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@@Milesco What part didn't you understand? I think Employer /Employee relationships and how they treat them should be part of an insurance companies risk assessment.
@@JohnThompson-u7x _"What part didn't you understand?"_ Well, it was just one sentence, so... the whole thing. It literally makes no sense. "What is the insurance companies start taking their behavior as an insurance risk [?]" Did you mean to say "What IF the employers' business insurance companies start taking their behavior as an insurance risk?" ? If that's what you were trying to ask, I would say that since HR's primary purpose -- indeed, its primary reason for existence -- is to minimize risk (legal liability), then I don't think there is much that a business insurance company can do that would reduce the business's risk any further. HR is already doing that -- that's HR's job. (And Bryan himself says that at 4:03)
When I was a new supervisor I had an older employee who got divorced, (husband found a younger woman) , lost her home, and she started having performance problems at work, HR advised we had to let her go after 25 years. The topper was they wanted to deny her unemployment insurance. She appealed and the judge gave her the money but I never forgot that. HR is the devil.
Do HR people get performance-based pay ? MBA graduates are trained to increase returns to shareholders by cutting staff. Mc Kinsey supplies CEOs for private equity investment corporations. - ( do not lose your sense of humour, or you will become a real loser).
@@ShyGuyLoveSongs You can't rely on the corporation or your boss to create a culture you want to be in. Same with whatever the state/nation wide culture. It's so important to be supportive of your coworkers and subordinates. If you aren't they won't support you.
If there is not a Good reason to fire an employee , it usually easy to get u employment. Once I learned that I intelligently started speaking up for myself.
The problem is they protect all the people who are liabilities. Get rid of anyone who has an ounce of accountability. Next the entire place is full of liabilities.
HR and directors are not for the employees they are for they company. Never have the mindset that your closest coworker is the equivalent of a friend because they will ditch you in order to keep their paycheck.
Totally agree. There are no friends at work. I've been backstabbed by coworkers that I thought was a friend. You cannot trust coworkers. They look out for themselves and HR works for the company not employees. I helped a coworker got him a job at the company I worked and he stabbed me in the back and got rid of me.
Employees in HR have no real skills. They are failed Psychology, Sociology and Liberal Arts majors who wedged their way into corporations who actually make and create things. Since HR is low skill, they justify their existence by turning everything into a political battle.
If you're that desperate keeping a most-likely low-tier job in favor of throwing your friend under the bus who won't backstab you then you're sh!t and you deserve that sh!tty company.
NEVER GO TO HR. If someone does you wrong, suck it up or get a new job. If they commit a crime against you, go to police or get a lawyer. There is no reason to EVER file an HR complaint
I have mixed feelings about this. I agree that the HR department is looking out for the company, even if it means that they have to ignore their entire (explicitly written) policy about how they will handle the situation. On the other hand, my recent conversation with HR resulted in a rather attractive severance package ... because the information that I conveyed to HR made them *really, really* want me to waive my rights to sue the company over my termination. Given that I was an "at will" employee in a "right to work" state, you can imagine how little they would have been concerned about that in most situations.
If you go legal then you could lose your career or ability to get a decent job. So, really, just take it. All problems are OK, we must take the abuse, corporations rule our lives. What a great country, right?!
I...wouldn't recommend this unless the issue is indeed very severe. HR might not do anything but if you bypass their steps for conflict resolution and things need to get legal, they can claim they had no idea of the issue (or that the issue continued if you spoke to them once before) because you didn't keep them updated. You might still end up needing to get a new job but these steps can make the difference between if you're going to get unemployment during that time or not. And if in doubt (and you have the money), maybe consult a lawyer, not to sue but to just better understand the laws for your state. But the advice of never going to HR sounds like a quick way to actually harm a lot of people unintentionally.
Never. EVER. Communicate with human resources in person or over the phone. Always do it over email. If you do it over the phone, record the call with their consent, and if they refuse, ask to continue the conversation in writing via email. You must protect yourself legally at all costs, or they will make stuff up to justify your removal in court.
@@gsogymrat True, but if the company-especially the HR department-is based in a two-party consent state, recording without both parties’ permission could complicate things in court. Jurisdiction matters, and the company’s location can influence how these laws are applied.
I recorded my HR calls. They got angry when I posted the recordings on TH-cam. Then the company had them removed, so I posted them on even more places. Companies that do this include AECOM.
Don't allow your job to become more than a job. Be friendly and polite, but don't become emotionally attached. Companies love to talk about having a "family" atmosphere, but they won't think twice about letting you go if they have to and you should have the same attitude. Never put yourself in a position you can't walk away from at a moments notice.
A woman who worked at the unemployment office told me that same thing. She said, "Don't put up pictures of your family. Don't bring your favorite coffee mug. If they tell me I have to leave tomorrow, I already have a box !"
They will try to get to know you to figure out your vulnerabilities. For example they'll want to know your kids if they're in school and is your spouse is working and your mortgage and debt situation. Then they'll know how desperate you are for the job. If you're desperate no pay raise and no promotion. They can give you the lowest severance too knowing you're desperate for cash now so you'll take anything. They are evil.
@@jonfreeman9682 A place I worked wanted to know about additional sources of income. I had investments on the Toronto Stock Exchange and said I had none. It's none of the company's business.
They will be your bestest pals if you have an actuall case against the company. One that could cause any kind of backlash against the company itself, solid evidence and a lawyer standing by. Cos surely you wouldnt drop that bomb on your bestest friends for everest, hmmmm??
My short story, and maybe I'll detail the longer one at some point, I didn't choose to go down there. My boss did. My co-worker was the bully. We were told by HR, 'Stop causing trouble or we we're going to be written up.'
YES. Very common for that to happen, especially with workplace bullying. Other countries have laws against bullying. Every state here needs to take a lesson.
I accused my boss of antisemetism against me recently (I'm not Jewish) and it worked. They took away my writeup and told my boss and I "to honor each other." Make of that what you will.
I was a system admin for a company that had a habit of firing people over the weekend by calling them at home. Rumors were going that 1 software developer was being laid off. There was four of them. Friday rolls around and people are edgy. Monday rolls around and none of them showed up. It turns out the all four them had jobs lined up and the three that didn't did fired decided what's good for the goose is good for the gander and quit without notice. I thought that was great.
One time, the HR rep told me that everything I told them during the exit interview would be kept confidential and he kept telling me that multiple times. Well, it was not kept confidential. I will never attend another exit interview ever.
They "use those exit interviews to see where we can improve"... So you can imagine how that info would get passed around. Not saying I approve of this at all.
HR is not your friend. Tell them you want all conversation documented or recorded or you are refusing to participate for your own safety. Pay attention to their body language, attitude and hear their tone change. Play hard ball folks.
@@adamd9166 Please check your local laws to see if you are allowed to record without notice. Some things won't stand up in court and may come back on you if you record ilegally
When I get a call for a new job I tell them right away this is how much my salary requirement is over the phone. If you can match I'll come in for an interview if not nice talking to you. Saves a lot of time with the bs process. And believe me it works.
of course. they are not baby sitters or nurses. Their job is to find workers when needed, get rid of them when they are no longer needed, handle paperwork and benefits, and reduce liabilities. They are, when in full effect, managers of humans as a resource. Not sure where people got the idea that they are supposed to be employee's friends. Possibly because they try to limit liability by not allowing managers or other employees to break rules, such as making you work in a dangerous situation or bullying you, or hitting you.
As a recent victim of these unprofessional saddening practices, I can attest that your message is valid. This is surely a channel I would recommend for anyone in the workforce. Thank you!
I learned to never go to HR. I was asked to do something illegal (fire a woman who was on maternity leave after a problem pregnancy) by a director and went to HR to talk to them about my predicament. The director and HR turned it around on me and it bit me.
Wow, that's a couple EEOC claims right there😮 I'm so sorry and horrified that that happened. At least you tried to do the right thing, and I hope you've landed where integrity is valued.
I worked for a dental pharma company as a corporate recruiter. I was close to making a written offer to a candidate (we made a verbal offer), but a VP unilaterally decided to give the job to an internal candidate (who did not even apply or interview for the job). Long story short, my candidate got very upset and wanted to take legal action. Even though what this company did was technically legal, it was a total d**k move. Shortly after, I tendered my resignation. I cannot in good conscience recruit for an employer who doesn't give a rat's a** about people.
An employer can let you go at anytime but they get mad at an employee without giving a two week notice. Even though an employee gives a two week notice, they can let go of the employee on the spot. If you read an offer letter, it states both parties can end the employment at any given time without a notice or reason.
Companies aren’t in business to be fair to their employees. We’re just a means to achieve more profit. If you make waves or upset their system of control, you’re on the hitlist.
I can't believe that a so called civilized country like America can fire you without a notice period. I think that in most European countries, you would get a three month notice period for experienced employees if you are ever layed off.
A wise employer won't let you go immediately except as part of a planned layoff or for egregious and immediate safety issue. Should the employee sue the employer, having proof of performance being communicated and giving the employee an opportunity to address problems is crucial. It allows the employer to provide a defense for wrongful termination in addition to being fair to the employee. But of course not all employers are wise.
I have worked with two large companies and there was outside noise of layoffs and upper management as well as HR told us do not worry...next thing you know Lay-offs occurred. If you hear rumors and outside noise of lay-offs, get your resume polished up and prepare yourself to jump ship.
i despise when people pretend to be your best friend but have ulterior motives. basically everything HR stands for. they are like cops pretending to be your best friend after they get you in the back of the car as they note everything for court.
If you are an employee (FTE or Contract) always remember: HR is not there for YOU. They are there to keep the business happy- not protect you or ensure you have a successful career. You are a managed resource, NOT A PERSON.
Over my ten years in the workforce, I’ve noticed a trend: many HR professionals have degrees in psychology, which often seems ironic. It raises the question-what are they really using that knowledge for? Too often, I see them hire individuals who end up being toxic for the workplace, seemingly without conducting a thorough investigation into their backgrounds. Additionally, my three brothers have been struggling to find jobs. Time and again, they’ve faced situations where companies choose less experienced women over them, which is frustrating. I had hoped we’d reached a point of true equality, but it often feels skewed. Interestingly, my younger coworker who was recently promoted to supervisor is making significant changes in her department-much more than I’ve observed from HR. She's not afraid of pushing back when its comes to unfair treatment of herself and others and she's very strategic. It’s time we move beyond just discussing the need for change to actually implementing it. That shift requires courage and commitment.
My boss fired and my job eliminated as collateral damage. HR person was a lawyer. The entire process sucked 3 months of knowing job gone so I could get severance. One of her parting comment to me “ I hope in a years time if we run into each other you won’t hate me”. Lady you had better hope I don’t run you over with my car in 5 years but I just smiled and kept silent. That was 10 months ago I landed a good job within 2 weeks of term date. Their loss, I was getting calls six months later from staff and had to write a letter to them to have my cell removed as their storage company called only me. Took 3 people to not replace me.
I once heard someone say, ‘the truth hurts,’ and it seems like your post really struck a chord. You revealed a few too many HR secrets, and it definitely got people’s attention.
Our HR encourages us to attend mental health hour (on our lunch break, of course) via zoom… or they could pay us enough to see a REAL therapist that we aren’t going to be fired if we’re honest. Unbelievable people attend these.
Honestly, absolutely not. They might THINK they are. But basic things like lazy lay-off execution or low-balling top candidates and more are not beneficial for a company in the long-run or at-all. The reality is that HR typically is not particularly competent, skilled, or motivated. Many dont know their industry, or take the time to learn a surface-level perspective of it.
This is a great post and for anybody in the workplace currently who’s having issues at work, you should read this post over and over again, so you’re absolutely clear.
I do not trust HR at all. One time I was bullied at work because my boss was incompetent and didnt realize how long it would take. Instead of facilitating a mediating conversation, I was ignored by my boss for 6 months and they even took away my project and tried to fire me. They couldn’t though, because I did nothing wrong. They wanted to get me to quit. Well, when I found another job and quit, they were very curious about whether I found another job or not. I didnt even tell them that. Don’t tell them anything. They strictly report and work for the big boss and they will act like your friend but when their boss demands that you go away, they will follow suit. There is no reason to go to HR ever.
I was laid off 2 months ago. I was about to be in a position to have to be evicted from my apartment. Yesterday I had an interview and got hired right away. So glad I won't hafta be evicted anymore!
lol I worked at a company that had a fire drill. Once everyone was outside they did the layoffs and you could not get back into the building. As to confidential job listings, Ive always found it funny when a company eliminates the department and opens confidential job listings to hire new people for the department. I find out when the recruiters call me on a job Im a perfect fit for. They tell me it is a confidential job listing and I ask "Is it for company xxxxxx" They always confirm it.
Could be worse. They could have security watching them pack their desk and escort them out like they're some kind of criminal. I hear about that a lot. My sister's old company kicked her out and packed her desk for her & had her pick it up at the front door.
Expect your manager to keep documentation too. When I was in management I was trained and coached to do this, especially when I had employees actively complaining about me. But it was also important to remember the successes to be able to praise employees and encourage them. It is easy to remember one recent bad interaction and forget all the good someone has done. As an employee, there is nothing wrong to keep documentation on your interactions with others as well. But you have to be careful, many managers don't like being told about the times they contradicted themselves. Keep it in your back pocket hoping you won't need it.
Whenever someone asks about layoffs at our company meetings, the response that HR gives is something along the lines of "No layoffs planned, but if it does happen, we'll do it with care." I don't see how it's done "with care". It's the same every time. You get a video call on a Monday morning, get locked out of your accounts before you can say goodbye to anyone. And when you come and get your stuff, they have security escort you in and out. I wish the impacted employees could be treated like human beings, and not like people who will cause trouble or steal something out of spite.
I worked at a couple sites as a security guard and had to drop off a couple boxes at their station while they were in the officer getting the news from HR and then we had to witness them pack their personal belongings and then I'd walk them outside. They'd (understandably) be mad, profane, upset, etc. and I'll just say "Yes ma'am, I understand." until we got outside to the parking lot and the completely agree and empathize with them once we were out of earshot. One of the worst posts I've held.
HR is crap. I have had many jobs and always gotten stellar reviews. Nonetheless, layoffs. In every case all of us were let go sneakily and suddenly, locked out of our computers and walked to the door like criminals despite having done our best and displayed loyalty. I would NEVER, EVER again be loyal to ANY company. They have never kept their promises even when they said something in emails! I would NEVER give any notice when leaving. From now on, I am only loyal to ME and my family. Employers have done them to themselves, and it's epidemic.
I have had many bad employers in my life. Couple of things I remember. One company didn't pay me and was telling me my check was in the mail. I was expected to keep working. I was in a position where they forced me to quit because I wouldn't work for free. Another story is when I worked at a place and noticed some unethical practices. I was doing my job by the book. It was one of those "The law requires I say yes" but gesturing the opposite. So I did the right thing. They started writing me up for little things, anything really. Then fired me and they used those write ups (which I signed) against me. I learned after that, never sign anything if you don't feel comfortable. I should have stood my ground instead.
I am aware of all of these... I still speak up... 19 yrs and counting... I am not a slave. Work is an arrangement, a contract with 2 independent parts. I have agency over my career and life. They don't even have to agree but they HAVE to respect that, or I'm gone.
HR used to be quite professional. (80s-2000s). They haven't been since 2000, and your examples highlight this. I know of multi-million dollar multi-national companies that contract out their HR processes. Big mistake. Luckily I am former HR. I appreciate all your work.
Our former HR manager was fired for giving herself an 50% raise. The new HR person (temporary) doesn't know beans about HR and is making terrible decisions. Where I work is a joke. It's been a decade plus of cronyism and bosses with no actual skills making decisions.
HR is not there to protect you. It's there to protect the company. Also, those "anonymous surveys" they send out and never anonymous. Anything negative you put in will be used against you.
You can also use HR to your advantage. Being in the company for many years I knew a call to HR would be reported immediately to a couple of levels above my boss. It was very frustrating to often get left in a position of doing what was previously the job of three people. Then of course the bonuses virtually disappeared because the numbers were starting to slip. I was pretty sure I would be considered a very valuable employee and was prepared to leave if it didn't work out. What I did was make a call to HR asking how benefits, vacation and sick hours are handled if I were to leave. Then a few days later my bosses boss was present and asked to talk to me privately. Then a couple weeks later he told me they were expanding a place across town and they wanted me to lead that one. It is a much better environment and a large pay increase.
I always have loved your channel as you give good advice. I was looking forward to this one. Everything you have said how a HR department (esp in a larger company) works is so true. I have seen first hand most everything you have said. Stay observant because they do not have your best interest at heart.
HR is always on the side of the company, even if they defend your side in complain or anything... they are protecting the company from the ''worst'' case senario... HR are your enemis as a worker
remember this, if you go to HR to complain about another employee, you only get about 2 or 3 opportunities to do that in your tenure at the company. around the second complaint, you are categorized as a "high maintenance" employee. So if you're going to complain to HR, it better be for a good reason and you better be comfortable that you can find another job. I suffered for years working with a micromanaging narcissist but I refuse to go to HR. The only time I went to HR to complain was during my exit interview after I found another job
At this point I would suggest to look into your local employment laws and learn as much as you can by yourself. Basically you need to advocate for yourself, and act like an attorney. As some posters said at this point it's more convenient running your own business even at a microscale level rather than being subjected to further bs.
Not all confidential postings are because the company is replacing an active employee. Sometimes, especially with higher level positions, the person is leaving on their own accord, and all parties agreed to list the upcoming opening as confidential for a variety of reasons.
I worked for a compnay that asked everyone in the department to list our education, experience and skills after a merger. They explained that they were just looking for ways to create "synergies" and leverage skillsets across the newly merged compnay. A month later everyone in the department was demoted to align with job code levels at the acquiring division which was in a lower cost of living state. In other words, our skills and experience didn't really matter, they were going to demote us no matter what our backgrounds were. I had a feeling the next step was layoffs so I left that compnay.
One place I worked, claimed to be having financial struggles. This was nothing new. Everyday we got told the CEO was tanking with a net worth of $450 million dollars. Anyway, the area manager wanted bank statements from all of us to know how much we had. I gave him a statement from an online brokerage. He could not make heads or tails of it and did not ask anymore questions.
He's correct 💯💯. I experienced these same situations at a former employer. When the company got a new HR, I was requested by HR for a meeting for a write up. The HR didn't do the write up because the company didn't have a collective agreement with its employees. Also the situation happened before the HR was in place at the company. HR went around and asked the other employees about me and all of them said good things about me. I was released from the company and wanted me to sign a release form. When I told her that I will have my union rep. look over the release form she was surprised. I was surprised that the release form stated that I had resigned, when actually I was being released by the company. Later the company's HR wanted to return to the company ( 3 months ) later. I later found out that the company had told employees, that I had a visa issue. It was a lie... Now the company is under new management, but with the same problems.
In my experience, HR causes more liability than they prevent. They will brazenly break every law and every known principle of ethics to fuel their own egos. They think they know better than you, especially in regards to the law. More often than not, they don't. Hell, they usually don't even understand company policies. They definitely haven't read the employee handbook. And remember, if you have a disability or have a legitimate concern, they will go out of their way to fire you or make your life harder. I have only met one or two legitimately good people in HR. The rest were the scummiest of filth that even a low class lawyer couldn't hold a candle to. Human Resources is no replacement for well trained management.
The ADA exists for a reason. A company can't just hold a disability against you. If you have a disability, ask about accomodations if warranted. There is a process for that, usually. You can also look at going on FMLA. What is frustrating is having to manage managers and explain policy and provisions to them, making sure they are documenting things and following procedure. It can be like herding cats.
I've worked for a few corporations and I can honestly say that only one company that I have ever worked at had a HR department that was helpful for employees.
I've yet to experience an HR department I can trust. Even coworkers cannot be trusted. I once helped a pal get a job at my company and he backstabbed me to get rid of me.
Wish I'd seen this video 20yrs ago. Naively, I went through most of my working life thinking HR were an _ally_ of the employee. I was so wrong. I haven't worked in an office scenario for years now, as I can't stand the games and backstabbing.
00:03 Shady practices of HR departments 01:46 HR obsessively documents every step 03:09 HR Department Obsession with Documentation 04:42 HR departments can be shady in multiple ways 06:08 HR may not fulfill promises of salary revision or promotion as stated in offer letter. 07:35 HR departments may deceive employees about layoffs 09:02 HR may use your self-ranking and performance metrics against you during layoffs. 10:37 HR departments have been involved in shady practices. Crafted by Merlin AI.
Great advice Brian. The bottom line is to take charge of your own career and negotiate to win. HR did come in handy for me when I had a problem boss. I told my boss that I would not have any discussions w/o HR present. Turns out in one session, my boss showed his hand and told me he cut my budget out of anger. I looked at the HR director and his face turned white. My boss was demoted and I found a better job paying 3X my salary.
HR is not your friend. NEVER trust them. If you have an issue with someone that violates your contract, or even the law, SKIP HR and go to anlawyer. If you tell HR first you give then a head start to hide the evidence.
I once walked in on a active termination of a colleague. The person worked in the position only for 3 weeks and was terminated. Then they spun a whole story that the individual is harrassing people and we needed more security. I quietly plotted my exit strategy and decided it is better to have a unionized job. HR is never on your side. Like someone commented, they are liability managers. If you are having a tough time at work find external supports and just look for other jobs. That is the best option for your own sanity and well being.
Some other items that I have seen is falsifying evidence to terminate someone, Terminated someone because I use the benefits package too much or because of their age, And one of the most odd things that I’ll say is HR is known to eat their own. By this I mean HR will also fire HR people If they do not like them or they are too ethical or work too fast. I have seen this a lot as an HR professional. So if you’re in the HR profession do not be fooled, you could be backstabbed as well.
AECOM did that to me. So I made lots of videos bashing the company and posted them on my TH-cam channel. My boss Marcus Keay cried to TH-cam and complained his privacy was invaded. So I made more videos about him without using his voice. Those videos made him look bad.
Wow , makes me thankful the company I work for . For one it’s an outside that dose our complaints and it’s anonymous, and company gives everyone laid off get a year pay and benefits. A note on pay structure for new employees is a template no negotiation. One thing our company dose that you showed concern for “ the self review “ I have been given one to fill out for the past 26 years previous to my annual review or my promotions . It’s really awful that some companies use the tactics you describe, your video does make me appreciate where I work .
HR ultimately works for the company, not for the employee. However, they are also tasked with representing employees within the organization, which requires a delicate balance of sensitivity and professionalism. This can be especially challenging if they’re feeling burnt out or simply trying to meet the demands of their role-often leading to frustrations and complaints from all sides. Great video highlighting what happens behind the scenes. At the end of the day, it’s important to remember that everyone is doing their best to protect their jobs!
Tell it to them simply, once your trial period is over. "We've talked about it, during on boarding, nine months after end of my trial period, there will be evaluation. If you attempt to move or in any way delay or cancel the meeting, or I will not receive raise I will be happy with, we'll consider it you giving me two weeks notice." and as a little extra incentive, publish your resume on job boards. Companies killed employer loyalty, treat them with outright hostility.
I've usually found they don't mind an evaluation after the trial period. They may put it off as long as they can, but we have regular promotion cycles every six months. That doesn't mean much, you just don't "exceed expectations" as much as they expected you to. No raise.
Everything you talked about has happened to me IRL. I work in IT. Looking back at a particular job role I was in, I had full access to all files. But what was weird was the last 4 months of my employment… they started doing some shady crap. I gave my boss a low performance rating less than 5 months prior, they started to get say things, do things, document things to just get rid of me. When it came to firing me; they had nothing. Absolutely nothing. They told me after 4 years of employment, “it’s just not working out. You’re not the right fit.” Basically, my boss saw me a threat. That’s what I saw at the time. Lord, now I’m so glad I don’t work in such a toxic environment she put me in for those entire 4 years of having panic attacks over her being an emotional abusive employer. Thank the lord they canned me. I’m in a better place.
My HR lost my maternity forms, & as I didn't keep a copy, I wasn't sure of return date. So when they called me to ask when I was returning I said whenever next week, & started back a couple days later. Then found out 6 years later that I wasn't entitled to LSL because they had recorded that I had abandoned my employment, so my 4 years prior was not valid. I didn't get any paperwork about it, or signed any new forms on my return. This was before email was used at my company.
I applied directly to a job and was offered 160k, said no. Then I applied to the same job via a recruiter and then somehow 220k was no longer an issue...
I do not like then HR folks and others complain about the hate they get. Excuses like "I am just doing my job" is no justification. Everyone is free to choose how one earn money, and if they chooses a job where they are going to wreck other people, that is their choice and they should be held responsible for it. I never got the logic behind "I am just doing my job, it just means you justify treating other people bad AND you earn money by doing so.
I don’t like HR departments being intertwined with talent acquisition. Those companies tend to have a worse employment experience because HR doesn’t take responsibility for high turnover. You’re often left with a department that negotiates unreasonable terms and has no method of taking in that feedback. Don’t mix HR with Talent Acquisition, prefer not to mess with companies that do.
It’s the norm in France. HR and recruiters are the same people. It’s when I started working for an American company that I realised it can be two different departments
HR typically doesn't have a clue what the business even does to make money or how. They shouldn't be involved until onboarding, and then only to handle the legal forms and such.
Human Resources is No One's "Friend", "Wellwisher" or any other good terms. They are there FOR THE COMPANY. There is a Reason for the word "Resources". It simply means employees are "Expolitable Resources". Not even As Humans... But Humans As Resources.. Like Electricity, Water, and other Utilities. An HR can and will use anything and everything against you. But they will never do anything that benefits the employees, unless in an emergency situation. HR is usually the last on the chopping block. They have minimal requirements for performance appraisals. Hence, companies don't bother hiring "Compassionate and Talented" people. The Job of an HR is similar to a bouncer: Follow the House's rules. The Attempt to Lowball a Salary, Perks, and Benefits are mindboggling. There's NO NEED for them to do this scummy exercise. But they will.
@@LadyBoBannon so Payroll is from HR? NO. It is from Accounts. HR has minimal involvement especially in the new era or ERP and Automated Attendance systems.
My old managers drove me to suicidal ideation. When I reported what they were doing to me, with all the evidence I collected, hr promoted the managers responsible and did nothing to help me. When I quit no one asked why I was leaving. I learned two things during that time. HR defends the company 99.99% of the time. I will never work for Costco wholesale ever again.
HR treating people with dignity and humanity woukd require HR to see employees as humans, and not just a number or head count. We also know if anyone in HR sees the employees as human, they're no longer guaranteed to do things that are in the compnay's best interests, and as thus a liability.
Very honest video. One of the worst is a combination of two items - Sometimes you have employees who see your "Confidential Posting" and then confront their Manager or HR about it and with a straight face you have to say "I Know Nothing." As an HR Professional I have struggled with this one and have always encouraged managers to give feedback and coaching to avoid replacing an employee but sometimes its hard to get Managers at an organization to do the work to coach someone for improved performance. As ALALO would say, Be the CEO of your career! See the signs and use strategy in how you navigate your career and brand.
On September 25th I got call from recruiter asking would I be interested in contract role at MasterCard. Then I google and find articles like MA will layoff 3% of workforce on Sep 30th. Later I asked recruiter about this and he hasn't called back.
Fantastic video! May I clarify a few things? Besides what you mentioned about confidential job postings, another reason they are used is for companies who don't want other companies to see when and for whom they are hiring. Think of a game studio who wants to hire a game developer but they don't want to tip off the competition about what their next IP will be.
People go to HR not because they like (what a BS) working with people, but because they have a safe job (protected by management) and can switch industries easily not like us. And also they are HUNGRY POWER.
The crazy thing is I worked with a company that had a layoff ,& I was one of those who got laid off. They tried to lie about it to save face. A employer told the recruiter that was lining me up for a position to ask me “if I really got laid off”. I to,d the recruiter to take my name out the hat for that employer. One thing I will not do is work for someone who questions my integrity.
My wife and sister dealt with confidential postings in the last 2 years. They both were given NDA's prior to applying. The odd thing was when my sister was hired, and then they gave her the task of firing the person she replaced. ugh!
I worked for a company that was getting bad press nationwide over rumours that they were going to lay off people. The company made a public announcement in the national press that there are no plans to lay off people. Then a month later they announced the layoff of about one third of their staff.
If you have even a legitimate complaint against a coworker or manager, do not complain. Get out of that job as quickly as possible. Even a legitimate complaint will put you on a list. So best advice, if you're being bullied by a coworker or manager, leave the job asap.
Here’s another one: HR often requires an employee to file an FMLA and use sick time/PDO concurrently. This way, when the employee runs out of sick time, they have already exhausted or used a significant portion of their FMLA and there is no longer any mandated protection of their job.
My experience with HR has been mostly adversarial and they are there to protect the company, not its employees. One thing you probably could touch on is how problem staff and managerial individuals often weaponize HR against employees for petty reasons. HR and other coworkers ARE NOT your friends. 🧐
5 mins in, that’s exactly what they did to me. I won’t mention the company for legal reasons, but man, one of the worst decisions of my life. I’m an accomplished, successful artist, worked in multiple game design companies. I’m damn good at what I do. Here in the Uk there’s this really stupid rule, which protects anyone who’s worked over the 2 year mark, but anyone just under it, doesn’t have any legal rights. I mean, none. So about a couple weeks, more like a week and a bit, they literally started making stuff up about my performance. You could tell they were scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to dig up the most menial things which by the way are correctable with a single step, if your guy above you doesn’t like. Literally the case of - you coloured it blue, we wanted it red. So sorry you’re out. I was absolutely gob-smacked at how other human beings can become. These were people who came from another company, who were chums in previous companies, and were there to replace the people before them. Kind of like a coo coo bird does. Displaces other what to replace with its own. Totally gas-lit me. The worse part of it - would even allow me to save my artwork, irrespective of it not being used. Disgusting, hey? 2 years worth of some really good work I was proud of. Today I’ve just been head hunted for a job, so hopefully that’ll happen, but I’m not really worried anyway. I’m just amazed at how people can treat you. Probably replaced me with someone less expensive. Some new younger, less expensive sucker.
This is what happens when a company prefers hiring after personal recomendations. Sooner or later that creates cliques, and after my personal observation if someone stays for prior many years in a toxic company, it suites them because he, she is toxic, otherwise people who do not fit within a toxic company leave on their own or are spewed. So one toxic element will bring other toxic elements because of preferential hiring through reference.
@@Krlowanigu-mg6eg Yea. I do agree with you that though I was super friendly with everyone in the company, there were two or three people I just didn’t fit in with. Especially when they’re the new manager, and his buddy from a previous company. I really did try though to reach out and integrate. Basically another company replaced the company which originally hired me, and started hiring all the same people who worked at a previous company, slowly replacing a lot of the previous employers with the people they once worked with. I started noticing one after another after another. I was thinking at a few points, should I be worried? My mistake was I didn’t save my work, before they called me in on a surprising day. You know, just to catch up. I was actually doing really good work, so everything was great in my mind. I actually wanted to proudly show them what it is I was working on, and man it was so good! I notice a little envelope on the side of a table, (the new) HR sitting there and I just knew they’re firing me. They completely ignored the company policy (which I actually helped wrote down and re-design for them) knowing very well of the standard protocol of being called in for a performance check, then if the weren’t happy they’d go through steps to help improve my work if there was a problem. They didn’t care. Such awful people man.
50 question quiz at my company to get hired and it's on the Employment forms they just read. 90% fail, we say it's your first assignment if you can't bother to read day one we don't want you. So many employees just sign everything and we know they did not read it. HR is not your friend it is here to protect the company. When we lay off or fire someone we always try to wait until the end of the day after they are off company property, if someone puts in a 2 week notice we have security walk them out instantly. We see the worst risk to our company is letting someone on the computer systems when they are leaving so we will assume they are KGB or CIA agents here to steal everything they can.
In all the career fields I have worked in, I have never worked with an HR department that was anything but the most petty, self-absorbed, and valueless group of individuals in the company. If a person can't do anything, has no talents, has no skills, offers no value, and is generally incompetent, useless, and insecure, that person goes to work for HR. I have yet to be proven wrong.
If you’re going to complain to HR the final line of your complaint should read, “If this is not satisfactorily resolved by (date) then I will be resigning on (date +1). If you aren’t willing to leave the job then you have no business getting HR involved. These people are not the hall monitors at school.
U r Right about HR/admins handling layoffs poorly!!!! I’m in a closing clinic & being redistributed And HR/Admins /leadership can’t handle this right at all! It’s exhausting
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If you are getting lowball offers and unsure how to get paid what you're worth, I've created a step-by-step training to ensure you don't leave a dime on the table. a-life-after-layoff.teachable.com/p/the-ultimate-layoff-bootcamp
What is insurance companies start taking their behaviour as an insurance risk
@@JohnThompson-u7x ????
Would you like to read your comment and try rewriting it so it makes sense?
@@Milesco What part didn't you understand? I think Employer /Employee relationships and how they treat them should be part of an insurance companies risk assessment.
@@JohnThompson-u7x _"What part didn't you understand?"_
Well, it was just one sentence, so... the whole thing. It literally makes no sense. "What is the insurance companies start taking their behavior as an insurance risk [?]"
Did you mean to say "What IF the employers' business insurance companies start taking their behavior as an insurance risk?" ?
If that's what you were trying to ask, I would say that since HR's primary purpose -- indeed, its primary reason for existence -- is to minimize risk (legal liability), then I don't think there is much that a business insurance company can do that would reduce the business's risk any further. HR is already doing that -- that's HR's job. (And Bryan himself says that at 4:03)
Thank you for offering this information. I always get a few great tips.
When I was a new supervisor I had an older employee who got divorced, (husband found a younger woman) , lost her home, and she started having performance problems at work, HR advised we had to let her go after 25 years. The topper was they wanted to deny her unemployment insurance. She appealed and the judge gave her the money but I never forgot that. HR is the devil.
Do HR people get performance-based pay ? MBA graduates are trained to increase returns to shareholders by cutting staff. Mc Kinsey supplies CEOs for private equity investment corporations. - ( do not lose your sense of humour, or you will become a real loser).
@@ShyGuyLoveSongs You can't rely on the corporation or your boss to create a culture you want to be in. Same with whatever the state/nation wide culture. It's so important to be supportive of your coworkers and subordinates. If you aren't they won't support you.
I'm glad she got her pay. It should have been easier.
If there is not a Good reason to fire an employee , it usually easy to get u employment. Once I learned that I intelligently started speaking up for myself.
Always appeal, AND yes, I completely agree!!!
My opinion on Human Resources is that they should be called Liabilities Management
The problem is they protect all the people who are liabilities. Get rid of anyone who has an ounce of accountability. Next the entire place is full of liabilities.
Interesting
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@@nsrchndshkh Good one.
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HR and directors are not for the employees they are for they company. Never have the mindset that your closest coworker is the equivalent of a friend because they will ditch you in order to keep their paycheck.
Totally agree. There are no friends at work. I've been backstabbed by coworkers that I thought was a friend. You cannot trust coworkers. They look out for themselves and HR works for the company not employees. I helped a coworker got him a job at the company I worked and he stabbed me in the back and got rid of me.
That is why I started outing them on my TH-cam channel.
Learned this too late 😕
Employees in HR have no real skills. They are failed Psychology, Sociology and Liberal Arts majors who wedged their way into corporations who actually make and create things.
Since HR is low skill, they justify their existence by turning everything into a political battle.
If you're that desperate keeping a most-likely low-tier job in favor of throwing your friend under the bus who won't backstab you then you're sh!t and you deserve that sh!tty company.
NEVER GO TO HR. If someone does you wrong, suck it up or get a new job. If they commit a crime against you, go to police or get a lawyer. There is no reason to EVER file an HR complaint
I have mixed feelings about this. I agree that the HR department is looking out for the company, even if it means that they have to ignore their entire (explicitly written) policy about how they will handle the situation.
On the other hand, my recent conversation with HR resulted in a rather attractive severance package ... because the information that I conveyed to HR made them *really, really* want me to waive my rights to sue the company over my termination.
Given that I was an "at will" employee in a "right to work" state, you can imagine how little they would have been concerned about that in most situations.
Retain a lawyer and THEN file an HR complaint.
If you go legal then you could lose your career or ability to get a decent job. So, really, just take it. All problems are OK, we must take the abuse, corporations rule our lives. What a great country, right?!
I...wouldn't recommend this unless the issue is indeed very severe. HR might not do anything but if you bypass their steps for conflict resolution and things need to get legal, they can claim they had no idea of the issue (or that the issue continued if you spoke to them once before) because you didn't keep them updated. You might still end up needing to get a new job but these steps can make the difference between if you're going to get unemployment during that time or not. And if in doubt (and you have the money), maybe consult a lawyer, not to sue but to just better understand the laws for your state. But the advice of never going to HR sounds like a quick way to actually harm a lot of people unintentionally.
Sometimes you need to, in order to build an EEOC case.
Never. EVER. Communicate with human resources in person or over the phone. Always do it over email. If you do it over the phone, record the call with their consent, and if they refuse, ask to continue the conversation in writing via email. You must protect yourself legally at all costs, or they will make stuff up to justify your removal in court.
They cannot be trusted. They work for the company not you and will screw you over without blinking.
In North Carolina, where I live, only one party needs to consent to record a conversation.
@@gsogymrat True, but if the company-especially the HR department-is based in a two-party consent state, recording without both parties’ permission could complicate things in court. Jurisdiction matters, and the company’s location can influence how these laws are applied.
Yes criminal activity and writing aren't a good mix!
I recorded my HR calls. They got angry when I posted the recordings on TH-cam. Then the company had them removed, so I posted them on even more places. Companies that do this include AECOM.
Don't allow your job to become more than a job. Be friendly and polite, but don't become emotionally attached. Companies love to talk about having a "family" atmosphere, but they won't think twice about letting you go if they have to and you should have the same attitude. Never put yourself in a position you can't walk away from at a moments notice.
You said it perfectly! I told some of my previous coworkers to always remember that we are just guests in our employer’s house.
I learned this the hard way in my late twenties. 100% correct.
I wish I could hit the thumbs up button twice and I work in HR. Talk about deep state. Don’t trust the acronym groups😮
This is right, although unfortunately I've ended up in exactly such a position.
A woman who worked at the unemployment office told me that same thing.
She said, "Don't put up pictures of your family. Don't bring your favorite coffee mug. If they tell me I have to leave tomorrow, I already have a box !"
HR is not your friend. Remember what you say or do can be used against you.
They will try to get to know you to figure out your vulnerabilities. For example they'll want to know your kids if they're in school and is your spouse is working and your mortgage and debt situation. Then they'll know how desperate you are for the job. If you're desperate no pay raise and no promotion. They can give you the lowest severance too knowing you're desperate for cash now so you'll take anything. They are evil.
@@jonfreeman9682 A place I worked wanted to know about additional sources of income. I had investments on the Toronto Stock Exchange and said I had none. It's none of the company's business.
They will be your bestest pals if you have an actuall case against the company. One that could cause any kind of backlash against the company itself, solid evidence and a lawyer standing by. Cos surely you wouldnt drop that bomb on your bestest friends for everest, hmmmm??
Never report bullying to HR. They will choose for the bullies and will push the victims out. Like clockwork.
I have never met a person who went to HR and was better off for it
I experienced the situation like this back in 2017 well..... look were I'm at now
My short story, and maybe I'll detail the longer one at some point, I didn't choose to go down there. My boss did. My co-worker was the bully. We were told by HR, 'Stop causing trouble or we we're going to be written up.'
YES. Very common for that to happen, especially with workplace bullying. Other countries have laws against bullying. Every state here needs to take a lesson.
I accused my boss of antisemetism against me recently (I'm not Jewish) and it worked. They took away my writeup and told my boss and I "to honor each other."
Make of that what you will.
I was a system admin for a company that had a habit of firing people over the weekend by calling them at home. Rumors were going that 1 software developer was being laid off. There was four of them. Friday rolls around and people are edgy. Monday rolls around and none of them showed up. It turns out the all four them had jobs lined up and the three that didn't did fired decided what's good for the goose is good for the gander and quit without notice. I thought that was great.
And that's what happens when you play games like that!
That's excellent!
One time, the HR rep told me that everything I told them during the exit interview would be kept confidential and he kept telling me that multiple times. Well, it was not kept confidential. I will never attend another exit interview ever.
They "use those exit interviews to see where we can improve"... So you can imagine how that info would get passed around. Not saying I approve of this at all.
500 Dollars a minute consultancy fee for those exit interviews.
What happened after the exit interview ?
Just tell them it’s not personal it’s just Business. That all they will get for me… Thanks for the video..
Never do an exit interview. If the company cared, they would have asked all the same questions of everyone, not just when you leave the company.
Who pays them, not you.There you have it.
Same with politicians.
As with all things, follow the money and you will find the truth.
HR is not your friend. Tell them you want all conversation documented or recorded or you are refusing to participate for your own safety. Pay attention to their body language, attitude and hear their tone change. Play hard ball folks.
Better to record it yourself. I've heard stories of HR conveniently "losing" records that could hurt the company.
@@adamd9166 Please check your local laws to see if you are allowed to record without notice. Some things won't stand up in court and may come back on you if you record ilegally
When I get a call for a new job I tell them right away this is how much my salary requirement is over the phone. If you can match I'll come in for an interview if not nice talking to you. Saves a lot of time with the bs process. And believe me it works.
Luv this!!!
HR is to protect the company....who pays them.... not the employee..
of course. they are not baby sitters or nurses. Their job is to find workers when needed, get rid of them when they are no longer needed, handle paperwork and benefits, and reduce liabilities. They are, when in full effect, managers of humans as a resource. Not sure where people got the idea that they are supposed to be employee's friends. Possibly because they try to limit liability by not allowing managers or other employees to break rules, such as making you work in a dangerous situation or bullying you, or hitting you.
As a recent victim of these unprofessional saddening practices, I can attest that your message is valid. This is surely a channel I would recommend for anyone in the workforce. Thank you!
I learned to never go to HR. I was asked to do something illegal (fire a woman who was on maternity leave after a problem pregnancy) by a director and went to HR to talk to them about my predicament. The director and HR turned it around on me and it bit me.
Kuddos for you standing up for what’s right. Sorry it bit you in the end, that’s horrible. Hope you’re in a better spot now.
That, in itself, sounds like a potential lawsuit. If it's not too late, you should consult with an employment lawyer.
Wow, that's a couple EEOC claims right there😮 I'm so sorry and horrified that that happened. At least you tried to do the right thing, and I hope you've landed where integrity is valued.
Thank you for doing the right thing, and I'm sorry they turned it against you.
This video is spot on! In three of the places I worked, people who went to HR to complain about legitimate issues were eventually let go.
It’s only a job. Always look for better. Have no regrets. Be ready to leave at a moment’s notice
I worked for a dental pharma company as a corporate recruiter. I was close to making a written offer to a candidate (we made a verbal offer), but a VP unilaterally decided to give the job to an internal candidate (who did not even apply or interview for the job). Long story short, my candidate got very upset and wanted to take legal action. Even though what this company did was technically legal, it was a total d**k move. Shortly after, I tendered my resignation. I cannot in good conscience recruit for an employer who doesn't give a rat's a** about people.
Well played. A former manager of mine did the same.
Never give a two week notice, never work OT, never skip lunch break and never stay late or come in early.
You sound like an employee I’d never want to hire.
@@colt10mmsecurity68 ok boomer. Nobody wants your 10 dollar an hour a job anyway
I know. I love myself more than I love your company…. Oh well
And you sound like a bootlicker! We’re all employees at the end of the day…
@@papigangatv7002 Ha. Triggered much?
An employer can let you go at anytime but they get mad at an employee without giving a two week notice. Even though an employee gives a two week notice, they can let go of the employee on the spot. If you read an offer letter, it states both parties can end the employment at any given time without a notice or reason.
Exactly! How is that fair…
Companies aren’t in business to be fair to their employees. We’re just a means to achieve more profit. If you make waves or upset their system of control, you’re on the hitlist.
I can't believe that a so called civilized country like America can fire you without a notice period. I think that in most European countries, you would get a three month notice period for experienced employees if you are ever layed off.
A wise employer won't let you go immediately except as part of a planned layoff or for egregious and immediate safety issue. Should the employee sue the employer, having proof of performance being communicated and giving the employee an opportunity to address problems is crucial. It allows the employer to provide a defense for wrongful termination in addition to being fair to the employee. But of course not all employers are wise.
I have worked with two large companies and there was outside noise of layoffs and upper management as well as HR told us do not worry...next thing you know Lay-offs occurred. If you hear rumors and outside noise of lay-offs, get your resume polished up and prepare yourself to jump ship.
Exactly. Where there’s smoke there’s fire.
Exactly this! The minute you hear "Don't worry, there won't be any layoffs", start polishing your resume and look for another job.
i despise when people pretend to be your best friend but have ulterior motives. basically everything HR stands for. they are like cops pretending to be your best friend after they get you in the back of the car as they note everything for court.
True.
Yet the American "right-wing" practically worships "law enforcement."
If you are an employee (FTE or Contract) always remember: HR is not there for YOU. They are there to keep the business happy- not protect you or ensure you have a successful career. You are a managed resource, NOT A PERSON.
Over my ten years in the workforce, I’ve noticed a trend: many HR professionals have degrees in psychology, which often seems ironic. It raises the question-what are they really using that knowledge for? Too often, I see them hire individuals who end up being toxic for the workplace, seemingly without conducting a thorough investigation into their backgrounds.
Additionally, my three brothers have been struggling to find jobs. Time and again, they’ve faced situations where companies choose less experienced women over them, which is frustrating. I had hoped we’d reached a point of true equality, but it often feels skewed.
Interestingly, my younger coworker who was recently promoted to supervisor is making significant changes in her department-much more than I’ve observed from HR. She's not afraid of pushing back when its comes to unfair treatment of herself and others and she's very strategic. It’s time we move beyond just discussing the need for change to actually implementing it. That shift requires courage and commitment.
They're using it because it's a fluff undergraduate degree that lets them apply for jobs that require a BA.
My boss fired and my job eliminated as collateral damage. HR person was a lawyer. The entire process sucked 3 months of knowing job gone so I could get severance. One of her parting comment to me “ I hope in a years time if we run into each other you won’t hate me”. Lady you had better hope I don’t run you over with my car in 5 years but I just smiled and kept silent. That was 10 months ago I landed a good job within 2 weeks of term date. Their loss, I was getting calls six months
later from staff and had to write a letter to them to have my cell removed as their storage company called only me. Took 3 people to not replace me.
The fact that you write English at a 2nd grade level might have something to do with your employability.
I once heard someone say, ‘the truth hurts,’ and it seems like your post really struck a chord. You revealed a few too many HR secrets, and it definitely got people’s attention.
Our HR encourages us to attend mental health hour (on our lunch break, of course) via zoom… or they could pay us enough to see a REAL therapist that we aren’t going to be fired if we’re honest. Unbelievable people attend these.
Every HR department I’ve dealt with are ultimately working for the company’s bottom line
sadly this is also my experience. only in two companies a girl from hr was on my side and gave me good advice and help
Every HR department is ultimately working for the company's bottom line
Honestly, absolutely not. They might THINK they are. But basic things like lazy lay-off execution or low-balling top candidates and more are not beneficial for a company in the long-run or at-all.
The reality is that HR typically is not particularly competent, skilled, or motivated. Many dont know their industry, or take the time to learn a surface-level perspective of it.
That is literally their job. In fact, that’s everyones job at the end of the day.
This is a great post and for anybody in the workplace currently who’s having issues at work, you should read this post over and over again, so you’re absolutely clear.
I do not trust HR at all. One time I was bullied at work because my boss was incompetent and didnt realize how long it would take. Instead of facilitating a mediating conversation, I was ignored by my boss for 6 months and they even took away my project and tried to fire me. They couldn’t though, because I did nothing wrong. They wanted to get me to quit. Well, when I found another job and quit, they were very curious about whether I found another job or not. I didnt even tell them that. Don’t tell them anything. They strictly report and work for the big boss and they will act like your friend but when their boss demands that you go away, they will follow suit. There is no reason to go to HR ever.
I was laid off 2 months ago. I was about to be in a position to have to be evicted from my apartment. Yesterday I had an interview and got hired right away. So glad I won't hafta be evicted anymore!
Even the name itself, Human Resources, is dehumanising.
Yup, I hate the name.
How about when the Federal government started calling us Human Capitol. Nothing but a line item to leadership, a line item to reduce.
They should call dehuman res
@@ALifeAfterLayoff What about "People Operations"? Or "PeepOps"! Isn't that the cutest? 🤮
@@farisakhtar4824 Mate compared to other countries, HR is actually kinda nice.
lol I worked at a company that had a fire drill. Once everyone was outside they did the layoffs and you could not get back into the building.
As to confidential job listings, Ive always found it funny when a company eliminates the department and opens confidential job listings to hire new people for the department. I find out when the recruiters call me on a job Im a perfect fit for. They tell me it is a confidential job listing and I ask "Is it for company xxxxxx" They always confirm it.
Walmart does this also
Could be worse. They could have security watching them pack their desk and escort them out like they're some kind of criminal. I hear about that a lot.
My sister's old company kicked her out and packed her desk for her & had her pick it up at the front door.
@@vigglarodz Walmart has security pack your trash while you wait at your car
I have had fire drills and always took my personal belongings with me. Never thought about a lock out.
@@vigglarodz yup, in Ireland they do the same....
Expect your manager to keep documentation too. When I was in management I was trained and coached to do this, especially when I had employees actively complaining about me. But it was also important to remember the successes to be able to praise employees and encourage them. It is easy to remember one recent bad interaction and forget all the good someone has done. As an employee, there is nothing wrong to keep documentation on your interactions with others as well. But you have to be careful, many managers don't like being told about the times they contradicted themselves. Keep it in your back pocket hoping you won't need it.
I've worked for the same corporation for 30 years and I emailed my letter of resignation two hours ago, so I expect to hear from HR soon.
Congratulations!
30 years? You'll have to sue them for that pension.
@@visceratrocar Pension was rolled into 401K about a decade ago.
Whenever someone asks about layoffs at our company meetings, the response that HR gives is something along the lines of "No layoffs planned, but if it does happen, we'll do it with care." I don't see how it's done "with care". It's the same every time. You get a video call on a Monday morning, get locked out of your accounts before you can say goodbye to anyone. And when you come and get your stuff, they have security escort you in and out. I wish the impacted employees could be treated like human beings, and not like people who will cause trouble or steal something out of spite.
I worked at a couple sites as a security guard and had to drop off a couple boxes at their station while they were in the officer getting the news from HR and then we had to witness them pack their personal belongings and then I'd walk them outside. They'd (understandably) be mad, profane, upset, etc. and I'll just say "Yes ma'am, I understand." until we got outside to the parking lot and the completely agree and empathize with them once we were out of earshot. One of the worst posts I've held.
HR is crap. I have had many jobs and always gotten stellar reviews. Nonetheless, layoffs. In every case all of us were let go sneakily and suddenly, locked out of our computers and walked to the door like criminals despite having done our best and displayed loyalty. I would NEVER, EVER again be loyal to ANY company. They have never kept their promises even when they said something in emails! I would NEVER give any notice when leaving. From now on, I am only loyal to ME and my family. Employers have done them to themselves, and it's epidemic.
It is at will employemnt in this country. U were born here and u dont know. Wht a mr0r0n of you😅
I have had many bad employers in my life. Couple of things I remember. One company didn't pay me and was telling me my check was in the mail. I was expected to keep working. I was in a position where they forced me to quit because I wouldn't work for free. Another story is when I worked at a place and noticed some unethical practices. I was doing my job by the book. It was one of those "The law requires I say yes" but gesturing the opposite. So I did the right thing. They started writing me up for little things, anything really. Then fired me and they used those write ups (which I signed) against me. I learned after that, never sign anything if you don't feel comfortable. I should have stood my ground instead.
I am aware of all of these... I still speak up... 19 yrs and counting... I am not a slave. Work is an arrangement, a contract with 2 independent parts. I have agency over my career and life. They don't even have to agree but they HAVE to respect that, or I'm gone.
HR used to be quite professional. (80s-2000s). They haven't been since 2000, and your examples highlight this. I know of multi-million dollar multi-national companies that contract out their HR processes. Big mistake. Luckily I am former HR.
I appreciate all your work.
Our former HR manager was fired for giving herself an 50% raise. The new HR person (temporary) doesn't know beans about HR and is making terrible decisions. Where I work is a joke. It's been a decade plus of cronyism and bosses with no actual skills making decisions.
I bet if you were a worse employee you could get promoted!
So a normal corperation
HR is not there to protect you. It's there to protect the company. Also, those "anonymous surveys" they send out and never anonymous. Anything negative you put in will be used against you.
I love getting the call asking me if I forgot to fill out the anonymous survey. If it was anonymous, how do you know I haven't filled it out?
Some companies have hit lists
That’s awful! 😮
You can also use HR to your advantage. Being in the company for many years I knew a call to HR would be reported immediately to a couple of levels above my boss. It was very frustrating to often get left in a position of doing what was previously the job of three people. Then of course the bonuses virtually disappeared because the numbers were starting to slip. I was pretty sure I would be considered a very valuable employee and was prepared to leave if it didn't work out. What I did was make a call to HR asking how benefits, vacation and sick hours are handled if I were to leave. Then a few days later my bosses boss was present and asked to talk to me privately. Then a couple weeks later he told me they were expanding a place across town and they wanted me to lead that one. It is a much better environment and a large pay increase.
I always have loved your channel as you give good advice. I was looking forward to this one. Everything you have said how a HR department (esp in a larger company) works is so true. I have seen first hand most everything you have said. Stay observant because they do not have your best interest at heart.
HR is always on the side of the company, even if they defend your side in complain or anything... they are protecting the company from the ''worst'' case senario... HR are your enemis as a worker
remember this, if you go to HR to complain about another employee, you only get about 2 or 3 opportunities to do that in your tenure at the company. around the second complaint, you are categorized as a "high maintenance" employee. So if you're going to complain to HR, it better be for a good reason and you better be comfortable that you can find another job.
I suffered for years working with a micromanaging narcissist but I refuse to go to HR. The only time I went to HR to complain was during my exit interview after I found another job
At this point I would suggest to look into your local employment laws and learn as much as you can by yourself. Basically you need to advocate for yourself, and act like an attorney. As some posters said at this point it's more convenient running your own business even at a microscale level rather than being subjected to further bs.
Not all confidential postings are because the company is replacing an active employee. Sometimes, especially with higher level positions, the person is leaving on their own accord, and all parties agreed to list the upcoming opening as confidential for a variety of reasons.
I worked for a compnay that asked everyone in the department to list our education, experience and skills after a merger. They explained that they were just looking for ways to create "synergies" and leverage skillsets across the newly merged compnay. A month later everyone in the department was demoted to align with job code levels at the acquiring division which was in a lower cost of living state. In other words, our skills and experience didn't really matter, they were going to demote us no matter what our backgrounds were. I had a feeling the next step was layoffs so I left that compnay.
One place I worked, claimed to be having financial struggles. This was nothing new. Everyday we got told the CEO was tanking with a net worth of $450 million dollars. Anyway, the area manager wanted bank statements from all of us to know how much we had. I gave him a statement from an online brokerage. He could not make heads or tails of it and did not ask anymore questions.
He's correct 💯💯. I experienced these same situations at a former employer. When the company got a new HR, I was requested by HR for a meeting for a write up. The HR didn't do the write up because the company didn't have a collective agreement with its employees. Also the situation happened before the HR was in place at the company. HR went around and asked the other employees about me and all of them said good things about me. I was released from the company and wanted me to sign a release form. When I told her that I will have my union rep. look over the release form she was surprised. I was surprised that the release form stated that I had resigned, when actually I was being released by the company. Later the company's HR wanted to return to the company ( 3 months ) later. I later found out that the company had told employees, that I had a visa issue. It was a lie... Now the company is under new management, but with the same problems.
In my experience, HR causes more liability than they prevent. They will brazenly break every law and every known principle of ethics to fuel their own egos.
They think they know better than you, especially in regards to the law. More often than not, they don't.
Hell, they usually don't even understand company policies. They definitely haven't read the employee handbook.
And remember, if you have a disability or have a legitimate concern, they will go out of their way to fire you or make your life harder.
I have only met one or two legitimately good people in HR. The rest were the scummiest of filth that even a low class lawyer couldn't hold a candle to.
Human Resources is no replacement for well trained management.
The ADA exists for a reason. A company can't just hold a disability against you. If you have a disability, ask about accomodations if warranted. There is a process for that, usually. You can also look at going on FMLA.
What is frustrating is having to manage managers and explain policy and provisions to them, making sure they are documenting things and following procedure. It can be like herding cats.
It’s no wonder open job positions are not being filled by companies. Nobody wants to work for a company exhibiting these kinds of behaviors.
I've worked for a few corporations and I can honestly say that only one company that I have ever worked at had a HR department that was helpful for employees.
I've yet to experience an HR department I can trust. Even coworkers cannot be trusted. I once helped a pal get a job at my company and he backstabbed me to get rid of me.
If a company asks to rank yourself, always inflate it. Also update resume, profile and everything and prepare to be ejected anyway.
T-mobile does this right now to all their U.S. based call center/live chat, back office, administrative, tech support employees.
Wish I'd seen this video 20yrs ago. Naively, I went through most of my working life thinking HR were an _ally_ of the employee. I was so wrong. I haven't worked in an office scenario for years now, as I can't stand the games and backstabbing.
My experience is that HR top job is to protect (and hide indiscretions) of the top executives. They always know whose side they are on.
00:03 Shady practices of HR departments
01:46 HR obsessively documents every step
03:09 HR Department Obsession with Documentation
04:42 HR departments can be shady in multiple ways
06:08 HR may not fulfill promises of salary revision or promotion as stated in offer letter.
07:35 HR departments may deceive employees about layoffs
09:02 HR may use your self-ranking and performance metrics against you during layoffs.
10:37 HR departments have been involved in shady practices.
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Great advice Brian. The bottom line is to take charge of your own career and negotiate to win. HR did come in handy for me when I had a problem boss. I told my boss that I would not have any discussions w/o HR present. Turns out in one session, my boss showed his hand and told me he cut my budget out of anger. I looked at the HR director and his face turned white. My boss was demoted and I found a better job paying 3X my salary.
HR is not your friend. NEVER trust them. If you have an issue with someone that violates your contract, or even the law, SKIP HR and go to anlawyer. If you tell HR first you give then a head start to hide the evidence.
I once walked in on a active termination of a colleague. The person worked in the position only for 3 weeks and was terminated. Then they spun a whole story that the individual is harrassing people and we needed more security. I quietly plotted my exit strategy and decided it is better to have a unionized job. HR is never on your side. Like someone commented, they are liability managers. If you are having a tough time at work find external supports and just look for other jobs. That is the best option for your own sanity and well being.
Last week, they said that we would have to do an auto evaluation of what we do. Good that I see this! Thanks for the advice!
Some other items that I have seen is falsifying evidence to terminate someone, Terminated someone because I use the benefits package too much or because of their age, And one of the most odd things that I’ll say is HR is known to eat their own. By this I mean HR will also fire HR people If they do not like them or they are too ethical or work too fast. I have seen this a lot as an HR professional. So if you’re in the HR profession do not be fooled, you could be backstabbed as well.
AECOM did that to me. So I made lots of videos bashing the company and posted them on my TH-cam channel. My boss Marcus Keay cried to TH-cam and complained his privacy was invaded. So I made more videos about him without using his voice. Those videos made him look bad.
Wow , makes me thankful the company I work for . For one it’s an outside that dose our complaints and it’s anonymous, and company gives everyone laid off get a year pay and benefits. A note on pay structure for new employees is a template no negotiation. One thing our company dose that you showed concern for “ the self review “ I have been given one to fill out for the past 26 years previous to my annual review or my promotions . It’s really awful that some companies use the tactics you describe, your video does make me appreciate where I work .
HR ultimately works for the company, not for the employee. However, they are also tasked with representing employees within the organization, which requires a delicate balance of sensitivity and professionalism. This can be especially challenging if they’re feeling burnt out or simply trying to meet the demands of their role-often leading to frustrations and complaints from all sides. Great video highlighting what happens behind the scenes. At the end of the day, it’s important to remember that everyone is doing their best to protect their jobs!
Tell it to them simply, once your trial period is over. "We've talked about it, during on boarding, nine months after end of my trial period, there will be evaluation. If you attempt to move or in any way delay or cancel the meeting, or I will not receive raise I will be happy with, we'll consider it you giving me two weeks notice." and as a little extra incentive, publish your resume on job boards. Companies killed employer loyalty, treat them with outright hostility.
I've usually found they don't mind an evaluation after the trial period. They may put it off as long as they can, but we have regular promotion cycles every six months. That doesn't mean much, you just don't "exceed expectations" as much as they expected you to. No raise.
@@pipsplay Which is why you need to make them understand, you don't tolerate shenanigans
Everything you talked about has happened to me IRL. I work in IT. Looking back at a particular job role I was in, I had full access to all files. But what was weird was the last 4 months of my employment… they started doing some shady crap. I gave my boss a low performance rating less than 5 months prior, they started to get say things, do things, document things to just get rid of me. When it came to firing me; they had nothing. Absolutely nothing. They told me after 4 years of employment, “it’s just not working out. You’re not the right fit.” Basically, my boss saw me a threat. That’s what I saw at the time. Lord, now I’m so glad I don’t work in such a toxic environment she put me in for those entire 4 years of having panic attacks over her being an emotional abusive employer. Thank the lord they canned me. I’m in a better place.
My HR lost my maternity forms, & as I didn't keep a copy, I wasn't sure of return date. So when they called me to ask when I was returning I said whenever next week, & started back a couple days later. Then found out 6 years later that I wasn't entitled to LSL because they had recorded that I had abandoned my employment, so my 4 years prior was not valid. I didn't get any paperwork about it, or signed any new forms on my return. This was before email was used at my company.
I applied directly to a job and was offered 160k, said no. Then I applied to the same job via a recruiter and then somehow 220k was no longer an issue...
I do not like then HR folks and others complain about the hate they get. Excuses like "I am just doing my job" is no justification. Everyone is free to choose how one earn money, and if they chooses a job where they are going to wreck other people, that is their choice and they should be held responsible for it. I never got the logic behind "I am just doing my job, it just means you justify treating other people bad AND you earn money by doing so.
Exactly. I could never hold a HR job.
HR is filled with failed liberal arts majors. Rarely understand or care about the company business.
I don’t like HR departments being intertwined with talent acquisition. Those companies tend to have a worse employment experience because HR doesn’t take responsibility for high turnover. You’re often left with a department that negotiates unreasonable terms and has no method of taking in that feedback. Don’t mix HR with Talent Acquisition, prefer not to mess with companies that do.
They do the same thing. Hire and fire people. But one thing is for sure they are not your friend. They'll screw you over any chance they get.
It’s the norm in France. HR and recruiters are the same people. It’s when I started working for an American company that I realised it can be two different departments
HR typically doesn't have a clue what the business even does to make money or how. They shouldn't be involved until onboarding, and then only to handle the legal forms and such.
Human Resources is No One's "Friend", "Wellwisher" or any other good terms. They are there FOR THE COMPANY.
There is a Reason for the word "Resources". It simply means employees are "Expolitable Resources". Not even As Humans... But Humans As Resources.. Like Electricity, Water, and other Utilities.
An HR can and will use anything and everything against you. But they will never do anything that benefits the employees, unless in an emergency situation.
HR is usually the last on the chopping block. They have minimal requirements for performance appraisals. Hence, companies don't bother hiring "Compassionate and Talented" people.
The Job of an HR is similar to a bouncer: Follow the House's rules.
The Attempt to Lowball a Salary, Perks, and Benefits are mindboggling. There's NO NEED for them to do this scummy exercise. But they will.
LOL. HR does nothing to benefit the employees eh? Payroll does nothing for you? Okay then.
@@LadyBoBannon so Payroll is from HR? NO. It is from Accounts. HR has minimal involvement especially in the new era or ERP and Automated Attendance systems.
My old managers drove me to suicidal ideation. When I reported what they were doing to me, with all the evidence I collected, hr promoted the managers responsible and did nothing to help me.
When I quit no one asked why I was leaving.
I learned two things during that time.
HR defends the company 99.99% of the time.
I will never work for Costco wholesale ever again.
HR treating people with dignity and humanity woukd require HR to see employees as humans, and not just a number or head count. We also know if anyone in HR sees the employees as human, they're no longer guaranteed to do things that are in the compnay's best interests, and as thus a liability.
The fact that the HR department sent surveys to see people's transportation usage tells me they're planning to force RTO. I dare them!
Very honest video. One of the worst is a combination of two items - Sometimes you have employees who see your "Confidential Posting" and then confront their Manager or HR about it and with a straight face you have to say "I Know Nothing." As an HR Professional I have struggled with this one and have always encouraged managers to give feedback and coaching to avoid replacing an employee but sometimes its hard to get Managers at an organization to do the work to coach someone for improved performance. As ALALO would say, Be the CEO of your career! See the signs and use strategy in how you navigate your career and brand.
Human Resources is a resource for the employer, not the employee
That has always been my understanding of HR. Hearing from HR is like law enforcement showing up at your door. It is probably not good.
On September 25th I got call from recruiter asking would I be interested in contract role at MasterCard. Then I google and find articles like MA will layoff 3% of workforce on Sep 30th. Later I asked recruiter about this and he hasn't called back.
All you need to know is HR departments are there for the employers not the employees. Never trust anyone in an HR department.
Fantastic video! May I clarify a few things? Besides what you mentioned about confidential job postings, another reason they are used is for companies who don't want other companies to see when and for whom they are hiring. Think of a game studio who wants to hire a game developer but they don't want to tip off the competition about what their next IP will be.
People go to HR not because they like (what a BS) working with people, but because they have a safe job (protected by management) and can switch industries easily not like us.
And also they are HUNGRY POWER.
7:00 you should make a video on how to complain
Great video. Hadn’t considered the complaints stuff. Thank you!
4:10 "...so never forget that [the Human Resource Department is there to limit liability for the company first and foremost]"
The crazy thing is I worked with a company that had a layoff ,& I was one of those who got laid off. They tried to lie about it to save face. A employer told the recruiter that was lining me up for a position to ask me “if I really got laid off”. I to,d the recruiter to take my name out the hat for that employer. One thing I will not do is work for someone who questions my integrity.
I ignore "confidential" postings.
My wife and sister dealt with confidential postings in the last 2 years. They both were given NDA's prior to applying. The odd thing was when my sister was hired, and then they gave her the task of firing the person she replaced. ugh!
I worked for a company that was getting bad press nationwide over rumours that they were going to lay off people. The company made a public announcement in the national press that there are no plans to lay off people. Then a month later they announced the layoff of about one third of their staff.
If you have even a legitimate complaint against a coworker or manager, do not complain. Get out of that job as quickly as possible. Even a legitimate complaint will put you on a list. So best advice, if you're being bullied by a coworker or manager, leave the job asap.
Here’s another one: HR often requires an employee to file an FMLA and use sick time/PDO concurrently. This way, when the employee runs out of sick time, they have already exhausted or used a significant portion of their FMLA and there is no longer any mandated protection of their job.
My experience with HR has been mostly adversarial and they are there to protect the company, not its employees. One thing you probably could touch on is how problem staff and managerial individuals often weaponize HR against employees for petty reasons. HR and other coworkers ARE NOT your friends. 🧐
HR departments protect the company, not the employees.
Its true HR deserves the reputation they have earned ,
5 mins in, that’s exactly what they did to me. I won’t mention the company for legal reasons, but man, one of the worst decisions of my life.
I’m an accomplished, successful artist, worked in multiple game design companies.
I’m damn good at what I do.
Here in the Uk there’s this really stupid rule, which protects anyone who’s worked over the 2 year mark, but anyone just under it, doesn’t have any legal rights. I mean, none.
So about a couple weeks, more like a week and a bit, they literally started making stuff up about my performance.
You could tell they were scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to dig up the most menial things which by the way are correctable with a single step, if your guy above you doesn’t like.
Literally the case of - you coloured it blue, we wanted it red. So sorry you’re out.
I was absolutely gob-smacked at how other human beings can become.
These were people who came from another company, who were chums in previous companies, and were there to replace the people before them.
Kind of like a coo coo bird does. Displaces other what to replace with its own.
Totally gas-lit me.
The worse part of it - would even allow me to save my artwork, irrespective of it not being used.
Disgusting, hey?
2 years worth of some really good work I was proud of.
Today I’ve just been head hunted for a job, so hopefully that’ll happen, but I’m not really worried anyway.
I’m just amazed at how people can treat you. Probably replaced me with someone less expensive.
Some new younger, less expensive sucker.
This is what happens when a company prefers hiring after personal recomendations. Sooner or later that creates cliques, and after my personal observation if someone stays for prior many years in a toxic company, it suites them because he, she is toxic, otherwise people who do not fit within a toxic company leave on their own or are spewed. So one toxic element will bring other toxic elements because of preferential hiring through reference.
Their common denominator is that previous toxic company, they spread the disease.
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Yea. I do agree with you that though I was super friendly with everyone in the company, there were two or three people I just didn’t fit in with.
Especially when they’re the new manager, and his buddy from a previous company.
I really did try though to reach out and integrate.
Basically another company replaced the company which originally hired me, and started hiring all the same people who worked at a previous company, slowly replacing a lot of the previous employers with the people they once worked with.
I started noticing one after another after another.
I was thinking at a few points, should I be worried?
My mistake was I didn’t save my work, before they called me in on a surprising day. You know, just to catch up.
I was actually doing really good work, so everything was great in my mind. I actually wanted to proudly show them what it is I was working on, and man it was so good!
I notice a little envelope on the side of a table, (the new) HR sitting there and I just knew they’re firing me.
They completely ignored the company policy (which I actually helped wrote down and re-design for them) knowing very well of the standard protocol of being called in for a performance check, then if the weren’t happy they’d go through steps to help improve my work if there was a problem.
They didn’t care.
Such awful people man.
50 question quiz at my company to get hired and it's on the Employment forms they just read. 90% fail, we say it's your first assignment if you can't bother to read day one we don't want you. So many employees just sign everything and we know they did not read it. HR is not your friend it is here to protect the company. When we lay off or fire someone we always try to wait until the end of the day after they are off company property, if someone puts in a 2 week notice we have security walk them out instantly. We see the worst risk to our company is letting someone on the computer systems when they are leaving so we will assume they are KGB or CIA agents here to steal everything they can.
In all the career fields I have worked in, I have never worked with an HR department that was anything but the most petty, self-absorbed, and valueless group of individuals in the company.
If a person can't do anything, has no talents, has no skills, offers no value, and is generally incompetent, useless, and insecure, that person goes to work for HR.
I have yet to be proven wrong.
If you’re going to complain to HR the final line of your complaint should read, “If this is not satisfactorily resolved by (date) then I will be resigning on (date +1). If you aren’t willing to leave the job then you have no business getting HR involved. These people are not the hall monitors at school.
Great point.
U r Right about HR/admins handling layoffs poorly!!!! I’m in a closing clinic & being redistributed And HR/Admins /leadership can’t handle this right at all! It’s exhausting