That's one of Charlie's major flaws. Is that she's dramatically underestimating what's actually needed in order to help people. She has a very surface level understanding of mental health and therapy that can be very condescending and treating her guests childishly. She wants to help, but she actually doesn't have any of the tools or knowledge to do so.
This is true, but like... how would she? Nevermind that she's probably been super sheltered, nobody in Hell has a reason to help anybody or improve themselves. When everyone around you feels free to be their worst self because it's not as if there's a Super Hell they can send you to how do you even develop the tools to make yourself or anyone else better?
right? she’s also been accidentally condescending, like when she made angel, the person with a drug addiction, role play a CRACKHEAD offering other people drugs. she didn’t even seem to notice him become offended by it
@@seesawseesaw You could tell that Angel probably found it both ridiculous, and maybe even a little bit insulting that Charlie thought this was how drug pushers actually get people hooked because he actually comes from that in both life and afterlife.
I feel like Alistor hates Lucifer because he is so much stronger than him. He is one of the few people he cannot intimidate or play with with his sheer strenght. So he tries to bother him in another way: "Stealing" Charlie aways from him.
Yeah he realizes he doesn’t have control in the situation, because he’s been used to being Charlie’s strongest player for the hotel. Because Lucifer wasn’t there. And now that he is, Alastor is internally panicking because he’s realizing Charlie doesn’t need to rely on him as much if she has Lucifer. So he decides to jab that he hadn’t been there. And how “loyal” is he. Psychopaths crave control, and they get really upset when they don’t have it anymore.
Yeah, he definitely doesn't actually think of Charlie as a daughter, but it's the only way he can get under Lucifer's skin. Lucifer can basically make Alastor redundant, offering Charlie anything she could want free of charge, while Alastor expects to profit from her in some way. So he needs to really hammer down his "loyalty" to stay relevant.
Almost every single character in this series has a musical motif: Charlie and Lucifer have big Disney musical/classic broadway themes, The Vees have a modern electric/hiphop style, Adam is extremely rock-themed, some of the others have only one song but have a distinctive 'type' of music associated with them (jazz for husk, pop for Angel, opera for Carmilla, etc.) Alastor, on the other hand, *doesn't have any songs of his own,* he just adds a little bit of electro-swing flavor into other peoples' performances, while singing along with their melodies and cadences. He is completely fake, he has never once presented his own identity to us through his music, he's just matching the 'vibe' of whatever's around him. We don't know a single thing about his actual motivations, and I think that's by design.
I would also say that Lucifer also has this kind of Christian pop-rock thing going on as well; as soon as More Than Anything started up, I instantly thought, "This sounds like so much a Christian ballad! It fits... he's a fallen angel." This is not a bad thing, and I think it helps to give him his own flavor of music, especially since we see that he has some holdover tendencies from his time in Heaven.
The Show Must Go On definitely gave us a look into his own motivation and style. Dramatic and self-influenced. Though I am more than sure that his style is the electro swing he brings to others songs, tempered with stage musicals.
Alastor is 1000% just manipulating the situation. The lyrics are kind of clever - “I care for you just like a daughter I spawned.” It’s such a clinical and distant way of referring to someone as a daughter figure.
i mean but also Charlie is a hellspawn (part angel but born in hell, making her still a spawn, at least according to lute) and also Alastor is Ace meaning he would see reproduction clinically. I know Al is manipulating here but I believe he will ultimately side with Charlie (I hope I enjoy his Character to much for him to be the true big bad). So yeah I see what you mean but I also don't fully agree cause his vernacular is in keeping with the series and his orientation. so eh I dunno
@@emersonthorpe8231 I don't know. Psychopaths normally don't turn around. They just hide better. And Alastor scores 31/40 on the Psychopathy checklist.
@@emersonthorpe8231i think it's supposed to sound distant and match the old-timey vibe. Also it sounds like something a unloving monarch would say, which, now that I have written it it matches what Lucifer would seem like, the unloving father... Idk what my conclusion here is hahaha (On that note I personally live for the chaos. Please let Alastor have a true villain arc. I loved the sir pentious scene in the finale the moment it happened even without realizing why they could get away with it. I laughed so hard lmao)
Alastor is 100% saying all that stuff about Charlie to piss of Lucifer. Al probably despises him for being more powerful, plus, it's theorized he made a deal with Lilith and is forced to protect the hotel. If he does care about Charlie, it's not much. Since he's so charming, people forget how manipulative and pure evil he is.
@@gamean3792Oh yeah, it's the one position of power he has over Lucifer in this situation and he exploits it to its fullest potential. Lucifer can't even get back at him because it will upset Charlie if he hurts Alastor.
Depressed by his own failures, he kept his daughter at a distance. When she reaches out to him years later, he at first tries to buy her affection only to learn that all she ever wanted from him was to know who he was, which was what he was most terrified to show her. Simply beautiful writing.
Honestly, I think he wasn't keeping her at a distance so much as thinking she didn't want anything to do with him. Consider how one of the reasons Charlie cited for her dad to call was when he was 'bored'; guarantee those were attempts by Lucifer to put out feelers for reconnecting. Just look at how he reacted when she called him. She never called him, it was always the other way around. And how excited he was about being invited over. That man had been waiting for that moment for who knows how many years. He also said he'd been dying to find out who she was, meaning he's been wanting to reconnect for years. The whole thing was a case of misunderstanding, with both thinking the other wasn't interested in a relationship of any kind. And I have a strong suspicion that Lilith may have been the reason for that...
do keep in mind, the only time we see Charlie's whole family interacting is when Lilith is taking Charlie away from hearing Lucifer's stories despite both of them obviously not wanting that to happen. We won't know for sure until later but it does seem like Lilith was a big cause of the distance between the two
@@kenjutsukata1o1 Yeah, it's still early to know for sure, but it really looks like Lilith was purposely trying to put a wedge between Lucifer and Charlie. As for why, I'm not certain yet. ESPECIALLY why when Charlie is as young as she is in that flashback.
@@kenjutsukata1o1I agree 100%. Without his wife and his daughter, Lucifer is clearly very depressed.And I agree about the phone calls. He’s trying. It interests me that Charlie is still so dependent on her mother when she hasn’t answered the phone for seven years. Her pets are all gifts from Lucifer, too. I’ve heard that they were her favorite toy plushies and he brought them to life.
One thing that I've noticed; especially after watching several reactions, is that a lot of people pick up on Charlie saying that Lucifer only calls "when he is bored or needs something" and then immediately go, wow bad dad. But then we find out that Charlie has literally never once called Lucifer herself before that moment. If that is true, then Lucifer calling her only "When he is bored or needs something" make perfect sense. He thinks she doesn't want to talk to him so he needs an excuse to talk to her. And being highly depressed because he was the most joyful angel from heaven who has been trapped in Hell for millennia that reaction begins to make perfect sense. It's definitely not the best action he could have taken; but it is fully believable and makes sense from a psychological perspective. Especially if like was implied in more than anything that Lilith may have been purposefully driving a wedge in between them since Charlie was a child. Either way, happy to see them grow closer at the end of this episode.
Something I've realized in this episode regarding Lucifer's depression and disregard for the hotel and the sinners while Charlie is clearly VERY invested in helping everyone is that for Lucifer hell is his punishment and sinners are the consequence of his actions while for Charlie hell is her home and the sinners are her people, that's why they have such a different outlook on things
I can't say Alastor doesn't care for charlie at least somewhat, but he was definitely just saying that dad stuff to get under Lucifer's skin. He likes having power over people, & that's really the only thing he could have over Lucifer
I will never believe that he never cared at least a little bit about Charlie, cause later in the episodes he gave her his Radio staff thingy to sing a song to the cannibal town that was very father-daughter of him… and kinda sweet. especially knowing how important that staff is to him.
I think that Alastor cares more about his plans and not Charlie herself as a person. He obviously has a hidden agenda and Charlie seems to be a key "component" for whatever he isscheming and Lucifer is a real threat, an element that is completely out of his control that can affect Charlie's decisions.
I love how despite the fact that Lucifer is pretty much top dog in terms of power, Alastor still keeps his, "you go low, I go lower" mentality. Vox wishes he had this kind of rivalry with Alastor.
How do you think Vox would go with Lucifer? Slimy crawler (kiss-up)? Brazen not thinking this through attitude? Craven and cowardly? Or would just hear Lucifer say something, would be nearly at the end of a massive insult before finally turning around, seeing who it was he was talking to and suddenly change into a "little piece of sh----OH! Oh you're......your majesty....I didn't....I didn't......."
@@agenttheater5Vox seems very resourceful and likes to make connections, so I assume he'd try to act friendly towards lucifer, since there would be no better ally to have in hell
@@agenttheater5Vox is overall actually relatively chill he only looses his temper and calm whenever Alastor is involved because of his deep hatred for him (most likely he feels betrayed by Alastor as he has a picture of him) so him trying to get in Lucifer good grace is not as much of an imposibility as it may seem. However if Charlie tells Lucifer what Val did to her weeeellll
Also, Alastor`s confirmed to be asexual and have no desire for family and kids especially since he`s a cannibalistic serial killer or was in life(Still kinda is but mostly reserves the cannibalism for when he`s in Cannibal Town these days to be polite)and his father was an abusive alcoholic bully which is another reason Alastor hates Lucifer.
Reminder Lucifer is the ruler of hell. Alastor isn't even the strongest overlord. Yes he is powerful compared to average people. But there are several levels of power between him and Lucifer. Edit: "Fell to Holy arms" is they thought he may have been killed by angels during an extermination. Not that he went to heaven.
Alastor almost definitely does not care. the running theory is that he sold his soul to Lilith and as such has to do as she says, including protecting her daughter. he is NOT even REMOTELY a good person.
Ikr! I'm very surprised so many people actually believe him. I thought it was incredibly obvious that he doesn't care about Charlie, OR the Hotel at all. Even in the pilot he seems very suspicious when he's talking about why he even helps out in the first place. It's DEFINITELY not for "entertainment" (although it's probably a nice bonus for him)
@@Thyga.05 its because he's an entertaining and kind of attractive(?) character that a lot of people enjoy, which means they really WANT him to be good, or at least morally grey, and as such give him waaaaaay too much benefit of the doubt. i think he might care about them a little bit, or might start to down the line in season 2, but he definitely doesn't care enough for it to matter.
@@samanthadegroot7749 When the pilot Vipzie came out he said that he would be the final antagonist, I don't know if he is still valid but he is definitely going to be one of the antagonists
As for Lucifer, he was less a deadbeat dad, and more a sheltered soul who's dreams where crushed repeatedly. Lilith purposely estranged Charlie from him and left him alone with severe depression that has gone unchecked for a while. He can't believe in charlie's dreams if he can't even believe in himself. He HATES himself and his ultimate failures that caused so much suffering and chaos. Every time he tries to fix things it only gets worse for his family. This left him disillusioned and out of touch with the world, and he lost his ability to connect. He is trapped in a world of his own making, only seeing the negative and everything only reaffirming his biases. He has no idea he needs help and is drowning in his sorrow. He ultimately WANTS to help charlie, but he is still so traumatized to truly be in the present and there for her. Depression is a bitch. He hangs back to let Charlie be herself and make her own achievements and dreams, free from his bad luck of ruining them, only stepping in when he needs something, but charlie sees this as abandonment; so it perpetuates the cycle of neglect and avoidance. He STILL is a bad ass fallen angel and king of hell who LOVES his daughter, but his broken pride is his biggest weakness...and Alastor knows that just by glancing at him. For both Alaster and Lucifer, Charlie is a symbol of HOPE, only Al has the WORST intentions possible and is only out for himself, while Luci truly cares for her. That is why they fight over her.
The much more common but much less represented type of deadbeat: the kind that’s so wrapped up in their own mental health issues they just can’t fit the people they love into their heads and are terrified of trying for fear of doing more damage.
Alastor has died in the 1930ties. If we go by our time line, has been in Hell for over 100 years. Luzifer was there since it began, since the creation of Mankind, so roughly 5000 years (+ his life before as a Seraphim). He has seen so many Overlords come and go, so it does'nt surprise me that he never heard of the Radio Demon.
That's exactly what it is. Why should Lucifer care if some Sinner shows up every couple centuries and makes a little bit of a name for themselves before vanishing? That's just a blip on the radar of Lucifer's lifetime. Alastor is not nearly a big enough deal for Lucifer to be concerned about him.
Fun fact Lucifer is only short by Demon standards he is around 5 foot 10, its just that Demons tend to be VERY tall for example Charlie is 6 foot 6 and Alastor and Angel Dust are 7-8 feet tall. Angels tend to be shorter than Demons so it makes sense Lucifer would be seen as short, this also explains why Charlie is so "short" compared to most Demons its because she is half Angel
I was just thinking about this the other day. Lucifer is short king but Charlie is short next to other demons too. Rosie and most of the cannibals. Alastor and Angel Dust. Even most of the demons we see in Happy Day in Hell tower over Charlie. There are short ones, like Niffty, so maybe it depends on how bad you were in life?
Wait, where did you get that info? I watched one of Vivziepop’s recent live streams with questions and answers, and one of the questions was Lucifer’s height. I’ll rewatch it again, but I think she said he was about 5 foot 1 without his hat on. They jokingly said the hat makes him look a little taller, and I remember I got really happy cause Luci and myself have the same height. I’ll update my comment after watching the live stream again. Edit: I rewatched the live stream and I couldn’t find a for sure definitive answer but Erika (voice of Charlie) did jokingly estimate Lucifer’s height to be about 5 foot 2 without the hat and Vivzie didn’t disagree with her. She said he wears the hat to make himself look taller than he actually is. Lucifer actually is a little shorter than Vaggie, and I think in the past she said Vaggie is about 5 foot 4. So Erika isn’t that far off. Vivziepop did mention in that livestream though that Charlie is 6 foot 4, Alastor is a little taller than her (I think maybe 6 foot 7 or 8), Angel Dust is 8 feet, and Valentino is 10 feet.
@@LuciLovesDucks really? That doesnt make much sense to me because while he is obviously shorter than Charlie he doesnt look like hes almost a foot and a half shorter than her. 5 foot 10 is just the average of the main guesses I have seen of his height based on him next to the main cast so its not like that was officially stated anywhere. That would mean there should be a noticebaly bigger height difference between him and Charlie than between her and Alastor and I feel like their height difference is about the same. Whatever she says is canon obviously though and to be fair Charlie has been drawn somewhat inconsistently with how tall she is so its possible she just looks shorter in the shots with her and Lucifer
@@skarletfenrir6979 I rewatched the live stream and I couldn’t find a for sure definitive answer but Erika (voice of Charlie) did jokingly estimate Lucifer’s height to be about 5 foot 2 without the hat and Vivzie didn’t disagree with her. She said he wears the hat to make himself look taller than he actually is. Lucifer actually is a little shorter than Vaggie, and I think in the past she said Vaggie is about 5 foot 4. So Erika isn’t that far off. Vivziepop did mention in that livestream though that Charlie is 6 foot 4, Alastor is a little taller than her (I think maybe 6 foot 7 or 8), Angel Dust is 8 feet, and Valentino is 10 feet. I totally agree with how heights are drawn in the animation. It seems like the characters heights change in different scenes. I remember in some scenes it really does look like Charlie is a foot and half taller than her girlfriend and dad, and other scenes the height difference doesn’t seem so drastic. Whatever their height’s actually are, when I cosplay as Lucifer in the future, I’m going to say I’m the fun size version of him. 😂
Jeremy Jordan was perfect for the role. More Than Anything is one of my fave songs from the show.and getting a glimpse into Alastors mystery was really interesting!! Plus it was nice to see how the hotel members appreciate all that Charlie is doing for them.
Something to think about Charlie said Lucifer only calls when he's board or needs something. With Lucifer's personality, I can see him calling Charlie because he wants to be able to speak to her, but when asked why he was calling he just says, 'oh I was just board and decided to give you a call' cause he may have felt like he needed a reason other than a simple 'I wanted to speak to you' The important thing is Lucifer's comment when she calls him is 'it's the first time she's called you in years' so he has tried, but in a way that had her misunderstand his reasons, while she eventually stopped trying due to those misunderstandings building up
Alastor likely hates Lucifer because he's a potential threat to his influence over Charlie while being much more powerful So Alastor pulls the whole "I'm the dad who stepped-up" to manipulate Charlie and throw Lucifer off
I identify way too much with Lucifer -the hyperfixation -the discomfort in unplanned social interactions -the not realizing how long its been since I've contacted my friends... - crippling anxiety
My theory for the ducks is that he was fixated on the moment Charlie first laid eyes on one of his creations, the part where she sneaked in while he was working, and so he held on to that memory of her smile despite being estranged for a long time. There's also that line he sings, "I've missed that smile."
Do not mistake Al's actions as being good. Its clear this is narcissistic and toxic behavior to get his talons in to get the upper hand. Almost like a defense/immune response to Lucifer appearing and threatening his position, Alastor is scared... and Charlie is being used as the bargaining piece and body shield in this tense exchange. Alastor knows if he plays his cards right Charlie will take his side & defend him instead of her own father. Al's ultimate goal is still to get as close the Charlie as possible, stripping down her defenses until she has no choice but to say yes to his deals. He might even be worst than Valentino because he is the silent sociopath type, that hides behind a smile...
Can't believe we got the voices for both Varian and Spinel in the same episode! And, as always, Alastor being a smug troll and hijacking other people's songs is ALWAYS funny! 🤣 *But I am terrified for Husk after that one scene, though...* 😥
Something worth noting is that while Charlie felt like Lucifer didn't want anything to do with her because he barely ever called her, Lucifer actually mentions how Charlie hadn't called him in YEARS, meaning Lucifer had so far always been the one to try and come forward in some capacity. It's a quick one-off line by Lucifer but gives quite an interesting perspective into the reasons why him and Charlie were so estranged at the start of the show, as it seems both parties are partially at fault.
I agree with the other comments, Alastor is just meddling and trying to annoy Lucifer. It helps to ignore Alastor's smile and watch his animated body language and word choice when he's on screen. He's "gentlemanly" (mostly in demeanor than actual politeness) as a baseline and is always smiling so a lot of his important character interactions are through subtext, word choice, and frequency of insults. I genuinely think he thinks more fondly of nifty than he does of Charlie though probably does admire her powers and her polite kindness. Definitely still thinks the hotel concept is delusional though.
It needs to be understood, Lucifer was not being dismissive of Charlie because he was a deadbeat or didn't care. Quite the opposite. He was trying to protect her. While Charlie believes that he was ok with the extermination, I doubt that was really the case. Lucifer used to be the ultimate dreamer but was crushed by the forces of heaven and his own failure. He was trying to prevent Charlie from getting her hopes up only to fail like he did.
It's also important to keep in mind that Lucifer also knows from first-hand experience that heaven likes the status quo. He tried to do something different, and he was banished for it. And he just doesn't want his daughter experiencing that same thing. Lucifer is not wrong about Sinners being the worst, because they are finally in an environment that rewards them for being monsters. There is nothing like the fear of law enforcement or societal judgment to hold them back.
The growth of Lucifer and Charlie’s relationship in the show is so heartwarming. You can tell he cares, he’s just unsure of how to show it. The closest thing Lucifer could think of was keeping her away from the people who crushed his spirit, even though it meant pushing aside Charlie’s own dream. But, when she finally convinced him, that line of “I hope we can start again. Not be pulled apart again” really tugged at my heartstrings. That entire song will forever be tied for #1 in ranking.
@@Cataly_ely Not in the canon of the show. According to episode one it was only after he gave the apple that him and Lilith were cast into the pit. Before that he was just considered an outlier for his views but was still able to be in Heaven.
Alastor is powerful and scary for an overlord. The reason Lucifer doesnt know him or is concerned at all is because Lucifer is several orders of magnitude more powerful than he is. Hell, if charlie learned how to fight and use her own power, she'd majorly outclass Alastor as well. Its why Alastor digs at their relationship, its what he sees as a weakness and the only way for him to get a dig in at the big boss.
Exactly. Alastor felt smaller just by being in the same room as Lucifer because his usual tactics won't work. He can't charm him, he can't intimidate him, he can't impress him. So the only thing that Alastor can pick at is pointing out how Lucifer is not so involved in his daughter's dream while he, a relative stranger, is.
i 100% am onboard with the concept of alastor being pissy that lucifer didn’t know who he was so he hit him where it hurts: right in the absent dad spot.
I am so glad they made Lucifer such a caring dad. Sure he's kind of a doofus who isn't exactly good at this, but he is legit trying and does truly love Charlie. Also Hearing Alastor use profanity is GOLD. That’s how you know he’s really upset because nobody really gets to him.
One thing I want to call out that you seemed to miss is that, despite what he likes to say, Alastor really cares about what public opinion of him is. From him getting more serious (by losing the radio filter) saying “what would the papers say” in episode 2, the annoyance at not being asked about his return in episode 3, and then here in episode 5 he gets really petty about Lucifer because he doesn’t know who Alastor is, leading Alastor to have the whole “parental bit” for this episode.
Alastor doesn't actually see Charlie as a daughter, he was just saying all that shit to get to Lucifer, because his bond with Charlie is the only thing he has over Lucifer, he can't intimidate or control Lucifer since Alastor is weak compared to the Big Boss of Hell LMFAO
Allistair, according to the supplemental lore, was a serial killer in New Orleans before he died and came to Hell. He promptly started doing the same thing to Overlords, which explains his meteoric rise. The question of his actual feelings is still up for debate. Also, Vaggie has a very good reason for not wanting to go to Heavern, which you'll see shortly.
i love Lucifer's reaction to meeting Vaggie. he's so confused but he's got the right spirit about him. super happy he didnt end up being homophobic like some people thought he would be. also i love how they did everything with lucifer. after he fell from heaven, he fell into an even deeper depression and that led him to cutting himself out of the lives of his family because he feels like he's just a problem
Alastor has been missing for 7 years, as has Lilith. I think she's the one who has his leash. Also, Alastor appears at the hotel right after Charlie calls his mother for help.
I dont know where but i saw someone say that alastor probably lured nifty out of a dumpster with a cheese string and adopted her and thats canon in my head now
With all due respect, half of the people here wouldn't last a DAY in Hell 😭 you're SO easy to manipulate. I'm actually kinda surprised at how many people doing reaction videos actually believed Alastor sees Charlie as his daughter in this episode, instead of just trying to get under Lucifer's skin and getting extra brownie points in Charlie's eyes. I thought it was kind of obvious-
People are rather easy to manipulate. Play to their ego, say the words they want to hear, and you can convince them to do whatever you please. It's pathetic but also scary just how much you can get away with.
It's the fandom effect and the fact that Alastor is just a red, sociopathic Tumblr sexy man. So people see it and have a natural inclination towards ship mentality. There's a reason that all fan stories and comics have an undertone of "I'm a bad person on the outside but i'm secretly soft and sentimental on the inside and harbor a crush for the main character that most people insert themselves as". Hazbin coming to Amazon made Tumblr mentality mainstream. So yeah all of the people who watch Hazbin that were part of or tangential to those communities almost intentionally misread it because it's precision crafted manipulation, it's not sloppy enough to stand out to people who don't want to see it. Tumblr mentality makes you WANT Alastor to come around and secretly be a good guy and it colors the way you watch the show.
Charlie is useful to Alastor, and becoming her trusted ally by defending the hotel is to his benefit Lucifer might not know how to be a good dad, but he at least actually cares about Charlie and isn't faking it to manipulate her
So what lute was saying is basically exorcists are not allowed to kill hell born citizens and only sinners. That was the deal lucifer made with heaven.
It’s so funny when Lucifer is like: hahaha thats why charile named it the hazbin hotel Alistor:HAHA well that was my idea Lucifer:Haha well that wasn’t very clever Alistor:HAHA f@ck you That’s on 10:29
One thing is that we have Charlie's perspective on things, most likely she was only quoting what Adam said about Lucifer getting permission to exclude hell born demons from extermination. She was however unaware of him trying to get the extermination canceled completely, because as we have seen before they dont really talk much. They lack a lot of communication and I have a theory that Charlie and Lucifer were kept apart or Lucifer fell so hard in his depression that he didnt think he was worth his daughters attention or thought he wasnt good for her. While Alastor might care for Charlie I doubt he actually cares THAT much for her. (we'll see if it changes in the future) This was mostly a way to fuck with Lucifer, because Alastor cant intimidate him with strength. I dont think Lucifer is that bad of a dad. I remember it was said once that if he was graded he would get a B+ as a dad. Which is fair, he fucks up a lot, but this makes him feel more relatable because everybody fucks up, but he also tries the best he can even with his bad mental state. Again not perfect but its soemthing. Honestly I want to know more about the whole splitting up thing between Lucifer and Lilith from their perspective.
I think by the end, Alastor looked, if not happy, at least contented, that Charlie and Lucifer did manage to reconnect. He had a soft non-threatening smile for the duration of the song. I headcanon that, if what Mimzy said was true about Alastor being a softie, he may have hated Luci at the beginning but if anything, his actions indirectly gave Luci that little push to bond more with his daughter.
1 thing I love is how everyone assumed that despite being as much of a horrible evil piece of shit as he is theres no way Alastor could be nearly as evil as Lucifer and then it turns out he is so much worse
"Everyone?" Speak for yourself, not everybody is blind to context clues. The show established at the first few seconds that Lucifer wasn´t an evil person, he wanted to give humans free will, thats it. If you think thats evil, thats on you, but don´t you dare speak for "everybody".
So Alistor, imo doesn’t care about Charlie or the Hotel more than what he can get out of them. The hotel is a source of amusement, and Charlie is heiress to Hell who he can possibly manipulate or maybe strike a contract with. The leading theory is he’s in his own deal with Lilith, possibly forced to look after Charlie. But that’s just speculation. He goes heavy on the “Dad” thing infront of Lucifer cause he knows he can’t win a fight otherwise.
From what I've read, fallen souls killed by normal means are able to remanifest through an excruciating reforming process a bit like Captain Jack from Torchwood. It's only through the use of angelic powers, or other obscure means used by demons like Alastar that are able to destroy a soul permanently. So likely it's very much could be the exact same loan sharks from the previous episode, or the way Sir Pentious is able to always have followers after constantly losing them in the first two episodes.
I'm fairly certain that the reason Al hates Lucy is not because he's protective of Charlie, but because he doesn't want Charlie having any options for help outside of him. He wants a deal with her, and Lucifer could cause that to be tossed away.
I'm more bothered that she complains about her dad, but her mom "must be doing something important" to ghost her for 7 years. Like, even if she is, you have no reason to think that? Nor is it justified (yet).
What job of his is she doing? And please don't try to say helping the Sinners, because that's not his job or hers. It's just something that Charlie took up out of an extraordinary amount of compassion. Because the simple fact of the matter is, there's a reason that she's laughed at for her dream. There's no reason for Sinners to care about redemption when they are in an environment that _rewards them for being evil._
Lucifer is fallen angel. He tried to help people by giving them the apple in Eden and possibily other things as mentioned in the intro but instead created hell and got cast out of heaven to hell, that seems like a good reason for depresion to me
I see it less as him caring and more about Alastor immediately deciding "okay, so this prick's disrespected me, so I'm gonna get back at him by acting like I'm Charlie's replacement father", and Charlie plays along with it because she feels neglected by her own father.
Yeah, Alistor definitely does not care for Charlie in the slightest. Its a clear dig at Lucifer because he knows that will annoy him and using her against him. Lucifer is a threat for his control of Charlie for his own benefit as well as him being more powerful than him, which bothers Alistor alot.
Exactly. Notice how Alastor never acted like this before, and he never acts like this again. He only did it because he was trying to assert some kind of dominance because he felt small in comparison to Lucifer.
17:38 I guess you don't remember the part from the Pilot where Vaggie explained Allastor's past to Angel. She specifically said he took down "overlords who have been dominating for centuries". So even if we didn't knew at the time what an Overlord was, that description made it clear, Allastor took down some very seriously powerful and/or influential demons in a VERY brutal way. And he made sure EVERYONE knows it.
Regarding the intro You recorded stuff in advance and posted videos while out of town? That is far more effort put into your channel than anything I could manage, and I applaud you for being able to do that. You might take it for granted, but I certainly don’t, I find that level of commitment and work ethic incredible.
Alastor is really famous among the lower power clases, if we speak about the most powerful clases in hell (demon royalty, the sins and Lucifer) they are much more powerful and don't really need to know him. I think that also explains why Alastor dislike him so much, he can't intimidate him with his power or status.
That's exactly what it is. Lucifer does not need to pay attention to somebody who only showed up in the last couple decades. Alastor is the kind of person who needs everybody in the room to know how strong he is, and how terrifying he can be. The reason he went all Godzilla mode on those loan sharks is because he needed to make a statement. That whole thing had "hey everybody, look at how cool I am" energy written all over it.
I will say with context, Lucifer is the prince of the first ring of hell and has the sin-title of Pride (those given a sin-title are basically kings of their domains). Seeing as Alastor is nicknamed the radio demon and is technically a sinner, he is viewed as no different than other earth born souls who were damned to hell as a sinner. Lucifer essentially just omega lulled him as he sees Alastor as a peasant in front of a King. NOT just any king, but a fallen angel who first created all of Hell. That would be like if a US President met God and started saying "yeah I was a president, kinda a big deal", like what? They may have been a big deal sure, but not compared to the God of all Creation itself! 🤣
It's impossible to tell how much of Alastor's comments about Charlie are completely false, or if he's mixing in a tiny bit of truth to help sell it. Based on his reaction to Mimsy's attitude at the end of this episode, and some moments in the next couple episodes, hint that he might actually care about her, even if it's just a little bit. Alastor is a psychopath, but he's not immune to human emotion, like his petty feud with Vox, the way he's clearly pissed off when Carmilla dismisses his absence at the meeting, and how pissed off Lucifer makes him. I honestly hope that he does care about her, cause it's a great dynamic to be completely honest.
I can always tell who has or doesnt have "daddy issues" based on the "More than anything" song. If you're crying and loving the song so much then... most likely: daddy issues. But in this case, you passed it over like "aw thats sweet they are reconnecting" meanwhile I'm sobbing after seeing it for the 100th time
The Title if you didn't figure it out already is a pay on words about Dead beat Dad which Lucifer lately has was kind of acting like. He's definitely not as bad as most but definitely wasn't the best father after Him and Lilith split
Alastor does not care about the hotel or Charlie, he doesn’t believe in her cause and just sticks around the hotel to watch everything fall apart for his amusement. He only pulls the dad card to mess with Lucifer because he hates that Lucifer didn’t know who he was (Alastor is the type of person who wants everyone to know who he is)
I will never get over "You could almost call me, daaaaaad" Lucifer: aggressively plays fiddle
Specifically a golden fiddle ala Devil Went Down to Georgia
That needs to be a reaction meme
"You know what? That's it!"
*ANGRILY FIDDLES AT YOU*
*ACCORDIONS WITH MALICIOUS AFORETHOUGHT*
You have chosen violin.
Alastor: I one-up your fiddle with spontaneous piano!
That's one of Charlie's major flaws. Is that she's dramatically underestimating what's actually needed in order to help people. She has a very surface level understanding of mental health and therapy that can be very condescending and treating her guests childishly. She wants to help, but she actually doesn't have any of the tools or knowledge to do so.
This is true, but like... how would she? Nevermind that she's probably been super sheltered, nobody in Hell has a reason to help anybody or improve themselves. When everyone around you feels free to be their worst self because it's not as if there's a Super Hell they can send you to how do you even develop the tools to make yourself or anyone else better?
Detail worth of note is that she is straight oblivious to all evil. What is both good and bad thing.
the only reason her therapy works on Sir Pentious was he never really had friends and was a man child
right? she’s also been accidentally condescending, like when she made angel, the person with a drug addiction, role play a CRACKHEAD offering other people drugs. she didn’t even seem to notice him become offended by it
@@seesawseesaw You could tell that Angel probably found it both ridiculous, and maybe even a little bit insulting that Charlie thought this was how drug pushers actually get people hooked because he actually comes from that in both life and afterlife.
I feel like Alistor hates Lucifer because he is so much stronger than him. He is one of the few people he cannot intimidate or play with with his sheer strenght. So he tries to bother him in another way: "Stealing" Charlie aways from him.
Yeah he realizes he doesn’t have control in the situation, because he’s been used to being Charlie’s strongest player for the hotel. Because Lucifer wasn’t there. And now that he is, Alastor is internally panicking because he’s realizing Charlie doesn’t need to rely on him as much if she has Lucifer. So he decides to jab that he hadn’t been there. And how “loyal” is he. Psychopaths crave control, and they get really upset when they don’t have it anymore.
Was about to come and type this out as well, saves me time
Yeah, he definitely doesn't actually think of Charlie as a daughter, but it's the only way he can get under Lucifer's skin. Lucifer can basically make Alastor redundant, offering Charlie anything she could want free of charge, while Alastor expects to profit from her in some way. So he needs to really hammer down his "loyalty" to stay relevant.
"one of the few"
few categories but a lot of people xD
lucifer/lilith/charlie ofc, then the other 6 sins, then ALL of the ars goetia
@@jjsstikbotvideos4421 charlie is league above him in power though
Almost every single character in this series has a musical motif: Charlie and Lucifer have big Disney musical/classic broadway themes, The Vees have a modern electric/hiphop style, Adam is extremely rock-themed, some of the others have only one song but have a distinctive 'type' of music associated with them (jazz for husk, pop for Angel, opera for Carmilla, etc.)
Alastor, on the other hand, *doesn't have any songs of his own,* he just adds a little bit of electro-swing flavor into other peoples' performances, while singing along with their melodies and cadences.
He is completely fake, he has never once presented his own identity to us through his music, he's just matching the 'vibe' of whatever's around him. We don't know a single thing about his actual motivations, and I think that's by design.
Camilla: onscreen
_Spanish Guitar intensifies_
That’s actually a cool observation
@@brolytriplethreatcorvats from sao abridged is Carmilla confirmed.
I would also say that Lucifer also has this kind of Christian pop-rock thing going on as well; as soon as More Than Anything started up, I instantly thought, "This sounds like so much a Christian ballad! It fits... he's a fallen angel." This is not a bad thing, and I think it helps to give him his own flavor of music, especially since we see that he has some holdover tendencies from his time in Heaven.
The Show Must Go On definitely gave us a look into his own motivation and style. Dramatic and self-influenced. Though I am more than sure that his style is the electro swing he brings to others songs, tempered with stage musicals.
Alastor is 1000% just manipulating the situation. The lyrics are kind of clever - “I care for you just like a daughter I spawned.” It’s such a clinical and distant way of referring to someone as a daughter figure.
oh my god that’s so true… it’s like he knows the wikipedia definition of dad and just wants to use it to piss off lucifer pfft
i mean but also Charlie is a hellspawn (part angel but born in hell, making her still a spawn, at least according to lute) and also Alastor is Ace meaning he would see reproduction clinically. I know Al is manipulating here but I believe he will ultimately side with Charlie (I hope I enjoy his Character to much for him to be the true big bad). So yeah I see what you mean but I also don't fully agree cause his vernacular is in keeping with the series and his orientation. so eh I dunno
@@emersonthorpe8231 I don't know. Psychopaths normally don't turn around. They just hide better. And Alastor scores 31/40 on the Psychopathy checklist.
@@emersonthorpe8231i think it's supposed to sound distant and match the old-timey vibe. Also it sounds like something a unloving monarch would say, which, now that I have written it it matches what Lucifer would seem like, the unloving father... Idk what my conclusion here is hahaha
(On that note I personally live for the chaos. Please let Alastor have a true villain arc. I loved the sir pentious scene in the finale the moment it happened even without realizing why they could get away with it. I laughed so hard lmao)
@@veritsas Not the Wikipedia dad 🤣
Alastor is 100% saying all that stuff about Charlie to piss of Lucifer. Al probably despises him for being more powerful, plus, it's theorized he made a deal with Lilith and is forced to protect the hotel. If he does care about Charlie, it's not much. Since he's so charming, people forget how manipulative and pure evil he is.
He's fools the entire fandom on a regular basis.
Just wanted to mention, that his words about caring for Charlie probably was just to piss Lucifer off, without actual meaning in it
If the deals not with Lilith than probably with Eve, I'd say.
Well we don't know who he made a deal with, but he is saying that to try to get some sort of power over Lucifer using emotional means
@@gamean3792Oh yeah, it's the one position of power he has over Lucifer in this situation and he exploits it to its fullest potential. Lucifer can't even get back at him because it will upset Charlie if he hurts Alastor.
Depressed by his own failures, he kept his daughter at a distance. When she reaches out to him years later, he at first tries to buy her affection only to learn that all she ever wanted from him was to know who he was, which was what he was most terrified to show her. Simply beautiful writing.
Honestly, I think he wasn't keeping her at a distance so much as thinking she didn't want anything to do with him. Consider how one of the reasons Charlie cited for her dad to call was when he was 'bored'; guarantee those were attempts by Lucifer to put out feelers for reconnecting. Just look at how he reacted when she called him. She never called him, it was always the other way around. And how excited he was about being invited over. That man had been waiting for that moment for who knows how many years. He also said he'd been dying to find out who she was, meaning he's been wanting to reconnect for years.
The whole thing was a case of misunderstanding, with both thinking the other wasn't interested in a relationship of any kind. And I have a strong suspicion that Lilith may have been the reason for that...
do keep in mind, the only time we see Charlie's whole family interacting is when Lilith is taking Charlie away from hearing Lucifer's stories despite both of them obviously not wanting that to happen. We won't know for sure until later but it does seem like Lilith was a big cause of the distance between the two
@@kenjutsukata1o1 Yeah, it's still early to know for sure, but it really looks like Lilith was purposely trying to put a wedge between Lucifer and Charlie. As for why, I'm not certain yet. ESPECIALLY why when Charlie is as young as she is in that flashback.
@@kenjutsukata1o1I agree 100%. Without his wife and his daughter, Lucifer is clearly very depressed.And I agree about the phone calls. He’s trying. It interests me that Charlie is still so dependent on her mother when she hasn’t answered the phone for seven years. Her pets are all gifts from Lucifer, too. I’ve heard that they were her favorite toy plushies and he brought them to life.
19:02
just a correction! it is "fell TO holy arms" so people had thought that Alastor had been permanently killed by an angel
Ohhh so that’s what that meant
well its ambiguos enough, could be either or
@@notdotuna it's really not ambiguous at all
@@notdotuna alastors ass ain't going to heaven any time soon lmao
@@notdotuna i think the official subtitles say fallen TO.. its not ambiguous
One thing that I've noticed; especially after watching several reactions, is that a lot of people pick up on Charlie saying that Lucifer only calls "when he is bored or needs something" and then immediately go, wow bad dad. But then we find out that Charlie has literally never once called Lucifer herself before that moment. If that is true, then Lucifer calling her only "When he is bored or needs something" make perfect sense. He thinks she doesn't want to talk to him so he needs an excuse to talk to her. And being highly depressed because he was the most joyful angel from heaven who has been trapped in Hell for millennia that reaction begins to make perfect sense. It's definitely not the best action he could have taken; but it is fully believable and makes sense from a psychological perspective. Especially if like was implied in more than anything that Lilith may have been purposefully driving a wedge in between them since Charlie was a child. Either way, happy to see them grow closer at the end of this episode.
Note that when she called him it was because she wanted somerhing. The apple didn't fall as far from the tree as she'd like to think
Something I've realized in this episode regarding Lucifer's depression and disregard for the hotel and the sinners while Charlie is clearly VERY invested in helping everyone is that for Lucifer hell is his punishment and sinners are the consequence of his actions while for Charlie hell is her home and the sinners are her people, that's why they have such a different outlook on things
It's even said in episode one about that. That Lucifer will never see the good of humanity, only the bad
“So… Lilith is single?” is the BEST reaction to finding out she and Lucifer split up
I can't say Alastor doesn't care for charlie at least somewhat, but he was definitely just saying that dad stuff to get under Lucifer's skin. He likes having power over people, & that's really the only thing he could have over Lucifer
Even viv said not to trust Al’s parenting towards Charlie
Agreed
I will never believe that he never cared at least a little bit about Charlie, cause later in the episodes he gave her his Radio staff thingy to sing a song to the cannibal town that was very father-daughter of him… and kinda sweet. especially knowing how important that staff is to him.
@@Saeqoii isn't that episode 7?
I think that Alastor cares more about his plans and not Charlie herself as a person.
He obviously has a hidden agenda and Charlie seems to be a key "component" for whatever he isscheming and Lucifer is a real threat, an element that is completely out of his control that can affect Charlie's decisions.
I love how despite the fact that Lucifer is pretty much top dog in terms of power, Alastor still keeps his, "you go low, I go lower" mentality. Vox wishes he had this kind of rivalry with Alastor.
How do you think Vox would go with Lucifer? Slimy crawler (kiss-up)? Brazen not thinking this through attitude? Craven and cowardly?
Or would just hear Lucifer say something, would be nearly at the end of a massive insult before finally turning around, seeing who it was he was talking to and suddenly change into a "little piece of sh----OH! Oh you're......your majesty....I didn't....I didn't......."
@@agenttheater5Vox seems very resourceful and likes to make connections, so I assume he'd try to act friendly towards lucifer, since there would be no better ally to have in hell
@@agenttheater5Vox is overall actually relatively chill he only looses his temper and calm whenever Alastor is involved because of his deep hatred for him (most likely he feels betrayed by Alastor as he has a picture of him) so him trying to get in Lucifer good grace is not as much of an imposibility as it may seem.
However if Charlie tells Lucifer what Val did to her weeeellll
@@crazymrdog Lucifer however has been in Hell since day 1 so there's a chance that he couldn't fall for Vox acting friendly.
@@darkwhispersstories47 Could that get Angel out of his contract?
As for Alastor and his relationship with Charlie, it's pretty obvious he's mostly just to try and get under Lucifer's skin more then anything.
More than anything har har
Pun intended
Than*
Sorry.
Also, Alastor`s confirmed to be asexual and have no desire for family and kids especially since he`s a cannibalistic serial killer or was in life(Still kinda is but mostly reserves the cannibalism for when he`s in Cannibal Town these days to be polite)and his father was an abusive alcoholic bully which is another reason Alastor hates Lucifer.
Alister: You could almost call me, daaaad.
Lucifer: So, you have chosen… fiddle
Reminder Lucifer is the ruler of hell.
Alastor isn't even the strongest overlord. Yes he is powerful compared to average people. But there are several levels of power between him and Lucifer.
Edit: "Fell to Holy arms" is they thought he may have been killed by angels during an extermination. Not that he went to heaven.
It seems as though every reactor I've seen doesn't understand what " Fell to Holy arms" means.
Alastor almost definitely does not care. the running theory is that he sold his soul to Lilith and as such has to do as she says, including protecting her daughter. he is NOT even REMOTELY a good person.
Ikr! I'm very surprised so many people actually believe him. I thought it was incredibly obvious that he doesn't care about Charlie, OR the Hotel at all. Even in the pilot he seems very suspicious when he's talking about why he even helps out in the first place. It's DEFINITELY not for "entertainment" (although it's probably a nice bonus for him)
@@Thyga.05 its because he's an entertaining and kind of attractive(?) character that a lot of people enjoy, which means they really WANT him to be good, or at least morally grey, and as such give him waaaaaay too much benefit of the doubt. i think he might care about them a little bit, or might start to down the line in season 2, but he definitely doesn't care enough for it to matter.
He might have been growing abit Attached to the gang but he rejected that attachment during the Finale
I'd put money on the upcoming reveal that part of Alastor's deal is to keep Charlie safe and specifically away from Lucifer for some reason.
@@samanthadegroot7749 When the pilot Vipzie came out he said that he would be the final antagonist, I don't know if he is still valid but he is definitely going to be one of the antagonists
Alastor is beyond poking a bear. He is poking a *kaiju*
Yeah, you can really see that in the last episode of the season.
a small kaiju
And he gets away with it too! What a guy!
Like a kaiju, but it’s a cock, y’know what I mean? /ref
@@vsGoliath96Only reason he got away with it was because of charlie
As for Lucifer, he was less a deadbeat dad, and more a sheltered soul who's dreams where crushed repeatedly. Lilith purposely estranged Charlie from him and left him alone with severe depression that has gone unchecked for a while. He can't believe in charlie's dreams if he can't even believe in himself. He HATES himself and his ultimate failures that caused so much suffering and chaos. Every time he tries to fix things it only gets worse for his family. This left him disillusioned and out of touch with the world, and he lost his ability to connect. He is trapped in a world of his own making, only seeing the negative and everything only reaffirming his biases. He has no idea he needs help and is drowning in his sorrow.
He ultimately WANTS to help charlie, but he is still so traumatized to truly be in the present and there for her. Depression is a bitch. He hangs back to let Charlie be herself and make her own achievements and dreams, free from his bad luck of ruining them, only stepping in when he needs something, but charlie sees this as abandonment; so it perpetuates the cycle of neglect and avoidance. He STILL is a bad ass fallen angel and king of hell who LOVES his daughter, but his broken pride is his biggest weakness...and Alastor knows that just by glancing at him. For both Alaster and Lucifer, Charlie is a symbol of HOPE, only Al has the WORST intentions possible and is only out for himself, while Luci truly cares for her. That is why they fight over her.
The much more common but much less represented type of deadbeat: the kind that’s so wrapped up in their own mental health issues they just can’t fit the people they love into their heads and are terrified of trying for fear of doing more damage.
Alastor has died in the 1930ties. If we go by our time line, has been in Hell for over 100 years.
Luzifer was there since it began, since the creation of Mankind, so roughly 5000 years (+ his life before as a Seraphim).
He has seen so many Overlords come and go, so it does'nt surprise me that he never heard of the Radio Demon.
That's exactly what it is. Why should Lucifer care if some Sinner shows up every couple centuries and makes a little bit of a name for themselves before vanishing? That's just a blip on the radar of Lucifer's lifetime. Alastor is not nearly a big enough deal for Lucifer to be concerned about him.
Fun fact Lucifer is only short by Demon standards he is around 5 foot 10, its just that Demons tend to be VERY tall for example Charlie is 6 foot 6 and Alastor and Angel Dust are 7-8 feet tall. Angels tend to be shorter than Demons so it makes sense Lucifer would be seen as short, this also explains why Charlie is so "short" compared to most Demons its because she is half Angel
What about nifty ?
I was just thinking about this the other day. Lucifer is short king but Charlie is short next to other demons too. Rosie and most of the cannibals. Alastor and Angel Dust. Even most of the demons we see in Happy Day in Hell tower over Charlie.
There are short ones, like Niffty, so maybe it depends on how bad you were in life?
Wait, where did you get that info? I watched one of Vivziepop’s recent live streams with questions and answers, and one of the questions was Lucifer’s height. I’ll rewatch it again, but I think she said he was about 5 foot 1 without his hat on. They jokingly said the hat makes him look a little taller, and I remember I got really happy cause Luci and myself have the same height. I’ll update my comment after watching the live stream again.
Edit: I rewatched the live stream and I couldn’t find a for sure definitive answer but Erika (voice of Charlie) did jokingly estimate Lucifer’s height to be about 5 foot 2 without the hat and Vivzie didn’t disagree with her. She said he wears the hat to make himself look taller than he actually is. Lucifer actually is a little shorter than Vaggie, and I think in the past she said Vaggie is about 5 foot 4. So Erika isn’t that far off. Vivziepop did mention in that livestream though that Charlie is 6 foot 4, Alastor is a little taller than her (I think maybe 6 foot 7 or 8), Angel Dust is 8 feet, and Valentino is 10 feet.
@@LuciLovesDucks really? That doesnt make much sense to me because while he is obviously shorter than Charlie he doesnt look like hes almost a foot and a half shorter than her. 5 foot 10 is just the average of the main guesses I have seen of his height based on him next to the main cast so its not like that was officially stated anywhere. That would mean there should be a noticebaly bigger height difference between him and Charlie than between her and Alastor and I feel like their height difference is about the same. Whatever she says is canon obviously though and to be fair Charlie has been drawn somewhat inconsistently with how tall she is so its possible she just looks shorter in the shots with her and Lucifer
@@skarletfenrir6979 I rewatched the live stream and I couldn’t find a for sure definitive answer but Erika (voice of Charlie) did jokingly estimate Lucifer’s height to be about 5 foot 2 without the hat and Vivzie didn’t disagree with her. She said he wears the hat to make himself look taller than he actually is. Lucifer actually is a little shorter than Vaggie, and I think in the past she said Vaggie is about 5 foot 4. So Erika isn’t that far off. Vivziepop did mention in that livestream though that Charlie is 6 foot 4, Alastor is a little taller than her (I think maybe 6 foot 7 or 8), Angel Dust is 8 feet, and Valentino is 10 feet.
I totally agree with how heights are drawn in the animation. It seems like the characters heights change in different scenes. I remember in some scenes it really does look like Charlie is a foot and half taller than her girlfriend and dad, and other scenes the height difference doesn’t seem so drastic. Whatever their height’s actually are, when I cosplay as Lucifer in the future, I’m going to say I’m the fun size version of him. 😂
Jeremy Jordan was perfect for the role. More Than Anything is one of my fave songs from the show.and getting a glimpse into Alastors mystery was really interesting!! Plus it was nice to see how the hotel members appreciate all that Charlie is doing for them.
More than anything is by far the most impressive vocal performance out of all the songs in my opinion.
@@quest9905 agreed!!
Something to think about
Charlie said Lucifer only calls when he's board or needs something. With Lucifer's personality, I can see him calling Charlie because he wants to be able to speak to her, but when asked why he was calling he just says, 'oh I was just board and decided to give you a call' cause he may have felt like he needed a reason other than a simple 'I wanted to speak to you'
The important thing is Lucifer's comment when she calls him is 'it's the first time she's called you in years' so he has tried, but in a way that had her misunderstand his reasons, while she eventually stopped trying due to those misunderstandings building up
My favourite trope is that Alastor doesnt start a song, he piggy-backs off of another persons song and takes the wheel.
Alastor likely hates Lucifer because he's a potential threat to his influence over Charlie while being much more powerful
So Alastor pulls the whole "I'm the dad who stepped-up" to manipulate Charlie and throw Lucifer off
Alastor doesn't actually see Charlie as a daughter, he's just really good at picking up on people's triggers
I identify way too much with Lucifer
-the hyperfixation
-the discomfort in unplanned social interactions
-the not realizing how long its been since I've contacted my friends...
- crippling anxiety
If you noticed when Lucifer was hugging Charlie, Alastor eye was twitching. He looks annoyed by that expression🤔
Alastor thinks that openly showing emotions the way Lucifer was as soon as he stepped in the door is a sign of weakness.
Alastor doesn’t actually care about Charlie that way he just hates Lucifer and wants to mess with him.
Have you finished the season? He's obligated to be in Charlie's good favor
@@papahusky1263 that’s not confirmed and he still doesn’t care about her that way
@@penguin50279 what I said has more groundwork in what's been shown than 'just wants to mess with him'
@@papahusky1263Except not really.
Kimda hoping he will care for them all in the future,buuuut at the same time Id be chil wit either way. Thats the fun eith it all.
My theory for the ducks is that he was fixated on the moment Charlie first laid eyes on one of his creations, the part where she sneaked in while he was working, and so he held on to that memory of her smile despite being estranged for a long time. There's also that line he sings, "I've missed that smile."
Do not mistake Al's actions as being good. Its clear this is narcissistic and toxic behavior to get his talons in to get the upper hand. Almost like a defense/immune response to Lucifer appearing and threatening his position, Alastor is scared... and Charlie is being used as the bargaining piece and body shield in this tense exchange. Alastor knows if he plays his cards right Charlie will take his side & defend him instead of her own father. Al's ultimate goal is still to get as close the Charlie as possible, stripping down her defenses until she has no choice but to say yes to his deals. He might even be worst than Valentino because he is the silent sociopath type, that hides behind a smile...
I suppose that is how you can tell that he is a well-written character, because a lot of the fan base have really been fooled by Alastor's act.
“It seems he cares, he’s just kind of a dumbass” damn I didn’t expect to take a stray but I see why I can relate to him!
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Can't believe we got the voices for both Varian and Spinel in the same episode! And, as always, Alastor being a smug troll and hijacking other people's songs is ALWAYS funny! 🤣
*But I am terrified for Husk after that one scene, though...* 😥
Something worth noting is that while Charlie felt like Lucifer didn't want anything to do with her because he barely ever called her, Lucifer actually mentions how Charlie hadn't called him in YEARS, meaning Lucifer had so far always been the one to try and come forward in some capacity.
It's a quick one-off line by Lucifer but gives quite an interesting perspective into the reasons why him and Charlie were so estranged at the start of the show, as it seems both parties are partially at fault.
lucifer is a malewife i will not elaborate
I totally agree.
PREACH!
Amen
I agree with the other comments, Alastor is just meddling and trying to annoy Lucifer. It helps to ignore Alastor's smile and watch his animated body language and word choice when he's on screen. He's "gentlemanly" (mostly in demeanor than actual politeness) as a baseline and is always smiling so a lot of his important character interactions are through subtext, word choice, and frequency of insults. I genuinely think he thinks more fondly of nifty than he does of Charlie though probably does admire her powers and her polite kindness. Definitely still thinks the hotel concept is delusional though.
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That makes me wonder what will his thoughts be when the word of Sir Pentious getting redeemed finds its way to the hotel
Yeah, pretty much every time Alaster says something about seeing Charlie as a daughter he's side eyeing Lucifer.
"that you fell to holy arms" implies he died during an extermination, not that he was involved in some holy bargain. Arms as in weapons.
It needs to be understood, Lucifer was not being dismissive of Charlie because he was a deadbeat or didn't care. Quite the opposite. He was trying to protect her.
While Charlie believes that he was ok with the extermination, I doubt that was really the case.
Lucifer used to be the ultimate dreamer but was crushed by the forces of heaven and his own failure. He was trying to prevent Charlie from getting her hopes up only to fail like he did.
It's also important to keep in mind that Lucifer also knows from first-hand experience that heaven likes the status quo. He tried to do something different, and he was banished for it. And he just doesn't want his daughter experiencing that same thing.
Lucifer is not wrong about Sinners being the worst, because they are finally in an environment that rewards them for being monsters. There is nothing like the fear of law enforcement or societal judgment to hold them back.
The growth of Lucifer and Charlie’s relationship in the show is so heartwarming. You can tell he cares, he’s just unsure of how to show it. The closest thing Lucifer could think of was keeping her away from the people who crushed his spirit, even though it meant pushing aside Charlie’s own dream. But, when she finally convinced him, that line of “I hope we can start again. Not be pulled apart again” really tugged at my heartstrings. That entire song will forever be tied for #1 in ranking.
Also, I’ve read somewhere a great way to describe Alastor’s attitude towards Charlie/the Hotel: he’s not loyal, he is territorial.
25:09 Um hello? He's Lucifer, THE angel that gave humans free will with good intentions and got severely punished by the rest of heaven
Wasn't he already fallen when he did that tho?
@@Cataly_ely Not in the canon of the show. According to episode one it was only after he gave the apple that him and Lilith were cast into the pit. Before that he was just considered an outlier for his views but was still able to be in Heaven.
I thought he was refering to the sinners and hell when he was talking about free will
Alastor is powerful and scary for an overlord. The reason Lucifer doesnt know him or is concerned at all is because Lucifer is several orders of magnitude more powerful than he is. Hell, if charlie learned how to fight and use her own power, she'd majorly outclass Alastor as well. Its why Alastor digs at their relationship, its what he sees as a weakness and the only way for him to get a dig in at the big boss.
Exactly. Alastor felt smaller just by being in the same room as Lucifer because his usual tactics won't work. He can't charm him, he can't intimidate him, he can't impress him. So the only thing that Alastor can pick at is pointing out how Lucifer is not so involved in his daughter's dream while he, a relative stranger, is.
i 100% am onboard with the concept of alastor being pissy that lucifer didn’t know who he was so he hit him where it hurts: right in the absent dad spot.
I am so glad they made Lucifer such a caring dad. Sure he's kind of a doofus who isn't exactly good at this, but he is legit trying and does truly love Charlie. Also Hearing Alastor use profanity is GOLD. That’s how you know he’s really upset because nobody really gets to him.
One thing I want to call out that you seemed to miss is that, despite what he likes to say, Alastor really cares about what public opinion of him is. From him getting more serious (by losing the radio filter) saying “what would the papers say” in episode 2, the annoyance at not being asked about his return in episode 3, and then here in episode 5 he gets really petty about Lucifer because he doesn’t know who Alastor is, leading Alastor to have the whole “parental bit” for this episode.
I love when Alastor cusses for the first time it’s so aggressive HA HA Fuck You!
never thought I’d even think of uttering this sentence in my life, but..
lucifer is fine as hell ngl
Alastor doesn't actually see Charlie as a daughter, he was just saying all that shit to get to Lucifer, because his bond with Charlie is the only thing he has over Lucifer, he can't intimidate or control Lucifer since Alastor is weak compared to the Big Boss of Hell LMFAO
Allistair, according to the supplemental lore, was a serial killer in New Orleans before he died and came to Hell. He promptly started doing the same thing to Overlords, which explains his meteoric rise. The question of his actual feelings is still up for debate. Also, Vaggie has a very good reason for not wanting to go to Heavern, which you'll see shortly.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nifity actually isn't under contract with Alastor but just tags along with him because she likes bad boys.
i love Lucifer's reaction to meeting Vaggie. he's so confused but he's got the right spirit about him. super happy he didnt end up being homophobic like some people thought he would be.
also i love how they did everything with lucifer. after he fell from heaven, he fell into an even deeper depression and that led him to cutting himself out of the lives of his family because he feels like he's just a problem
Alastor has been missing for 7 years, as has Lilith. I think she's the one who has his leash. Also, Alastor appears at the hotel right after Charlie calls his mother for help.
I dont know where but i saw someone say that alastor probably lured nifty out of a dumpster with a cheese string and adopted her and thats canon in my head now
Alastor could care less about Charlie and the hotel. He was just trying to get under Lucifer's skin.
When zestial said "fell into holy arms" he meant that the theories where that Alastor died in an extermination
“I hope we get to see heaven”
*The next episode being titled Welcome to Heaven*
It might seem crazy what I’m bout to say-
With all due respect, half of the people here wouldn't last a DAY in Hell 😭 you're SO easy to manipulate. I'm actually kinda surprised at how many people doing reaction videos actually believed Alastor sees Charlie as his daughter in this episode, instead of just trying to get under Lucifer's skin and getting extra brownie points in Charlie's eyes. I thought it was kind of obvious-
Totally, people are blinded by how charismatic he is
People are rather easy to manipulate. Play to their ego, say the words they want to hear, and you can convince them to do whatever you please. It's pathetic but also scary just how much you can get away with.
It's the fandom effect and the fact that Alastor is just a red, sociopathic Tumblr sexy man. So people see it and have a natural inclination towards ship mentality. There's a reason that all fan stories and comics have an undertone of "I'm a bad person on the outside but i'm secretly soft and sentimental on the inside and harbor a crush for the main character that most people insert themselves as".
Hazbin coming to Amazon made Tumblr mentality mainstream.
So yeah all of the people who watch Hazbin that were part of or tangential to those communities almost intentionally misread it because it's precision crafted manipulation, it's not sloppy enough to stand out to people who don't want to see it. Tumblr mentality makes you WANT Alastor to come around and secretly be a good guy and it colors the way you watch the show.
I know I would not last there Im terrible at social cues 😭
Charlie is useful to Alastor, and becoming her trusted ally by defending the hotel is to his benefit
Lucifer might not know how to be a good dad, but he at least actually cares about Charlie and isn't faking it to manipulate her
19:02 no he didnt, he said people thought he fell TO holy arms meaning people thought that he was killed by Angelic weaponry
So what lute was saying is basically exorcists are not allowed to kill hell born citizens and only sinners. That was the deal lucifer made with heaven.
One of my favorite episodes! Also I'm mildly obsessed with everything that Jeremy Jordan(Lucifer's va) is in so obviously I love Lucifer
alastor got that gasligh rizz
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TAKE THAT DEPRESSION
Alistor definitely took the "who are you" personally 😂
Just the look on Alastor's face once Lucifer popped in, he was ready to start conflict lol
“I’d be depressed too if I fumbled Lilith” REAL
Fun fact: The Living Tombstone’s Sam Haft wrote the lyrics (and possibly melody) of all the songs in the show. TLT is the band behind the FNAF song.
It’s so funny when Lucifer is like: hahaha thats why charile named it the hazbin hotel
Alistor:HAHA well that was my idea
Lucifer:Haha well that wasn’t very clever
Alistor:HAHA f@ck you
That’s on 10:29
One thing is that we have Charlie's perspective on things, most likely she was only quoting what Adam said about Lucifer getting permission to exclude hell born demons from extermination. She was however unaware of him trying to get the extermination canceled completely, because as we have seen before they dont really talk much.
They lack a lot of communication and I have a theory that Charlie and Lucifer were kept apart or Lucifer fell so hard in his depression that he didnt think he was worth his daughters attention or thought he wasnt good for her.
While Alastor might care for Charlie I doubt he actually cares THAT much for her. (we'll see if it changes in the future) This was mostly a way to fuck with Lucifer, because Alastor cant intimidate him with strength.
I dont think Lucifer is that bad of a dad. I remember it was said once that if he was graded he would get a B+ as a dad. Which is fair, he fucks up a lot, but this makes him feel more relatable because everybody fucks up, but he also tries the best he can even with his bad mental state. Again not perfect but its soemthing.
Honestly I want to know more about the whole splitting up thing between Lucifer and Lilith from their perspective.
I think by the end, Alastor looked, if not happy, at least contented, that Charlie and Lucifer did manage to reconnect. He had a soft non-threatening smile for the duration of the song. I headcanon that, if what Mimzy said was true about Alastor being a softie, he may have hated Luci at the beginning but if anything, his actions indirectly gave Luci that little push to bond more with his daughter.
1 thing I love is how everyone assumed that despite being as much of a horrible evil piece of shit as he is theres no way Alastor could be nearly as evil as Lucifer and then it turns out he is so much worse
"Everyone?" Speak for yourself, not everybody is blind to context clues. The show established at the first few seconds that Lucifer wasn´t an evil person, he wanted to give humans free will, thats it. If you think thats evil, thats on you, but don´t you dare speak for "everybody".
So Alistor, imo doesn’t care about Charlie or the Hotel more than what he can get out of them. The hotel is a source of amusement, and Charlie is heiress to Hell who he can possibly manipulate or maybe strike a contract with.
The leading theory is he’s in his own deal with Lilith, possibly forced to look after Charlie. But that’s just speculation.
He goes heavy on the “Dad” thing infront of Lucifer cause he knows he can’t win a fight otherwise.
Alastor woke up and chose violence
From what I've read, fallen souls killed by normal means are able to remanifest through an excruciating reforming process a bit like Captain Jack from Torchwood. It's only through the use of angelic powers, or other obscure means used by demons like Alastar that are able to destroy a soul permanently.
So likely it's very much could be the exact same loan sharks from the previous episode, or the way Sir Pentious is able to always have followers after constantly losing them in the first two episodes.
I LOVE Lucifer, my fav character by far of the two Vizie shows. Lillith doesn't deserve him
I'm fairly certain that the reason Al hates Lucy is not because he's protective of Charlie, but because he doesn't want Charlie having any options for help outside of him. He wants a deal with her, and Lucifer could cause that to be tossed away.
Charlie complains about Lucifer only calling when he needs something, then turns around, and calls him about something she needs.
After doing his job for him for years, I think she's entitled to a favour or two.
I'm more bothered that she complains about her dad, but her mom "must be doing something important" to ghost her for 7 years. Like, even if she is, you have no reason to think that? Nor is it justified (yet).
What job of his is she doing? And please don't try to say helping the Sinners, because that's not his job or hers. It's just something that Charlie took up out of an extraordinary amount of compassion. Because the simple fact of the matter is, there's a reason that she's laughed at for her dream. There's no reason for Sinners to care about redemption when they are in an environment that _rewards them for being evil._
Lucifer is fallen angel. He tried to help people by giving them the apple in Eden and possibily other things as mentioned in the intro but instead created hell and got cast out of heaven to hell, that seems like a good reason for depresion to me
He doesnt see her as a daughter, he just wants to piss off Lucifer
I see it less as him caring and more about Alastor immediately deciding "okay, so this prick's disrespected me, so I'm gonna get back at him by acting like I'm Charlie's replacement father", and Charlie plays along with it because she feels neglected by her own father.
Yeah, Alistor definitely does not care for Charlie in the slightest. Its a clear dig at Lucifer because he knows that will annoy him and using her against him. Lucifer is a threat for his control of Charlie for his own benefit as well as him being more powerful than him, which bothers Alistor alot.
Exactly. Notice how Alastor never acted like this before, and he never acts like this again. He only did it because he was trying to assert some kind of dominance because he felt small in comparison to Lucifer.
17:38
I guess you don't remember the part from the Pilot where Vaggie explained Allastor's past to Angel.
She specifically said he took down "overlords who have been dominating for centuries". So even if we didn't knew at the time what an Overlord was, that description made it clear, Allastor took down some very seriously powerful and/or influential demons in a VERY brutal way. And he made sure EVERYONE knows it.
Regarding the intro
You recorded stuff in advance and posted videos while out of town?
That is far more effort put into your channel than anything I could manage, and I applaud you for being able to do that.
You might take it for granted, but I certainly don’t, I find that level of commitment and work ethic incredible.
Alastor is really famous among the lower power clases, if we speak about the most powerful clases in hell (demon royalty, the sins and Lucifer) they are much more powerful and don't really need to know him. I think that also explains why Alastor dislike him so much, he can't intimidate him with his power or status.
That's exactly what it is. Lucifer does not need to pay attention to somebody who only showed up in the last couple decades. Alastor is the kind of person who needs everybody in the room to know how strong he is, and how terrifying he can be. The reason he went all Godzilla mode on those loan sharks is because he needed to make a statement. That whole thing had "hey everybody, look at how cool I am" energy written all over it.
21:13 Actually, loan sharks are just a species of hellborn creature!
Not all sharks would know each other.
I will say with context, Lucifer is the prince of the first ring of hell and has the sin-title of Pride (those given a sin-title are basically kings of their domains). Seeing as Alastor is nicknamed the radio demon and is technically a sinner, he is viewed as no different than other earth born souls who were damned to hell as a sinner. Lucifer essentially just omega lulled him as he sees Alastor as a peasant in front of a King. NOT just any king, but a fallen angel who first created all of Hell. That would be like if a US President met God and started saying "yeah I was a president, kinda a big deal", like what? They may have been a big deal sure, but not compared to the God of all Creation itself! 🤣
Alastor does NOT care about charlie he does NOT care about the hotel I SWEARRR (Lucifer is so much better)
I’ll tell you now that no angels lie in this series. It seems like they literally are unable to lie but can omit, dance around, or avoid the truth.
It's impossible to tell how much of Alastor's comments about Charlie are completely false, or if he's mixing in a tiny bit of truth to help sell it. Based on his reaction to Mimsy's attitude at the end of this episode, and some moments in the next couple episodes, hint that he might actually care about her, even if it's just a little bit. Alastor is a psychopath, but he's not immune to human emotion, like his petty feud with Vox, the way he's clearly pissed off when Carmilla dismisses his absence at the meeting, and how pissed off Lucifer makes him. I honestly hope that he does care about her, cause it's a great dynamic to be completely honest.
Lucifer seems to be the only character in hell that manages to actually get Alastor annoyed enough to swear. Vox only wishes he could manage the same.
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I can always tell who has or doesnt have "daddy issues" based on the "More than anything" song. If you're crying and loving the song so much then... most likely: daddy issues. But in this case, you passed it over like "aw thats sweet they are reconnecting" meanwhile I'm sobbing after seeing it for the 100th time
The Title if you didn't figure it out already is a pay on words about Dead beat Dad which Lucifer lately has was kind of acting like. He's definitely not as bad as most but definitely wasn't the best father after Him and Lilith split
Alastor does not care about the hotel or Charlie, he doesn’t believe in her cause and just sticks around the hotel to watch everything fall apart for his amusement. He only pulls the dad card to mess with Lucifer because he hates that Lucifer didn’t know who he was (Alastor is the type of person who wants everyone to know who he is)
Never trusted Alistor. Never will trust Alistor 😂 He is so using Charlie for his own benefit and climb up in power
Alastor!
@@Jroobelucios "Alastor" 🤓 Correct my autocorrect if it matters that much
@@ninjcraftswow was the nerd emoji needed? Not like I was being an ass about it
I would like to mention that your instincts about this show are so insanely accurate that it's scary
Lucifer is my all time favorite, his personality and everything about him is so cute xd
14:25 “it seems like he really cares about Charlie. He sees her as a daughter almost.”
Oh you sweet summer child😂
Lucifer hit hard with that Genie energy.