Bait and switch job listings and false job listings should be treated the same as bait and switch advertising and false advertising. We need more transparency and accountability in job markets. Candidates have been on the losing side of an unlevel playing field for far too long.
@@nickpavia9021 On the same end employers shouldn't be getting government money for hiring more people that the company has no intention of hiring. That is fraud. Most likely this is what is going on they get the gov check, claim people dont want to work and the news makes job seekers look like lazy bums.
@@Info-God if it were capitalism they would get out competed and go under in less than a year. the kind of government regulations at play currently don't allow for much of any competition, which causes bad behavior like this to metastasize as there are no consequences for it. this is corporatism.
I have been seeing these fake jobs for years. People told me I was crazy. I figured it was data mining. It has been very frustrating with these people playing with my life.
It's amazing how a company will layoff people and then a few weeks later hold a job fair. These aren't the kind of people you want to work for, there's no job security. They'll talk about how we're a family or team, but forget your name before you make it to your car if they want to "downsize".
For one of the larger tech companies, I'd see an announcement in the paper of large layoffs. That same day I'd be contacted by recruiters for contract positions to hire for that company. This is happened multiple times.
The only job security is making money for your employer. Yes, some people get laid off without being considered for other open positions. Often, they are simply not valuable workers.
This is going to happen more and more because these companies actually need employees but they want them at a lower wage. They are waiting for people to get desperate enough to start accepting less.
I spent 4-6 hours filling out an application and doing a behavioral test just to immediately get auto rejected after submission. I despise applying to jobs blindly.
I hear that! I now don't waste much time applying. If it is anything other than a resume and a few easy questions, I back out. Too many bogus jobs expecting candidates to jump through hoops.
Those behavioral tests want perfection which doesn't exist. Like they'll hire some sort of Manson-like psycho if you don't match up with 2 of their 50-60 questions.
The reason for "ghost" requisitions has nothing to do with a "pipeline". It has everything to do with HR justifying their own existence. HR employees have to interview to keep their jobs by pretending to continuously interview good candidates. It's self dealing: wasting candidates' time to keep their own jobs.
I was interested in doing HR for some time, but realized it was basically just a different form of sales work. I was trying to get out of sales and anything like it. I’ve talked to so many HR reps that I really got the impression that some were just trying to do their 9-5 and interview x amount of candidates. Others were legitimately stressing about winning over a candidate for a crappy position.
Yes its another example of narcissists in the work place, corrupting the entire system for everyone. These are your turds in the punchbowl. There are more turds now than there is PUNCH.
When I was in college, a government contractor came to campus to give us a test and interview the students. The test didn’t really cover anything that we learned in college and some of the questions seemed to be trick questions. When it came for my turn to interview, I asked the interviewer about the test. She just laughed and informed me that she had no plans to hire anybody. She was there only to assess the quality of students. I was a little shocked that a company would do something like that. Of course, the interviewer was not lying and nobody got a job offer.
Government contractors are the cockroaches of the job market. Absolute worst two experiences I’ve had had been both as a contractor under a DOD contract straight out of the army. The army was a better work environment compared to those two “jobs”.
I went to several job fairs and found out most companies at the job fair are not even hiring. They are just there for facade purposes to make it look like they are helping the community with jobs. The only serious ones were police departments, military, 911 operators, Disney, Universal, and hotels which they let the person know they hired seasonal. Every other employer on site was “play pretend” I figured that out after attending 3 jobs fairs. I asked one of the employers where the site was located and it was a in a totally different city 100 miles away. I thought to myself why is this employer here? There are no relocation packages and the job is not prestigious.
regulated? the gov was giving covid funds to make sure fake job ads were posted so that it was seen that the economy was bouncing back prior to elections
I knew an HR director who posted an HR job that was already filled. Had been filled for years. He did so to keep the employee on their toes as he wasn't happy with their work. The employee didn't even know their job was posted until someone outside of the department asked them if they were leaving.
"Average time for a high skill, high educated job posting to be filled is 45 days." I once had four interviews over fourteen months before being told the position was being converted to an unpaid internship.
This is so messed up to be completely honest. If I found out that my application was held onto with no intention to hire me or anyone I would be pissed. I’m sorry, even if they are saving it for a later date TELL ME THAT SO IM NOT WASTING MY TIME WAITING FOR A DECISION TO BE MADE. Also, to me, it’s a slap in the face to hold on to my application for a later date because at that point I’m not gonna want to work for a company that put me through that. Then companies wonder why candidates make sure they have multiple job offers before making a decision. YOU COMPANIES created this distrust.
I'd never wait for a company to make a decision on my app -- just fire off the app and move on to the next one, because odds are good you'll either never hear anything back from any of them or it will be months down the line when they finally reach out to you.
@@MysteriousFuture I had a company call 2 years after I put in an application once. In that time, I had gone back to school and started a new career. I didn't even know how to respond.
I followed up by email to be told to call the internal recruiter, he said call me I called back to be interrupted with him saying I'll call you, fast forward I got a rejection after waiting for three months...and after seeing this video I now know they never intended to fill the positions that they needed filled...
This is why I started my own business after I graduated. Got tired of playing stupid games with these companies and with HR people who have no idea what they are doing. They were making me fight to get a job that paid $20 an hour and now I make $50+ an hour doing my own thing. Joke is on them!
My last employer had almost 400 job openings. The real truth is high turnover, not paying enough, difficult managers, & those hiring managers who reject every candidate. In sum, there are a mess
"The real truth is high turnover" When I see a company with a lot of job offers open, that's usually my first thought. Either they're expanding really rapidly or they have a high churn rate among employees. Either case is bad news...
The hardest one is when you have no chance at all because they are gonna hire internally anyway, but you still gotta go through the dance and all the interviews as an outsider. I wish they didn't post jobs they weren't going to hire from outside anyway.
@FriskyDingo No. No one is making the company say "I'm hiring this person, so to hell with everyone else". The whole point it to interview and give the job to the most eligible candidate. That could 100% be the internal hire, but that is different than just going through the motions.
Internal? I’ve been trying to move up within the company and still not given the chance, it’s always family members and close friends of the bosses that get it.
Was part of an interview committee for the first time, my manager says to not pass the next person because they were not qualified but had to interview as a candidate filler. Dude had no shot before the interview was even scheduled.
My experience is that over 60 percent of the time, they're posting (perhaps to comply with equal opp laws) for jobs where they already gave a chosen candidate. I've even been to more than one interview for different positions where this is told to me by be hiring manager 😳
100% true. I spoke to two companies who admitted they were taking my resume for a future date. One of them just had a big layoff too. Also, my suspicion on keeping fake postings to “motivate” employees is really designed to make them fear that one of them is going to get replaced so they work harder.
A website? I have not enough skills and time to learn the rest of the skills. I know just a little. In Canada, police from my city promotes reporting job scams via dept called Canada Crime Investigation.
@Andrew Quint Stupid and useless comment. Obviously not everyone has time, money, or knowledge to just start up a robust website of that caliber. Why don't you just stop being dumb?
I remember when I graduated, i submitted a bunch of resumes. I never tailor my resume to an employer and I never apply to jobs that ask for cover letters so i don't feel my time is being wasted. But I remember that a few organizations i applied to called me over six months after i applied. I couldn't even remember them. It was so awkward. Like i kept thinking why would you call me after so long, it made no sense to me. I don't know why employers would do this. It gives such a bad image. Like folks, apply to multiple jobs and don't get excited about any potential employer until you are hired.
I feel you. I know a friend who has applied for a job at a county office, and hasn't gotten response for his job interview until 3 months later. How paradoxical can it be?
...add to that, his interview process went well. However, despite years of experience and a Bachelor's Degree in Economics, he has been ghosted and haven't heard from them ever since.
They have to for EE laws. Thats why bosses cant just promote you, they are legally obligated to pull in apps to avoid lawsuits. Even if they have 0% chance of landing it.
@Tylerian oh yes absolutely. Heck one time I applied for a internal position and I was the first person called in for it and they even admitted they already had the person chosen.
I think you are missing one, they are likely posting a shit job no one is taking/wants so they are posting a shiny pretty one and then trying to sell the applicants on taking a different job. This happened to me with a really bad recruiting firm that first tried to ghost light me into believing my 16 years of experience was worthless then they tried to sell me on this entry level position being grunt labor work at 42. It was a complete bait an switch.
@@GiganFTW They contacted me, I was laid off from having heart surgery, for a maintenance man position at multiple Apartment complexes. I told them if it wasn't a management job I wasn't interested. They said they were hiring managers as well. Oh by the way your 16 years of project management in building hospitals, schools, office buildings, and Military bases really wasn't the same thing and wasn't worth anything. I told her that was the rudest thing I have ever heard a recruiter say and the fact that she said it was all the information I needed to know I wanted nothing to do with you or this company ever. Loose my information. They have since tried to get me to talk to them about 6 other jobs until I called the California head office and threaten to sue them.
@@CallegriaofSoulbound that’s just ridiculous man. I cant even imagine. Well at least they are bringing you into interviews. They just keep ghosting me. It’s absolutely insulting that the recruiter would have the Gaul to say that about your work experiences.
@@dannysdailys granted if you become an employer and know how bad it feels to be treated with disrespect as an employee, you are more likely to become a better employer
@@dannysdailys My go to barber owns his own shop. He has no employees and no boss; it's literally just him. His only overhead is rent and supplies. He advertises via social media and word of mouth. He makes good enough money where he and his family live comfortably and is also the cheapest barber in town. THAT's the dream.
People should worry about whether some companies or fake companies are using ghost job posts to collect personal information. Some applications require applicant to fill home address and it is alarming.
Before opening my own biz, I too considered the privacy aspect of all those applications. So I offered only my social name (example: "Kaye" not Katherine), city and state, unpublished phone and confidential or parent names instead of subsidiary to avoid politics. The employers that called clearly understood I would provide details at first serious interview. No response indicates to me I was correct to not put my business out there!
@@marigold973 Some companies may be using templates from recruiting agents to identify local applicants. Many employers and recruiters will not have much time to check resumes, not to mention addresses, so it does not really matter whether actual addresses are provided before a candidate is actually handed an offer, as long as the address is not too far off. However, this is an exploitable loop hole to collect personal information. Many applicants are inexperienced and desperate for jobs.
@@thomascuvillier7250 It is pretty much the same in most countries. Like you mentioned, many companies are unprepared for such requests and it will be passed to IT departments to process manually if they really follow it through. Also, it is not a very applicant-friendly process; imagining how troublesome it is to inform one company after another over hundreds of applications.
A friend and former coworker saw our employer post her dream job multiple times to “keep her motivated,” aka prevent her from leaving. The job is right there, see? All you have to do is keep working hard to please the boss and eVeNtUaLLy your time will come!
I hate the fact that this is not just an American problem: as a Romanian college student I want to find a part-time or flexible full hours to have more money, I find myself applying to a ton of positions I'm fit for or even overqualified and then notice that the position was never free or it awaits a certain insider.
I recently turned 65, and I’m still employed. I work in industrial sales, and I had a former account that closed their American plant and farmed the business out to their plant in Mexico. The Plant Manager had been there for 34 years. Started as a grunt on the production floor and had worked his way up through the ranks. On his journey, he spent 5 years in HR. He had a very dim view of HR. He told me how the EEOC actually came to their plant and schooled them on how to write up pie in the sky qualifications when this company posted ads on job boards. The Nuremberg defense was “we had no qualified candidates”, then they offered the jobs to internal candidates. The level of sleaze from employers, and government agencies, is mind numbing.
Just lie about having those pie in the sky qualifications. Most hiring managers have no clue about the position they're hiring for so it's not like you're going to get called out in it.
@@squidward5110 Yeah, it’s sleazy when you advertise for the job and interview candidates under false pretenses just to tick boxes and cover your tail with the EEOC, and the EEOC is complicit in the whole process.
The answer to keeping current employees motivated is because they are short staffed and want current employees to think they are working as hard as they can to fill it.
My managers fired people after just hiring them a couple of weeks earlier because "we are in our slow period" and they're trying to save money. Then they cut down the amount of people working per shift. We are each doing twice the amount of work as before without raises. A few days ago, we saw our company hiring on Indeed. We were all really confused.
I love how in every video he's sounding more and more frustrated with employers. It's justified tho, it's crazy how Employers practice these awful things and can get away with it.
@@breakingboardrooms1778 You mean the French mindset that produced an imbecilic revolution which failed so badly to achieve anything that it was ultimately succeded by a more autocratic version of the old system? Not the best idea
i sent some resumes that literally went nowhere for months, they just sit there at "seen" and its so horrible to have no response, not even a rejection
I thought I was crazy…I’m currently enlisted in a reserve status and I have over 7 years logistics coordination, admin & planning experience with an active secret security clearance. I have applied to over 40 jobs in my field just in the last month, and I keep getting rejected, or when I do get a call back, I’ll go through 3 rounds of interviews just to be told “my skills don’t fit the civilian market” or They’ll “keep my resume on file”…like wtf? These companies are truly “window Shopping” for employees and have no real intention of hiring ppl. It’s sick. I’m working 3 low wage, crappy jobs & im about to pick up a 4th just to barely get by…glad my intuitions have been confirmed
I was probably a victim of one of these "jobs." I was in a contract position at a company. They posted a job that i was qualified for, so I applied and got the interview. In the interview, they offered me a different position that paid even more, so I agreed and let them consider my application for that. The position I originally applied for was filled in a week, but the position I switched to needed "budgeting and approval." After 3 months I turned in my notice. I was overqualified and underpaid for what I was doing, but the company did everything they could to keep me there except offer me more money.
I'm constantly getting ghosted or rejected even though I fully meet the requirements. I swear it's maddening and horrendously demoralizing! I have no idea if it's me or if I just can't beat the ATS! I've been job searching for 2 months now, sent out close to 100 resumes to job listings, I've had 6 interviews and 4 working interviews only for it to go nowhere with no response at all. 😢
don't feel bad. Over the last 4 years I put out more than 400 applications and heard back from 6. No job. There's a lot f bait and switch with those who do answer and half the time don't even know the actual requirements. Pathetic.
That sucks! So sorry. I think the economy is about to go to crap so youmight need to move to a growing area which will probably be fine due to high growth. Getting a roommate to help pay rent might be good too
I was a contractor and my project ended on January 31. A few weeks earlier, I saw a job posted on LinkedIn for which I was qualified. I applied through a staffing firm that I had worked with before. I was told that the employer was interested in me, but they were notoriously slow in filing positions. Fast forward to last Monday, when I started a permanent position that I found on my own. The recruiter at the agency said that the same job from January was reposted the day before and asked if I was still available. The employer never filled the position and was probably hoping that no one would notice that they just reposted the same job.
We had a job posting open for months because HR was tossing out tons of resumes. I suspect a number of good ones were bit bucketed but they refused to let us do any of the screening ourselves. We only saw 4 resumes over a 3 month period despite wanting to fill the post and ended up filling the position with an internal candidate. Our HR is also notorious for taking forever to contact candidates, set up interviews, and so on. Sometimes a candidate we were interested in would have talked with several places and gotten a job elsewhere months before HR finally got around to contacting them.
Hi Life After Layoff, My personal story is that the place I work for had a senior techops/help desk position available for up to a year. I originally applied for this position but they demanded knowledge of an absolute ton of different stuff that is way beyond that of a help desk position. They promised this position was available and had several of the tech team scramble to try and get this position to the point that it was causing a negatively competitive environment. I personally was promised I would be able to get this after a few months to familiarize myself with their process. The job was sent to India.
I used to work for a large Tech company. We would lay off 10% of the workforce each November and rehire soon after. Early days it was a way to target poor performers because the company failed to hold leaders accountable for development, coaching, etc. Then it expanded with the media view that companies did not pay equal to specific demographics and incented C-level to have a particular scorecard that showed their group met or exceeded a specific set of demographics. The layoffs target areas that still need to meet those goals and are promoted or hired to meet the goal. Interestingly, they changed their job titles to meet the lower pay band but still had the same responsibilities. For example, the role of a front-line manager was paid $75-125k before being laid off; the new hire would be hired as a supervisor with the same responsibilities but at $50k-$75k. The company met its demographic goal and was able to cut costs.
Yes the BS corporate lingo in the meat of your comment made no sense until the last sentence. That told me all I needed to know about their true agenda for laying off workers (most likely good workers with much more skill and ethics than the "bargain" barrel replacements). It's all about GREED. So these manipulative narcissistic managers with a fake "ASSociates Degree" can receive a big juicy bonus.
It’s worse than that. Many jobs openings real, BUT they already know who they want to hire, but have to interview just to be considered Equal opportunity
Its this that gives good companies bad names. Some still do promote good workers, but you have to "interview" for the job, even if theres only 1 viable candidate. Cuz lawsuits. Get rid of EEO laws and let companies just promote without holding fake interviews. These laws dont really help anyone, just force more apps in, and create work for companies, and give applicants a fake sense of standing a chance.
@@cheesesniper473 👍👍👍💯Go back to doing things the way they were done 40-50 years ago. When the most qualified person got the job, irrespective of race, religion, etc.
I report those fake jobs when I see them on indeed. It pisses me off! These employees should be ashamed of themselves… when they get the backlash and karma.. I’ll be waiting!
They are trying to keep their employees "motivated" by saying there is help coming and the workload (overwhelming most likely) will be relived soon. Then it is followed by six months of "we can't find a qualified candidate". Same as placate overworked employees.
I came here to say this. My background is in trading and finance (the jobs are known to be meat-grinders when you're an "Associate") and there were always about twice as many boxes on the org chart as there were employees working on any given team.
This sounds a lot like what Louis Rossman noted about persistently, for years, “for rent” storefronts in NY city. There seemed to be no real effort to get tenants leaving the area looking run down.
@Info-God This has been going on since the 70's or even earlier. It's just more out in the open now, and more blatantly done. I was always "over qualified" for most positions i applied for. My husband applied for an "open position" just to be told as he handed in his application it had already been filled. The listing was 24 hours old. My son in law took OTR driver training from a trucking company's school. Most of the trainees were NOT hired, and many were fired before their trial period was over. Partly because they just plain sucked at the job (SIL worked his way up to in-truck trainer [next step in becoming a solo OTR driver] and some of his trainees were nightmares), but also because the company got gov't money for training and hiring OTR drivers. The more people they ran through the school and the more listings to hire drivers, the more money the co got. This was all many years pre-C19.
I usually go months and months of applying without hearing back from any of these places and I can honestly never tell if it's something with my resume, can't get past the ATS, or whatever. This would explain some of it, but it only compounds on top of everything else that makes the job market nearly impossible to navigate in this current recession environment. It's BS
I would assume "to keep employees motivated" could be one of 2 things. 1. A threat that basically says you are replaceable. Or 2 They are understaffed and being told that they are looking for new employees to fill the position so that the workload will become more balanced so the employee will feel like you are trying. Even though you aren't.
Yeah there should le laws that ban the posting for fake jobs that employers have no intention of hiring. Imagine a person who is unemployed and really needs a job. Their time is precious because job applications take a long time.
This has helped me figure out a question I should ask after an interview; “when was your last massive wave of layoffs? - is this an active job position you are filling? Who would I be replacing when hired and why were they terminated?”
Hi, I just got my Bachelor Law degree. In Sept I will start with my master study specializing in corporate law. I’d really like to work in a firm that suits my study but unfortunately they keep rejecting me. I was at an international accounting firm for a job interview (job post: paralegal), but they told me that I am overqualified😩 When I seek something on my level, I get rejected. When I seek something beneath my level so I can grow, they reject me due to me being overqualified. Can you make a video about how new graduates can get a job and what we should do?
They are lying to you. There is no such thing as overqualified. You are asking for more money then they are willing to pay for the job or you are likely trying to get into one form of "Good ol' Boys Club" or another, meaning they are not really looking for employees they are looking for people who fit their ideology OR people they know wont cause trouble them. Some jobs are all about who you know not what you know or how good you are at it. Corporate politics including corporate law is that kind of field.
Hi Jen. My advice would be to network like crazy. Unfortunately, the only way to get your foot in the door for most high paying jobs is to already know someone who works at the company you are applying to work for.
There is a solution. Requires having a safety net...aka: traditional family support...then you to open a business...look for customers. Yeah. Traditional family which has been evilised in the last 50 years.
The problem with this is people don't sit on a shelf waiting to go to work. I posted for a job when I was between jobs in 2016. Now that I have my dream job, I still get emails for people looking for my unique job skill set in STEM. I have to tell them, sorry, already fully employed with benefits. Not interested in your entry level position. How many employers think there are qualified seasoned engineers that have been sitting on the sidelines waiting for your call? The ones not yet employed are not employed for a reason.
I suspected for years that companies were doing this for the reasons you gave plus they may in fact be legitimate job openings but they already have an idea who they want for the position and they have no intention of considering a candidate who responds to such an ad but they instead post the position publicly just to keep them out of trouble with EEO.
What's wonky though is if they never posted the ad and just went ahead and placed their preferred, pre selected person in the position, nobody would be the wiser, including EEO and nobody's time and resources would be WASTED chasing a non existent job!!!!
i had no idea how bad this was up until this year, but this has been ongoing for a while now. i spent 2 1/2 hours yesterday going all around town to various places asking for a job, just for them to say they are doing this exact bullshit for a while until their next hiring season. as well as spending hours on indeed filling out applications manually, given pointless assessments, and so much other time and energy consuming things just to never hear back from them. truly does upset me when there are people who really do need a job asap, i am not in this position but i can only imagine those left hanging and how they had to figure it out in whatever way
I remember seeing these when 'want ads' were still in the newspaper. I would call and then be told that it was posted to see what the interest was in a specific type of position. In fact, it was pretty common.
I went for an interview and the job started off as the one which was advertised but ended up as a different job with a lower salary. I started answering all the questions incorrectly to make sure I didn’t get the job. 🤷♂️
@@kristenmoonrise It's an old trick -- one of the first jobs I ever applied for after college back in the early 90's was for a "graphic design" position. They called in about half a dozen applicants they'd selected for a final interview, loaded us into a van to drive us to the "job site" and.... it was selling these worthless coupon books door-to-door. On the plus side, I got to walk around a nice neighborhood and enjoy the sunshine and fresh air while the yahoo I was partnered with got super annoyed that I wasn't doing anything... on the bad side, I coulda been doing something more productive :P
@Olen Cone that's insane 🤯 lol at least the nice neighborhood was the silver lining. It seems that fake jobs have been around for a while but have just evolved with the times. 🤔
Been there, done that... Only, in my case they didn't do the switch until after I had accepted the position. At the first one--to-one meeting after getting hired I expressed my dissatisfaction to the boss. He didn't understand any of it, because the position he needed filled was not the position I had interviewed for. Bait'n'switch? Or just a screw-up?
I'm probably a bit older than the commenters here but I remember another scheme these employers pulled 35 years ago which was to post ads in the newspaper (no online crap back then) for "clerical or office work" and then when you went to apply for the job and sat through a long interview with several other people, it ends up being a vacuum cleaner (Kirby) salesperson job...😏 But they wouldn't advertise it as such because no one ever applied.
That's what I suspected last year. It sure seemed like there were a lot of jobs I applied for that I was eminently qualified for, that I never heard a thing on. I know it's competitive, so I didn't necessarily expect to get the job, but not even an e-mail response, or anything. It was so weird.
Something I’m seeing more and more nowadays are job titles that do not match the job description so that they don’t pay you for what your job actually is. The most obvious is the “assistant” (40k/yr) with managerial responsibilities ($80-$120k/yr) Or the “production coordinator” ($55k/yr) that does all video and audio editorial work with color correction (2 separate positions that pay on average 6 figures each) This should be illegal.
There is a problem with this. Their practice has a cost... They are spending the trust of aspiring employees. When they return later, they will find no one to give them attention. This applies personally. I have done 100 interviews in the past year. Even when I was tailor made for a good job, I was refused. So now, as I get hit up constantly, I don't even care about the emails. I expect them to ask me to interview and then refuse me
They refuse you because they don't want to pay you what you are worth. They are trying to find a sucker who knows just enough to do what they want but will accept pocket change for it.
I think this has been going on since at least 2017. Upon moving to my new city I was so excited to get into the tech field I was in when I originally left it. Went to an interview and seemed to sail through, but then no call back and more posts that were like what I applied to and just different enough to disqualify me, maybe each up to 5 posts later. It boggled my mind. Same company.
the 'motivation' thing is "I KNOW you need help, just keep it up a little more until I hire someone to help!" but they never do and just expect to get 3 employees worth of labor from each employee...
This isn’t actually a new thing. It’s just become more commonplace. Eighteen years ago I interviewed for a job with a major medical provider. Although the interview went well, I didn’t get the job. The interesting thing was, nobody got the job. It was listed for months on their job board. The job was never filled, and it wasn’t because it was a hard to fill position. It just wasn’t a real job 🤷♀️
Only deal with established agencies or recruiters in the area where you're seeking a new job. Reach out to these people and build relationships. Also, completely dismiss any company with a low Glassdoor rating. They tend to churn people, have sketchy job descriptions, and have the kind of culture where they think it's OK to post fake jobs.
Whats the best way to find an agency or recruiter? Im moving states and looking for a job in my next location. The agencies i know of nationwide are shady at best for my field.
I've never had a 3rd party recruiter do anything but waste me time (in my 25 year career). Every job I've found has either been through networking or direct apply via a job board.
Great video! I went through that hell for about 4-5 months. No employment until a short term offer at a warehouse and finally another offer in a trade job 1 month later. I’m honestly pretty happy with what I have, though inflation has made my salary less meaningful. I’ve learned to do prep well in advance and build connections. Employers what to play the browsing game so I’ll do the same, but in an honest way. I hope any of y’all who are struggling to find work in your field will get success. It’s tough right now, but stick to it!
Brian: To your inquiry at 8:03 in the video (SEC and “growth”); the review/audit/examination would focus on: 1. Sarbanes-Oxley (SOX) entity level controls and hire-to-pay testing. 2. Management Disclosure and Analysis (MD&A) comments. 3. Other actions (plaintiff action, EEOC, OSHA, attorney general action) that would “back into” SEC-focus areas. This action would be secondary to a more important issue (Ponzi, asset allocation, etc) Not legal advice (Duh!)😂 Thoroughly enjoy your content!👍 T
The target in auburn, Alabama, does this. I applied and then went to the hiring manager about my application. The dude literally said that they were laying people off and that they kept the positions open for a future date when they could pick from a pool of people that applied. Dude said it would be months before they were going to hire again
Ha. I recently applied directly on a company's website, they answered by asking me to complete a questionaire. Soon, they updated my profile. We hired somebody else who...bla bla bla. Surprise. The jobs (I applied to 3 jobs) were still posted but I could not reapply. And is a well known company.
Omg i thought i was the only one that thought Indeed and Zip recruiter were just ad sites that would just lead future employee into traps when going to companies site is much better.
I had employers reach out to me because my background in environmental but with no official job description. I went through three different interviews just to meet with the hiring manager to tell me that I wasn’t' qualified enough for the position. I mean this would be good to know in the beginning. I asked several times what position I would be applying for and no one had an answer. They just told me that it was in Industrial Hygiene. I pretty much gave them a run down of my experience and what I'm looking for in my career but they never told me the role I would take on until I meet the hiring manager. At the end, It felt like just a waste of my time.
When you're on a team that is shorthanded and overworked, they keep telling you that "yes, we need to hire more people". I assume they would post listings just to back up that claim that they are going to hire more people to help you (to inspire the current workforce), but that wouldn't be very motivating if the position was never filled. It might motivate people in higher turnover jobs to stay longer before they quit, but at some point they will realize they will always be overworked.
One time I was sitting in a place where a recruiter did a bait and switch. I was so mad I just sat there and this other recruiter talking to me probably couldn't figure out why I looked mad and didn't say anything
7:55-it's a threat to existing employees in that position. My wife applied for a job, never got called. Found out through a contact that the manager had posted that because their employees were griping too much and wanted them to think someone was in danger of being replaced.
Literally happens all the time in the medical field. It is not uncommon that the majority of posts are either already filled, on pause, or completely fabricated to try and sell another position.
@DavidReznick, wow, I did not think the medical field would also be plagued by this. Are you talking about hospitals, private practices or biomedical companies in particular?
I was selected for an open position but my employer had to post the job on the open market for five business days before they would hire me. This was certainly a fake job posing because the job was already mine but they had to do this because of company policy. And yes, I am working this job now.
My employer is seeking new applicants and has failed to hire because of the onboarding process is so tedious. For me the physical agility test required me to lie because I just got a bout of plantar fasciitis and I was required to not be in pain amd also not have taken any painkiller before the test. After I was hired we had several more candidate who months after their offer accepted a different job after waiting to get through an extensive background check, a drug test, and a physical agility test. HR took down the job posting because it was driving down our metrics, even though we would hire a new candidate if we could.
This is old hat. I've been interviewed for several jobs that never existed or they never intended to fill with an outside candidate. I'm also a Black woman, and I have been called in for interviews to check the box that they've interviewed a diverse candidate - only to find out later that they never intended to hire me despite the fact that I was an excellent candidate and got pretty far in to the interview process. I'm not shocked that this is happening. Now I will only apply for jobs that I've heard about through my network and I can verify that is real. Creating all this work for jobs postings online is a waste of time
Lady, you got the golden ticket. Diversity hiring should be illegal. Sue them for discrimination SUE THEM ALL FO THIS WORLD A FAVOR. SUE THE DIVERSITY HIRING HOORS AND END THIS TECH NIGHTMARE
The "motivation" they are referring to is telling their employees that they are about to be replaced unless they up their game. "We've already posted your position for your replacement." I've worked for a company that would do that from time to time. I didn't stick around long.
7:34 this means they want them to be fearful of their job being taken by an outside candidate. It’s a fear tactic to boost productivity or make them more pliable. It may also act as a way to encourage a skeleton crew to stick around because the company is trying to hire more staff to alleviate the workload. It could work both ways, just depends on the current dynamics.
This is absolutely what the recruiters at Hays for example had to do. I was an Account Manager there for a few months, and it was so often about getting a huge amount of CVs and connections. My job postings were meant to be an extended networking. Of course they were real jobs, but it was still shady, trying to get as many new candidates, getting their information and contacts and so on. The recruiting on the other side did fake job postings, to get even more CVs and contacts. It's really shady stuff that some companies do. I also had my fair share of interviews for jobs, that never had a chance, because it was just to get my resume or to save it for later.
I question the companies that have a ton of job openings constantly. How can the company even function if they’re missing half their staff?? I always assume they’re either not posting real openings OR updating current listings.
This is so true and they will interview knowing they just keeping the salary line open to put back in the budget with no intention on filling the position smh
I saw this type of activity even back around 2007 economic crash. Wasted hours and hours with what I thought was potential jobs only to learn they were fake. Does some serious mental health damage when you have little or no time to waste
Yep. I've been looking for jobs since feb here, i just got into some kind of bootcamp and the manager just kicked me and 6 more poeple out of nowhere, i didn't bothered trying to ask him why, i'm so tired of this crap. I'm now training by myself and will only work as a freelancer, if this doesn't work, i'll be looking something else to do with my life. I'm already 30, i can't afford to waste my time with this
I noticed that, but only because I have activated email notification for interesting search results. There are certain offers that return regularly. I always wondered what that means: Do they fire their staff in half-year intervals or does the position exist at all… Thank you for this illuminating video.
I noticed this recently in my job hunt. Its kind of insane how many false postings there are and also the companies that are supposed to help you send you just endless fake jobs. I found craigs list to actually be more helpful then paid recruiters who just email you crap.
Very dishonest behavior from a company. If I lie on my application or resume, I deserve to get fired. If a company lies about a job posting, they’ll just keep doing it and get away with it.
The part about keeping current employees motivated is about having your overworked employees think that help is coming soon. I can only imagine what happens to morale when the posting remains open for months.
I am interested in STEM positions around education. So many of these companies are simply looking for content/curriculum creators that they can claim to be theirs and sell to others. Not a FT or long-term opportunity, just only until they don't need you anymore.
I had applied to a position only for the recruiter to tell me it actually wasn’t even open yet and that someone else is already in it and they were in the process of trying to get them promoted so the position will then become available…for some reason I see that they continue to post it on job sites but the guy said it was a glitch in their system
I’ve been applying for jobs as a truck driver and have seen a ton of these postings. I know there have been layoffs and hiring freezes in parts of the industry but you wouldn’t be able to tell looking at job listings. At least most trucking companies have the number for a recruiter you can call to find out if they actually have any jobs available.
Bait and switch job listings and false job listings should be treated the same as bait and switch advertising and false advertising.
We need more transparency and accountability in job markets. Candidates have been on the losing side of an unlevel playing field for far too long.
Employers shouldn't be forced to hire someone though, just to fill a position. In a lot of cases there are no good candidates applying.
@@nickpavia9021 In which case, they just say so and keep screening candidates.
@@nickpavia9021 On the same end employers shouldn't be getting government money for hiring more people that the company has no intention of hiring. That is fraud.
Most likely this is what is going on they get the gov check, claim people dont want to work and the news makes job seekers look like lazy bums.
Too bad the government likes ads like these since they reflect well on them.
@@nickpavia9021 According to HR anyways.
Can't believe this isn't illegal.
Seems very believable because corporations run the country.
There needs to be state and federal legislation against this practice!!!
Hey...is not this the capitalism praised so much?
@@Info-God if it were capitalism they would get out competed and go under in less than a year. the kind of government regulations at play currently don't allow for much of any competition, which causes bad behavior like this to metastasize as there are no consequences for it. this is corporatism.
Exactly
I have been seeing these fake jobs for years. People told me I was crazy. I figured it was data mining. It has been very frustrating with these people playing with my life.
I saw one the other day. The pay range was $80K to $180K. So obvious.
@@markrushtongallery I was not talking about pay range but more like the word salads used for job descriptions. Pay range is another valid point.
I've seen one specific managerial job posting for a local company that has repeatedly popped up in my notifications for at least 3 years.
100% data mining, also phone number collection
@@ChrisHillASMR I have had many days when I sent out resumes and I get several spam calls for the next days.
It's amazing how a company will layoff people and then a few weeks later hold a job fair. These aren't the kind of people you want to work for, there's no job security. They'll talk about how we're a family or team, but forget your name before you make it to your car if they want to "downsize".
For one of the larger tech companies, I'd see an announcement in the paper of large layoffs. That same day I'd be contacted by recruiters for contract positions to hire for that company. This is happened multiple times.
SO much this! If you have opening in other areas, at least give the people slated for layoffs a chance to learn a new role.
SeaFlute1 same here. Google, the same day they laid off thousands of people.
The only job security is making money for your employer. Yes, some people get laid off without being considered for other open positions. Often, they are simply not valuable workers.
This is going to happen more and more because these companies actually need employees but they want them at a lower wage. They are waiting for people to get desperate enough to start accepting less.
I spent 4-6 hours filling out an application and doing a behavioral test just to immediately get auto rejected after submission.
I despise applying to jobs blindly.
I hear that! I now don't waste much time applying. If it is anything other than a resume and a few easy questions, I back out. Too many bogus jobs expecting candidates to jump through hoops.
Bruh I woulda stopped applying after an hour of filling it out. That's insane!
Those behavioral tests want perfection which doesn't exist. Like they'll hire some sort of Manson-like psycho if you don't match up with 2 of their 50-60 questions.
Wow, they rejected you? Usually their bots don't even take the time to respond to me.
@@jonnuanez7183 apply to what you’re qualified for. Cant get a job, have no qualifications…get learnt.
The reason for "ghost" requisitions has nothing to do with a "pipeline". It has everything to do with HR justifying their own existence. HR employees have to interview to keep their jobs by pretending to continuously interview good candidates.
It's self dealing: wasting candidates' time to keep their own jobs.
I've believed this for a while. Or to have a ready list for future to pretend they are busy.
I was interested in doing HR for some time, but realized it was basically just a different form of sales work. I was trying to get out of sales and anything like it. I’ve talked to so many HR reps that I really got the impression that some were just trying to do their 9-5 and interview x amount of candidates. Others were legitimately stressing about winning over a candidate for a crappy position.
Yes its another example of narcissists in the work place, corrupting the entire system for everyone. These are your turds in the punchbowl. There are more turds now than there is PUNCH.
I see.Makes sense G.
Yeah and I think these companies get money from the government for posting jobs somehow but don't intend to hire anyone.
When I was in college, a government contractor came to campus to give us a test and interview the students. The test didn’t really cover anything that we learned in college and some of the questions seemed to be trick questions. When it came for my turn to interview, I asked the interviewer about the test. She just laughed and informed me that she had no plans to hire anybody. She was there only to assess the quality of students. I was a little shocked that a company would do something like that. Of course, the interviewer was not lying and nobody got a job offer.
What's the name of the contractor? If they're going to engage in such deceitful behavior, they should get publicly named and shamed.
@@Milesco - Southwest Research Institute
@@picklerix6162 👍👍👍
Government contractors are the cockroaches of the job market. Absolute worst two experiences I’ve had had been both as a contractor under a DOD contract straight out of the army. The army was a better work environment compared to those two “jobs”.
I went to several job fairs and found out most companies at the job fair are not even hiring. They are just there for facade purposes to make it look like they are helping the community with jobs.
The only serious ones were police departments, military, 911 operators, Disney, Universal, and hotels which they let the person know they hired seasonal.
Every other employer on site was “play pretend”
I figured that out after attending 3 jobs fairs. I asked one of the employers where the site was located and it was a in a totally different city 100 miles away. I thought to myself why is this employer here? There are no relocation packages and the job is not prestigious.
I was telling people this years ago and people gaslit me and now they finally tell the truth. Infuriating. It needs to be regulated now!
Regulated. True.
You re 100, people hate the truth
Same here. I’m glad the truth is finally out.
regulated? the gov was giving covid funds to make sure fake job ads were posted so that it was seen that the economy was bouncing back prior to elections
Can you get me that job of job regulation
I knew an HR director who posted an HR job that was already filled. Had been filled for years. He did so to keep the employee on their toes as he wasn't happy with their work. The employee didn't even know their job was posted until someone outside of the department asked them if they were leaving.
absolutely sociopathic
Sounds like an awful person.
@A Life After Layoff yep, he was. He's no longer there but unfortunately is still working HR elsewhere.
What a nasty person live in hope karma will get them on day I am sure it will🕉❗️
How would it keep the employee on his toes if he didn't know the job was posted? That doesn't make sense.
"Average time for a high skill, high educated job posting to be filled is 45 days." I once had four interviews over fourteen months before being told the position was being converted to an unpaid internship.
This is so messed up to be completely honest. If I found out that my application was held onto with no intention to hire me or anyone I would be pissed. I’m sorry, even if they are saving it for a later date TELL ME THAT SO IM NOT WASTING MY TIME WAITING FOR A DECISION TO BE MADE. Also, to me, it’s a slap in the face to hold on to my application for a later date because at that point I’m not gonna want to work for a company that put me through that. Then companies wonder why candidates make sure they have multiple job offers before making a decision. YOU COMPANIES created this distrust.
I'd never wait for a company to make a decision on my app -- just fire off the app and move on to the next one, because odds are good you'll either never hear anything back from any of them or it will be months down the line when they finally reach out to you.
@@olencone4005, when you already have a job for awhile and are perplexed to why they call now
@@MysteriousFuture I had a company call 2 years after I put in an application once. In that time, I had gone back to school and started a new career. I didn't even know how to respond.
I followed up by email to be told to call the internal recruiter, he said call me I called back to be interrupted with him saying I'll call you, fast forward I got a rejection after waiting for three months...and after seeing this video I now know they never intended to fill the positions that they needed filled...
Never trust recruiters and realtors.
This is why I started my own business after I graduated. Got tired of playing stupid games with these companies and with HR people who have no idea what they are doing. They were making me fight to get a job that paid $20 an hour and now I make $50+ an hour doing my own thing. Joke is on them!
My last employer had almost 400 job openings. The real truth is high turnover, not paying enough, difficult managers, & those hiring managers who reject every candidate. In sum, there are a mess
"The real truth is high turnover"
When I see a company with a lot of job offers open, that's usually my first thought. Either they're expanding really rapidly or they have a high churn rate among employees. Either case is bad news...
How is rapidly expanding a bad thing?
@James Deegan there might be a potential layoff soon, as employers often bite more than they can chew
Yep!
The hardest one is when you have no chance at all because they are gonna hire internally anyway, but you still gotta go through the dance and all the interviews as an outsider. I wish they didn't post jobs they weren't going to hire from outside anyway.
My last interview was that very situation. The company did not have any intention of hiring outside.
@FriskyDingo No. No one is making the company say "I'm hiring this person, so to hell with everyone else". The whole point it to interview and give the job to the most eligible candidate. That could 100% be the internal hire, but that is different than just going through the motions.
Internal? I’ve been trying to move up within the company and still not given the chance, it’s always family members and close friends of the bosses that get it.
Was part of an interview committee for the first time, my manager says to not pass the next person because they were not qualified but had to interview as a candidate filler. Dude had no shot before the interview was even scheduled.
Too bad the government forces them to do this.
Yay democracy
My experience is that over 60 percent of the time, they're posting (perhaps to comply with equal opp laws) for jobs where they already gave a chosen candidate. I've even been to more than one interview for different positions where this is told to me by be hiring manager 😳
I would agree with that. Usually an internal employee.
Isn't it mostly universities, government, or big corporations doing this?
I've worked for places that do that. I hope the decoys brought in for interviews view it as a dry run for an interview for a real job.
@@markrushtongallery yes, large institutions
Yup. I went on several interviews and I think that those companies just wanted to appear as if they were interviewing a diverse candidate pool.
100% true. I spoke to two companies who admitted they were taking my resume for a future date. One of them just had a big layoff too. Also, my suspicion on keeping fake postings to “motivate” employees is really designed to make them fear that one of them is going to get replaced so they work harder.
This is so true. There should be a website cataloguing these fake job listings.
Regulated
Why don’t you create one?
A website? I have not enough skills and time to learn the rest of the skills. I know just a little. In Canada, police from my city promotes reporting job scams via dept called Canada Crime Investigation.
@Andrew Quint Stupid and useless comment. Obviously not everyone has time, money, or knowledge to just start up a robust website of that caliber. Why don't you just stop being dumb?
@@andrewquint7962he is too lazy to create one
I remember when I graduated, i submitted a bunch of resumes. I never tailor my resume to an employer and I never apply to jobs that ask for cover letters so i don't feel my time is being wasted. But I remember that a few organizations i applied to called me over six months after i applied. I couldn't even remember them. It was so awkward. Like i kept thinking why would you call me after so long, it made no sense to me. I don't know why employers would do this. It gives such a bad image. Like folks, apply to multiple jobs and don't get excited about any potential employer until you are hired.
Amazon did that to me. I applied to a couple jobs but never heard anything but out of the blue, two years later I hear from them.
I feel you. I know a friend who has applied for a job at a county office, and hasn't gotten response for his job interview until 3 months later. How paradoxical can it be?
...add to that, his interview process went well. However, despite years of experience and a Bachelor's Degree in Economics, he has been ghosted and haven't heard from them ever since.
I've suspected this for a long time. There's also an issue of jobs being posted, but the candidate is already chosen.
Many, many of these job postings. They are required to post for the job within the corporation, but they already know who is going to fill it.
@@ThunderStruck94660 yep. The son in law or the good friend. Perhaps the drinking buddy of the boss.
@@TagGeorge This is also the case for internal promotions at some companies.
They have to for EE laws. Thats why bosses cant just promote you, they are legally obligated to pull in apps to avoid lawsuits. Even if they have 0% chance of landing it.
@Tylerian oh yes absolutely. Heck one time I applied for a internal position and I was the first person called in for it and they even admitted they already had the person chosen.
I think you are missing one, they are likely posting a shit job no one is taking/wants so they are posting a shiny pretty one and then trying to sell the applicants on taking a different job. This happened to me with a really bad recruiting firm that first tried to ghost light me into believing my 16 years of experience was worthless then they tried to sell me on this entry level position being grunt labor work at 42. It was a complete bait an switch.
That sounds hilarious. Did you tell em to go piss off? What was the job you where looking for and what did they offer?
@@GiganFTW They contacted me, I was laid off from having heart surgery, for a maintenance man position at multiple Apartment complexes. I told them if it wasn't a management job I wasn't interested. They said they were hiring managers as well. Oh by the way your 16 years of project management in building hospitals, schools, office buildings, and Military bases really wasn't the same thing and wasn't worth anything. I told her that was the rudest thing I have ever heard a recruiter say and the fact that she said it was all the information I needed to know I wanted nothing to do with you or this company ever. Loose my information. They have since tried to get me to talk to them about 6 other jobs until I called the California head office and threaten to sue them.
This happened to my husband once. It is definately another one of their snake tactics to look out for....
@@CallegriaofSoulbound that’s just ridiculous man. I cant even imagine. Well at least they are bringing you into interviews. They just keep ghosting me. It’s absolutely insulting that the recruiter would have the Gaul to say that about your work experiences.
This is why I'm changing to a trade with the main goal of opening my own shop and becoming a contractor. I'm done playing stupid games with employers.
By becoming one?
@@dannysdailys granted if you become an employer and know how bad it feels to be treated with disrespect as an employee, you are more likely to become a better employer
@@icemans1matedude339 Only in the short term I have found.
@@dannysdailys My go to barber owns his own shop. He has no employees and no boss; it's literally just him. His only overhead is rent and supplies. He advertises via social media and word of mouth. He makes good enough money where he and his family live comfortably and is also the cheapest barber in town. THAT's the dream.
@@jackcarraway4707 Indeed!
People should worry about whether some companies or fake companies are using ghost job posts to collect personal information. Some applications require applicant to fill home address and it is alarming.
Before opening my own biz, I too considered the privacy aspect of all those applications. So I offered only my social name (example: "Kaye" not Katherine), city and state, unpublished phone and confidential or parent names instead of subsidiary to avoid politics. The employers that called clearly understood I would provide details at first serious interview. No response indicates to me I was correct to not put my business out there!
@@marigold973 Some companies may be using templates from recruiting agents to identify local applicants. Many employers and recruiters will not have much time to check resumes, not to mention addresses, so it does not really matter whether actual addresses are provided before a candidate is actually handed an offer, as long as the address is not too far off. However, this is an exploitable loop hole to collect personal information. Many applicants are inexperienced and desperate for jobs.
In the EU you could ask them to delete them, would probably stop fake posting pretty fast as most companies don't have proper tooling to do so.
@@thomascuvillier7250 It is pretty much the same in most countries. Like you mentioned, many companies are unprepared for such requests and it will be passed to IT departments to process manually if they really follow it through. Also, it is not a very applicant-friendly process; imagining how troublesome it is to inform one company after another over hundreds of applications.
They also get your social security number.
A friend and former coworker saw our employer post her dream job multiple times to “keep her motivated,” aka prevent her from leaving. The job is right there, see? All you have to do is keep working hard to please the boss and eVeNtUaLLy your time will come!
Hmm... probably a good time to line up a new, better job and then call employer's bluff.
Mmmmm dangling that position
I hate the fact that this is not just an American problem: as a Romanian college student I want to find a part-time or flexible full hours to have more money, I find myself applying to a ton of positions I'm fit for or even overqualified and then notice that the position was never free or it awaits a certain insider.
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I recently turned 65, and I’m still employed.
I work in industrial sales, and I had a former account that closed their American plant and farmed the business out to their plant in Mexico.
The Plant Manager had been there for 34 years. Started as a grunt on the production floor and had worked his way up through the ranks. On his journey, he spent 5 years in HR. He had a very dim view of HR.
He told me how the EEOC actually came to their plant and schooled them on how to write up pie in the sky qualifications when this company posted ads on job boards. The Nuremberg defense was “we had no qualified candidates”, then they offered the jobs to internal candidates.
The level of sleaze from employers, and government agencies, is mind numbing.
Just lie about having those pie in the sky qualifications. Most hiring managers have no clue about the position they're hiring for so it's not like you're going to get called out in it.
@@squidward5110 Yeah, it’s sleazy when you advertise for the job and interview candidates under false pretenses just to tick boxes and cover your tail with the EEOC, and the EEOC is complicit in the whole process.
@@squidward5110 : Never been in management, but I've had plenty of coworkers who were absolutely wrong.
The answer to keeping current employees motivated is because they are short staffed and want current employees to think they are working as hard as they can to fill it.
What about "You can be replaced..."?
@@sertandoom4693 ^^This is how I interpreted it too. Keep them motivated by fear.
@@sertandoom4693 Precisely.
@@matts1392 Bingo.
My managers fired people after just hiring them a couple of weeks earlier because "we are in our slow period" and they're trying to save money. Then they cut down the amount of people working per shift. We are each doing twice the amount of work as before without raises. A few days ago, we saw our company hiring on Indeed. We were all really confused.
I love how in every video he's sounding more and more frustrated with employers. It's justified tho, it's crazy how Employers practice these awful things and can get away with it.
Almost like living in a society where the owners hold power and wealth is a horrible idea...
The only way they'll stop getting away with it is if we, well, adopt the French mindset about all this.
@@breakingboardrooms1778 You mean the French mindset that produced an imbecilic revolution which failed so badly to achieve anything that it was ultimately succeded by a more autocratic version of the old system? Not the best idea
He still shills for corporate overloads tho. 🤷♂️
They get away because the governments stand by their side.
The approve the exploiting done by the companies and in return, gain political influence.
i sent some resumes that literally went nowhere for months, they just sit there at "seen" and its so horrible to have no response, not even a rejection
Gotta love the bs anonymity of the internet
I thought I was crazy…I’m currently enlisted in a reserve status and I have over 7 years logistics coordination, admin & planning experience with an active secret security clearance. I have applied to over 40 jobs in my field just in the last month, and I keep getting rejected, or when I do get a call back, I’ll go through 3 rounds of interviews just to be told “my skills don’t fit the civilian market” or They’ll “keep my resume on file”…like wtf? These companies are truly “window Shopping” for employees and have no real intention of hiring ppl. It’s sick. I’m working 3 low wage, crappy jobs & im about to pick up a 4th just to barely get by…glad my intuitions have been confirmed
It’s sick that they’re wasting their time, wasting the people’s time, and are constantly getting people excited just to be disappointed.
I was probably a victim of one of these "jobs." I was in a contract position at a company. They posted a job that i was qualified for, so I applied and got the interview. In the interview, they offered me a different position that paid even more, so I agreed and let them consider my application for that. The position I originally applied for was filled in a week, but the position I switched to needed "budgeting and approval." After 3 months I turned in my notice. I was overqualified and underpaid for what I was doing, but the company did everything they could to keep me there except offer me more money.
Classic bait and switch, with a unique covert twist. These snakes amaze me with their subversive, disgusting schemes.
I'm constantly getting ghosted or rejected even though I fully meet the requirements. I swear it's maddening and horrendously demoralizing! I have no idea if it's me or if I just can't beat the ATS! I've been job searching for 2 months now, sent out close to 100 resumes to job listings, I've had 6 interviews and 4 working interviews only for it to go nowhere with no response at all. 😢
don't feel bad. Over the last 4 years I put out more than 400 applications and heard back from 6. No job. There's a lot f bait and switch with those who do answer and half the time don't even know the actual requirements. Pathetic.
That sucks! So sorry. I think the economy is about to go to crap so youmight need to move to a growing area which will probably be fine due to high growth. Getting a roommate to help pay rent might be good too
I was a contractor and my project ended on January 31. A few weeks earlier, I saw a job posted on LinkedIn for which I was qualified. I applied through a staffing firm that I had worked with before. I was told that the employer was interested in me, but they were notoriously slow in filing positions.
Fast forward to last Monday, when I started a permanent position that I found on my own. The recruiter at the agency said that the same job from January was reposted the day before and asked if I was still available. The employer never filled the position and was probably hoping that no one would notice that they just reposted the same job.
We had a job posting open for months because HR was tossing out tons of resumes. I suspect a number of good ones were bit bucketed but they refused to let us do any of the screening ourselves. We only saw 4 resumes over a 3 month period despite wanting to fill the post and ended up filling the position with an internal candidate. Our HR is also notorious for taking forever to contact candidates, set up interviews, and so on. Sometimes a candidate we were interested in would have talked with several places and gotten a job elsewhere months before HR finally got around to contacting them.
This is an instance of HR justifying their own jobs at the consequence of the company
I've been a victim of fake job posting. Took me a while to figure out the company was just collecting resumes, which seems really werid to me.
That's pretty suspicious, or sus.
Hi Life After Layoff,
My personal story is that the place I work for had a senior techops/help desk position available for up to a year. I originally applied for this position but they demanded knowledge of an absolute ton of different stuff that is way beyond that of a help desk position. They promised this position was available and had several of the tech team scramble to try and get this position to the point that it was causing a negatively competitive environment. I personally was promised I would be able to get this after a few months to familiarize myself with their process. The job was sent to India.
I used to work for a large Tech company. We would lay off 10% of the workforce each November and rehire soon after. Early days it was a way to target poor performers because the company failed to hold leaders accountable for development, coaching, etc. Then it expanded with the media view that companies did not pay equal to specific demographics and incented C-level to have a particular scorecard that showed their group met or exceeded a specific set of demographics. The layoffs target areas that still need to meet those goals and are promoted or hired to meet the goal.
Interestingly, they changed their job titles to meet the lower pay band but still had the same responsibilities. For example, the role of a front-line manager was paid $75-125k before being laid off; the new hire would be hired as a supervisor with the same responsibilities but at $50k-$75k. The company met its demographic goal and was able to cut costs.
That's also how you grow the profits. This is how it all works.
That's horrible!!
Yes the BS corporate lingo in the meat of your comment made no sense until the last sentence. That told me all I needed to know about their true agenda for laying off workers (most likely good workers with much more skill and ethics than the "bargain" barrel replacements). It's all about GREED. So these manipulative narcissistic managers with a fake "ASSociates Degree" can receive a big juicy bonus.
Isn't is Amazon which forces the lowest 10% of workers in any department to be fired?
This must be why you sometimes see pretty amazing gigs getting re-listed.
It’s worse than that. Many jobs openings real, BUT they already know who they want to hire, but have to interview just to be considered Equal opportunity
Its this that gives good companies bad names. Some still do promote good workers, but you have to "interview" for the job, even if theres only 1 viable candidate. Cuz lawsuits.
Get rid of EEO laws and let companies just promote without holding fake interviews. These laws dont really help anyone, just force more apps in, and create work for companies, and give applicants a fake sense of standing a chance.
@@cheesesniper473 👍👍👍💯Go back to doing things the way they were done 40-50 years ago. When the most qualified person got the job, irrespective of race, religion, etc.
@@reesedaniel5835 yeah, that did not happen 40-50 years ago unless you were male and WASP for the most part.
I report those fake jobs when I see them on indeed. It pisses me off! These employees should be ashamed of themselves… when they get the backlash and karma.. I’ll be waiting!
And then indeed does nothing
LMAO YOU THINK KARMA EXISTS
It’s keeping eyes on their app, why would they remove it?
@@Heynmffc because eventually competition appears
How do you spot those postings ?
They are trying to keep their employees "motivated" by saying there is help coming and the workload (overwhelming most likely) will be relived soon. Then it is followed by six months of "we can't find a qualified candidate". Same as placate overworked employees.
I came here to say this. My background is in trading and finance (the jobs are known to be meat-grinders when you're an "Associate") and there were always about twice as many boxes on the org chart as there were employees working on any given team.
yup.
This sounds a lot like what Louis Rossman noted about persistently, for years, “for rent” storefronts in NY city. There seemed to be no real effort to get tenants leaving the area looking run down.
Gosh but why aren’t employees loyal anymore?!
We're they ever? 🤔
because the employers prolly pay wayyy to little or demand too many hours....people are not slave labor for hire.
"to keep current employees motivates" has big "you're replaceable, work harder" energy
Human Resources = Humans ARE Resources....(replaceable ones).
This was my theory a while back in 2009 and 2010, but people said I was full of BS. I'm glad to feel vindicated.
Trust your feelings/guts. They never betray you. Keep a low profile, have a "rack of spices".
@Info-God This has been going on since the 70's or even earlier. It's just more out in the open now, and more blatantly done.
I was always "over qualified" for most positions i applied for.
My husband applied for an "open position" just to be told as he handed in his application it had already been filled. The listing was 24 hours old.
My son in law took OTR driver training from a trucking company's school. Most of the trainees were NOT hired, and many were fired before their trial period was over. Partly because they just plain sucked at the job (SIL worked his way up to in-truck trainer [next step in becoming a solo OTR driver] and some of his trainees were nightmares), but also because the company got gov't money for training and hiring OTR drivers. The more people they ran through the school and the more listings to hire drivers, the more money the co got. This was all many years pre-C19.
Oh what a surprise. As a job seeker of mostly 13 years I knew this years ago. The corporate world loves to gaslight people.
Your intro is impeccable. I’m locked in!
I usually go months and months of applying without hearing back from any of these places and I can honestly never tell if it's something with my resume, can't get past the ATS, or whatever. This would explain some of it, but it only compounds on top of everything else that makes the job market nearly impossible to navigate in this current recession environment. It's BS
I would assume "to keep employees motivated" could be one of 2 things. 1. A threat that basically says you are replaceable.
Or 2 They are understaffed and being told that they are looking for new employees to fill the position so that the workload will become more balanced so the employee will feel like you are trying. Even though you aren't.
Yeah there should le laws that ban the posting for fake jobs that employers have no intention of hiring.
Imagine a person who is unemployed and really needs a job. Their time is precious because job applications take a long time.
I am one of those unemployed who lost precious time and hope. You are very kind.
This was a problem even 10-15 years ago. I’m glad we’re finally talking about it now.
Another reason not to trust an employer...
This has helped me figure out a question I should ask after an interview; “when was your last massive wave of layoffs? - is this an active job position you are filling? Who would I be replacing when hired and why were they terminated?”
Hi,
I just got my Bachelor Law degree. In Sept I will start with my master study specializing in corporate law. I’d really like to work in a firm that suits my study but unfortunately they keep rejecting me.
I was at an international accounting firm for a job interview (job post: paralegal), but they told me that I am overqualified😩
When I seek something on my level, I get rejected. When I seek something beneath my level so I can grow, they reject me due to me being overqualified.
Can you make a video about how new graduates can get a job and what we should do?
They are lying to you. There is no such thing as overqualified. You are asking for more money then they are willing to pay for the job or you are likely trying to get into one form of "Good ol' Boys Club" or another, meaning they are not really looking for employees they are looking for people who fit their ideology OR people they know wont cause trouble them. Some jobs are all about who you know not what you know or how good you are at it. Corporate politics including corporate law is that kind of field.
Hi Jen. My advice would be to network like crazy. Unfortunately, the only way to get your foot in the door for most high paying jobs is to already know someone who works at the company you are applying to work for.
There is a solution. Requires having a safety net...aka: traditional family support...then you to open a business...look for customers. Yeah. Traditional family which has been evilised in the last 50 years.
The problem with this is people don't sit on a shelf waiting to go to work. I posted for a job when I was between jobs in 2016. Now that I have my dream job, I still get emails for people looking for my unique job skill set in STEM. I have to tell them, sorry, already fully employed with benefits. Not interested in your entry level position. How many employers think there are qualified seasoned engineers that have been sitting on the sidelines waiting for your call? The ones not yet employed are not employed for a reason.
I suspected for years that companies were doing this for the reasons you gave plus they may in fact be legitimate job openings but they already have an idea who they want for the position and they have no intention of considering a candidate who responds to such an ad but they instead post the position publicly just to keep them out of trouble with EEO.
What's wonky though is if they never posted the ad and just went ahead and placed their preferred, pre selected person in the position, nobody would be the wiser, including EEO and nobody's time and resources would be WASTED chasing a non existent job!!!!
i had no idea how bad this was up until this year, but this has been ongoing for a while now. i spent 2 1/2 hours yesterday going all around town to various places asking for a job, just for them to say they are doing this exact bullshit for a while until their next hiring season. as well as spending hours on indeed filling out applications manually, given pointless assessments, and so much other time and energy consuming things just to never hear back from them. truly does upset me when there are people who really do need a job asap, i am not in this position but i can only imagine those left hanging and how they had to figure it out in whatever way
I remember seeing these when 'want ads' were still in the newspaper. I would call and then be told that it was posted to see what the interest was in a specific type of position. In fact, it was pretty common.
I went for an interview and the job started off as the one which was advertised but ended up as a different job with a lower salary. I started answering all the questions incorrectly to make sure I didn’t get the job.
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I like that you trolled them after they trolled you lol. But in all seriousness that is so shady of them.
@@kristenmoonrise It's an old trick -- one of the first jobs I ever applied for after college back in the early 90's was for a "graphic design" position. They called in about half a dozen applicants they'd selected for a final interview, loaded us into a van to drive us to the "job site" and.... it was selling these worthless coupon books door-to-door.
On the plus side, I got to walk around a nice neighborhood and enjoy the sunshine and fresh air while the yahoo I was partnered with got super annoyed that I wasn't doing anything... on the bad side, I coulda been doing something more productive :P
@Olen Cone that's insane 🤯 lol at least the nice neighborhood was the silver lining. It seems that fake jobs have been around for a while but have just evolved with the times. 🤔
Been there, done that... Only, in my case they didn't do the switch until after I had accepted the position.
At the first one--to-one meeting after getting hired I expressed my dissatisfaction to the boss. He didn't understand any of it, because the position he needed filled was not the position I had interviewed for.
Bait'n'switch? Or just a screw-up?
I'm probably a bit older than the commenters here but I remember another scheme these employers pulled 35 years ago which was to post ads in the newspaper (no online crap back then) for "clerical or office work" and then when you went to apply for the job and sat through a long interview with several other people, it ends up being a vacuum cleaner (Kirby) salesperson job...😏 But they wouldn't advertise it as such because no one ever applied.
That's what I suspected last year. It sure seemed like there were a lot of jobs I applied for that I was eminently qualified for, that I never heard a thing on. I know it's competitive, so I didn't necessarily expect to get the job, but not even an e-mail response, or anything. It was so weird.
Something I’m seeing more and more nowadays are job titles that do not match the job description so that they don’t pay you for what your job actually is. The most obvious is the “assistant” (40k/yr) with managerial responsibilities ($80-$120k/yr) Or the “production coordinator” ($55k/yr) that does all video and audio editorial work with color correction (2 separate positions that pay on average 6 figures each)
This should be illegal.
There is a problem with this. Their practice has a cost... They are spending the trust of aspiring employees. When they return later, they will find no one to give them attention.
This applies personally. I have done 100 interviews in the past year. Even when I was tailor made for a good job, I was refused. So now, as I get hit up constantly, I don't even care about the emails. I expect them to ask me to interview and then refuse me
100% why have loyalty to a company that has none for you
They refuse you because they don't want to pay you what you are worth. They are trying to find a sucker who knows just enough to do what they want but will accept pocket change for it.
I know of a company that has certain jobs continuously listed for almost 10 years!
I think this has been going on since at least 2017. Upon moving to my new city I was so excited to get into the tech field I was in when I originally left it. Went to an interview and seemed to sail through, but then no call back and more posts that were like what I applied to and just different enough to disqualify me, maybe each up to 5 posts later. It boggled my mind. Same company.
the 'motivation' thing is "I KNOW you need help, just keep it up a little more until I hire someone to help!" but they never do and just expect to get 3 employees worth of labor from each employee...
This isn’t actually a new thing. It’s just become more commonplace. Eighteen years ago I interviewed for a job with a major medical provider. Although the interview went well, I didn’t get the job. The interesting thing was, nobody got the job. It was listed for months on their job board. The job was never filled, and it wasn’t because it was a hard to fill position. It just wasn’t a real job 🤷♀️
Only deal with established agencies or recruiters in the area where you're seeking a new job. Reach out to these people and build relationships. Also, completely dismiss any company with a low Glassdoor rating. They tend to churn people, have sketchy job descriptions, and have the kind of culture where they think it's OK to post fake jobs.
So..
Avoid Indians
Sound advice
Whats the best way to find an agency or recruiter? Im moving states and looking for a job in my next location. The agencies i know of nationwide are shady at best for my field.
I've never had a 3rd party recruiter do anything but waste me time (in my 25 year career). Every job I've found has either been through networking or direct apply via a job board.
Build relationships…with recruiters. 😂
"We're like a family here". They don't tell you it's the Sopranos.
Great video! I went through that hell for about 4-5 months. No employment until a short term offer at a warehouse and finally another offer in a trade job 1 month later. I’m honestly pretty happy with what I have, though inflation has made my salary less meaningful. I’ve learned to do prep well in advance and build connections. Employers what to play the browsing game so I’ll do the same, but in an honest way.
I hope any of y’all who are struggling to find work in your field will get success. It’s tough right now, but stick to it!
Brian: To your inquiry at 8:03 in the video (SEC and “growth”); the review/audit/examination would focus on:
1. Sarbanes-Oxley (SOX) entity level controls and hire-to-pay testing.
2. Management Disclosure and Analysis (MD&A) comments.
3. Other actions (plaintiff action, EEOC, OSHA, attorney general action) that would “back into” SEC-focus areas.
This action would be secondary to a more important issue (Ponzi, asset allocation, etc)
Not legal advice (Duh!)😂
Thoroughly enjoy your content!👍
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The target in auburn, Alabama, does this. I applied and then went to the hiring manager about my application. The dude literally said that they were laying people off and that they kept the positions open for a future date when they could pick from a pool of people that applied. Dude said it would be months before they were going to hire again
Indeed has been very good about removing them when reported. But you have to report them and articulate why it's fake.
Ha. I recently applied directly on a company's website, they answered by asking me to complete a questionaire. Soon, they updated my profile. We hired somebody else who...bla bla bla.
Surprise. The jobs (I applied to 3 jobs) were still posted but I could not reapply. And is a well known company.
Omg i thought i was the only one that thought Indeed and Zip recruiter were just ad sites that would just lead future employee into traps when going to companies site is much better.
True story. Wait. They reposted one job and I reapplied. No news yet.
I had employers reach out to me because my background in environmental but with no official job description. I went through three different interviews just to meet with the hiring manager to tell me that I wasn’t' qualified enough for the position. I mean this would be good to know in the beginning. I asked several times what position I would be applying for and no one had an answer. They just told me that it was in Industrial Hygiene. I pretty much gave them a run down of my experience and what I'm looking for in my career but they never told me the role I would take on until I meet the hiring manager. At the end, It felt like just a waste of my time.
@AMR421RA, a mystery job seems pretty much like mystery meat: to be avoided.
Thank you for sharing your experience so we can learn from it.
When you're on a team that is shorthanded and overworked, they keep telling you that "yes, we need to hire more people". I assume they would post listings just to back up that claim that they are going to hire more people to help you (to inspire the current workforce), but that wouldn't be very motivating if the position was never filled. It might motivate people in higher turnover jobs to stay longer before they quit, but at some point they will realize they will always be overworked.
This is one of my favorite videos of yours, You really break this down well, you cut the Bull and get straight to the point. !
I applied for a job. The company eventually offered me a job interview...2 years after I applied!
One time I was sitting in a place where a recruiter did a bait and switch. I was so mad I just sat there and this other recruiter talking to me probably couldn't figure out why I looked mad and didn't say anything
7:55-it's a threat to existing employees in that position. My wife applied for a job, never got called. Found out through a contact that the manager had posted that because their employees were griping too much and wanted them to think someone was in danger of being replaced.
Literally happens all the time in the medical field. It is not uncommon that the majority of posts are either already filled, on pause, or completely fabricated to try and sell another position.
@DavidReznick, wow, I did not think the medical field would also be plagued by this. Are you talking about hospitals, private practices or biomedical companies in particular?
@@fredericapanon207 all of the above
@@davidreznick9902 *sigh*
I was selected for an open position but my employer had to post the job on the open market for five business days before they would hire me. This was certainly a fake job posing because the job was already mine but they had to do this because of company policy. And yes, I am working this job now.
Eeo laws. You cant just promote people anymore. Its not company policy, its just following stupid laws.
My employer is seeking new applicants and has failed to hire because of the onboarding process is so tedious. For me the physical agility test required me to lie because I just got a bout of plantar fasciitis and I was required to not be in pain amd also not have taken any painkiller before the test. After I was hired we had several more candidate who months after their offer accepted a different job after waiting to get through an extensive background check, a drug test, and a physical agility test. HR took down the job posting because it was driving down our metrics, even though we would hire a new candidate if we could.
This is old hat. I've been interviewed for several jobs that never existed or they never intended to fill with an outside candidate. I'm also a Black woman, and I have been called in for interviews to check the box that they've interviewed a diverse candidate - only to find out later that they never intended to hire me despite the fact that I was an excellent candidate and got pretty far in to the interview process. I'm not shocked that this is happening. Now I will only apply for jobs that I've heard about through my network and I can verify that is real. Creating all this work for jobs postings online is a waste of time
Lady, you got the golden ticket.
Diversity hiring should be illegal.
Sue them for discrimination
SUE THEM ALL
FO THIS WORLD A FAVOR.
SUE THE DIVERSITY HIRING HOORS AND END THIS TECH NIGHTMARE
"Keeping current employees motivated" is a nice way to say they are threatening them with replacement.
The "motivation" they are referring to is telling their employees that they are about to be replaced unless they up their game. "We've already posted your position for your replacement." I've worked for a company that would do that from time to time. I didn't stick around long.
7:34 this means they want them to be fearful of their job being taken by an outside candidate. It’s a fear tactic to boost productivity or make them more pliable. It may also act as a way to encourage a skeleton crew to stick around because the company is trying to hire more staff to alleviate the workload. It could work both ways, just depends on the current dynamics.
It's just disgusting the way companies are behaving, so careless and downright irresponsible (if not illegal) when it comes to job postings.
This is absolutely what the recruiters at Hays for example had to do. I was an Account Manager there for a few months, and it was so often about getting a huge amount of CVs and connections. My job postings were meant to be an extended networking. Of course they were real jobs, but it was still shady, trying to get as many new candidates, getting their information and contacts and so on.
The recruiting on the other side did fake job postings, to get even more CVs and contacts. It's really shady stuff that some companies do.
I also had my fair share of interviews for jobs, that never had a chance, because it was just to get my resume or to save it for later.
These snakes could care less that a lot of people have to take time off work, spend money on gas and other resources to do these interviews.
I question the companies that have a ton of job openings constantly. How can the company even function if they’re missing half their staff?? I always assume they’re either not posting real openings OR updating current listings.
This is so true and they will interview knowing they just keeping the salary line open to put back in the budget with no intention on filling the position smh
I have observed this phenomenon for years.
Yes I noticed it started around 2015.
I saw this type of activity even back around 2007 economic crash. Wasted hours and hours with what I thought was potential jobs only to learn they were fake.
Does some serious mental health damage when you have little or no time to waste
Yep. I've been looking for jobs since feb here, i just got into some kind of bootcamp and the manager just kicked me and 6 more poeple out of nowhere, i didn't bothered trying to ask him why, i'm so tired of this crap.
I'm now training by myself and will only work as a freelancer, if this doesn't work, i'll be looking something else to do with my life. I'm already 30, i can't afford to waste my time with this
I noticed that, but only because I have activated email notification for interesting search results. There are certain offers that return regularly. I always wondered what that means: Do they fire their staff in half-year intervals or does the position exist at all… Thank you for this illuminating video.
Thank you for addressing this. What you are saying is absolutely true. Been my experience for the last 5 years
I noticed this recently in my job hunt. Its kind of insane how many false postings there are and also the companies that are supposed to help you send you just endless fake jobs. I found craigs list to actually be more helpful then paid recruiters who just email you crap.
Very dishonest behavior from a company. If I lie on my application or resume, I deserve to get fired. If a company lies about a job posting, they’ll just keep doing it and get away with it.
The part about keeping current employees motivated is about having your overworked employees think that help is coming soon. I can only imagine what happens to morale when the posting remains open for months.
Called this over a year ago. No one believes they're fake postings, it's mind blowing.
I am interested in STEM positions around education. So many of these companies are simply looking for content/curriculum creators that they can claim to be theirs and sell to others. Not a FT or long-term opportunity, just only until they don't need you anymore.
keeping resumes in case someone leaves doesn't make sense because there is no guarantee the applicant will be around waiting for the job.
Yeah exactly. It's not like people can sit and wait with their lives on hold for the off chance that a company actually calls them back.
I had applied to a position only for the recruiter to tell me it actually wasn’t even open yet and that someone else is already in it and they were in the process of trying to get them promoted so the position will then become available…for some reason I see that they continue to post it on job sites but the guy said it was a glitch in their system
I’ve been applying for jobs as a truck driver and have seen a ton of these postings. I know there have been layoffs and hiring freezes in parts of the industry but you wouldn’t be able to tell looking at job listings. At least most trucking companies have the number for a recruiter you can call to find out if they actually have any jobs available.