*Paul's Hardware* The "slim optical drive" you said might fit in the area next to the two main drives... Any suggestions on where to go to GET one? I've looked on New Egg and the only ones they have are either externals or ones meant for laptops. Where do you get an internal slim drive meant for a desktop?
Nice, well balanced small gaming machine. Just a tiny note: 500W is certainly not on the low end for this, the system will probably not even break the 300W barrier when gaming. Both the Ryzen 5 and GTX1070 are pretty damn power efficient, only when you overclock the living bejeezus out of them will you even get close to 400W usage, more but still very comfortably within the range of the PSU.
I thought the same thing. I've been annoyed at everyone thinking they need 2 times the power they really do. It's one thing to want to be on the sweet spot of the efficiency curve. It's quite another to spend $100 on a power supply when a $35 power supply will do the job AND enable you to get more/faster RAM or a better cooler.
@@Starscreamious I've overclocked many $35 PSUs. I like EVGA, and you can get a great 450 watt PSU, and sometimes a 550 watt PSU for $35. Sure, you won't be able to overclock a 150 watt CPU paired with a 2080 Ti, but if you're buying those kinds of components, you're spending more than 35 dollars on your power supply. But for a Ryzen 5 with a GTX 1070, a 450 watt power supply is ample, even for overclocking. You DON'T need a 50% margin on your power supply.
@@AtomicAJ74 Please don't tell people to buy a 35$ PSU like it's a reasonable thing to do. The real cutoff is about 70$ or 50$ on a deep sale. Some of those EVGA models are good...some bad. Recommending people cheap out on their power supply is something everyone new to PSU has to learn the hard way not to do. A good PSU will save you money on your power bill, help you OC your components, save your components during power spikes and sags, and last 1 to 2 decades. I wouldn't recommend someone buy the cheapest serpentine belt or brake pads or calipers for their car for similar reasons.
Starscreamious “The real cutoff is...” you put the dollar sign behind the amount, which implies that you may not be in the United States, which is where my comment is relevant. EVGA and Corsair, as well as other manufacturers sell perfectly adequate power supplies in the $35 range. They will last years trouble free. That may not be the case in other countries. As I said, you should not be pairing a 2080 Ti with a 450 watt power supply.
actually if you are staying in a hotel with a TV, you could use an HDMI cable to connect PC to TV, and also pack some headphones with you to listen to sounds!
Wow.! Really nice small form factor build Paul. You have been doing this long enough to know what it's gonna take to make something turn out good. Thanks for making these video's possible.
Liked this for the music. I mean the clip is fucking great, but man the music is so uplifting and goes so well with building a PC. Keep up the good work, Paul!
I'm planning almost the exact same build only I'm waiting until the Phanteks Shift case is available, and a M.2 drive for the OS, 1 less cable to worry about.
Wow, despite the not so great cable management features, I do like the general layout and puny size of that case (esp. since it can accept long graphics cards). I like the classy clean look of the case.
I spent a little more on my portable rig, it's got a 6700k instead of a Ryzen 5 and 32GBs of RAM for Premier and After Effects. But seriously it's so nice to be able to throw it into a duffel bag and head to a friend's place totally worth the expandability trade offs.
I think the Asrock equivalent board would probably have made things easier as things seem to be better laid out on that board. Depends what you have lying around though, I suppose. Another feature of the Asrock board is a USB C type socket which may be interesting and useful for some people.
Nice to see that case in person, since I've had a mitx build with a Xeon for 2 years now. However, I've used the Coolmaster Elite 130 and I really wanted a smaller case. This looks promising, but a bit cramped.
it can fit 3 fan cards, but you give up the 3.5 inch HDD space. the way I mounted my 3.5 inch is I ripped out the optical drive mounting pegs and used 3m mounting tape. 1000 miles of car drives and 6 months later, still holding just fine. makes it a bit heavier though.
This case or the Node 202? Kinda like the Node better since it looks nicer. Anyone got opinions on building ease of use? I'm experienced in building computers just curious which is easier. Less work means I get it up and running sooner.
U can easily fit some full lenght cards in there.. got the Zotac 1070 with dual fan but in full length.. loud AF - guess why he does not show the build running under load Go for a triple fan full length
With slight modding you should be able to fit that low profile Cryorg C7's fan onto the Wraith Spire's larger heatsink for improved cooling performance and still fit in that ML08-H case. Good case choice BTW, mine was a toss-up between that and the Node 202, but I liked the ML08's handle, and room to mod a 3.5" HDD into the slim ODD spot if I wanted to add one down the road.
I built almost this exact same system back in January and the cable management was a fucking disaster. I expected you would make it look presentable at least but I was surprised to see you made the cable runs look pretty damn good.
You could fit a 1080ti in this case with NO thermal issues as this is what is in my build, but the kaby lake i7 gets a wee bit hot under heavy load in the range of mid to high 80s.
@Paul's Hardware, I built a 1600x with the C7, ab350, 980ti, and SX500 in this exact case! I could not for the life of me figure out a good cable management route and put them all over the fan lol. Anyway looking forward to some more info on this system because I feel that the C7 was just too loud because it was not cooling my 1600x enough. I had to take off the side panels and add a tower cooler...
i used the same case for my rig but i used an asus b450-i that has a good cable layout for this case, a more little but very good corsair sf450 psu and a noctua l9x65. It's a fantastic case, with sufficent airflow (forgeting overclock).
Opinions please: I had a thought regarding these mini motherboards : what if the mobo manufacturers design a connector cable that has all the front IO male connection pins on, and is long enough to reach to any side of the motherboard and plugs in on the under side of the mobo. Might be possible to do this for the 8pin power too. Only one that def wont work is the 24pin cable.
I have the same motherboard and i have problems with cable management too. The front headers and 8pin 12v power connector were way out of place to have a decent cable management. I cant utilize the top two 120mm fans of my matx case because of that.
Beautiful Build and Pro cable management, but what bout airflow? The gpu will push hair against the case wall, no exhaust or intake fan, I'm not sure it will last long in a gamer's hand (Play for hours and hours)
Thanks, Paul, that was really helpful. I'm considering this case for a portable gaming build for my son who has just gone to university. No case fans, though, which is a bit of a worry. I guess it's relying on the PSU to suck the air across the CPU cooler area.
So with a different motherboard, would cable management still be such a nightmare? Can it fit a AMD radeon 580 card? Does the case come with dust filters?
Hello Paul! I'm about to buy the pieces to build this set up and I'm wondering why you chose the 1070 mini instead the regular version. I gueds that both versions fit well inside this case and I understand that the 1070mini has less power consumption but is this relevant if it has only 2 fans instead of 3? Is the mini version better because provide less heat to the case? It should be some performance differences between the two graphic cards? Thanks so much!
This is almost like an alternate-universe version of my build: RVZ02 vs. ML08 for case (ML08 is the more mature cousin of the RVZ02), i5-7600k vs r5 1600 (I built it before Ryzen came out, okay?), blower 1070 vs compact open cooler 1070, even a small Corsair PS vs Silverstone. The one thing that remains the same? Challenging mini-ITX motherboard layout from Gigabyte...
i have a hard build for you to come up with i have a design for it but id love to see what ur parts and thoughts are for a build like the one im planning, im looking to build a mini itx computer that i can put in a backpack and go hiking with and still use it at each stop i have power at build would include a monitor keyboard and mouse along with full tower all able to fit nicely inside or strapped to the outside of a hiking bag. ideal weight in full 25-30 lbs max ( yes i know this is impracticle but its a build im thinking about even though a laptop now days can do just as good as a desktop the one i designed has 2 - 2tb ssd's in it) price is not something i cared about in this build.
Hey Paul, I have been looking the last few days for something like this that my buddy wants me to build for him. Just a few simple questions. How was the case? Can you compare it to the Node 202 or others like it with pros and cons? and Lastly, with just two slots for memory, should I go a 2x8 kit or should I do just a 1x16? normally i do 2x8 but thats when I have 4 slots..
Whats the best Ryzen mini-itx board??? There are so many now, the last time I checked ASROCK ab350-mini itx was the best. Since then MSI and ASUS also release their mini itx boards, should I wait for 400 series mini itx boards? Building new PC in may this year
How long did the process to get the AM4 bracket from Cryorig take? I want an H7 for my build but I'm not sure waiting a month or two for it is worth it. And would I just take a photo of my motherboard/cpu and H7 in order to prove I have it or something?
Sweet build :-) Just one question.. You did not once mention a potential issue about the fact that there are no case fans. Are You not worried about heat issues here?
Michael Clausen I have this case and, no thermals are not an issue, in fact arguably better then some tower PCs as this case behaves a little like a open bench due to each component intake air independently.
The follow-up video testing this system is now live! Watch it here: th-cam.com/video/h91T3HwLYIw/w-d-xo.html
Call me lazy, but I would have went with the SG13 variant case, but the portability would have been limited in comparison. Good work again Paul!
*Paul's Hardware*
The "slim optical drive" you said might fit in the area next to the two main drives... Any suggestions on where to go to GET one? I've looked on New Egg and the only ones they have are either externals or ones meant for laptops. Where do you get an internal slim drive meant for a desktop?
Paul's Hardware iP
Are u Australian
Hey Paul, what's the song starting around 08:10? Awesome fit.
I've never seen a small case build. I was blown away at the PCI adapter. That is really neat.
GOOD JOB on the cable management, that's quite creative and needed some super-fine tuning, you did good son, you did good...
Nice, well balanced small gaming machine. Just a tiny note: 500W is certainly not on the low end for this, the system will probably not even break the 300W barrier when gaming. Both the Ryzen 5 and GTX1070 are pretty damn power efficient, only when you overclock the living bejeezus out of them will you even get close to 400W usage, more but still very comfortably within the range of the PSU.
I thought the same thing. I've been annoyed at everyone thinking they need 2 times the power they really do. It's one thing to want to be on the sweet spot of the efficiency curve. It's quite another to spend $100 on a power supply when a $35 power supply will do the job AND enable you to get more/faster RAM or a better cooler.
@@AtomicAJ74
Good luck overclocking on a 35$ PSU.
Good luck not having a catastrophic failure.
You get what you pay for.
@@Starscreamious I've overclocked many $35 PSUs. I like EVGA, and you can get a great 450 watt PSU, and sometimes a 550 watt PSU for $35. Sure, you won't be able to overclock a 150 watt CPU paired with a 2080 Ti, but if you're buying those kinds of components, you're spending more than 35 dollars on your power supply. But for a Ryzen 5 with a GTX 1070, a 450 watt power supply is ample, even for overclocking.
You DON'T need a 50% margin on your power supply.
@@AtomicAJ74 Please don't tell people to buy a 35$ PSU like it's a reasonable thing to do.
The real cutoff is about 70$ or 50$ on a deep sale.
Some of those EVGA models are good...some bad.
Recommending people cheap out on their power supply is something everyone new to PSU has to learn the hard way not to do.
A good PSU will save you money on your power bill, help you OC your components, save your components during power spikes and sags, and last 1 to 2 decades.
I wouldn't recommend someone buy the cheapest serpentine belt or brake pads or calipers for their car for similar reasons.
Starscreamious “The real cutoff is...” you put the dollar sign behind the amount, which implies that you may not be in the United States, which is where my comment is relevant. EVGA and Corsair, as well as other manufacturers sell perfectly adequate power supplies in the $35 range. They will last years trouble free. That may not be the case in other countries. As I said, you should not be pairing a 2080 Ti with a 450 watt power supply.
actually if you are staying in a hotel with a TV, you could use an HDMI cable to connect PC to TV, and also pack some headphones with you to listen to sounds!
hotel tv's universally have crappy sound. It's one of the features they look for when choosing a screen
Shadow Fan I'm guessing it would depend on the hotel you're staying at, but if you ask nicely they might let you borrow a monitor lol
I’m about to do a build just like this with. 1060 6gb and Ryzen 3. Thanks for the video. It’s helped me lots.
that lazy susan was super nice for presenting it as a whole finished build great idea paul!
Wow.! Really nice small form factor build Paul. You have been doing this long enough to know what it's gonna take to make something turn out good. Thanks for making these video's possible.
Good job on that cable management!
Turned out pretty well I think, I like the music choice this vid. Well done Paul!
Liked this for the music. I mean the clip is fucking great, but man the music is so uplifting and goes so well with building a PC. Keep up the good work, Paul!
Best Ryzen Mini Itx builds I've seen so far. Bravo!
I'm planning almost the exact same build only I'm waiting until the Phanteks Shift case is available, and a M.2 drive for the OS, 1 less cable to worry about.
That was perfect cable management Paul! I'm almost glad that the motherboard had weird connector layout. :D
Paul, is it really ok that you didn't use a blower style GPU? how about the temperature inside that build? I hope you answer my question.
Thanks for picking an mITX case that makes sense.
I have my HTPC / Lan PC in this case and I love it
Wow, despite the not so great cable management features, I do like the general layout and puny size of that case (esp. since it can accept long graphics cards). I like the classy clean look of the case.
The best ML08 cable management build on TH-cam!
I spent a little more on my portable rig, it's got a 6700k instead of a Ryzen 5 and 32GBs of RAM for Premier and After Effects. But seriously it's so nice to be able to throw it into a duffel bag and head to a friend's place totally worth the expandability trade offs.
Nice job Paul. That would be killer for someone with a LaunchBox / BigBox install. Just take all your games with ya.
yes finally another Itx build...fyi that case is already setup for a 3.5 beside the gpu...thats what the holes are drilled out for
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Paul :- Mini ITX pc build lol
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Arun Kulkarni Screw that- $1000 for a phone? Hell no. I would build this instead.
Apple is Intel of phones
Who cares about Apple's bullshit
Anime Fan a lot of people who are not interesred in tech
The fact that my sub box today is completely Apple free means that l chose my sources well
I think the Asrock equivalent board would probably have made things easier as things seem to be better laid out on that board. Depends what you have lying around though, I suppose. Another feature of the Asrock board is a USB C type socket which may be interesting and useful for some people.
Nice cable work Paul, clean.
Nice to see that case in person, since I've had a mitx build with a Xeon for 2 years now. However, I've used the Coolmaster Elite 130 and I really wanted a smaller case. This looks promising, but a bit cramped.
I love his build. A Dan a4-Sfx would be an awesome future build
Background music please! at around 4:30
i really love this case. may consider for my first mini it'd build. will wait for test results
A pleasure to watch as always. I've always appreciated this form factor.
it can fit 3 fan cards, but you give up the 3.5 inch HDD space. the way I mounted my 3.5 inch is I ripped out the optical drive mounting pegs and used 3m mounting tape. 1000 miles of car drives and 6 months later, still holding just fine. makes it a bit heavier though.
So hyped for a Raven ridge NUC in the future!
Can i use 2600x for AB350n?
Superb cable management!
Finding PS2 on high end mobo I/O always cracks me up.
This case or the Node 202? Kinda like the Node better since it looks nicer. Anyone got opinions on building ease of use? I'm experienced in building computers just curious which is easier. Less work means I get it up and running sooner.
Thanks Paul, I like the parts but the case I could skip
Very nice build and very chill vid. Just the kind of thing I come here to see.
The 1070 costs around 10'000 to 11'000 where i live, which is like 600 dollars.
Jhasua Gallo That's the price in most places from what I've seen
Jhasua Gallo I believe $480 or so for a good 1070 here in the USA.
I remember buying the 970 for 5'000 (around 300 USD) in 2015...the US dollars were even more expensive back then, fuck miners.
U can easily fit some full lenght cards in there.. got the Zotac 1070 with dual fan but in full length.. loud AF - guess why he does not show the build running under load
Go for a triple fan full length
damn ITX with this kind of specs is love
With slight modding you should be able to fit that low profile Cryorg C7's fan onto the Wraith Spire's larger heatsink for improved cooling performance and still fit in that ML08-H case.
Good case choice BTW, mine was a toss-up between that and the Node 202, but I liked the ML08's handle, and room to mod a 3.5" HDD into the slim ODD spot if I wanted to add one down the road.
Nice build. Sounds like the motherboard plug placement have the most trouble.
With the background music and the way he speaks, it felt like watching 'The Price Is Right'..
Thanks, Paul. I think I'll build this one
I have the RVZ02 (same case layout, small changes) and those side panels are just straight up awkward to remove! Great build though Paul!
Two weeks ago I moved to UK and succesfully managed to bring with me 27' monitor in my luggage :D
I built almost this exact same system back in January and the cable management was a fucking disaster. I expected you would make it look presentable at least but I was surprised to see you made the cable runs look pretty damn good.
Btw, most of the motels I've been to recently have a tv with hdmi input. Not optimal, but it works.
Poul I love Mini ITX builds, thanks for the video!
Paul! I like the build and video. I would be really interested in a follow up with the thermals, quietness, and OC capabilities of this build shown!
You could fit a 1080ti in this case with NO thermal issues as this is what is in my build, but the kaby lake i7 gets a wee bit hot under heavy load in the range of mid to high 80s.
NukeFrywalker what gtx 1080 ti is it? Im planning to put the evga gtx 1080ti sc black edition gaming in this case (or silverstone rvz03)
otakuMCkid6969MRstealYOgirl founders edition with plenty of extra space.
What about total system weight? Also an important factor for a carry-on luggage build.
@Paul's Hardware, I built a 1600x with the C7, ab350, 980ti, and SX500 in this exact case! I could not for the life of me figure out a good cable management route and put them all over the fan lol. Anyway looking forward to some more info on this system because I feel that the C7 was just too loud because it was not cooling my 1600x enough. I had to take off the side panels and add a tower cooler...
i used the same case for my rig but i used an asus b450-i that has a good cable layout for this case, a more little but very good corsair sf450 psu and a noctua l9x65. It's a fantastic case, with sufficent airflow (forgeting overclock).
1:00 goes on holiday and only takes gaming pc with me
Very nice video Paul, keep it up!
Awesome build! Case is alittle off but do-able
I watched this video 10+ Times and build a gtx 1080 version. Thank you for the parts list
Exactly what i was looking for. Good stuff
Nice music on this one Paul, catchy
Opinions please:
I had a thought regarding these mini motherboards : what if the mobo manufacturers design a connector cable that has all the front IO male connection pins on, and is long enough to reach to any side of the motherboard and plugs in on the under side of the mobo. Might be possible to do this for the 8pin power too. Only one that def wont work is the 24pin cable.
Who the hell would down-vote these videos? They're educational as ****.
awesome build Paul
Awesome video Paul! Keep up the great work ^^
A monitor would be a hassle to take with you on vacations but consider a projector its portable and you don't have to worry on breaking the screen
Great job Peter!
This is the pc I'm planning to build so this helps
I have the same motherboard and i have problems with cable management too. The front headers and 8pin 12v power connector were way out of place to have a decent cable management. I cant utilize the top two 120mm fans of my matx case because of that.
Beautiful Build and Pro cable management, but what bout airflow? The gpu will push hair against the case wall, no exhaust or intake fan, I'm not sure it will last long in a gamer's hand (Play for hours and hours)
Such an awesome case
Thanks, Paul, that was really helpful. I'm considering this case for a portable gaming build for my son who has just gone to university.
No case fans, though, which is a bit of a worry. I guess it's relying on the PSU to suck the air across the CPU cooler area.
I was watching other sistem build from you Paul, and I was searching a build with this cpu ahaha, thank you!
i don't know if people realize how miraculous this cable management is. lemonade.
Nice build, I like the handle
That case is really cool. LAN party ready.
So with a different motherboard, would cable management still be such a nightmare?
Can it fit a AMD radeon 580 card?
Does the case come with dust filters?
Hello Paul! I'm about to buy the pieces to build this set up and I'm wondering why you chose the 1070 mini instead the regular version. I gueds that both versions fit well inside this case and I understand that the 1070mini has less power consumption but is this relevant if it has only 2 fans instead of 3? Is the mini version better because provide less heat to the case? It should be some performance differences between the two graphic cards? Thanks so much!
This is almost like an alternate-universe version of my build: RVZ02 vs. ML08 for case (ML08 is the more mature cousin of the RVZ02), i5-7600k vs r5 1600 (I built it before Ryzen came out, okay?), blower 1070 vs compact open cooler 1070, even a small Corsair PS vs Silverstone.
The one thing that remains the same?
Challenging mini-ITX motherboard layout from Gigabyte...
Cable Management in your case (no pun intended) was actually not bad 👍
LOOKS SWEET! Would love to see a LIVE BUILD soon :)
wow i really really like videos such as this... keep up the good work paul :)
I have been debating on doing something like this over buying a laptop, but is it practical?
i have a hard build for you to come up with i have a design for it but id love to see what ur parts and thoughts are for a build like the one im planning, im looking to build a mini itx computer that i can put in a backpack and go hiking with and still use it at each stop i have power at build would include a monitor keyboard and mouse along with full tower all able to fit nicely inside or strapped to the outside of a hiking bag. ideal weight in full 25-30 lbs max ( yes i know this is impracticle but its a build im thinking about even though a laptop now days can do just as good as a desktop the one i designed has 2 - 2tb ssd's in it) price is not something i cared about in this build.
when does Paul build the gtx 1080 ti sli watercooled pc build???
Hey Paul, I have been looking the last few days for something like this that my buddy wants me to build for him. Just a few simple questions. How was the case? Can you compare it to the Node 202 or others like it with pros and cons? and Lastly, with just two slots for memory, should I go a 2x8 kit or should I do just a 1x16? normally i do 2x8 but thats when I have 4 slots..
15:04 "Hit the thumbs up button on your way out" I don't know about you, but I hit the Thumbs Up button on my way IN
Whats the best Ryzen mini-itx board??? There are so many now, the last time I checked ASROCK ab350-mini itx was the best. Since then MSI and ASUS also release their mini itx boards, should I wait for 400 series mini itx boards? Building new PC in may this year
How long did the process to get the AM4 bracket from Cryorig take? I want an H7 for my build but I'm not sure waiting a month or two for it is worth it. And would I just take a photo of my motherboard/cpu and H7 in order to prove I have it or something?
This is a Great Build!
Awesome video like always :) I'm searching for a good mini atx build with the ryzen, so this helps me a lot, thanks!
How about a cube style itx build? Been thinking of upgrading my 2500k matx build later this year and small itx cube style cases just seem so cute. :)
This is a nice build!
I've read bad things about that power supply, would a corsair sf450 fit with this case?
Very cool build. Think a 1700x or 1800x with a 1080 or 1080ti would be too much in there heat wise?
Very nice little critter! :)
Man Paul, that sure was some rascally goof-ball music you chose for the build montage.
do you have in mind any case with similar width but without the extra space for graphic card?
Sweet build :-) Just one question.. You did not once mention a potential issue about the fact that there are no case fans.
Are You not worried about heat issues here?
Michael Clausen I have this case and, no thermals are not an issue, in fact arguably better then some tower PCs as this case behaves a little like a open bench due to each component intake air independently.
I don't think the case is designed to incorporate a case fan. Each component has its own fan facing the ventilation.
Yeah thought so... will start cutting up my own SFF case (Nano S), and build individual compartments for each unit inside now ;-)
nice cable management
Hey Paul, do you think the cryorig fan is better? Or is the nactua 92mm fan batter?