money about why Alastor acted like that towards Lucifer. He was intimidated by a more powerful being entering his terf. Viv confirmed that on a Q&A. Anyways, looking forward to the next reaction 😊
That's exactly what it was. Alastor typically gets his way with other demons by attempting to charm them, impress them, or intimidate them. But, with Lucifer in the room, he can't do any of those things. Alastor ultimately become just like everybody else when in the presence of the king, and that both infuriates and intimidates him.
Lucifer situation is very common, specially with people with depression or some times introvert.
they dont want to intrude on others life, so even if Lucifer was always welcome on Charlie's life, he feels that unless she invite him, he showing up will be a invasion
Also, it would be very difficult for Lucifer to actually voice his opinion on Charlie's goal without coming off as unsupportive. What we have to keep in mind is that Charlie has never actually been to heaven, and she has a very fairy tale idea of what life is like up there due to her boundless optimism.
I have to admit I rolled my eyes at Charlie saying, “He’s doing it for me.” I know she’s supposed to be naïve, but that line strains credulity even for her. Especially because Alastor said outright what his motivation was in fighting off the loan sharks.
I really enjoyed Lucifer’s characterization in this show. As a fan of Helluva Boss, I know Vivzidpop is no stranger to giving their characters daddy issues. But unlike Blitzo or Moxie’s dads who were physically or emotionally abusive, Lucifer’s neglect doesn’t feel like to comes from a malicious place. It’s clear that he does love Charlie but has allowed there to be a distance between them due to his own depression. Fortunately by the end of this episode, we see Lucifer start to realize his mistake and he and Charlie starting to repair their relationship.
His expression in the flashback when he’s reaching a hand out to little Charlie makes him look a little unsure and hesitant. It’s clear that he is deeply insecure, probably due in part to how his choice to give people free will created the seed for evil and got him banished from heaven. So he’d rather hold up in his house and indulge in his own interests and hobbies rather than make the effort to connect with people. He’s afraid of potentially being rejected, and thinks Charlie doesn’t want him around. But to Charlie it feels like he doesn’t care enough to know her.
Vivzidpop has confirmed on Twitter that Lucifer is supposed to be read as autistic. And as someone on the spectrum, I do recognize some of his mannerisms in myself. Firstly, the thing with the ducks is clearly a hyper-fixation. But also little things like rehearsing how to answer a phone, how when he first enters the hotel he interacts with KeeKee before any of the other people because animals are easier to interact with. Even how uncomfortable his smiles are as Charlie is explaining the hotel, like he’s masking and trying too hard to look approachable. Also puts Heaven’s rejection of his ideas in a different light, since autistic people often struggle with getting others to understand their feelings or ideas, and how people just right us off as “weird” or “trouble makers”.
Yes! I was really expecting Lucifer to be cold or act disappointed in Charlie. Really, he adores her, he just has a hard time reaching out and interacting because of the depression, insecurity, probably some PTSD (from heaven), and as you said, being on the autism spectrum.
Your comment about heaven's rejection reminded me of his line, "My dreams were too hard to defend." I can definitely see him struggling to get heaven to understand his ideas and feelings.
I Have That Too.
@@hannahburke7328 Cool! 😊
Autistic? I thought Lucifer was just pulling a Joseph Swan/Thomas Edison, by attempting to create the perfect rubber duck as if looking for 1000+ ways to make a light bulb! Although, I do notice how in “Hell’s Best Dad” he offers to *give* Charlie stuff; like services as a chef, champagne fountains, and caviar mountains, in order to bond/win favor with Charlie, although idk if that’s relevant. Also, even though *he* is the one who set up hell to have only a small amount of rules, and lets everyone in the 7 rings of hell have free will, he seems sad that next to everyone is making bad decisions with their free will, and that everything’s tearable (I deliberately spelled it wrong, ik)
Vivzie didn't confirm he was autistic. You're likely referring to a screenshot of discord that might be fake.
Lucifer's thing with the ducks is due to him seeing himself as an "ugly duck" yet he desires to become an angelic swan. Also, Charlie likes ducks and so he wanted to make her the perfect duck as a toy for her when she was a kid. However, Lucifer thinks that nothing he creates/does is worthy enough for his daughter, and by extension, he isn't worthy enough to be her father (hence his depression). Tldr, Lucifer needs a hug.
I'd heard that Lucifer sees himself as the "ugly duck", but not that he wanted to make Charlie a perfect duck toy. That is so sweet and so sad!
Only the most naive people on the planet would believe Alastor genuinely cares about Charlie. It's so transparent that he's being manipulative and posturing himself as a father-figure to piss of Lucifer that one would have had to been dropped on their head as a child at least 24 times to believe otherwise.
Trust and believe that there are so many people who fall for that ol' timey Louisiana boy act. And I guarantee does the same kinds of people who would end up tied up in the trunk of Ted Bundy's car.
For the record, I was dropped on my head 37 times, thank you very much.
You’re right about Alastor not caring about Charlie. It was confirmed during a Q&A that Alastor was only trying to one up lucifer and push his buttons by saying she’s like a daughter to him.
But, I really don’t believe him defending the hotel or kicking out mimzy was “character development” I think it’s more likely that he has stakes in the well being of both Charlie and the hotel and that it probably has something to do with the “leash” he’s on. The question is… whose leash? My guess is the one person who loves Charlie and disappeared around the same time as Alastor did.
SPOILERS episode 8:
We know that Alastor admits the gang is growing on him though in the finale. Later, he is angry about it because he blames that behavior for him almost getting killed.
You're right, he is bound to Charlie for whatever reason (deal itself, breaking said deal, or something else) and due to that I think the gang is going to continue growing on Alastor... whether he wants that to happen or not.
To be fair, at his full power, Adam is nothing to Lucifer, so he might not have thought much of Charlie dealing with him as she is also quite powerful. It's also been pointed out that Lucifer shows several signs of having either Asperger's or being a high functioning autistic so he's missing a lot of Charlie's social cues while trying to protect her from what he faced. Remember that his punishment was to only see the worst of humanity, and Hell is his prison while Lilith made it their kingdom.
That's a good point. And I'm definitely picking up on the autistic symptoms. That would also explain his hyper-focus on the ducks and why he may struggle to reach out.
It’s interesting that you noticed right away Alastor’s reason for immediately being hostile toward Lucifer. I needed a video citing Vivienne Medrano herself to explain it to me. 😁
We're not sure what the "dad was right about me" line was about. It may have been retconned or possibly something planted by Lilith herself.
That would be interesting if Lilith planted that idea. It makes me wonder if she tried to distance Charlie from Lucifer.
@@Dare_to_Nerd That's what some people have been theorizing. She might be the female counterpart to Adam's toxicity since she's from the same circumstance as him.
I'm honestly starting to think that Charlie's interpretation of certain things in her own memory isnt 100% reliable. She said that her father never wanted to be around her, but, when she called him, Lucifer immediately mentioned that this is the first time she had called _him_ in years. So there's definitely distance on both sides.
@@SnowyWolborg She's also been shown to be something of a conspiracy thinker so even if she hit the mark at some point she may have reasoned herself away from it.
😂😂😂😂omg that reaction!
"You did not!" 😂😂😂😂😂
I think part of Alastor's change of heart is that he knows he knows a fight is coming, and he knows that the Pride Ring needs heavy hitters to survive. Given that Lucifer and Lilith have been AWOL for years (the lazy SoBs) he's focusing on Charlie. Not as a daughter, but an aprentice, and a Queen of Hell in training.
5:20 he was in the pilot pictures. His family and Morningstar are or were very close. Judging by the pictures, Charlie even dated his son, and Charlie calls his daughter a loser in the second song in the pilot
19:20 What else should he say in front of everyone? And that was the softest way to tell Mimzy to fuck off, supposedly giving her a choice
Given what we learn about Lucifer in this episode, it's very possible that part of the reason he asked Charlie specifically to meet with Adam in episode 1 was just so he could have an excuse to call her. He feels like he can only do that when he has a "legitimate reason" to reach out
Also, a cool thing i picked up on recently: the first time Lucifer appears in the storybook intro in episode 1, we hear a few notes of More Than Anything
Maybe. Perhaps he wasn't thinking about how terrible an experience it would be for Charlie to deal with Adam, and was just searching for an excuse to give her for why he called.
I didn't notice the song in the beginning! It's a beautiful theme song for him.
I think Lucifer using an Accordion, is a reference to who they originally wanted to voice Lucifer, Weird Al Yankovic.
That's a cool reference! I think the gold fiddle was a reference to the song, "The Devil Went Down to Georgia."
Yep. @@Dare_to_Nerd
He’s like take that depression😂😂😂
6:22 actually nearly everyone doesn't give a fuck about the Hotel and as you learn it later in the episode Lucifer has a very understandable hatred towards nearly all sinners.
10:36 Yes he does.
And to be fair, his apathy toward Sinners isn't unfounded.
Once these people arrive in hell, they are in an environment that actually rewards them for being evil. They are finally off the chain because there is no fear of societal judgment or law enforcement. And even though he clearly has regrets about unleashing free will on to humanity, the thing is, freedom means you have to be responsible for your actions, and these Sinners willingly continue to be degenerates even in the afterlife.
The ones who would want to repent are pebbles in the ocean.
I’m glad that someone on YT can see through alastor
So many people are fooled by his act. 😅
@@SnowyWolborg we're alastor fans what do you expect? XD we gush over this dude
Think he was calling the ppl Alastor said "the family you choose is better" losers not her friends.
In the Pilot, when Charlie sang "Failure" Lucifer showed up in the background. I always had a theory, that Lucifer said to her she was a failure, but after this episode, I can't believe it. (maybe it was an idea before but they changed it)
Exactly! I also thought Lucifer had called her a failure, but I'm glad he's been portrayed in a more positive way.
people that spoiled you shouldn't even be considered as real hazbin hotel fans,cause spoiling others on anything is very wrong,all spoiling does is hurt
No one intentionally spoiled me. It's that I accidentally read something online after episode 6 aired. It's been hard to avoid spoilers because even a quick glance at a TH-cam thumbnail could give me information about future episodes.
the guy in the picture is Frederick von Eldritch a family friend of the morningstars...and the father of charlies Ex Boyfriend
Thank you
21:27 he did told her what to expect they have a lots rules, they are not open minded, and they never listen
I don't think anyone can say that Alastor is trustworthy.
lmao that moment when u said 'here is timeline to avoid The Spoiler' and then in the end 'yeah she doesn't want to go bc she is from there' 😂
AAAH! Sorry!!!
@@Dare_to_Nerd nah, i watched all of it as soon as it was released, but hat was so funny😂
22:00 All This Time We Thought Lucifer Was The Deadbeat Dad And Lilith Was The Good Mom, Turns Out It's The Opposite.
I'm Glad Charlie Got Her Relationship With Her Dad, The Song Was Heartfelt Beautiful. 😢😊
8:37 "I tried this all before". They touched on this a bit more in the spin-off Helluva Boss
in which episode ?
@@NonamesBrother Episode 2 of Season 1 mentions Lucifer's Lulu World and shows that Mammon, one of the Sins, is still involved in circus activities
@@kfphunter1315 What do circus activities have to do with anything? All we've learned is that Lulu Land is a "less popular spinoff of Lulu World", which is a theme park. The "I've tried this all before" in context of the song would suggest a project of rehabilitating or protecting sinners or possibly working out some better solution with Heaven. It has nothing to do with a circus or a theme park.
5:35 You may have missed that it’s the other way around, SHE didn’t call Lucifer for a long time
I caught it. I just assumed she stopped calling him after so many years of him only reaching out "when he needs something or is bored".
@@Dare_to_Nerdyeah it looks like a classic case of miscommunication (or no communication I guess). Lucifer seems to think since Charlie rarely calls him that she may not want to speak to him, so he probably only calls when he has reason to, as to not bother her. Charlie, of course, takes this as her father not having a big interest in her so she never really calls him either. My guess is that they both just made assumptions but never really asked the other for clarification.
@@Dare_to_Nerd it's funny how she says 'he call me when he needs something' and then calls him because SHE need something
Just found you and I love how perceptive you are! Alastor is one of those characters who really throws people off, but you saw through him IMMEDIATELY lmao
Thank you! I feel like I miss a lot, though 😅
@@Dare_to_Nerd Not the stuff that matters! Media literacy is becoming a rare commodity these days, so it's always nice to find people who really think about stuff like this. C:
i mean with the adam thing she was never actually in the same room with adam cause he was a hologram so she wasn't really in any danger. But here she will actually be going to heaven herself.
Sir pensius casualy proves lucifer wrong he has the war machine it still works but he is following the rukes vaggie set up in ep 3 he choosing to not kill the lone sharks
He also saves nifty and genrualy acts like a good person all episode
To answer your question, who that was on the picture with lucifer is Frederick Von Eldredge
Thank you
I mean its different going to talk to adam than actually going to heaven ...and sadly they didnt had enough screen time for him to actually tell her how heaven is
And tbh i dont think she would listen
Yeah, she probably wouldn't listen. She runs on optimism. At least until things actually go wrong.
So I do still think Allastor is in this for entertainment, but I don't think he finds Mimsy exploiting Charlie's naivete amusing.
I also don't think it bothered him that Husk was right, I think he knew what was coming, and he was keeping it on the backburner, because he knew Lucy was getting under his skin, and he knew he was going to want to... indulge in some hobbies... to relax at the end of the day. Going to eat his feelings. And a fishman or three.
Yeah, I think entertainment is at least part of his motivation.
I can see that. Alastor even said he'd missed getting to "let off steam."
You Will Not Be Ready For The Next Episode, It's A Bomb Drop. 🍒💣💥
My headcanon is that Charlie got the whole rehabilitate sinners by singing from her mom and since Lucifer allowed extermination, that lead to a divorce with Lilith. And Charlie went living with her mom which also added the strain with Charlies and Lucifer relationship. Mind you Charlie always tries to call her mom for advice or emotional support. She only reluctantly agrees to call her dad after being pressured by her gf. That leads me to believe she still blames him for their family brake up and the whole extermination. That's why Lucifer is so surprised when Charlie was the one who actually started the conversation and invited him