What you all doing know is that the USA won't allow pilots to do certain maneuvers in front of other nations or for the media. Basically they won't unlock boss mode.
@@Wise101 I heard some military experts kind of laughing at China during some joint military excerise/competition since the Chinese had bragged about sending their best and were obviously trying really hard. They were laughing since people rarely sent their best since they didn't want everyone to know the best they could do and saying you sent your best backfires if you do poorly since that's "the best you can do"
Agree, I just watched the AIM 174 introduction, and it took me 15 minutes to realize that there is literally nothing important to talk about except for the performance and expected usages.
So far, Japan has agreed to buy 157 F-35s, with 42 of them being VTOL F-35Bs for operation off helicopter carriers. I recently met a couple Japanese pilots who are going to start training on the F-35A variant this year, since Japan is slated to receive more by then, or so they said...
Japan is working on its own 6th Gen because we only gave them the Air Force F35 and said no to their request for F-22’s. Japanese pilots also say the F35 doesn’t carry enough missiles. Only carries four where j20 Carries six and F22 Carrie’s 8
@@AA-xo9uw F-35B is VTOL; they are operated as STOVL on carriers to increase payload capacity on takeoff. F-35B is the most powerful VTOL jet ever made, it has no problem taking off that way.
I remember reading long ago, and have yet to hear it confirmed, that the F-22 has thrust vectoring to help it maneuver not in dogfights, but at very high altitudes where the conventional control surfaces can't bite enough air. This is why the F-23 team contended it didn't need thrust vectoring - its enormous full-slab tailerons were big enough to move its ass around even in the very high-altitude atmosphere. The F-22's conventional control surfaces can't.
That makes MUCH more sense since high altitude flight is important while dogfighting simply hasn't been important for a long time. It was rapidly becoming outdated when jets first became common and since stealth technology entered the game it became a secondary concern at best
That's not quite correct but it's not necessarily wrong. The f22 is said to maneuver extremely well without TVC. It's nose authority on its pitch axis is unparalleled. the twin horizontal tail stabs(stabilizers & elevator ) design use the entire surface to pich and roll. There authority is much greater then expected. More then adequate at very high altitudes While supersonic. However at lower air speeds the ability to pitch is decreased. While at the same time lower altitudes bleed alot of energy off to gain nose position/AOA. So TVC on that axis is essential for low speed maneuvering, and control/recovery- authority in a stall. It also adds to the balance/ stability, and decreased g loading on wings no matter the center of gravity or direction of lift vectors while maneuvering. In HOBS, BFM & BVR engagements, fox2/3 - high alpha fights
According to Paul metz the f22 still couldn't do everything the yf23 could . Nice interview with him as he is the only person to fly both yf22 yf 23 and the final f22 design. Sadly the f23 wasn't chosen as its pretty much what the air force wants in the Gen 6 . 23 had far superior range larger payload bays and better stealth
The main reason the F23 was not chosen was the manufacturer. It had a history of delays and cost over runs at the time and had left a bad taste with the powers that be.
In addition to what is posted already, the TVC allows the nose down pitching moment at supersonic speeds to be counteracted without using the horizontal stabilizers, which in turn reduces drag at supersonic speeds and allows retention of full pitch authority. Indeed, the early F-14s had glove vanes for this exact reason. However, maintenance of these eventually resulted in them being welded shut on the early planes and deleted in latter new build aircraft.
Something not given enough attention is the F-35's big draw and advantage over any other aircraft; its ability to become a mobile Control and Command center for any aircraft its flying with. The F-35 has the most powerful tracking and radar systems anyone has ever seen on an aircraft. It can provide real-time information to an entire fleet of aircraft while remaining out of sight and undetected, and it can link to, and take control of those aircrafts weapon systems simultaneously and use them as it's own. Pair the F-35 with a Squadron of F-22's, F-15EX's and some F/A-18's, and you have unstoppable, unbeatable airpower.
Why not just build a big ass AWACS with an even more powerful radar? It's not like an F35's radar or command centre (ie one guy) is enough to beat an AWACS that does the same thing while sitting in much further owning to how much more powerful an AWACs radar could be
@@周生生-f1f because an AWACS cant defend itself. An F-35 can. And even go on the offensive. You would have an AWACs covering whatever operational area that the F-35 isn't.
@@BOZ_11 We'll if you have more than one F35 than you have multiple AWACS that can communicate with fighter escorts. The point is making a nearly impossible to target, fast, and stealthy AWACS with better EW capabilities than anything else our enemies fly is more than enough advantage.
If you really study the history of Chinese Warplane development, you could trace back the aerodynamic design to J9, which was developed in the 70s, earlier than MIG1.44 (2000s),and the designer of J20, Yang Wei, is the student of the Designer of J9 and J10, he inherited the design philosophy
Could we get a video on the two Helicopter replacement programs next? The armed scout and medium lift choppers (FARA and FLRAA) will be massive programs worth exploring here.
Sikorsky has the S-97 Raider compete with the Bell+Textron 360 Invictus in the AAS / FARA (armed scout) program. Meanwhile, the Sikorsky+Boeing SB-1 Defiant competes with the Bell+Lockheed V280 Valor for the FVL / FLRAA (long-range lift) program. Given how the US defense industry works, it is likely that both companies get one contract each, to keep every factory running, everybody employed. So if you like both Sikorsky or both Bell designs, get ready for a disappointment. The Raider has troop capacity while the Invictus does not, but that gives the Invictus better stealth properties, just like the Boeing-Sikorsky RAH-66 Comanche had. Not sure why they abandoned that design. Just to push a common scout and transport design when they know it's not very likely they'll get both contracts? The V280 seems to be the more mature design, faster and longer range. But the SB-1 might offer better handling and safety, as it is not a tilt rotor. And it's smaller, closer to the Blackhawk size. This might really go both ways.
@@texasranger24 When the program got expanded, my first thought was that they're going to adopt 2 designs: the coax for the scout & attack helicopter, maybe as the medium utility. The tilt rotor gets used for the bigger, heavier choppers.
Alex please tell to USA AND NATO GOVERNMENT WHY SMALL NATION USA NATO GOVERNMENT VERY VERY AGGRESSIVE WHY BIG NATION LIKE RUSSIA AND CHINA USA AND NATO GOVERNMENT NOT AGGRESSIVE TO RUSSIAN AND CHINA DON'T TALK TO MUCH USA AND NATO GOVERNMENT. ONLY SMALL NATION. THERE POWERFULL
@@BattleBrotherCasten Boy, are you following the WRONG TH-cam subscription! Might want to review your subscription list and remove those that piss you off and/or make you sound unintelligent.
Not to forget, that Lockheed has perfected low observable stealth capabilities. No other country in the world has the radar cross sectional defeating characteristics that we do. Lockheed makes stealth missiles as well. Just because it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, doesn't mean it is. Not to mention that part of our adversaries' key tools in fighting our capabilities is to claim they are more capable than they really are. Just saying.
Trust me the intelligence analysis of this brief encounter is going to be one for the books a lot of rules are going to change some in major ways and others in small ways but this game is starting to change
Fascinating video for a layman like myself. Ive been an airplane lover since i was a kid in the 70s. Watching the red arrows, battle of Britain flight or for several decades seeing the RAF Harrier force fly from Wittering. Seeing them come into land over the A1 barely a few metres above you was a rush even as i got older. These days i dont see so many since Wittering,Alconbury and such were shut down. Duxford museum is 45 mins away and seeing an F15 and SR71 there is truly a joy but to see an A10 and that gun was frightening and a highlight of my life to get so close. I may not get down there these days due to disability but your videos keep me going thank you
The F-35's more recent RAM coatings have lowered its RCS to be competitive with the F-22. The earlier figure of an RCS of 0.005m2, was based on pre-production aircraft with previous generations of RAM. The initial production aircraft had an RCS of 0.0015m2, and later RAM formulations have dropped this further. A ceramic RAM formulation is in testing, that should lessen speed restrictions and maintenance costs.
The stealth tech of F-22 is ancient. There will be whole families of metamaterials that are customized for specific applications. I wouldn't be surprised if new generations of metamaterials become programmable and can change not just the RCS value but the radar signature of the aircraft on the fly so that one type of aircraft can spoof another type of aircraft on radar.
Maintenance cost and time on f35s are gargantuan. 100 hours for every hour of time. An a serious conflict with a peer competitive this would be a huge problem
I had this argument with the SR71 and how it wasn't a stealth plane. Everyone argues it was intended to be but it never was. They're argument was cross section detection. The real answer to cross section as stealth is that it isn't by itself. It just reduces WHEN you're detectable or identifiable. You still have jamming tech, radar absorbing materials, and mixed with how surfaces reflect the radar radiation. You can't use the cross section alone for stealth.
The coatings we have the SR 71 did not have it would have ablated off. The black color was something not for radar but for heat to radiate away. For some reason the fiction of an SR 71 is odd in other areas too like when it really retired
They did intend it to be, but changed early in development. If we can't hide from them, then we'll just go so fast that they can't hit us. I have this from the head of coatings for skunkworks at the time.
@@YOU_CANT_BE_THAT_STUPID Ya it's called titanium the highest melting 👉 point metal also it's strong. Stealth wasn't even known as time of development the x 15 the fastest airplane in the world,ever, prototype for the project.
I would say this video is one of the best organized and well thought out comparisons I have seen outside of the Military. I would say that there is one very important topic that would determine strength and might of any air force. Supply lines Fully Mission Capable (FMC) Rates and skills of the actual mechanics, and finally, availability of those maintainers. I spent 16 years supporting fighter aircraft ground support, I was Engine, Hydraulic and Airframe certified on the F-4 and F-16. We would benefit from a video that discussed the hours of training the pilots of important countries got and the ability to keep the aircraft fluing.
Absolutely! Pilots get the glory, but where would they be without the workhorse ground support? That's right, all dressed up with nowhere to go! My nephew was Air Force fighter aircraft ground support and later an expert drone pilot. He is now a top FAA certified civilian drone pilot called upon by first responders to assist in search and rescue and other types of civilian emergency missions.
I know this was from quite a while a go but thank you for your service. My father-in-law worked on F-14s, some part of the electronics in the cockpits I think, for the Navy on the USS Nimitz and I was always fascinated by his stories.
He probably did not work in F-16s in teh Navy. Maybe the F-18? The Navy only had a few F-16s to fly against their aircraft and certainly they did nto fly off of a carrier. BUt, if he worked on any fighter, he had a hard job and should be commended for it.@@visionhawk4403
The best analysis I've seen was an australian team whuch ran a detailed 3D model of a J-20 with old fashioned ferrite RAM in an EM simulation and calculated 8 ghz returns from every direction. They predicted about 0.2 m^2 head on, but a much lower 0.001-0.0025 m^2 a few degrees off the nose in any direction.
@@olliefoxx7165we know that their RAM coatings are likely better than the one used in the simulation, cuz they have some experience with RAM ever since China got their hands on the downed F117 nighthawk
The primary role of the J-20s role would almost certainly be to attack Taiwan and destroy it's air force prior to an invasion. If the US were to directly engage China (which I do not believe it will do other than perhaps 5 battalions of Marines placed on Taiwan to help with the actual defense of the island), the J-20 would be used as an interceptor. The current radars on the Chinese destroyers can easily detect the F35 at great ranges, and while they may not be able to lock on them, they can track and feed that info to the mainland, which can deploy the J-20 on side intercept vectors, where the F-35 is most visible to the J-20 and the J-20 is the least visible to the F-35. It is unlikely that the US will fire on any Chinese warship in the open South China sea because that could easily start a nuclear escalation. With a population of over 1 billion, the Chinese are not really all that concerned about losing 5 million men because they have 115 men for every 100 women.
I am just an aviation enthusiast, I was enlisted conventional US Army, but I always dreamed about flying, your channel satisfies my dreams for now. Thank you for the great content
Another greatly informative video from the great Alex Hollings. I'm sure I can speak for many of your viewers when I say that your dedication to this subject matter very much appreciated. 👍👍
There is that story of former US/British fighter pilots being recruited by China to show their pilots how to fly. So that might be a factor in getting them to understand what tactics are being used by our forces. Several years ago I got to see F-22 and P51 mustang fly in formation that was cool to see.
@@specialnewb9821 The operational Chicomm boats - Liaoning and Shandong - use a ramp. The emals equipped Fujian isn't operational yet. The de Gaulle uses steam catapults.
A very young female pilot who worked in the Civil Aviation Administration of China after retirement. As the first American pilot, he was interviewed in the media. So she is so excellent? Doing this kind of thing, but also publicity. Why didn't she just say she was a secret agent?
Yeah, unfortunately everyone is on that waiting list, to include the U.S. military. Lockheed still has the F-35 in LRIP phase but once the F-35 is in full production, those numbers of deliveries will be increasing at a much greater frequency year-to-year.
@@jacob1423 I was working for Dole picking pineapples in the fields at 15 full time. Not all of us got to go to college Mr Webster. You feel better about yourself posting that?
As always informative, inciteful, scary and at least a bit reassuring. We can only hope we stay ahead of them in airborne tech and hope that what is on the drawing board gets fielded as soon as. I can also hope there are goodies out there that are not being talked about yet.
@@brosephstalin5321 sorry, age is setting in my plus my typing skills are really starting to suffer these days. Don't get old it destroys everything, back hurts, eyes are weak and lets leave out my insides versus food. Really disgusting at time.
Purely fighter on fighter combat is quickly going to disappear. Air combat will be mostly fought with stealthy attritional UCAV's taking the vanguard of most fights.
Funny you mentioned the Nighthawk! I remember driving in 1990 up near China Lake, California which is literally in the middle of nowhere! All of a sudden, I saw a ‘flying saucer’ flying above! Of course I later found out it was the Nighthawk which I didn’t even know we had at the time. I figured it was ours since I was between Edwards AFB and China Lake but that thing was sure amazing looking!
Great content Alex, thanks. For future ideas maybe cover some of the technological challenges that must be overcome to design a hypersonic vehicle like you covered in your aurora video. Another one to cover is the UAP stuff that has been going on with the USN. That stuff is freaking me out. The evidence is so compelling
If you really study the history of Chinese Warplane development, you could trace back the aerodynamic design to J9, which was developed in the 70s, earlier than MIG1.44 (2000s),and the designer of J20, Yang Wei, is the student of the Designer of J9 and J10, he inherited the design philosophy
I am a retired US Air Force electronic warfare officer. One thing in your otherwise good presentation is you seem to repeat the common mistake that radar cross-section is one number. Don’t feel bad, a lot of fighter pilots think this also. Radar cross-section varies with the wavelength of the radar illuminating the target! The classic example is how Serbs shut down an F 117 and damage others after detecting them with the almost World War II vintage P18/Spoonrest VHF radar. It turns out that the longer the wavelength or lower the frequency of a radar, radar absorbent material ceases to effectively absorb radar energy. It is absolutely ridiculous to say an airplane has this RCS unless you also state at what frequency the RCS is measured. This is why the current trend in radars is to have gigantic VHF or UHF antennas, such as the Chinese KLJ-7A. These high-power, long wavelength, radars, or what you need to detect low observable aircraft in time to counter them.
Casuals brag about "stealth" on and on, not realizing that radars are constantly getting better..! 10-15 year upgrade for a jet, compared to upgrades every 5 years for radar.... Im only guessing, but to me it seems that radar will only get better, and stealth in material will only do soo much. Then electronics make up for the majority of stealth.!
They Detected the F117, but they couldn't localize or track it with the radar that low frequency, they got lucky in that the US had made the same mistake it made in Vietnam. They sent the same plane, the same path, the same day and time, predictably, so they were able to fire a missile blindly that just happened to catch the F117 when it opened its bay doors to fire and use that to zero in. They also had spies watching the aircraft so they knew the f117 had taken off and it wasn't a different aircraft. Not something that would work if your air force was the least bit smart about their operations and randomized things a bit.
I thought the point of these aircraft were that they would never get in close with any other aircraft. But it seems the first casualty of high tech combat is high tech combat. Though it is going to be pretty interesting for both countries to analyze each others rcs.
With all this talk of a potentia war one would think the US is rushing to field as many upgrades as possible but it is really unfortunate that they wasted so much time and gave so much tech to China just to have it backfire on us. Then we have spies stealing loads of R&D every single day. Changes are needed to deter the CCP.
@@dgthe3 you do realize the majority of the us air force is still not stealth aircraft, right? And the navy barely has any yet. And it's the same with china. And even with stealth aircraft, the extra range is very desirable. It saves gas and increases survivability. It's handy for killing everything. Right now if the US Navy fought china, the F-18s would get absolutely destroyed by the longer range missiles. The US is sadly playing catch up with air to air missiles, which never should have been allowed to happen
@@dgthe3 The issue is that many experts believe the PL-15 outranges the 120D. So the 260 would be a good advantage in BVR engagements and yes for AWACS as well.
@@rickjames18 its not believed, its well known. The kinematic performance of the pl 15 is just impressive. That doesnt mean the J20 would have much of a chance against a F-22.
Fact is the F-35 saw the J-20 on radar before moving into visual range. The Chinese pilots after seeing them decided to put on a show. Which was interesting and gave some good data back on the J-20s flight capabilities.
It's eerie how I will be thinking some jet/plane/radar/ doctrine thing and then you post a 20 minute video that brings things into focus, like this one. I love your RCS disclaimer. I think I've heard it 5 times but it always puts me in the proper frame to watch the rest of the video. Now get some rest at home and MORE VIDEOS!
The J-20's detection radar combined with the KJ-500's detection radar give them the location of F35's or F22's. At the same time, the F35's detection radar combined with the E-3's detection radar will give them the location of the J-20's. If each nation's flight groups know where the opposing flight group is located, the fighters still need their targeting radars to detect and track the enemy aircraft in order to fire an accurate missile shot. This is where a smaller radar cross section provides a huge advantage. If your targeting radar can't track the targets, sure you can fire blind and hope the missile eventually picks up the target and tracks. However, while you are hoping this happens, the aircraft with the smaller radar cross section can target and track you. This puts the aircraft with a larger radar cross section at a disadvantage in a beyond visual range fight.
This is where home court advantage comes into play. Just say a fight over Taiwan. China's mainland radars like in s-400 can cover all of Taiwan completely. China also has longer range on its missiles, like pl-15. China's strategy for j-20 is also to target USAs AWACS and tanker jets, which have massive RCS. J-20 also has a much longer range than f35, which fits in with their strategy. Long flight range, long missile range, and fastest speeds means China can shoot it's missiles, destroy AWACS and tankers, and then go back home to reload and USA cannot do anything. This will also be done under the cover of China's land based anti air and anti ship missile batteries. USA cannot sail carriers within 2500km of China's coast, so they will need to use tankers to refuel else they cannot even get close to Taiwan. If they can even make it to Taiwan, it will be taken out by China's layered air defences. USA won't have the balls to attack Chinese mainland, otherwise USA mainland will also be attacked. Or their Japanese bases or Guam bases etc. China also has many ships all with radars sailing around the area, all under the cover of China's land based anti air and anti ship batteries. Each ship itself has strong anti air and strong detection abilities. In future China will also be launching AWACS planes and drones from carriers, including helicopter landing docks. USA will be fighting against all of China's Air Force and navy and mainland anti air and anti ship batteries with just a few jets, zero chance, hence why USA loses every single war game over Taiwan. Even in SCS, China also has artificial islands with radar and Anti air batteries. China's anti access area denial(a2ad) strategy is too powerful, USA has no counter to it. Tyranny of distance and home field advantage is too much to overcome. It would be the same if china tried to fight USA over Cuba, and china had one base in Hawaii. Hawaii base would be destroyed easily, and Cuba would be too hard for china to defend against USAs full military might. China will also be using loyal wingman drones with future j-20s. China would also be launching thousands of drones nonstop from mainland, they would be detecting planes along with AWACS. They will be the AWACS hands and feet.
@@ex0duzz I agree with much of what you said, but there are some unknowns regarding technology. My original comment was restrained to the gen 5 aircraft comparison. However, I like the more holistic approach your analysis describes. I agree that China has a HUGE advantage with the proximity to its mainland and small island outposts. Their land-based ballistic missiles are perhaps the most dangerous threat to US CSG's, and I don't know if the CSG's have a counter to a coordinated attack of land based and aircraft anti-ship missiles. A CSG can only defend against a certain number of missiles before its defenses are overwhelmed. For me, one of the most interesting points you mention is the S400's. I realize they are described as incredibly effective; however, we have not had the opportunity to see them in real-world scenarios except in the early Ukrainian war. During this time, S400s shot down the old Soviet aircraft Ukraine flew that had not been upgraded to the level of modern 4th gen fighters. I am very interested to see the effectiveness of the S400 against modern 4th gen fighters. Will they live up to their expectations? Another interesting real world scenario that has yet to be tested is the JL-15 vs. the AIM260. Supposedly, they have similar ranges. However, we don't really know because it's classified. Since the Chinese have been more focused than the US on expanding its armed forces and the JL-15 was developed before the AIM260, it is likely there will be more JL-15s than AIM260s available for use. Similar to the S400 scenario, both missiles are untested in irl combat, so I am interested to see how they compare. Nevertheless, you bring up some great points that I agree with. I also think that the more time that passes before this conflict takes place, the more advantage goes to the Chinese because of they are more heavily focused on expanding their military.
@@ex0duzz this is if everything goes exactly to china's plans, which they'll be outnumbered in the air and on the ocean, they would have to rely on new US technology not picking them up, the US has its own loyal wingman programs and the US is still technologically ahead of the Chinese with many new systems they're working on being highly classified.
@@theamericanpotatonamedphil4306 China would not be outnumbered on the sea or the air lol they have a bigger surface fleet and at least 200 J-20's in service as of 2 years ago, they've since added an additional production line so it's not inconceivable that they have upwards of 350-400 of them. This conflict would take place in China's back yard which means it can bring the entirety of it's J-20 fleet to the fight, while America only has what it's carriers can hold and that's assuming they aren't taken out early by hypersonic missile saturation strikes, as good as the AEGIS system is it will not hold up to that kind of assault. Don't bother mentioning Japan, China's official public policy on Japan is that in the event Japan joins a war against China it will be hit with nuclear strikes immediately, Japan is well aware of this and is not going to take that risk, this would likely extend to any nearby country offering support to American forces. We have better carriers than China but China's destroyers are better and destroyers are becoming increasingly dominant in potential naval conflicts due to the emergence of quality hypersonic missiles for which there currently are no reliable countermeasures against. There is no chance for America to win in the South China Sea, those who wish for such a conflict do so at great cost to what's left of American prestige, which admittedly is not much these days.
The J-20 is soooo cute. It looks like a baby Emperor Penguin belly sliding across the ice. I can't help but think that Raptors would have a taste for penguin. Especially for one that is terrible at staying hidden.
Exactly! Raptors! Not Fat Amy’s. Every time I hear about the 35 I cringe. It’s horrible it really is. The J will outfly it in a year. I mean it’s faster by a lot. The people in the offices need to leave the platforms alone. The 35 taking over for them all. Is a really bad idea!
May I point out that you did not say whether the performance specs you cited for the J-20 were when it's equipped with the original, 33,000-lbs. rated (Russian-sourced, & later their own equivalent) engines, or with the improved, later engines (the ones rated at 44,000-lbs. each). I presume there is a significant performance difference between them! I would also be curious to know what the difference is between them in their ranges, and ceilings, not just their speeds.
This dude has no idea, his sources are trash, there isn’t a serious China watcher amongst them. Best, non propaganda TH-cam content creator when it comes to anything Chinese aviation related is Millenium 7*, he’s Italian (I think) and an aerodynamicist by trade. Being European he approaches his subject like someone who doesn’t have a barrow to push for either side, he just looks at the tech, verifiable data, makes a point of differentiating between his own analysis, his opinion, and source data, and isn’t particularly emotionally invested in whether a Chinese aircraft either amazing or absolute garbage.
@@arnislover They’ve been in development for at least 10-15 years now. Until China can master single crystal turbine blade manufacturing and improve their metallurgy, they’ll remain far behind the West in jet engine tech.
@@arnislover Chinese media reports they are undergoing trials on the J-20. It would be a major advancement if true because it'd mean they overcame the mass production challenges.
Very informative and I enjoyed watching. I do find it interesting in the fact you briefly covered the one of the J-20 missile systems, but no mention of the possible missile systems for the F-35. But to be fair it might be a subject you've already covered, I will have to check. But again, great/concise content!!
informative? this guy is claiming j20 is a copy of F22 or mig 1.44 when j20 feature leveled delta+canard+ fairing with all mvoeable rear stabilizer and side DSI inlets. meanwhile f22/f35 adopted conventional swept wing aero. mig 1.44 adopted bottom inlet + canard that's placed higher to cushion the destabilizing trait. not to mention the overall geometry is nothing similar. just typical confirmation bias with 0 tech contents.
The F35 has the advantage as the J20 don't have to be infront of the F35 for the F35 to be able to shoot it down. The J20 can be behind the F35 even and the F35 will get a lock on it. The J20 has more manoeuvrability and has a faster climb rate but will only save its ass against 4.5 generation aircraft as 4.5 generation aircraft nose has to be virtually on the J20 to get a lock on it to be able to shoot it down
@@Nathan-ry3yu you should worry more about the thousand bugs south korean airforce reportedly found in F35...also F35 cant supercruise, and its ram coating wear off immediately upon sonic performance. you can find these details from the pentagon.
Overall a good video - however few things: - while China likely used American data to their advantage (especially the FC-31), China didn’t used the MiG-1.44 as template. There are some contradicting points about the tail section (some say, that it has been licensed by MiG- some say, it has been copied), but it seems, that the MiG-1.44 has been rather lifted from a early Chinese prototype - not the other way around. China had a prototype of the J-9 (and the respective 2 engine interceptor variant was called J-9VI-II) which had *exactly the same dimension* as the J-20. Hence the “stealthified” it - but didn’t stole the design. - the RCS of the F-35 is still classified and it is not agreed, what it exactly is. It is thought for sure lower than 0.005m2 (rather between 0.0001 and 0.001m2). There is even one interview of an USAF official saying, that the RCS of the F-35 is smaller than the F-22. - The RCS of legacy fighter jets are meaning less. Even if a Hornet or a Eurofighter Typhoon is 0.5m2 - their weapons (missiles) and their external tanks increase the RCS massively. - The conclusion, that the J-20 is a 5th generation fighter jet is inconclusive. Having a low RCS doesn’t make it stealth - and especially not a 5th generation fighter jet. Avionics are equally important and it is very little known, how well the Chinese radars are working and how well it is integrated into the rest of the avionics. - At this point it is also not clear, what type of missiles the J-20 can carry. Obviously there has been pictures with anti-ship missiles and others. But even the technology of missiles of China is highly argued about.
You are right man, in the English-speaking world, J20 is a garbage dump, but in the real world, as the commander of the US Pacific Air Force said, J20 and F35 conduct close and friendly flights, come on who would believe that in the East China Sea, two hostile countries Stealth fighter jets will fly close and friendly, the fact is that KJ500 locked F35 and transmitted to J20, J20 turned off the radar, approached at extreme speed, and turned on the fire control radar at an appropriate distance to lock F35, F35 is escorting B1B, caught two fat men by J20 at a time, and carried out a friendly escort flight, intimate photo and forensics 😂, the video has been published on the Internet by the Chinese military! That's why the commander of the US Pacific Air Force came out to speak about this event in person! If the J20 is not a stealth aircraft, how can it escape the US sea, land and air radar? If the F35 is as stealthy as the video blogger boasted, why was it caught! Verifies your argument!
Considering they got the complete manual for the f35 and f22 programs it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume they will be capable of all the same things relatively quickly. US will have to use its leader advantage to develop NGAD and update the electronics on the f35 while china spends a few years working through any of the more difficult technical issue's from the stolen documents that they haven't solved yet. And actually invest more in cybersecurity to prevent these constant data leaks.
@@Wanga-KingSelling to allies subsidizes the cost but still adds to the military capability. If the US sells 1000 F35s to allies, the US does not pay for them, but they will be used in defense of the US in case of war. So the US has 1000 F35s it didn't pay for, that will come to its aid in the event of war. This is why the US is powerful and China is not. The US understands friendship and military alliances and China does not. If China tries to do everything themselves they will never overtake the US.
you forgot to mention J-20 now has a twin-seat variant, a second operator can control drones and weapon systems, it is preparing for the upcoming drone age
The West will rely on autonomous tech but planes such as the Strike Eagle can be fitted out with drone controls for the the WSO. I supposed the Rafale could be fitted with such system as well.
Actually, i think it was here where Gen Ken Wilsbach said that the US had a professional encounter with the J20. As in, you reported when it first happened back then - maybe you got more info. Love your stuff Alex
I suppose it could be interesting to be that close to the J20 and possibly use your own radar to grab a few detection profiles at different aspect angles. Recording would be helpful. Might be crude but I’m sure the folks building air-to-air simulations might salivate at getting real world data even if it came from processed detections.
The F35 can just take a dive into South China Sea and unlock super stealth mode. Only downside is it cannot deactivate the stealth mode once activated and needs to be recovered by Chinese salvage ships.
That looks like it was designed for doing cool maneuvers at air shows. Having lived in China, that is probably not far from one of their primary objectives. The Chinese love to put on a good show.
The F22 flying video captured by Chinese satillite is all over the internet, so don't just listen to what a US guy said, we all knew sometimes how fake the video could be if the data or information are based on western media and some so called experts.
If you remember correctly, the F-4 did not come with a "gun" as it was presumed that missiles would make guns obsolete. Well the F-4E was designed and built with guns for "Dog Fighting". The F-14/15/16/18/22/35 all have guns as well.
@@bluebox87059 Or just bitter and distrustful of anything involving the military. Lots of (FAR FROM ALL) veterans are like that. They can't wrap their heads around the amount of battles the US wins vs. pulling out for political expediency.
@@mojothemigo not a vet, but very disappointed with military procurement & the greedy politicians. Unless U.S. has some secretive defense/counter against massed suicide drones and missile swarms, carrier battle groups are doomed if they are going to be used as front-line forces.
🙆china ain't your average adversies like Afghanistan or iraq that doesn't know how to defend itself... First Get that F35 out of southchina sea Trench and come to Get china to it's deep inside
US General be like: “The J-20 is an incredible aircraft” **another member of the MIC wants more money** “The J-20 is nothing to lose sleep over” must be exhausting being a general
I think close dogfighting will come back into favor with more stealth technology. If your missile can't target an aircraft, you'll have to get closer to take down that target. It's incredible that the f22 has been so dominate for so long as far as stealth goes and it's still the best dogfighting stealth aircraft out there.
Let’s be honest here once ww3 comes new 4thgen fighters will be made faster more aggressive and agile because planes will be so close and so many that stealth won’t matter that’s why replacing all 4th gen jets is baaad
@@rampage4695 They intentionally let that happen for them to know the aircraft's (F22) weakness. Classic american way of portraying disadvantage to determine where to improve and know what's lacking.
Thank you Alex for presenting information, that is actually factual! I appreciate the way you present it. You have the good sense to say what your reports are not! And thank you for pointing out how "our" training competitions are run!
My question is who saw who first? Basically how does the stealth/ radar stack up? If both have top notch stealth that overcomes the other’s radar then the chance of a dog fight drastically increases. And like you said that’s not the F-35’s bread & butter. And if they got close enough for them to see each other this time, is that possibly the case?
With a missile range of 120miles and the jet facing directly at u, canards and rcs wouldn't matters much! Unless an AWAC is flying high n early enough to detect it but at a distance of 200miles, does a pair of small well stealthed canards matters??? U think ur enemies would show their bellies to u??? Without AWACS, canards make no difference at 120 miles head-on situation, jet’s radar precision n range,stealth coating and missile capabilities matters the most. Sad, many use their head but not their brain. Too much rubbish from MIC , covering up their inferiority state of mind n corruption. USA no1 in the world, are U happier now while inflation is heating up???
Two planes met, then departed. If you're expecting any more than that ask yourself why would either airforce be willing to share that info with the world?
Not actually expecting that there was a confrontation just commenting that we went through the whole vid and never got a description of the encounter at all
Any insight from the encounter would be locked behind top secret clearances and a need to know basis. So the people who do know cannot and will not talk about it. So youtube video's would be clueless on the matter and if they say they might know something its really just clickbait for their numbers. All I needed to know from it is that both finally had an encounter with each other.
I am always inclined to take any threat narrative with a grain of salt. It is in the militaries best interest to suggest a threat is higher, rather than lower. This ensures greater funding for R&D. This game runs on continually.
It's much slimer and stream lined, very flat. The F-35 is nicknamed Fat Amy for a reason. It's bulky and curvey and has a big fat nozzle of an ass. If the F-22 didn't have the those near vertical stabs it would be even stealthier, and it's likely that whatever replaces it won't have a recognizable tail at all, like the YF-23.
I think it's part of the reason the US was never willing to sell them to allies. The stealth tech is so good that they can't risk it falling into enemy hands.
@@TexasGreed The only people who call it that are armchair generals with no influence or noteworthy opinions of US defense strategy. The F-35 is a damn fine aircraft and one of the best in the world
@@BSnicks dude 😂. I mean - my Inglesh is not very "accurate", so - you know 🤣. The video - yeah. I mean - he is not the worse out there on youtube. Like - it could be worse :). But, still, we should not tolerate videos with no actual "meat".
Depends on how you are defining 'deep'. 20 miles easily clears the front lines. 200 miles likely hits any major command & control centres in a country. 2000 miles and you're probably on your way to bomb the next country over.
@@dgthe3 I meant that more along the lines of "ground targets" being its... well.... targets. That is what the F111 is, it's really a stealth bomber, they just gave it the "F" letter to throw off any spying attempts to guess its true role. It's targets are, well, ground targets. In contrast, the F22 and F35 were designed as air superiority with the 'ability' to target things on the ground.
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 But.. it wasn't. The F was 'literally' added to its name to throw off potential intelligence probes and such. There's a documentary somewhere about the F111 where they explicitly state that. It was designed specifically as a bomber. They just didnt give it the B-designation to ward off counter-intelligence. :) Thats why it has literally 0 air-to-air weapons. At no point is it meant to 'fight' other aircraft as a fighter would.
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 The "F-111" is a swing-wing short-range bomber. You and Den might be thinking of the "F-117", which is the original Stealth Fighter, which has primarily been used as an attack aircraft more than a "fighter".
Was at a football game a few weeks ago and they did a flyover with three FA18 super hornets. God damn that’s a cool aircraft. They hung around for a bit after the flyover and did some rolls and loops in the distance and I found I couldn’t look away. Had no idea what was happening on the field 😆 It was a game for a team I’m not a fan of, after all.
Your RCS figures are pure disinformation. Kenneth Wilsbach also said in March 2022 "those sensors that we rely on with the E-3 aren't really capable in the 21st century fight, especially against a platform like the J-20 or something similar to that," "it just can't see those platforms far enough out to be able to provide an advantage to the shooters." It's inconceivable that an E-3 can't track a legacy platform like the F-18 from far enough for an F-35 first-shoot. The most rigorous open-source RCS simulation to date predicts the J-20 has an RCS slightly larger but of the same order of magnitude as the F-35. And in the context of stealth fighters, "professional" flying loosely implies maintaining a stealthy, disciplined flight regime. This all tracks with the unofficial Chinese consensus that the J-20 had a lock on the F-35 through the KJ-500 before Team Blue knew it was there.
Old news. For all we know, the PLA pilots had no idea they were even encountered. As for front-only stealth, it's useless and why the 'Silent Eagle' never caught on. Sure, it's an advantage against a target directly ahead of you, but sensor nodes off to either side, including roving fighter patrols? It's pointless. And that means exfiltration from hostile airspace hugely suffers, too.
If the chinese had performed well in those encounters believe me we would have heard about it as they heralded it from the highest rooftops. but they didnt. they were silent about it...which says something very important. they got caught with their pants down and know they would have had their asses handed to them.
@@ricardoricardoricardoricardo The J-20 and the SU-57 are not true 5th generation fighter jets. They are at best 4.5 generation platforms. The F-22 and the F-35 are true 5th generation platforms, and the USAF announced approximately two years ago that it had already flown a 6th generation fighter jet. The brand new B-21 Raider heavy strategic bomber is set to be officially revealed next month. It's not arrogance. The United States is simply leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else when it comes to tactical and strategic military aircraft.
Unfortunately,for us in the west, we have NATO pilots who have gone over to China to teach them our approach to flying fighter jets and thus giving away our tactics and techniqes while also giving away how our fighters handle etc.Selling out our Air Forces is a disgrace to put it lightly.
that's quite an ignorant understanding of the military. these type of action has occur for hundred of years, and they go both ways, how do you think red force pilot are trained? when NATO steal pilot from other country, why didn't you speak up about it? because it not really a big deal, if a few pilot can change the effectiveness against an airforce, than there is something wrong with that airforce. more importantly is if you read the news, none of the pilot was arrested. so this isn't even consider as against the law. this is just sensationalism news trying to mislead the public.
@@lagrangewei Firstly,what the pilots are doing isn't against the law! They are getting paid to do a job and if you think it's no "big Deal",it is, because a few pilots can divulge a lot of information about tactics,ability of the fighter jets,etc.I'm also not, "Misleading The Public",maybe you shoiuld take up your grievance with the press,because that's where I found the information.
It was also rumored that the chinese pilot failed at an inverted attempt to give the American pilot the top gun bird. The American pilot is rumored to have said " I see you".
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What you all doing know is that the USA won't allow pilots to do certain maneuvers in front of other nations or for the media. Basically they won't unlock boss mode.
Of course. Don’t show your best moves. Save them for when they’re truly needed. Element of surprise 🎯
U.S. generally doesn't allow planes to fly in stealth mode either.
And they should keep it at Lowe key and keep them guessing 😉
@@Wise101 I heard some military experts kind of laughing at China during some joint military excerise/competition since the Chinese had bragged about sending their best and were obviously trying really hard. They were laughing since people rarely sent their best since they didn't want everyone to know the best they could do and saying you sent your best backfires if you do poorly since that's "the best you can do"
@@arthas640 But then how do you make others cower in fear over your obvious might?
This guy is a master at turning a 2 minute video into a 20 minute video.
"Roll that beautiful commercial footage!"
lol....and you'll still watch it
Agree, I just watched the AIM 174 introduction, and it took me 15 minutes to realize that there is literally nothing important to talk about except for the performance and expected usages.
Yeah... welll. Yeah.@@mikelittle5250
@@mikelittle5250He's got good footage so
Props for emphasising the important of military doctrine and roles within the wider force deployment.
and pointing out how China and Russia are so inept they only focus on intimidation.
Special military deployment?
The J-20 has the same stealth of a Super hornet. lol.
Even more important is to not turn _on_ your radar.
@@aphil4581 lmaooooo
Very informative & most exciting. Will follow your presentations.
So far, Japan has agreed to buy 157 F-35s, with 42 of them being VTOL F-35Bs for operation off helicopter carriers. I recently met a couple Japanese pilots who are going to start training on the F-35A variant this year, since Japan is slated to receive more by then, or so they said...
"with 42 of them being VTOL F-35Bs"(sic)
STOVL not VTOL
Japan is working on a home grown 6th generation stealth fighter.
Japan is working on its own 6th Gen because we only gave them the Air Force F35 and said no to their request for F-22’s. Japanese pilots also say the F35 doesn’t carry enough missiles. Only carries four where j20 Carries six and F22 Carrie’s 8
@@Joe-kx7bl in stealth mode, but they can have 4 additional hardpoints in non-stealth mode.
@@AA-xo9uw F-35B is VTOL; they are operated as STOVL on carriers to increase payload capacity on takeoff.
F-35B is the most powerful VTOL jet ever made, it has no problem taking off that way.
I remember reading long ago, and have yet to hear it confirmed, that the F-22 has thrust vectoring to help it maneuver not in dogfights, but at very high altitudes where the conventional control surfaces can't bite enough air. This is why the F-23 team contended it didn't need thrust vectoring - its enormous full-slab tailerons were big enough to move its ass around even in the very high-altitude atmosphere. The F-22's conventional control surfaces can't.
That makes MUCH more sense since high altitude flight is important while dogfighting simply hasn't been important for a long time. It was rapidly becoming outdated when jets first became common and since stealth technology entered the game it became a secondary concern at best
That's not quite correct but it's not necessarily wrong. The f22 is said to maneuver extremely well without TVC. It's nose authority on its pitch axis is unparalleled. the twin horizontal tail stabs(stabilizers & elevator ) design use the entire surface to pich and roll. There authority is much greater then expected. More then adequate at very high altitudes While supersonic. However at lower air speeds the ability to pitch is decreased. While at the same time lower altitudes bleed alot of energy off to gain nose position/AOA. So TVC on that axis is essential for low speed maneuvering, and control/recovery- authority in a stall. It also adds to the balance/ stability, and decreased g loading on wings no matter the center of gravity or direction of lift vectors while maneuvering. In HOBS, BFM & BVR engagements, fox2/3 - high alpha fights
According to Paul metz the f22 still couldn't do everything the yf23 could . Nice interview with him as he is the only person to fly both yf22 yf 23 and the final f22 design.
Sadly the f23 wasn't chosen as its pretty much what the air force wants in the Gen 6 . 23 had far superior range larger payload bays and better stealth
The main reason the F23 was not chosen was the manufacturer.
It had a history of delays and cost over runs at the time and had left a bad taste with the powers that be.
In addition to what is posted already, the TVC allows the nose down pitching moment at supersonic speeds to be counteracted without using the horizontal stabilizers, which in turn reduces drag at supersonic speeds and allows retention of full pitch authority. Indeed, the early F-14s had glove vanes for this exact reason. However, maintenance of these eventually resulted in them being welded shut on the early planes and deleted in latter new build aircraft.
Something not given enough attention is the F-35's big draw and advantage over any other aircraft; its ability to become a mobile Control and Command center for any aircraft its flying with. The F-35 has the most powerful tracking and radar systems anyone has ever seen on an aircraft. It can provide real-time information to an entire fleet of aircraft while remaining out of sight and undetected, and it can link to, and take control of those aircrafts weapon systems simultaneously and use them as it's own.
Pair the F-35 with a Squadron of F-22's, F-15EX's and some F/A-18's, and you have unstoppable, unbeatable airpower.
Why not just build a big ass AWACS with an even more powerful radar?
It's not like an F35's radar or command centre (ie one guy) is enough to beat an AWACS that does the same thing while sitting in much further owning to how much more powerful an AWACs radar could be
@@周生生-f1f because an AWACS cant defend itself.
An F-35 can. And even go on the offensive.
You would have an AWACs covering whatever operational area that the F-35 isn't.
@@ObiWanShinobi917 "because an AWACS cant defend itself" -- they don't need to. You just need two pairs of 4.5/5th gen fighters up there as guard dogs
@@BOZ_11 We'll if you have more than one F35 than you have multiple AWACS that can communicate with fighter escorts. The point is making a nearly impossible to target, fast, and stealthy AWACS with better EW capabilities than anything else our enemies fly is more than enough advantage.
Think that's why they're gonna do that whole drone wingman thing I had read about.
You put out a tremendous amount of great information in your videos! Thanks!
a very rare military only video. Data driven and detailed explanation without stereotype. Well done!
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If you really study the history of Chinese Warplane development, you could trace back the aerodynamic design to J9, which was developed in the 70s, earlier than MIG1.44 (2000s),and the designer of J20, Yang Wei, is the student of the Designer of J9 and J10, he inherited the design philosophy
Could we get a video on the two Helicopter replacement programs next?
The armed scout and medium lift choppers (FARA and FLRAA) will be massive programs worth exploring here.
Sikorsky has the S-97 Raider compete with the Bell+Textron 360 Invictus in the AAS / FARA (armed scout) program.
Meanwhile, the Sikorsky+Boeing SB-1 Defiant competes with the Bell+Lockheed V280 Valor for the FVL / FLRAA (long-range lift) program.
Given how the US defense industry works, it is likely that both companies get one contract each, to keep every factory running, everybody employed.
So if you like both Sikorsky or both Bell designs, get ready for a disappointment.
The Raider has troop capacity while the Invictus does not, but that gives the Invictus better stealth properties, just like the Boeing-Sikorsky RAH-66 Comanche had. Not sure why they abandoned that design. Just to push a common scout and transport design when they know it's not very likely they'll get both contracts?
The V280 seems to be the more mature design, faster and longer range. But the SB-1 might offer better handling and safety, as it is not a tilt rotor. And it's smaller, closer to the Blackhawk size. This might really go both ways.
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@@texasranger24 When the program got expanded, my first thought was that they're going to adopt 2 designs: the coax for the scout & attack helicopter, maybe as the medium utility. The tilt rotor gets used for the bigger, heavier choppers.
Thank you Alex you are the best at giving us info of the most profesional. Thank you again..👍
Alex please tell to USA AND NATO GOVERNMENT
WHY SMALL NATION USA NATO GOVERNMENT VERY VERY AGGRESSIVE
WHY BIG NATION LIKE RUSSIA AND CHINA
USA AND NATO GOVERNMENT NOT AGGRESSIVE TO RUSSIAN AND CHINA
DON'T TALK TO MUCH
USA AND NATO GOVERNMENT. ONLY SMALL NATION. THERE POWERFULL
Love the breakdown. Long range air to air missiles vs being able to track the target is the new component.
AWACS ftw
Yeah,isn’t the military industrial complex and war crimes of the USA awesome?
@@BattleBrotherCasten yes
@@BattleBrotherCasten i see you prefer genocide and communism. You need help
@@BattleBrotherCasten Boy, are you following the WRONG TH-cam subscription! Might want to review your subscription list and remove those that piss you off and/or make you sound unintelligent.
That was a highly informative video. Especially the numbers of stealth aircraft flying worldwide helped greatly to put things into perspective.
Not to forget, that Lockheed has perfected low observable stealth capabilities. No other country in the world has the radar cross sectional defeating characteristics that we do. Lockheed makes stealth missiles as well. Just because it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, doesn't mean it is. Not to mention that part of our adversaries' key tools in fighting our capabilities is to claim they are more capable than they really are. Just saying.
Trust me the intelligence analysis of this brief encounter is going to be one for the books a lot of rules are going to change some in major ways and others in small ways but this game is starting to change
Once again. Thanks Alex
Fascinating video for a layman like myself. Ive been an airplane lover since i was a kid in the 70s. Watching the red arrows, battle of Britain flight or for several decades seeing the RAF Harrier force fly from Wittering. Seeing them come into land over the A1 barely a few metres above you was a rush even as i got older. These days i dont see so many since Wittering,Alconbury and such were shut down. Duxford museum is 45 mins away and seeing an F15 and SR71 there is truly a joy but to see an A10 and that gun was frightening and a highlight of my life to get so close.
I may not get down there these days due to disability but your videos keep me going thank you
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The F-35's more recent RAM coatings have lowered its RCS to be competitive with the F-22. The earlier figure of an RCS of 0.005m2, was based on pre-production aircraft with previous generations of RAM. The initial production aircraft had an RCS of 0.0015m2, and later RAM formulations have dropped this further. A ceramic RAM formulation is in testing, that should lessen speed restrictions and maintenance costs.
The stealth tech of F-22 is ancient. There will be whole families of metamaterials that are customized for specific applications. I wouldn't be surprised if new generations of metamaterials become programmable and can change not just the RCS value but the radar signature of the aircraft on the fly so that one type of aircraft can spoof another type of aircraft on radar.
@@jefferyzhang1851 "The stealth tech of F-22 is ancient"
compared to what exactly? It's still by far the best.
@Jalopezlag Even compare to B2...??
Maintenance cost and time on f35s are gargantuan. 100 hours for every hour of time. An a serious conflict with a peer competitive this would be a huge problem
@Jalopezlag b2 has smaller sig then the 22 and the b21 probably makes the 22 look like a shiny metal blimp
Thank you for all your work. Your service to our country is a noble endeavor.
'Appears to borrow heavily' Yeah you could say that. It's such an adorable parody. Makes me feel like I could copy my own stealth fighter craft.
Do just a teeny bit of research and you'll find they're completely different.
I had this argument with the SR71 and how it wasn't a stealth plane. Everyone argues it was intended to be but it never was. They're argument was cross section detection. The real answer to cross section as stealth is that it isn't by itself. It just reduces WHEN you're detectable or identifiable. You still have jamming tech, radar absorbing materials, and mixed with how surfaces reflect the radar radiation. You can't use the cross section alone for stealth.
Wow you should go back in time and tell that to Kelly Johnson . 🙄
The coatings we have the SR 71 did not have it would have ablated off. The black color was something not for radar but for heat to radiate away. For some reason the fiction of an SR 71 is odd in other areas too like when it really retired
They did intend it to be, but changed early in development. If we can't hide from them, then we'll just go so fast that they can't hit us. I have this from the head of coatings for skunkworks at the time.
@@YOU_CANT_BE_THAT_STUPID Ya it's called titanium the highest melting 👉 point metal also it's strong. Stealth wasn't even known as time of development the x 15 the fastest airplane in the world,ever, prototype for the project.
However, the SR71 could just outrun anything ever shot at it. More of a, you cant catch me, than a you cant see me kinda thing. Pretty amazing.
I would say this video is one of the best organized and well thought out comparisons I have seen outside of the Military. I would say that there is one very important topic that would determine strength and might of any air force. Supply lines Fully Mission Capable (FMC) Rates and skills of the actual mechanics, and finally, availability of those maintainers. I spent 16 years supporting fighter aircraft ground support, I was Engine, Hydraulic and Airframe certified on the F-4 and F-16. We would benefit from a video that discussed the hours of training the pilots of important countries got and the ability to keep the aircraft fluing.
Absolutely! Pilots get the glory, but where would they be without the workhorse ground support? That's right, all dressed up with nowhere to go! My nephew was Air Force fighter aircraft ground support and later an expert drone pilot. He is now a top FAA certified civilian drone pilot called upon by first responders to assist in search and rescue and other types of civilian emergency missions.
I was a C-130 Crew Chief from 1999-2009. Civilians have no clue about mission capable rates.
I know this was from quite a while a go but thank you for your service. My father-in-law worked on F-14s, some part of the electronics in the cockpits I think, for the Navy on the USS Nimitz and I was always fascinated by his stories.
He probably did not work in F-16s in teh Navy. Maybe the F-18? The Navy only had a few F-16s to fly against their aircraft and certainly they did nto fly off of a carrier. BUt, if he worked on any fighter, he had a hard job and should be commended for it.@@visionhawk4403
the Phantom really rocked !!
I learned more about thrust vector then i did about the China America face off.
So much for the title not being clickbait. Talked about an encounter for 2 seconds and then rambled on about everything else.
Thanks Alex! Great details and comparisons! The radar cross-section numbers were the best!
The best analysis I've seen was an australian team whuch ran a detailed 3D model of a J-20 with old fashioned ferrite RAM in an EM simulation and calculated 8 ghz returns from every direction. They predicted about 0.2 m^2 head on, but a much lower 0.001-0.0025 m^2 a few degrees off the nose in any direction.
How close can EM simulations be of a stealth fighter from China to actual performance? We can't know can we?
Propaganda is a great thing. Just ask Russia…now look at the reality that the world now sees. Paper tigers.
@@olliefoxx7165we know that their RAM coatings are likely better than the one used in the simulation, cuz they have some experience with RAM ever since China got their hands on the downed F117 nighthawk
The primary role of the J-20s role would almost certainly be to attack Taiwan and destroy it's air force prior to an invasion. If the US were to directly engage China (which I do not believe it will do other than perhaps 5 battalions of Marines placed on Taiwan to help with the actual defense of the island), the J-20 would be used as an interceptor. The current radars on the Chinese destroyers can easily detect the F35 at great ranges, and while they may not be able to lock on them, they can track and feed that info to the mainland, which can deploy the J-20 on side intercept vectors, where the F-35 is most visible to the J-20 and the J-20 is the least visible to the F-35. It is unlikely that the US will fire on any Chinese warship in the open South China sea because that could easily start a nuclear escalation. With a population of over 1 billion, the Chinese are not really all that concerned about losing 5 million men because they have 115 men for every 100 women.
0:33 the tail wing is the stealthiest thing ever
You noticed :-)
In order to win any "dog fight" in the air, it all comedown to how good the pilot in the cockpit does he/she have the gut to do anything!
I am just an aviation enthusiast, I was enlisted conventional US Army, but I always dreamed about flying, your channel satisfies my dreams for now. Thank you for the great content
Another greatly informative video from the great Alex Hollings. I'm sure I can speak for many of your viewers when I say that your dedication to this subject matter very much appreciated. 👍👍
There is that story of former US/British fighter pilots being recruited by China to show their pilots how to fly. So that might be a factor in getting them to understand what tactics are being used by our forces. Several years ago I got to see F-22 and P51 mustang fly in formation that was cool to see.
French too. French have a lot of carrier based take off/landing experience using a similar catapult set up to the Chinese.
FORMER is the key word! US would never allow China to completely show air tactical air maneuvers to any foreign enemies!
@@specialnewb9821 The operational Chicomm boats - Liaoning and Shandong - use a ramp. The emals equipped Fujian isn't operational yet. The de Gaulle uses steam catapults.
@@AA-xo9uw pointless comment
A very young female pilot who worked in the Civil Aviation Administration of China after retirement. As the first American pilot, he was interviewed in the media. So she is so excellent? Doing this kind of thing, but also publicity. Why didn't she just say she was a secret agent?
Australian here, we're scheduled to have 72 F-35s operational by 2023. Likely a similar story with other F-35 countries, bit of a waiting list...
Yeah, unfortunately everyone is on that waiting list, to include the U.S. military. Lockheed still has the F-35 in LRIP phase but once the F-35 is in full production, those numbers of deliveries will be increasing at a much greater frequency year-to-year.
The F-22 was watching quietly and nobody new lol
You can’t even spell lol, its knew not new
@@jacob1423 I was working for Dole picking pineapples in the fields at 15 full time. Not all of us got to go to college Mr Webster. You feel better about yourself posting that?
@@Darkforces817 Can't stand those people, if you understand you understand. It's not a formal letter to the president.
This was fascinating Alex! I am very thankful for America's defense department and their research and development. I pressed the bell. :)
YF-23 anyone? I love that plane. What you are describing is the YF-23 speed and stealth!
As always informative, inciteful, scary and at least a bit reassuring. We can only hope we stay ahead of them in airborne tech and hope that what is on the drawing board gets fielded as soon as. I can also hope there are goodies out there that are not being talked about yet.
insightful, unless you meant to say the video is trying to incite something.
@@brosephstalin5321 sorry, age is setting in my plus my typing skills are really starting to suffer these days. Don't get old it destroys everything, back hurts, eyes are weak and lets leave out my insides versus food. Really disgusting at time.
@@brosephstalin5321 This video made me furious.
@@meintingles4396 me too
Purely fighter on fighter combat is quickly going to disappear. Air combat will be mostly fought with stealthy attritional UCAV's taking the vanguard of most fights.
Funny you mentioned the Nighthawk! I remember driving in 1990 up near China Lake, California which is literally in the middle of nowhere! All of a sudden, I saw a ‘flying saucer’ flying above! Of course I later found out it was the Nighthawk which I didn’t even know we had at the time. I figured it was ours since I was between Edwards AFB and China Lake but that thing was sure amazing looking!
Yup, the middle of nowhere! Was stationed there for 2 yrs
4:33 Can you imagine what it feels like to rank eleventh... just behind Italy? 🤣😁😄
Great content Alex, thanks. For future ideas maybe cover some of the technological challenges that must be overcome to design a hypersonic vehicle like you covered in your aurora video.
Another one to cover is the UAP stuff that has been going on with the USN. That stuff is freaking me out. The evidence is so compelling
Tully, what you are asking for might be classified. If it goes on line, it is accessible by our antagonists.
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Don’t ruin the governments plan to fake an alien invasion to bring in the one world government...
If you really study the history of Chinese Warplane development, you could trace back the aerodynamic design to J9, which was developed in the 70s, earlier than MIG1.44 (2000s),and the designer of J20, Yang Wei, is the student of the Designer of J9 and J10, he inherited the design philosophy
Alex, great break down of the J-20 and comparison of it vs other 5th Gen aircraft! Also great meeting you in Naples! Keep up the good work!
No matter how many times someone says the J-20 is a true fifth gen fighter it won't make it true.
@@michaelsangster2354 an experienced pilot with an f-18 or F-15 could stalemate a rookie on a j-20 but that might be just biased
I am a retired US Air Force electronic warfare officer. One thing in your otherwise good presentation is you seem to repeat the common mistake that radar cross-section is one number. Don’t feel bad, a lot of fighter pilots think this also.
Radar cross-section varies with the wavelength of the radar illuminating the target! The classic example is how Serbs shut down an F 117 and damage others after detecting them with the almost World War II vintage P18/Spoonrest VHF radar.
It turns out that the longer the wavelength or lower the frequency of a radar, radar absorbent material ceases to effectively absorb radar energy. It is absolutely ridiculous to say an airplane has this RCS unless you also state at what frequency the RCS is measured.
This is why the current trend in radars is to have gigantic VHF or UHF antennas, such as the Chinese KLJ-7A. These high-power, long wavelength, radars, or what you need to detect low observable aircraft in time to counter them.
In order to win any "dog fight" in the air, it all comedown to how good the pilot in the cockpit does he/she have the gut to do anything!
Casuals brag about "stealth" on and on, not realizing that radars are constantly getting better..! 10-15 year upgrade for a jet, compared to upgrades every 5 years for radar.... Im only guessing, but to me it seems that radar will only get better, and stealth in material will only do soo much. Then electronics make up for the majority of stealth.!
They Detected the F117, but they couldn't localize or track it with the radar that low frequency, they got lucky in that the US had made the same mistake it made in Vietnam. They sent the same plane, the same path, the same day and time, predictably, so they were able to fire a missile blindly that just happened to catch the F117 when it opened its bay doors to fire and use that to zero in. They also had spies watching the aircraft so they knew the f117 had taken off and it wasn't a different aircraft. Not something that would work if your air force was the least bit smart about their operations and randomized things a bit.
I thought the point of these aircraft were that they would never get in close with any other aircraft. But it seems the first casualty of high tech combat is high tech combat. Though it is going to be pretty interesting for both countries to analyze each others rcs.
We can't roll out the AIM-260 fast enough
With all this talk of a potentia war one would think the US is rushing to field as many upgrades as possible but it is really unfortunate that they wasted so much time and gave so much tech to China just to have it backfire on us. Then we have spies stealing loads of R&D every single day. Changes are needed to deter the CCP.
It would be handy for taking out the AWACs. But an F22 or F35 could probably do it with an 120-D.
@@dgthe3 you do realize the majority of the us air force is still not stealth aircraft, right? And the navy barely has any yet. And it's the same with china. And even with stealth aircraft, the extra range is very desirable. It saves gas and increases survivability. It's handy for killing everything. Right now if the US Navy fought china, the F-18s would get absolutely destroyed by the longer range missiles. The US is sadly playing catch up with air to air missiles, which never should have been allowed to happen
@@dgthe3 The issue is that many experts believe the PL-15 outranges the 120D. So the 260 would be a good advantage in BVR engagements and yes for AWACS as well.
@@rickjames18 its not believed, its well known. The kinematic performance of the pl 15 is just impressive. That doesnt mean the J20 would have much of a chance against a F-22.
as always inciteful, sound analysis. i love it that your showing the F35 pilot slapping the canopy. That's stealth in action.
Fact is the F-35 saw the J-20 on radar before moving into visual range. The Chinese pilots after seeing them decided to put on a show.
Which was interesting and gave some good data back on the J-20s flight capabilities.
I truly like airfoce flying games
It's eerie how I will be thinking some jet/plane/radar/ doctrine thing and then you post a 20 minute video that brings things into focus, like this one. I love your RCS disclaimer. I think I've heard it 5 times but it always puts me in the proper frame to watch the rest of the video. Now get some rest at home and MORE VIDEOS!
The J-20's detection radar combined with the KJ-500's detection radar give them the location of F35's or F22's. At the same time, the F35's detection radar combined with the E-3's detection radar will give them the location of the J-20's. If each nation's flight groups know where the opposing flight group is located, the fighters still need their targeting radars to detect and track the enemy aircraft in order to fire an accurate missile shot.
This is where a smaller radar cross section provides a huge advantage. If your targeting radar can't track the targets, sure you can fire blind and hope the missile eventually picks up the target and tracks. However, while you are hoping this happens, the aircraft with the smaller radar cross section can target and track you. This puts the aircraft with a larger radar cross section at a disadvantage in a beyond visual range fight.
This is where home court advantage comes into play. Just say a fight over Taiwan. China's mainland radars like in s-400 can cover all of Taiwan completely. China also has longer range on its missiles, like pl-15.
China's strategy for j-20 is also to target USAs AWACS and tanker jets, which have massive RCS. J-20 also has a much longer range than f35, which fits in with their strategy. Long flight range, long missile range, and fastest speeds means China can shoot it's missiles, destroy AWACS and tankers, and then go back home to reload and USA cannot do anything.
This will also be done under the cover of China's land based anti air and anti ship missile batteries. USA cannot sail carriers within 2500km of China's coast, so they will need to use tankers to refuel else they cannot even get close to Taiwan. If they can even make it to Taiwan, it will be taken out by China's layered air defences. USA won't have the balls to attack Chinese mainland, otherwise USA mainland will also be attacked. Or their Japanese bases or Guam bases etc. China also has many ships all with radars sailing around the area, all under the cover of China's land based anti air and anti ship batteries. Each ship itself has strong anti air and strong detection abilities. In future China will also be launching AWACS planes and drones from carriers, including helicopter landing docks. USA will be fighting against all of China's Air Force and navy and mainland anti air and anti ship batteries with just a few jets, zero chance, hence why USA loses every single war game over Taiwan. Even in SCS, China also has artificial islands with radar and Anti air batteries. China's anti access area denial(a2ad) strategy is too powerful, USA has no counter to it. Tyranny of distance and home field advantage is too much to overcome. It would be the same if china tried to fight USA over Cuba, and china had one base in Hawaii. Hawaii base would be destroyed easily, and Cuba would be too hard for china to defend against USAs full military might.
China will also be using loyal wingman drones with future j-20s. China would also be launching thousands of drones nonstop from mainland, they would be detecting planes along with AWACS. They will be the AWACS hands and feet.
@@ex0duzz I agree with much of what you said, but there are some unknowns regarding technology. My original comment was restrained to the gen 5 aircraft comparison. However, I like the more holistic approach your analysis describes.
I agree that China has a HUGE advantage with the proximity to its mainland and small island outposts. Their land-based ballistic missiles are perhaps the most dangerous threat to US CSG's, and I don't know if the CSG's have a counter to a coordinated attack of land based and aircraft anti-ship missiles. A CSG can only defend against a certain number of missiles before its defenses are overwhelmed.
For me, one of the most interesting points you mention is the S400's. I realize they are described as incredibly effective; however, we have not had the opportunity to see them in real-world scenarios except in the early Ukrainian war. During this time, S400s shot down the old Soviet aircraft Ukraine flew that had not been upgraded to the level of modern 4th gen fighters. I am very interested to see the effectiveness of the S400 against modern 4th gen fighters. Will they live up to their expectations?
Another interesting real world scenario that has yet to be tested is the JL-15 vs. the AIM260. Supposedly, they have similar ranges. However, we don't really know because it's classified. Since the Chinese have been more focused than the US on expanding its armed forces and the JL-15 was developed before the AIM260, it is likely there will be more JL-15s than AIM260s available for use. Similar to the S400 scenario, both missiles are untested in irl combat, so I am interested to see how they compare.
Nevertheless, you bring up some great points that I agree with. I also think that the more time that passes before this conflict takes place, the more advantage goes to the Chinese because of they are more heavily focused on expanding their military.
@@ex0duzz this is if everything goes exactly to china's plans, which they'll be outnumbered in the air and on the ocean, they would have to rely on new US technology not picking them up, the US has its own loyal wingman programs and the US is still technologically ahead of the Chinese with many new systems they're working on being highly classified.
@@theamericanpotatonamedphil4306 China would not be outnumbered on the sea or the air lol they have a bigger surface fleet and at least 200 J-20's in service as of 2 years ago, they've since added an additional production line so it's not inconceivable that they have upwards of 350-400 of them.
This conflict would take place in China's back yard which means it can bring the entirety of it's J-20 fleet to the fight, while America only has what it's carriers can hold and that's assuming they aren't taken out early by hypersonic missile saturation strikes, as good as the AEGIS system is it will not hold up to that kind of assault.
Don't bother mentioning Japan, China's official public policy on Japan is that in the event Japan joins a war against China it will be hit with nuclear strikes immediately, Japan is well aware of this and is not going to take that risk, this would likely extend to any nearby country offering support to American forces.
We have better carriers than China but China's destroyers are better and destroyers are becoming increasingly dominant in potential naval conflicts due to the emergence of quality hypersonic missiles for which there currently are no reliable countermeasures against.
There is no chance for America to win in the South China Sea, those who wish for such a conflict do so at great cost to what's left of American prestige, which admittedly is not much these days.
@@ex0duzz good ol' death and destruction.....banzai!
The J-20 is soooo cute. It looks like a baby Emperor Penguin belly sliding across the ice. I can't help but think that Raptors would have a taste for penguin. Especially for one that is terrible at staying hidden.
Exactly! Raptors! Not Fat Amy’s. Every time I hear about the 35 I cringe. It’s horrible it really is. The J will outfly it in a year. I mean it’s faster by a lot. The people in the offices need to leave the platforms alone. The 35 taking over for them all. Is a really bad idea!
May I point out that you did not say whether the performance specs you cited for the J-20 were when it's equipped with the original, 33,000-lbs. rated (Russian-sourced, & later their own equivalent) engines, or with the improved, later engines (the ones rated at 44,000-lbs. each). I presume there is a significant performance difference between them! I would also be curious to know what the difference is between them in their ranges, and ceilings, not just their speeds.
He did around 11 min in. The 44k lb engines aren't ready yet
"Rated at" is a metaphor for "might be bullshit".
This dude has no idea, his sources are trash, there isn’t a serious China watcher amongst them.
Best, non propaganda TH-cam content creator when it comes to anything Chinese aviation related is Millenium 7*, he’s Italian (I think) and an aerodynamicist by trade. Being European he approaches his subject like someone who doesn’t have a barrow to push for either side, he just looks at the tech, verifiable data, makes a point of differentiating between his own analysis, his opinion, and source data, and isn’t particularly emotionally invested in whether a Chinese aircraft either amazing or absolute garbage.
@@arnislover They’ve been in development for at least 10-15 years now. Until China can master single crystal turbine blade manufacturing and improve their metallurgy, they’ll remain far behind the West in jet engine tech.
@@arnislover Chinese media reports they are undergoing trials on the J-20. It would be a major advancement if true because it'd mean they overcame the mass production challenges.
Very informative and I enjoyed watching. I do find it interesting in the fact you briefly covered the one of the J-20 missile systems, but no mention of the possible missile systems for the F-35. But to be fair it might be a subject you've already covered, I will have to check. But again, great/concise content!!
informative? this guy is claiming j20 is a copy of F22 or mig 1.44 when j20 feature leveled delta+canard+ fairing with all mvoeable rear stabilizer and side DSI inlets.
meanwhile f22/f35 adopted conventional swept wing aero. mig 1.44 adopted bottom inlet + canard that's placed higher to cushion the destabilizing trait. not to mention the overall geometry is nothing similar.
just typical confirmation bias with 0 tech contents.
@@minus21334 Agreed. And I believe the USAF worries more about Chinese missiles than J-20 itself.
The F35 has the advantage as the J20 don't have to be infront of the F35 for the F35 to be able to shoot it down. The J20 can be behind the F35 even and the F35 will get a lock on it. The J20 has more manoeuvrability and has a faster climb rate but will only save its ass against 4.5 generation aircraft as 4.5 generation aircraft nose has to be virtually on the J20 to get a lock on it to be able to shoot it down
@@Nathan-ry3yu you should worry more about the thousand bugs south korean airforce reportedly found in F35...also F35 cant supercruise, and its ram coating wear off immediately upon sonic performance. you can find these details from the pentagon.
@@Nathan-ry3yu just look at the F35 bottom, round and plump readied to be locked on.....
Overall a good video - however few things:
- while China likely used American data to their advantage (especially the FC-31), China didn’t used the MiG-1.44 as template. There are some contradicting points about the tail section (some say, that it has been licensed by MiG- some say, it has been copied), but it seems, that the MiG-1.44 has been rather lifted from a early Chinese prototype - not the other way around.
China had a prototype of the J-9 (and the respective 2 engine interceptor variant was called J-9VI-II) which had *exactly the same dimension* as the J-20. Hence the “stealthified” it - but didn’t stole the design.
- the RCS of the F-35 is still classified and it is not agreed, what it exactly is. It is thought for sure lower than 0.005m2 (rather between 0.0001 and 0.001m2). There is even one interview of an USAF official saying, that the RCS of the F-35 is smaller than the F-22.
- The RCS of legacy fighter jets are meaning less. Even if a Hornet or a Eurofighter Typhoon is 0.5m2 - their weapons (missiles) and their external tanks increase the RCS massively.
- The conclusion, that the J-20 is a 5th generation fighter jet is inconclusive. Having a low RCS doesn’t make it stealth - and especially not a 5th generation fighter jet. Avionics are equally important and it is very little known, how well the Chinese radars are working and how well it is integrated into the rest of the avionics.
- At this point it is also not clear, what type of missiles the J-20 can carry. Obviously there has been pictures with anti-ship missiles and others. But even the technology of missiles of China is highly argued about.
You are right man, in the English-speaking world, J20 is a garbage dump, but in the real world, as the commander of the US Pacific Air Force said, J20 and F35 conduct close and friendly flights, come on who would believe that in the East China Sea, two hostile countries Stealth fighter jets will fly close and friendly, the fact is that KJ500 locked F35 and transmitted to J20, J20 turned off the radar, approached at extreme speed, and turned on the fire control radar at an appropriate distance to lock F35, F35 is escorting B1B, caught two fat men by J20 at a time, and carried out a friendly escort flight, intimate photo and forensics 😂, the video has been published on the Internet by the Chinese military! That's why the commander of the US Pacific Air Force came out to speak about this event in person! If the J20 is not a stealth aircraft, how can it escape the US sea, land and air radar? If the F35 is as stealthy as the video blogger boasted, why was it caught! Verifies your argument!
Considering they got the complete manual for the f35 and f22 programs it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume they will be capable of all the same things relatively quickly. US will have to use its leader advantage to develop NGAD and update the electronics on the f35 while china spends a few years working through any of the more difficult technical issue's from the stolen documents that they haven't solved yet. And actually invest more in cybersecurity to prevent these constant data leaks.
You are a very informative, brilliant young man.
I was wondering when the next video was going to hit. Got me jonesing.
The RAAF now has over 50 F-35s delivered and operational, making it the third largest operator of the F-35 at the moment.
They cannot make their own 5th Generation Fighter? Each country should use their own weapons else they will remain underdogs forever.
@@Wanga-Kingor have a strong economy that can buy advanced weapons. That also works.
@@Wanga-King Going alone is how you get the J20 and Su57.
Working together and combining expertise is how you get the JSF F35 Program.
In order to win any "dog fight" in the air, it all comedown to how good the pilot in the cockpit does he/she have the gut to do anything!
@@Wanga-KingSelling to allies subsidizes the cost but still adds to the military capability.
If the US sells 1000 F35s to allies, the US does not pay for them, but they will be used in defense of the US in case of war. So the US has 1000 F35s it didn't pay for, that will come to its aid in the event of war.
This is why the US is powerful and China is not. The US understands friendship and military alliances and China does not. If China tries to do everything themselves they will never overtake the US.
F-22 ripping his hair out of anger:
you forgot to mention J-20 now has a twin-seat variant, a second operator can control drones and weapon systems, it is preparing for the upcoming drone age
The West will rely on autonomous tech but planes such as the Strike Eagle can be fitted out with drone controls for the the WSO. I supposed the Rafale could be fitted with such system as well.
@@Joshua_N-A yes “could be” is the keyword, Chinese is already doing it
Actually, i think it was here where Gen Ken Wilsbach said that the US had a professional encounter with the J20.
As in, you reported when it first happened back then - maybe you got more info.
Love your stuff Alex
IMO the abilities and skill of the pilots are a big factor in the effectiveness of a particular fighter.
Superior pilot > superior machine
@@Joshua_N-AUnfortunatly that's just not true, despite what Top Gun might tell you.
The Chinese government says:
That's okay, we'll just have some of yours.
I suppose it could be interesting to be that close to the J20 and possibly use your own radar to grab a few detection profiles at different aspect angles. Recording would be helpful. Might be crude but I’m sure the folks building air-to-air simulations might salivate at getting real world data even if it came from processed detections.
I had been curious just how stealthy the J-20 and F-35 actually are in combat against each other.
they probably showed up on radar if they got relatively close but the government probably wont release the data
The F35 can just take a dive into South China Sea and unlock super stealth mode.
Only downside is it cannot deactivate the stealth mode once activated and needs to be recovered by Chinese salvage ships.
@@unrealbot3027 🤣
@@unrealbot3027 Ah yes, the Moskva school of stealth:
Just become a submarine Bro! #skillDiff
These vids are so good. ThAnks 🙏!
Very in-depth and unbiased knowledge drop!
7 months late.
That looks like it was designed for doing cool maneuvers at air shows. Having lived in China, that is probably not far from one of their primary objectives. The Chinese love to put on a good show.
Yet the J-20 has rarely shown in air shows even though we confirmed at least 90 models made.
The F22 flying video captured by Chinese satillite is all over the internet, so don't just listen to what a US guy said, we all knew sometimes how fake the video could be if the data or information are based on western media and some so called experts.
I mean, you wonder why they're called the Paper Tiger lmao.
@@Gongolongo Have you checked the very recent ZhuHai air show 2022? Very impressive
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You are right, China is only protecting itself and the US planes are here to invade and kill
can't turn it off...🤷
If you remember correctly, the F-4 did not come with a "gun" as it was presumed that missiles would make guns obsolete. Well the F-4E was designed and built with guns for "Dog Fighting". The F-14/15/16/18/22/35 all have guns as well.
I wonder what the next description we will use for fighters after stealth? We call the f35 a stealth fighter but I think its more of a smart fighter.
After we lose the next conflict, these fighters will be called "expensive piles of burning trash"
@@Johnny13Tube Reformer detected, opinion rejected
@@bluebox87059 Or just bitter and distrustful of anything involving the military. Lots of (FAR FROM ALL) veterans are like that. They can't wrap their heads around the amount of battles the US wins vs. pulling out for political expediency.
@@mojothemigo not a vet, but very disappointed with military procurement & the greedy politicians.
Unless U.S. has some secretive defense/counter against massed suicide drones and missile swarms, carrier battle groups are doomed if they are going to be used as front-line forces.
@@Johnny13Tube No you don't know what you are talking about. Wild speculation
I love it when those in power help fiction become reality. Whether it's Fallout, Metro, Ready Player One or Terminator. Ah, what a time to be alive.
Mad Max: every nation is dead, only warlords
Shitzu vs Pitbull analogy was killer
Yes. Both are DOGS 😂
We breeded a shitzu and a pitbull and called it a bullshit :)
@@titanproductions3628 We, the US bred the pitbull. If you believe otherwise, you should go home now. Look that phrase up and see how it applies.
Alex! Loved you The Team House podcast!!
I still hope the US develops the B-1R. I would love to watch it get deep inside China.
Bruh, the sound of it...
The F15EX is the spiritual successor to the B1R, is it not?
🙆china ain't your average adversies like Afghanistan or iraq that doesn't know how to defend itself...
First Get that F35 out of southchina sea Trench and come to Get china to it's deep inside
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US General be like:
“The J-20 is an incredible aircraft”
**another member of the MIC wants more money**
“The J-20 is nothing to lose sleep over”
must be exhausting being a general
I think close dogfighting will come back into favor with more stealth technology. If your missile can't target an aircraft, you'll have to get closer to take down that target. It's incredible that the f22 has been so dominate for so long as far as stealth goes and it's still the best dogfighting stealth aircraft out there.
Let’s be honest here once ww3 comes new 4thgen fighters will be made faster more aggressive and agile because planes will be so close and so many that stealth won’t matter that’s why replacing all 4th gen jets is baaad
and lose to fa 50
@@rampage4695 context speaks alot.
@@rampage4695 They intentionally let that happen for them to know the aircraft's (F22) weakness. Classic american way of portraying disadvantage to determine where to improve and know what's lacking.
Thank you Alex for presenting information, that is actually factual! I appreciate the way you present it. You have the good sense to say what your reports are not! And thank you for pointing out how "our" training competitions are run!
Thanks Alex - your videos never disappoint !!! 👍
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My question is who saw who first? Basically how does the stealth/ radar stack up? If both have top notch stealth that overcomes the other’s radar then the chance of a dog fight drastically increases. And like you said that’s not the F-35’s bread & butter. And if they got close enough for them to see each other this time, is that possibly the case?
Stealth planes are required to disable stealth during peacetime, so they both saw eachother from far away.
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If you check the max speed of both you will know who is chasing who and the latter do not discover another.
Meanwhile SU 57 is so advanced and stealthy that they can't be seen anywhere so far. So stealthy that even pilots can't find them at their bases.
I will continue to follow your channel, very useful
Have a hard time with a jet that's got canards is really stealthy. Anybody can enlighten me that would be great.
Alex made a great video discussing radar and how stealth works: th-cam.com/video/5CvdMbWGHTA/w-d-xo.html
Enlightenment: they are as stealthy as elevators.
All US 6 gen fighters have canards is what I noticed
@@AZ-hj8ym not sure what your looking at...but no they do not.
With a missile range of 120miles and the jet facing directly at u, canards and rcs wouldn't matters much!
Unless an AWAC is flying high n early enough to detect it but at a distance of 200miles, does a pair of small well stealthed canards matters???
U think ur enemies would show their bellies to u???
Without AWACS, canards make no difference at 120 miles head-on situation, jet’s radar precision n range,stealth coating and missile capabilities matters the most.
Sad, many use their head but not their brain. Too much rubbish from MIC , covering up their inferiority state of mind n corruption. USA no1 in the world, are U happier now while inflation is heating up???
Three quarters of the way through and I still have no idea what happened in the encounter
Two planes met, then departed. If you're expecting any more than that ask yourself why would either airforce be willing to share that info with the world?
Fortunately, nothing happened at all. It was just a moment where both fighters finally observed each other ranging from their capabilities and roles.
Not actually expecting that there was a confrontation just commenting that we went through the whole vid and never got a description of the encounter at all
Any insight from the encounter would be locked behind top secret clearances and a need to know basis. So the people who do know cannot and will not talk about it. So youtube video's would be clueless on the matter and if they say they might know something its really just clickbait for their numbers. All I needed to know from it is that both finally had an encounter with each other.
The radar data from both jets would be invaluable.
Why do you think both sides fly these "intercept" missions?
' 5th generation?...HA, we have a millionth generation baby....And it's intergalactic too..' : Tic Tac
That J20 is a cool looking plane👍✈️
So does chinese flying dragons. What they both have in common? They work better in movies and not so much in reality.
@@vivienneduong6541 The proof is in the eating of the pudding as the saying goes.🤔.
@@allgood6760 copycat nation
@@dennisestradda9746 So were Germany, Japan and the US of A.
@@vivienneduong6541 what movies exactly? and what is this salad of words based on? Your dreams?
I am always inclined to take any threat narrative with a grain of salt. It is in the militaries best interest to suggest a threat is higher, rather than lower. This ensures greater funding for R&D. This game runs on continually.
The only insightful comment in the comment section
@@ashvandal5697 Cheers.
Long range air to air missiles are game changers!!!Very interesting information enjoyed watching clip.✝️🇺🇸🦅✌🏻
Everytime I hear Mighty Dragon..... I think of the movie Tropic Thunder lol "We are Flaming Dragon"
Wait, what??
The F-22 is an order of magnitude lower in RCS than the F-35???
Ah, what gives..?
Money. 😊
It's much slimer and stream lined, very flat. The F-35 is nicknamed Fat Amy for a reason. It's bulky and curvey and has a big fat nozzle of an ass. If the F-22 didn't have the those near vertical stabs it would be even stealthier, and it's likely that whatever replaces it won't have a recognizable tail at all, like the YF-23.
Cost
The F-35 is cheaper F-22
I think it's part of the reason the US was never willing to sell them to allies. The stealth tech is so good that they can't risk it falling into enemy hands.
@@TexasGreed The only people who call it that are armchair generals with no influence or noteworthy opinions of US defense strategy. The F-35 is a damn fine aircraft and one of the best in the world
I love how the title has close to nothing to do with the article. Great job.
My English teacher in HS would probably have graded the presentation of the video with a D-
@@BSnicks feck off? :)
@@ivansherbinin I meant the video and it's content!
@@BSnicks dude 😂. I mean - my Inglesh is not very "accurate", so - you know 🤣. The video - yeah. I mean - he is not the worse out there on youtube. Like - it could be worse :). But, still, we should not tolerate videos with no actual "meat".
If it was designed to dive deep into enemy territory and attack ground targets.... isnt that more akin to the F111 than either the F22 or F35?
Depends on how you are defining 'deep'. 20 miles easily clears the front lines. 200 miles likely hits any major command & control centres in a country. 2000 miles and you're probably on your way to bomb the next country over.
@@dgthe3 I meant that more along the lines of "ground targets" being its... well.... targets.
That is what the F111 is, it's really a stealth bomber, they just gave it the "F" letter to throw off any spying attempts to guess its true role. It's targets are, well, ground targets.
In contrast, the F22 and F35 were designed as air superiority with the 'ability' to target things on the ground.
Yes that's the role of stealth bombers. F111 was a stealth fighter though. But still was more of a short range stealth bomber if used so.
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 But.. it wasn't.
The F was 'literally' added to its name to throw off potential intelligence probes and such. There's a documentary somewhere about the F111 where they explicitly state that. It was designed specifically as a bomber. They just didnt give it the B-designation to ward off counter-intelligence. :)
Thats why it has literally 0 air-to-air weapons.
At no point is it meant to 'fight' other aircraft as a fighter would.
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 The "F-111" is a swing-wing short-range bomber. You and Den might be thinking of the "F-117", which is the original Stealth Fighter, which has primarily been used as an attack aircraft more than a "fighter".
Was at a football game a few weeks ago and they did a flyover with three FA18 super hornets. God damn that’s a cool aircraft. They hung around for a bit after the flyover and did some rolls and loops in the distance and I found I couldn’t look away. Had no idea what was happening on the field 😆
It was a game for a team I’m not a fan of, after all.
Try an actual airshow, they can be fun. A good one will leave your mouth hanging open in awe.
Your RCS figures are pure disinformation. Kenneth Wilsbach also said in March 2022 "those sensors that we rely on with the E-3 aren't really capable in the 21st century fight, especially against a platform like the J-20 or something similar to that," "it just can't see those platforms far enough out to be able to provide an advantage to the shooters." It's inconceivable that an E-3 can't track a legacy platform like the F-18 from far enough for an F-35 first-shoot. The most rigorous open-source RCS simulation to date predicts the J-20 has an RCS slightly larger but of the same order of magnitude as the F-35. And in the context of stealth fighters, "professional" flying loosely implies maintaining a stealthy, disciplined flight regime. This all tracks with the unofficial Chinese consensus that the J-20 had a lock on the F-35 through the KJ-500 before Team Blue knew it was there.
Old news. For all we know, the PLA pilots had no idea they were even encountered.
As for front-only stealth, it's useless and why the 'Silent Eagle' never caught on. Sure, it's an advantage against a target directly ahead of you, but sensor nodes off to either side, including roving fighter patrols? It's pointless. And that means exfiltration from hostile airspace hugely suffers, too.
If the chinese had performed well in those encounters believe me we would have heard about it as they heralded it from the highest rooftops. but they didnt. they were silent about it...which says something very important. they got caught with their pants down and know they would have had their asses handed to them.
The J30 is called the jade dragon 🐉
"America's monopoly on stealth fighters stretched to 2017"
and is still a monopoly to this day.
And most likely well into the future until anyone can get there up to a reasonable production level similar to the f35
Good.
Stay arrogant.
@@ricardoricardoricardoricardo it's well deserved arrogance buddy 😂
@@HailAzathoth Alright keep it up.
@@ricardoricardoricardoricardo The J-20 and the SU-57 are not true 5th generation fighter jets. They are at best 4.5 generation platforms. The F-22 and the F-35 are true 5th generation platforms, and the USAF announced approximately two years ago that it had already flown a 6th generation fighter jet. The brand new B-21 Raider heavy strategic bomber is set to be officially revealed next month. It's not arrogance. The United States is simply leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else when it comes to tactical and strategic military aircraft.
Unfortunately,for us in the west, we have NATO pilots who have gone over to China to teach them our approach to flying fighter jets and thus giving away our tactics and techniqes while also giving away how our fighters handle etc.Selling out our Air Forces is a disgrace to put it lightly.
that's quite an ignorant understanding of the military. these type of action has occur for hundred of years, and they go both ways, how do you think red force pilot are trained? when NATO steal pilot from other country, why didn't you speak up about it? because it not really a big deal, if a few pilot can change the effectiveness against an airforce, than there is something wrong with that airforce.
more importantly is if you read the news, none of the pilot was arrested. so this isn't even consider as against the law. this is just sensationalism news trying to mislead the public.
@@lagrangewei Firstly,what the pilots are doing isn't against the law! They are getting paid to do a job and if you think it's no "big Deal",it is, because a few pilots can divulge a lot of information about tactics,ability of the fighter jets,etc.I'm also not, "Misleading The Public",maybe you shoiuld take up your grievance with the press,because that's where I found the information.
Oh right, these retired pilots are your slaves, they can’t work without your permission.
@@nomanor7987I Never said that,perhaps you should read what I actually said! Plus my rebuttal to someone else who also didn't read my reply.
That’s the Brit’s
Individual actions by a bunch of traitors
It was also rumored that the chinese pilot failed at an inverted attempt to give the American pilot the top gun bird. The American pilot is rumored to have said " I see you".
Cool story bro, but probably not true.
F35 is not a competitor of the same level, the United States needs more F22
The discontinuities between the canard and the fuselage and those gigantic tail pipes are going g to light up like a Roman candle
China has some cool designs. Interesting innovation
Love it America and France , have to keep the peace ✌️❤❤🇨🇵🇨🇵🇺🇲🇺🇲💪💪💪💪
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