I find the whole history of martial arts to be so interesting. Thanks for sharing more work Chadi. I went to Japan when I was 18 to travel and train, I was lucky to be allowed to watch a sumo stable train. Giant men throwing each other for literally hours on end, the only other combat athletes I'd put up there in terms of work ethic is Muay Thai fighters from Thailand. I went to a museum in Tokyo that had footprints of famous Sumo, blows you away to see for yourself!
A good source for this video is the book Sumo for Mixed Martial Arts: Winning Clinches, Takedowns, & Tactics by Andrew Zerling. Sumo as a martial art has surprising depth.then again as you mentioned wrestling is primal.
Chadi, I just want you to know how much I value your work. I think your channel is one of the most important bastions for the history of grappling. Never stop making these contents.
Sumo is similar to the collar elbow style of the Celtic people, they attribute their wresting to their ancestors the Indo-Europeans, which lived around the Black Sea, this is another reason Mongolian Wrestling is so similar as well, due to the close location. If you look up “The Keshengzhuang Bronze Buckles”, it states that Scythian belt buckles, symbolizing a champion wrestling trophy, was found in China and dates back to between 250 and 100bc. It also discusses how they spread their style to the Greeks. Here’s the link; sino-platonic.org/complete/spp260_wrestling.pdf
I don't consider Sumo a martial art, as I do not consider Mongolian wrestling a martial art. Its a sports ritual where men compete to glorify their gods or to see who is stronger. Real marital arts are used for war, just as ju-jutsu was meant to.
There are still KOs in sumo from strikes, the strikes are limited to straight open palms, but they're used to high effect; mostly to push the head upward.
Hi! my name is Lucas and I'm Brazilian! my dad and I watched your videos and liked everyone! But we don't understand it very well! so I came here to ask you to make the subtitles available in Portuguese, OSS
Sumo actually has armlocks, but they use them as way to unbalance the oponent instead... The best example is the tottari throw, wich is like an armbar... But there is a video of a yokozuna explaining how he does one of the main belt throws by locking the arm of the other person in a very painful way... BTW, does judo have a version uwate nage and shitate nage?
@@Chadi thanks! The uki otoshi does really have that same feeling, altho the grip is not from the belt... The other one i dont se how its related, but maybe im missing something... Sumo throws dont usually follow very strict names as in judo tho... That was one of the greatest things judo did, having very specific names for techniques even if the difference isnt that big
I like your coverage of the classism of the arts in japan and in brazil. For me as a student and a person coming from lower income class. I always like the mid 20th century japanese mentality of judo is for all, and why would you pay for judo/why would you charge for judo. I get in the US people are trying to make money, and its part of our society, but looking at the way bjj came from and is going today im not sure more business practice would be good for the heart of judo.
Interesting approach, tough, but those arts are not that aligned in such a straight progressive line. Sumo is ancient, it's the Japanese style of basic wrestling, as every nation and culture had its own style ever since. Ju Jitsu was developed later, of course, certainly receiving influence from Chinese martial arts (which, on its turn, was influenced by ancient Indian martial styles), but Ju Jitsu and Sumo coexisted for a long time, and they still do, once they serve different purposes. Budo as military training had Ju Jitsu in it, and certainly some Sumo as well, once it's a great practice to develop strength and balance. But I don't see this link showing that Ju Jitsu evolved from Sumo, as the origins are completely different. Sumo was turned into an entertainment for the masses, as it is until today (the most popular sport in Japan), while for sumotori it remained as a lifestyle with all its imbued philosophy. In parallel, Ju Jitsu grew in multiple styles and one of them became Judo, another one became Aikido, as we well know for sure. Therefore, I cannot see any evidence or rationale that puts Sumo, Ju Jitsu and Judo in a progressive stream. The sequence Ju Jitsu to Judo is arguable, but we must not forget that there are other styles which derived from Ju Jitsu too, like Aikido I just mentioned.
From the angle of society interests and how it influenced this martial arts and sports transformation, I'm afraid to say that I really don't see much difference at all. Mankind had always had a sort of "bread and circus" policy going on, everywhere on the globe, in any period of time. We had, of course, gladiators in Rome, pankratio in Greece, Sumo in Japan, Bohk in Mogolia, wrestling (catch included) and boxing in Europe and then later in the USA, that deadly ball game in the Mesoamerica during Inca times, and so on... as we have MMA today in our modern society. All of those served the very same purpose for the masses, and a few of them had the philosophical developed altogether, which from these, in my opinion, Judo went the furthest in terms of sophistication and practical effect on impacting society through Kano's education initiatives. But we as human species on the average are still interested in watching violence for amusement.
I think they influenced each other, in an interchange process. We can see that clearly by examining some techniques. My point is that I can't agree that Sumo is Ju Jitsu's predecessor, even if its older (not so much, actually).
Sumo= good for slamming armored enemies on the battlefield. Jujutsu good for samurai to detain civilians using pain compliance. Judo modern sport science based version of this history
Sports and tournaments are one thing. You must stay in boundaries of rules set. But as methods of self defense I think all martial arts should evolve. Thats the only way to improve individually as a practitioner and broadly as a system. When I first took judo and experienced all the grabs chokes throws locks etc. My first question (to myself) was: WHY isn't this being taught in all martial arts/dojos, instead of that the "hiya, karate chop and board breaking non sense? Judo is so real and applicable!! Whether it be a combat system, playing an instrument or dancing..an open mind is essential for progression! Thats my 2 cents..great video!
Judo does not suit for self-defence needs. It is obvious if you have a clue what self-defence really is. If it is not - i am sorry for all of you, folks.
Masahiko Kimura wrote that he thought he was strong until he started learning Karate. That "karate chop" is called shuto uchi, and Kimura training it every day. (Incidentally, Rikidozan knocked out Kimura with that technique in a pro wrestling match.)
I find the whole history of martial arts to be so interesting. Thanks for sharing more work Chadi. I went to Japan when I was 18 to travel and train, I was lucky to be allowed to watch a sumo stable train. Giant men throwing each other for literally hours on end, the only other combat athletes I'd put up there in terms of work ethic is Muay Thai fighters from Thailand. I went to a museum in Tokyo that had footprints of famous Sumo, blows you away to see for yourself!
You're very fortunate
@@Chadi absolutely! I worked hard to get out there and it was life changing, I owe a great debt to the Japanese people I met!
Oh man, you just went whole on PhD level
Thank you this means a lot
A good source for this video is the book Sumo for Mixed Martial Arts: Winning Clinches, Takedowns, & Tactics by Andrew Zerling. Sumo as a martial art has surprising depth.then again as you mentioned wrestling is primal.
I went in depth in their techniques in 2 other videos
There's a solid 80+ technique curriculum in sumo, along with any imported techniques that any individual fighter may employ.
Chadi, I just want you to know how much I value your work. I think your channel is one of the most important bastions for the history of grappling. Never stop making these contents.
Thank you so much
Educational and interesting, hope your channel grows even larger.
I appreciate that!
Great history lesson Chadi! I would love to see the growth of Kosen Judo as well!!
Thank you🙏🏻
Sumo is similar to the collar elbow style of the Celtic people, they attribute their wresting to their ancestors the Indo-Europeans, which lived around the Black Sea, this is another reason Mongolian Wrestling is so similar as well, due to the close location. If you look up “The Keshengzhuang Bronze Buckles”, it states that Scythian belt buckles, symbolizing a champion wrestling trophy, was found in China and dates back to between 250 and 100bc. It also discusses how they spread their style to the Greeks. Here’s the link; sino-platonic.org/complete/spp260_wrestling.pdf
Thanks for sharing
@@Chadi thank you for all you do, you’re channel is very important and you’re doing a great job!
@@thomaswilliams3426 thank you Thomas
Great videos. Would you consider doing videos about shinden fudo ryu and other lesser known descendents of jujutsu?
I'll de my research
One of the first to watch. How nice!)
Welcome aboard
Can't wait.This lineage is the truth.
Thank you
I don't consider Sumo a martial art, as I do not consider Mongolian wrestling a martial art. Its a sports ritual where men compete to glorify their gods or to see who is stronger. Real marital arts are used for war, just as ju-jutsu was meant to.
But they sumo and bokh were used in war too
A very informative video.
Thank you
There are still KOs in sumo from strikes, the strikes are limited to straight open palms, but they're used to high effect; mostly to push the head upward.
Yes exactly
Hi! my name is Lucas and I'm Brazilian! my dad and I watched your videos and liked everyone! But we don't understand it very well! so I came here to ask you to make the subtitles available in Portuguese, OSS
Hello Lucas! I'll try to work on it
@@Chadi 😉☺
Eu até poderia legendar alguns vídeos, mas não tenho muito tempo livre
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Chadi... can you believe Judo failed to recognize the step out as a sign of grappling dominance?
Sumo actually has armlocks, but they use them as way to unbalance the oponent instead... The best example is the tottari throw, wich is like an armbar... But there is a video of a yokozuna explaining how he does one of the main belt throws by locking the arm of the other person in a very painful way...
BTW, does judo have a version uwate nage and shitate nage?
Uwatenage : uki otoshi
Shitatenage : uchi mata gaeshi
@@Chadi thanks! The uki otoshi does really have that same feeling, altho the grip is not from the belt... The other one i dont se how its related, but maybe im missing something... Sumo throws dont usually follow very strict names as in judo tho... That was one of the greatest things judo did, having very specific names for techniques even if the difference isnt that big
I like your coverage of the classism of the arts in japan and in brazil. For me as a student and a person coming from lower income class. I always like the mid 20th century japanese mentality of judo is for all, and why would you pay for judo/why would you charge for judo.
I get in the US people are trying to make money, and its part of our society, but looking at the way bjj came from and is going today im not sure more business practice would be good for the heart of judo.
Agreed! Thank you
Interesting approach, tough, but those arts are not that aligned in such a straight progressive line. Sumo is ancient, it's the Japanese style of basic wrestling, as every nation and culture had its own style ever since. Ju Jitsu was developed later, of course, certainly receiving influence from Chinese martial arts (which, on its turn, was influenced by ancient Indian martial styles), but Ju Jitsu and Sumo coexisted for a long time, and they still do, once they serve different purposes. Budo as military training had Ju Jitsu in it, and certainly some Sumo as well, once it's a great practice to develop strength and balance. But I don't see this link showing that Ju Jitsu evolved from Sumo, as the origins are completely different. Sumo was turned into an entertainment for the masses, as it is until today (the most popular sport in Japan), while for sumotori it remained as a lifestyle with all its imbued philosophy. In parallel, Ju Jitsu grew in multiple styles and one of them became Judo, another one became Aikido, as we well know for sure. Therefore, I cannot see any evidence or rationale that puts Sumo, Ju Jitsu and Judo in a progressive stream. The sequence Ju Jitsu to Judo is arguable, but we must not forget that there are other styles which derived from Ju Jitsu too, like Aikido I just mentioned.
From the angle of society interests and how it influenced this martial arts and sports transformation, I'm afraid to say that I really don't see much difference at all. Mankind had always had a sort of "bread and circus" policy going on, everywhere on the globe, in any period of time. We had, of course, gladiators in Rome, pankratio in Greece, Sumo in Japan, Bohk in Mogolia, wrestling (catch included) and boxing in Europe and then later in the USA, that deadly ball game in the Mesoamerica during Inca times, and so on... as we have MMA today in our modern society. All of those served the very same purpose for the masses, and a few of them had the philosophical developed altogether, which from these, in my opinion, Judo went the furthest in terms of sophistication and practical effect on impacting society through Kano's education initiatives. But we as human species on the average are still interested in watching violence for amusement.
Agreed! But to note, i know jujutsu coexists woth Sumo but Sumo being older you can see that it influenced jujutsu
I think they influenced each other, in an interchange process. We can see that clearly by examining some techniques. My point is that I can't agree that Sumo is Ju Jitsu's predecessor, even if its older (not so much, actually).
Sumo= good for slamming armored enemies on the battlefield.
Jujutsu good for samurai to detain civilians using pain compliance.
Judo modern sport science based version of this history
Judo still works for self defense still experience resistance
Sports and tournaments are one thing. You must stay in boundaries of rules set. But as methods of self defense I think all martial arts should evolve. Thats the only way to improve individually as a practitioner and broadly as a system. When I first took judo and experienced all the grabs chokes throws locks etc. My first question (to myself) was: WHY isn't this being taught in all martial arts/dojos, instead of that the "hiya, karate chop and board breaking non sense? Judo is so real and applicable!! Whether it be a combat system, playing an instrument or dancing..an open mind is essential for progression! Thats my 2 cents..great video!
Thank you. Agreed! One of the best for self defense
Judo does not suit for self-defence needs. It is obvious if you have a clue what self-defence really is. If it is not - i am sorry for all of you, folks.
Masahiko Kimura wrote that he thought he was strong until he started learning Karate. That "karate chop" is called shuto uchi, and Kimura training it every day. (Incidentally, Rikidozan knocked out Kimura with that technique in a pro wrestling match.)
@@marty6522 , and also Masahiko Kimura was a direct disciple of Aikido founder Morihei Ueshiba for a few years.
@@golden_flower343 If you don't think judo is suited for self-defense, you don't know judo.
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