Sumo: Judo's missing link 相撲 柔道

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  • @rubenrelvamoniz
    @rubenrelvamoniz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Sumo for Mixed Martial Arts: Winning Clinches, Takedowns, and Tactics a Book by Andrew Zerling changed my mind on sumo wrestling and its depth as a martial art

    • @oldlifter530
      @oldlifter530 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you

    • @cancontrl
      @cancontrl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You ever watch the old UFCs and Pride fights?

    • @oldlifter530
      @oldlifter530 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cancontrl own some original UFC fights dvds

    • @lj3287
      @lj3287 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the book info!

    • @cancontrl
      @cancontrl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@oldlifter530 just mentioning because the pro sumo fighters did not fair so well in mma. Mostly a spectacle. Not saying they cant now be contenders, though

  • @fernandohsantos
    @fernandohsantos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    In my youth, when I practiced Judo, often our sensei would put up a Sumo training for us, just taking off the Wagi. This was used to strenghten balance and base. In Brazil, within the Japanese descendency colonies, it used to be very common to train Judo and Sumo, or Karate also.

  • @Ongyokage6389
    @Ongyokage6389 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Sumo is so dope! One of my favorite throws is Yagura Nage. Its so satisfying when done properly.

  • @-Thunder-Warrior-
    @-Thunder-Warrior- 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ties nicely into your recent Mongolian Wrestling videos too.
    Lots of Mongolian's getting into Sumo and doing very well!

  • @aluisiofsjr
    @aluisiofsjr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The sumo fighters of the past were way slimmer.

    • @lancemannly
      @lancemannly 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Even sumo wrestlers 60 years ago were way slimmer. The trend of getting fatter and fatter has been a progressive one over the last half century and its unfortunate. I mean sumo wrestlers have on average a 10 year shorter lifespan than the general Japanese population. That's messed up

    • @benjaminmckay2220
      @benjaminmckay2220 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ther are still some slimer ones like Wakatakakage ,Wakamotoharu ore Enho

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@benjaminmckay2220 yeah

    • @colemanstarr5404
      @colemanstarr5404 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Chadi did an earlier video about that

  • @CJ-uf6xl
    @CJ-uf6xl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi Chadi.
    Brilliant video! I see a lot of Tomiki Aikido in there as well, I have trained a little Sumo in a self defense class surprisingly enough. The cross over with Ju Jitsu/Judo and Aikido runs right through it, as you mentioned "a missing link" it's a shame that a lot of folks just think it's two rather large gentleman pushing each other.
    I wholeheartedly agree with you, if you get the chance to train with someone who has had experience in Sumo go for it! It's an eye opener for sure!
    As ever Chadi thank you.

    • @TheCCBoi
      @TheCCBoi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thye have a cheap sumo training camp in Southern California. If you’re that way, check them out.

  • @Soaring_Hawk
    @Soaring_Hawk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Beautiful. I love watching sumo

  • @alLEDP
    @alLEDP 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Didn't Shohei Ono and Lyoto Machida do Sumo somewhen (for a extended period of time) in their career? Alone from those examples one can see that their is ALOT to learn from this ancient art.

    • @MiSiOtH
      @MiSiOtH 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He was. There is a documentry about how he was preparing for a no weight category tournament in Japan.

    • @MrKahunadog
      @MrKahunadog 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wonder if he was still hitting people with osoto gari/gake?

  • @shadowfighter6445
    @shadowfighter6445 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sumo wrestlers are awesome, thank you for sharing.

  • @RenegadeRanga
    @RenegadeRanga 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was fascinating mate.
    Definitely a different way to look at sumo.

  • @QuantumPyrite_88.9
    @QuantumPyrite_88.9 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome as always Mr. Chadi . Always Liked & *SHARED* . Thanks again .

  • @nathaniellococo2888
    @nathaniellococo2888 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've always loved sumo wrestling

  • @basilistsakalos9643
    @basilistsakalos9643 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You sir, have nailed the essence of Japanese Bujutsu/Budo. Historically Sumo is the indigenous grappling art, it 's the basis. Then in the Warring States era there is Yoroi Kumiuchi, grappling with armor and armed. It developed to the generic term of Taijutsu. Which developed to Yawara/Jujutsu. Which branched to the different Jujutsu ryuha. Which a combination of them created Kodokan Judo, and eventually Aikido. Atemi waza are an integral part of the old method to set up the nage waza. Weapons were also an integral part of Taijutsu. Armor was an integral part of Yoroi Kumiuchi. Aikido might be considered as advanced pinciples of swordmanship applied in movement of already advanced grappling practitioners. All these arts are interconnected. Sumo is the base of all.

  • @MrKahunadog
    @MrKahunadog 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you Chadi, nice video discussing Sumo.
    Rules and scoring make combat sports repeatable, while they also build certain types of strategies lending to certain tactics(techniques).
    What I like about Sumo is you score if anything of your opponent touches the mat(deck) aside from his feet. As opposed to Judo which the over arching goal is ippon(both shoulders hitting with speed, power, technique).
    The sumo rules give a more wrestling mentality as you look to grind away vs Judo the perfect throw is ideal. Both are beneficial yet bring out different elements in practitioners. Imo ability to play different sports develops different archetypes lending to versatility.
    Another aspect I appreciate is scoring if your opponent goes out of bounds. This is another useful sckill - ring cutting, wall playing.
    Both of these skills are useful in Judo, grappling sports and self defense.

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for this insight

  • @bruceparker6142
    @bruceparker6142 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    After watching sumo technique videos I realized what people refer to as no gi judo might actually be sumo.

    • @jaythompson4200
      @jaythompson4200 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      We've always had no gi judo at our club. I then got the sumo for mma book and had the exact same thought.

  • @Saitoshiba
    @Saitoshiba 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad you made another video about sumo. I started practicing sumo when I realized that best way to train my balance for judo is with sumo. Sprained my ankle because of bad posture during practice, so I found that with sumo, I would decrease my chance of that happening by a lot. The first day that I went to sumo practice, they laughed about my posture because I was all wrong. Mostly because in judo, you are not stressing over someone pushing you outside of an area, you just don't want to get thrown. So that changes a lot. The amount of leg strength and balance that you need to not be pushed or touch the ground is phenomenal. I think judo is becoming more of a watered down version of grappling with the new rule that you can't grab below the belt. Also, most judo throws that peoppe use are all out sacrificial throws. Its beautiful and has good form, but in a self defense situation, if you can throw someone and be standing up, it's the best scenario for you. I find it awesome when a sumo wrestlers throw somebody out of the ring or on the ground and he is standing up. That is the most optimal scenario for you to either deal with another attacker or run away. Now if you throw yourself with the person and get entangled, you either will get kicked or stabbed.

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes Sumo has a lot to add for a judoka

  • @Saitoshiba
    @Saitoshiba 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another thing to add. 6:51 I watched this match a bunch of time and am always amazed of how quick and how technical he managed to dodge to behind the other one and throw him. That's why I love sumo. So simple, but also so magnificent and technical

  • @RODRIGAOBARRETO
    @RODRIGAOBARRETO 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great point of view.

  • @henrikg1388
    @henrikg1388 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think Sumo is very impressive. These guys are for real. And the old black & white video holds up to modern scrutiny (unlike some kendo films you posted earlier). But I fail to see what you are proposing. Do you think that the IJF should lobby the IOC to accept Sumo as a no-gi judo version? I don't think that would be the right approach. I think Judo needs a freestyle division with the gi.

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I guess what I'm trying to say is, in terms of a complete stand up grappler, sumo is a great addition to a judoka, a new fighting range, clinching (no gi stand up judo in a sense), and the shoves and palm strikes can be great for self defense not so much concerned with IOC

    • @henrikg1388
      @henrikg1388 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Chadi Actually, in my first Judo club, we used to do Sumo randori about 2-4 times per semester. We took off the gi jacket and set up square areas. However, it was almost never a clinch to do a Judo style throw. It was pushing power and foot sweeps, so the main focus was improving balance. Maybe it was a tradition, now gone, that had lost it's original purpose. But I see no reason why dojos couldn't do so still today.

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@henrikg1388 I agree

  • @fredazcrate4362
    @fredazcrate4362 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    💯👌 awesome my ladd.

  • @larryboone6276
    @larryboone6276 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you ever visit America
    and do a seminar please
    post the info.
    You are one great teacher
    Sensei
    Sifu
    Sa bon nim
    Just trying to express how I
    truly appreciate your content.
    So Peaceful.

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Larry, I still have a lot to learn in order to qualify to be a professor, I'm very flattered, hope I can be a good teacher in the future.

  • @anonymousshawn9996
    @anonymousshawn9996 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just type Sumo on Google then click the Wikipedia for it and go under the “history” tab to find all the historical references to how it used to be and how it got watered down into a “competitive sport of culture.” Don’t forget to check out all the sources and references.

  • @wsl3119
    @wsl3119 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Made my kids do sumo against each other last week 😂 it’s hilarious but it’s also very brutal with no weight class. The dedication for Sumo wrestlers is insane,

  • @kaz5150619
    @kaz5150619 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I consider an underutilized form of training their keiko drills are intense and really practical

  • @Projectdarksource
    @Projectdarksource 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I personally like and respect the maewashi and the men who wear them. I did participate in amateur sumo here in Canada. Its a shame there's no federation or proper club, however once a year before covid hit. there was a Japanese festival here where people could participate.

  • @yogsothoth-tz2bu
    @yogsothoth-tz2bu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Vintage sumo looks pretty bad ass.

  • @HIGHSCHOOLGraduateSNOOPMENUCE
    @HIGHSCHOOLGraduateSNOOPMENUCE 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sumo and Judo good combo

  • @David-wq3dq
    @David-wq3dq 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    sumo is the best standing grappling system period

  • @rokasbalciunas8058
    @rokasbalciunas8058 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That last sumo guy amazed me! :D proves that wheight is not everything

    • @silafuyang8675
      @silafuyang8675 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He is an ex-judoka. Takanoyama the Czech.

  • @marcussaflund3571
    @marcussaflund3571 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always thought about sumo as the aggressive and true way to gain inside control.

  • @kaz5150619
    @kaz5150619 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shoutout my bro from another mo Amita and Amita's Sumo Channel

  • @doritodip8410
    @doritodip8410 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is the under over grip classed as a bear hug? if so it's a bit weird as it's a 50 50 position

  • @doritodip8410
    @doritodip8410 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think sumo is so underrated

  • @marcussaflund3571
    @marcussaflund3571 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the sumo inclusion!

  • @jephilologist
    @jephilologist 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That big boi body is optimized for the sport. That's how much metachasers people are.

  • @fernandohsantos
    @fernandohsantos 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is a kind of international Sumo federation, with competition, in which players fight using a collant and the Mawashi. Just an Obi would not provide enough anchor for the pulling.

  • @StarkRaveness
    @StarkRaveness 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was the last guy European? Amazing fights in the ring, so much going on - thanks for sharing.

    • @colemanstarr5404
      @colemanstarr5404 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He's Czech. I don't remember his real name. He was one of the few relative lightweights to do well in elite sumo. He retired a few years ago.

    • @ericdietz1795
      @ericdietz1795 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takanoyama_Shuntar%C5%8D

    • @StarkRaveness
      @StarkRaveness 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hat off to this guy, unbelievable skill and bravery to take on what’s traditionally a Japanese only sport and cleanup the competition 👊🏼

  • @jadeplanet
    @jadeplanet 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    03:45, the weirding way.

  • @Lift_these
    @Lift_these 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who is the smaller guy in the sumo match. I would like to look him up for his conditioning

    • @廖登平
      @廖登平 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takanoyama_Shuntar%C5%8D

  • @noelfrancisnunez5729
    @noelfrancisnunez5729 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sumo is a great sport and martial art it has open handstikes just like in somenof bas ruttens fights

  • @johnelliott9823
    @johnelliott9823 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    definitely an underrated style of wrestling, your videos corroborate Donn Draeger's contention that "combat Sumo" was the precursor to yawara/jujutsu
    Come next check I'll paetreon you

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you John

  • @gingercore69
    @gingercore69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sumo striking is no joke, just look up sumo knock out and you can see the thing sumo brings to conpetition that judo, bjj and other grapplings usually dont have

    • @gingercore69
      @gingercore69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also, they do have head movement similar to boxing when it comes to striking

  • @kaz5150619
    @kaz5150619 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lonestar and Dark Circle Sumo USA Sumo US Sumo Federation and the International Sumo Federation all offer cool shit on TH-cam

  • @esejose6748
    @esejose6748 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    CHANKONABE!!!

  • @HIGHSCHOOLGraduateSNOOPMENUCE
    @HIGHSCHOOLGraduateSNOOPMENUCE 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sumo does work for self defense street mix it with judo

  • @larryboone6276
    @larryboone6276 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Imagine if you lived in a
    round house and had to defend it!
    The least you do is push the
    Trespasser out .

  • @oldlifter530
    @oldlifter530 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Am I wrong? I'm sure sumo use strikes head butts shoulders and palm strikes