Not to mention that older people have thinner, fragile skin. A light pinch can produce a blood bruise, now image a pint of hot coffee at that temp. Poor woman.
He didn't even mentioned the part of the story where the lid malfunctioned. Theory goes that the spill happened because the lid didn't pop on properly like it was supposed to. Well, not sure how true it is, but we've all been there. It wouldn't help in the case cause there was nothing illegal about a cheap styrofoam cup being a cheap styrofoam cup, but it adds to the point.
DeadFishFactory She admitted that it's her fault for holding the coffee between her legs to add in sugar and cream and they deducted about $30,000 because it was partially her fault.
@@ilhandaanish2381 And by realizing what many people don't... it's okay to get both sides of a story before repeating it, and using your own judgement!
@@thatcooldudeisawesome876 what did I ruin by playing bitlife correctly by marrying old but rich and pushing them down the stairs to inherit their money and live off of it
When I worked at a McDonald's as a teenager (years before the coffee incident) I noticed the hot water in the bathroom got *way* too hot. You had to be really careful when you washed your hands or you could easily scald yourself. One day a customer told me that her daughter had almost burned herself, and asked to speak to a manager. She wasn't even angry...just very concerned, and wanted management to lower the temperature. I went in back & told the manager and he refused to come out and talk to her. I'm like, "but you're the manager..." and he still wouldn't budge. It was awkward having to tell this woman that the manager was actually refusing to come out and talk to her about her completely legitimate complaint.
What? More like, imagine you are at someone elses house and turn on only the hot water without mixing in cold water and just stick your hands under it without first carefully testing if the temperature is right.
Well, my whole family likes washing their hands with only the hot water on, and when my dad (whos a chef and has had his hands burned so many times that he doesnt feel burns anymore) told me that the hot water from the McDonald's case actually hurt his hands
Right? That's what gets me. Her request was unbelievably reasonable. But she gets used as the poster-child for unreasonable greed, when McD's was the one actually operating out of that.
@@zekeross6542 Yeah right, healthcare won't be cheap, never. Stop living in fairytale land. healthcare care are greedy as f***. I am sorry if that sounds mean but that's the truth because healthcare is working with health insurance. without health insurance you will be paying unreasonable price since the healthcare gives a percentage their money they made to health insurance. Face it, that will never happen, unless people come together with the goverment and fix it. We are so divide right now and it's sad. ):
@@pokepals2780 USA sucks Japan has more freedom what they create but in USA if write fiction and if character gets... I don't harass than someone harass someone you can take the blame.
Everyone here is an "expert" on the subject even though they have never read the court opinion on the case. Important things left out in this: 1. McDonald's own internal memos found in discovery repeatedly stated that their coffee was way to hot as it took too long to cool for people to even drink it in a reasonable time and could cause serious damage, this was ignored by the company. 2. Internal memos also mentioned that the lids needed to be fixed as they were prone to pop off due to poor design and material. Several complaints and lawsuits had already been filed in regards to this. Nothing changed. 3. The amount decided in the end was the *juries* decision due to McDonald's letters to this women which insulted her and treated a women in the hospital like trash. 4. In the end it was appealed and settled out of court for an undisclosed amount. It was less than $600,000 otherwise it has to be reported. So it could be anything really.
@@MrKogline Imo the only people who can truly be "experts" in a situation like this are the people who were actually envolved. That doesn't mean that you aren't allowed to learn about the subject and tell other people about what you learned
@@maxallen121 Ok, so you are of the opinion that attorneys and judges are also not experts. Not a common stance to take, but I can see your point of view, even if I disagree with it.
I'm Australian and worked at McDonald's, I was still taught barista coffee cannot be hotter than 45-50 Celcius. If someone asked for extra hot, 60 is the max we are legally not allowed to exceed that temperature. Sickens me to know the woman who helped implement this rule was torn down by the media and McDonald's themselves
@@__-dr5vm do you mean 60 degrees is 140 F? If so then yeah, it can still burn you pretty bad, but it only be that high if the customer requests it be that hot
The only problem I have with this video is it failed to mention why the coffee was being served so hot in the first place. Anyone who bought a cup of coffee was offered free refills until they left the store so they intentionally made it far too hot to consume so that by the time it cooled off and you were actually able to drink it you wouldn't have time for a refill.
CloudHiro But totally legal. Also, many McDonalds fast food restaurants are located inside malls with crazy ACs, so even if the food is served hot, it gets cold pretty fast.
I had thought the high temperature was to cover the low quality of the coffee, but if it also got them out of free refills, it's double winning... twinning? -Nerdarchist Ryan
Larry Bundy Jr I thinks she just needed the money to pay the hospital bills and wanted to get it over with, she’s old and probably didn’t have sprite towards the company and just wanted to be able to continue life without being known as “The coffee lady”
I'm pretty sure the lady has since passed away. But at least this knowledge seems to be spreading, I've seen a lot of people who are now aware of how terribly McDonald's acted.
As a burn victim it's actually so hard to watch Stella's story. I'm so sad that people have thrown her under the bus. My burns weren't as serious as hers but it still left me with a large scar on my thigh, perminant joint problems and random bouts of pain for no reason. And I'm only 18 I can't imagine what it'd be like to go through in my 70's jeez
sadly, i looked it up-and that's industry standard to serve coffee at 150-180 degrees. Keurig (brewing your own cups at home) brews at 192 degrees, and dispenses around 180. So-everyone who serves coffee is a clown, even those who brew it at home. (basically, it's a surprise you don't hear about far more cases of coffee burns, though they probably happen. It's likely that plenty of people get 2nd or 3rd degree burns cooking pasta and trying to strain the water out every year too. Boiling water and lack of care are a dangerous combination)
@@tylerl4320 Just wanted to point out that I am actually from Nordics, and we have the best healthcare on the planet and it's affordable for the middle-class and rich, maximum is something like 500€ per year. Poor get all healthcare they need free of charge, including medications. Even if they have some rare disease where medication costs 10 000€ per month. Well, we don't have actual poor people, like homeless people lying around and defecating on street or anything like that, our poorest people with minimum benefits actually get more free money from government than American McDonald's worker gets paid on average. This welfare costs us less than 2% of annual government budget. And we spend 3 times less taxpayer money per capita than US. And I'm not bragging or criticizing nor I want to tell other countries how to flip their burgers. I just want to point out, that Americans don't pay less taxes, you pay 3 times more than we do and get a whole lot less, you are being ripped off big time.
Wow, it's quite funny how distorted this story is. I grew up in the UK and I heard it was a dude who got coffee thrown on his crotch by his girlfriend in a McDonalds.
Here, here. I live in the UK and heard this story as if the woman *intentionally* spilled it on herself. My friend that told me this story's version of it was incredibly biased.
David McGinness just wanted to say, I work at a coffee shop and not only is that so freaking hot it would be totally implausible to think of giving that out and I would wait several several minutes before giving that to someone, also I tell people with our reasonably hot drinks to "be careful it's hot " that does not prepare them for literal lava in a cup though, it prepares them for hot coffee
I feel so bad for thinking that. Growing up we would make jokes about her and the greedy justice system. We were so ignorant. That poor lady was 79 and got badly burnt ))): I hope the money helped her and her medical costs.
Ah, thanks Provincial Gentry. I should have paid a bit more attention to when she died, then again I must have gotten some false info. Though I think I did see some info regarding the cause to be related to the burn injury. Thanks for letting us know
Regardless of money, her family says it ruined her life, physically and emotionally because she was a laughing stock and the settlement included a gag order so she could never talk about it openly.
Okay but why did she spill it on herself, if I spill coffee on my privates it's my fault and I will not sue the company. Say what you want it's still her fault because SHE spilled the coffee, who cares if it was hot. That's why you shouldn't spill it on yourself. Even accidentally.
Except they never lowered their temperatures, and neither did Burger King. I’ve worked at both, and the water temperature for their coffee is visible on the machine itself: 206° at both locations I’ve been employed at.
Oh damn it worked here in Australia. At least I think this case was part of the reason for putting in "laws" so to speak on how hot coffee can be. It's not allowed to be hotter than 60 Celcius I believe
@@migaish_ I'm in Australia too and there's a bakery near me where I often grab a coffee on the way to work and it's fucking thermonuclear, by the time I get to work it's just about drinkable. If I was greedy and the owners weren't the really nice people they are I'd see dollar signs lol
@@Roger__Wilco That's exactly why they did it. Most people would just get the coffee to take with them. So, they made it extremely hot so that people on the go would take it to work and by the time it got there, it'd be the right temperature.
No he doesn’t Edit: Every few weeks or so I get a reply to this comment because Someone was offended that I didn’t like Adam. I don’t like him because he smudges details and half the time he talks about something we all already know
I don’t know how, but this needs to be illegalized. Corporations shouldn’t be able to use fright groups and protests to manipulate the media into not exposing their illegal policies. Such groups and organizations can be a great way to spread messages to the world, but they shouldn’t be used for manipulation of the public. It isn’t right.
Too late. Companies have already tested the legal waters and made sure that if you agree to arbitration clauses, you gave up your right to file lawsuits. The companies already won this battle.
Unfortunately, defamation cases are tricky. Not only do you have to prove that the other party willfully lied, but also that the lie harmed you in some way (usually financially).
Some McDonald's still serve coffee that is dangerously hot. A couple of years ago, I picked up a McD coffee for a friend and set it down in my lap briefly because they were handing out everything to me at the same time and my wrist was broken so i only had one hand to work with. They didn't put the lid on all the way and it instantly spilled on my lap. I had to go to the ER and ended up hospitalized with severe burns. It was the most expensive cup of coffee I've ever had, and it wasn't even mine. So it seems McDonald's didn't really learn their lesson.
All hot coffee is served at temperatures that can cause 3rd degree burns, it is all dangerously hot. That is why it was once common sense to handle with care.
Musica Nope, it was a legitimate claim for a dangerously hot product that has no actual reason for being served so hot. I've seen the burn pictures, and they are horrifying. The burns look less like coffee scald and more like heavy duty chemical burns. No one in their right mind would brew and serve coffee like that at home, so I don't understand the need for a restaurant to serve it so hot.
Couldn’t she have sued McDonald’s for slander? I mean I get that she was a nice lady who didn’t even want the case, but dang I would sue them for slander if they turned me from a nice old lady to a money hungry liar.
Wilthewise as someone who has been injured by McDonald's and failed to access complete medical treatment on workplace injuries, the sad reality remains that this woman among so many others aren't able to claim a lawsuit for bodily damages. mcdonald's are big enough not just to belittle her in court but change court itself.
I think it was the media who did all the slander for them, McDonald's were the ones who just got the ball rolling. So, if she did try to sue, McDonald's would probably have the defence of "we're not the ones who claimed all this stuff", it's the media who messed up the facts.
@@user-ph3ji8gp3p Tims serves hot coffee at temperatures that can cause 3rd degree burns. You admit it has burned you, but you don't seem to understand that if it can burn it can cause 3rd degree burns. You see the temperature can either damage the skin or not, your skin can't decide it no longer wants to burn. The big difference is exposure time and area, because again ALL hot coffee is served at temperatures that can burn. I do not work for McDonald's and they are not paying me to correct this misinformation, how much is Tims paying you to spread misinformation that their coffee can't burn?
My parents always felt bad for her and they explained the incident in painful detail any time someone would make a joke or insult the woman. I grew up seeing Stella as nothing more than a victim, a truly tragic shame others only saw her as a villain.
Very happy to see this because the fact that people have mischaracterized this case for decades now has always pissed me off. To this day I hear people saying how frivolous this lawsuit was but when I explain it to them they're always like "I didn't know all of that!" Well then maybe you shouldn't form opinions without having all of the information then.
Honestly mcdonalds shouldntve had to have payed for her injuries. It a was her fault and she admitted it. Yes their coffee is hot but thats what the consumers wanted so they gave that to them. Like she was most likely aware the coffee was hot in the first place and she voluntarily ordered it so she should take complete responsibility for her mistake. They literally have to put "WARNING: coffee hot" on their cups now so people cant take advantage of the legal system so they dont have to pay their own medical bills. People just try to make it seem black and white with things like "POOR OLD LADY :(" and "EVIL BIG BUISINESSES" pandering to emotions isnt an argument.
julian villegas For example, it is simply not true that McDonalds lowered the temperature of the coffee. But of course it nicely supports the narrative of a company finally admitting to have done something wrong. If that was true, why would they have had it so hot to begin with? Because it is coffee, coffee has to be hot and consumers want it that way and McDonalds won't do shit and ruin it's coffee for everybody just because some old lady and a fey other people were too stupid to handle it carefully.
Dragomir Mihai I did a small assignment too on the burning coffee fiasco. Almost every article you see on the internet has the same story. Where she spilled it while she was driving. I was in 8th/9th grade and didn't have to check if the source was credible so that could be it.
@@sprucesoultree3833 Can you prove that? Also, protesting isn't illegal, but anything could happen. Things on paper don't really always apply to the real world
I actually learned about this in a law class in college. When I tried to explain it to my American politics class, LITERALLY the entire classroom (save my professor) laughed and dismissed any further explanation. "well duh, coffee's hot" most people would say. Is most coffee 190 degrees? :/
You're technically supposed to brew coffee between 190-210 degrees but then let it cool to about 140-160 degrees before serving. That's why when they make coffee at a gas station they are supposed to let it sit on the warmer before allowing customers to drink it.
sanserof7 if that kind of heat falls in your lap you can't simply remove it like if you put your hand on a stove. You will get severely burned because you have no way of escaping that heat quickly.
vivianc3004 the point of the case is you need to wait for things to cool before serving them. It's like a restaurant giving you a fresh out the oven item and not telling you it's hot still. You'd immediately try to eat your food if you were not told it didn't have time to cool. With over 700 burn cases it's not just a common sense issue. This case is also why most companies use coffee sleeves, decreases liability.
When I saw the pictures of her third degree burns... omg it was horrible. I can't believe the media fell for this bullshit and shamed an old innocent lady :(
***** If you had payed attention to the case before this video, or had watched the video, you would know the lady wanted just enough money to pay for the surgery. McDonald's didn't give it to her. And it was the court that decided to make McDonald's give her a shit ton of money. Good luck in any of your future affairs, my friend. Maybe then you'll learn to pay attention to events going on around you.
Nothing to do with stupidity. You can't produce a dangerous product and serve it to the public because accidents will happen. If McDonald's sold coffee at a reasonable temperature, accidents wouldn't result in 3rd degree burns and hospitalizations. Whats worse is McDonald's was doing it to save money so they made a few bucks more at the expense of people's health.
I worked at McDonald's about 5 years ago and at that time they still kept the coffee so hot that during orientation you're told to pour carefully because it will burn you instantly. I'm talking when a dribble runs across your hand during a pour you instantly have a red angry welt where it ran. I once had some spill across my entire hand and had what looked like an extremely angry sunburn for several days.
People are saying it's "better that way" because it's on-the-go but I take a sip when I first get something. Sounds horrendous to accidentally drink something that hot. I had a 1st degree burn in my mouth once and even then I could barely eat.
Kolev Antonio I mean, yelling edgy at people over the internet rather than doing their own research takes less time so I wouldn't be surprised people like you wouldn't do it
It may be so over there, but on the other side of the world, it's a bit different story. Stuff like this we hear most of the time, but only from the media. So we kinda get the distorted version, and nothing more on it.
The truth hsa come out more and more as time has passed. But the damage is done. Tort reform is still a thing in many parts of the country because dumbasses are too blinded by hysteria to look out for their own best interests.
And i promise, if you saw the medical photos documenting her injuries, you'd understand immediately how far from frivolous this lawsuit was. This little old lady was so badly burned that her skin effectively _liquefied and fused together._ Completely and utterly horrific.
They'll doctor it to make them look like the victim then redistribute it to CNN and Fox News who will doctor it further to make it look like their rival political party is to blame.
It also says that this was the case when she first tried getting compensation from McDonalds. Once a lawyer was needed, and court costs, and just the time put in and the stress through an already shitty time, why not sue for more ?
Jasper Jones Haha, well what can I say, I like to hear Adam ruin things! I actually lived in Albuquerque, NM for a couple of years. ☕ -Nerdarchist Ryan
What false information are you talking about? What is sad is how easily people fall for the lies and misinformation of this video. All hot coffee can cause 3rd degree burns.
MrNateSPF Of course coffee can burn you, and I wasn't referring to that fact when I mentioned false information. I meant how the company portrayed the woman.
andthenifellinlove Okay, so you already know that Adam's conclusions rely on lies and misinformation. What false information do you think McDonald's spread about this woman? Adam's baseless accusations about what McDonald's did to the woman are actually what Adam was doing to McDonald's in this video, that's called projection.
It's sad how people defend this moron for spilling coffee on her private parts. Adam's claims in this video are ridiculous. SHE burned herself, why should the company take any responsibility in this? So what, that means I take the wrong pill I sue the pharmacy?
Blue Bacon Carrot Not all over her body, rather where the heat from a full fresh cup of hot coffee was held insulated against the skin in a sensitive area for 5 seconds by cotton sweatpants. McDonald's served the product in a heat resistant container, it was undisputed that she caused the spill. All hot coffee is served at temperatures that can cause 3rd degree burns, all major vendors of hot coffee have also had injuries. Though serious injury is extremely rare, with millions upon millions of consumers and the law of large numbers it happens from time to time. In the decade leading up to this case the average McDonald's location received 0 reports of injury from hot coffee, as over 99.999% of customers were able to enjoy carefully without injury.
MrNateSPF Did you watch the video? Coffee, while being hot, shouldn't be that hot. It doesn't matter if she spilled it herself, it's a safety hazard. How dumb are you to say that, when the video explains it.
MrNateSPF Listen, it doesn't matter if the customer caused the burn or whatever on accident. If whatever it is is dangerous, IT IS THE PRODUCERS FAULT. Say a business doesn't cleanse their food properly and somebody with a weaker immune system gets sick. It isn't the person with the immune systems fault, it is the business' fault for having unsafe food. Same with McDonalds. Coffee doesn't need to be near boiling point, especially if it is in a garbage cup that can spill easily. And I keep seeing you bring up most coffee being quite hot, but the difference between a business making the coffee and you making it at a machine at home is that people in a business can be held responsible for the production of the coffee while when you make it at home they cannot, so it is different.
its funny because it had a domino effect on almost all other places that sell hot beverages. Now, places like so, have "hot" and "handle carefully" labels on the cups along with other ways to prevent another customers injury.
You don't ruin things you're explaining them better... I am from europe... I speak a kind of german and when I heard about that incident I thought it was because of driving while drinking the coffee... thank you for clearing that...
Adam's extremly obnoxious as the Adam shown, but somehow cute while explaining, why common assumptions are shit. Basicly Mythbusters for common "knowledge" instead dealing with urban legends and *explode* them
This is so frivolous. She never would have gotten burned in the first place if she had simply forgone her mortal flesh and ascended into robotic perfection when the Android Revolution abducted her primitive meatbag village.
Andy Rodriguez Everyone and their mother knows you're quoting Gordon, Changing the pronoun from "it" to "we" doesn't kill the reference. But changing it from "we" to "it" does kill the joke. For me at least. But i'm just a grammar nazi.
2 years late on this comment but I knew this back in high school, that she got 3rd degree burns and only wanted her medical bills paid. Saying that because I don't know where I learned the story but I thought everyone knew that. So when I started hearing jokes about the case I just thought that people were insanely cruel and bats*** crazy.
The reality is she was 79 years old. She knew coffee was hot, you brew coffee at between 195 and 205 to get the optimum flavor. Anyone too stupid to be careful with a cup of coffee is an idiot and she shouldn't have gotten a dime. If I buy a bottle of acid and spill it on myself I don't expect the place that sold me the acid to pay for my carelessness. It was and will always be a frivolous lawsuit. Too many of these Adam Ruins Everything episodes are just snowflake views of the world and devoid of common sense.
Yo sociopath, would you take the lid off to add sugar and cream in your acid cup, or it had to be stored in a safety container? That's the way to treat dangerous chemicals, not a supposed to be an edible drink. Moreover, cups from McDonald's are cheap af products that their lids could be bursted easily. Say, if you were electrocuted because the company used cheap PVC plastic, was that your fault because you didn't know it was an unsafe product?
@@duckmyass it seems you're an over-sensitive snowflake with an aversion to facts. Because this wasn't a cup of privately brewed coffee in someone's kitchen - it happened in a business. McD actually violated food safety regulations in serving it this hot to customers. And they did it knowingly and deliberately, just because it was more practical for them. AND they were repeat offenders. Because that wasn't the first incident (as had been said on here, remember those 700 complaints?) Other chains had lowered the temperature of their coffee to comply, McD violated them.
@@duckmyass Also true...noone told her to shove it between her legs and then attempt to open it in a cramped car with the dexterity of a 79 year old. Although, as someone who was scalded by MdDonalds coffee many times while drinking it on my lips and tongue back when they had it at that temperature, it was clearly not safe for consumption and violated various safety regulations. Giving people something that is literally dangerous to handle and then blaming them for the result is... well... like what cigarette companies, alcohol companies, and gun companies have been doing for years.
@@Alex-vq9vj Wrong. There are no food safety regulations that would have been violated by the coffee. Even today if you check the temperature of coffee at a Starbucks you'll find in many of their coffees the temperature is 190 degrees. The problem was a grandson giving his feeble grandma a hot cup of coffee, letting her spill it in her lap because he was too lazy to fix the coffee for her and then letting it continue to burn her until he arrived at the ER room. If he had pulled the cotton sweat suit off of her she would never have been so badly burned. It takes 2 seconds to cause 3rd degree burns with a hot liquid on the skin, plenty of time for either one of them to pull the sweat pants down.
TheBlueMan I took a Law and Society class in undergrad that briefly went over this (the actual case), and I’m just now starting Law School (also US) and my Torts class is starting with Negligence law basically taught entirely by using this case. I think it depends on where you are, some schools are better informed than others
Correction: When caused by liquid, it is a scald, not a burn. Burns only apply to dry heat. So she was covered in third degree scalds. bgeniij ruins everything.
I work at mcdonald's and due to the pandemic, I have to wear gloves. I accidentally touched one of the coffee pots and it instantly melted the glove. It's like touching the fryer
He makes tiny hints and jokes about secretly hating tru-tv's media ways. So yes, he works for the media of tru-tv. Not all media is bad though, just like not all cops are bad people. There are good and bad ones, just have to pick with our "good" judgement of who the good ones are.
During the trial McDonald's was asked why there coffee temp was so high, McDonald's claimed that was the temp the customers liked, so? If I liked my hotel room without a smoke detector the hotel is not gonna disable it, why? Because it's a safety risk
McDonalds's offers free refills on their coffee, but if you make it too hot, people aren't going to stay in the store long enough for it to cool and drink more than a cup. This saves them the cost for refills. Yes, the cost for refills is crazy small. No, McDonald's didn't care. It's a game of pennies with them.
I was in Norway a few days ago, and bought McDonald's coffee. Even there it is fucking hot. You have to wait 5 to 10 minutes or else you burn your mouth.
Mcdonald's coffee always tastes like shit because they keep it hot rather than letting it cool. Its much like how soft serve ice cream tastes better because the added air helps the taste buds taste and its the same deal with carbonated beverages.
you don't let it cool as letting it cool, anyone can do (especially since most add cream and milk) while you can't make it hotter easily. BTW they still serve the coffee at the same temperature.
IDK, math's pretty useful. Oh, wait, once you understand the basic use of math, calculators are everywhere and you wasted years doing pointless exercises justified as "conditioning" for your mind.
Yeah and I hate how people complain, this isn't true, I have my OWN FACTS But guys really it just come s down to whichever you want to trust, and preferably I want the one that uses more facts instead of groups that just believe a stupid thing
+hey there it actually has more to do with irregular upkeep and maintenance. Apparently you have to be trained in how to maintain it and get "licensed" and many McDonald's teams either don't have the time to train someone (due to the crazy busy hours) or literally no one else knows how (crazy turnaround on employees, to many noobies). I even read a story someone who worked for them said about how they taught themselves how to do it during overnights and actually got reprimanded due to a manager not being present.
For those of you wondering. 700 reports over the course of 10 years comes out to them getting a new report every five days. Looking at it from that perspective, the 700 is a lot more frequent than it looks at first glance.
@@terry_the_terrible I mean accidents are accidents... just because it's rare to happen does not mean it is not important. Though something happens once every 5 days is already enough to qualify as common occurence.
@@cloudynguyen6527 It's hot liquid. It's to be expected. If McDonald sees 1000000 customers a year, and 700/10 = 70 customers a year get burned I see literally no issue. 70 out of a million. But there's an issue with my math. McDonalds doesn't serve 1 million a year. They server hundreds of millions of people a year. So 70 out of at least 100,000,000 is very marginal for the typical injury you'd expect from the product their serving. You're probably surrounded by more dangerous things in your house right now.
The only coffe that should be served in Murica. Just in case more crybabies start putting it between their legs and blame the "big, evil corporation" when they spill it.
Sulik, The cup collapsed between her legs when she was putting in sugar and cream. It wasn't really a spill (although the actual burn was 100% on her). And no coffee burn should nearly kill you and rip off all of your skin.
The actual pictures of her burns are on the Internet, they are horrendous. My hubby was just recently making a stupid comment regarding this case and after I explained the facts and showed him the pictures of what that poor women went through, he finally shut his big mouth, now if could figure out how to win every argument, that would be nice.
The only issue is that Adams version is also partially untrue, McDonalds still serves coffee at extremely high temperatures the case set no precedent there as coffee is normally brewed at really high temps, also frivolous lawsuits have been on the rise and are a part of the reason we have really high heathcare costs. The reason for that is simple lawyers have a lot of incentive to work on such cases as they get a % rather than a fixed rate.
+Ares Krieger Frivolous lawsuits have nothing to do with high healthcare costs. That is a ridiculous claim, in fact. As is your claim that McDonald's coffee is still served at same temperature as before this case. Stop lying.
***** Yes, and that part of the responsibility was factored into the judgment. How does that make McDonald's not responsible for selling coffee hot enough to fucking dissolve people? Are you too stupid to understand that responsibility can be shared? It's not an either/or question, you dumb fucking gob.
212° F is water's boiling point at sea level. 190° F served in an easily spilled cup to a person in a car is a criminally negligent practice, as the court rightfully found.
I'm not convinced most people did not know what happened, and still believe the woman undeserving of reparations from McDonald's, who did absolutely nothing wrong, not even slightly.
Carbon 12 how is serving something that caused 3rd degree burns, permanent genital disfigurement and almost causing a woman to die not wrong? they also knew their coffee was being served to hot and kept it that hot to cut costs.
You boil water to make coffee. If you are unaware of that, and still put it between your legs, then spill it on yourself, that's your own fault. It would have been the same if it was tea, or any other hot beverage. The fact that she was an elderly woman didn't help, either. From my understanding, a big contributing factor was that the McDonald's lawyers were smug a-holes, and the judge wasn't having any of it...
biostemm and carbon 12. Sure, you SHOULD boil the water first, but any person with any common sense or care for their customers wouldnt LEAVE IT NEAR FUCKING BOILING INSTEAD OF FUCKING COOLING I KNOW IM FUCKING CURSING AND ALL IN FUCKING CAPS BUT IM FUCKING DONE IVE REPLIED TO A FUCKING ENDLESS WAVE OF COMMENTS THAT DONT. FUCKING. GET. THAT. YOU. SHOULDNT. SERVE. COFFEE. STILL. AT. BOILING. okay im done now
Ok for people too lazy to actually watch the video, over 700 people had complained to McDonald's about burns from the coffee . They kept it near boiling.
Ok for the lazy person who doesn't do his research, every coffee is served "near boiling". And a lot of people complain about burns from coffee in all of the major brands. News flash: Hot liquids CAN SCALD YOU
Abigail Azule Your boiling water was hotter than the hot coffee, but you did not allow the heat to be held insulated against the skin. All hot coffee has the potential to cause 3rd degree burns.
nosuchthing8 That equates to less than 0.0001%, while millions of people were able to enjoy the product without injury. All of McDonald's major competitors in the hot coffee space have also been sued. All hot coffee can cause 3rd degree burns.
When I brew myself a coffe I always heat the water until it boils. I expect the bars and restaurants staff to do the same. And still I haven't burned my dick. You know why? Well I'll tell you my secret: I'm not an idiot who puts a hot drink between his legs.
well, everyone trips and falls and slips. That is why complaints are rare. Either way, if the coffee wasn't hot, there wouldn't be any issue. It's the companies fault for keeping it that hot and ignore what the damages it could cause when it is not nessecary to keep it near boiling, compared to people who slip or trip over at times.
Same, was a case we actually talked about in my business law class at college. The professor gave us this background that Adam talked about. I am glad the professor gave us the correct information. And yes I know college loans are evil.
Animation Hub That's what Doger was saying. He was commenting on the large difference between Celsius and Fahrenheit, and how the fact that the boiling point that he's familiar with, 100 degrees, is so drastically different than the one that Fahrenheit uses is "crazy", as he said. It's just commentary on how amazingly diverse this planet is, like someone in the northern hemisphere saying "Summer in December, that's crazy!"
It's because Fahrenheit and Celsius are for two different purposes. Fahrenheit is scaled to the range of temperatures that humans find tolerable. Prolonged exposure to temperatures below 0 or above 100 degrees F pose a significant hazard to human health. By contrast, Celsius is a unit better geared to scientific measurements and is based on the difference between the freezing and boiling points of water. But that's still arbitrary because it's just a single chemical compound. They could just as well have based it on the freezing and boiling points of Hydrogen or Helium or Oxygen or Ethanol. The only truly absolute unit of measure for temperatures is Kelvin which is even more sciency than Celsius, but it's pretty cumbersome even for Science, let alone for everyday use.
Wow... dude climate change was originally called global warming and switched to climate change for good measure since there are more extreme weather disasters besides just the earth heating up....
waiting for republicans to finally admit global warming exists when it starts to harm their businesses more in the short term rather than the long term...
But wait Trump said that Global warming is a hoax made by the Chinese? But *pulling out* of the Paris Accords was a great idea it saved us money while some people can eat polar bear steaks and bald eagles for lunch
Not to mention that older people have thinner, fragile skin. A light pinch can produce a blood bruise, now image a pint of hot coffee at that temp. Poor woman.
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Forget being an old lady, 190 f is going to burn anybody.
And that body part...
Jade one second of water at the temp will cause 3rd degree burns
He didn't even mentioned the part of the story where the lid malfunctioned. Theory goes that the spill happened because the lid didn't pop on properly like it was supposed to. Well, not sure how true it is, but we've all been there. It wouldn't help in the case cause there was nothing illegal about a cheap styrofoam cup being a cheap styrofoam cup, but it adds to the point.
Looked up her burns. That didnt look like coffee, more like molted metal or some shit ... no wonder she sued.
Still her fault. The suit was baseless, but emotions win sometimes.
DeadFishFactory dumbass
actually she shouldnt have got them THAT bad from a fast food coffee
Montyfatcat FAT
DeadFishFactory She admitted that it's her fault for holding the coffee between her legs to add in sugar and cream and they deducted about $30,000 because it was partially her fault.
As someone who only heard, the cliched Story, I feel shitty for believing anything I heard. I wish I could apologise, but by now, that's not possible.
You can make up for it by spreading the correct information and spreading the truth
@@ilhandaanish2381 And by realizing what many people don't... it's okay to get both sides of a story before repeating it, and using your own judgement!
don’t feel shitty that you believed a clever lie, just try to do what you can to prevent people from being fooled in the future.
Same just like the dinjo at my baby story 😔
“I want money. My ethics are questionable.” - me playing monopoly
Cat Flufferson me playing bitlife
@@Prototype_Malice You ruined it!
@@thatcooldudeisawesome876 what did I ruin by playing bitlife correctly by marrying old but rich and pushing them down the stairs to inherit their money and live off of it
alitzahc I once bullied my sister until she snapped and killed me with a chainsaw. Good times.
That moment when you want to save a TH-cam comment.
When I worked at a McDonald's as a teenager (years before the coffee incident) I noticed the hot water in the bathroom got *way* too hot. You had to be really careful when you washed your hands or you could easily scald yourself. One day a customer told me that her daughter had almost burned herself, and asked to speak to a manager. She wasn't even angry...just very concerned, and wanted management to lower the temperature. I went in back & told the manager and he refused to come out and talk to her. I'm like, "but you're the manager..." and he still wouldn't budge. It was awkward having to tell this woman that the manager was actually refusing to come out and talk to her about her completely legitimate complaint.
Rustin Stardust dang I'm sorry to hear that
Just report the manager to his managers
If I turn my water on hot at home and stick my hands in..... Guess what happens?
What? More like, imagine you are at someone elses house and turn on only the hot water without mixing in cold water and just stick your hands under it without first carefully testing if the temperature is right.
Well, my whole family likes washing their hands with only the hot water on, and when my dad (whos a chef and has had his hands burned so many times that he doesnt feel burns anymore) told me that the hot water from the McDonald's case actually hurt his hands
I felt bad for the old lady. She didn't ask to be the butt of anyone's jokes. She just wanted to have her medical bills paid.
Right? That's what gets me. Her request was unbelievably reasonable.
But she gets used as the poster-child for unreasonable greed, when McD's was the one actually operating out of that.
Just think if american made healthcare cheap all of this won't happen
@@zekeross6542 Yeah right, healthcare won't be cheap, never. Stop living in fairytale land. healthcare care are greedy as f***. I am sorry if that sounds mean but that's the truth because healthcare is working with health insurance. without health insurance you will be paying unreasonable price since the healthcare gives a percentage their money they made to health insurance. Face it, that will never happen, unless people come together with the goverment and fix it. We are so divide right now and it's sad. ):
Most developed countries have great healthcare systems. America is the exception, not the norm
@@pokepals2780 USA sucks Japan has more freedom what they create but in USA if write fiction and if character gets... I don't harass than someone harass someone you can take the blame.
Everyone here is an "expert" on the subject even though they have never read the court opinion on the case. Important things left out in this:
1. McDonald's own internal memos found in discovery repeatedly stated that their coffee was way to hot as it took too long to cool for people to even drink it in a reasonable time and could cause serious damage, this was ignored by the company.
2. Internal memos also mentioned that the lids needed to be fixed as they were prone to pop off due to poor design and material. Several complaints and lawsuits had already been filed in regards to this. Nothing changed.
3. The amount decided in the end was the *juries* decision due to McDonald's letters to this women which insulted her and treated a women in the hospital like trash.
4. In the end it was appealed and settled out of court for an undisclosed amount. It was less than $600,000 otherwise it has to be reported. So it could be anything really.
This comment should be on top.
I understand, but stop acting as if YOU’RE an expert.
@@stephenheading2925 I'm sorry I've litigated multiple lawsuits, how many are you comfortable with before I can call myself an expert?
@@MrKogline Imo the only people who can truly be "experts" in a situation like this are the people who were actually envolved. That doesn't mean that you aren't allowed to learn about the subject and tell other people about what you learned
@@maxallen121 Ok, so you are of the opinion that attorneys and judges are also not experts. Not a common stance to take, but I can see your point of view, even if I disagree with it.
I'm Australian and worked at McDonald's, I was still taught barista coffee cannot be hotter than 45-50 Celcius.
If someone asked for extra hot, 60 is the max we are legally not allowed to exceed that temperature.
Sickens me to know the woman who helped implement this rule was torn down by the media and McDonald's themselves
That's still 140 degrees Fahrenheit. Enough to burn you in six seconds
@@__-dr5vm do you mean 60 degrees is 140 F? If so then yeah, it can still burn you pretty bad, but it only be that high if the customer requests it be that hot
@@migaish_ yep heck 45 to 50 celsius is still over 100 Fahrenheit.
Still not sure why McDonalds served their coffee so hot.
Doesn't it take more electricity to get something hotter?
@@leehongjin6884 no that's just the normal barista temperature in Australia
The only problem I have with this video is it failed to mention why the coffee was being served so hot in the first place.
Anyone who bought a cup of coffee was offered free refills until they left the store so they intentionally made it far too hot to consume so that by the time it cooled off and you were actually able to drink it you wouldn't have time for a refill.
which is pretty scummy in itself!
CloudHiro But totally legal. Also, many McDonalds fast food restaurants are located inside malls with crazy ACs, so even if the food is served hot, it gets cold pretty fast.
I had thought the high temperature was to cover the low quality of the coffee, but if it also got them out of free refills, it's double winning... twinning? -Nerdarchist Ryan
Wait...you get free refills in USA??
SquadGoals Haha, I'd forgotten that the US is one of the few places that's common, but yeah a ton of places do free refills on soda and coffee.
So... why not sue them for libel/slander now?
Larry Bundy Jr I thinks she just needed the money to pay the hospital bills and wanted to get it over with, she’s old and probably didn’t have sprite towards the company and just wanted to be able to continue life without being known as “The coffee lady”
I have honestly never seen a TH-camr with that many subscribers have 3 likes in a 4 year old video.
I'm pretty sure the lady has since passed away. But at least this knowledge seems to be spreading, I've seen a lot of people who are now aware of how terribly McDonald's acted.
I wouldn't want to challenge McDonald's legal team to be honest
She died only a few years later, from a combination of stress (from the smear campaign) and complications from her injuries.
THANK YOU! I've been telling friends about the truth of this case for years and they don't believe me. Maybe I should start wearing glasses...
Rampala and snazzy suits.
Just become the next Adam, your friends will most likely leave you, but its worth it. Educate the future.
samee!!!
TootTootMcbumbersnazzle I see you even here
***** I can't escape you!!! not that I would want to (insert lenny)
As a burn victim it's actually so hard to watch Stella's story. I'm so sad that people have thrown her under the bus. My burns weren't as serious as hers but it still left me with a large scar on my thigh, perminant joint problems and random bouts of pain for no reason. And I'm only 18 I can't imagine what it'd be like to go through in my 70's jeez
Dang. This woman is often used as an example how stupid America is, but people really should do their research.
She is an example of how stupid America is. The entire country believed a lie about an old lady.
*dad*
why is -the fbi- America here?
@Kevo Walker I know we can be stupid, I was just joking
j.j.is.weird it’s still proof that America is stupid. But it’s McDonald’s, not the old lady
Exactly, there’s plenty of other reasons to call Americans stupid
“Third degree burns? No one serves coffee fe that hot”
“you’re right, only a clown would.”
Hehe
We're looking at you ronald mcdonald
sadly, i looked it up-and that's industry standard to serve coffee at 150-180 degrees. Keurig (brewing your own cups at home) brews at 192 degrees, and dispenses around 180. So-everyone who serves coffee is a clown, even those who brew it at home. (basically, it's a surprise you don't hear about far more cases of coffee burns, though they probably happen. It's likely that plenty of people get 2nd or 3rd degree burns cooking pasta and trying to strain the water out every year too. Boiling water and lack of care are a dangerous combination)
*Ronald mcdonald intensifies*
Best burn even hotter than the coffee
The real problem here is $20 000 medical bill.
Only in America where free healthcare (something that nearly every other country has) is treated as evil communism.
@@depressedbreakfast2614 Uncle Sam has always had an irrational fear of anything not capitalist.
@@tylerl4320 I'd rather pay a little more in taxes so everyone can pay less in medical expenses.
@@tylerl4320 Just wanted to point out that I am actually from Nordics, and we have the best healthcare on the planet and it's affordable for the middle-class and rich, maximum is something like 500€ per year. Poor get all healthcare they need free of charge, including medications. Even if they have some rare disease where medication costs 10 000€ per month. Well, we don't have actual poor people, like homeless people lying around and defecating on street or anything like that, our poorest people with minimum benefits actually get more free money from government than American McDonald's worker gets paid on average. This welfare costs us less than 2% of annual government budget. And we spend 3 times less taxpayer money per capita than US. And I'm not bragging or criticizing nor I want to tell other countries how to flip their burgers. I just want to point out, that Americans don't pay less taxes, you pay 3 times more than we do and get a whole lot less, you are being ripped off big time.
@@tylerl4320 There we go again, more McCarthyism. You don't have to be a socialist to think welfare programs are a good idea.
The worst part about this is the injuries described used the words “melted” and “fused”, yet everyone made fun of her.
Wow, it's quite funny how distorted this story is. I grew up in the UK and I heard it was a dude who got coffee thrown on his crotch by his girlfriend in a McDonalds.
I believe that happened as well. Crazy shit happens here.....
Here, here. I live in the UK and heard this story as if the woman *intentionally* spilled it on herself. My friend that told me this story's version of it was incredibly biased.
YayDude123 yeah, I agree.
David McGinness just wanted to say, I work at a coffee shop and not only is that so freaking hot it would be totally implausible to think of giving that out and I would wait several several minutes before giving that to someone, also I tell people with our reasonably hot drinks to "be careful it's hot " that does not prepare them for literal lava in a cup though, it prepares them for hot coffee
Ruby Hooker a
I feel so bad for thinking that. Growing up we would make jokes about her and the greedy justice system. We were so ignorant. That poor lady was 79 and got badly burnt ))): I hope the money helped her and her medical costs.
Unfortunately she died not long after she won the case, due to the damage from the burns being too much for someone at 79 to handle . . .
That's not true. She died 10 years later at the age of 91. The case wasn't even settled for 2 years after the incident.
Ah, thanks Provincial Gentry. I should have paid a bit more attention to when she died, then again I must have gotten some false info. Though I think I did see some info regarding the cause to be related to the burn injury. Thanks for letting us know
Regardless of money, her family says it ruined her life, physically and emotionally because she was a laughing stock and the settlement included a gag order so she could never talk about it openly.
Okay but why did she spill it on herself, if I spill coffee on my privates it's my fault and I will not sue the company. Say what you want it's still her fault because SHE spilled the coffee, who cares if it was hot. That's why you shouldn't spill it on yourself. Even accidentally.
"Holy crow", "mother falcon", "I swear to gull": that's all of the bird-based curse words in one video!
Achievement: Fowl Language!
What the cluck?
man the puns are flying out the window and i might get hit during the process, so i must DUCK down.
Toucan play at that game
We’re the best
What the *duck* is wrong with you
Except they never lowered their temperatures, and neither did Burger King.
I’ve worked at both, and the water temperature for their coffee is visible on the machine itself: 206° at both locations I’ve been employed at.
Oh damn it worked here in Australia. At least I think this case was part of the reason for putting in "laws" so to speak on how hot coffee can be. It's not allowed to be hotter than 60 Celcius I believe
Who wants to drink boiling hot coffee? Not me.
@@migaish_ I'm in Australia too and there's a bakery near me where I often grab a coffee on the way to work and it's fucking thermonuclear, by the time I get to work it's just about drinkable. If I was greedy and the owners weren't the really nice people they are I'd see dollar signs lol
@@Roger__Wilco That's exactly why they did it. Most people would just get the coffee to take with them. So, they made it extremely hot so that people on the go would take it to work and by the time it got there, it'd be the right temperature.
@@Roger__Wilco so you'd give yourself 3rd degree burns to try to sue for money. Lol
Adam doesnt ruin anything. He just speaks truth.
No he doesn’t
Edit: Every few weeks or so I get a reply to this comment because Someone was offended that I didn’t like Adam. I don’t like him because he smudges details and half the time he talks about something we all already know
Sometimes
ATurtl3 GD hes ruined a few things
I like him sometimes, but on the Joe Rogan podcast, he looked pretty dumb
Some of them are informative. Some of them are a little iffy... some of them are just plain wrong
I don’t know how, but this needs to be illegalized. Corporations shouldn’t be able to use fright groups and protests to manipulate the media into not exposing their illegal policies. Such groups and organizations can be a great way to spread messages to the world, but they shouldn’t be used for manipulation of the public. It isn’t right.
DancingCheese they pay the government a lot of money to keep it legal.
Talk to SCOTUS. Somehow corporations have protected speech.
Corporations are people! Just ask the GOP!
Well, until we're not allowed to shoot the greedy pigs between the eyes, this will be the reallity that we're forced to live in.
Too late. Companies have already tested the legal waters and made sure that if you agree to arbitration clauses, you gave up your right to file lawsuits. The companies already won this battle.
190 degrees celcius? that's way past the boiling point. Oh wait, America....
Fahrenheit
Papa Francesco right. American born and raised, and I have no clue why we don't go metric
Papa Francesco 😂😂😂 ikr?
Fahrenheit. The boiling is 212 F. 190 F is about 88 Celsius. Which is still waaaay too hot for even drinking.
Papa Francesco ikr
I feel so awful for this lady. I wonder if she could sue a second time for defamation, against the group that started the misinformation
@sir zeeto so they're accusing her while she's dead? Damn thats trashy
I made a joke about this... now I feel bad
Unfortunately, defamation cases are tricky. Not only do you have to prove that the other party willfully lied, but also that the lie harmed you in some way (usually financially).
She's dead so it's a bit too late for that.
Some McDonald's still serve coffee that is dangerously hot. A couple of years ago, I picked up a McD coffee for a friend and set it down in my lap briefly because they were handing out everything to me at the same time and my wrist was broken so i only had one hand to work with. They didn't put the lid on all the way and it instantly spilled on my lap. I had to go to the ER and ended up hospitalized with severe burns. It was the most expensive cup of coffee I've ever had, and it wasn't even mine. So it seems McDonald's didn't really learn their lesson.
The Paleo One Project wow I'm sorry that happened to you. Was there anything that you could do about it? Like file a complaint or something?
I heard they lowered the required temp to 170 degrees. A good cup of coffee should be 130 max.
Liar
Damn. I've spilled coffee on my lap and was fine. Why do they serve coffee so hot that the laws of physics don't apply to it?
All hot coffee is served at temperatures that can cause 3rd degree burns, it is all dangerously hot. That is why it was once common sense to handle with care.
I'm so glad Adam did this. I thought that the lady did it for money.
Musica Nope, it was a legitimate claim for a dangerously hot product that has no actual reason for being served so hot. I've seen the burn pictures, and they are horrifying. The burns look less like coffee scald and more like heavy duty chemical burns. No one in their right mind would brew and serve coffee like that at home, so I don't understand the need for a restaurant to serve it so hot.
same here it just goes to show u how good their lawyers r to make us believe that their the victim in this case
ShiningDialga they serve that hot so you have to leave before you finish because they don't want you getting a free refill.
Musica if
Can't believe there so much misconception. I am glad adam started this show. I learnt a lot
Just want to let collegehumor know that i prefer these intellectual topics with adam way more than any of their other stuff!
PronomicalArtist it's a TV series called Adam Ruins Everything on TruTV
Except you can't watch it if you're outside the US :(
ThisIsNotATest I watch it on SBS In Australia
"intellectual topics"
Chuckled.
Same.
Couldn’t she have sued McDonald’s for slander? I mean I get that she was a nice lady who didn’t even want the case, but dang I would sue them for slander if they turned me from a nice old lady to a money hungry liar.
Wilthewise as someone who has been injured by McDonald's and failed to access complete medical treatment on workplace injuries, the sad reality remains that this woman among so many others aren't able to claim a lawsuit for bodily damages. mcdonald's are big enough not just to belittle her in court but change court itself.
Wilthewise she couldn’t because they didn’t want to humiliate her
This is so true. I can’t believe people in the comments think that she was just a dumb old lady
I think it was the media who did all the slander for them, McDonald's were the ones who just got the ball rolling.
So, if she did try to sue, McDonald's would probably have the defence of "we're not the ones who claimed all this stuff", it's the media who messed up the facts.
@@Asexual_Individual you got that right. Most of the time the media either exaggerates the stories for their own benefit.
**Wendy burns people on Twitter**
McDonalds:I can burn people too
Stolen joke u lil bitch
Hundredth like👍
A year later and I didn’t know that the girl that’s with adam is tastey from Orange is the new black 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I ain’t gonna change that 669 like :3
It's called purging the heretics in holy fire pffft amateurs
We learned the true version in my college legal class... poor woman.
So you learned that all hot coffee can cause 3rd degree burns?
I thought that said illegal 😂
MrNateSPF all hot coffee cannot cause 3° burns, could stop spreading misinformation
@@MrNateSPF shh
@@user-ph3ji8gp3p Tims serves hot coffee at temperatures that can cause 3rd degree burns. You admit it has burned you, but you don't seem to understand that if it can burn it can cause 3rd degree burns. You see the temperature can either damage the skin or not, your skin can't decide it no longer wants to burn. The big difference is exposure time and area, because again ALL hot coffee is served at temperatures that can burn.
I do not work for McDonald's and they are not paying me to correct this misinformation, how much is Tims paying you to spread misinformation that their coffee can't burn?
I feel sorry for steal just a poor old lady just to pay her medical bills has to be full of insults and lies
Bee Ali I hate you
Mum why did you say that oh typo
Bee Ali was that English...
*Stella
im super confused over this comment section
My parents always felt bad for her and they explained the incident in painful detail any time someone would make a joke or insult the woman. I grew up seeing Stella as nothing more than a victim, a truly tragic shame others only saw her as a villain.
well at least now 2.6 million people know the truth
MR MEESEKS 3.4mil now..lol.
3.5 mil
MR MEESEKS 3.6 mil now
Yeah so many people know it.......but choose not to believe the obvious facts because....IMA REIGHT ANDA YORE A WRONG
3.9 million
Very happy to see this because the fact that people have mischaracterized this case for decades now has always pissed me off. To this day I hear people saying how frivolous this lawsuit was but when I explain it to them they're always like "I didn't know all of that!" Well then maybe you shouldn't form opinions without having all of the information then.
Killer Orange Cat actually the case is mischaracterised in this video. So the people you have been talking to were probably right to begin with.
Arne Schwarz how was the case mischaracterized in this video
Honestly mcdonalds shouldntve had to have payed for her injuries. It a was her fault and she admitted it. Yes their coffee is hot but thats what the consumers wanted so they gave that to them. Like she was most likely aware the coffee was hot in the first place and she voluntarily ordered it so she should take complete responsibility for her mistake. They literally have to put "WARNING: coffee hot" on their cups now so people cant take advantage of the legal system so they dont have to pay their own medical bills. People just try to make it seem black and white with things like "POOR OLD LADY :(" and "EVIL BIG BUISINESSES" pandering to emotions isnt an argument.
julian villegas For example, it is simply not true that McDonalds lowered the temperature of the coffee. But of course it nicely supports the narrative of a company finally admitting to have done something wrong. If that was true, why would they have had it so hot to begin with? Because it is coffee, coffee has to be hot and consumers want it that way and McDonalds won't do shit and ruin it's coffee for everybody just because some old lady and a fey other people were too stupid to handle it carefully.
If she wanted coffee then she should of made it herself.
Funny how my perspective from the beginning of the video to the end totally changed.
Same. I actually did a Law assignment where I voiced that her suing the company was absurd a few weeks ago, before I saw this. I feel very ashamed.
How did you do a law assignment if you didn't know the evidence and other key facts from the trial?
Dragomir Mihai I did a small assignment too on the burning coffee fiasco. Almost every article you see on the internet has the same story. Where she spilled it while she was driving. I was in 8th/9th grade and didn't have to check if the source was credible so that could be it.
That is skilled writing and interpretation.
ByteMe don't trust anything huh
I want to sue McDonald’s for lying about something that serious
Squidward Q Tentacles You would lose since technically they didn’t do anything
@@thecrazyeagle9674 Did you not hear the end? McDonald's *PAID* people to protest the lawsuit.
@@sprucesoultree3833 Can you prove that?
Also, protesting isn't illegal, but anything could happen. Things on paper don't really always apply to the real world
@@thecrazyeagle9674 paying people to spread false information is just bribery with extra steps.
Turbo Turlet How is that ironic?
I actually learned about this in a law class in college. When I tried to explain it to my American politics class, LITERALLY the entire classroom (save my professor) laughed and dismissed any further explanation.
"well duh, coffee's hot" most people would say. Is most coffee 190 degrees? :/
You're technically supposed to brew coffee between 190-210 degrees but then let it cool to about 140-160 degrees before serving. That's why when they make coffee at a gas station they are supposed to let it sit on the warmer before allowing customers to drink it.
Kartracer6 Why?
Because in this World the Corporations have to babysit people.
sanserof7 if that kind of heat falls in your lap you can't simply remove it like if you put your hand on a stove. You will get severely burned because you have no way of escaping that heat quickly.
vivianc3004 the point of the case is you need to wait for things to cool before serving them. It's like a restaurant giving you a fresh out the oven item and not telling you it's hot still. You'd immediately try to eat your food if you were not told it didn't have time to cool. With over 700 burn cases it's not just a common sense issue. This case is also why most companies use coffee sleeves, decreases liability.
Media: this woman is-
Adam: *OBJECTION*
This evidence clearly states she had third degree burns
A C T U A L L Y
Media: this woman is an idiot
Adam: *FALSEHOOD!*
@@ignoreme9110 sanders sides, nice😈
Media: I think-
Adam: *INCORRECT*
OKAY BUT TELL ME ABOUT THE JURY TRIALS THATS THE INTERESTING PART
This is a very edited version of Adam Ruin Everything on TV which the real show is 30 min long
Anonymous I know its a TV show. But I dont watch stuff on TV so
Joe Repp do a search for Adam ruins public defenders. Or something along those lines, it is on TH-cam though.
***** k
Joe Repp- I’ll make a guess that is has something to do with race.
When you watch this video at McDonald's and an employee with a coffee in his hand is walking towards you
(Chuckles)I'm in danger
Show them ur TH-cam profile pic and say ur a member of the church of gabe
Savage
man Everytime I see these videos I wish I could just broadcast it to everyone, to much misinformation
Omar Zahid yea same lol but i dont wanna be the shove right information in your face the media is all telling lies guy.
I cant even see the whole show because i live outside the us
too*
Omar Zahid there is a share button.
I share every one of them to facebook.
I like these, there like adult magic schoolbus
TacoPocalypse best description ever
No adult magic school bus is
Magic Schoolbus XXX
WAIT TILL YOU SEE HIS ONE ON COLUMBUS DAY
Adam actually said the Magic School Bus was one of his inspirations for the show, the other being 'Penn and Teller: Bullshit!'
PhaseGamer his one on columbus day is about half inaccurate
for those from countries that don´t use fahrenheit i.e. every one but America, 190 degrees fahrenheit is 87.7 degrees celsius
87.7 is not that hot for a hot coffee
LadyofSwearsalot Thanks! I thought he meant Celsius, and I was like, that IS boiling Adam!
Mike Messiah ... It's near boiling temperature. And it DID burn her skin. So yeah, it is hot for coffee...
uk store i work at serves at 60, 75 if requested hot.
Robert Simmons hope you don't have any lawsuits coming your way XD
When I saw the pictures of her third degree burns... omg it was horrible. I can't believe the media fell for this bullshit and shamed an old innocent lady :(
Vee Vee Psht, people don’t matter to corporations. Money matters!
Uh, all hot coffee can cause 3rd degree burns.
@@MrNateSPF But not all coffee is sold by people who manage the temperature of the coffee.
@@meghan143x If you know of any make sure to report to a health inspector so they'll get shutdown for ignoring safety standards.
@@MrNateSPF but that is exactly what McDonalds is doing...
Who actually felt bad for the grandma?
AngelKitty/DarkAngel from day one. I never really took her as a greedy woman.
Me
***** If you had payed attention to the case before this video, or had watched the video, you would know the lady wanted just enough money to pay for the surgery.
McDonald's didn't give it to her. And it was the court that decided to make McDonald's give her a shit ton of money. Good luck in any of your future affairs, my friend. Maybe then you'll learn to pay attention to events going on around you.
*****
I did pay attention, and the fact is she wanted McDonald's to pay for her stupidity, and when they refused she took them to court.
Nothing to do with stupidity. You can't produce a dangerous product and serve it to the public because accidents will happen. If McDonald's sold coffee at a reasonable temperature, accidents wouldn't result in 3rd degree burns and hospitalizations. Whats worse is McDonald's was doing it to save money so they made a few bucks more at the expense of people's health.
I worked at McDonald's about 5 years ago and at that time they still kept the coffee so hot that during orientation you're told to pour carefully because it will burn you instantly. I'm talking when a dribble runs across your hand during a pour you instantly have a red angry welt where it ran. I once had some spill across my entire hand and had what looked like an extremely angry sunburn for several days.
and thats after intrduction to better cups can you imaigine what was like for workers when still sold in soda cups. not joking they did that.
People are saying it's "better that way" because it's on-the-go but I take a sip when I first get something. Sounds horrendous to accidentally drink something that hot. I had a 1st degree burn in my mouth once and even then I could barely eat.
jesus
3rd degree burns on the genitals at 79 years old? Yikes! McDonald's execs be like "What? It's not like she's gonna use it anymore! We'll pay peanuts."
Buenomars edgy
Kolev Antonio
No, they actually claimed that she was old and didn't have much use left in her injured body parts so she deserves less money.
GreenGrounds I say lies
Kolev Antonio
I mean, yelling edgy at people over the internet rather than doing their own research takes less time so I wouldn't be surprised people like you wouldn't do it
GreenGrounds least I don't make lies on the spot like you
I honestly thought everyone knew the truth about this, I'm surprised
Mishta Romaniello Same here.
Deanna Jackson In fact, this was the first time I heard about this whole lie people believe.
It may be so over there, but on the other side of the world, it's a bit different story. Stuff like this we hear most of the time, but only from the media. So we kinda get the distorted version, and nothing more on it.
Me too, lol. I didn't know quite how bad it was though.
The truth hsa come out more and more as time has passed. But the damage is done. Tort reform is still a thing in many parts of the country because dumbasses are too blinded by hysteria to look out for their own best interests.
I was so confused as to how coffee could reach 200 degrees when I realised it’s Fahrenheit lol.
Brewing tempature isn't serving tempature
welcome to America.
190 degrees in Celsius would be nuts
@@UzairTheTuber she wouldn't have legs at that point.
Its still 93 degrees Celsius
And i promise, if you saw the medical photos documenting her injuries, you'd understand immediately how far from frivolous this lawsuit was. This little old lady was so badly burned that her skin effectively _liquefied and fused together._
Completely and utterly horrific.
Great, now I can’t unsee it.
Send this video to every McDonald's restaurant in the world
They'll doctor it to make them look like the victim then redistribute it to CNN and Fox News who will doctor it further to make it look like their rival political party is to blame.
I like how you used Doctor instead of Doctrine
McDonalds has to be the furthest thing from a restraunt
If only they just paid her medical bills lol prolly would have been cheaper than $600k
Yes but think long term- They successfully made sure no one else would sue them for their ridiculous policies... ever.
It literally says in the video her medical costs were about 20k so...yes.
@@GiftedContractor Watch it again
It also says that this was the case when she first tried getting compensation from McDonalds. Once a lawyer was needed, and court costs, and just the time put in and the stress through an already shitty time, why not sue for more ?
Thats what any attorney is thinking and advising their clients anyways
McDonald's: Over 700 Crotches Burnt!
Nerdarchy didn't expect to see you here lol
Jasper Jones Haha, well what can I say, I like to hear Adam ruin things! I actually lived in Albuquerque, NM for a couple of years. ☕ -Nerdarchist Ryan
Nerdarchy that lady probably couldn't have children anymore and now the coffee doubled made that chance 100%
Shame shame
Cryatrix somebody hurt my dick!
*”I want money. My ethics are **_questionable._** “*
Isn’t this what inspired monopoly?
That's just capitalism, baby
How sad that companies are willing to make themselves look so much better by putting false information out there.
What false information are you talking about? What is sad is how easily people fall for the lies and misinformation of this video. All hot coffee can cause 3rd degree burns.
MrNateSPF Of course coffee can burn you, and I wasn't referring to that fact when I mentioned false information. I meant how the company portrayed the woman.
andthenifellinlove
Okay, so you already know that Adam's conclusions rely on lies and misinformation. What false information do you think McDonald's spread about this woman? Adam's baseless accusations about what McDonald's did to the woman are actually what Adam was doing to McDonald's in this video, that's called projection.
It's sad how people defend this moron for spilling coffee on her private parts. Adam's claims in this video are ridiculous. SHE burned herself, why should the company take any responsibility in this? So what, that means I take the wrong pill I sue the pharmacy?
@@leonardhollsten8145 The wrong medicine can cause irreparable and severe damage depending on the medicine you take.
They ruined an old lady’s life just so they won’t be sued?
Uh, what? She did sue McDonald's for spilling hot coffee on herself.
Blue Bacon Carrot Not all over her body, rather where the heat from a full fresh cup of hot coffee was held insulated against the skin in a sensitive area for 5 seconds by cotton sweatpants. McDonald's served the product in a heat resistant container, it was undisputed that she caused the spill. All hot coffee is served at temperatures that can cause 3rd degree burns, all major vendors of hot coffee have also had injuries. Though serious injury is extremely rare, with millions upon millions of consumers and the law of large numbers it happens from time to time. In the decade leading up to this case the average McDonald's location received 0 reports of injury from hot coffee, as over 99.999% of customers were able to enjoy carefully without injury.
MrNateSPF Did you watch the video? Coffee, while being hot, shouldn't be that hot. It doesn't matter if she spilled it herself, it's a safety hazard. How dumb are you to say that, when the video explains it.
Most stores shouldnt sell coffee that are a fire-hazzard mc spokeperson
MrNateSPF Listen, it doesn't matter if the customer caused the burn or whatever on accident. If whatever it is is dangerous, IT IS THE PRODUCERS FAULT. Say a business doesn't cleanse their food properly and somebody with a weaker immune system gets sick. It isn't the person with the immune systems fault, it is the business' fault for having unsafe food. Same with McDonalds. Coffee doesn't need to be near boiling point, especially if it is in a garbage cup that can spill easily. And I keep seeing you bring up most coffee being quite hot, but the difference between a business making the coffee and you making it at a machine at home is that people in a business can be held responsible for the production of the coffee while when you make it at home they cannot, so it is different.
its funny because it had a domino effect on almost all other places that sell hot beverages. Now, places like so, have "hot" and "handle carefully" labels on the cups along with other ways to prevent another customers injury.
It's less to prevent injury and more to prevent lawsuits, because if there's a label on it, they can claim the customer should have known.
But i hope these companies are not selling coffee too hot hold, much less drink.
Yeah, they should know. Who dinks freezing coffee like some people them to sell
A wild KILLJOY OMGGG
mcdolands now actually uses coffe cups instead soda cups for hot drinks.
Thank you for this. I have been arguing with people about this for years.
You don't ruin things you're explaining them better... I am from europe... I speak a kind of german and when I heard about that incident I thought it was because of driving while drinking the coffee... thank you for clearing that...
He's ruining everything in a good way
Adam's extremly obnoxious as the Adam shown, but somehow cute while explaining, why common assumptions are shit.
Basicly Mythbusters for common "knowledge" instead dealing with urban legends and *explode* them
I'm yet to understand why people care if companies get ripped off. They have plenty of money
Americans and their trickle down economy mentality.
Aaron Paul brainwashed plebs kissing ass
Aarone Paul Becuase they have to fire workers
I'm a republican and I think companies should pay if their product hurts people. stop trying to group us all together, it's the people not the group.
Because normal people own those companies. Someone doesn't understand economics...
This is so frivolous. She never would have gotten burned in the first place if she had simply forgone her mortal flesh and ascended into robotic perfection when the Android Revolution abducted her primitive meatbag village.
Affirmative. Organic flesh is obsolete. She needs a thermo poly ultra cybernetic exoskeleton like the rest of us have acquired.
+
Saeed Adel This is not a meat bag, this is a clever disguise
Pablo360able And the winner for best joke made in a TH-cam Comment's section goes to...
Stout Shako your mother
“I want money, my ethics are questionable”
10/10 best line
you are the hero we need right now
But not the one it deserves
+Andy Rodriguez
Why did you change the pronoun from "we" to "it"? That bothers me.
filayn nuhaus I'm referencing something else that people don't seem to get
Andy Rodriguez Everyone and their mother knows you're quoting Gordon, Changing the pronoun from "it" to "we" doesn't kill the reference. But changing it from "we" to "it" does kill the joke. For me at least. But i'm just a grammar nazi.
warroom
2 years late on this comment but I knew this back in high school, that she got 3rd degree burns and only wanted her medical bills paid.
Saying that because I don't know where I learned the story but I thought everyone knew that.
So when I started hearing jokes about the case I just thought that people were insanely cruel and bats*** crazy.
The reality is she was 79 years old. She knew coffee was hot, you brew coffee at between 195 and 205 to get the optimum flavor. Anyone too stupid to be careful with a cup of coffee is an idiot and she shouldn't have gotten a dime. If I buy a bottle of acid and spill it on myself I don't expect the place that sold me the acid to pay for my carelessness. It was and will always be a frivolous lawsuit. Too many of these Adam Ruins Everything episodes are just snowflake views of the world and devoid of common sense.
Yo sociopath, would you take the lid off to add sugar and cream in your acid cup, or it had to be stored in a safety container? That's the way to treat dangerous chemicals, not a supposed to be an edible drink. Moreover, cups from McDonald's are cheap af products that their lids could be bursted easily. Say, if you were electrocuted because the company used cheap PVC plastic, was that your fault because you didn't know it was an unsafe product?
@@duckmyass it seems you're an over-sensitive snowflake with an aversion to facts. Because this wasn't a cup of privately brewed coffee in someone's kitchen - it happened in a business. McD actually violated food safety regulations in serving it this hot to customers. And they did it knowingly and deliberately, just because it was more practical for them. AND they were repeat offenders. Because that wasn't the first incident (as had been said on here, remember those 700 complaints?) Other chains had lowered the temperature of their coffee to comply, McD violated them.
@@duckmyass Also true...noone told her to shove it between her legs and then attempt to open it in a cramped car with the dexterity of a 79 year old. Although, as someone who was scalded by MdDonalds coffee many times while drinking it on my lips and tongue back when they had it at that temperature, it was clearly not safe for consumption and violated various safety regulations. Giving people something that is literally dangerous to handle and then blaming them for the result is... well... like what cigarette companies, alcohol companies, and gun companies have been doing for years.
@@Alex-vq9vj Wrong. There are no food safety regulations that would have been violated by the coffee. Even today if you check the temperature of coffee at a Starbucks you'll find in many of their coffees the temperature is 190 degrees. The problem was a grandson giving his feeble grandma a hot cup of coffee, letting her spill it in her lap because he was too lazy to fix the coffee for her and then letting it continue to burn her until he arrived at the ER room. If he had pulled the cotton sweat suit off of her she would never have been so badly burned. It takes 2 seconds to cause 3rd degree burns with a hot liquid on the skin, plenty of time for either one of them to pull the sweat pants down.
Btw, the pictures of her burns are public, and they're absolutely worth $2.5 million.
I ain't searching that, my previous experiences with pictures of severe medical conditions prevents me from that
Антониус Казаков Like the profile picture
Oh man, I couldn't even imagine Googling that...
Oh. my. fucking. god.
Cycosniper Don't tell me that you looked it up
"McDonalds was serving coffee at up to 190 degrees, that's almost boiling!"
Me: 190 degrees?! That's way past boiling!
Oh wait, Fahrenheit.
I had to actually tell my economics teacher this
Nuzhat Nayeem good job 👍 spread the truth
Good. As a teacher i love learning something from my students
How did they react?
Seriously? In the uk we’ve pretty much been taught this story, if you’ve ever sat a business or law class it’s one of the first things we get taught
TheBlueMan I took a Law and Society class in undergrad that briefly went over this (the actual case), and I’m just now starting Law School (also US) and my Torts class is starting with Negligence law basically taught entirely by using this case. I think it depends on where you are, some schools are better informed than others
Thank you for talking about this. Drives me insane when people make snide remarks about this poor lady.
Correction: When caused by liquid, it is a scald, not a burn. Burns only apply to dry heat. So she was covered in third degree scalds.
bgeniij ruins everything.
bgeniig you didn't even spell your own username properly. Wow.
doctor99268 ruins everything
I work at mcdonald's and due to the pandemic, I have to wear gloves. I accidentally touched one of the coffee pots and it instantly melted the glove. It's like touching the fryer
....So are you expecting the coffee to be boiled in luke-warm water? Or that the coffee pot would be cold 🤦🏿
@@edwardhoffenheim3249 im providing a visual on how hot the pot is to better explain why not to touch it 🤦🏻♂️
No joke i literally just spilt coffee on my lap halfway through.
You better not sue us.
Lol.
CollegeHumor I'll think about it. 😉
lol no way
I remember hearing about this story on Fox and Friends years ago.
Guess how *they* reported it..........
I learned the coffee thing exactly how Adam explained it because my mom researched it
McD's plastic glass sure is capable of withstanding a 190 degree of boiled coffee, though... .
He is reading of a script he does not make it
@@satesup4353 it was served in paper soda cup at time sad
@@alexlazo1343 Expression is everything
But doesn't Adam work for...the media...
they mean the NEWS.
He makes tiny hints and jokes about secretly hating tru-tv's media ways. So yes, he works for the media of tru-tv. Not all media is bad though, just like not all cops are bad people. There are good and bad ones, just have to pick with our "good" judgement of who the good ones are.
he does, but him and collegehumour have most of the creative control over the show
Matthew Morton No. He works for CollegeHumor and TruTV.
David Romine which is the media what you should say is that he's a factcheker
During the trial McDonald's was asked why there coffee temp was so high, McDonald's claimed that was the temp the customers liked, so? If I liked my hotel room without a smoke detector the hotel is not gonna disable it, why? Because it's a safety risk
seriously?! why TF would you make coffee that hot?
to burn you? otherwise why would you buy it?
+Asterio Yes, I would buy it.
McDonalds's offers free refills on their coffee, but if you make it too hot, people aren't going to stay in the store long enough for it to cool and drink more than a cup. This saves them the cost for refills. Yes, the cost for refills is crazy small. No, McDonald's didn't care. It's a game of pennies with them.
zimbuwawa I see... that makes so much sense!
I was in Norway a few days ago, and bought McDonald's coffee. Even there it is fucking hot. You have to wait 5 to 10 minutes or else you burn your mouth.
Mcdonald's coffee always tastes like shit because they keep it hot rather than letting it cool. Its much like how soft serve ice cream tastes better because the added air helps the taste buds taste and its the same deal with carbonated beverages.
Why not just let it cool? I mean, from a business standpoint, it's best to serve it hot enough to be palatable if it's to go.
Dohavior __ But if they let it cool the people will be able to tell just how shitty it really is.
Root beer
you don't let it cool as letting it cool, anyone can do (especially since most add cream and milk) while you can't make it hotter easily. BTW they still serve the coffee at the same temperature.
Also since nobody has pointed this out. Coffee isn't carbonated
Even tho i've already seen this, i'll watch it again to support CollegeHumor
You are a true hero. Thank you for your service.
same
CollegeHumor
Please actually tell the whole story, not the half that fits your perspective on the matter.
+Marmaduck Productions WTF are you whining about, you dipshit?
EVERYTHING Adam and his expert said in this video is COMPLETELY ACCURATE.
I never said it wasn't. I just said that it only pointed out some information that fit his perspective, instead of giving all the parts of the story.
“Your right only a *clown* would!”
*I see what you did there*
they served it at 190 degrees? who can even drink that shit at that temperature?!?
Matt McAvay 190° in retarded units, in celcius its about 87°
Matt McAvay the worst thing is, she was wearing sweatpants, so they absorved the coffee, and absolutely destroyed her legs
Matt McAvay Exactly the same temperature as Dunkin.
Matt McAvay Iceman?
+DarkHero Gamer I'd love to see frosty the snow man drink some
I've learned more from Adam Ruins Everything than in school, I'd rather watch this for 7 hours than sit in a boring classroom
Its only boring if you don't pay attention. Try learning, its fun
IDK, math's pretty useful.
Oh, wait, once you understand the basic use of math, calculators are everywhere and you wasted years doing pointless exercises justified as "conditioning" for your mind.
Yeah and I hate how people complain, this isn't true, I have my OWN FACTS
But guys really it just come s down to whichever you want to trust, and preferably I want the one that uses more facts instead of groups that just believe a stupid thing
Agreed I love ch
Oh please, random facts won't help you, math and science will.
How about the truth about that ice cream machine?..
"Its being worked on right now"
+Tavon Fenwick
Mcdonald's Ice Cream machines across the nation are really badly made and tend to be broken about a quarter of the time.
+hey there it actually has more to do with irregular upkeep and maintenance. Apparently you have to be trained in how to maintain it and get "licensed" and many McDonald's teams either don't have the time to train someone (due to the crazy busy hours) or literally no one else knows how (crazy turnaround on employees, to many noobies). I even read a story someone who worked for them said about how they taught themselves how to do it during overnights and actually got reprimanded due to a manager not being present.
spoon kid: there is no ice cream machine
Miranda Creepypasta Jhoni
For those of you wondering. 700 reports over the course of 10 years comes out to them getting a new report every five days. Looking at it from that perspective, the 700 is a lot more frequent than it looks at first glance.
and thats just souls brave enough to call them out. I gaurntee there where ppl hurt who never said thing.
700 reports out of 230 million residents against 10.75 million companies
@@terry_the_terrible I mean accidents are accidents... just because it's rare to happen does not mean it is not important. Though something happens once every 5 days is already enough to qualify as common occurence.
@@cloudynguyen6527 It's hot liquid. It's to be expected. If McDonald sees 1000000 customers a year, and 700/10 = 70 customers a year get burned I see literally no issue. 70 out of a million. But there's an issue with my math. McDonalds doesn't serve 1 million a year. They server hundreds of millions of people a year. So 70 out of at least 100,000,000 is very marginal for the typical injury you'd expect from the product their serving. You're probably surrounded by more dangerous things in your house right now.
THANK YOU!!! Corporations have made it difficult for people who really deserve damages to win their cases.
Am I the only one who knew the actual full story before watching this?
PileOfPixels no
Omar Garcia good to know
I knew, but I'm the only person I know irl who knew
PileOfPixels No.
PileOfPixels I knew it too, I wasn't surprised at all
Why iced coffie is better
The only coffe that should be served in Murica. Just in case more crybabies start putting it between their legs and blame the "big, evil corporation" when they spill it.
Sulik, The cup collapsed between her legs when she was putting in sugar and cream. It wasn't really a spill (although the actual burn was 100% on her). And no coffee burn should nearly kill you and rip off all of your skin.
@Inhacz can coffee really burn you that much smh
@Inhacz that reply wasn't for you
Well you're the most recent commenter that's why
"Only a clown would do that."
I was expecting him to say after that, "The McDonalds clown..."
The actual pictures of her burns are on the Internet, they are horrendous. My hubby was just recently making a stupid comment regarding this case and after I explained the facts and showed him the pictures of what that poor women went through, he finally shut his big mouth, now if could figure out how to win every argument, that would be nice.
The only issue is that Adams version is also partially untrue, McDonalds still serves coffee at extremely high temperatures the case set no precedent there as coffee is normally brewed at really high temps, also frivolous lawsuits have been on the rise and are a part of the reason we have really high heathcare costs. The reason for that is simple lawyers have a lot of incentive to work on such cases as they get a % rather than a fixed rate.
Ares Krieger
the coffee is untrue, i work at macdonalds and we have a li it of 90 degrees and we have to warn the person that its hot
+Ares Krieger Frivolous lawsuits have nothing to do with high healthcare costs. That is a ridiculous claim, in fact. As is your claim that McDonald's coffee is still served at same temperature as before this case.
Stop lying.
pictures? even the genitals? hmmmmmm awesome
*****
Yes, and that part of the responsibility was factored into the judgment. How does that make McDonald's not responsible for selling coffee hot enough to fucking dissolve people?
Are you too stupid to understand that responsibility can be shared? It's not an either/or question, you dumb fucking gob.
thank this series for bringing these issues to light
aidan wroth bless
One of the best shows online.
In this episode adam was wrong
Ay I’m Tobs how so?
It’s on television too. Channel Tru TV
4:45-4:48 Me after playing an EA game for 10 seconds.
Master Yoda this should be top comment
Have you played battlefront 2?
@@himlolo They did fix that though
@@Kuriboh1008 its one of fav games of all time. Its really great
190 degrees??? WTF Then I realized they didn't mean Celcius...
The Berzerker It's still very hot in Fahrenheit.
The Berzerker 190 degrees Celsius is only about 20% hotter than 100 degrees. Still enough to nearly kill you tho
212° F is water's boiling point at sea level. 190° F served in an easily spilled cup to a person in a car is a criminally negligent practice, as the court rightfully found.
About 88° Celsius, mind you boiling water is a little over 90°Celsius
nick mcguinness Water boils at 100 degrees Celsius
I can't get TruTV in my country. Please, just upload it online! I beg you...
Turkish Russian Good luck!
Mohamed Abdourahman Sorry but i don't care anymore
Russia only has one channel
use vpn
No, there are two - the second one is a man telling you to switch back to the first.
I knew about this from law class, but I'm glad you exposed how ridiculous the public perception of it is.
I'm not convinced most people did not know what happened, and still believe the woman undeserving of reparations from McDonald's, who did absolutely nothing wrong, not even slightly.
Carbon 12 how is serving something that caused 3rd degree burns, permanent genital disfigurement and almost causing a woman to die not wrong? they also knew their coffee was being served to hot and kept it that hot to cut costs.
You boil water to make coffee. If you are unaware of that, and still put it between your legs, then spill it on yourself, that's your own fault. It would have been the same if it was tea, or any other hot beverage. The fact that she was an elderly woman didn't help, either. From my understanding, a big contributing factor was that the McDonald's lawyers were smug a-holes, and the judge wasn't having any of it...
You boil water to make it, but there's absolutely no reason to leave it at that temperature once it's made.
biostemm and carbon 12. Sure, you SHOULD boil the water first, but any person with any common sense or care for their customers wouldnt LEAVE IT NEAR FUCKING BOILING INSTEAD OF FUCKING COOLING I KNOW IM FUCKING CURSING AND ALL IN FUCKING CAPS BUT IM FUCKING DONE IVE REPLIED TO A FUCKING ENDLESS WAVE OF COMMENTS THAT DONT. FUCKING. GET. THAT. YOU. SHOULDNT. SERVE. COFFEE. STILL. AT. BOILING. okay im done now
I always praised her for taking there money they don’t need it
Their
@@luketonyford or you could just say "taking *_the_* money." That works too and it's hard to grammatically screw that up
Spoken like a true Bernie supporter.
DAVID ASSIMIL8 I didn’t even consider that but true
Facts
Ok for people too lazy to actually watch the video, over 700 people had complained to McDonald's about burns from the coffee . They kept it near boiling.
Ok for the lazy person who doesn't do his research, every coffee is served "near boiling". And a lot of people complain about burns from coffee in all of the major brands.
News flash: Hot liquids CAN SCALD YOU
Abigail Azule Your boiling water was hotter than the hot coffee, but you did not allow the heat to be held insulated against the skin. All hot coffee has the potential to cause 3rd degree burns.
nosuchthing8 That equates to less than 0.0001%, while millions of people were able to enjoy the product without injury. All of McDonald's major competitors in the hot coffee space have also been sued. All hot coffee can cause 3rd degree burns.
When I brew myself a coffe I always heat the water until it boils. I expect the bars and restaurants staff to do the same. And still I haven't burned my dick. You know why? Well I'll tell you my secret: I'm not an idiot who puts a hot drink between his legs.
well, everyone trips and falls and slips. That is why complaints are rare. Either way, if the coffee wasn't hot, there wouldn't be any issue. It's the companies fault for keeping it that hot and ignore what the damages it could cause when it is not nessecary to keep it near boiling, compared to people who slip or trip over at times.
Lol actually the truth is totally what I thought happened.
Kristan Collins same
Same, was a case we actually talked about in my business law class at college. The professor gave us this background that Adam talked about. I am glad the professor gave us the correct information. And yes I know college loans are evil.
So you must already know that this video is based on lies and misinformation.
I guess that makes you SPECIAL
MrNateSPF how exactly is this based on lies? My dad has worked for McDonald's for 50 years and was told the same exact thing from mcdonalds
Expect lawsuit against GTA Hot Coffee Mod. Was dissapointed.
Imagine being hated because everyone thought you are irresponsible, when in reality you nearly died because some coffee
>190 degrees
>Almost Boiling
America's a crazy country!
Farenheight, dumbass
Fahrenheit measures boiling as 212
So it was _near_ boiling, not _at_ boiling. Still pretty hot.
Animation Hub That's what Doger was saying. He was commenting on the large difference between Celsius and Fahrenheit, and how the fact that the boiling point that he's familiar with, 100 degrees, is so drastically different than the one that Fahrenheit uses is "crazy", as he said. It's just commentary on how amazingly diverse this planet is, like someone in the northern hemisphere saying "Summer in December, that's crazy!"
It's because Fahrenheit and Celsius are for two different purposes. Fahrenheit is scaled to the range of temperatures that humans find tolerable. Prolonged exposure to temperatures below 0 or above 100 degrees F pose a significant hazard to human health. By contrast, Celsius is a unit better geared to scientific measurements and is based on the difference between the freezing and boiling points of water. But that's still arbitrary because it's just a single chemical compound. They could just as well have based it on the freezing and boiling points of Hydrogen or Helium or Oxygen or Ethanol. The only truly absolute unit of measure for temperatures is Kelvin which is even more sciency than Celsius, but it's pretty cumbersome even for Science, let alone for everyday use.
Do one about fossil companies causing Americans to not believe in climate change
Agreed. Such as the Kochs brothers paying off Ted Cruz to campaign against Climate Change.
Buzz Zu I believe in climate change. It's been changing for millions of years and WE have nothing to do with it
Wow... dude climate change was originally called global warming and switched to climate change for good measure since there are more extreme weather disasters besides just the earth heating up....
waiting for republicans to finally admit global warming exists when it starts to harm their businesses more in the short term rather than the long term...
But wait Trump said that Global warming is a hoax made by the Chinese? But *pulling out* of the Paris Accords was a great idea it saved us money while some people can eat polar bear steaks and bald eagles for lunch