Best attacker vs best defender in table tennis
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- Best attacker vs best defender
Ma Long vs Joo Sae-hyuk
Best attacker vs best defender in table tennis
The second version: • best defensive players...
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It's crazy how much spin JSH generates and how much speed he takes off those Ma Long smashes. Ma Long rips a shot as hard as humanly possible, and it comes back looking like it's in slow motion. Nutty.
I played ping pong to a decent level, and it's not that hard to chip back the opponent attack. You just stood far from the table, the his shot would slow down by the time it gets to you. But the challenge is getting it back into the table time after time, because when you're that far, the table appears a lot smaller to you.
I don't want to be that guy but if you understand physics, have an extensive background in ping pong, or a relatively decent level of critical thinking you'll see how it's actually not as difficult and impressive as you may think.
What's impressive is how he can be so consistently accurate (from both sides). I always find back spin hits to be much easier to control in basically any sport.
@@spin.chicken Which shows how skilled JSH was, returning low, with varied placement, and sometimes, even with so little time to react to Ma Long's vicious loop drives, he'd vary spin the way it fools the opponent and gets points for himself.
@Var vlad Yeh - but you can't spell, even in your native language. How "knowledgeable" is that.
@Var vlad it's just a discussion man relax
Table tennis is one of those sports, where when you compare how the elite pros play and how regular people play, it doesn't even look like the same sport
because most people on planet earth don't take table tennis seriously. Thats why.
One of the greatest, if not the greatest, match in table tennis. The level of skill to play those rallies and at those speeds and distances/angles was simply breath-taking let alone the incredible huge spin generated throughout. All sports have their opposites eg in boxing it's the fighter v the boxer, in snooker the potter v the safety player, etc and this is table tennis's battle of the styles. Such a pity someone had to lose but that's competition. Ironic that the Korean guy was more effective when he started to attack (best form of defence as the saying goes). Reminds me when the roles reversed and Sugar Ray turned into the fighter and hunted down Tommy Hearns to win by TKO back in '81.
When defensive player suddenly changes to attacking mode, it's always hard to predict for the usual offensive player, hence more effective.
@@yujie1973 true. I notice when people are used to fast attacks, if you start doing fast attacks and then suddenly change the pace to slower one they tend to mess up or vice versa
@@Aaron-ix8zh that's correct. i remember when i play defensive, my paddle is usually closer to my body, but when i am ready to attack, i will open up my arm more to allow for the strength to build up. Human is still human, you can't adjust from one posture to another and also mindfully ready for it in a split second.
@@yujie1973 ya that has to be trained and it has to be instinct. If you play people that switch between attack and defense often you’ll be really good. Playing a variety of different styles help
Changing your pattern especially in head to head situations at elite levels is effective across many disciplines. But you do have to set the pattern to be able to change it.
“This is what happens when an unstoppable force, meets an immovable mountain. “
ah yes was this a veritasium vid or vsauce vid or something else i forgot
@@aradhyajain2064 probably both
KUROKO NO BASKET
Immovable object* Its from batman. One of the Jokers better lines
@@eskilsundelid6240 it's not from batman lots of people said it before the joker said it
Joo was like a snake at times, so flexible in the way his body could contort and absorb some of the pace. Also so versatile in placement and spins, very few balls were returned the same way. Add to that his ability to suddenly turn defense into offense if the opportunity presented itself, very capable topspin drives and mid distance topspin rallies.
The most spectacular table tennis match I've ever seen! Stellar performance for both of them.
It’s interesting how different their playing styles were. Their almost like they were complimentary to each other, with the Korean extending the rallies and the Chinese maintaining the pressure.
Thats what we call hydrostatic equlibrium
Me, 5 minutes in: "these are the highlights, right?"
*Checks the score*
Me: "oh..."
Oh the whole game is a highlight
The male commentator is Wang Liqin who is the former No.1 forehand in the world.
who is more popular in china, Ma Long or Ding Liren?
@@dakotamiller6274 the pingpong spirit in china is huge, and not much chinese people know ding liren, it’s ma long
@@dakotamiller6274 absolutely malong.
@@dakotamiller6274 In china，table tennis is national ball，it has a wide audience. But not too much people follow chess. So Ma Long is more popular.
unbelivable forehand consistency of Ma long
Joo Sae-Hyuk is one of my favorite players. Possibly the best defence player ever the world has seen. Among the TT players, who revel at hitting top spin forehand and back hand at breath taking speeds, here is a guy who revels in lifting everything back to the table with unmistakable resilience and that deadly chop. I like him partially because I played like him (during college 3 decades ago) chopping everything and eventually winning. Hats off to this world class defence player.
He's the type of player we all hated Playing against haha
The " defender " has incredible REACTION !!! I played this fun game , it's not easy to defend powerful( crazy )shots made by MA LONG... It's an amazing show of talented players
It’s not about reaction time it’s about watching and predicting where they hit the ball
@@nekoelgin9700 It's all about perfect timing & eye, hand coordination.In short --reaction.
@@nekoelgin9700 That's called Reaction Time LMAO
@@nekoelgin9700 I think that you just get used to the speed of the ball, and what would be a fast ball for a normal person, is slow for you.
@@nekoelgin9700 that is exactly what reaction time is lmao
That forehand at 4:22 was just insane. One of the fastest shots I’ve seen.
Yes the speed it was in the slow replay was my speed in real life
This is what happens when defender attacks 😊😊
@@HareKrishanaa Yeah, I think he got a lot of points when he attacked. But that shot was "all or nothing" IMO
If you freeze frame it by pressing '.' a few times you can only see a blur where his arm is moving haha.
I calculated a rough estimate.
6 to 7 frames at 25fps over a length of 2.74m is equal to about 120-130km/h!
That is insane. The word record is about 120km/h so I think either the video or the framerate is inconsistent but holy moly that is one heck of a smash!
Ma Long’s consistency is too good it’s scary.
By the way, the male sportscaster is Wang Liqin, who was also the best forehand at his time.
What a great contest between 2 brilliant players!!! Thanks!
Jus twanted to say, I dont play table tennis but the video editor did a really good job by cutting only the points and nessecairly replays. Good job
Glad you enjoyed it!
except for the encoding glitches
@@Youda00008 I'm guessing that's permanent in the original footage they used
@@inktivate no
Its seems the attacker has thr advantage. The shots were easily planned and completely open to what and where he wanted the ball to go. A balanced playstyle is probably best, but heavy offense will beat heavy defense.
That's probably the reason why nowadays we have a new type of defensive player, the modern defender, who plays with a defensive and an offensive rubber and alternates between attacking and defending. This modern defender can keep up with the heavy attacker since he has the advantage of varying spin.
yes yes .. the defence is so elegant so much style so fast,..both real masters.....
greets.f.germany..
This is why I love being a defender in TT way back in college. Most people don't know defenders / back spinners pack a punch when it comes to spiking the ball back towards the attacker! Great performance by both player. 😊
Ma long is very good but i m really impressed wt Joo. His defence technique is simply mind blowing, although he prefers to play defensive his attack is equally at the best👍
i often practice defense, it's very demanding in terms of cardio (have to run more because further away from the table), legs and ....really hard on the back. But it really makes fun practice against an attacker and takes forever to get it right with inverted rubbers
defensive players just rely on unforce errors by the opponent, that is why seldom win with the offensive players. this is the hardest style in pingpong to be defensive player.
and most often they are the one who made mistake
coz - Your comment only shows that you have either little understanding of defensive play or what unforced error actually means.
@@ktosomcosom19 They mean unforced in the sense that, because defensive players put super heavy backspin on the ball with chops, attacking players will find it difficult to move their bat fast enough to create enough topspin so the ball doesn’t bounce down into the net or table. They have a lot of time to play the shot. Hence, the error is unforced - it is about technique.
@@locky244 it is not that simple that they just have to lift heavy backspin balls. The chop returns don't necessary carry a lot of backspin; they may have no spin whatsoever, hence why ML would overshoot the table with some of the loops.
@@ktosomcosom19 Yeah your right as well, but what I’m trying to say is defensive players (most of the time) do not force their opponents to make a mistake by playing with pace, different positioning, etc.
this is what we call A MATCH
Just a match.
I find it really cool that Ma Long's offense turned out to be a great weakness. Because he wasn't able to predict the shift when JSH does to his own offense, he stayed close to the table constantly to prepare for the next defensive return, but sometimes the ball would come back offensively, and he wasn't prepared for it at all.
this is why I think JSH lost. Because he started attacking frequently. This made it easier for Ma.
Most people underestimate the power of defensive players, as a defender player my self way back college i sometimes play 4-5 rallies as a defender and when an opportunity is found to attack the opponent they'd be caught off guard since they are used to the spin that the defensive player used before. Great play by both.
See how most of the score from JSH is him being offensive and getting Ma Long off guard thus resulting him to miss a calculation on how to counter attack after a spike
Attack play is mostly superior in these days but I still hope there will remain a few defenders as that duel is great to watch.
Defense is a observe play style. What I mean is the attacker in the first set he was winning so the defender had to learn his tricks. But that does not mean attacking is at a disadvantage as they can change their attacks or tactics.
Same goes to me. For me it will be more interesting a duel between attacker and defender. Every game will be a rally. Worth to watch
I don’t know if Ma Long is the GOAT or not, but Joo Sae-hyuk is definitely the greatest defensive player of all time. 👍
Awesome. Joo is very skilled. Chopping a heavy topspin with a non inverted rubber is not easy. That is why most defenders (like gionis or ruwen) just lob a heavy topspin ball most of the time on their non inverted rubber.
exceptional, i could watch this 100 times, the corean attacks were almost 100% lethal or winning at the end, unseen
нет слов. просто восхительно. уважение корейцу, он долго держался и не сдавался. особенно заметили как он в критические моменты брал и атаковал. обо гении просто. но китаец зверь!
4:23 Can't justify it. Just probably the sexiest shot I've seen, at least in a fair while.
What kind of mental strength do the players have.
The fact that these guys hands have motion blur frames like in animation shows how fast they're really going.
i must say when the defending guy made attack shots those were fast as hell
4:21
I like how JSH play mind games with his opponents. They have no idea when he’s gonna attack
@@usercs_2682 It's not mind games whatsoever, those attacks are indubitably fast but Ma Long doesn't give much opportunity for the guy to do so
I think he was using pips, could be wrong.
@@_blackheartemoji_2189 Yes, he used tenergy 64 (FH), the feint long three long pips (BH) and his own blade
I love watching the best athletes do what they do it’s amazing
I love how pumped Joo’s coaching team got on the sidelines😄
Ma long: Finally, a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary!
The Korean player is a monster. You can learn to attack, but you can’t learn to defend like him. It’s an innate skill, and when he wants to, he can attack very well, he’s smart, he has technique, it’s a pleasure to see him play.
So in reality which one useless? To me Ma Long is great.... Like Lin Dan in badminton
Who won the game?
@@Laker123abc The Chinese player (red), barely.
@@presence5692 easily
@@thomasli2237 its barely lmao
actually ma's defence with his BH right at his body and JSH's sudden change of intent to go for attack impressed me more.
Never forget the fact that in any sport the best defence is attack
This match reminds me of a very famous story. In ancient China, there was a man who sold both spears and shields. He boosted his spears were so good that they could break any shields. However, at the same time, he also bragged his shields were so strong that no spears could break them. One day, a by-stander challenged him to use his spears to attack his shields. At the end, that man was speechless. Ma is the attacker that can destroy any defender and Joo is the defender that no attacker can defeat. Everyone here is the by-stander who wants to know what will happen.
I am definitely that by stander they both are so skillful I was amused the entire video
this is called: what happens if an unstopable force meets an immovable object
lost in translation it seems
@@coengrutter spears =矛 shield=盾 矛盾= contradiction
I have also heard that story from a thousand wise Chinese short story book my grandpa bought me
gotta love Ma Long never making a sound win or lose :D Silent Assassin.
0:56 - 1:20 WTFFF THAT'S INSANE!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
It would be a pleasure for table tennis if there were more players like Joo Sae-hyuk. This match is more beautiful to see than a match of Ma Long versus Fan Zendong, Xu Xin, Harimoto, Niwa, Ovtcharov, Boll, Lin-Yun-Ju, Calderano and all the others.
No it is different, ML vs FZD is also beautiful
My favourite is Ma Long vs Xu Xin every single time.
It's more beautiful by your personal view. Very few would choose to watch Ma Long vs JSH over Ma Long vs Xu Xi
What an incredible performance from this Korean player, absolutely insane.
I had never heard of him but he’s right up there with the handful of very best players in the world.
yes his peak ranking was 5 iirc
Indeed the best offensive vs defensive match I ever seen. No other defensor today, who is danger for ML.
it's not defenSOR! It's defenSIST! 😆
@@assa1975 it's defender....
@@assa1975 actually it’s defenserist
@@syl860 defensistor ;)
To maintain the level of consistency on those 1,000 forehand loops from Ma Long without going fatigue and lose his mechanics is just simple incredible! Never seen a match like this before.
I’ve watched this match 4 times
WOW
This is the best table tennis match I've seen!😮, I just love how the Korean stood his ground very well👍...I'll just quit basketball and just play table tennis, its more exciting to watch.🔥
Off season.
Come to think of it, the most amazing part is that Ma Long has been playing at the top level for 12+ years...
Timo boll has entered the chat...
@@Coops321 and H2H between Tim and dictator?
@@greatzto Ma long wins any day, just in terms of longevity, Timo wins any day. 20 years in the top 10 is insane
@@Coops321 Timo is definitely a legend, but I doubt if he could still do the same if he were born in China. On the other side, the dictator can stay top in China for such a long time, on my mind that is even harder.
The Korean dude is 42 years old...
Incredible game, incredible players! Both deserve a lot of respect, but Ma Long is the best player of all times
Just like watching two great kung fu masters going at it with no restraints.
That was an epic battle between two really talented and very different players. Thankyou for uploading this!
Glad you enjoyed it!
spin a ball take a lot of energy, age really matters，great games for both of them
Without making less of Ma Long's speed and power, man those chops are what impressed me the most!!!
When JSH goes to attack, it's an ATTACK!!!
What is his Name?? Need it for school pls
@@juniorg1615 Joo Sae-Hyuk (you can find it in the description)
¿¿Maybe??, in this match should have attacked more.
This match shows again , that attack style win against defence in 21 centery , probably best defender can win good / avarage attacker . but when Best players meet each other , attacker will win . u can see this in all matches between Ma long vs Joo Sae-hyuk., 14-2 for Ma Long in all matches history
Great Match!!! Best players!!!
I need see this in HQ 60fps without pixelation!!!
That last set was something else
I like the strategy of turning from a defender to an attacker. Mind skills...
The crowd is absolutely awesome
People tend to forget how good is Ma Long's defense!
This is probably the best match I've ever seen.
just GREAT. congratulations to both!!!
The camera wasn’t glitching out, they just looked like that because they were so fast.
This is such an interesting match!
They were so good the cameras couldn't keep up
Xin fan here but I have to admit Ma Long's tenacity is on another level.
I'm more fan of Xin too. Xu Xin and Ma Long match is insane. 🔥❤️
Penholder never dies
One of the best match i have ever seen , defense Vs Attack
i love the audience. they made the game more interesting.
Because this is asiad 2014 in south Korea 😂😂
The amount of power ma long gets on his shots is insane
Que partido mas entretenido se me pasaron los 20 minutos sin darme cuenta, y vi a Ma Long incomodo con su oponente pero finalmente impuso su juego. Saludos y gracias por compartir este juego…
No es malong juega re bien bro.
🔥🔥🔥🔥
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Such contrasting styles and yet so much entertainment....best of defense versus offense.....the best match I saw
5:13 they became so fast even camera couldn't catch up their after image, phantom mode on table tennis!
Dude it's like in the movies! Lookin like CGI out here. Amazing match
joo sae-hyuk vs adam bobrow would be even more legendary
Третий раз пересматриваю это невероятное действо. Я заворожен искусством уникальных людей. Компьютерная анимация могла бы изобразить такие немыслимые действия, но чтобы это вытворяли живые люди?!...
i get the idea of playing to your strengths but when youre playing PURELY defensively, you have to be putting yourself at a disadvantage against someone whos so aggressive! its kind of like refusing to punch back in a fight and instead you just bob and weave, like yeah sooner or later the dudes gonna get tired but youre gonna get beat the hell up if you dont try and put the guy on his heels
as they say.."defense wins championship"... except for Ma Long. what an insane forehand. Great match. kudos to both.
I am a pure amateur TT attacker,, playing against a good defender can be very exhausting physically & mentally but it only makes you better.
18:08 So funny how the commentator actually tries to narrate it in real-time!
没比這更好看的桌球攻防經典比賽。
Take off my hat to the 2 excellent players!
Niesamowicie piekna gra z obu stron. Mało jest tak szybkich i sprawnych defensorów. Uwielbiam ogladac takie potyczki o różnych stylach gry, atak i obrona przeciwko sobie. Zenon z Warszawy.
16:17 those spins to return it wow
Joo Sae Hyuk had a crazy forehand for a pure defensive player
Like a warrior with 1 hell of a shield, and a nasty sword to go with it
As a tennis player I watch table tennis with amazement as their is no way I could do that
Defender is sooo patient and has such a good reaction and technique. But look, his most important points were scored in attack! So, if there is a question "which style is better", I'd say that attack definitely wins.
I think sudden change in dynamics wins. Korean guy defends so well and let the Chinese guy attacks, thus being close to the table. Then K attacks! That’s smart.
Crazy game, I've never seen game like this, so amazing!
Lol i was just watching all of Joo se hyuk matches and then you uploaded this 😅 True legends 🙌
Masa tenisinin güzelliği izlemesi çok zevkli maçtı Ma long gibi bir forehand kralına defans yapmak muhteşem
‘I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick over 10,000 times’
- Bruce Lee
one of the craziest table tennis match ever
Fun fact: JSH's blade is not for sale anymore almost ten years ago. Butterfly only produces a few per year just for him to play.
What so special about them that he dont want new model
@@m3zuss Chopper prefer consistency and control more than power and spin. The new blades are normally fiber-embeded which focus on speed and spin improvement.
That must be expensive as hell then
Смотрится на одном дыхании. Великолепно!
И главное 20 мин. Я не заметил
예전에 봤던 영상인데 지금도 재밌네
Ma Long is clearly dominant. The defender doesn't stand a chance! I don't know about the 'immovable mountain'!
And...as almost always, attacker wins..! 🤷♂️
Sometimes defender win too. For example if joo sae hyuk against people like u.
Joo beats lots of offensive players, he was consistently world number 4 and reaching semi and grand finals in ITTF world tours. You probably only see his matches against top players, particularly the Chinese who beat him simply because they are on another level
@@gab5012 exactly
@@gab5012 Like Ma Lin at the WTTC 2001? JSH also won matches against top Chinese Players.
@@meklon5 Yeah Joo can and has beaten top Chinese players, I think he even beat Ma Long (but that a very young and probably less experienced Ma Long). He has a really good record against Timo Boll and other world-class players too
incredible both players; congrats to the winner
Ma Long's forehand is so unfair! It's crazy! He generates so much spin that it's practically dipping for his opponent's side of the table before he even hits it. It feels like he could hit it straight up at escape velocity and it would STILL find his opponent's table.
Bernoulli’s principle really working like crazy in ping pong (and tennis)
What a play...they are deserves be the best!!