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Giving one for each section isn’t a bad idea - but then there should still be a single award for athlete of the year. So you can win track athlete of the year against everyone in track, and then the winners of the three categories also essentially go head to head for athlete of the year.
I think this is quite reasonable. To have an award for each category but one of those winners will be athlete of the year. And the athlete of the year will get a trophy that has a color specific to that designation.
But the big issue I have is that it’s awarded by a group of people and what THEY think should get it. One of the reasons why I love track is that no one is in charge of deciding who wins. Whoever crosses the line first. No questions.
Like the Olympics, I think they are over-complicating things. The co-ed events are the worst. Lots of b-rate runners and more money and time needed to run these events.
Track and Field has become bloated… Time to trim down….
I agree, and I also think that athlete of the year should be one, not one of either gender.
Explain to me how a field event athlete like a pole vaulter would even stand a chance against against a track runner than can run 4-5 events but you as a pole vaulter only have that event. I think it’s impossible to compare a sprint record like USA in bolts to a person running a world record time in a marathon.
@@brigidm6279Then that would have been Faith Kipyegon alone this year. Not only for her great achievements, but also because the man showed in his statements that he is not a true leader by mindset. Faith totally outclasses him there.
Yeah, this is summed up perfectly. Field events, track events and road races are all different beasts. It’s fair to make an award for each one as long as you retain the overall award.
I think having a winner from each discipline is great, but I also think having one person winning athlete above the rest would be best
It wouldn't make sense look at football, only2 people have been winning for the last 10yeara
@@Hasco254 yeah because that one is rigged and no real football fan respects it.
@@RetsamX that's why I think it's better to have multiple awards
The world had gone to a weak standard. It’s about every body’s a winner syndrome. Should remain one athlete on both sides.
If I were the best marathoner in the world, but I got beat out as athlete of the year by a guy who runs only 100-200m.....Uh, Who is the BEST ATHLETE? A person who runs 26 miles faster than anyone in the world, or a guy who runs a few hundred meters faster than anyone in the world?......Apples compared to oranges. That is a contest between speed vs endurance, which is not fair. Winner from each discipline is better.
Don't think it's a bad idea to split into separate Track & Field AotY Awards, but everyone should've been made aware beforehand, that was handled badly by World Athletics! There could/should still be an overall Athlete of the Year Award even after splitting into individual Track, Field & Out of Stadia Awards. Would be great to get a video from TRP on 18yr old Freshman JaMeesia Ford who was just 0.04s away from breaking Abby Steiner's indoor 300m NCAA Record in her season opener a few days ago :)
They should have given seperate awards to all of them for being the best track/field/out of stadium athletes but kept the main prize to a single person.
I think it’s silly all together to split it up at all because it’s never been that way. They literally just essentially made it a different award, devaluing/diluting the award. It would be like awarding the gold medals to the top three in a race instead of the Gold, Silver, and Bronze…
I agree that choosing multiple winners based on events really devalues the achievement. It’s like how the Oscar’s has a subcategory for every category you can think of
The reason this shouldn't be broken up is because the people who win in their respective fields have already been crowned the athlete of the year in their field by winning their respective championships smh
exactly
Yeah, I agree
The irony in Noah possibly being one of the reasons this happened, then being peeved when it actually happens, is kind of amusing. This is why awards exist and are very few. The more awards there are, the less meaningful they become. Imagine medals going to all finalists. Following bronze is copper, lead, steel, aluminium.....
Please Call it what is, Too many Blacks dominating the Sport, Give Whytes and Others an opportunity to win, Whether deserved or not. Am I shocked absolutely not, This is how (Dey) win. It will backfire.😂😂😂hehehe
1. There's no way to know if his tweet had any influence on the idea
2. His problem wasn't with the idea of having a separate award for sprinting, distance, and field. His problem was that there was no communication on this change, so he had no idea it was going to be like this.
He was more confused than anything else.
@@electric336 Yep of course.
@@evelynhernandez763 stfu it’s nobody’s fault that black people are the ones winning the most. That does not mean we should just hand white people an opportunity. I recommend you don’t say this comment anywhere else because it was stupid af
I'm sorry but Sifan Hassan had one of the craziest years ever. Kind of hard to not give her some more recognition. She won Chicago and London marathon using them as training blocks for the track I'm sorry but I think that deserves to be at least in the top three women for the year.
Yeah there were a lot of choices I didn't understand this year.
She also lost 2 finals. Didn't you hear the criteria? At least a world champion or record holder during the year. Who would she uproot?
Not telling anyone is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. How could they be so incompetent?!
Jakob was robbed of World Athletics Athlete of the Year. That man set 2 new world records, numerous all time performances and was 99% undefeated (only true loss was in 1500m finals) throughout his season across multiple distances ranging from the 1500m - 5000m. Disappointed he wasn’t even considered for the top 5 either.
He was not robbed,he was going against Noah lyles, do you think he deserves to win ahead of him. Also he didn't get enough votes
Agreed.
I'm just sad that Jakob didn't even make to the top 5 😔
Should have been #1 imo
It’s a voting issue
Must be a back story we don't know about
You can't lose at worlds and win athlete of the year, not when all your competition won
Gotta win Worlds to be "world athlete of the year" 😅
Imagine setting a new WR and winning everything in your path and still being considered behind Noah Lyles as the best athlete of the year...
And what about Jakob? How is he not there?
Jacob will never win athletes of the year,when the s#@t hit the fan athletic association hands will be clean.
But how many gold medals though?
*Jakob@@michaelash2429
@@kc5466 How many can Duplantis win? There‘s only one pole vault event. Besides, it‘s not like Noah ran the 4x100m by himself.
It‘s like comparing swimmers to t&f athletes. Swimmers have so many events available to win more medals. Wtf is Ryan Crouser gonna do?
@@wss33 so someone that mastered two events should be behind the person that mastered one? As for Ryan and mondo during the season they both got defeated by someone in their specialty event. As for Noah he remained unbeaten in his specialty event and won gold in another. By the way if you didn’t notice mondo did win and also he won twice before. So winning that award is not a problem for him despite only mastering one craft.
There should be 1 overall athlete of the year. And then separate less prestigious but still meaningful awards in the categories lyles suggested
Millennials award systems- everyone is a winner! Lmfao
Yeah but all those people are winners
These people are world champions and/or WR holders...
@@Astro2024 there’s only one aoy award for over a hundred years - stupid millennial
@@nickatnite16 lmfao - for over a hundred years there’s only been on aoy - stupid millennial
@@nickatnite16 lol - everyone is an aoy! Lmfao
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-Overall athlete of the year. Can also win most impressive performance Trophy
-Most impressive performance on the track, in the field, out of stadia. Meaning like at least 3 finalists from each. Medals
-Most improved is a good one. A plaque.
-Honorable mention given to athletes that made the cut, but weren't selected... Plaques
I'm just glad Kitum got recognized
The split makes sense but this is something they should have implemented over a decade ago already. And certainly not to surprise them
Exactly.
they should've made crouser beat duplantis too
@@lol-gb5vt lmao what if we want to talk about dominance on the field duplantis may be the most dominant athlete ever no one can even compete with him hes a field wizard
@@wxbrainiac idk man that seems true but considering crouser being a couple cm away after a blood clot is one of the craziest moments of the year certaintly, kinda upset that duplantis only takes it 1 cm up each year for a paycheck but it is what it is ig
They should not pick a group of athletes from which to choose a winner. They should just announce a winner in each of the three categories without whittling it down before hand. This would be more suspenseful.
Ryan Crouser was robbed 😞!
He shouldn’t even have been in the final 5 lmao - Jakob should have been in there
@@brianbruno1786 What's your reasoning for Ryan Crouser not being in the top 5? I don't think you can make a good argument for that that doesn't boil down to "I don't care about shot put"
You can give out separate awards, but there still should be only One Athlete of the Year.
Trying to limit it to one Athlete of the Year would be opening up the awards to competitors in other athletic events such as ping pong and badminton.
The lack of communication from WA made matters worse. You are right, this feels like a participation trophy.
Simply, it's expectation vs result. These athletes expected to have their seasons compared and for two athletes to be chosen. Instead, six were chosen and all were given similar titles. The issue isn't that six people were awarded the title, it's that the organizers did not let ANYONE know beforehand that it'd be like that. That's simply poor mishandling. If they did what happened, then had an overall athlete award, there would've been literally no issue whatsoever.
The thing that makes me confused is that Noah Lyles had ideas for SEPERATE awards not the same awards three times. Also as much as I love Kelvin Kiptum but an international award?
just enjoy the irony. he wanted multiple awards, so they gave one to him, and two to other people 😂😂
A single "Athlete of the Year" is best. It's more prestigious for the athlete and more memorable for the public.
Separating by category will backfire in years where nobody did anything special in that category. It happens.
For example, if Kelvin Kiptum didn't run this year, there'd be no obvious "Road Athlete of the Year". Let alone a shortlist of several men for the award!
The very least they could have done was tell the athletes before the trophy ceremony. For them to find out in the moment was just rude of Sebastian Coe. How would he have liked getting an award with 2 other people when he thought only 1 of them was getting the award as THE best.
The selections were heavily influenced by the political and ideological rather than merit. Such a shame.
I feel like because you have the history behind the award, you need to keep it the way it is, maybe adding separate awards for the individual categories
I totally agree that they should have an athlete of the year for track, field and road, but that shouldn't replace the athlete of the year, they should still choose one of the three to be athlete of the year. I would even go so far as to say they should go one further and have an overall winner out of both sexes, so that there is only one athlete of the year as well as a male and female of the year and make it even more exclusive for that one.
Exclusivity is really important, that's part of why the Olympics are held in higher regard than the World Championships. With that in mind, maybe an athlete of the decade, etc. Either way, as Noah said, there should be a lot more awards. Age group awards, newcomer, specific, events, etc. How crap would the Oscars be, if there was only one award each year.
I could understand if they did like 1st to 3rd placing to change it up a bit but giving them 3 of the same awards for overall Athlete of year feels like. “Hey everyone did amazing so everyone gets a trophy!!! Yayyyy”
We all want to know who was #1 not 3 numbers ones in different fields of work.
I agree with Noah that maybe introduce Best rookie of the year/Most improved or coach of the year. But when it comes to the top top athletes of the year that should be one person that stands alone. It’s like the Oscars or Grammys we can only have one movie or artists (male/female and all the other categories) of the year. If they gave out 3 of the same awards to the other nominees it’s wouldn’t feel special. Yeah members of the committee will pick who they think is best and we might not agree with the pick but that’s what awards are. One person solely at top and that’s it.
Also if they do decide to do this option again they need to make a whole new category when calling the athletes up but I think take the 3 who won their section and pick the best one out of the 3. 🤷🏽♂️ that’s just my humble opinion.
If it was up to me, I would have broken awards out along the lines of what Noah Lyles suggested, but would also have a final Athlete of the Year award from among those category winners.
It’s been such a record-breaking year, so what happens when this year’s nominees performed the same - if not better - than last last year’s winners?
How do we mark this in the history books? More awards to celebrate the depth of the field? Or don’t change anything, even if that means no awards for undefeated finalists in their season who broke multiple world records?
All they have to do is write the winner's major accomplishment in the year with the time and it would be clear that the best athletes would be the ones with the fastest time of all the years.
This reminds me of when I was finished watching Olympic events when they came around ever 4 years. Most of my young life, the most watchable and the most traditional sporting events like boxing, track and field events like the short distance events, dominated commercial viewing of the Olympics. Suddenly, all of these events were no longer made easily available for television. Instead, events like gymnastics, ice skating, volleyball, and even talk of baseball, golf and other events that the average American athlete could not participate in because of the high expense of those sports. This is a very old tactics to recognize groups that normally can't participate in sporting events because they are just not built the same way as the ones that dominate those events. I am reminded of my days of wrestling. My school was very good and competed at a high level throughout the state. The main reason as far as I could see that we didn't dominate this even in the Olympics is because most of us could not afford off season wrestling clubs, and the ability to compete in the off season. When the regular season came around, we just were not on the same level as those that lived in the more affluent communities and cities. I have gone the long way around saying more directly why I believe they have decided to give this award to multiple categories, but if you look at it from this perspective, it will be clear why this decision was made and behind closed doors. Am I bothered by what they did. No. This is how the world works and always has. Some events there is just no way they can dominate unless a certain group is excluded from participating. Some running events in the US don't allow Africans to participate in because over decades, no one else has been able to compete with them. So the rules were changed. This is what's happening to track and field today.
I like that each category track and field gets one because it seems like always just track wins them… however, they should’ve told them that this was how it was going to be in the beginning!!!! But overall I like that separate
They basically did what you do in youth soccer. Everyone get's a trophy and no one goes home unhappy. It's so sad they decided to go this route.
They should have a top track,field, and road racer award then a final award for everyone those 3
It is an interesting idea... The way they dropped the change on everyone is, however, really strange. It feels like something malicious went down, which again has nothing to do with the multiple categories idea as such.
They should do all three but ONE of the three wins 'all around athelete of the year' and the other two win it for their respective event groups... a podium of sorts
Lyles kind of got got what he suggested, but I think he was thinking category winners then an overall winner from those categories, which would seem to make more sense, but really still doesn't rectify the known Track bias. I think it's a good idea as Track is nearly always favoured over other athletics. The mistake was not consulting with the elite athletes, and getting a general consensus. it was a bit disrespectful and a bit of an own goal.
I think his biggest frustration was that the athletes themselves didn't even know about this change and so they had expectations and they were disappointed
Crouser I think deserved it beyond anyone. Not only is he currently destroying his field but he is really competing against himself as he holds the world record as well. Not taking anything from the others but Crouser just dominates without question
Him and jacob dominated this year!!
Not jacob as much more duplantis dominated that him
Mondo Duplantis is the exact same way
@@daiya2051that's a weird way to spell kiptum
Think all of the athletes nominated for top-5 dominated their events, and Jakob also, who was actully not 100% well at the WC, still had gold in 5000 and silver in 1500. (I think a more normal guy hadn't started.)
It's the new softy trend!! One trophy for you, one for you and one for you too!! Eveyone wins!!
5:20 Noah Lyles suggested DIFFERENT AWARDS!!!!!!! Not all awards with the same name. Pretty easy concept to understand 🤦♂️
Frankly, to me it seems like they did this to make sure that Noah got an award. If it came down to one athlete, Kiptum should have won it.
Be it 1,2 or 3, Jakob was the best this year
I find it very hard to disagree with you. Everyone will say the 1500 loss to Kerr, but he still had a silver in it and a gold in the 5000m. But does his legit top 3 status in the mile and the 3000m, WB in the 2000m, and the 2 mile and 4th in 1500m mean nothing? But yea I think it's now going to be a mentality thing for him.....best in the world throughout the season and second when it matters most TWICE! I thought a little bit of humbling with Wightman would be good to humble any ego from popping to the surface but losing the gold twice in perfect seasons is going to hurt lot more than just his ego.
if everyone is special then nobody is
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I do like the idea...but they need to keep athlete of the year as 1 male and 1 female, then have the track, field, road race as a subset. In oder to be the athlete of the year you have to win a subset first to qualify in the running
I like the idea, but think there should be one of the three to be the overall athlete of the year
Now the award doesn’t mean as much
I'm pleased to see World Athletics handing out Awards in three categories for females and males. We, in the Statistics realm, had suggested such an initiative years ago, when we also pleaded with the 'Powers-that-be', to cancel all World Records and Best Performances achieved prior to 1st January 2000. Standards for new Records would be at 90% of the pre-2000 marks. We felt that it was extremely unfair for athletes in certain events (you can guess which ones) had no chance of ever getting a Worlf Record Bonus payout. Tony Hunt, World Junior Athletics News NZL.
I agree there should be different categories but there should also be overall athlete which I would give to Noah or Kiptum
I think there should only be one award. Don't even split it up for men and women. One winner takes all award.
The governing body is a private entity with no accountability, they can do what they want when they want. This is not unlike people sharing the Nobel Prize. It’s not always going to be announced that two scientists will be getting the Nobel Prize. But I guess the fact that it was not announced or hyped up ahead of time is probably what makes it sting a bit. Athletes like Noah Lyles almost has to have a big ego in order to have the kind of confidence it takes to perform. So having to “share” the award, or more precisely being part of the first year of a more inclusive award, has got to be a hit to the ego.
Going into indoor season … Can you please please do a video on how RARE it was for the 2017 women’s Oregon Track & Field team to win the triple crown ? I’d love to hear your insight … please 🙏🏾 - from a UO triple crown member :)
damn that's kinda mess up. I mean noah's idea of more awards was a good one but they took it south
**The method for scoring the decathlon tables solves this problem.** Points are awarded to the rarity (level) of the performance. The points are calculated via a coefficient that references a huge number of real historical performances. So, it's possible to compare performances from different events using this method. So you score more as your performances reaches an (asymptotic) point, since the closer that coverges to a theoretical max, the closer you are to being the only person ever to do it. Therefore, your performances is increasingly rare, which makes it sore higher points. From there, you could be deciding how to aggregate points, whether it's via the mean of a top-5 performance per athlete or something.
But it sounds like WA has become fatally stupid.
I like the idea of their being a track/field/road racing athlete of the year award. But you also should have an overall athletics men’s and women’s athlete of the year award. Kinda like how in the NFL for example you have the MVP, offensive/defensive player of the year and offensive/defensive rookie of the year awards
That's cause Coe is still scratching he's head over 4.43 and 7.54
It should be 1 woman winner and 1 male winner
One other problem is that the title "World Athlete of the Year" ignores athletes competing in non-athletic sports such as swimming, weightlifting, badminton and thousands of other sports. Should be renamed to "World Athletics Track Male/Female of the Year" or similar.
I think all Track and Field Athletes it's important to recognize the hard work and dedication that all track and field athletes put in, regardless of whether they win or lose. While some may see "Athlete of the Year" awards as unnecessary, they can serve as a way to highlight the exceptional achievements of those who excel in their sport. and Field
I think this new award system is fantastic. Love it.
I think doing it like other awards would be better if youre gonna have multiple. You can recognize the top of each respective field, top performance, or anything else. But Athlete of the Year should stand alone imo
I think it's great having category awards because it's a shame when some people feel overshadowed but don't just spring it on people!
I agree this was a mess. there should have been only one athletic of the year , if they wanted to give more awards they should have just name them differently. 😂
Do what T&FN does: separate awards for track and field (I’d leave road/marathon/XC as part of track, but that’s debatable), then an overall winner
how the f is Jakob not in contention?
I think it was Lyles' tweet and TRPs video on the topic. There should have been communication but this is par for the course for EU governing bodies. They love their secrets. 🤫
I like the idea of splitting them up! Determining the best athlete across all disciplines - track, field, and road - is like comparing apples and oranges.
I’ve been using this phrase for a long time, but I called this Woo notification of America or maybe it’s ossification of the world!!
Host: And the winner is Noah Lyles
Lyles: Thank you! thank you!
Host: And 2 other people
Lyles: what?
Host: You won athlete of the year, but only in track
Lyles: But we already knew that
This was clearly a slight to Noah Wiles, obviously. They took away his real athlete of year award - AND THEN BLAMED IT ON HIS OWN TWEET! They served that dish COLD. Somebody on that committee didn't want him having the award so they cut it in 3.
Duplantis or Crouser should have been the only ones on the men’s side. Both break WR’s each year. How many WR’s does Lyles have again?
It is not a world record award. Noah has more gold medals than both of the athletes you named combined this year so that comes in to play. Usain broke the world record twice but got the award 6 times.
@@kc5466bolt didn’t break the WR twice it was actually 5 times individually and 4 times as a team (one was rescinded eventually)
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 I was not including the 4x100 records and I was counting the seasons he broke the individual world records in. Which was 2008 and 2009 which were the years he got the awards most likely for winning and breaking the records. In 2012 and 2016 no individual world record were broken. Usain obviously got the award for the amount of medals he he had those seasons as well with the 2011 and 2013 seasons. Similar to Noah this year getting the award for the amount of medals he got as opposed to individual records being broken.
The split does make a lot of sense, but yea should have been announced way before hand.
Also would be interesting to know how the decision is made, for example if a points decision is used, which carries more weight, a world record, a world championship gold medal etc. Also I am not in agreement that a gold medal or any medal in a relay should hold much weight as it is a "team event", hope that makes sense.
Also why was only Noah Lyles interview posted on this video? Was he the only one interviewed? How did the others feel about this? Even Faith (as she was the one listed as female athlete of the year on the web page), why was she not interviewed, or why wasn't her interview included in this video? By doing this it gives the "opinion" that in your eyes, Noahs achievements for the year are better than the other 5 amazing athletes who also won. Come on, do better.
As an ex National Coach in Decathlon 2004-2021, I always hated the American way of thinking, if you are first you win, if you are 2nd you lose.
This way kills any motivation long term.
They did what was needed to be done long time ago.
Think of it this way, why 3 medals?
Jakob Ingebrigtsen and Sifan Hassan got robbed from top 5 imo. I would say that Kiptum definitely deserved his recognition here.
So where will we put decathlon?
It's wild that they didn't say it ahead of time also there should still be a final athlete of the year award kinda like how there's offensive and defensive player of the year in nfl but also mvp
So if you were to reward a deca/heptathlete, would in it count for track or field?
Participatory trophy era
The overall concept works. But it just makes the award mean less for those who should get it. While this year it makes sense as separating Mondo, Kitptum and Lyles (just using the mens side for an example) because each one of them were unbeatable in their respective events, it takes away from those it should go to when its more obvious (such as when Bolt or El Geurrouj won).
Let's make it more confusing and add Ultramarathons! Walmsley 👑 Duawalter 👑
This would have been great if they just had 5 finalists for each category
They should have an award for the best performance enhancing drug! 😂
Or which athlete banged the most athletes award
I believe this is the best award format because it reflects the true picture on the ground. nothing has changed significantly with regards to the old format as Noah Lyles getting athlete of the year.
The addition to other disciplines makes the awards more meaningful as it reflects on (extraordinary) performance at individual level. As usual track category has stiff competition.
How do you choose between Duplantis or Crouser? I love this idea!!!
There's is nothing wrong with awarding more persons...I like the idea.
He's not sharing..he has is own award.
Wow... Participation Trophy mindset is starting to hit the top if athletics 🤦♂️
I think the distinctions make sense. As track events naturally draw more interest than field and off site events. When someone from the 200m world record the same year the marathon’s WR is broken, even if it’s by the same margin, we know who of those two athletes will win the award.
The lack of comms is poor though
I agree it's a poor way of handling but honestly i like the idea. I find incredibly difficult to compare performances across such different disciplines. Arguably, the marathon and the triple jump are more different than basketball and horse riding. To me, it does not dilute at all the concept of the award. If anything makes it more fair. Still, I find some problems in these categories. It's not very clear to me what out-of-stadium means (it gotta mean the marathon isn't it? did anybody care about kiplimo's 15k world record?) Also, is race-walking in this category? if that's the case why spanish alvaro martin and maria perez, both double world champions and world record holders in the case of maria, are not in the list? Is this a popularity contest or an "objective" award? Good idea, poor implementation, many doubts
It definitely does dilute the prestige.
@@augustusfreeman4032 Is LeBron any worse of a basketball player because Messi is a great footballer? Perhaps the award was slightly unfair to start with?
6:51 it is not a participation trophy! There are 49 event at the World Championship level of athletics each event has at least three medalists, and a whole season, and the potential for a world record upon which to judge each athlete.
You can award multiple athletes and still conserve the tradition and the awesomeness of the big award: you give mentions of honor in the categories, but keep the big prize for the absolute best. There you go
They should have top athlete in each event and then above that the athlete of the year
Sounds about right👍
Here for Noah. ❤🥇🇺🇸
“When everyone is super, no one will be” -syndrome
I have no problem with 3 winners but their should also be an overall female and male winner.
Gotta be like the nba. Most improved. 6th man. But most importantly, MVP
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These awards, like various acting and music awards, mean absolutely nothing. I am surprised the athletes even attended this ceremony.
Athletics should have one extra award: actual athlete of the year, how it used to be. Then, dicipline athlete of the year; best track, field and out of stadium (road) as a secondary.