2011 Ford Escape Front Subframe Replacement Needed (ROTTED OUT)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- North east Ohio and well the air conditioning drain have claimed another Ford subframe! Welcome to part 1 of many (if requested). I plan to do a timing job, oil pan and improve the design of the evaporator box drain in the next video. The car runs great and the rear wheel wells are totally fine still, so being that the price of new vehicles is crazy right now we're going to fix it up a bit. Also this is the Limited 3.0L V-6 so it's not too shabby inside. Thanks for watching!
I have about 200,000 miles on my 2006 Escape. While I was replacing the front seals and oil pan gasket, I found that rusted subframe. I was able to stop all the leaks which is encouraging. You have further encouraged me to go ahead and replace the subframe. Good video. You are good at it.
Thank you, my goal is to get more in depth with the repairs and fun stuff. Time is the only issue currently.
thanks my man, gonna keep my eye on my wifes 2011 escape. it's good to know great car guys like you are out there.
Thanks! Definitely spray it with fluid film if you can
I purchased an excellent rust free used subframe from a Georgia salvage yard for about $150 on Ebay. My 2005 Ford Escape runs perfect and is cheap and reliable. Excellent video.
Thanks and that's another great way to buy them.
Thanks for this video. I have the same problem with my Ford Escape.
You're welcome!
Mine is a 2005, just crossing 100k miles on it, some rust underneath, I need to rebuild the rear right spring bucket. Thanks guy for the video
No problem and that's a decent job, they sell a lot of parts for doing that job.
I love the escape. We own a 2009 with the 4 cylinder, and I just bought a 2010 Limited 4wd 6 cylinder. Just spent $2k to fix the rust on the rear frame of the 09, so yeah, even though it's more than the car is worth, it's still worth it to us rather than buy something else that's not worth what we'd pay for it. At least we know what we have, and we know what we're in for down the road. I fully expect to replace the PTU on the '10, and we're going to have to fix the rust on the bottom of the tailgate. Former owner installed a push button starter bypass rather than replace the ignition switch assembly. Not sure if we'll leave it as is or spend the $50 for the part and endure the hassle of doing the replacement. Also purchased a new Motorcraft battery harness due to corrosion of the factory harness resulting in an intermittent 16.2v voltage spike. Installation won't be fun, but it is what it is. Subframe looks good at the moment, but that's definitely on the watchlist as we live in northeast PA. 170k miles on the 2010, 140K on the 09.
Love your video, keep on making them.
Our 2001 Excursion with the 7.3 is going to need some attention soon as well. :)
The big steel manufactures have been refining steel for awhile now and I feel are now buying from the lowest bidder. We all know how that goes. Check into where automakers are buying their steel!!!!
Thank you very much for posting this! I've been worried about my subframe for a while and I've been applying anti-rust coatings to it like POR 15 even. I'll definitely look routinely in that area for bad damage
Thank you for watching! Definitely rust prevention and modify that AC drain to not drip on the subframe. I'm going to be working on a fix for that shortly. I will make a video with the recap of what I've done rebuilding this escape over the summer.
Scary stuff! on that sub frame. Keep up the videos,.
Right?!?! Thanks will do!
I love Ford Escapes. More content please!
Will do I have a pretty good video coming, actually a couple.
You did good job explaining it .
My wife has a 2010 2.5l escape. In-laws have 2014 1.6 turbo. The 2010 is so much more reliable. 160k miles and still running strong. Only annoying thing with the 2010 had a transmission axle race/ bearing that scored at 60k miles and caused a leak. There was a TSB about it and it wasn’t warrantied.
Yeah they are definitely worth keeping alive in my opinion. The 13-19 escape especially with the 1.6 turbo was a very problematic vehicle.
I had an 2002 and 2003,the /03 had 400,000. Just bought a 2009 as a Nova Scotia winter beater, not bad shape. Rear shock towers can be nasty as well. Great video thanks,ps,i be a dealership parts pro.
Mine just broke last night and took out the axle too on my 2008. This should be a recall as it's a major safety issue. I am surprised Ford hasn't been sued!
I believe the 07 mariner is the same build as the escape, have you found the parts you’re needing? Mine rusted out the night before last.
@@Magerne Ya, the Mariner is the same, just a different badge. I'm in Canada but my mechanic's supplier had a used one that was from down south so he said it will be ready by Tuesday. This problem is very common here.
Me too!!!!
I appreciate the video. The subframe on my sons 08 Mariner broke in the same spot. Ill be helping him replace it in the next week or so.
@ramairgt2 Did you do the job yourself? Did you have a lift or do it on the garage floor? Thanks!
@wiwo3194 I did the job myself along with my son. I don't have a lift just yet but I used some old school heavy duty jack stands and had the front end up about 3-4 feet off the ground. It was fairly simple minus a couple bolts that gave us issues. I actually have pictures of everything
@ramairgt2 that's how I worked for years. I've even had to replace Allison transmissions on the ground.
@@ramairgt2 Would be amazing to see those pics somehow.
@@ramairgt2 How much time did you spend for?
Thank you. Just found a 2010 with this problem for a grand. I'm going to snap it up.
Hell yeah 👍
Just checked my 2011 and there's no rust in that spot. I live in the South. It's a shame this is happening to some people because these model year Escapes are great snow cars - high clearance, large size tires, and 4WD on a lot of models. Does salt on the roads really help with snow? Because it completely destroys cars, so there ought to be a tradeoff, maybe its not worth it. I understand that protection like Fluid Film can help a lot with rust prevention, might be worth looking into since a new part was installed.
We fluid film everything here, I'm a big advocate for proper snow tires. Problem seems to be the people who run bald summer tires year round so they have to salt the roads heavily for the unprepared.
My $500 2007 retired university escape with 80k miles needs the k-frame replaced and it is not worth changing for how rusty the entire body is (Thanks MDOT for the road salt) I only need it to last for the winters. Would that recall bar be good enough for just driving for a few months out of the year and where can I buy it?
I would think it would be definitely make sure there's no open campaigns at the dealer It might be a free install. But you can buy them at the dealership or build your own for a temporary fix
Video for removal and installation? Would be so so so helpful- would like to replace it next week.
I'm sorry I was pressed for time and couldn't upload a full step by step. However I did a quick rundown, also sorry for the late reply.
Part is coming in tomorrow for me to replace need that video ASAP
Do you need a video on removal and install?
@@unorthodoxridezthat would be nice
I hope you can do a quick how you got it out and a video on how you put it in. Trans guy AFTER HE DID THE JOB gave me pics of frame. I would not have had it done. Now I’m deciding whether to fix this, sell or junk it after I already spent $2,000 on the trans. Frame itself is not too bad price wise but I don’t have a hoist ( I’ve seen vids on the ground 🙄). Anyway I appreciate your knowledge on the subject.
Can do, will film friday
@@unorthodoxridez thank you sir
No prob at all
@@unorthodoxridez I have same car with same issue! VERY interested in your "how you got it out and put in" video.
@@stevew7241 coming soon along with timing job and oil pan replacement. Recently had family events come up that have been taking our available filming time. I do have the parts, just need to get my butt in gear.
I just had that happen to my 2011 Escape today. It suddenly began to pull to the right so I thought I hit something in the road. I took it in for a wheel alignment and the mechanic show me the reason why. My car was rusted away almost like in the video. I was told it'll cost a couple of thousand to repair because of the labor involved. Looks like I have an expensive job ahead of me. My 2011 Escape has 180 plus thousand miles. I was wondering if it is even worth it.
@@tomjamesrh Glad you were able to stop safe. It all depends on what you want to spend. Seems like the average new car payment is 400+ a month.
At the moment in Canada dollars thinking 1500,were much cheaper few years ago.
The same thing happened to my Mazda, the passenger control arm broke off with a chunk of the sub frame hooked on to it 😮
Yikes, hopefully all were ok
Great video, shout out to the camera girl good job.
I just had mine done, very same spot.
I either missed it or you forgot to say it.. you were going to tell us how you make sure this doesn't happen again 🤔
Thank you and she says thank you as well! I'm going to do a video on going to Home Depot hopefully getting everything there to route the AC drain to below the rear of the subframe.
can you find a listing for the extra brace you showed? im not finidn it online. Thank you.
I'm on it.
Great video! My 2011 is ready for a new cross member. You mention solving the AC drain problem that leads to this rot. How is that done?
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90° elbow and a hose that runs past the subframe to drip on the ground
@@unorthodoxridez Thanks for your reply!
I thought the '05 and later was supposed to be OK. We just tore the control arm off of my '05. Luckily, it was panic braking at a low speed. My question is, why was there no recall on the later ones? Did the recall cover a whole new subframe? Is there a case for a lawsuit?
I'm not sure why there isn't a later recall. They all have the same problem.
Whole timming job pl!
Will do
Show us how to install that please
I can do that I plan on doing the timing job this weekend.
@@unorthodoxridez we are removing the kframe from our parts car and then putting that into our daily driver. Hole through both sides on that frame. Could you show us how you removed it and how you replaced it?
@@MattHarold-tu2xm I can do that
Yes! I am planning on doing this job myself so I’m not broke
I looked online. 2000 to 2004 subframes for ford escaped were recalled. Why not the 2011 you have?
Thanks for this! I purchased a 2007 Ford Focus for my son with similar issues. The rear subframe has been replaced but I believe the front will also need to be repaired/replaced. Only 65k on the car, runs great, but damn the rust! My fault for not looking! It had just passed inspection when I purchased it. Thought I was safe. How expensive is the repair?
That's crazy that it passed inspection.... And around 600 for doing this subframe
Thanks for information. If it is only $600 I would be happy! In NY, where they love to regulate, they are actually pretty lenient when it comes to rust on car inspections. Probably due to the fact they put down copious amount of salt on the roads! @@unorthodoxridez
@danielcasey4854 anytime,sometimes I wish Ohio had inspections. People drive the unimaginable here...
Thid seems to be a big issue, how is there no recall? This is extremely dangerous! I just found the same issue on my 2010
I think they're using the age of the vehicle to get out of it.
Jason
I have a 2012 and the right side of the subframe connector/cross member is starting to wear.
Are you coating the new subframe and bar to keep it from rusting out? Are you using an epoxy, rustoleum or some form of a coating to the under carriage? Can you explain a bit more?
Fluid film is what I recommend
I have a 2010 my daughter was driving and found this problem. Shop is quoting $2100 for the job. That includes $1200 for the subframe and 2 control arms. I am wondering where you sourced it for $550. That would make it worth it for me. I want to fix it and sell the car. Any suggestions for sources new or used?
Straight from the dealership
Video for removal and installation? Would be so so so helpful- would like to replace it next week.
Live stream is up now
@@unorthodoxridez 13:26 13:26
Just bought this exact same vehicle. Thought I got a good price on it but just took it for a safety and it has the same problem so they won't pass it. They said with 186 K it's not worth repairing. Of course in Canada parts are double the price you guys pay., It's a shame because it runs well with no trouble lights on in the dash.
That this safety problem has existed for the entire run of this vehicle sadly should come as no surprise. Remember, Ford is the company that gave us the Pinto that had a nasty habit of bursting into flames when rear-ended. .
Yeah that's unfortunate, everything is expensive in Canada these days.
@@unorthodoxridez Ford dealer here quoted about $450 for the part, not as bad as I thought it would be. Since the rest of the vehicle isn't in bad shape I might go for it. Really looking forward to your removal and install videos
Jason, I see you are in Ohio my son has a 2010 Ford Escape and it sub frame is bad. Where are you located and would you be interested in providing me an estimate.
I wish I could help, honestly I'm buried in family projects at this moment. However I do believe even at the dealership it's not a crazy amount of money to get this done.
You are awesome! Thanks for making this video! This is exactly the issue my car had! I almost got into a really bad accident bc of this issue!! You are saving lifes! 🙌🏼🫡
Thank you sir! 🙏
Me 2! Why aren't they recalling all years of ford escape subframes
That's a great question! Maybe one day!
You go to change the piece or no
I need this video to change the Sub frame 😭
@@yancarlosespinoza4139 this is not a how to, more of a check this out to keep your family safe.
I just found a hole smaller then a dime over there and now im worried do you think i should be worried yet? Do you think welding on or panel bonding a strip of metal for reenforcement would be a good idea?
You could do that or fluid film it like crazy and extend the AC drain with a 45° fitting and a hose
I wouldn't worry yet. Definitely take preventative measures to extend its life.
Did you ever create/post a video about the actual R&R of the subframe and how you re-routed the AC drain? I have a 2011 and just found hole in subframe (luckily BEFORE the thing outright broke). I have a new subframe on the way and am looking for every shred of info I can get before I dive in. Thanks!
I didn't yet but I will soon
Can you tell me approximately how long it took you to drop it? What are my chances doing it without a lift (jackstands on the garage floor)? I've got pretty much the full complement of tools (including electric/air impact guns) and have never shied away from tackling my own work (everything from blown head gaskets to struts and bearings, to timing chains and water pumps), but this really looks like it could be ugly without a lift.
Looking for whatever guidance you could provide. It chaps my butt that I never put in a pole barn and a lift...
Thanks @@unorthodoxridez
Honestly if you can handle a timing chain this will be cake for you. I believe it only pays 2hrs book time, expect 4 with rust belt conditions.
You never do get to your point on why it started rusting.
I started feeling like you're trolling everybody watching this😂
Not at all, just a novice TH-camr trying to help. It's the Air conditioning evaporator core box drain dripping onto the subframe that causes this problem. A simple 90° fitting and a hose routed passed the subframe will fix the issue. Sorry this isn't my job I make $0 here lol. Just trying to help.... I'll get better...
Q: What is the standard labor time for replacing one?
3.4 hrs with everything happening perfectly and nothing breaking or needing replaced.
Winter salt roads?
Yes + ac box drains right onto it
I had a question, 2011 V6 AWD. Is that the same part number as the FRD version? Just discovered this on the wifes car.
Yes it is
@@unorthodoxridez I would assume the only difference taking it off with AWD is removing the drive shaft?
If that. I believe it can stay
How did you support the engine
You don't need to the engine mounts hold it
My first Ford, 2012 Escape. They all seem to rust in the same places though.
I'm convinced it's the AC box drain constantly dripping water on that spot when the AC is running
I have a 2008 in Michigan it has 231000 miles on it. My wife got a 2013. We put more $ in to that car than any other vehicle we've owned.
08-12 was a far superior vehicle imo.
Why is the right side and not the left side rusting out? Can we get Ford to replace this in a 2006 escape?
The air conditioning box drains on to the passenger side of the subframe and eventually it rots out. I'm going to create a fix for this The car is almost done and there will be a long recap video. As I couldn't film replacing it or doing the timing job because of time constraints.
In the video you stated that the subframe connector part costs about $550 to get. Can you recommend where to get it for that price? We wanted to pick up the part soon. Thank you
I went straight to the dealership for mine
Everyone here is begging for an 'install' vid that you promised three months ago. You talk about it but I see no evidence that you actually did this job.
I want to know about the rack gear and center engine mount. What's the difference between the 4 and 6 cylinder procedures.
👍 4 cylinder is easiest of the two. We've been helping out with a wedding in the family. I'll post an update today but the full recap is going to be done in the end of October.
Live stream is up now, bring your questions
It's been 3 months, still no removal and install video. Maybe you could post a quick update
I can do a quick dirty update today. Day job is very taxing.
Live stream is up now, bring your questions
Is it possible to repair it before is starts
It is possible if you extend the AC drain to drain past the subframe or away from it I'm going to do that it'll be in the next video
Good video except for the distracting music. Could also use some editing to make it shorter
Note taken silence and shorts
can't seem to find the cross member part with the item # he showed (5:26 mark) Can anybody help?
Check my recent video
Alot of BS.and no info how to replace it
That video is coming if you care to stick around if not there's a lot of other videos out there that show how to. It also says in the description that this is part one.
What's the flat rate hours on that job?
3.4 hrs
@@unorthodoxridez from what book or manual please? Thanks
That's all data pro which is based off of Ford in this case
My daughter bought a 20-year-old Lexus from Ohio the thing ran like a champ 5 years later the entire bottom rusted out 201k wasn't worth fixing.
Northern cars rust quick
Speak closer to the microphone
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Shame on Ford! Quality is job NONE! GM no better because the Equinox, Saturn, Torrent platforms all rust at body frame to engine, front suspension & rear ladder bars. Fatal rust flaw!
Exactly, all oems have flaws for sure
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Northeast ohio
Thanks we're trying!
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@@unorthodoxridez Thank you
Your page would be a lot better with less of that unnecessary talkin you making it too boring get to the point that's what we log on to see not all the talkin trust me
We're learning. Thanks for your input and have a great day ☺️