The training I got in the fleet, by seasoned combat vets, was the best I recieved in the Corps. The schoolhouse gets you the basics, but the fleet is where you really learn.
Those Marines already in the Fleet at their new units won't give a Damn how trained they are. The real training comes when you get to the unit. They'll be the Marines that teach you how to be a Marine and how to survive.
They won't say that, let's be real... what will happen is they will be more up to speed for continued fleet training... not sure why so much negativity???
@@deeman7273, Right? I would have loved it if my boots had this training (watch Part 2, especially). I am there to mentor and provide real-world experience to add to this foundation, which is frankly better than what I got in 2005.
This is what’s SUPPOSED to be taught, when I got in it was the basics of the basics with the infantry. How’s your weapon operated at a basic level? How do you solve a basic malfunction? The basics of fire and maneuver and such. No real medical, nothing of the sort. All the stuff they’re learning was taught at your unit and passed down soldier to soldier. This is great
It makes me feel old knowing that these Marines are just now learning how to play chess. I used to struggle finding people to play against, let alone fellow infantryman. Don't even get me started on the looks I would get when bringing it up.
Transforming the Corps newest grunts into 21st century warfighters. There is a feature article from the May 2021 issue of Leatherneck magazine describing this new training program as well. My first impression is that the newest warriors will be better prepared to handle the 'fog of war', the OODA loop, and the enemy gets a vote in battle situations.
I did. When I went from a being a CPL in the Marines to a PFC in the the Army after my first enlistment ended, I DID know more than the E-6 that was my NCOIC. I had more people and responsibility as a corporal in the Marines than an E-6 does in the Army (sorry, that's just a fact). Needless to say, we didn't get along. This shitbag even tried (DURING THE AWARD CEREMONY) to stop my promotion. Needless to say I got promoted BACK to cpl.
@@mannybenite9422 POG Cpl here but i wanted to ask you about that from your stand point cause im tired of being in the rear, what advice would you have going in with a bunch of devils that are fresh out of boot and me and NCO?
Hypothetically, you would want your junior enlisted to be better than you in some capacity. Thats how they grow to be good leaders, and teachers. For when they become seniors in their section, squad, and fire-team they can out perform others and provide better knowledge and skills.
I get the Concept, it requires full purchase, conceptually Every 03 Marine will become an operator. Responsible to the ebb and flow of their existence in the Corps. Capable of being TAD, FAP or as needed by the mission of the Marine Corps.
So the marine core changed their infantry school from 9 weeks to 14 weeks, the army changed their infantry osut from 14 weeks to 22 weeks, makeing infantry men capable of more indipendant thinking in leadership roles. One good thing the marines added was chess because apart from forceing the enemy to respond you have to see that your action will also force you to see the losses that will amount to poor strategy makeing as opposed to good strategy makeing like in chess.
Anyone seeing this. STRETCH. I went to ITB in 2020 and ended up getting medically sperated. I have multiple herniated discs that I suffered throughout boot camp and all the way through ITB from hiking. I could not tie my shoes, sit on the toilet, or do anything without my fellow Marines help. My herniated discs are so bad they cause radiculapathoy in my legs, leg spasms, frequent urination, migraines, my leg twitches so bad I need a cane 2-4 days a week and it aches my knees. I can barely sleep at night because of the pain, I'm only 21 mind you. Please stretch, ice, properly hydrate. I really do not want to see any of my brothers get injured and medically sperated like I was especially during down sizing. Everyday I want to off myself because I miss the Corps. If you do get hurt go to medical and ask for an MRI. The corps gave me an X-RAY (it won't see herniated discs.) And they said my back was fine. That it was due to bad back posture. They denied me an MRI. (Contact your Chaplin.) I came home and got an MRI by my doctor. Herniated discs. The Marine Corps fucked me physically for the rest of my life.
Its very interessant to see waht' s make the US Army-Military . I will say that's i have so much respekt for all womens and menfolk in the Millitary, the working for their Country and the World . Super 👍
The Army thanks you for producing better trained Marines. The transition will be easier for them when they inevitably transfer over so they can actually have a chance of seeing combat.
Just saying, just because a course is longer doesn’t necessarily create a better infantrymen. The infantrymen coming out of the extended SOI course at Benning right now don’t know that much compared to when I first started back 7 years ago. So is longer better? No from my experience with my new privates.
I would argue a longer training course is a good thing. That said as an old school 11B who wore BDU's the real training begins once you get to your unit.
Looks like more learning is occurring than when I went through ITB. Haha. Although some things I have read I don’t like or agree with as far as change in the Corps, it looks like they are shaping better Marines in my opinion. I get that this a video where those instructors know cameras are rolling but this does seem to show that the Marine Corps is trying to have skilled and knowledgeable Marines
What’s up with the all the hair l, when I checked in to ITb as an 11 you better be rocking a high high high n tight or be shaved. I wasn’t able to really have hair till after my first deployment to Afghanistan
K i need to know what kinda glass they were using in the beginning of the video on the new weapon system???? It was bad ass seeing the transition from iron sight to acogs and now this.
Squad Common Optic (SCO). It can be fitted to both the M4 carbine series as well as the M27 IAR and is a magnified day optic with an illuminated and non-illuminated reticle. The SCO will initially supplement and then replace the Rifle Combat Optic (RCO) and the Squad Day Optic currently in service with close combat Marines as the earlier optics wear out. 1-8x VCOG
These kids are being shorted on stress inoculation and are gonna get shat on in the fleet because they are only as useful as someone whose been in the fleet q
Somewhere out there, the enemy are using all your videos as a training instructions against you. Just like a puzzle, each small piece can create a big scene.
Irrelevant, most countries use similar tactics and knowledge of our tactics won't save them if we end up above the power curve in a battle. They will know what we will do and can do nothing but watch it unfold.
Looks like they are going back to when I was a young boot! Difference is I had to do MCT and SOI(yes, there was a difference back then). We didn't have the new high speed, low drag scopes, or any sight for that matter nor did we conduct fully student led mock engagements, (if I understand that correctly), that's a good change. When I was in, we were trained to be a "leader" from day one! As far as teaching chess, using the actual game and pieces is shit! Teach the "concepts" with the use of individual, fire team, and squad fire and maneuver, you know, practical app. How to truly "adapt and overcome"! But hay! What do I know? I'm just a dumb Grunt! Semper Fi!
I'm probably more afraid for these young bucks than I ever was when I was at their age deploying overseas.I just remember how dudes were trying to deploy in the 00's just for that quick cash, and the potential of getting a purple heart license plate. This all feels different, the build up. the way all the world powers are all restructuring their forces ... whatever is on the horizon, it's gonna be way more awful than the GWOT. .
@@noahc4693 seems like you're the one with a chip on your shoulder. I don't see how someone who's brand new has a chip. I think you're just jealous they got time to think for themselves instead of being told what to do like a child
2021 USMC School of Infantry West | Infantry Training Battalion | Part 2/2
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The training I got in the fleet, by seasoned combat vets, was the best I recieved in the Corps. The schoolhouse gets you the basics, but the fleet is where you really learn.
Fleet vs ITB doesn't mean shit unless you have a few active deploys under your belt.
It’s gonna be great when they get to their units and told to forget everything they just learned. Things never change
Lol facts
Sadly that will happen, usually by bitter nco's or 4 year Lance coporals on their way out...
@@deeman7273 show us on the doll where the senior lance corporal hurt your feelings
They said we would be better trained than the guys in our units when I was at SOI in 2003.
maybe thats what general berger should try to fix
The real training comes when you get to the fleet.
@@ILovePie53 Yes.
@@ILovePie53 Maybe you went to a shit unit then.
@@ILovePie53 No one calls it a dorm.
@@ILovePie53 Whose we ?
@@ILovePie53 What was your MOS?
Those Marines already in the Fleet at their new units won't give a Damn how trained they are. The real training comes when you get to the unit. They'll be the Marines that teach you how to be a Marine and how to survive.
That BC just screwed those boots. I can't wait for them to show up in the fleet and tell a salty Lance that they know more than them.😂
Not like they’d do anything
@oscar robledo all of which will be data dumped within two weeks of getting to the fleet.
@@kuzol3250 😂
They won't say that, let's be real... what will happen is they will be more up to speed for continued fleet training... not sure why so much negativity???
@@deeman7273, Right? I would have loved it if my boots had this training (watch Part 2, especially).
I am there to mentor and provide real-world experience to add to this foundation, which is frankly better than what I got in 2005.
This is what’s SUPPOSED to be taught, when I got in it was the basics of the basics with the infantry. How’s your weapon operated at a basic level? How do you solve a basic malfunction? The basics of fire and maneuver and such. No real medical, nothing of the sort. All the stuff they’re learning was taught at your unit and passed down soldier to soldier. This is great
Wow! As a former infantry Marine of 20 years, these young Infantry Marines are better trained today. It’s very meticulous!
It’s weird seeing a Marine play chess, instead of just eating the chess pieces
All the pieces that was taken from them... They have to eat... Works better that way
Nah, we eat whatever we can get our hands on!! Semper Fi from an old Marine!!
A Chinese General created the game of Chess because he used it as a tool to get his troops to think in Battle.
When was chess implemented in the Marines?
I thought if you didn't love this career, you wouldn't have been patient with this training, I hope everyone's safe and healthy. Good luck,everyone.
It makes me feel old knowing that these Marines are just now learning how to play chess. I used to struggle finding people to play against, let alone fellow infantryman. Don't even get me started on the looks I would get when bringing it up.
For Mé, it’s pretty hard to find pogs such as myself that play chess
We have games of chess going on during our libo sometimes here at itb
I used to love playing the foreign troops overseas.
Marines single-handedly keep trijicon afloat
Transforming the Corps newest grunts into 21st century warfighters. There is a feature article from the May 2021 issue of Leatherneck magazine describing this new training program as well. My first impression is that the newest warriors will be better prepared to handle the 'fog of war', the OODA loop, and the enemy gets a vote in battle situations.
when the brown skinned marine put the brown camo on his wrist that took me out LMAO
🤣 we all bleed green. Understand !
Lol
To be fair, camo doesn't reflect the same as bare skin, even if it's brown
I am a Soldier but I would love to see a new PVT tell an NCO they are better trained then they are.
They will be trained to face Ivan and Han first not Hahge. That is very Important these days.
I did. When I went from a being a CPL in the Marines to a PFC in the the Army after my first enlistment ended, I DID know more than the E-6 that was my NCOIC. I had more people and responsibility as a corporal in the Marines than an E-6 does in the Army (sorry, that's just a fact). Needless to say, we didn't get along. This shitbag even tried (DURING THE AWARD CEREMONY) to stop my promotion. Needless to say I got promoted BACK to cpl.
@@mannybenite9422 POG Cpl here but i wanted to ask you about that from your stand point cause im tired of being in the rear, what advice would you have going in with a bunch of devils that are fresh out of boot and me and NCO?
Hypothetically, you would want your junior enlisted to be better than you in some capacity. Thats how they grow to be good leaders, and teachers. For when they become seniors in their section, squad, and fire-team they can out perform others and provide better knowledge and skills.
@@cczz0103 big difference between better trained and combat hardened.
I’m in bravo rn and these guys are still here
I spent way to long at soi in that course lol
I’m so biased but Marines are getting better and better!!! I love it!
Stop talking about crayons!!!
@11:00 had to do that range when it was pissing sideways, you’d run up and then slide down 😂
They're taught chess to "help create a greater thinking environment." Yep, definitely sounds like infantry school.
@Robert Caspari IMO, snipers are just mathematicians who are really good shots lol
My life my passion my daily life I love this life US MARINES FOREVER🇺🇸✨
I get the Concept, it requires full purchase, conceptually Every 03 Marine will become an operator. Responsible to the ebb and flow of their existence in the Corps. Capable of being TAD, FAP or as needed by the mission of the Marine Corps.
So the marine core changed their infantry school from 9 weeks to 14 weeks, the army changed their infantry osut from 14 weeks to 22 weeks, makeing infantry men capable of more indipendant thinking in leadership roles. One good thing the marines added was chess because apart from forceing the enemy to respond you have to see that your action will also force you to see the losses that will amount to poor strategy makeing as opposed to good strategy makeing like in chess.
Their infantry training isn't 22 weeks, their overall training for infantrymen is 22 weeks. Army boot camp first, then Army infantry training.
Anyone seeing this. STRETCH. I went to ITB in 2020 and ended up getting medically sperated. I have multiple herniated discs that I suffered throughout boot camp and all the way through ITB from hiking. I could not tie my shoes, sit on the toilet, or do anything without my fellow Marines help. My herniated discs are so bad they cause radiculapathoy in my legs, leg spasms, frequent urination, migraines, my leg twitches so bad I need a cane 2-4 days a week and it aches my knees. I can barely sleep at night because of the pain, I'm only 21 mind you.
Please stretch, ice, properly hydrate.
I really do not want to see any of my brothers get injured and medically sperated like I was especially during down sizing.
Everyday I want to off myself because I miss the Corps.
If you do get hurt go to medical and ask for an MRI. The corps gave me an X-RAY (it won't see herniated discs.) And they said my back was fine. That it was due to bad back posture. They denied me an MRI. (Contact your Chaplin.) I came home and got an MRI by my doctor. Herniated discs. The Marine Corps fucked me physically for the rest of my life.
I never stretch because I don't see a reason too ss I'm always fine without it but after reading this I will start stretching especially before pt
More practical advice I'll add. Strengthen your transverse abdominus muscle. It strengthens your core, spine, back muscles.
I graduated from USMC Infrantry School San Onefre in 1982. How things have changed.
Its very interessant to see waht' s make the US Army-Military . I will say that's i have so much respekt for all womens and menfolk in the Millitary, the working for their Country and the World . Super 👍
The Army thanks you for producing better trained Marines. The transition will be easier for them when they inevitably transfer over so they can actually have a chance of seeing combat.
Lmao our only deployments are to japanistan
I'll keep praying for you boys :(
Damn can’t wait till they come soo I can give them some good training:)
Warming layers at ITB. We really are living in 2021.
Was in deltas most recent graduate class. The old POI hurts lemme tell you lmao. Wish I had the chance to start the newer course
Training happens in the fleet.
All I remember is cleaning in the Corps, lol. Rah.
Agreed 🤣
Army but cleaning and running every morning.
What an improvement since 2004.
5:24 look who stayed in and became a combat instructor lol
Thank you for sharing the video. Much appreciated.
So, basically, everyone learns mortars now?
Damn they using the trijicon vcog now!?
Just saying, just because a course is longer doesn’t necessarily create a better infantrymen. The infantrymen coming out of the extended SOI course at Benning right now don’t know that much compared to when I first started back 7 years ago. So is longer better? No from my experience with my new privates.
Hehe is longer better
@@rusty7984 lol
Yea I don't think it's better all you need is a basic understanding I'm the school house it's once you get to your unit is when real training begins
true had a 22 week cycle its overrated everyday is a waste most of the time
I would argue a longer training course is a good thing. That said as an old school 11B who wore BDU's the real training begins once you get to your unit.
Sgt Roth was the goat 😂 8:37 coolest guy ever
"Badass"
Chavez is definitely the goat, dude knows his shit
“I was here when you were free now it’s you instead of me.”if you know you know, Charlie company.
I ship out there tomorrow!!
Welcome to the Marine corps, here's your brand new m27 assault/light machine gun/sniper rifle.
Is SOI West still like this? Any recent Marine graduates know?
USMC switched over to LPVO as well now?
Can anyone tell me what the shooting package in IMC west was called again?
I miss the old combat vet Sgt and SSgts that looked like they were in their 40s back when I went through SOI-E.
Looks like more learning is occurring than when I went through ITB. Haha. Although some things I have read I don’t like or agree with as far as change in the Corps, it looks like they are shaping better Marines in my opinion. I get that this a video where those instructors know cameras are rolling but this does seem to show that the Marine Corps is trying to have skilled and knowledgeable Marines
What’s up with the all the hair l, when I checked in to ITb as an 11 you better be rocking a high high high n tight or be shaved. I wasn’t able to really have hair till after my first deployment to Afghanistan
Well marines don’t really deploy to Afghanistan anymore so what you want them to do lol
Do we get to leave base during free time?
I am a graduate of SOI West! OORAH!
slow is smooth and smooth is fast
K i need to know what kinda glass they were using in the beginning of the video on the new weapon system????
It was bad ass seeing the transition from iron sight to acogs and now this.
Squad Common Optic (SCO). It can be fitted to both the M4 carbine series as well as the M27 IAR and is a magnified day optic with an illuminated and non-illuminated reticle. The SCO will initially supplement and then replace the Rifle Combat Optic (RCO) and the Squad Day Optic currently in service with close combat Marines as the earlier optics wear out. 1-8x VCOG
3:56 what kinda chess he playin???
Am proud to be a NIGERIAN ARMY INFANTRY CORP
dude i remember nothing from soi classes i was so tired not even dip and chew could help
lol they let that one guy bring a milk jug to class for his dip spit
Looks like my Alphatraz Alpha is no more
Getting paid to learn how to play chess would be fun
Never thought ITB used chess to teach the idea of battle strategy
"You'll be better trained" don't let that shit get to your head. Your actual training starts when you get to your fleet.
Why the hell are my boys not outside more
No shit, right!?!?
Instructors are probably tired of young Marines losing pieces of their weapons in the field lol
These kids are being shorted on stress inoculation and are gonna get shat on in the fleet because they are only as useful as someone whose been in the fleet q
When did the Marines become so kind and friendly.
Hahahahahahaha you have you seen what its like off camera?
It comes from a healthy diet of a variety of crayons! 😂
5 extra weeks of training and they will be more trained than guys who have 6 month plus deployments? That makes no sense whatsoever
The battalion Commander my God
I live chess, that’s awesome. 🙌🏽
SOI West was the gateway to the Vietnam war. But like MCRD, half the program was dedicated to just cussing everybody out.
Somewhere out there, the enemy are using all your videos as a training instructions against you.
Just like a puzzle, each small piece can create a big scene.
Irrelevant, most countries use similar tactics and knowledge of our tactics won't save them if we end up above the power curve in a battle. They will know what we will do and can do nothing but watch it unfold.
With how gummed up our government is with foreign intervention they probably made the new curriculum. Key word probably
@@Its_shiki_time4876 You ever been in combat against an enemy using your tactic? If not, your words don't mean crap here!!
@@Its_shiki_time4876 he quiet now lmao
Who doesn't play chess while holding a loaded M27 rifle?
Looks like they are going back to when I was a young boot! Difference is I had to do MCT and SOI(yes, there was a difference back then). We didn't have the new high speed, low drag scopes, or any sight for that matter nor did we conduct fully student led mock engagements, (if I understand that correctly), that's a good change. When I was in, we were trained to be a "leader" from day one! As far as teaching chess, using the actual game and pieces is shit! Teach the "concepts" with the use of individual, fire team, and squad fire and maneuver, you know, practical app. How to truly "adapt and overcome"! But hay! What do I know? I'm just a dumb Grunt! Semper Fi!
0:50 for real?
Ohhhh yes
Hi The best child ever
Yo this can’t be real😂
all I’m sayin is if they show up to the fleet and tell a salty ass lance they know more than them they are goin to get their shit pushed in.
As a former army infantryman the fact the majority of marine infantrymen are E-3s and not E-4s blows my mind. The marines making killers on a budget.
My buddy was Infantryman. (:
Marines adapt quicc. Fleet will show u
And they’ll still be treated as boots, you’re a boot till you deploy
I'm probably more afraid for these young bucks than I ever was when I was at their age deploying overseas.I just remember how dudes were trying to deploy in the 00's just for that quick cash, and the potential of getting a purple heart license plate. This all feels different, the build up. the way all the world powers are all restructuring their forces ... whatever is on the horizon, it's gonna be way more awful than the GWOT. .
I like
👍👍👍👍👍
Im a Marine and you lost me at mask wtf
Oh how the Marine Corps has fallen 😢
Chess, not Crayons? Nice!!
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The new IMC boots have been trash
Dang Really?
@@sith_master_shaun yeah, chip on their shoulder and what seems like less knowledge
@@noahc4693 seems like you're the one with a chip on your shoulder.
I don't see how someone who's brand new has a chip.
I think you're just jealous they got time to think for themselves instead of being told what to do like a child
Chess♟, really?! 😂😂
Actually something weirder happened.....they had to save the 60 blacks😊
m27
As an old Marine this is very embarrassing. Is this some kind of effing joke?
What's wrong with it?
whats with the masks, come on, enough is enough
Omg with the tighty whiteys on their face 🙄🙄
The masks look ridiculous.