The Embraer NEW C-390 Will Change The Aviation Industry and Destroy C-130J! Here's Why
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- The Embraer NEW C-390 Will Change The Aviation Industry and Destroy C-130J! Here's Why
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Intro: 00:00 - 00:42
C390’s journey: 00:42 - 02:43
C390’s design: 02:43 - 05:54
Not the first challenger: 05:54 - 08:01
Comparison: 08:01 - 11:08
What the future holds: 11:08 - 13:26
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The Embraer NEW C-390 Will Change The Aviation Industry and Destroy C-130J! Here's Why
The C1 30 J Super Hercules, renowned for its unparalleled versatility and reliability, has been a cornerstone of military transport for decades, offering enhanced performance with state-of-the-art technology, faster climb and cruise speeds, and the ability to operate in diverse and austere environments worldwide. But, as tempting as it sounds, in this video, we are not going to talk about it but another aircraft that is going to dethrone it, the Embraer C3 90. Find out in this episode of Flig Avia: why C3 90 is going to change the industry? How it will destroy C 1 30 J?
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The Embraer NEW C-390 Will Change The Aviation Industry and Destroy C-130J! Here's Why
First up, To grasp the significance of the C3 nineties popularity, it's essential to revisit Embraer's history with military jets. Embraer, a prominent Brazilian company known for manufacturing a variety of aircraft, pivoted in 19 69 to concentrate on military aircraft for the Brazilian Air Force. In April 2007, Embraer announced its intention to develop a midsize twinjet military aircraft, with the goal of replacing aging cargo planes with a modern, technologically advanced alternative. The inspiration for this new aircraft was drawn heavily from their Embraer 1 90. Originally designated as the C 3 90, the aircraft was subsequently renamed to KC 3 90 to reflect its capability to perform air-to-air refueling operations for other planes.
The Embraer NEW C-390 Will Change The Aviation Industry and Destroy C-130J! Here's Why
By May 2008, the Brazilian government had invested over 460 million dollars in its development. Come April 2009, Embraer secured a 1.5 billion dollar contract to construct two prototypes, initiating production with the backing of the Brazilian Air Force. Following rigorous testing of the prototypes, the aircraft, dubbed the C390 Millennium, was unveiled in 20 19. It was strategically designed to contend with, and potentially supplant, Lockheed Martin's C1 30 Super Hercules cargo jets-a significant feat considering the C1 thirties longstanding prominence in the aviation market. Embraer's jet had to prove its mettle as a viable primary option for military cargo transportation, and with the C3 90 Millennium, Embraer has done just that.
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When the last C-390 retires, the crew will ride home on a C-130Z.
I work on C130s. It’s a beast. It ain’t going nowhere. Endless mod work and job security for me.
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Embraer is breaking paradigms with its aircraft. Before, no one, other than Americans and Europeans, entered the very closed market of the aeronautical industry. The KC-390 was designed in the 21st century and was born under the patronage of modernity. The brave C-130 Hercules has become a legendary and consolidated machine, but it falls short of what is required of an average freighter today. Embraer's biggest challenge in offering the KC-390s to the world will be overcoming the very powerful American lobby in the defense industry.
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😂😂😂 Airbus c400 is the best, kc390 is for poor countries
@@frederickdouglass7140 Is the C-17 Globemaster III superior to the Air Bus C-400? It depends on the application. The C-400 is another category of aircraft. The time is for more rational, economical aircraft, without unnecessary excesses. The era of megalomania for flying colossi is long gone. In practice, the KC-390 does everything an A-400 does, however, with extremely lower acquisition and maintenance costs. The choice for the KC-390 is not passionate, it is rational.
@@frederickdouglass7140 In fact, I must emphasize: what a comment, but devoid of arguments, yours. Stupid, I would say. Debate with solid and intelligent arguments and not with prejudices and fallacies. Your comment really is an X-ray of your intellect, of your inability to interact at a high level.
@@frederickdouglass7140 The A400M from Airbus, you mean. The German air force did not even accept delivery at first given the bad quality product it is.
I watched a video where this Embraer is used to put out forest fires by releasing a large amount of water. Impressive versatility.
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C-130 has a track record.
Jet engines are more expensive to maintain than turboprops.
C-130 can use shorter runways
KC-390 is a great aircraft, but its biggest fault is that it has two vacuum cleaners for engines, FOD is it’s greatest issue in unprepared landing strips where, the C130 would shed off prop strikes the KC-390 would have issues. High wing low engines don’t like unprepared landing strips. But I do love the aircraft and think it’s a great aircraft.
Anyone thinking this could replace the C-130 is a mindless waste of DNA.
This militar aircraft has worked hard since the beginning! By the way, Embraer can configure it for civil option!
It moved a giant helicopter disassembled from USA to Portugal, supported people in state of Brazil after rain storm moving a lot of things like foods, clothes, people, tools, etc..
This is why it must exist!
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@newconcept8144 Mate, have you seen what the C-130J, G-5 Galaxy, and C-17 have all carried.
The RNZAF C-130H is an aircraft in service for over 60-63 years.
The RNZAF C-130H carried out missions carrying troops, refugees, supplies, weapons, food, medical supplies, vehicles, and a lot more all the way across the world from a small nation that is not even shown on most maps.
The RNZAF C-130H flew consistently 13,554 kilometers with close to 10-19 tons of cargo. The NZDF is receiving 5 new C-130-J-30 super Hercules, and that will make us have much more reach to help other nations when in need.
Gotta love the ten positive comments in a row, all lgged in at almost the same time.😂
It’s impressive how Embraer has developed the C-390 to meet modern military needs.
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A jet engine plane will need a clean runway to takeoff or land. Your comment is not comparable to the C130 which can operate anywhere. Thumbs down!
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There is no way this supplants the C-130J
Sorry, but if a C130 ingests a bird during flight not much will happen. If a C390 ingests a bird, I hope the other engine will allow a fully loaded aircraft to land safely. Sorry, but just because it has turbofans does not make it better than an aircraft using well proven turboprops. I would rather be in a C130 taking off from a rough strip than a C390.
I will have to see it to believe it. It's unimproved field performance will not approach the C-130J. As a person with 4200 hours in the Herk, mostly the E model, but some in the B and HC, you will have to prove to me that a twin engine, turbofan will hold up better in combat conditions where the 130 lives. When something goes through that big fan , and it starts "shucking" blades, one rapidly ends up on one engine, or none. Please don't tell me that that machine will stop on wet PSP , Laterite or mud better than those four big fans on the Herk will stop that machine........prove it. The BS gets deep when a company is trying to sell an airplane.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Question: Did you take some of your training at Little Rock AFB? That was my old stomping ground when the E model ruled the skies. Good days and great memories.
Hardly a C130 killer. One would think that a channel speaking from a position of authority would have recognized that while full of gee wiz gear, it is a jet and therefore not suitable for unimproved runways (dirt) because jets don’t do FOD. Turbo props are considerably better at landing and taking off in the middle of nowhere.
I am no aircraft authority, but I had similar questions. (Plus, you’d think Brazil, with its unique terrain, would KNOW that.)
Also: What about distance for takeoff and landing?
FWIW, my father-in-law was in charge of metals QA for the Herc at the Lockheed plant here in Marietta. There is a significant amount of 130 memorabilia around the house!
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The turboprop is superior to the turbojet/fan engines. The prop shields the engine from almost all FOD sources, except birds, which the prop stops around 60% at stopping birds for going down the intake. I have had to remove remains a lot of times over the years, it's amazing much guts and feathers you find stuck to the forward bearing struts. The T56 will eat a bird without taking any any damage. The only clue the crew may have the took a bird down the an engine is the smell of bad cooked chicken. When the last B-52 is finally retired a C-130 will pick up the flight crew and fly them back their home base.
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The inventor of the airplane came from the United States! Two brothers-Orville & Wilbur Wright! Do your research!
@@glennoropeza3545 catapult doesn't count. Do your research.
@@glennoropeza3545 catapult launched... no reliable proofing, no public exibition.. only some old logs with some dates written on them... Dumont actually showed it publicly in Paris, while the brothers said they flwon it in said date...
Do your research.
As a cargo mover the C-130 alphabet has one point that kept it any military thought. It can go just about everywhere. Not just dropping cargo it can land on improvised landing stripes. Moving in or out personal on abandoned air stripes or even smaller civilian runways to small for even small bizjets. It is why I asked about the Embraer take off and landing distance and what the landing gear can handle unpaved runway. While it's improved cargo carry if it can't cover these smaller an isolated locations. I do not see the C-130 being retired completely.
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Amazing and beautiful aircraft. The best in this category. 👍
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Embraer’s focus on modern, technologically advanced alternatives is commendable.
yep you're right
The C-130 and AC-130 have had plenty of tech upgrades themselves over the last number of years.
@@Lonewolfmike But even so, they remain outdated compared to the KC-390.
Embraer needs to show off a wild variety of configuration packages. I.E. Close Air Support (CAS=aka spectre), winter operations and ski's, refueling vehicle, logistics transport, folding wing design and finally ECW. Once they show off these varieties they will get alot of business.
Apparently, they missed the reason why the C130 is still being used. Prop driven aircraft are inherently safer to operate on unimproved airfields. Less chance to damage the engines. We use C17s for heavier loads from improved fields. Why add another airframe?
US will never buy an foreign freighter due to US laws, but others countries will.
The C-130 isn't going anywhere. One of the strongest points about the C-130 is its speed. Its ability to fly slow is the very reason it's used for so many different types of missions. I've been on a C-130 that made a night landing on a dried up lake bed with the pilots using night vision goggles. If they're after speed, fly a C-141. If they're after payload, fly a C-5M Super Galaxy or a C-17 Globemaster.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Amazing
What happened to American made?
Both will fly together for a long time. That´s the beauty of the aviation.
Embraer’s history in military aviation has clearly prepared them well for developing the C-390.
This is a fantastic plane.
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The detailed comparison between the C-390 and C-130J in this episode was eye-opening. Embraer has done an outstanding job.
which one do you prefer?
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Embraer stepping up their game with the C-390. This aircraft has the potential to revolutionize military transport.
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It is a box with things. Not much to revolutionize. That being said, it looks like a pretty impressive box with wings.
This is NOT going to replace the C-130... lol.
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Tomara que os EUA não invente algo para arruinar o sucesso do KC 390
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The versatility and advanced design of the C-390 make it a formidable competitor. Exciting times ahead for aviation!
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It Will never take out the C-130 they will live forever!
It’s a two engine c-17
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If you want supplant the J model herky bird, it won't be for another DECADE, Fort Worth is booked another 10 years building them now. The Herky already does everything you mentioned.
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The narration repeats itself annoyingly. It never did a thorough comparison with the C-130. It uses terms like "more effective" without giving actual data. This is bogus.
That's an ai generated text.
Embraer’s history with military jets shows in the C-390. This aircraft is built for the future.
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9:30 the C-130J is NOT and has never been powered with the Allison T56, they are Rolls Royce AE2100 engines.
Asking for accuracy, intelligence or honesty from this channel appears to be an exercise in futility. This is the first video I've seen from them, and it's going to be the last.
Destroy the C-130? Many have tried . . .
The biggest problem is it's a jet which means it'll eat FOD. That's why the 130 has turboprops and hasn't been replaced thus far.
Can it back up like a C130?
I would like to see it land at Sila Creek, at Yakama Fireing Range DZ
@@johnhagemeyer8578 Here's your gigantic dust and FOD cloud. Keep breathing!
This plane is much smaller than the c130. It is not in direct competition.
The history of Embraer’s military jets is fascinating. They've come a long way!
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This just an advertisement. Total clickbait. Don’t waste your time.
With both at max take off load, the 130J can rotate in 3300' at SL. . Takes 5000' for the 390. The Js have more range at max load then the max loaded 390 by over 600 miles.
From 02:00 the video stops saying anything original and starts reading Embraer sales brochures. This is not how you build a research-based military and current affairs channel.
Nice…but how do you keep dust/dirt out of the engines? There’s a pretty good reason why the 130 has props…
Nothing will replace the C-130J or any other variant. Yes there are other types of aircraft similar, but not something to completely replace it. You can not fly slow in a turbofan powered aircraft compared to a turboprop aircraft, which is needed in certain situations. I can see this aircraft only added to the long list of cargo multi roll list, but will never replace a single aircraft.
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The Embraer C-390 looks like it could be a real game-changer for military transport!
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Embraer is a Brazilian company and since C130 is a military aircraft, I find it highly unlikely that a contract would be awarded to Embraer, especially given the way Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva is showing support for Putin's aggression. Too much risk. Embraers are great here in the US as business jets and it should stay that way.
The c130 was never made as a long haul cargo aircraft its mission was to take supplies from a major supply point to areas without a runway that a larger cargo plane could not land or takeoff from, that is why it was made with props and not jet engines.
This might be splitting hairs, but a turboprop is jet-engine-driven propeller.
@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis true but there is no way that a prop will get knocked out of service the way a traditional jet engine can especially when operating on makeshift runways.
Some Americans in the comments just felt the hit... Relax, you are still number one and will be for a long time. Despite all the issues and problems here, we Brazilians still have things to be proud of. A third-world country like ours, competing in technology with the most powerful nation in the world, is something we all should applaud, even you guys. A lot of the knowledge we have, we learned from you. And remember, Brazilians are your allies, not enemies.
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Hey my friend, I thought you'd be interested in my take on this. I flew C-130Es in the USAF for almost 9 years. I'm a fan of the J model, but never flew it. Having said that, I find the C-390 to be a potentially outstanding machine! You see, the basic C-130 design has realized it's full potential with the J model. Don't get me wrong, it's still an excellent design that will be flying for many years to come. However, when the USAF decides to start replacing the J model, I'm hoping that it will be a completely different design. I'm not sure when that will be, as the J models rolling off the assembly line have decades of service life ahead of them. I honestly loved flying the Herc (even the old E model), but there are other excellent designs out there that are potentially better. The C-390 is one of those. It will take time to prove itself though, as the C-130 has clearly demonstrated it's capabilities for nearly 70 years. To close, I applaud Brazil and Embraer on producing an excellent and beautiful design, and wish it success.
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I think everyone just wants to hear some facts and to be allowed to make a decision based on the facts, not some sales pitch and "its better and I'm not giving any facts to show it is better".
Let the people decide based on some facts. C-130 is old but there's a reason it's still flying and has a fanbase.
Would love to see a breakdown of turbofan vs turboprop and why one is better than the other in this situation. "faster" isn't really what people are looking for. If we wanted a C130 with turbofans, they'd have built one. There's a reason why it has turboprops. What is the reasoning for turbofan on the KC390?
more data! more info! :)
This aircraft is amazing, Portuguese air Force got the first one in service and you can see it shutting back and forth between Lisbon cam and Madeira
yep that's a great aircraft
Austria and the Netherlands have just signed the purchase of 9 units to be operated jointly between the two countries.
The new C-390 features are pretty advanced. If it lives up to its promise, it might really shake up the dominance of the C-130J in the market.
Ok its good for a county only moving its military from one end of their county to the other, but not doing the jobs the C-130 does world wide.
The comparison between the C-390 and the C-130J is very insightful.
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Sounds like you read it right out of a sales manual. No place for that here on TH-cam.
The C-390’s performance in rigorous testing is a testament to its reliability and capability.
I don't think so. The C-130 is a standard set decades ago and cannot be surpassed. This is an Embreair comercial. The C-130 was my favorite bird to jump out of in the Army, over jets, old prop drivens and so many helicopters.
It should be dubbed "The Guppy"
Whoever had the idea of a name for this jet is a PR master: KC meaning from the very start that it's not only a cargo plane, 390 is 3 X 130 and finally the Millennium, meaning the project not only belongs to the 21st century but also reminds of the most badass of the fictional ships, the Millennium Falcon.
The C-390’s design and features are impressive. This could be a real contender.
It’s always interesting to see how new aircraft compete with established models. The C-390’s development shows that innovation in military aviation is far from over.
While it may be a good plane, it won't Destroy C-130. There is a reason why tactical Transporters are turboprops: they need shorter Runways, they are able to do a Sarajevo-Aproach landing (very steep aproach and take-offs) and they are saver to land on improvised Strips. Also, the lower possible Speed gives her better SAR capabillities as she is used in quite a few Coastguards. So to me those 2 Planes are made for different roles.
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The Embraer C-390 looks like a serious competitor to the C-130J. Can’t wait to see it in action!
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Fascinating to see how Embraer’s history with military jets has led to the C-390.
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Investing over $460 million in the C-390 shows how committed Brazil is to advancing its aviation industry.
That's about the price of 2 airplanes. Not a big deal. More like a jobs project.
When you can land and take off in your fancy jet from an aircraft carrier, we'll talk! Mic Drop!
I have worked on the Embraer before, they're good products, but the C-130 is a different class of aircraft itself, it is designed for short takeoff and landing with turboprop engines, nothing comes close to it when you need a plane to do what the C-130 can do.
C-130 is still a legendary
We already tested a C-27 Spartan. It didn't pass the smell test...Lol!
This is a nice new cargo military or special operation jet hauler I think it could fit in where a C130 or C400 can’t. It shows that it probably has a chance to fit in the whole plan . Good luck with it Embraer.
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Embraer's contention for two engines rather than four is a profit-margin argument. Military applications, inherently dangerous, embrace reliability. A two-engine config reduces redundancy twice over. Given a single engine failure, the 390 would likely be forced to jettison cargo. The 130 just radios ahead, "Sorry, we'll be a little late".
The 130 can feather two props, for operation under light load/return leg conditions.
I wouldn't go hunting hurricanes on two turbofans, vulnerable as they are in violent air to compressor stalls.
Mount a pair of 30mm Gatlings on either side of the 390. The gun develops significant thrust. With one engine each side, mounted relatively inboard from the outboards on the 130, I would be highly leery of a C390 gunship.
Well, the c390 currently has exactly 9 aircraft in service in 2 countries.... since 2014!!! They have a LOOOONG way to go to put a dent in the number of c-130's currently in service globally! To date, there are 500+ of just the J model currently in active service, let alone countries that are still flying older variants. Plus, they will have a tough time competing with almost 70 years of continuous, uninterrupted service... globally! On top off all of that, the per unit cost of the c390 is significantly more than a C-130. the c390 is averaging around $145 million where the c-130J averages around $75 million per unit! Good luck toppling the king!
I don't think that's going to happen. I never saw any real comparison but from what I looked at the C390 is more expensive. I'd imagine its maintenance costs are higher too. To me it looks like a smaller C17.
The C-130 was a stop gap in 1956 to fill the need until the C-133 and new C-141A came on line. So, almost 70 years-old and still in production with more jobs that Carter has liver pills. It's not going off line anytime soon.
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The aviation industry seems to adhere to the same philosophy as mechanics.... It's only a temporary fix unless it works, then it's permanent. 😂
The pilot can control the cargo bay therefore they don't need a loadmaster? I thought a loadmaster did more than just flip a switch. This seems more like a promotional video for Embraer. The first flight of the C-130 was 70 years ago, can the C-390 achieve that?
Embraer built an jet trainer in the 60s that was so cheap and reliable that it only was retired from the Brazilian Air Force due to the Grippen NG program, but others countries still use it, and remember, Embraer is the third largest aircraft manufacturer in the world.
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I'm not trying to trash on them as it looks pretty cool, but this is almost like comparing apples to oranges.
Just keep reading the companies release notes....
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It’s interesting to see how Embraer is challenging the dominance of the C-130J.
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The investment and development behind the C-390 show Embraer’s commitment to innovation.
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OK. I've listened to your video on the specifications of the hot selling C390.
I have a problem, what is the shortest unimproved landing strip that it can land on. In comparing the C130 to the C390 you failed to mention that. To be useful it would have to be shorter than a C130 landing strip. You put a lot of emphasis on how much the C390 haul in terms of cargo and people. If that were the requirement, we would use something more like a C17.
I will keep this question in mind. Thank you.
Kc390 fantastic
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"Dethrone it" dude seriously 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Stall speed of 193 kts will never allow the C390 to replace the C130. That's a fact!
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Made in Brazil
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What the C-130 will still do: double as a weapons platform for Harvest Hawk and Rapid Dragon. The C-130J has a range of 3300 km while the loaded C390 max range is 2100 km. The 130 will have a standoff capability to launch multiple cruise missiles at any Pacific adversary. It is a practical, cost-effective platform for the next 20 years. After that, the C-390 will be viable competitor.
Thanks for your comment. Useful knowledge.
Fascinating to see Embraer taking on the legendary C-130J with such a capable aircraft.
C130..rolling down the strip..airborne daddy..gonna take a trip..❤AIRBORNE!
the owner of the video kicked a nest of American patriots
Embraer’s move into this sector with the C-390 could force other manufacturers to up their game. Competition is always good for driving innovation.
The journey of the C-390, from its initial announcement to its production, highlights Embraer's commitment to delivering top-notch military aircraft. This is just the beginning for the C-390.
There may be some applications where there is no substitute for 4 engines, but otherwise, the Embraer is a truly impressive aircraft!
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A questão de 4 motores é devido a baixa confiabilidade dos antigos motores. Na época que o C130 foi projetado, os aviões militares e civis que precisavam efetuar missões longas, tinham 4 motores.
Hoje isso não é mais necessário, devido a confiabilidade dos motores.
C-390 is jet/turbo engine and the the reason why the c-130J is so good is that it is prop/turbo prop and can take off and land on undeveloped ground with lots of dirt and rock. the c-390 with jet engines can't.
I'm an old fart, in my 70's. I have seen the C-130's grow into THE premiere versitol do most anything/anywhere aircraft. I'm not saying this latest 'replacement' for a still very capable aircraft (C-130), isn't up to the job, but infrastructure wise, it will turn into a very expensive trial that may or may not work out as 'planned'. Personally, the few times I flew in a C-130 I was up on the flt deck and enjoyed the hell out of it.Wow, my last ride in a 130 was 53 years ago...
Not a snowballs chance in Hell.
You should do a side by side comparison of C-390 and C130J. Speed, capacity - weight and volume , minimum runway needed, ability to land on unpaved landing strips and high altitude landing strips.
Emphasis should be made on "the minimum runway needed and the ability to land on unpaved landing strips". For anything else the US already has the C17.
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The C-390 Millennium’s advanced technology could definitely shake up the military transport market.
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The C-390 looks like a solid aircraft with good stats and capabilities. Being able to perform a mission as good as or exceeding C-130 is very appealing. Having two jet engines rather than 4 props is very positive reducing maintenance, sustainment and overall costs. Looks like a promising future for the C390.
Lets see it carry an M1 Abrams... NOT likely... C130 is a legend!
Well, it carries more payload, so it's just a question of volume and rear opening dimensions?
Can it do a loop?
Can it land on an Aircraft Carrier? Does it fly through hurricanes?
I'm not saying the C390 isn't a great plane, just don't be so dismissive of Hercs.
I wonder how the C-390 will perform in real-world conditions compared to the C-130J. The specs look great, but practical performance is key.
Follow all the news and videos available from various countries and you will see that the aircraft is already in operation around the world and is fulfilling all its tasks with great performance.
The KC 390 is not a promise but a reality !!!!!!!!!!