Belt wrestling is found all over the world. Iceland has Glima, Switzerland has Schwingen, Central Asia has Koresh, Mongolia has Bokh, just to name a few. Belt wrestling is one of the oldest genres of wrestling, and deserves better recognition.
Also, if you do their throws by grabbing someone underwear, it becomes an atomic wedgie throw... And yes... Ive used them, and yes, they work...(and, you can say you know tehniques forbiden in mma)
@@Ry-bo9hi you never really humiliated someone in a fight unless you did a shitate nage on them grabbing them by their underwear and throwing them into a wall like that... Ending up with their underwear teared appart, their nuts had crawled up into their body... Their voice gets 3 octaves higher and their self esteem is much much lower... Its too much power... Its purr evil!
There are jacket wrestling styles too - Cornish and Irish collar and elbow are 2 examples. There's a continuum of wrestling style - some are submission but most about throws and involving different grips (belt, jacket, backhold). It's cool
Kosei Inoue cross trains the national team in Okinawan Sumo. Highly effective and extremely important in keeping up with the ever evolving styles of Judo around the world.
It was on NHK back in 2017. It was in the interview he gave on how he brought Japan back to the top after their London showing. He continues to hold training camps in Okinawan Sumo and BJJ. I know for the Okinawan Sumo Camp they went down to one of the islands to hold the camp.
Good overview. Thanks! Okinawa is well worth visiting. Karate, Shima, beaches, diving, etc. It is an interesting cultural/culinary blend of Okinawa, China and Japan. The Ryukyu Kingdom (Okinawa) was a tributary state at times of various China dynasties, later conquered by Japan but it was (is) its own independent state and culture. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Mrs. went to high school there.
Funa Tonaki became the first Okinawa-related Judo player to represent the Olympics Tonaki is a typical Okinawan name, her parents come from Okinawa Though she was born and raised in Sagamihara near Tokyo On the other hand, Yoshiharu Makishi(1997 world silver) and Ryu Shichinohe(2014 and 2015 world silver) Were one step away from being an Olympic representative By the way,Tonaki said I've been beaten by Bilodid in beauty and Judo, So at least I wanna win a Judo fight Nevertheless, she still can't even beat Bilodid in Judo But since she says Judo is the only thing she wants to win against her, she has to win
In argentina there was a sipalki tournament where they made a special ruleset for children, you start in "japanese grip" you can do any throw as long as you dont throw over your shoulder... The first to touch the ground with anything other than the sole of their feet loose... I think its an interesting drill to make things interesting
@@Chadi as fat as i know it was a ruleset for a single tournament... But if it helps, it was called categoria microbios(the ruleset... I dont remember the tournament)
Please make a series on 'How judo came in various country, how it is being practiced there nowadays,and why a particular country got progress in it etc" Cause Judo is the 2 nd largest participated sports in the world and almost every country are practicing it.as I can say in our country India, a nobel prize winner poet Rabindranath Tagore,brought judo/jujitsu in his 'Ashram' about 100 yrs ago,India not so much popular in judo ranking system..but this series will be appreciated by different judokas of different country.
I wonder, is the use of a GI a newer inclusion in this art, I am aware that Jingoro Kano invented the Judo GI, but did Shima copy the GI design like Karate did, or is it a case that Okinawans developed something similar to a Judo GI and it's just a case of parallel eveolution.
I have been to Okinawa 3 times now, but i never heard or saw of this before. I saw some Sumo practitioners, But Shima? Never heard of that style before. I only know about a now deceased Matsubayashi Ryu master named Masao Shima. And let's not forget: Okinawan Kobujutsu! Another okinawan martial art. Karate and Kobujutsu are always practised together on Okinawa.
Wonder if traditional styles of okinawan karate also included grappling techniques from shima. Most of the grappling techniques I’ve seen from “traditional karate” look impractical. Shima on the other hand looks legit and if it was a part of karate at some point it would make it a legit hybrid martial art.
@@SI-ln6tc Well, yes. I practiced the Byxlatök version a little back 30 years ago, that is the version with the low fixed grip like this Okinawan Sumo. Although we used leather straps instead of grabbing the pants. That club also sometimes practiced axlatök, which is also fixed grip but over the shoulders. In later years the frei...tök (freestyle version) has become dominant. That is much more like Judo with free gripping and much of the same throws. Sometimes they wear a shirt and sometimes they don't, so I'm not completely sure if it's Gi or No-Gi, so-to speak. Anyway there is not so much of a ground game, since the goal is to remain standing or get up first, ostensibly to draw a weapon and kill the other guy. :)
@@kevionrogers2605 I actually didn't know about schwingen, so thanks for teaching me something new. Amazing how many different styles of wrestling/grappling that exist.
@@Chadi I've always wanted to try mainland sumo, it's actually my favorite sport to watch. I cross train in freestyle wrestling regularly, but I haven't done much greco-roman since highschool. I wish there was enough time to do it all.
Gichin Funakoshi in his autobiography talked about the old version of shima called " Tegumi " or " Muto " . There he mentioned that a bout was over with a pin or submission . Belt grip wasn't a must there . Same thing was said by Nagamine Shoshin . I guess the okinawans later tried to copy japanese sumo like they tried to copy kendo in karate to fit into the mold of japanese society . Btw thanks for the video .
I'm an American who wanted to do sumo but American sumo is basically dead on the east coast. I'm starting to train for judo so this is super interesting.
I think when I get my yellow belt I will feel like a real judoka right now I don't feel like I can proudly say I am or have the right to say that as of now
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Belt wrestling is found all over the world. Iceland has Glima, Switzerland has Schwingen, Central Asia has Koresh, Mongolia has Bokh, just to name a few. Belt wrestling is one of the oldest genres of wrestling, and deserves better recognition.
Also, if you do their throws by grabbing someone underwear, it becomes an atomic wedgie throw... And yes... Ive used them, and yes, they work...(and, you can say you know tehniques forbiden in mma)
Turkish oil wrestling has pants and you are grabbing the inside of the pant, you can call it belt grip
@@gingercore69 lmao wtf
@@Ry-bo9hi you never really humiliated someone in a fight unless you did a shitate nage on them grabbing them by their underwear and throwing them into a wall like that... Ending up with their underwear teared appart, their nuts had crawled up into their body... Their voice gets 3 octaves higher and their self esteem is much much lower... Its too much power... Its purr evil!
There are jacket wrestling styles too - Cornish and Irish collar and elbow are 2 examples.
There's a continuum of wrestling style - some are submission but most about throws and involving different grips (belt, jacket, backhold). It's cool
In Goju Karate we played a hybrid Japanese Sumo/Okinawan Sumo. We did not used GI tops. Rules were close to Japan Sumo.
I have never even heard of this!! Thank you Chadi
Thank you Paul
Thx to Chadi for bringing awareness to martial arts not many has known
I appreciate it
I'm loving your whole "Vs." Series… Judo vs. Lethwei in particular was really eye opening!
Keep it up, my man!
Thank you 🙇🏻♂️🙏🏻
Kosei Inoue cross trains the national team in Okinawan Sumo. Highly effective and extremely important in keeping up with the ever evolving styles of Judo around the world.
Really??? Is there video??
It was on NHK back in 2017. It was in the interview he gave on how he brought Japan back to the top after their London showing. He continues to hold training camps in Okinawan Sumo and BJJ. I know for the Okinawan Sumo Camp they went down to one of the islands to hold the camp.
I'll check
Good overview. Thanks! Okinawa is well worth visiting. Karate, Shima, beaches, diving, etc. It is an interesting cultural/culinary blend of Okinawa, China and Japan. The Ryukyu Kingdom (Okinawa) was a tributary state at times of various China dynasties, later conquered by Japan but it was (is) its own independent state and culture. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Mrs. went to high school there.
First time seeing shima in action
Thank you for watching
Thank you for watching
You're welcome
You're welcome
Funa Tonaki became the first Okinawa-related Judo player to represent the Olympics
Tonaki is a typical Okinawan name, her parents come from Okinawa
Though she was born and raised in Sagamihara near Tokyo
On the other hand, Yoshiharu Makishi(1997 world silver) and Ryu Shichinohe(2014 and 2015 world silver)
Were one step away from being an Olympic representative
By the way,Tonaki said I've been beaten by Bilodid in beauty and Judo,
So at least I wanna win a Judo fight
Nevertheless, she still can't even beat Bilodid in Judo
But since she says Judo is the only thing she wants to win against her, she has to win
I'm with her 100%
That looks like a really nice warm up for Judo, or way to practice balance and breaking balance though.
In argentina there was a sipalki tournament where they made a special ruleset for children, you start in "japanese grip" you can do any throw as long as you dont throw over your shoulder... The first to touch the ground with anything other than the sole of their feet loose...
I think its an interesting drill to make things interesting
I'll look it up
@@Chadi as fat as i know it was a ruleset for a single tournament... But if it helps, it was called categoria microbios(the ruleset... I dont remember the tournament)
@@gingercore69 thank you 🙏🏻❤
Please make a series on 'How judo came in various country, how it is being practiced there nowadays,and why a particular country got progress in it etc"
Cause Judo is the 2 nd largest participated sports in the world and almost every country are practicing it.as I can say in our country India, a nobel prize winner poet Rabindranath Tagore,brought judo/jujitsu in his 'Ashram' about 100 yrs ago,India not so much popular in judo ranking system..but this series will be appreciated by different judokas of different country.
I have a video called the japanese disapora an old one talks about this
I wonder, is the use of a GI a newer inclusion in this art, I am aware that Jingoro Kano invented the Judo GI, but did Shima copy the GI design like Karate did, or is it a case that Okinawans developed something similar to a Judo GI and it's just a case of parallel eveolution.
Shima is around 300 years old, possible the gi is new
I have been to Okinawa 3 times now, but i never heard or saw of this before. I saw some Sumo practitioners, But Shima? Never heard of that style before. I only know about a now deceased Matsubayashi Ryu master named Masao Shima.
And let's not forget: Okinawan Kobujutsu! Another okinawan martial art. Karate and Kobujutsu are always practised together on Okinawa.
Interesting! It looks similar to Irish collar and sleeve wrestling. Have you looked into the history of that art?
Yes i have a video on that
Wonder if traditional styles of okinawan karate also included grappling techniques from shima. Most of the grappling techniques I’ve seen from “traditional karate” look impractical. Shima on the other hand looks legit and if it was a part of karate at some point it would make it a legit hybrid martial art.
In Spain there is a similar sport, but only in a region.
What's it called???
@@Chadi Leonese wrestling
how old is Okinawan Sumo (Shima) and tell me of history?
Reminds me of Glima (byxlatök), the old Norse style of wrestling.
Is it still practiced?
@@SI-ln6tc Well, yes. I practiced the Byxlatök version a little back 30 years ago, that is the version with the low fixed grip like this Okinawan Sumo. Although we used leather straps instead of grabbing the pants. That club also sometimes practiced axlatök, which is also fixed grip but over the shoulders.
In later years the frei...tök (freestyle version) has become dominant. That is much more like Judo with free gripping and much of the same throws. Sometimes they wear a shirt and sometimes they don't, so I'm not completely sure if it's Gi or No-Gi, so-to speak.
Anyway there is not so much of a ground game, since the goal is to remain standing or get up first, ostensibly to draw a weapon and kill the other guy. :)
I was going to say that too that it reminds me of belt hold wrestling like glima and swingen.
@@kevionrogers2605 I actually didn't know about schwingen, so thanks for teaching me something new. Amazing how many different styles of wrestling/grappling that exist.
Me too I'll cover it
Is this the same as Tegumi?
Shima looks like it'd be fun to cross train in.
I prefer mainland sumo or greco roman wrestling
@@Chadi I've always wanted to try mainland sumo, it's actually my favorite sport to watch. I cross train in freestyle wrestling regularly, but I haven't done much greco-roman since highschool. I wish there was enough time to do it all.
@@rustyshackleford735 i wish too, so many things i want to try
was Okinawa Sumo (Shima) created by Tegumi in history ?
Gichin Funakoshi in his autobiography talked about the old version of shima called " Tegumi " or " Muto " . There he mentioned that a bout was over with a pin or submission . Belt grip wasn't a must there . Same thing was said by Nagamine Shoshin . I guess the okinawans later tried to copy japanese sumo like they tried to copy kendo in karate to fit into the mold of japanese society . Btw thanks for the video .
Thank you! Tegumi will have it's own video
@@Chadi great !!!!
EXCELLENT
Shima means Island I studied Shima Jitsu in Brooklyn NY w/Master Steve
wasn't he that quack that vice reported on teaching all that bushido to hasids? lol
Yes exactly
I'm an American who wanted to do sumo but American sumo is basically dead on the east coast.
I'm starting to train for judo so this is super interesting.
Although this looks like ssiruem. I've seen your other sumo content.
This is basically the same as Glima.
Yes
I think when I get my yellow belt I will feel like a real judoka right now I don't feel like I can proudly say I am or have the right to say that as of now
Best of luck
Is tengumi and shima the same?
No
it is like Asian beltwrestling
Same
Like Glima. Like Backhold.
I think Karate throws came from this
Tegumi too
I was thinking tegumi and shima is same
Not necessarily
Its almost like korean ssireum, which would be a good video to do sometime in the future.
It's on the list
@@Chadi Also consider Senegalese, Ghanadian and Sudanese wrestling with punching.
@@SI-ln6tc sure
Check korean sumo
Sure
Point for Okinawan Judo: a little more modesty when dressing.
Haha why??
@@Chadi Sorry for my mistake. I traded Sumo for Judo. It broke my joke!
It's obvious how embarrassing Japanese sumo underwear is.
Okinawan Sumo and Jiu-Jitsu both were mixed with Chinese martial arts to form Karate. Which explains why Karate has similar grappling moves as Judo.