Couple of quick questions since youtube isn't doing the pictures justice: Angle on the D4s looks slightly different, is that the case? The 7200 shot looks a little more flush on than the 7100 which could make the ridges blend in (all the high points would line up, basically). A slight angle change could alter those textures quite a bit. Again, could be youtube's rendering making it look slightly off. Were these all done in jpg, raw, noise reduction on, sharpness settings, etc? I have read the NR in the 7200 is pretty aggressive, could account for some of it.The noise levels in the box label one look different (better in the 7200) I only ask because they are labelled jpg. Could be how it looks on youtube though. It may be possible to run the 7100 through the 7200's processing via capture whatever it's called now, see if it ends in similar results. I'll see if I can find the thread on it after I get some stuff done outside. :)
John Mayfield they were all done in compressed RAW, High Jpegs showed the same results. I am however viewing these for speed in PREVIEW, because VIEW NXD is slow as crap to move around in no noise reduction of sharpness. Should be no diff. in angle, unless i leaned on the tripod, which i dont recall doing. they are labeled Jpg, and are max conversions from RAW with no tweaking, they appear the SAME in RAW in both view NXI and NXD you ARE right on the lowered NOISE on the label, however you'll notice that the detail is greater on the D7100, also if i had to blow these shots in post by 2 stops 4 stops, things get UGLY on the D7200 pic. But these are big time shot zooms, and its CERTAINLY pixel peeping at its "worst" (?) Hehehheheh
619RobdoG I actually think the point of this video was to compare how under ordinary and/or common setting usages how these 2 body styles *For the Cost* perform. I'm a novice so of course some may say that I'm just not savvy enough to grasp either the "un fair performance analysis" or "EYE" for the craft yet. Well if that's true then forgive this commentary. But the Jewel that I find in this Video and *Most* of his videos is that he REALLY identifies the NEED TO KNOW INFO on a particular gear/product. In this video (as in most) he accentuates on : 1)What is the composition you are trying to achieve 2)How are you going about to manipulate your light source to create an Awesome Image 3)Know your gear's capicities and limitations in order to Exceed in my developing skill set. 4) Just get out there and shoot. The key take aways: (a)Unless you are specifically dedicated to Sports and low light shoots there is no need to upgrade from the 7100 to the cost of the 7200. (b)These Camera's essentially carry the same perfomance values once you factor in the specific design differences of the 7200. (c) Weight of 7200 obviously will combat affect of a lighter body. (d) shadow details, which is why we go porn crazy for our perfect glass. With proper creative accentuating lighting adds the Depth & texture that will ultimately expose the beauty of your framed scene; or the horror of my skillset. sorry so wordy I just think my Boi got a raw review. imo.....
ken I love your stuff but I gotta say a few things here. I agree with you when you said somewhere that if you had a 7100 that it would be a waste of money to go to a 7200 due to it not being a big upgrade but I don't have a 7100 and I bought a 7200 and was very happy with th results right out of the box. this is a great camera buddy. my cuz has a 7100 and we did a little testing of our own and although both performed beautifully, the 7200 was better in every shot. the video you put out, I was following and I thought you were making a mistake identifying the low points because the 7200 was easy the winner. just to give it a fair shake I would love to see you do it again full out instead of a shelf in a store. almost all my gear comes from your recommendations but this one I think deserves a redo. I heard you say in one vid, not to even ask you about the 7200 as if you had a huge resentment against this camera. I get it that your and others high expectations were not met due to there not being enough or bigger upgrades or changes for the next model in the 7000 line but the camera stands on its own and I also learned that due to the different sensors and stuff that shooting identical setups and lenses makes no sense since they are different. anyway I'm very happy with mine, I don't pick it up as much since I got my 810 but still grab it whenever I go shoot someplace and always use it. so, thanks, love ya brother and so much enjoy your vids.
Thank you for the effort in evaluating these differences. Now, on to another issue that at least one other person and I are having with the D7200: we shoot flash photography in club lighting. I had hoped to use the D7200 up around ISO 6400 with flash dialed back quite a lot; however, overexposures were a near certainty in both manual and aperture priority modes at anything below f/5.6 or so. While experimenting with getting the flash under control, I found that even *.nef images were hard to process, to retain even transitions of light across curved surfaces like faces; Jpegs were a total loss at high ISO, with very coarse transitions. I've backed my process back down the range I'm accustomed to with the D700: ISO 1600, 1/80, f/3.5 or so, and TTL flash around -1eV. Frankly, image quality is still not as good as the D700, even though this is a 24 megapixel camera with much newer technology all around; nor does it really autofocus that much better in low light. Yes, I understand now that the D7200 isn't a great performer in that ISO range- the point is, it's really never going to be much of a flash camera as far as I can tell. If you have the time and energy to play with flash, or if you're hearing this problem from others, it would be nice to get your take on it. I'll be borrowing a D7100 to compare its flash performance myself. Thanks again, Bob Topp
I need some quick advice/help... both cameras have almost 19,000 shutter count.... the D7100 body only for 280$ plus shipping or the D7200 with 2 32gb PNY elite memory cards and Vello battery grip for 400$ plus shipping... which would you get? Which is the better deal? Thank You
Have you used auto focus or manual focus? I switched from Nikon D70 to Nikon D7200. Done some tests with the D7100 before deciding to buy the D7200. Manual focus helped me to realise that the D7200 was way better than his older brother. Both of them had the Sigma 17-50mm f/2.8 DC EX HSM OS, Photos with ISO 320, F 2.8 at 1/60 shutter speed.
Thank you for your tutorials I enjoy your, to the point attitude. D7200 or D5500??? I courently own a D3100 and I want to up grade but dont want to go full frame because Im broke $. Any suggestions or insight from of these two cameras would be helpful. I am open open to other options as well just keep in mind cost and lenses. Looking for better low light focusing, clarity .I do portraits , family, kids sports. Also do you think mirrorless will eventually take over like DSLR did to 35mm? Thank you.
+S Pina D7100 as new factory refurb is currently $480. :) no, mirrorless is still a battery vampire and not for sports/ action /wildlife action etc. not anytime soon.
+S Pina D7100 as new factory refurb is currently $480. :) no, mirrorless is still a battery vampire and not for sports/ action /wildlife action etc. not anytime soon.
Sorry, but to me the 7200 image looks better. I don't know where you get that the 7200 label image is "blown out". And the D$S images are way too dark to make any comparison.
In looking at the review again, The D7100 has more angle to it then the D7200, so it's not going to look the same. You can tell by looking at the reveal around the lense caps. The D7200 is more of a straight on shot. IMO, 99% of the people won't notice the differences in the photos anyways.
+Theoria Apophasis For night (Milky Way) photography the clear winner here is the D7200, right? But I really cannot afford it. How do you think the D7100 will perform? I'm worried about banding issues with the D7100
Dear Mr. Angry Photographer. I fucking love you. Thank you for making this video. I was trying to figure out whether or not to shell out the extra $300-$400 for a D7200 over the D7100 (upgrading from D3300). I mostly do portraiture and headshots and shoot with strobes at relatively low ISO. Your thoughts really opened up my mind and my local camera store has $100 off the D7100 at the moment, bringing it down to a very tempting yet manageable $829 before taxes. You've helped me make my mind up and I can't thank you enough for it.
I live in Finland, its dark here most part of the year. I must say going to be my first Dslr ownership. I have been borrowing gears from friends, most of them have canon dslr and kit lens. I am willing to get serious into photography, at least learn. I would like to shoot portraits, landscape and bla bla like everyone, but i do want to shoot guys playing football and dogs as-well. What would you suggest D7100 or D7200?
Looking to upgrade from a D5100. I mostly shoot things that don't move - architecture, landscape, macro, so buffer isn't an issue. I was curious about the 7200 lack of the anti-aliasing filter on the sensor and whether that really improved detail capture (glass aside). After watching this video I have to say my enthusiasm for the 7200 is a bit squashed. Refurbed 7100 and spend the difference on some of the "must have" glass??
Frederick L Faulkner III lack of AA does help, yes. Refurb D7100 for about $650 and some awesome cheap (but great) must have glass ......= VERY CHEAP & VERY AWESOME
+Theoria Apophasis Received my 2nd refurbed D7100 today. Returned the first due to what I considered a dirty sensor. This second camera is easily as bad if not worse than the first. Dust specs everywhere. Am I asking too much for a refurbed camera to have a clean sensor??? The clean sensor function in the camera did nothing....
where did you get it from? Adorama ones are Nikon refurbs all with clean sensors of course U should (everyone must) learn how to clean their sensors :)
Hello, wondering if you could help, I need a dx camera to improve the reach of my lens for Speedway, but also need low light capability. what would you say is the highest acceptable iso setting on the D7200? I currently use a D700 and 80-200 f2.8.
+Theoria Apophasis I provide images on flicker for the public to download and newspaper. dont need super quality. i shoot the d700 at iso 2000 and find it acceptable.
yes, used D7100 are cheap as hell (at least here they are). .... you can get all the great cheap lenses to mount on it that cant really be used on the D5000+
What things should I look while getting a used D7100? I heard that a used DSLR with shutter counts from 10k to 15k isn't a good choice to get. What do you suggest? I am in china and I searched some used DSLRs they are around $150 to $200 cheaper than new ones.
What about the banding issue of the d7100? Has any of the firmware updates fixed that yet? It's the main thing holding me back from buying one. Also I might just save up for the d500 instead. That camera is stupid amazing.
hey bro. I've been watching a lot of your videos lately. can you give me an advice here.. my last DSLR camera was D3100 and i want to upgrade i'm choosing between D7100 and D7200. i'm doing wedding photography and videos and also sports photography on my local High school. should i get D7200 or D7100? thank you man you taught me a lot on your videos especially when getting the right lenses.
+Jerome Oquialda nods head..........LOTS Of sports? honestly the D7200 is not a great value , you can get a D7100 for $480 as new refurb. better high ISO performance and bigger buffer (for sports) is all the D7200 has .
+Theoria Apophasis not quite a lot of sports. i only shoot sports on my local High school when it's home game. i shoot a lot of portrait and weddings also events like small concerts in town. i think i would just get the D7100 as i watched this video of yours. the low light detail on the D7200 is not that great. Thanks bro
Great video. I was comparing the two cameras as well last year and I still opted for the D7100 because it better suited my needs. I just wish they increased the buffer rate on the D7100 allow more continous shots when needed. It's no sports camera, its definitely aimed at portrait photographers.
Thanks again, I'm so glad I've seen this. I was tempted by the high ISO claims of the D7200, but as I shoot mostly at low ISOs it wouldn't do me at all!
when you put in a new sensor more aggressive noise reduction algorithms to get better results at high ISO (kind of improvement), you get also "better" noise reduction at low ISO - no wonder the mount cap lines disappeared ...
Just 2 days ago I got d7100 and d7200 1week earlier. I tried d7200 and it was nice, but once I got d7100 and did "lab tests" I was hugely surprised that D7200 NEF 100% match with D7100! Noise character, shadows, EVERYTHING! What Nikon did? They wipe away noise in price of details. And they actually _cheat_ because their NEF plugin from website does same thing to D7200 (i.e. stronger noise reduction), but does not do that to D7100 NEFs. They also literally destroyed LCD top screen, it is not useful anymore. My guess is that they will return LCD back, add articulated TFT and (probably) GPS to next 7300 for same price. Shame on you, Nikon! Thinking of switch to Canon. At least, they do honest upgrades and warranty cares for their customers better. Plus lower L lens.
can u help me ,please? i'm a beginner, i have the d5100 and i want to upgrade to the 7000's cuz i need the video feature for my job and i can't decide which one should i buy. i'm from Iraq. thanks
sir,with humble respect i would like to state, i simulated same shot with d7200, nikon 50mm,f4,400 iso from around 4 feet of distance,even at darker condition. it showed the rings !
RandomBagpipeMan that would be the D750, but the price range is "not there" of course. D7200 is designed to BE a sports, action. low light high ISO camera remember that these are HUGE zoom in's and nasty pixel peeping!! its like finding some flaking pain on the Mona Lisa, im really NOT giving the D7200 "down the road"
I finally get what you were talking about when you pointed out the detail of the ridges of the lens cap. Embarrassingly, I could not understand why I would want the best ISO and low light capability capability for birds. The shadow detail that gives the richness of texture is of greater importance for wildlife. Thank you for that info. How it all plays out against the higher higher buffer, faster autofocus, and lower shutter lag for wildlife photography is still an unknown for me. It seems that the D7200 is designed for wildlife almost as much as sports. How much of an improvement in real time and in the field is an unknown to me. For 99% of the people 99% of the time, The D7100 is just as good as a D7200. Does Wildlife photography fit into that 1% ? If it does, I should look at the D7200 as a viable option ( maybe the D7200 should have been called a D7100 S & W for sports & wildlife??? I Don't Know. LOL) If for wildlife, there is no noticeable difference for wildlife photography, Then I want to get a D7100 for sure. No need to look further. I still haven't found deals as good as you have mentioned but your review might have influenced the availability of the good deals on the D7100. Like $480 for a new refurb as of 4 weeks ago? $630 is about as good as I can find from reputable dealers as of today/yesterday.
Specifically, I need a D7200 (or a D7100 if it is as good at wildlife) A mediocre ... Daily use lens?.... Something for when I am not using a big lens And a better (but affordable) wildlife lens. If you know of one that I should look into, Let me know. My thoughts on the wildlife lens was the 200 - 500mm Nikon but it weighs almost twice as much as my tent. LOL I know, That range will come at a cost of weight (and money) Currently I have a P900 so that much weight seems like a lot for a lot less effective range (24 - 2000mm effective range but with a much smaller sensor)
Watching this again (no one commented) but I like the cleaner white's of the 7200 picture. It alone seems to make the picture better. Don't know if it's the white balance or the sensor, or even combination? I like my D7100...just sayin.
I currently own a D7000 and was going to replace it with the D7200 real soon, but this video changed my mind. I pulled the trigger on a D7100 today before this video drives the prices up :) Thanks.
Wow! That's a great and informative review! The D7100 is hundreds of bucks less than the D7200 even with lenses! It gets even better looking at used versions with low shutter count on eBay. I actually don't imagine I will ever need ISO above 3000 for what I do. I truly appreciate your no nonsense reviews! I've subscribed.
This is so true. I was looking to buy a D7200 because what kept me off the D7100 was the lack of WiFi. I was doing my research online and saw this video. I thought to myself why not go find out. So I went to my local camera store and tested the 2 cameras. Files below, all shot in manual mode, ISO 800, shutter 60 auto white balance on sigma 18-33 at F2.5 at 35mm. Below are the files, both Raw and JPG. Thanks for saving me man!! Nikon D7100 drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B29Sjq7ZQzsAfk1Sd1pERVBwVm01UDZHaVhWQlFVTVprWURwdDYxZl9iNkJxUE9iUEViQ1k&usp=sharing Nikon D7200 drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B29Sjq7ZQzsAfmZsZTNWQkRibkhUejRKVjA0MFd4UXNiTExhaEZWSnJlUXBfd3Z1SUQyems&usp=sharing
Theoria Apophasis No, didn't. I was so ready to get the D7200 until I saw your video. If only nikon had a different good APS-C sensor that has everything I wanted. (must include Wifi) At this point, I'm back to square one. Find a good APS-C camera that has everything I want or start saving for D750. I'm gonna test the pentax K-3ii when it comes out.
well there exists no such beast under $1500 :) but its close, .....the wifi feature is a bit dinky, most dont care about it, some do, but its not all that great regardless. You can get an AWESOME as new D7100 for $650 on Ebay, and youll be incredibly happy. The value of that camera is wholly unmatched, and Nikon is full of crap to call it "advanced amateur" camera, ...its all Pro. ive got the BEST, and the BEST isnt even 4% more than what the D7100 can do.
Theoria Apophasis You are correct, there are some cheap D7100 on eBay. One of my reasons for starting to look at the D750 is cuz its decent enough for videos. With the introduction of 60p and the flat profile on the D7200 I was kinda liking that, but no more Lol. We will see.
yes, thats a consideration for some,....The flat profile doesnt impress me a bit, nor do i ever want to use same.......its a valid too for some,......but you can do that in photoshop too LOL. im getting a D750 next week. just what i need, another damn DSLR
This situation makes my head explode. I have just started to make money with photography and am willing to change my body (I have a Nikon D90). The problem is the shops proposing D7100 are all not known (even on amazone). All the big shops I am using do not have it. They have the D7200. So I can not trust the shops that sell D7100 and this video demoralizes me about the D7200. What to do??
To Theoria or anyone else, I would like to get an opinion or critique of the interesting review below. Their test results show the sensor on D7200 is "considerable improvement over the D7100 even at basic ISO) with richer colors". Nikon D7200 vs. Nikon D7100 Comparison and Review lensvid.com/gear/lensvid-exclusive-nikon-d7200-vs-nikon-d7100-comparison-and-review/
I own both D7100 and D7200. It is a fact that D7100 has some advantage on describing shadows. Just a small edge. In general for everyday photography, D7200 is better. This is why I use D7100 always with a superwide Tokina 11-16 for landscapes etc and do not push the Iso over 800 and on the other hand I always shoot my D7200 with Sigma 17-50 for almost everything else without caring much about Iso (do not go over 1600 usually, though)
Angry you have done a great job with the explanation in this video, on the whole people if you want to buy a brand new camera get the D7200 as it has way more to offer then the D7100, but if you want to save money get a good used D7100 and that's when you are really saving money. The D7200 offers much better autofocus system, flat picture profiling, auto iso control in video mode way better low light shooting, faster buffer i think theses points should be enough to explain why a D7200 is a way better camera then the D7100 and not to forget the wifi and nfc options as well: Happy Shooting
+Shalim Kamran D7200 has much worse output, SOny sensor, D7100 has a Toshiba sensor. Also the D7100 has much better low ISO shadow detail and a much lower price. Most people arent looking for video features or shooting low light, but those that are, ive recommended the D7200 for everyone else (90%+), the D7100 is the superior and better buy diff people diff needs.
I agree, but use your Flat picture profile to set what type of pictures you want straight from you camera, the time lapse video options are amazing, longer battery life you cant ignore all these on the D7200, Sony is leading the market these days with their mirror less cameras and that's why Nikon went in agreement to get their sensors. But yes if you are just a portrait and picnic photographer use the D7100, you want to be creative and go beyond in exploring your level of creativity get a D7200.
Nikon gets sensors from 4 diff sources, Sony, Toshiba, Matsushita (now panasonic) and a 4th company they wont name so thats not entirely true. Sony isnt leading anything, they were downgraded to JUNK STATUS last year and FORBES gave them a F credit rating. "get a D7200" ???? Ive owned all Nikons, and currently own 9 of them, I dont own the D7200 for many valid reasons, its a poor value, it sucks at lower ISO and it sucks arse in rendition. The Toshiba sensor D7100 has far superior output If you want the best, get a D810, ive got a pair of them.
Stefan Victor its not out of focus. If you want to see other youtube videos or DPReview confirming the SAME THING, that the D7200 has bad low ISO performance in shadow,...........feel free to confirm same. the D7200 has bad low ISO performance in shadow,........regardless of my video.......confirm same yourself :)
una comparacion de solo 2 fotos??? en realidad la segunda la veo mucho mas definida para la d7200.- en toda la foto, la primera si es notable la diferencia de detalle. pero no se puede resumir una comparativa al resultado de dos todos, que puede fallar el AF o moverse la camara y quitar definicion..
i'd just go full frame for low light concert work w/o flash, with sigma 35mm f1.4. d7100 has too bad banding at iso 2000 in dark areas. and i'd go for d7200 in low light for -3ev AF and deep buffer, so you can stay and f1.4 and have more chances of sharper focus in a serie of 18 raw.
Paul Nelson its not "there" at the level of the sensor, to be certain, however some Uber-nerds claim this can be tweaked in the firmware a BIT......, but the AD converter and sensor and processor (ALL of which are part of the chain of detail / rendering) CANNOT be tweaked.
Theoria Apophasis selling out to pimp gear I guess its human nature (a great shame) be careful AP you may have the likes of EBAY etc approaching you in regards to pimping out there used gear to drive up prices and therefore there commission take lol But on reflection I believe your integrity to be way above this
Ohhh hell, Ebay doesnt pay anyone, i dont think! I dont blame anyone for wanting to feed their family and "sell out" But i never will and i have no family.......... shit i dont EVEN HAVE A FING PET !
Mohamed Hussein Nooooo, i even said that in the video! D7200 is just what nikon wanted to do you have to remember these shots are HUGE enlargements too!!!
Mohamed Hussein If it makes you feel some better, The D7200 mops the floor with the D7100 in high ISO and low light (most of my FAVE stuff!!!!) action shooters, indoor sports, etc etc, low light stuff GALORE in THAT category, the D7200 blows the CRAP out of the D7100 Also that bigger buffer is sweet too !
Theoria Apophasis okay man thanks 😂😂 i am still thinking about buying 85mm/1.8g or tokina 100mm/f2.8 both have same price. Or should i buy 18 to 300mm man i reall don't want to waste my money and i wanna the right lens for portrait and weeding photography. I already have 35mm/f1.8 which is amazing for landscape and street and group photography 😖😖😖😖
Marantzino Portrait photographers. Wedding photographers. Commercial photographers. Sports photographers. Even the 17 news photographers in the US who still have a job care.
Yves Baron DPFORUM also confirms the exact same thing i did www.dpreview.com/previews/nikon-d7200/10 who cares about a story? what about the FACTS? ROFL
Here i have done a full test,and the results are indentical to me!!20% the d7200 is sharper,i have donwloaded this two photos Jpeg from www.imaging-resource.com/ and i have made it black and white to be identical all the material,and then i have boosted +2 the exposure for the both photos: drive.google.com/file/d/0B-HfC2HF7LuZVk0yeWY5emRRZ2M/view?usp=sharing 100% crops drive.google.com/file/d/0B-HfC2HF7LuZRFpycVZjMG42VWc/view?usp=sharing In this comparison in JPEG there is absolutely no difference and advantage in the dynamic range!I do not have RAW files to make another comparison,but also this is pretty good to see what happens...also d7200 apears to have better color rendition and contrast and sharpness over d7100,and the same dynamic range,but not worse from this test...
Couple of quick questions since youtube isn't doing the pictures justice:
Angle on the D4s looks slightly different, is that the case? The 7200 shot looks a little more flush on than the 7100 which could make the ridges blend in (all the high points would line up, basically). A slight angle change could alter those textures quite a bit. Again, could be youtube's rendering making it look slightly off.
Were these all done in jpg, raw, noise reduction on, sharpness settings, etc? I have read the NR in the 7200 is pretty aggressive, could account for some of it.The noise levels in the box label one look different (better in the 7200) I only ask because they are labelled jpg. Could be how it looks on youtube though.
It may be possible to run the 7100 through the 7200's processing via capture whatever it's called now, see if it ends in similar results. I'll see if I can find the thread on it after I get some stuff done outside. :)
John Mayfield they were all done in compressed RAW, High Jpegs showed the same results.
I am however viewing these for speed in PREVIEW, because VIEW NXD is slow as crap to move around in
no noise reduction of sharpness. Should be no diff. in angle, unless i leaned on the tripod, which i dont recall doing.
they are labeled Jpg, and are max conversions from RAW with no tweaking, they appear the SAME in RAW in both view NXI and NXD
you ARE right on the lowered NOISE on the label, however you'll notice that the detail is greater on the D7100,
also if i had to blow these shots in post by 2 stops 4 stops, things get UGLY on the D7200 pic.
But these are big time shot zooms, and its CERTAINLY pixel peeping at its "worst" (?) Hehehheheh
Lens cap in focus on the left. D4s logo in focus on the right
Plus the angles of the D4S are different thus making 50%+ of this comparison video pointless.
619RobdoG I actually think the point of this video was to compare how under ordinary and/or common setting usages how these 2 body styles *For the Cost* perform.
I'm a novice so of course some may say that I'm just not savvy enough to grasp either the "un fair performance analysis" or "EYE" for the craft yet.
Well if that's true then forgive this commentary. But the Jewel that I find in this Video and *Most* of his videos is that he REALLY identifies the NEED TO KNOW INFO on a particular gear/product.
In this video (as in most) he accentuates on :
1)What is the composition you are trying to achieve
2)How are you going about to manipulate your light source to create an Awesome Image
3)Know your gear's capicities and limitations in order to Exceed in my developing skill set.
4) Just get out there and shoot.
The key take aways:
(a)Unless you are specifically dedicated to Sports and low light shoots there is no need to upgrade from the 7100 to the cost of the 7200.
(b)These Camera's essentially carry the same perfomance values once you factor in the specific design differences of the 7200.
(c) Weight of 7200 obviously will combat affect of a lighter body.
(d) shadow details, which is why we go porn crazy for our perfect glass.
With proper creative accentuating lighting adds the Depth & texture that will ultimately expose the beauty of your framed scene; or the horror of my skillset.
sorry so wordy I just think my Boi got a raw review. imo.....
ken I love your stuff but I gotta say a few things here. I agree with you when you said somewhere that if you had a 7100 that it would be a waste of money to go to a 7200 due to it not being a big upgrade but I don't have a 7100 and I bought a 7200 and was very happy with th results right out of the box. this is a great camera buddy. my cuz has a 7100 and we did a little testing of our own and although both performed beautifully, the 7200 was better in every shot. the video you put out, I was following and I thought you were making a mistake identifying the low points because the 7200 was easy the winner. just to give it a fair shake I would love to see you do it again full out instead of a shelf in a store. almost all my gear comes from your recommendations but this one I think deserves a redo. I heard you say in one vid, not to even ask you about the 7200 as if you had a huge resentment against this camera. I get it that your and others high expectations were not met due to there not being enough or bigger upgrades or changes for the next model in the 7000 line but the camera stands on its own and I also learned that due to the different sensors and stuff that shooting identical setups and lenses makes no sense since they are different. anyway I'm very happy with mine, I don't pick it up as much since I got my 810 but still grab it whenever I go shoot someplace and always use it. so, thanks, love ya brother and so much enjoy your vids.
now the D7200 is a best deal
Dude I 100% agree.
The 7200 is the better camera
Thank you for the effort in evaluating these differences. Now, on to another issue that at least one other person and I are having with the D7200: we shoot flash photography in club lighting. I had hoped to use the D7200 up around ISO 6400 with flash dialed back quite a lot; however, overexposures were a near certainty in both manual and aperture priority modes at anything below f/5.6 or so. While experimenting with getting the flash under control, I found that even *.nef images were hard to process, to retain even transitions of light across curved surfaces like faces; Jpegs were a total loss at high ISO, with very coarse transitions. I've backed my process back down the range I'm accustomed to with the D700: ISO 1600, 1/80, f/3.5 or so, and TTL flash around -1eV. Frankly, image quality is still not as good as the D700, even though this is a 24 megapixel camera with much newer technology all around; nor does it really autofocus that much better in low light. Yes, I understand now that the D7200 isn't a great performer in that ISO range- the point is, it's really never going to be much of a flash camera as far as I can tell. If you have the time and energy to play with flash, or if you're hearing this problem from others, it would be nice to get your take on it. I'll be borrowing a D7100 to compare its flash performance myself. Thanks again, Bob Topp
I need some quick advice/help... both cameras have almost 19,000 shutter count.... the D7100 body only for 280$ plus shipping or the D7200 with 2 32gb PNY elite memory cards and Vello battery grip for 400$ plus shipping... which would you get? Which is the better deal? Thank You
Have you used auto focus or manual focus?
I switched from Nikon D70 to Nikon D7200. Done some tests with the D7100 before deciding to buy the D7200. Manual focus helped me to realise that the D7200 was way better than his older brother. Both of them had the Sigma 17-50mm f/2.8 DC EX HSM OS, Photos with ISO 320, F 2.8 at 1/60 shutter speed.
Thank you for your tutorials I enjoy your, to the point attitude. D7200 or D5500??? I courently own a D3100 and I want to up grade but dont want to go full frame because Im broke $. Any suggestions or insight from of these two cameras would be helpful. I am open open to other options as well just keep in mind cost and lenses. Looking for better low light focusing, clarity .I do portraits , family, kids sports. Also do you think mirrorless will eventually take over like DSLR did to 35mm?
Thank you.
+S Pina D7100 as new factory refurb is currently $480. :)
no, mirrorless is still a battery vampire and not for sports/ action /wildlife action etc.
not anytime soon.
+S Pina D7100 as new factory refurb is currently $480. :)
no, mirrorless is still a battery vampire and not for sports/ action /wildlife action etc.
not anytime soon.
Thanks for the quick response! Any suggestions on where to buy refurbish equipment?
+S Pina sure thing , USED PHOTO PRO
Sorry, but to me the 7200 image looks better. I don't know where you get that the 7200 label image is "blown out". And the D$S images are way too dark to make any comparison.
+Stan Schurman on the D7100, do you see the lines? compare to the 7200, you don't see the lines that were there.
+Jimmy Ngai that's because the he didn't have the D7200 in focus on the lens cap.
Gamebreaker08 tripod didn't change. subject camera didn't change. He knows what he's doing.
The 7200 is way better than the 7100 it's not even close,!
In looking at the review again, The D7100 has more angle to it then the D7200, so it's not going to look the same. You can tell by looking at the reveal around the lense caps. The D7200 is more of a straight on shot. IMO, 99% of the people won't notice the differences in the photos anyways.
so just use any camera?
+Theoria Apophasis For night (Milky Way) photography the clear winner here is the D7200, right? But I really cannot afford it. How do you think the D7100 will perform? I'm worried about banding issues with the D7100
Dear Mr. Angry Photographer. I fucking love you. Thank you for making this video. I was trying to figure out whether or not to shell out the extra $300-$400 for a D7200 over the D7100 (upgrading from D3300). I mostly do portraiture and headshots and shoot with strobes at relatively low ISO. Your thoughts really opened up my mind and my local camera store has $100 off the D7100 at the moment, bringing it down to a very tempting yet manageable $829 before taxes. You've helped me make my mind up and I can't thank you enough for it.
I live in Finland, its dark here most part of the year. I must say going to be my first Dslr ownership. I have been borrowing gears from friends, most of them have canon dslr and kit lens. I am willing to get serious into photography, at least learn. I would like to shoot portraits, landscape and bla bla like everyone, but i do want to shoot guys playing football and dogs as-well. What would you suggest D7100 or D7200?
Looking to upgrade from a D5100. I mostly shoot things that don't move - architecture, landscape, macro, so buffer isn't an issue. I was curious about the 7200 lack of the anti-aliasing filter on the sensor and whether that really improved detail capture (glass aside). After watching this video I have to say my enthusiasm for the 7200 is a bit squashed. Refurbed 7100 and spend the difference on some of the "must have" glass??
Frederick L Faulkner III lack of AA does help, yes.
Refurb D7100 for about $650 and some awesome cheap (but great) must have glass ......= VERY CHEAP & VERY AWESOME
Theoria Apophasis Just bought the refurb - can't wait! Thanks for sharing all your knowledge!
youll love it or ill eat a cat turd
:P
+Theoria Apophasis Received my 2nd refurbed D7100 today. Returned the first due to what I considered a dirty sensor. This second camera is easily as bad if not worse than the first. Dust specs everywhere. Am I asking too much for a refurbed camera to have a clean sensor??? The clean sensor function in the camera did nothing....
where did you get it from? Adorama ones are Nikon refurbs all with clean sensors
of course U should (everyone must) learn how to clean their sensors :)
Hello, wondering if you could help, I need a dx camera to improve the reach of my lens for Speedway, but also need low light capability. what would you say is the highest acceptable iso setting on the D7200? I currently use a D700 and 80-200 f2.8.
+Jason Green on the 7200, 6400 ISO,.........but for what media ? print? newspaper? what use for display?
+Theoria Apophasis I provide images on flicker for the public to download and newspaper. dont need super quality. i shoot the d700 at iso 2000 and find it acceptable.
would you recommend buying D7100 over D5300 to me as a beginner? is it nice choice to buy a best body once and use it for more than a decade?
yes, used D7100 are cheap as hell (at least here they are). .... you can get all the great cheap lenses to mount on it that cant really be used on the D5000+
What things should I look while getting a used D7100? I heard that a used DSLR with shutter counts from 10k to 15k isn't a good choice to get. What do you suggest? I am in china and I searched some used DSLRs they are around $150 to $200 cheaper than new ones.
Mukesh Khatri 35mm 1.8 to learn and go from there.
What about the banding issue of the d7100? Has any of the firmware updates fixed that yet? It's the main thing holding me back from buying one. Also I might just save up for the d500 instead. That camera is stupid amazing.
firmware cant change that, its not really a problem anyway, its only at insane high ISO and low light
hey bro. I've been watching a lot of your videos lately. can you give me an advice here.. my last DSLR camera was D3100 and i want to upgrade i'm choosing between D7100 and D7200. i'm doing wedding photography and videos and also sports photography on my local High school. should i get D7200 or D7100? thank you man you taught me a lot on your videos especially when getting the right lenses.
+Jerome Oquialda nods head..........LOTS Of sports? honestly the D7200 is not a great value , you can get a D7100 for $480 as new refurb.
better high ISO performance and bigger buffer (for sports) is all the D7200 has .
+Theoria Apophasis not quite a lot of sports. i only shoot sports on my local High school when it's home game. i shoot a lot of portrait and weddings also events like small concerts in town.
i think i would just get the D7100 as i watched this video of yours. the low light detail on the D7200 is not that great. Thanks bro
winks
1000s bought the D7100 off my info , not a one peep'd they were unhappy
+Jerome Oquialda If you're looking for more videos on photography check out my vlog series! Very helpful to photogs!
I'll wait for the D7300 or whatever before upgrading again. Have a D80, D90, D7100. Nice info on the vid.
Great video. I was comparing the two cameras as well last year and I still opted for the D7100 because it better suited my needs. I just wish they increased the buffer rate on the D7100 allow more continous shots when needed. It's no sports camera, its definitely aimed at portrait photographers.
Thanks again, I'm so glad I've seen this. I was tempted by the high ISO claims of the D7200, but as I shoot mostly at low ISOs it wouldn't do me at all!
when you put in a new sensor more aggressive noise reduction algorithms to get better results at high ISO (kind of improvement), you get also "better" noise reduction at low ISO - no wonder the mount cap lines disappeared ...
+TheSidlu ISo has nothing to do with sensor, its applied again. its neither exposure, nor light, no native sensitivity
Just 2 days ago I got d7100 and d7200 1week earlier. I tried d7200 and it was nice, but once I got d7100 and did "lab tests" I was hugely surprised that D7200 NEF 100% match with D7100! Noise character, shadows, EVERYTHING!
What Nikon did? They wipe away noise in price of details. And they actually _cheat_ because their NEF plugin from website does same thing to D7200 (i.e. stronger noise reduction), but does not do that to D7100 NEFs.
They also literally destroyed LCD top screen, it is not useful anymore.
My guess is that they will return LCD back, add articulated TFT and (probably) GPS to next 7300 for same price.
Shame on you, Nikon! Thinking of switch to Canon. At least, they do honest upgrades and warranty cares for their customers better. Plus lower L lens.
can u help me ,please? i'm a beginner, i have the d5100 and i want to upgrade to the 7000's cuz i need the video feature for my job and i can't decide which one should i buy. i'm from Iraq. thanks
dont do that, spend $90 more and get a much better D7100. :) used as new, or factor refurb.
would you suggest the d7100(bnew or refurb) to a pure begginer??
yes, its top value at about $480 as new refurb
thanks for the reply,coz i'm confused whether to get d5500 or d7100 for virtually same price with the 18-140mm lens...
There is no reason to update from D7100 to D7200. Sadly Nikon is doing a Canon on us (600D->650D->700D same camera).
Mark Prudz kinda sorta, it IS diff, and has a bigger buffer, but agreed, no reason to update (for almost everyone)
sir,with humble respect i would like to state, i simulated same shot with d7200, nikon 50mm,f4,400 iso from around 4 feet of distance,even at darker condition. it showed the rings !
what if i wanna do sports and also portrait stuff, is there a good Nikon camera for everything in the price range similar to 7100?
RandomBagpipeMan that would be the D750, but the price range is "not there" of course.
D7200 is designed to BE a sports, action. low light high ISO camera
remember that these are HUGE zoom in's and nasty pixel peeping!!
its like finding some flaking pain on the Mona Lisa, im really NOT giving the D7200 "down the road"
I finally get what you were talking about when you pointed out the detail of the ridges of the lens cap.
Embarrassingly, I could not understand why I would want the best ISO and low light capability capability for birds. The shadow detail that gives the richness of texture is of greater importance for wildlife.
Thank you for that info.
How it all plays out against the higher higher buffer, faster autofocus, and lower shutter lag for wildlife photography is still an unknown for me. It seems that the D7200 is designed for wildlife almost as much as sports. How much of an improvement in real time and in the field is an unknown to me. For 99% of the people 99% of the time, The D7100 is just as good as a D7200.
Does Wildlife photography fit into that 1% ?
If it does, I should look at the D7200 as a viable option ( maybe the D7200 should have been called a D7100 S & W for sports & wildlife??? I Don't Know. LOL)
If for wildlife, there is no noticeable difference for wildlife photography, Then I want to get a D7100 for sure. No need to look further.
I still haven't found deals as good as you have mentioned but your review might have influenced the availability of the good deals on the D7100. Like $480 for a new refurb as of 4 weeks ago? $630 is about as good as I can find from reputable dealers as of today/yesterday.
D7200 has better buffer and insane high ISO performance,….right NOW, the refurb price on both is $500 vs $720+ for the D7200 :)
I need to shop where you shop. You find better deals than me.
well ask me what you're looking for and ill find the best place :)
those deals were mentioned recently on nikonrumors.com
Specifically, I need a D7200 (or a D7100 if it is as good at wildlife)
A mediocre ... Daily use lens?.... Something for when I am not using a big lens
And a better (but affordable) wildlife lens.
If you know of one that I should look into, Let me know.
My thoughts on the wildlife lens was the 200 - 500mm Nikon but it weighs almost twice as much as my tent. LOL
I know, That range will come at a cost of weight (and money)
Currently I have a P900 so that much weight seems like a lot for a lot less effective range (24 - 2000mm effective range but with a much smaller sensor)
daily use? street? what use? what budget?
yes 200 500 5. nikkor for wildlife…I've got2 of those lenses!!
daily shooter 24 85 VR G , cheap used ebay :)
Nikon d7100 or nikon d7200 in 2021 regardless of price,thanks
Watching this again (no one commented) but I like the cleaner white's of the 7200 picture. It alone seems to make the picture better. Don't know if it's the white balance or the sensor, or even combination? I like my D7100...just sayin.
I currently own a D7000 and was going to replace it with the D7200 real soon, but this video changed my mind. I pulled the trigger on a D7100 today before this video drives the prices up :) Thanks.
Guy Marentette hehehehe, D7100 currently is SO DAMN CHEAP, and a best VALUE :)
love em :)
Were these both shot RAW and with NR off as well?
Wow! That's a great and informative review! The D7100 is hundreds of bucks less than the D7200 even with lenses! It gets even better looking at used versions with low shutter count on eBay. I actually don't imagine I will ever need ISO above 3000 for what I do. I truly appreciate your no nonsense reviews! I've subscribed.
This is so true. I was looking to buy a D7200 because what kept me off the D7100 was the lack of WiFi. I was doing my research online and saw this video. I thought to myself why not go find out. So I went to my local camera store and tested the 2 cameras. Files below, all shot in manual mode, ISO 800, shutter 60 auto white balance on sigma 18-33 at F2.5 at 35mm. Below are the files, both Raw and JPG.
Thanks for saving me man!!
Nikon D7100
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Nikon D7200
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eyeDream was just looking at your pics!! awesome peeks! So did you get a camera? :)
Theoria Apophasis No, didn't. I was so ready to get the D7200 until I saw your video. If only nikon had a different good APS-C sensor that has everything I wanted. (must include Wifi) At this point, I'm back to square one. Find a good APS-C camera that has everything I want or start saving for D750. I'm gonna test the pentax K-3ii when it comes out.
well there exists no such beast under $1500 :)
but its close, .....the wifi feature is a bit dinky, most dont care about it, some do, but its not all that great regardless.
You can get an AWESOME as new D7100 for $650 on Ebay, and youll be incredibly happy.
The value of that camera is wholly unmatched, and Nikon is full of crap to call it "advanced amateur" camera, ...its all Pro.
ive got the BEST, and the BEST isnt even 4% more than what the D7100 can do.
Theoria Apophasis You are correct, there are some cheap D7100 on eBay. One of my reasons for starting to look at the D750 is cuz its decent enough for videos. With the introduction of 60p and the flat profile on the D7200 I was kinda liking that, but no more Lol. We will see.
yes, thats a consideration for some,....The flat profile doesnt impress me a bit, nor do i ever want to use same.......its a valid too for some,......but you can do that in photoshop too
LOL.
im getting a D750 next week.
just what i need, another damn DSLR
give me the D7200 anytime, not sure but I think you fucked up here :)
This situation makes my head explode. I have just started to make money with photography and am willing to change my body (I have a Nikon D90). The problem is the shops proposing D7100 are all not known (even on amazone). All the big shops I am using do not have it. They have the D7200. So I can not trust the shops that sell D7100 and this video demoralizes me about the D7200. What to do??
always try to get a second opinion. and ask this fella to show you his actual pictures first before considering him the utimate expert
To Theoria or anyone else, I would like to get an opinion or critique of the interesting review below. Their test results show the sensor on D7200 is "considerable improvement over the D7100 even at basic ISO) with richer colors".
Nikon D7200 vs. Nikon D7100 Comparison and Review
lensvid.com/gear/lensvid-exclusive-nikon-d7200-vs-nikon-d7100-comparison-and-review/
I own both D7100 and D7200. It is a fact that D7100 has some advantage on describing shadows. Just a small edge. In general for everyday photography, D7200 is better. This is why I use D7100 always with a superwide Tokina 11-16 for landscapes etc and do not push the Iso over 800 and on the other hand I always shoot my D7200 with Sigma 17-50 for almost everything else without caring much about Iso (do not go over 1600 usually, though)
Angry you have done a great job with the explanation in this video, on the whole people if you want to buy a brand new camera get the D7200 as it has way more to offer then the D7100, but if you want to save money get a good used D7100 and that's when you are really saving money.
The D7200 offers much better autofocus system, flat picture profiling, auto iso control in video mode way better low light shooting, faster buffer i think theses points should be enough to explain why a D7200 is a way better camera then the D7100 and not to forget the wifi and nfc options as well: Happy Shooting
+Shalim Kamran D7200 has much worse output, SOny sensor, D7100 has a Toshiba sensor. Also the D7100 has much better low ISO shadow detail
and a much lower price. Most people arent looking for video features or shooting low light, but those that are, ive recommended the D7200
for everyone else (90%+), the D7100 is the superior and better buy
diff people diff needs.
I agree, but use your Flat picture profile to set what type of pictures you want straight from you camera, the time lapse video options are amazing, longer battery life you cant ignore all these on the D7200, Sony is leading the market these days with their mirror less cameras and that's why Nikon went in agreement to get their sensors. But yes if you are just a portrait and picnic photographer use the D7100, you want to be creative and go beyond in exploring your level of creativity get a D7200.
By the way i have both D7100 and D7200 with me and use them simultaneously, so know exactly what they are and their capability.
Nikon gets sensors from 4 diff sources, Sony, Toshiba, Matsushita (now panasonic) and a 4th company they wont name
so thats not entirely true.
Sony isnt leading anything, they were downgraded to JUNK STATUS last year
and FORBES gave them a F credit rating.
"get a D7200" ???? Ive owned all Nikons, and currently own 9 of them, I dont own the D7200 for many valid reasons, its a poor value, it sucks at lower ISO
and it sucks arse in rendition. The Toshiba sensor D7100 has far superior output
If you want the best, get a D810, ive got a pair of them.
Everybody has a right to opinion, you like the D7100, but i love my D7200 more then the D7100 which i am bout to sell any ways
man, the photo shot with 7200 is totally out of focus. you can't even take a good shot and then you spoil the performances of 7200?? wtf??
Stefan Victor its not out of focus.
If you want to see other youtube videos or DPReview confirming the SAME THING, that the D7200 has bad low ISO performance in shadow,...........feel free to confirm same.
the D7200 has bad low ISO performance in shadow,........regardless of my video.......confirm same yourself :)
Had the D7200 & sold it. I didn't like that camera at all.
una comparacion de solo 2 fotos??? en realidad la segunda la veo mucho mas definida para la d7200.- en toda la foto, la primera si es notable la diferencia de detalle. pero no se puede resumir una comparativa al resultado de dos todos, que puede fallar el AF o moverse la camara y quitar definicion..
Concert Photography: could you get away with 7100 for most low lit clubs (with wide open lenses) or is it a no brainer to go for 7200
i'd just go full frame for low light concert work w/o flash, with sigma 35mm f1.4. d7100 has too bad banding at iso 2000 in dark areas. and i'd go for d7200 in low light for -3ev AF and deep buffer, so you can stay and f1.4 and have more chances of sharper focus in a serie of 18 raw.
Great explanation of weak and strong points of both cameras.
Can this be fixed with a firmware update?
Paul Nelson its not "there" at the level of the sensor, to be certain, however some Uber-nerds claim this can be tweaked in the firmware a BIT......, but the AD converter and sensor and processor (ALL of which are part of the chain of detail / rendering) CANNOT be tweaked.
the d7200 image look better , on the white and black on the d7100 got purple color
saving up my cash for the d7100 and tokina 100mm hope your right angry
Well done! A very good analysis. Makes one wonder why DPReview and DXO are not being trustworthy.
Temp theyre paid to be pimps
Theoria Apophasis selling out to pimp gear I guess its human nature (a great shame) be careful AP you may have the likes of EBAY etc approaching you in regards to pimping out there used gear to drive up prices and therefore there commission take lol But on reflection I believe your integrity to be way above this
Ohhh hell, Ebay doesnt pay anyone, i dont think!
I dont blame anyone for wanting to feed their family and "sell out"
But i never will and i have no family.......... shit i dont EVEN HAVE A FING PET !
An excellent review! Much respect!
hi, how close is the d7100 to the d500 in terms of shadow detail. thank you
nowhere near close, i own both
When I switch off the button of d7100 view finder is still visible, is this normal???
sure indeedy, just a mirror view
D7100 refurbished, $499 at newegg atm.
+nemac23 HOLY CRAP!!!! awesome info !!!!
+Theoria Apophasis credit to nikonrumours, they're always onto it with the deals.
not always, sometimes i catch a few :P
so i am fucked up because i bought the nikon d7200 lol should i sell it and get 7100 ???!!!
I already have 35mm/f1.8 and i am planning to buy me second lens soon 😂😂
Mohamed Hussein Nooooo, i even said that in the video! D7200 is just what nikon wanted to do
you have to remember these shots are HUGE enlargements too!!!
Mohamed Hussein
If it makes you feel some better, The D7200 mops the floor with the D7100 in high ISO and low light (most of my FAVE stuff!!!!)
action shooters, indoor sports, etc etc, low light stuff GALORE
in THAT category, the D7200 blows the CRAP out of the D7100
Also that bigger buffer is sweet too !
Theoria Apophasis okay man thanks 😂😂 i am still thinking about buying 85mm/1.8g or tokina 100mm/f2.8 both have same price. Or should i buy 18 to 300mm man i reall don't want to waste my money and i wanna the right lens for portrait and weeding photography. I already have 35mm/f1.8 which is amazing for landscape and street and group photography 😖😖😖😖
Theoria Apophasis and yeah this is my 500px page check it and see if i am doing good job or no help me man :D
500px.com/mohamedhussein1992
It looks like you left NR on
I wonder: who really cares about the shadows details?
Marantzino More serious landscape shooters, mostly.
Marantzino Portrait photographers. Wedding photographers. Commercial photographers. Sports photographers. Even the 17 news photographers in the US who still have a job care.
not same image angle.. boring review just pictures and nonsense comparison not a good story
teller..
Yves Baron DPFORUM also confirms the exact same thing i did
www.dpreview.com/previews/nikon-d7200/10
who cares about a story? what about the FACTS?
ROFL
Thanks for your insight!
D7200 this hurts
Here i have done a full test,and the results are indentical to me!!20% the d7200 is sharper,i have donwloaded this two photos Jpeg from www.imaging-resource.com/ and i have made it black and white to be identical all the material,and then i have boosted +2 the exposure for the both photos:
drive.google.com/file/d/0B-HfC2HF7LuZVk0yeWY5emRRZ2M/view?usp=sharing
100% crops
drive.google.com/file/d/0B-HfC2HF7LuZRFpycVZjMG42VWc/view?usp=sharing
In this comparison in JPEG there is absolutely no difference and advantage in the dynamic range!I do not have RAW files to make another comparison,but also this is pretty good to see what happens...also d7200 apears to have better color rendition and contrast and sharpness over d7100,and the same dynamic range,but not worse from this test...
Work on your focussing!
difference of AF calibration can screw these results up completely. one has to fine tune af first with a lens.