Destiny's Heated Debate w/ Cenk On Israel
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- DEBATE: Destiny debates Cenk on Israel-Palestine conflict Hosted by Eli Hassell
Date: 17 Dec, 2023
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Title is wrong, should say PRESIDENT Cenk
For being so smart destiny you're not very smart are you!?
First of all the people of Gaza are surrounded by three concrete walls with the fourth one being the ocean, Gaza has no port or control of a sea port of any kind, Gaza also has no ability to access its airspace up above with no self-defense systems of any sorts, you say Ham, uses people as human shields how? The people have nowhere to run do you not understand how tall the walls are that surround Gaza and the security that is around that perimeter? You do also realize that Israel controls its electricity and its water? Look the list goes on and on and on you either paid by the Israeli media company to promote Israel in a positive light or you're just stupid destiny which one is it?
How you're this spot on in high resolution but can't see the inevitably destructive ideology that has consumed the modern left is really confusing to me. You're fighting for a political party that won't just disappoint you but will continue the march towards authoritarianism if not defeated.
Kamikaze werent a terror weapon It was basically a guided cruise missile. It was seen as effective vs the training needed.And werent' thrown away weapon Kamikazes could return to base. There couldnt constantly return to base.
Hi, what headphones are you using?
From 'Hamas are not using human shields' to 'Where else can they fire rockets from except apartment buildings?'. Oh no Cenk....
Can I ask you to… answer that question instead of just saying “oh no”
Where in Gaza should Hamas fight from? Can you point me to an area somewhere during the conflict where they could have fought from where there would be no civilians around?
I also disagreed with cenk literally until you wrote this comment and then I couldn’t answer myself where I think they should fight from
Edit* I forgot to write “where Hamas would not be immediately destroyed”
I always understood there are non residential areas of Gaza. The amount of you who all got your rocks off pretending like I’m some brain dead Hamas supporter are super cringe and the way you jump to conclusions reminds me of the convos I have in hasan comment sections. To everyone who actually engaged thank you!
@@JaKeIsCoolGuy they shouldn't be firing rockets in the first place. They shouldn't exist / be there in the first place.
@@JaKeIsCoolGuy but thats not the point. its more the fact they DO use human shields and even dress in civilian clothing.
@@JaKeIsCoolGuythe "oh no" is in reference to the 2 sentences being extremely contradictory. The second question implies that the first statement is just plain wrong. And to your point. Are you claiming there is no piece of land in Palestine that is not inhabited by civilians? I'm no expert at all on the geography of Palestine, but I find that hard to believe
Madness
"How naive do you want your take on Israel/Palestine to be Cenk?" "Yes."
"How zionist propaganda do u want your take to be Destiny?" "yes"
I respect Cenk cause:
1. he's passionate even if he may be wrong
2. at least he's not scared to debate Destiny unlike his himbo nephew lolololol
@@redscar183
nice job misconstruing my comment lolololol
Lololol
@redscar183 TH-cam comments have this weird tend of saying basic shit like "iTs AmAzInG tO hAvE tHeSe TwO oPpOsInG pOsItIoNs." Sure that's true, but it's used as a braindead statement in political debates
@@shadowthehedgehog181
you're literally misrepresenting what that statement means wtf
@@redscar183his heart is in the right place tho
Destiny: quotes history and references historians.
Cenk: repeats the same 2 points and makes an emotional appeal with a terribly simple analogy.
It’s pretty obvious Cenk isn’t read up on this topic.
Just because you qoute wikipedia refferences doesnt make you right you fool hahahaha.
I don't know why people have this perception that "special forces" are superheroes. Sending special forces into that zone to rescue the hostages with no other supporting elements(ground forces, armor, air support) would be a complete suicide mission.
The same one that thinks that thinks he can be president of the United States 😂
true besides the point those special forces are enforcing the Hannibal doctrine that states leave no hostages alive! civilian or military!
They arent superheroes i agree but cutting off water and food from gaza isnt a way to deter terrorism you actually make civilians more supportive of terrorism. There were reports of hospitals not having enough medicine and water to operate on people. Is that collateral damage? Is there any justification for cutting off water and food to gaza with almost half the population being underage? Also the israeli gov told palestinian civilians to move south and many of them did ,yet they bombed the south as well. When you hear israeli military officials say that they are no innocent people in gaza isnt it sane to assume that they dont care about the civilian population and probably are bombing indiscriminately ?
He doesn't really care, so long as innocent people aren't killed. His calclus appears to be that the winner of a war is the side who killed the least amount of innocent people. That's a factor, when it can be, but if that were the goal, bad actors would use that sentiment against their enemy, and that is exactly what Hamas does. One wonders, did Cenk succumb to Hamas propaganda or does he agree with their strategy?
And spec ops have a ton of info going into a mission. Which they wouldn't have going into underground tunnels that sprawl under the entire city
As someone with no investment in either Palestinian or Israeli politics, from watching a lot of these debates it seems like many pro-Palestinian people suffer from some kind of moral hyperactivity. They have a conclusion reached from some pieces of evidence which gives them moral righteousness, but if you attempt to force them to slow-walk you through the evidence they get immensely frustrated and insist that you just agree with the conclusion.
The exact problem. Muslims have constantly lied about the conflict and dumb people in the western world believe them with no questions
Brilliant
Accurate. Give me the evidence to support your claims or shut up because you're just spewing bullshit you've heard online. It's embarrassing.
Congrats, you just described like every leftist position ever lol
I thought I was the only one who's been seeing this
There’s no point in ever “debating” chunk. He’s simply a lunatic.
I love how destiny and cenk wait for the other person to talk instead of just interrupting each other. This alone made it way more educational and informative. Great debate!
I just saw a debate with Destiny and Alex Jones....this is so mucho better and I really apreciate it for the same reason you give.
Honestly it was hard sitting through Cenk’s rants. The amount of pure bs coming out of his mouth was at times unbearable. His basic lack of knowledge on for example how war works is just wild to me. When Destiny was hitting him with actual facts all Cenk could do is shake his head.
Cenk embodies a straw man. Dude loves to oversimplify an opposing argument and knock it down theatrically. So infantile.
Cenk normally always interrupts his guests, the only reason he didn’t is because destiny is fundamentally on the same side of the isle as him politically.
Cenk exaggerates everything beyond the point of what reality is, i dont get how anyone can listen to him
Well done Destiny putting this walking joke in his place.
Still losing the propaganda war and war of public opinion lmao
@@carbonate5006no shit…yeah most people in the world are actually ignorant af and don’t know much of the detailed history.
That’s why you RARELY see this type of long form debate in the Palestinian side where they have to come up with coherent arguments and not BS narratives that work well only on TikTok
@@carbonate5006That's crazy he's recent poll and shows that people still support israel over palestine It could be the fact that you're so ignorant that you refuse to leave your echo chamber
Yeah I honestly agree Destiny made a joke out of him but I also enjoyed watching GDF make a joke out of destiny and all the others who propagate this narrative that all Gazan civilians are representative of Hamas cause they voted for them 17 years ago. People in this community love talking about history and polling data until it doesn't serve their confirmation bias and if you genuinely care about any of that I would watch his video called "Sure, Hamas are naz!s" that deconstructs that whole narrative.
@@opax Please debate destiny I just want to see how bad you are in arguments
Destiny is actually showing an understanding of Israeli society in their mentality. Understanding their fears, and motivations. It is not murder murder murder murder. It is safety. This central value is completely lost on Cenk. Not being brutal, powerful, or murdering. Military action, occupation, expansion is a reaction and a means to safety. Not the goal. Israelis are not so dense to think the Palestinians are not suffering or being killed. Israeli infrastructure is falling apart, education is falling apart, in a housing crisis, and people think they want to spend money on war, and occupying??? If rockets, stabbings, shootings, and bombings stopped, the voting would swing left, easily. The motivation is not expansion, and occupation.
One side was making sense, the other was just pushing emotional talking points
Guess you weren't listening.
Are there legitimately people out there that feel like Cenk makes good points or even debates well? Id be embarrassed as hell having videos of me "arguing" like this.
No! There isn’t. He is delusional!
I think Cenk did a decent job in picking out the most ridiculous falsehoods in Destinies gish gallop, and responding to them. Nobody lived in Palestine? The Palestinian people didn't exist? But also Palestinian people are the cause of every conflict wherever they go? Which one?
I won't to listen to the whole thing. I genuinely don't think Destiny is interested in truth seeking. The attempt to focus on the entire history leading up to the current conflict is something he almost certainly does because the current conflict is not at all complicated. It is incredibly difficult to defend the bombing of refugee camps, churches, the bombing of Al Shifa Hospital - about which the WAPO and NJT have already issued investigative pieces dismantling the ridiculous propaganda coming out of Israel.
It's not that complicated. Unless you start with the presupposition that Israelis are the children of light and Palestinians are the children of darkness like Netanyahu likes to put it, and what seems to be the premise of Mr Bonnell here. Then it becomes very complicated for you.
Destiny is a great debater. Cenk got schooled and he doesn't even realize it.
Not really. Israel Is a racist and apartheid state.
If you side with Israel right now, you are LITERALLY a inhumane racist.
Cenk is a Hamas propagandist and antisemitic guy. I would not expect anything good from him.
Yeah, from grade school to college, Cenk got totally owned on this subject.
When Cenk starts to become unhinged and starts to yell, that's how you know he's losing a debate 😂
Of COURSE
Yup, and since he resorts to yelling 1 minute into every debate he's involved in it's safe to say he has a losing record on debating people.
Destiny is defending the indefensible. He advocated for ethnic cleansing, he lost. I don’t even like cenk but Destiny is subhuman
A huge problem with Cenk is that I can hear the hate in his voice.
He hates jews and America.
yea fr and its weird because he tried to hide it, whereas destiny seems aggressive but its not with hateful intent
Cenk made it so painfully clear he knows so much less than destiny in this situation
not really, destiny reads off his checklist of pre-written out scripts on x or y argument, then when told about how they just aren't accurate he moves onto the next point. This wasn't a steam rolling it was a continual gishgallop by destiny.
Timestamp an example please. @@zaydevans2077
@@zaydevans2077Right, Cenk is the professional here. Saying Palestine is occupied, Netanyahu is bad, and misrepresenting or sometimes just completely fabricting facts. That’s how you win a damn debate LFG.
Destiny is weak for constructing a strong argument prior to the debate, addressing nearly every point Cenk made, conceding when necessary, and pointing out Cenks mistruths. If he really wanted to win the debate he should’ve just strawmanned Cenk and lied the whole time. Based
@@zaydevans2077 idk bc I’ve heard him talk like this in person like on panels etc, that would also need to be a very complex system to always have the exact events, it would make more sense to just know it
@@clev5678Gaza is not occupied. He goes through a contradictions about incorrect Timelines that fabricate a good argument.
If Cenk had only shaken his head one more time, he would've won this.
That's nonsense. Now, if only he had accused Destiny one more time of being racist, that would've been a different matter.
I’m surprised his brain didn’t fall out, it’s definitely shaken loose or something..
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
*Shakes head* I won by your logic right? @@M1187-t6b
It's warcrime when Israel does it, but not when Palestine does it. According to the rules of engagement, Israel is still within its accordance. Get your head out of your ass. No military warns the way IDF does. You want to be stupid in the definiitions of genocide, regardless of statistical evidences, go for it! You have no credibility to say what is "right" at this point
Calling Cenk a "Presidential candidate" gave me a pretty good laugh
Same
Cenk says he is though. Was the laugh because he won't win or because you didn't know?
@@flain283Lord Buckethead is a more legitimate candidate in the UK than Cenk is in the US, is why it's a laugh.
i think this debate did make me have more respect for destiny. like him or not he could have easily taken some low blows to him about hasan and hes takes and make the whole convo about how he reports wrongly.
He wasn't born in the USA so he can't win, no.@@flain283
Lets say the Iron Dome did not exist for Israel. Wouldnt the Israeli casualties be a lot higher? Just because a lot of those were intercepted and a lot of civilian lives were saved from it... it doesnt mean that Hamas didn't intend to kill more civilian or couldnt have if such defense didnt exist.
[Edit: spelling]
absolutely!
If the Iron Dome fell, Israel wouldnt exist cause Hamas would flatten it leaving millions of Jews dead.
This is a great point. People are punishing isreal for being good at keeping citzens safe
If it wasnt for the dome they would still be cowards like they were in poland and germany
Well that's a stretch they are criticising them for killing the civilians in great numbers. Palestinian civilians @@matttrembley8584
You did good in your first presidential debate, destiny.
I'm very proud of this brave woman 😀
Finally a polandrist woman president!!! We can do it@@caseypdx503
does he think if he speaks fast he sound clever, or is he on cocaine?
Trump jr for Vice President and hasan to run the fed
@@lizardman1303 In what universe is that ever possible? lol
This is literally facts vs feelings
Elaborate
@@Jon_W_I mean, watch the video. Destiny gave examples to back up what he was saying and cenk screamed and made stupid sounds
@@iodedonpepto Destiny says if a peace deal was on the table that released all of the hostages Israel would accept it. That actually happened in real life a few weeks ago. Israel rejected it. How’s that for facts vs feelings?
Destiny sucks @@iodedonpepto
@@revertedrf978 I agree, but out of the 2 of them , cenk is worse
I have literally never in my 37 years seen someone strawman so much in such a short time.
Cenk 101
what does that mean
they had a great conversation
@@bloodywoodsstrawmanning if I understand correctly means misrepresenting someone’s argument and then arguing against that
Incestual lust??? 🥵🥴
Cenk is so out of his league in this discussion
comedy gold that statement
That's because he's at a kindergarten level intellectually and emotionally. No offense to the toddlers. They have an excuse, he doesn't.
Watch his conversation with Sam Harris. It’s honestly a little sad
Cenk somehow always manages to impress me with how stupid his arguments can be
He just nods his head no, but there isn't ONE single non-secular Muslim political party in the Middle East that isn't communist and/or Jihadi anarcho nationalist. From the Baath party to every single Muslim party in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and yes Israeli Arabs and ALL Palestinian parties. They are all nuts and want to destroy the world and they have zero ZERO credibility in statecraft. The idea to give these people a free hand at nationhood is about a stupid idea as one can conceive, and this numbnut Cenk is just the biggest liar on the face of the Earth.
Can you point out a specific one?
WoW you red my thoughts
@@IsawUupThereno he cannot because it is feelings he is presenting, Israel was wrong and backed by half the world
@@IsawUupThere easily. Cenk defends the rediculous notion that Israel should allow its citizens to be slaughtered by this jihadi organization, and basically does not think they should be allowed to defend themselves.
Honestly I think this was one of the best debate performances I have seen from Destiny. Made clear, concise points, and very effectively countered Cenk over and over again on every single issue. This was a steam roll, and Destiny's research and reading clearly showed.
I think the moderator was great and served as a sort of baseline - asking the questions any reasonable person might ask, though I haven't watched every minute or analyzed it in detail. Just felt like a nice, neutrally moderated debate that kept things on track and - in my very biased opinion - let Tiny Dest shine.
Agreed. If this is what Vyvanse does for him, it seems to be helping 💯
Idk about research as an Israeli I was surprised when destiny managed to defend himself on points he didn't know much off purely off of logical fallacies in the pro palestinian arguments
Well, he was facing Cenk Uygur, one of the most notoriously bad-faith debaters on the internet. It's easy to look good, confident, smart and honest when around Mr. Armenian Genocide, Destiny should have asked about his family friendly opinions on animals consenting to adult relations just for the chaos. I will never give Steven any praise for obliterating people like Cenk and Vaush, that's the bare minimum for a debater.
@@EL-oj6uq Couldn't have been better said
Go into the tunnels and clear them out? Its like cenk never heard of Vietnam. Thats a suicide mission.
I genuinely believe that's what he wants. I used to think Cenk was just dumb, but in every debate about this he shows an underlying disdain for Jewish life.
He wants the IDF crippled, and for Hamas to have a "fair" chance.
@@FroggyBunwich "Where else are they supposed to fire rockets!?"
ok so genociding innocent ppl is ok but it's to dangerous for the military to try and hit military targets 🤦♀. You wil change ur tune so fast if u were a civillian in Gaza....
@@derpestarzt no probably not. Going into tunnels is suicide why risk the lives when bombs work fine. It was dumb when America did it in Vietnam and it's even more dumb now.
@@em0rabbit798also, the terror tunnels are said to be 300 miles, which is 10 times more expansive than the ones in Vietnam. Not only is it a suicide mission, it is hopeless.
It's quite impressive how Destiny can just fire off a dozen historical facts with near perfect accuracy in quick succession (names of people, cities, regions, years of events etc). All the months of research from wiki, articles, books and videos really paid off.
Yes. For sure. Destiny would totally crush Cenk if this was a historical argument. Cenk just knows the basic narrative, but NONE of the underlying facts.
BUT he didn't know where Israel was in the map!!! /s
Its all jewish propaganda
Its from wikipedia so it doesn't count. Tiktok is where real historians and political commentators gather their info from.
@@egoncholakianfanI cannot tell if you're joking
What's absurd is that cenk in the same breath can say that the other Arabs are not involved and have nothing to do with this while simultaneously saying that the Palestinians trying to overthrow the Jordanian King is because the Israelis are occupying the Palestinians and then as well as ignore the fact that they tried to overthrow the government in Egypt as well😂😂😂
And caused the Civil War in Lebanon in 1975, and betrayed Kweit by supporting Sadam Hussain during the Gulf War in 1990. It's not a coincidence that no country wants to take them in, they are considered highly detrimental to every country they enter. Seriously I don't blame any of these countries, I think the International community is harming them by keeping the dream alive, they have no reason to negotiate a solution that requires them to relinquish the no Jewish state at any borders of the territory and acknowledge the Jewish connection to the land. I am not optimistic since those issues are at the heart of the Palestinian Identity, they have no substance aside from that.
@@Yara-Li well true they're trying to chase a dream it's a dream that was actually created by the British mandate for Palestine that region under the Ottoman empire didn't even have what would be known as an ambassador they had zero representation they were literally leasing the land from the Ottoman empire and the representatives of the zionists program started legally purchasing the land from the Ottoman empire before world war I by the time Britain had initiated the Palestine mandate the representatives of the zionists program had already purchased legally up to 6% of the land 0 I understand that doesn't sound like much but keep in mind less than 30% of the land was actually occupied 🤔
After this display, I can confidently say Destiny has my vote. We need a woman in the White House.
Haha, yes. The first Cuck in Chief.😅
He'll be the first 'swing' president. He goes both ways of the aisle.😂
😂😂😂😂
black woman as president, you go girl!!!😂
Destiny could be playing Factorio in the white house and do a better job than this "presidential candidate" he had a "discussion" with. First woman president!
53:40 Send in your Gay Special Forces instead of Hiding behind Walls and pressing buttons!!!! SMH
Can I say: props to the moderator. I think moderators are at their best not when they're passive or act as a regulatory force to censor the speakers, but when they actually help the conversation along by holding both debators accountable to the points made before, and challenging them. I think this guy from AE did it very well.
Agreed! He's doing an awsome job!
Really? You mean Eli? I'm not sure what to make of his role as a moderator... He seems so lost sometimes.
agreed he did an amazing job, even if debates like this can be staged in a more productive way
The goal of the moderator is to never insert themselves, this guy is doing that which derails the debate.
Cenk is a perfect example that you don't have to be very smart to be successful
Amazing to me that Cenk is running for President. I'd vote for him as President of the Local Highschool, if I was hyper left-wing. That's it.
Biden can form better counterarguments than this guy. SAD, as Trump would say. And this is coming from an alien who would vote Biden over Trump. Cenk... he's just bloody hopeless, and WORSE than hopeless with his antisemitic views.
Yeah....
Depends on your definition of success.🎉
I'm blown away at his stupidity right now...
He's not exactly successful 😅
As a South African...stop using the word apartheid.... you have no idea what that means.... sharia law is an apartheid system,but no muslim wants to talk about that....
Hard whataboutism
@@MrPapernumberDGGliterally look at Pakistan, UK , British, India ,somalia, Nigeria and other wherever Muslim extremist goes literally the middle east wasn't originally a Islamic land until Islam took over ( genocide of Armenian , Kurds, destroying historical items due claim (false prophet beliefs ), honor killings ( most appears in poor Islamic area's Palestine and Yemen. Especially religious disputes
Lmao how is sharia apartheid?
@@revertedrf978because of how blatantly misogynistic it is. Women are treated the worst compared to any other society in the world.
@@revertedrf978 Gender apartheid
This moderator was actually really good and pushed questions to both of them. 10 out of 10 moderator imo.
He did good. I do wonder what de conversation would look like if he would force both, mainly Cenk, to go point by point without pivoting.
Yeah he did a great job in a difficult role.
He let Cenk go on to long near the beginning based on the number of questions and time (specifically Cenk because his points were less focused on the first question although still valid). But other than that agreed
No
Yeah, the mod stepped in and saved Destiny from himself like 2 times.
This was a wild debate. Cenk all but openly justified Hamas using human shields.
He was just saying insane shit. One side killed more then the other. So it's okay they are doing this. Like, who thinks like this. One side is supposedly in a prison with little water amd food, but always have money for rockets and weapons. Their leader is chilling in another country living the high life.
Hiding among civilians is standard guerilla war tactics. Do you expect them to just show themselves in the open?
Yeah, it's standard tactics for people using human shields. You operate out of civilian areas in an attempt to prevent the opposition from attacking you for fear of hitting civilians.
Anyone who doesn't understand that Hamas is using civilian deaths because it does more harm to Israel than them is a moron.
@@Nizaar1there is a difference between hiding among the civilians and actively blocking civilians from leaving the city where hamas is hiding.
Hasan called the innocent Israeli babies that were murdered by Hamas terrorists baby settlers. Now Cenk justifying Hamas terrorists using human shields. And both work in the commentary and analysis space... wow.
Cenk gets rolled this debate. Destiny brings all the historical facts and all Cenk has is emotional pleas
Don’t forget red herrings, strawmen and « seriously ?!! »
Biased destiny fans From what I have seen his points are based on reality he is not here to win debates when 25.700 people died its complete nonsense to even defend such a point. If you do then it's fair play for Hamas you can slice it and dice it how you want either both Israël globalist and Hamas are evil or neither.
@@donsq4306 There's nothing to defend. The number you said "25,700 people died" is literally just a number made up by a genocidal terrorist group. There's no reason to believe it. Also, unlike Hamas, Israel goes out of it's way to defend innocent life while Hamas targets innocent life. There's a difference as long as you don't hate Jews
@@donsq4306 Cope and seethe as much as you want, there’s an obvious moral difference between civilian casualties caused by the fact that your target is hiding amongst civilians, and civilian casualties caused by the fact that you’re targeting civilians.
Hamas is the aggressor, hamas’s actions in October have large support in Gaza and in the West Bank, hamas is the one choosing to fling tens of thousands of rockets over to Israel each years, so as sad as those Palestinian lives being lost is, the blame rests squarely on Hamas, not Israel, not when unlike Hamas they actually try and get civilians to get away from hamas’s positions before attacking them.
@@nathanjora7627 I have no horse in this race its Just reality. If Hamas is the agressor you might want to read some zionist history books. Read about some massacres like : Deir yasin massacre
Tantura massacre
Qibya massacre 1953
Kafr Qasim massacre 19567
Bahr el-Baker massacre 1970
Sabre and Shatila massacre
Khalil massacre 1994
Jenin massacre 2002
To name a few come back if you actually have knowledge about the topic crying about Hamas.
“Ok so clearly Israel needs to end the occupation”
(Cenk nods)
“But at the same time I think the Palestinians should-“
(Cenk shakes his head and sighs)
Cenk is like a parent of an out-of-control child who resists any attempts at disciplining him and thinks everyone who objects to his disgusting behaviour is hateful and unreasonable and thinks there's nothing wrong with anything the kid does, even though it's clear the kid's violent antisocial behaviour has made every other kid hate him, gotten him kicked out of every school he's gone to, and will eventually land him in the penitentiary or worse.
Cenk is forgetting that Japan needed to succumb to an unconditional surrender before peace talks could happen.
That's a really good point
facts
Yoo I didn't even realize that
>be cenk
>says hamas doesnt use human shields
>goes on to justify hamas using apartment buildings for mortar pits
I can certainly get critizing the IDF and there's fair arguments to be made there but the people that straight up defend literal terrorists just blow my mind.
Someone else here (apparently criticizing Hamas) said:
"there is a difference between hiding among the civilians and actively blocking civilians from leaving the city where hamas is hiding."
Sounds like it addresses your confusion.
@@BrandonHeat243giving all the extreme right wing arguments ammunition and justification.
The Muslim bans suddenly got justified when even all these “westernized” Muslims came out and supported actual genocidal terrorists.
Mia Khalifa fussed about Arabs getting stereotyped as terrorist supporters while supporting Hamas and Oct 7th in the same argument. I guess they can kiss good faith stereotypes goodbye.
Idk why they can’t just cover for Hamas smartly if they’re going to do it.
@@ChallengerBanX
Were you watching the same debate? The UN, and several other global institutions have said Hamas used human shields!!! 🤦♂️ INCLUDING HAMAS! They call it the CNN strategy look it up, the fact that you're ignorant to this shows you shouldn't be weighing in on something you're clueless of!!
@@ChallengerBanX Bro. They literally captured hundreds of people just a few months ago to use as shields. What more confirmation do you need?
Sad how at 1:13:00 Destiny says both sides need to work to peace, yet Pro-Pal side can never accept any blame at all. I've noticed with with everyone
Pro Palestinian and Palestinians in Gaza are 2 different groups (on some level), if Palestinians get an actual leader whocwants a 2 state, it can happen, peace can be accomplished.
Im watching this around 30 mins in. So far, destiny wants to use facts and cenk clearly just wants to use emotions. Destiny seems like someone who has prepared for a debate...cenk seems like someone arguing off of the top of his head that you'd meet in a bar.
Shout out to the moderator. He stayed cool and collected, and asked good clarifying questions to keep things focused, when at times Destiny and Cenk weren't doing a great job at clarifying eachother's positions
Yes. Eli Hassell did a great job! Amazing work especially for someone this young!
@@danthem2278 oh damn i didnt even realise. I just looked it up now, is he a teenager or something?
@@II-wk8kv Idk, but he looks early 20s...
@@danthem2278 I saw a 2022 article talking about an anti bullying campaigner 'eli hassell' in machester (so almost defo the same guy), saying he was 15 when he formed the organisation 'during lockdown' so the guys probably late teens/20/21ish. Mad props.
@@danthem2278the absolute state of the debate sphere
Destiny you handled Cenk better than anyone I’ve seen. Called him out on “using a funny voice” to cover up his falsehoods and bad faith arguments.
Until Douglas Murray whipped Cenk on Piers Morgan.
@@Nathantodd2012 dream on buddy
Bad faith?, his poin is completely True.
I think you are giving too much credit to cenk. I never heard him say anything good on his show young turks, and any of the debates he has done he was extremly bad and a good example of a propagandist, the worst I have seen cenk do is on pierce Morgan against Douglas Murray.
@@Nathantodd2012 but, he didn't...Murray used exclusively conjecture and ad hominem attacks and straw man arguments..
I like how Destiny can actually name international law and UN resolution numbers and actuals dates of when certain important events occurred and all Cenk can do is give an example of a house... Shows the difference between how well researched Destiny is on this topic.
Anyone can with wikipedia
@@maxx_thedragondominator Apparently Cenk cant. There is a saying in sciences that goes along the lines: "Even a monkey could get a PHD if you teached it some lab procedures". Anyone can get the information, almost noone will, kind of the whole point of the comment, Destiny is going farther than most other political commentators, even in traditional media.
Anyone can do that while sitting in front of a computer. Destiny couldn't debate anyone about anything without sitting in front of a computer.
@@Marc-anthony-t3nhim using a computer isn't a slight or make hus arguments any less valid
@@Marc-anthony-t3n Apparently Cenk can’t
1:38:17 - yes, that type of military operation (sending soldiers into enemy tunnels) was widely performed in the Vietnam war. It was a bad idea.
Somebody call Brianna Wu. She's crying rn.
Cenk is gonna be forever haunted by the human shield meme.
Even Brianna knows chucks Israel takes are unhinged. Pretty sure she told him not to do this lol
This is the greatest debate performance in the history of female debators
and poc
I’m sick and tired of this shit 😊
Debators? Cenk also a girls name?
Strippers these day offer more than you'd expect
Why is everyone referring to destiny as a girl? I'm losing my shit- dude has a beard
This was easily Destiny's best debate. This is also, imo, the best online debate I have ever seen. Destiny & Cenk were both respectful and not interrupting every 5 seconds, great moderator, and actual thought provoking/ meaningful dialogue. 10/10 debate.
It was very bad for him. He lied repeatedly about objective facts and got called out. He’s being torn apart for this.
@Karlswebb So you can comment that he's lying but can't actually point out the lies? You realize that just makes you look like the one lying right?
@@Karlswebbcan you provide a source where he’s being torn apart or can you demonstrate something he lied about?
@@Karlswebbayo can you just take multiple hours to cite and source everything in a TH-cam comment rq?
@@Karlswebb Agreed. Cenk lied constantly
"that's absurd because I disagree with something else you didn't say"
I have the impression Cenk unironically didn't know a lot of the stuff Destiny was talking about. Destiny reference all of his talking points to actual history with dates and names, Cenk only did so a couple of times and some of those times he was straight up lying.
Cenk operates solely on narrative, not facts, and will straight up reimagine events and facts as to suit said narrative. While I think everyone to some extent is vulnerable to this effect, Cenk seems to be entirely ruled by it to a degree that I don't think I've seen in any other person
facts
Cenk: The Palestinians aren't going to other countries and being violent. That's Islamophobia.
Destiny: The Palestinians tried to overthrow the Jordanians and launched terrorist attacks in Europe.
Cenk: When a people are subjugated, what do you expect them to do? They go to the most radical means.
Mental gymnastics by Cenk
Another liberal lefty morphing into a Nazi when it comes to the occupied Palestinians. Talk about mental gymnastics.
Do you know where Jordan is? Who did they attack in Europe? It's difficult to have conversations when one side is disingenuous.
@@twiedenfeld Yes, I know exactly where Jordan is, and they have had attacks in Germany and Britain. Who do you believe is being disingenuous?
@@house684Who's the liberal lefty that is supposedly a Nazi?
@@twiedenfeld try puttin forth an actual argument, not sure if implying whatever happens in your brain is a good strategy
"HAMAS is Not Using Human Shields" as Per Cenk.🤣🤣🤣
@BarrettOp Yeah right as If UN or any of its agency can be trusted. What happened to UNRWA? 🤣
Destiny: "War is bad."
Cenk: "I agree with Destiny that Israel is bad."
Israel calls for war all the time. Wtf lol
@@Stray16 You think Palestinians don't?
More like
Cenk: the root cause of the conflict is Israel’s oppression of Palestinians.
Destiny: yeah but if they want the oppression to stop, Palestinians have to stop fighting the oppressor back first.
Also, Destiny parroted some of the most dishonest Zionists talking points. The most obnoxious one is the idea that Israel gave Palestinians an amazing deal years ago and they rejected it because they just want to kill all the Jews instead. All the deals they offered Palestinians denied them of a national army. What sovereign nation would accept this?
*139 countries* recognize Palestine as a sovereign state and every couple of years, the UN votes for Palestinian statehood (you know, how they did for Israel statehood) and the result is always 160 something votes in favor of it and a few nos by Isreal, the U.S. (of course) and a few small countries like Micronesia or Papua. New Guinea. The overwhelming majority of international community is for the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state. The 2 countries preventing it are Israel and the U.S. that’s all you need to know.
The point is that this conflict is being passed by Israel and most of international media as being a "war" when it's basically Israel relentlessly bombing Gaza after one comparatively minor attack from Hamas. There's not a war going on in the real sense of the word because Hamas doesn't have the ability to wage war (hardly a guerrilla war, even), but it looks morally positive for Israel to call it a war.
@@tiagojordao4105 Iron dome has been shooting down Hamas missiles for years. You're infantilizing Hamas so much you won't even acknowledge they're at war. Israel aren't the only ones bombing, and from what I can tell they only target Hamas.
Cenk creates more strawmans than a corn field farmer😂
"You can put my side in a funny voice, I'm not using a funny voice. I'm giving you evidence" hit so hard.
Yh evidence 😆😆😆
@@billybutcher9147 Mad Muslim 🤭
@@TheSpiritof76 gay atheist
I can see the sigma edits already
@@harrytowers1076 I hope there will be some!
I like how Destiny cited historical events with dates & people and Cenk just barely seems to know that each event happened.
Fat sweat was arguing with emotions.
I mean cenk named his his show after a Turkish fascist party that committed genocide against Armenians so his whole existence is dumb
@@rafflehsinski6929 😂
100%
It’s highly likely that he’s both barely familiar with titans on the writings revolving around the Israelis and the Arbs,..chiefly, the late Robert Fisk, or Benny Morris,..let alone having read them. 😮It’s somewhat more likely that he’s read bits & pieces of Finkelstein or Chomsky. But,far likelier that he’s simply watched, listened to, or possibly spoken directly with them. Possibly Ilan Pappe or Shlomo Sand, but even that’s quite a bit too much to envisage. Since closing his law text books, he strikes me as being the type who’s read next to nothing since. A middle-aged toddler with the gaming, film, and SMS habits of people less than half his age.
This shit was insane, destiny steam rolled cenk
Cenk fans are saying opposite lol
Yall both biased 😂
@@Bauernade so true, I peeked the comments from this particular debate out of curiosity and the comments from both sides are just the same.
@@Bauernade cenk was saying bs
@@Bauernade lmao i aint gonna deny that
Upon viewing the footage I noticed the guy i agree with was based and the guy I disagree with was cringe
Cenk has plenty of reasonable and accurate criticisms of Israel that anyone attempting to be objective or at least open minded on the matter would agree with, but that intro bit where Cenk's nodding along whilst Destiny criticised Israel and then immediately shake his head and disagree as soon as Hamas and Palestine were criticised just shows an inability to see anything wrong with his side. Cenk isn't a bad guy, but he's so bought in that he's got blinders.
I saw that. Didn't expect much from Cenk.
He is an asshole lol maybe he has some good ideas on certain things but as soon as things dont go his way hes an asshole
He is absolutely a bad guy. There are countless examples over the past 15 years or so of him behaving incredibly unethically, arguing in bad faith, slandering people, misreporting stories in an attempt to cling to his dwindling view counts, and on and on. Your observation of him shaking his head the second Palestine was mentioned was astute and highly accurate. But please, don’t be fooled into thinking he’s “not a bad guy.” He really is. Maybe not the worst person out there. But ethically speaking, he is at least as bad, and as dishonest, as someone like Tucker Carlson.
Being a good person does not prevent somebody von following a terrible ideology. Look at Schindler who was a Nazi but a good person. In the end the question is what are their actions. His actions are not in good faith.
@@therainman7777Nah, Tucker is on another level.
Cenk has much more confidence than he does brains
I wonder how he feels about getting owned by somebody 15 years younger than him.
YOU WISH !! HAVE YOU SEEN HIS FOLLOWKNG ! 5.5 MILLION FOLLOWERS
NICE TRY!!
@@terrancejfry497Cenk has over t million followers. Nice try!! Troll
Trolls
Cenk has over 5 million followers
@@notbornagainbornright5046Trump has more.
There's no way this doesn't win Debate of The Year at the Destiny Awards. Especially so close to voting.
Oscar bait debate, deserves the dub
nah, wait for the hasan debate 👀
@@YourService977Definitely oscar bait. The cinematography itself tells us that.
🙄🙄🙄lmao 😂, what ?
@@YourService977where can i watch this? Have watched destiny for years but phased out and getting back into him again
Cenk needs to stop with his theatrical voice nonsense, very Crowderesque, its distracting and undermines anything he has to say that could possibly be useful.
at this rate destiny will become the first female president
What did i miss, why everybody referring to Destiny as female😅
@@alex1991ander It started with Jesse Lee Peterson referring to Destiny's online alias as a "girl's name", at which point the DGG community just rolled with it. You'll see this joke a lot on anything involving him on TH-cam.
That joke is so old now
Destiny is the worst type of idiot. He's an educated idiot!
Man, props to the moderator. One of, if not, the best I’ve seen in a while
Yeah he did a great job keeping track of and bringing up the relevant contentions
Didn't think I'd see you here
Did Destiny make Cenk look like an amateur? "Of course!!!!!"
Of coooouuursze
Destiny's level of patience is impressive
Anything is easy once you let people do the wife i guess
u gotta be a zionist bot bc there's no way
LMAO Cenk is terrible at debating. He keeps taking Destiny's points and in plain bad faith is twisting it to sound like a childish complaint. Also the constant "Lawl c'mon seriously?" is so grating.
While Destiny shined, it was the moderator who really impressed me with way he guided the conversation was (at times) able to get concise answers to difficult questions.
I really agree with this. He tried to hold the feet to the fire of both people on strong points. Didn't let these items get lost in the back and forth. If anything I would have liked him to be more aggressive but was a great moderator all things considered.
I have to agree, he helped regulate the temperatures of both.
Literally every time I watch debates I always hear about how the moderator is trash. Been wanting to see what a good moderator actually looks like
Good moderator is key in any debate
Yes I agree, but some of those focused questions he pressed them on were…“does the idf care about Palestinian lives?” I’m still recovering from that zinger
No one makes straw man arguments like Cenk. It's every time he speaks. He can't make a single point without doing it anymore.
He says he doesn't like violent Islam.
He’s done this since the inception of TYT
@@gshrdy5415is there a non violent Islam? Islam itself Is violent even though not all Muslims get their Jihad on. In that religion, apostasy is punishable by death and many Muslims agree with the Quran and muhammad on that point. If that was the only example of Islam being violent (which it by far is not the only example or scripture condoning violence) that would still be enough to truthfully say Islam is a violent religion
Absolutely agree
It's all he ever does.
A big part of Cenk's basic position, aside from just that They're Being Occupied, was that Netanyahu Is Bad, he seemed pretty unable to comprehend how Destiny could also dislike, disapprove of Netanyahu and yet not be widely strongly against Israel and not consider Palestinian extremism to be at worst only as bad as him.
Yeah only somebody who didn’t know anything or was a racist would say that. There is no way to comprehend the nature of Israel and not be against Israel unless you’re a racist, like destiny.
@cameronpatterson130 Being racist is one thing, but basically being pro genocide is weird asf. Destiny is doing this shyt just for money and views. What a cornball. Wish his wife took all his wealth as well
You don't like Hamas? Then end occupation. Simple.
@cameronpatterson130 wow you are really showing your ass in all sorts of comments eh? Doing the typical ad hominem "you're a racist!" 6th grade tactic?! Lmaooooo call me a racist all day long if it makes you feel good, but you have got to know by now that that tactic just doesn't work anymore to silence people. It used to, but you wokies overused it and now it has no power. *Gandalf voice* YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE!
@gianthills there is no occupation you simpleton lol. And if I'm being honest I wish Israel hadn't ended the occupation, cause look at what happens when they do? Gazans have proven time and time again that they are not trustworthy and cannot govern themselves without committing mass acts of terrorism and/or firing thousands of rockets into Israel EVERY month. Let's also not forget the numerous times Israel has offered peace and nationhood to the "Palestinians" but they reject it every time. Everything that happens to them is entirely their own fault. Period.
why is Cenk even given a platform. the dude is inarticulate.
Unfortunately the debate ended here, but one thing I wanted to mention about the last point Cenk brought up: Deradicalization of Germany was so effective because the regime was completely extirpated. There was no capability for Nazis to claim that their ideology was superior because their regime had been so utterly destroyed. This was the point of the unconditional surrender war aim. The same thing probably needs to happen to Hamas to lose their credibility.
Comparing Germany with Palestine is a massive fallacy. Palestine is occupied Germany was not. Palestine would be more similar (not exactly) to a Warsaw uprising against Nazi rule. Until you remove occupation there will always be radicalization. To remove occupation you need to remove illegal settler colonization the basic premise of the racist ideology that Israel is based on.
Don't forget to add that Japan surrendered literally after being bombed by nukes and having the Soviets declare war on them right after. They surrendered in full compliance with the postdam declaration
@@Porktoe Technically Japan had already surrendered. They were just in negotiations. They wanted to keep their military so in response we bombed them.
Almost every general wanted a surrender, they couldn't convince their leader in Time and another bomb was dropped.
Definitely a combination of radical denazification, very hard working population, tough ass women „Trümmerfrauen“ that played a vital part in REBUILDING the country from figurative and literal ruins, help from the outside, some former Nazis being implemented in running the system post Nazi era and probably most importantly the willingness of the population to recognize its mistakes and horrors it was a part of and to change. I don’t think the Palestinean population is set to make similar changes, unfortunately. It takes a lot, but it can be achieved.
Tell me how did the nazi escape to when their run is over ? They have been used by th us
Cank is completely ignorant about the facts, and tells himself a beautiful story that is completely detached from reality.
what did he say thats inaccurate? im curious
That Israel uses human shields? That Israel is doing a genocide? That the PA wants peace? He's living on the moon and is out of touch with reality.@@aquari_2344
Cenk is really just blind or deaf when it comes to hearing facts and truths. "No, those 19,000 civilians are not dead" - that is not what Destiny said at all. I'm sorry...how can anyone listen or have any kind of respect to anyone who does this kind of crap over and over and over. No matter who he debates, he choses not to listen to any sound argument, truth or facts.
This is probably the strongest debate performance from Destiny I've seen. avoided the baiting and adhoms from cenk, he knew the subject material and had responses for each point cenk brought up.
This was unbelievably one sided. Destiny knew his stuff and presented his case incredibly well while Cenk resorted to straw manning Destiny and the pro-Israel position in general time and time again.
vyvanse is unironically the litmitless pill
@@jamescapernick2524 Yeah old(unmedicated) destiny wouldve probably lost patience with cenks straw manning and theatrics.
Y'all are so brainwashed. I really hope Israel is paying Destiny cause he's doing great work for their propaganda.
This is a moral quandary and from Israel's own myths they are in the wrong. David V Goliath, everyone knows David was in the right.
chunk yogurt didnt stand a chance
This was a top notch debate from two opposing viewpoints that was moderated very professionally. Very refreshing to see this kind of debate without it devolving into name calling and ad hominem attacks. There was a little ribbing and using goofy voices from a guy running for Pres. but other than that it was super informative. I'll continue to enjoy watching debates like this, with talking points I haven't heard before.
That’s because we had a posh British man there who was not looking through Instagram thirst traps while moderating. We need more posh British man as moderators.
Top notch debate? Cenk was literally misrepresenting Destiny at every opportunity. Aside from that, yeah, it went well. Proud Cenk wasn't screeching.
The mod kept acting as Destiny's second (interrupting Cenk, recapitulating Destiny's points as though they hadn't been addressed, etc.). It was pretty disappointing TBH.
the only good thing the internet really brought .. is .. it exposes idiots so damn well!
@@GreyKnight7777 are you sped? He did the same thing to Destiny for Cenk.
Cenk is 53 year old man who talks in silly voices when he starts losing talking points.
By far the most mature and well-moderated debate I've seen in a while. Thanks all
Cenk is a great example that you can just say things, and with enough confidence, they might convince somebody. Absolutely ahistorical arguments and appeal to emotions
Nailed Cenk. He's a confidence man. His arguments are weak but he sells them with confidence and rhetorical ploys. Cant stand him.
He tries so hard to justify Hamas without trying to sound like he is justifying Hamas
Give me examples
@@tonytooshort watch the video, all the parts where Cenk talks.
did you watch the video? I am assuming you have ears and eyes. @@tonytooshort
yeah hes more of a paid propagandist and actor than an intellectual. So many of his points were incoherent its amazing. Saying every bomb dropped in Gaza is terrorism? LOL What an utterly INSANE thing to say.
Hamas went into Israel with the intention of attacking as many Israeli civilians as they could
If Israel went into Gaza with the same intention, Gaza being a very densely populated small strip of land with millions of people in it, the majority of Gazans would be dead by now
Last time I checked, Hamas was shooting so many missiles indiscriminately towards cities that they actually ended up hitting a hospital in Gaza
Cenks outrage towards Israel is completely in contrast with his very limited outrage towards Hamas, which he always kind of hand waves away and wants to move away from as a topic of discussion as quickly as possible
Probably want their land back don’t you think?
@@979ballin It’s not their land. Jews and Arabs have a right to it.
@@mugflubYou obviously don’t know how the “Jews” got there 🤦🏾♂️
@979ballin Islam has no place in Israel, you want to talk about violence and conquest? Ask the Arabs.
@979ballin it must suck to be told you are the chosen people who received the final word of allah yet everywhere you live in the world is characterized by poverty, violence, and goats. I get why muslims are salty.
Holy shit, i've been consuming destiny content 24/7 for like a week now.
This debate is so satisfying, Ya the Cenk is wrong a hole fking lot, and ya I agree with destiny with most things, Not all.
But this was so nice to watch compared to most of his other debates, I feel like the moderator was quite equal in his questioning towards both parties.
Beats the fuck out of Sneako debates
Incredible. One thing I love about Destiny is he does extensive research. I remember a couple weeks he said he couldn't give a proper opinion on the topic because he was not as researched on it but here he is a few weeks later with the information at the tip of his tongue ready to support any claim he makes or challenge any one that Cenk makes. Beautiful debate.
I feel like his research has slanted his view because since Israel has been a state until the turn of the millennium, Israel had the moral high ground. But the last 20 years, I don’t see how you can defend them.
as an Israeli who lives in Israel for the past 32 years i am truly impressed by his dedication to fact finding and how fast he learned 75 years of a very complicated topic and is able to debate in such a convincing matter that you could mistake him for an expert scholar
@@stavrosmayakofsky1915 If you spend 3-4 weeks doing wiki research (8 to 10 hours a day) and debate/gather info from some lefties content creators on the topic I guarantee you that you will be among the top 1% of people who can grasp the situation clearly.
yeah reading wiki pages for a couple weeks because you grifted belligerent takes early on to soak up the viewers now you have to feign knowing enough so when you quintuple down on said edge lord opinions months later with zero accountability and despite considerable push back it seems legit to your sad rabble of mostly agency-less, parasocial nubs that follow you
@@stavrosmayakofsky1915wikis have links they lead to amazing sources rethink what you say
This debate is yet another example of how prepared research and education will always trump emotional and historically echoed rhetoric.
popularity is and just repeating rhetoric reaches more people.
That’s the one thing I don’t understand about the pro-Palestine side. They resort to emotional rhetoric more than facts which leads to a lot of misinformation and lies.
@@exoticrpgs5050 yeah, I am sure that you guys cared deeply and had really done your research on this subject. i bet that half of you cant point to Israel on a map, yet you are the arbiter of history.
@@stenergut9661I’ve researched the conflict a lot and I don’t often agree with destiny. However he gernerally told the truth and Cenk is a typical rhetorical liar. He makes his living on following rhetorical emotional appeals
@@Yeshua_is_King1 what did Cenk lie about?
If you ever feel stupid, just remember Cenk, and instantly feel much better.
The thing is... it's hard to take a guy like Cenk seriously when he hand waves the atrocities of Hamas, but demonstrates a willingness to blame Israel 100%. If you can't give a full-throated condemnation of Hamas, then I don't care what you have to say about the circumstances.
Destiny lost the debate as soon as he admitted that israel is occupying palestine though
@@666Kacawell yes, they do, forget about GAZA, what about the west bank, what do you think will happen if ISREAL keep building the settlements, kicking out Palestinians from their homes, control the money, and guess what they also killing Palestinians each year in the west bank, it is just matter of time than the Palestinians there will say enough and start fighting back, and what do you think will Isreal say when that happen?? West Bank is a terrorist state, we are defending our self, they are killing us!!! West Bank will be the second GAZA according to ISREAL if you want to put it that way
@@666Kacano he didnt. Just saying he did doesnt make it factual. Disregarding all the other talking points. Not hard to see where you stand on the issue.
"You can try and put my points in a funny voice, I'm not using a funny voice" 😂😂😂 omg this is what EVERYONE on the TYT Network does, I call it the 'mimic' voice. It's like when your a child and your sibling is mimicing you in that voice
Hasan is punching air right now because of this debate happening lmao.
uncle proxy war
Oh no this debate looks awful for everything Hasan has said, I don't think a shallow sense of catharsis would cover it.
Do you think about Hasan a lot?
I subscribed even though I voted for trump because I haven’t seen you really “lose” and it annoys me. Keep it up.
Yeesh, I hate to say it but Cenk was pretty bad faith here. Did everything in his power to twist your words in the worst way possible and misunderstand your points to his benefit over and over. Even the moderator was turning on him in the last hour. Disappointing on his end, but great job at keeping your cool and meticulously responding to every misrepresentation.
From my experience he tends to just morally/emotionally load every point for woke points
@@ElderlyKoala yerp he was just being soy about the whole topic after a while.
I’ve seen 3-4 of his debates. They all end the same, he gets out over his ski’s and screams.
That's what happens when your on the wrong side 😂
Cenk only knows how to debate in bad faith. He never uses facts or logic. It’d always emotionally based circular arguments. He’s the definition of a demagogue. Destiny did a great job though.
Having Cenk argue for your side is automatically an own goal.
That's stupid as hell. What matters are the arguments.
LMFAO
Cenk's manner of presenting his thoughts is too black/white. Whenever he does the voice where he pretends he's saying what the other side is "really" saying, it's always a completely 11/10 extreme interpretation, in the baddest faith light. I'm sure it plays well to his audience, probably did to me way back when I followed TYT regularly, but it's extremely grating when you believe or know it's not QUITE so simple.
And Cenk is using HAMAS numbers, which I have to tell you are statistically IMPOSSIBLE given the population increase.
@@AsifIcarebear3exactly, I think he’s good for people new to the left but his worldview is silly, rigid, and sympathetic to corporate talking points -like the crime narratives. Also he uses too many character generalizations for certain groups in his arguments.
Destiny came with historical facts, dates, names, while Cenk came with the preparation that he did alone in his bathroom against his shampoo bottles.
There is a video by GDF that gives historical facts, names and polling data with way more preparation than Cenk or Destiny did in this video combined. It completely deconstructs the narrative that the Gazan civilians are representative of who they elected (Hamas) let alone that they are at all guilty in this conflict.
For the love of God Gaza wasn’t occupied by Israel…they pulled all their people out of there in 2005 and what did they do with this freedom? They made tunnels and sent rockets into Israel. Israel had to once again go back in and secure the area. That’s common sense not occupation
cenk litterally says "im not justifying terrorism" then litterally justifies terrorism. implying they shouldnt bow their heads and fight is saying they should commit terror attacks to get what tehy want in this context
That is not what Cenk said. What he said was that the conditions in which the Palestinians live in in Gaza will naturally lead to radicalisation and violence.
they are resistance not terrorism
oh, i didnt know resistances raped women and put babies in ovens. my bad@@ASSASIN7-sd5sr
@ghostbirdlary This is a similar situation to the Ukraine-Russia conflict. If Russia really had an issue with quote on quote NATO expansion, they would have had their helicopters surrounding the Capitol in Kiev to confront the politicians instead of mutilating civilians. If Palestinians were to solely focus on simply fighting back, they wouldn’t have murdered Israeli civilians. So, there is nuance that Cenk has to understand here.
@@RealJackHQ If Russia cared about NATO expansion, they would make NATO obsolete by not invading their neighbors. If Palestine wants to negotiate with a left-wing Israeli government, they should stop helping far-right nutjobs get elected.
The whole Cenk thing only really works if he’s debating himself.
He often takes the opportunity to do that in his downstairs WC - at least he's the smartest person in the room on those occasions
Listen to destiny folks. He speaks historical truth.
For those that think Cenk won and wanted to see the Destiny comments section:
Does it not seem weird Destiny has a history and fact based response for every point Cenk brings up, while Cenk has to continually make vauge analogies and appeals to emotion whenever Destiny makes a point?
He's like-Hamas aren't using human shields...let me explain why its ok for hamas to use residential apartment blocks full of people as rocket launch sites real quick.
Cenk is such a joke.
And put on the silly bad faith voice. Cenk can't sound good faith with such a mocking, childish tone.
Every answer from Cenk is a narrative, a story.
i think the issue that most people see with destiny isn’t what he’s saying, but rather how he says it. destiny will definitely talk historical facts, on the ground facts, and polling data, but he seems emotionally driven when he starts talking extremely fast & with emotion. when you’re not a destiny fan and youre somewhat pro palestinian, you seem to walk away thinking Destiny was actually the emotional one due to him sounding emotional while Cenk sounded mostly calm. it’s crazy how you can sway opinions based on how you talk, but that’s how it works when people already have predisposed opinions on topics before coming into a debate like this. i hope destiny doesnt do this as much in the future, it waters down his credibility for people outside of the pro-israel crowd or casual fans of his. there were lots of points in the debate where destiny seemed mad & emotional while Cenk spoke calmly and slowly. i noticed Cenk would tend to use those emotional “outbursts” from Destiny to sound like the calm guy in the room. it’s a play on emotions and leaves a large part of the audience perceiving Cenk as the smart guy while perceiving Destiny as the emotional one, regardless of the actual facts. being overly aggressive in debates tend to leave the crowd believing you less, especially crowds that do not know you or somewhat disagree with your stance already.
Cenk was calm while Destiny was "emotional"? If that was your take away you're as delusional as Cenk. lol
With Cenk logic, does all native american of USA and Canada should go grab a gun and start an insurection ?
This!!!!!!!
USA still bombing their children?
All Cenk does is appeal to emotion. Over and over again.
It's pretty frustrating to listen to after his millionth tangent
Edit: It's not making his view any more right either
You're just blind to the facts
Cenk "All ancestral land .. I don’t care about your voodoo."
Cenk this is History. Jews ran the area and were kicked out by the Romans. Do you dispute that?
There has never been Palestinians running that area and there were never a people called Palestinian Arabs until the 1960s. This is historical fact, not voodoo.
The Jews arrived therw from eastern europe lol😂
The majority actually migrated from the surrounding arab states, but never mind, you tried.@netaji-thebritishslayer
@netaji-thebritishslayer Where were they before Eastern Europe?
Are you saying there is a limitation on historical links to indigenous rights? If so, what is that limitation? Is that limitation to indigenous rights only subjected to Jews or does that als9o apply to Arabs?
Were the Jews first to the land? No.
Did they have the longest tenure? No.
@@simontrober7487so native Americans have the right to expel Americans?
it occurred to me during this debate that arguing with Cenk is frustrating because all he does is straw man your position and then argue against it.
It’s what most people do who have no actual argument or integrity. It is quite frustrating.
And repeat the same shit over and over
So where is the strawmam occupation? What a joke, the aggresor is the one at fault you and others want to argue the nuances that came after the theft of land and forcful expulsion of the people who lived on that land. You just want to start the clock on October 7th.
What’s frustrating is you ppl having no empathy for Palestine. That is the real issue
He has been doing this ever since starting TYT.