.40 S&W gang FTW ! Even out of that short barrel he's getting 88 ft-lbs more ooomph and an extra 3.25" of drilling. Pshhhht, and they say 40 cal is dead 😏->😆->😛
well tools,heres my 2 cents. in 15 years of carrying ive fired my gun in self defense once.. it was a 3.3 " barrel 40sw. loaded with winchester silver tips. it wasnt a human however , but the biggest pit bull id ever seen in my life, and thats saying something because he was still huge despite obviously starving. when i took the shot , he was causing me 38 stitches on my right calf.. we live in the woods, and somebody had aparantly threw it out. anyways, the silver tip turned him off like a light switch, and it was absolutley gruesome. the bullet fragmented and i had a few pieces of jacket in my foot that wasnt fun to get out but im so thankful that i had my gun. i was just walking up to the mailbox and lots of times ive left it. ill never get rid of that gun, and while ive moved on to better ammo, i would never feel undergunned with silvertip. i also never, ever leave my gun by choice. some places you just cant. but if im on the jon droppin a deuce, im armed.. in the shower? guns within arm reach. keep em with ya folks. it really happens when you least expect it.
The 40 had more energy, more penatration, and more expansion. That equals a larger wound channel for blood flow, and more potential to break through bones and penetrate organs. Clear winner
People act like dissing the 40 S&W is like virtue signaling. My first Glock was the G22 and it's not going anywhere. There is nothing wrong with the 40, and science proves its effectiveness. Git Some!
That 40 performance just looks outstanding! The 9 is impressive but I give the win to the 40. Silvertips are, as you say, problematical in your "problem calibers" such as .32 and .380. They are quite soft and absolutely will expand at lower weights and velocities - but at the expense of penetration. I used to carry .380 Silvertips in a Sig P230 I used to have. I know better than that now. But in a 9 or 40 this ammo looks very effective! Good video!
Silvertips do seem to have made improvements over the years. Wondering how they run thru G19/23 length barrels and maybe then G17/22? Guessing more expansion and less penetration, but still might be in at least the 12-18” zone. Then a run using them in a G20 vs a G21 to compare! I’d say that the Underwood Xtreme Defender and Penetrator take top spot for 380. A few others did ok, but no JHP rounds seem to match the combination of depth plus wound track. And they are definitely barrier blind lol. They perform well in all calibers, but really help 380 step up to meet more self defense standards. A Ruger LCP MAX loaded up with 12+1 rounds of either of those is potent little package. Great pocket gun or backup.
I find this and the Remington htp at 155 grains locally. Recently I found 155 grain double tap on psa at a great price but you still gotta pay shipping but they frequently have 40sw double tap at good prices. They did have Speer lawman 165gr for 14.99 a box. Great deal I loaded up. Still available to I might order more
Watch out. sometimes those Generation 3 40s don't work with a light attached. I fixed my G23 by adding a heavier recoil spring and slicking up the magazines by cleaning them with some car spray wax.
My carry round is the 40. I shoot it better than the 9mm, which I do carry once in a while. It's either a Kahr CW40, G27 or the S&W M&P 40 full size. It gets alot of hate but it's an awesome round. HSTs, Gold Dots or Golden Sabers are the fuel.
I bought 9mm silvertips for my main carry and decided to buy the .380 silvertips for my summer carry. After watching your .380 video I switched to SIG v-crown .380 auto. Thank you
Nice review. 155 is a good weight for 40. I prefer the Gold Dot 155 at 1250fps. A thought/suggestion; maybe carry a G22 with a conversion barrel and test one of each with the duty length barrel to see what it actually reveals? I think that would be interesting. How much more velocity & expansion vs how these 'softer' projectiles hold up to being pushed. Just a thought. I imagine a lot of folks might like to see that result compared to the concealed carry type performance of the same round
First off, I'm not a fan boy of any caliber, particularly those that travel less than 2200fps at the muzzle. Example: Although it's much more powerful/effective than a .40 S&W or 9mm, the 240gr SJFP .44mag is not as practical as the .40 S&W or 9mm in efficiency. Of those two, both are plenty adequate for defense with the correct ammunition. That said, 9mm is the most popular, most common, and, in my opinion, the most efficient to carry and operate... As if it's a personal dig that the 9mm is better, it's not. 9mm simply rules... The .40 fan boys Crack me up!!!
I’m a 10mm fanatic and my main edc is a G20/G29, but I have and carry all calibers. They are all good in their own ways, even little 380. Hard to beat an LCP MAX with 12+1 rounds of UW Xtreme Defender/Penetrator for a tiny pocket gun. But I just snagged a Gen 4 G23C because I haven’t seen them around in a while and they don’t produce them new anymore I’ve heard. The idea was just getting it to have it, but I’m thinking I’ll set it up and add to the carry rotation. It is more power yet shoots like my G19’s, which to me have near zero recoil. I’m so used to 10 and 500 that everything else feels extremely light. 9mm is great stuff but 40 is better (for me) and 10mm is remains king 👑 lol.
For me, the greater wound potential of the 40 means more than more capacity with the 9x19, generally speaking. Self defense requires a different plan than GTW/SHTF.
Both performed very well but in a compact pistol like you are using I'll go with the 9 mm every time. Less kick and blast so follow up shots are faster. The 9 mm 115 grain Silvertip got a bad rap from FBI's Miami Shootout for under -penatration but it has improved since then. Thanks for another excellent review.
Nice indeed ! I'm glad that these are available locally for a reasonable price. I bought a couple boxes months ago, now I'm definitely going to buy more, in both calibers. Thx Tools for another terrific test review !!
I’m pleased you did this test today! I have both of those caliber Silver Tips and I love ‘em both!! Glad to hear your opinion and see the gel results on both! Glad I carry them! Thanks for sharing brother!!👍🏻
Good test, nice to see those Silver Tips expanding, I starting carrying that ammo way back when it first came out. I still have a 20 round box of it in 45acp with a price sticker on it for $6.95 from a retail gun shop. I carry Barnes Tac XPD in 9mm & 45acp nowadays, have you done a test on those? I used to watch the Werewolf movies with Lon Chaney Jr when I was a kid until my mom would come in and turn them off saying they would give me nightmares. 🤣
I think Winchester loads these two rounds just right. Good performance from a three inch and some wiggle room for barrels up to six inches without pushing them to the point of falling to pieces from over speeds.
Agree with you on 40 ,don't carry one but I'd rather have bigger than a few more extra rounds. Nice test, still waiting for you to try that big 45/70 round!Good on ya 😉
US Border Patrol was issued the 40 155 Silver Tip in the early 2000s and it was a stellar performer in actual shootings. Eventually it was replaced with various 180gr loads as the 155s were hard on guns and hard for small officers to manage the snappy recoil.
40 SW stands for Short and Weak. It is 10mm without 1/2 the powder. It is a fraud. It was needed because the FBI could not shoot the 10mm. They have such weak wrists and it nearly knocked their silk panties off.
From what I have seen, the 155 grain bullets are the best for the 40 S&W as far as expansion and penetration go. The 180s expand less and penetrate deeper. Might be good for bear defense but it's less effective on humans.
I have read that the Winchester Ranger 155 gr at about 1200fps was the Boarder patrol loading, I have seen some shot into water jugs and they came out looking like a very short lead mushroom.
@@ToolsandTargets they don't hire them like they used to when I started back in 1988. Back then about half the cadets were ex military or police transfers. Those guys were tough and could shoot anything, Nowadays they watered down the hiring standards so we have what we have and the handgun rounds had to be adapted to the new shooter so they can qualify., Hence the rising popularity of the 9 mm in law enforcement. Plus the bean counters who run the budgets prefer the cheaper 9 mm.
Nice! They did much better than I was expecting. I wouldn’t hesitate to use either one. That heavy clothing barrier definitely separates the gimmicks from performing rounds and these performed for sure. Great test as always 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Agreed! The best move was sticking with that clothing barrier on the clear gel. Same barrier on the same gel every time now. It really helps compare the performance of different ammo. Many types of expensive 380 defense ammo were exposed as not being up to the task assuming the potential target irl is wearing clothes. That info led many people to re-examine the JHP ammo they’d been carrying for years in 380. Literally a life saving lesson!
That was a very interesting one. I haven’t had any “new” Silvertips in a few decades. But would have to say the performance was pretty decent for both even in such light weights. Would be cool to see the 45 and 10 for comparison as well. I don’t think HST or Gold Dot will be replaced by Silvertips any time soon. But it’s always good to have alternatives that perform.
So glad to see this as these are ammo I see regularly see in my area only I prefer a 124 grin 9 mm not sure if available in Silvertip, even in rifle calibers Silvertip is a bullet that’s been around even my grandpa hunted with Silvertip and I am talking back pre 1960
Always 9mm SubCs and .40 compacts the G26/23/21 are the only 3 you’ll ever need in life but 9mm JHP/JSP 😮💨 does best overall 115/124g for less than 3.6in barrels the 147g is .45 of 9mm still will work well in shortys like the 🛡+ but wouldn’t trust heavy .40 180g out of SCs for barriers 🚘(.40 best 155/65),why for 9/40 always keep HPs in oem standard caps and Critical D/FP FMJ😮💨/ FMJ/+underwoods in coded Extds 💨🚘🐗🐻
The 9mm had some consistency issues, but in the end, they both performed pretty well! 👏 The .40 probably did a better job than some of the 10mm you've tested 😲 Great comparison vid! 💥👍💥
I carry the 9mm 115gn silver tip everyday since your last video on it. I'm happy to see nothing has changed. Thanks again for all the great videos. I always look forward to what you have next.
Could it be that the 40 cal bullet is designed to work acceptably in both the 40 S&W (where it under expands a bit) and the 10mm (where it probably over expands a bit)? I suspect it's like that for the Hornady XTPs as well: that they're using the very same bullet in the 155 and 180 grain weights in both cartridges. Not the ideal situation.
I've carried the 9mm 115 before for awhile mostly due to availability and and budget. Very accurate as well took down coyote at about 40yrds running. Started having severe bullet set back later on with different boxes/lot numbers im talking brand new rounds with only 2 or 3 chamberings over half the bullet in the case with bulging anyone else experienced this?
The Silvertip usually does pretty good. I just biught some in 45 acp and 45 long colt. There are two things I wish you would test but are hard to find. That is Winchester Ranger One in 45 acp (I just received a box of those too) and Gorilla Silverback solid copper 230 grain in 45 acp. When you get a chance check Lost River Ammo Company. They have some interesting rounds.
Good test amigo 👌 Despite all the hate towards the .40SW i still like the caliber. Every now and again i carry my P226 in .40SW As i always say , Shot placement is everything! Practice Practice Practice 🔥
My question is if you spice them up to get more performance out of the 3 inch barrel would that cause them to come apart or over penatrate out of a 4.5 or 5 inch barrel might they be a just right ballance... hmmm.. maybe a future test for you..
Please test the 10 mm Silver Tip. Silver Tips are for sale for reloading. I want to make sure going after the box velocity they don't fragment too much
Silvertips are very good standard pressure rounds. They run in all my pistols including my Hi-Point 10mm. Good penetration and plenty of expansion in my book.
This one is very interesting to me. One of the few times I have had a chrono available to me, I had some Winchester Silver Tip.👍 But I was shooting 180 grain (I think) 10mm, they averaged in the 1240's out of the 3.8" barrel of my 10mm. So this is one with a confirmed hotter load in 10mm. I will keep my eye open for some of the 9mm stuff.👍 They will be fun in the PCC's.😀
This round was a service weapon for law enforcement ur talking about a beretta 92 or a Glock 17 maybe the ol heavy smith 59. Not consistent or period correct for the Miami dade shooting
With all the 'modern' 9mm available to me, the ST 115 is what I carry off duty in a Sig 365 Macro X. Just always liked it and it looks good too. It's not the so called king of one shot stops, but that's why I have 15 more to follow the first and shot placement is key anyways. I think it got a bad rep in the FBI shootout and for off duty, where you're likely not going to shoot through barriers, it's just fine. The ST 185 .45 is also a good option for off duty. Another great video. Thanks.
These did much better than what I've seen in the past with this round, Thank you for your time, sweat and effort In this and all tests, your are #1 in my book, Thanks Brian, have a safe weekend my friend. 👍🇺🇸
I think your needs a little.more spice. Think if you were at 25 yards from the block. Lower velocity probably weak performance vs other rounds that fully open up great video
With the 9mm it is the speed that you're after. The Winchester 115gr +P+ That the Illinois State Police used has very good street credentials and a lot of you may not know it is the same 115 gr Winchester silver tip bullet. They just did not make it silver. My agency we use the Winchester 115gr +P+ to a great extent. Never had any problems putting bad guys down. The thing that I like about the 40 caliber is it does better against barriers such as windshield, glass and especially human bone where it will break it or go straight through. The 9 mm is load dependent. I suggest stay away from the heavy 9 mm bullets. You do get the penetration but with the lighter weight and I would not go below 115 grain you get more energy in Target. Also understand you're not hunting human beings to eat them. So the lighter weight bullet destroys tissue better which you're not trying to preserve as if you were hunting an animal with four legs that is. Our medical examiner noticed brain hemorrhaging and the perpetrators we shot more than likely due to the lightweight high velocity round. So in 9 mm I would say use these rounds. Corbon 115 +P JHP Federal 115 +P+ Winchester 115 +P+ Remington 115 +P
This is an interesting comment. So, you're suggesting the 115gr bullets I assume because they will be moving at higher speeds than the heavier ones. Also being +P or +P+ pushes them a little faster. I've heard elsewhere that very fast bullets(such as light .357 Mag) shred tissue more than slower ones. So, perhaps that happens with light 9mm +P+ to some degree too. Though when you mention brain hemorrhaging, was your medical examiner observing that happening from hits to the body with these rounds?
An unfortunate situation happened with a bad guy holding a gun to a young female he was using as a shield. The officer shot the bad guy with one of the bullets hitting the forearm. The 180 grain Gold Dot deflected upwards killing the female.
still waiting to see Tools do some testing of S&W 40 vs 10 mm to show some manufacturers are just putting 40 loads in 10 mm cases. no surprise here as I would expect S&W 40 to beat 9 mm. I want to see which manufacturers have 10 mil that out preforms their 40 cal.
.40 S&W gang FTW ! Even out of that short barrel he's getting 88 ft-lbs more ooomph and an extra 3.25" of drilling. Pshhhht, and they say 40 cal is dead 😏->😆->😛
Is if you want to buy something other than a block
well tools,heres my 2 cents.
in 15 years of carrying ive fired my gun in self defense once.. it was a 3.3 " barrel 40sw. loaded with winchester silver tips. it wasnt a human however , but the biggest pit bull id ever seen in my life, and thats saying something because he was still huge despite obviously starving. when i took the shot , he was causing me 38 stitches on my right calf..
we live in the woods, and somebody had aparantly threw it out. anyways, the silver tip turned him off like a light switch, and it was absolutley gruesome.
the bullet fragmented and i had a few pieces of jacket in my foot that wasnt fun to get out but im so thankful that i had my gun. i was just walking up to the mailbox and lots of times ive left it.
ill never get rid of that gun, and while ive moved on to better ammo, i would never feel undergunned with silvertip. i also never, ever leave my gun by choice. some places you just cant. but if im on the jon droppin a deuce, im armed.. in the shower? guns within arm reach. keep em with ya folks. it really happens when you least expect it.
Thanks for the info. I've had 3.2" barrel for years that I just started loading with these.
That’s terrible!! I’d hate to have to do that but I’m glad you had the means to stop the attack.
Crazy story! Wow!
The 40 had more energy, more penatration, and more expansion. That equals a larger wound channel for blood flow, and more potential to break through bones and penetrate organs. Clear winner
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People act like dissing the 40 S&W is like virtue signaling. My first Glock was the G22 and it's not going anywhere. There is nothing wrong with the 40, and science proves its effectiveness. Git Some!
A great example of the 40 out performing the 9. I would never buy this brand of ammo but it was nice to see your test.
You're obviously correct that the 40SW was the clear winner. Thanks for the really interesting and informative channel.
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Thank you for the .40 S&W tests. Nice to find some that are not 4-6 years old. The .40 ain't nowhere near dead!
That 40 performance just looks outstanding! The 9 is impressive but I give the win to the 40.
Silvertips are, as you say, problematical in your "problem calibers" such as .32 and .380. They are quite soft and absolutely will expand at lower weights and velocities - but at the expense of penetration. I used to carry .380 Silvertips in a Sig P230 I used to have. I know better than that now. But in a 9 or 40 this ammo looks very effective! Good video!
Thank you sir. 😎👊
380 Silvertips are only 85 grain...this is why penetration suffers
Silvertips do seem to have made improvements over the years. Wondering how they run thru G19/23 length barrels and maybe then G17/22? Guessing more expansion and less penetration, but still might be in at least the 12-18” zone. Then a run using them in a G20 vs a G21 to compare!
I’d say that the Underwood Xtreme Defender and Penetrator take top spot for 380. A few others did ok, but no JHP rounds seem to match the combination of depth plus wound track. And they are definitely barrier blind lol. They perform well in all calibers, but really help 380 step up to meet more self defense standards. A Ruger LCP MAX loaded up with 12+1 rounds of either of those is potent little package. Great pocket gun or backup.
The 40 is the only 155 grain I'm finding locally. I'm glad it did well.
I find this and the Remington htp at 155 grains locally. Recently I found 155 grain double tap on psa at a great price but you still gotta pay shipping but they frequently have 40sw double tap at good prices. They did have Speer lawman 165gr for 14.99 a box. Great deal I loaded up. Still available to I might order more
When I was in the Army I met a Secret Service Uniform Officer that carried silver HPs in his Sig 10mm. He was very fond of them.
Was his name Van Helsing?!?!😲😲😲
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This makes me want to switch my home defense pistol from the gen5 Glock 17 and back to my gen 3 Glock 22 in 40S&W.
You should!!! Underwood's .40 offerings are even meaner than this!!
Watch out. sometimes those Generation 3 40s don't work with a light attached. I fixed my G23 by adding a heavier recoil spring and slicking up the magazines by cleaning them with some car spray wax.
Great test with really good results. Thanks for the 40 &W test, it's a good cartridge that shouldn't be falling out of favor.
Awsome video as always jelly time i use both the 9mm and 40cal silver tips 115 9mm and 155 40cal. Love the expansion on them especially the 40cal
Where I live the critters are a bit spicier so I usually carry 40 S&w or 10mm. I carry silver tips in the summer months and gold dot for winter.
My carry round is the 40. I shoot it better than the 9mm, which I do carry once in a while. It's either a Kahr CW40, G27 or the S&W M&P 40 full size. It gets alot of hate but it's an awesome round. HSTs, Gold Dots or Golden Sabers are the fuel.
Good looking rounds. The problem with spicing them up, they may go too fast in a 4-4.5” barrel and under penetrate.
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I bought 9mm silvertips for my main carry and decided to buy the .380 silvertips for my summer carry. After watching your .380 video I switched to SIG v-crown .380 auto. Thank you
Nice review. 155 is a good weight for 40. I prefer the Gold Dot 155 at 1250fps.
A thought/suggestion; maybe carry a G22 with a conversion barrel and test one of each with the duty length barrel to see what it actually reveals? I think that would be interesting. How much more velocity & expansion vs how these 'softer' projectiles hold up to being pushed. Just a thought. I imagine a lot of folks might like to see that result compared to the concealed carry type performance of the same round
I picked up a case of the Ranger variant of both of these a long time ago. Ended up using all the 9mm as training ammo during the many shortages.
Wouldn't feel under gunned with either. Both calibers are very adequate.
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Both good performing rounds, I do have some 9 silver tips and I agree they need to be a bit hotter, Thank You for the review
i like the way the 40 acted in the gel. i hope i can find some where i live id like to use it for my EDC
40 is the correct answer vs human sized questions
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First off, I'm not a fan boy of any caliber, particularly those that travel less than 2200fps at the muzzle. Example: Although it's much more powerful/effective than a .40 S&W or 9mm, the 240gr SJFP .44mag is not as practical as the .40 S&W or 9mm in efficiency. Of those two, both are plenty adequate for defense with the correct ammunition. That said, 9mm is the most popular, most common, and, in my opinion, the most efficient to carry and operate... As if it's a personal dig that the 9mm is better, it's not. 9mm simply rules... The .40 fan boys Crack me up!!!
I like to divide by 4.
I’m a 10mm fanatic and my main edc is a G20/G29, but I have and carry all calibers. They are all good in their own ways, even little 380. Hard to beat an LCP MAX with 12+1 rounds of UW Xtreme Defender/Penetrator for a tiny pocket gun.
But I just snagged a Gen 4 G23C because I haven’t seen them around in a while and they don’t produce them new anymore I’ve heard. The idea was just getting it to have it, but I’m thinking I’ll set it up and add to the carry rotation. It is more power yet shoots like my G19’s, which to me have near zero recoil. I’m so used to 10 and 500 that everything else feels extremely light. 9mm is great stuff but 40 is better (for me) and 10mm is remains king 👑 lol.
@@1958PonyBoy As in 40 / 4 = 10mm? 😁
For me, the greater wound potential of the 40 means more than more capacity with the 9x19, generally speaking. Self defense requires a different plan than GTW/SHTF.
AH...nice to spend my Sunday evening kicked back and enjoying another of Tools 40vs9 videos. Thanks.
Sunday? Are you from the future?😱
@@ToolsandTargets Yes I am....play the lottery!!!ahahahahah
Both performed very well but in a compact pistol like you are using I'll go with the 9 mm every time. Less kick and blast so follow up shots are faster. The 9 mm 115 grain Silvertip got a bad rap from FBI's Miami Shootout for under -penatration but it has improved since then. Thanks for another excellent review.
Makes sense.😎👍
Both of my carry guns are 40S&W
They both looked pretty good. I think you will pick the 40 if you're in the energy crowd, or the 9 if you're looking for capacity/less recoil
Nice indeed ! I'm glad that these are available locally for a reasonable price. I bought a couple boxes months ago, now I'm definitely going to buy more, in both calibers. Thx Tools for another terrific test review !!
This is a solid choice for both. I will be looking for both after these results. Thanks.
I had a box of these that were +p 9mm 115 and they felt SPICY
I’d like to see some pre Miami 9mm vs modern 9 vs 40
The old 9mm Silvertips fell short of reaching 12" from a full-size pistol.
Thank you Sir, this is the test I've been waiting for as the 9mm Silvertip is my carry round.
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I’m pleased you did this test today! I have both of those caliber Silver Tips and I love ‘em both!! Glad to hear your opinion and see the gel results on both! Glad I carry them! Thanks for sharing brother!!👍🏻
Some good stuff if you ask me.😎👊
Love watching your 9vs40 vids! We need to bring 40 back!
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Good test, nice to see those Silver Tips expanding, I starting carrying that ammo way back when it first came out. I still have a 20 round box of it in 45acp with a price sticker on it for $6.95 from a retail gun shop. I carry Barnes Tac XPD in 9mm & 45acp nowadays, have you done a test on those? I used to watch the Werewolf movies with Lon Chaney Jr when I was a kid until my mom would come in and turn them off saying they would give me nightmares. 🤣
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I think Winchester loads these two rounds just right. Good performance from a three inch and some wiggle room for barrels up to six inches without pushing them to the point of falling to pieces from over speeds.
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Always looking forward to that jelly time. 😎
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Found some .40 Silvertips on sale. You're the first place I went for a review ! Thanks !
I'm guessing they are both bonded bullets. Both are winners in my book. Thanks or the video.
Excellent short barrel performance. Full length barrels would have given 100fps more speed, more expansion, peehaps less penetration.
Great job from both! 🇺🇸
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I think these would be great for a carbine test.
Agree with you on 40 ,don't carry one but I'd rather have bigger than a few more extra rounds. Nice test, still waiting for you to try that big 45/70 round!Good on ya 😉
They performed good and I agree, they should load them a little hotter. Another fantastic test brother tools
Thanks, these look really good. The penetration was more than adequate and expansion was good for both.
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US Border Patrol was issued the 40 155 Silver Tip in the early 2000s and it was a stellar performer in actual shootings. Eventually it was replaced with various 180gr loads as the 155s were hard on guns and hard for small officers to manage the snappy recoil.
40 SW stands for Short and Weak. It is 10mm without 1/2 the powder. It is a fraud. It was needed because the FBI could not shoot the 10mm. They have such weak wrists and it nearly knocked their silk panties off.
Those weak wrists and weak guns are always ruining a good thing.😆
From what I have seen, the 155 grain bullets are the best for the 40 S&W as far as expansion and penetration go. The 180s expand less and penetrate deeper. Might be good for bear defense but it's less effective on humans.
I have read that the Winchester Ranger 155 gr at about 1200fps was the Boarder patrol loading, I have seen some shot into water jugs and they came out looking like a very short lead mushroom.
@@ToolsandTargets they don't hire them like they used to when I started back in 1988. Back then about half the cadets were ex military or police transfers. Those guys were tough and could shoot anything, Nowadays they watered down the hiring standards so we have what we have and the handgun rounds had to be adapted to the new shooter so they can qualify., Hence the rising popularity of the 9 mm in law enforcement. Plus the bean counters who run the budgets prefer the cheaper 9 mm.
Nice! They did much better than I was expecting. I wouldn’t hesitate to use either one. That heavy clothing barrier definitely separates the gimmicks from performing rounds and these performed for sure. Great test as always 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
The test tomorrow is a whole different story.😆😆😆
Agreed! The best move was sticking with that clothing barrier on the clear gel. Same barrier on the same gel every time now. It really helps compare the performance of different ammo. Many types of expensive 380 defense ammo were exposed as not being up to the task assuming the potential target irl is wearing clothes. That info led many people to re-examine the JHP ammo they’d been carrying for years in 380. Literally a life saving lesson!
Thx TnT , appreciate your review 👍🙏 carried 9 &40 over yrs. In 80s 115gr ST later 165gr HST 40 & 147gr 9 HST better 🗽🎯carry on 🔫 🇺🇲
I have a boat load of this stuff i bought on blowout when my buddies armory went out of business.
A couple of nice rounds. Definitely add to my list of acceptable ammo. Appreciate your testing them.
Yessir 😎👊
Had a nice day we’ve been hot down here in Florida for sometime now
They both look good. Thanks.
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I have the 115 and 147 grain silver tips in 9mm. Def enjoy you doing the testing you do. And the averages. Thanks for what you do!
Love that labradar, not cheap but one of the best around.
Yeah, one of the best purchases I've made.
Just subscribed, I love the math and calculations you put into these videos.
Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊
That was a very interesting one. I haven’t had any “new” Silvertips in a few decades. But would have to say the performance was pretty decent for both even in such light weights. Would be cool to see the 45 and 10 for comparison as well. I don’t think HST or Gold Dot will be replaced by Silvertips any time soon. But it’s always good to have alternatives that perform.
So glad to see this as these are ammo I see regularly see in my area only I prefer a 124 grin 9 mm not sure if available in Silvertip, even in rifle calibers Silvertip is a bullet that’s been around even my grandpa hunted with Silvertip and I am talking back pre 1960
Great ammo test Tools, I have some of that silver tipped Winchester in 9 mm. Both rounds did fantastic in my book. 🇺🇸👊
Both performed well. Thanks for the video 👍🇺🇸
Great test.
With the Silvertip on an indoor range you can see the bullet hit the target with good lighting. It is a silver streak.
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Always 9mm SubCs and .40 compacts the G26/23/21 are the only 3 you’ll ever need in life but 9mm JHP/JSP 😮💨 does best overall 115/124g for less than 3.6in barrels the 147g is .45 of 9mm still will work well in shortys like the 🛡+ but wouldn’t trust heavy .40
180g out of SCs for barriers 🚘(.40 best 155/65),why for 9/40 always keep HPs in oem standard caps and Critical D/FP FMJ😮💨/ FMJ/+underwoods in coded Extds 💨🚘🐗🐻
I use 115gr Silvertips in an LC9. And judging by the performance that I'm seeing out of the shorter barrel, I think I'm comfortable carrying it.
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The 9mm had some consistency issues, but in the end, they both performed pretty well! 👏
The .40 probably did a better job than some of the 10mm you've tested 😲
Great comparison vid!
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It is shot placement that does the job not what speed or size of projectile
Looks like those gonna be my next ammo purchases.
Nice test. I like em both
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I carry the 9mm 115gn silver tip everyday since your last video on it. I'm happy to see nothing has changed. Thanks again for all the great videos. I always look forward to what you have next.
Nice. Thank you sir.😎👊
Me too!
I've got the 115 grain silver tips in a few of my 9mm rotations. Seen them tested here previously and thought they were impressive 👍🏻👍🏻
Awesome comparison. 👍👍 Good to see some .40.
Could it be that the 40 cal bullet is designed to work acceptably in both the 40 S&W (where it under expands a bit) and the 10mm (where it probably over expands a bit)? I suspect it's like that for the Hornady XTPs as well: that they're using the very same bullet in the 155 and 180 grain weights in both cartridges. Not the ideal situation.
Back in the 1990's, the Winchester 115 grain 9mm Silvertip was my preferred carry round.
I've carried the 9mm 115 before for awhile mostly due to availability and and budget. Very accurate as well took down coyote at about 40yrds running. Started having severe bullet set back later on with different boxes/lot numbers im talking brand new rounds with only 2 or 3 chamberings over half the bullet in the case with bulging anyone else experienced this?
Glad to see those 9’s performed well considering I picked up several boxes awhile back for $13.99 a box
I found this silvertip 9mm in the back of my safe from 30 years ago!
The Silvertip usually does pretty good. I just biught some in 45 acp and 45 long colt.
There are two things I wish you would test but are hard to find. That is Winchester Ranger One in 45 acp (I just received a box of those too) and Gorilla Silverback solid copper 230 grain in 45 acp.
When you get a chance check Lost River Ammo Company. They have some interesting rounds.
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Thanks Tools for another good one ! Both did a great job , i have the 9mm and feel good about carrying it .
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Im shooting a bond arms 45 ACP. Them rip rnd did amazing
Good test amigo 👌 Despite all the hate towards the .40SW i still like the caliber. Every now and again i carry my P226 in .40SW As i always say , Shot placement is everything! Practice Practice Practice 🔥
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Have you ice tea ready. Heatstroke is real. Them is some vampire stoppers for sure. Nice test.
My question is if you spice them up to get more performance out of the 3 inch barrel would that cause them to come apart or over penatrate out of a 4.5 or 5 inch barrel might they be a just right ballance... hmmm.. maybe a future test for you..
Both of those rounds would probably perform fantastic from a carbine or SBR. Thanks for another great video.
Thanks for the short barrels!
Please test the 10 mm Silver Tip. Silver Tips are for sale for reloading. I want to make sure going after the box velocity they don't fragment too much
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Silvertips are very good standard pressure rounds. They run in all my pistols including my Hi-Point 10mm. Good penetration and plenty of expansion in my book.
Yep. Usually decent priced too.
This one is very interesting to me. One of the few times I have had a chrono available to me, I had some Winchester Silver Tip.👍 But I was shooting 180 grain (I think) 10mm, they averaged in the 1240's out of the 3.8" barrel of my 10mm. So this is one with a confirmed hotter load in 10mm. I will keep my eye open for some of the 9mm stuff.👍 They will be fun in the PCC's.😀
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This round was a service weapon for law enforcement ur talking about a beretta 92 or a Glock 17 maybe the ol heavy smith 59. Not consistent or period correct for the Miami dade shooting
Silver-N-Gold for the winner! Thanks for the share!!
With all the 'modern' 9mm available to me, the ST 115 is what I carry off duty in a Sig 365 Macro X. Just always liked it and it looks good too. It's not the so called king of one shot stops, but that's why I have 15 more to follow the first and shot placement is key anyways. I think it got a bad rep in the FBI shootout and for off duty, where you're likely not going to shoot through barriers, it's just fine. The ST 185 .45 is also a good option for off duty. Another great video. Thanks.
Thank you sir. They did a great job here.😎👍
i carry these silver tips in my sw fpc great content tools!!!!
You should try them again in longer barrels and see how that affects the expansion. I’d say they both performed well.
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Another video knocked out of the park great job brother.pew pew..
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I think the wear wolves may come out for Halloween so had to check out the silver bullets again😅
Silver mushrooms when most folks only find Dry Land Fish, ( Morel ) shrooms.
Nice test.
Keep'em coming!
These did much better than what I've seen in the past with this round, Thank you for your time, sweat and effort In this and all tests, your are #1 in my book, Thanks Brian, have a safe weekend my friend. 👍🇺🇸
I think your needs a little.more spice. Think if you were at 25 yards from the block. Lower velocity probably weak performance vs other rounds that fully open up great video
Yeah, I need to test that out one of these days.
With the 9mm it is the speed that you're after. The Winchester 115gr +P+ That the Illinois State Police used has very good street credentials and a lot of you may not know it is the same 115 gr Winchester silver tip bullet. They just did not make it silver.
My agency we use the Winchester 115gr +P+ to a great extent. Never had any problems putting bad guys down.
The thing that I like about the 40 caliber is it does better against barriers such as windshield, glass and especially human bone where it will break it or go straight through.
The 9 mm is load dependent. I suggest stay away from the heavy 9 mm bullets. You do get the penetration but with the lighter weight and I would not go below 115 grain you get more energy in Target. Also understand you're not hunting human beings to eat them. So the lighter weight bullet destroys tissue better which you're not trying to preserve as if you were hunting an animal with four legs that is.
Our medical examiner noticed brain hemorrhaging and the perpetrators we shot more than likely due to the lightweight high velocity round. So in 9 mm I would say use these rounds.
Corbon 115 +P JHP
Federal 115 +P+
Winchester 115 +P+
Remington 115 +P
This is an interesting comment. So, you're suggesting the 115gr bullets I assume because they will be moving at higher speeds than the heavier ones. Also being +P or +P+ pushes them a little faster. I've heard elsewhere that very fast bullets(such as light .357 Mag) shred tissue more than slower ones. So, perhaps that happens with light 9mm +P+ to some degree too. Though when you mention brain hemorrhaging, was your medical examiner observing that happening from hits to the body with these rounds?
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An unfortunate situation happened with a bad guy holding a gun to a young female he was using as a shield. The officer shot the bad guy with one of the bullets hitting the forearm. The 180 grain Gold Dot deflected upwards killing the female.
still waiting to see Tools do some testing of S&W 40 vs 10 mm to show some manufacturers are just putting 40 loads in 10 mm cases. no surprise here as I would expect S&W 40 to beat 9 mm. I want to see which manufacturers have 10 mil that out preforms their 40 cal.
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Both would take care of two-legged critters.
Excellent to see this - both nice ! Good test , thanks !
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Loaded 200 rds 40 today
This video makes me regret selling off my gen3 Glock 22 in 40 for a gen5 Glock 17.