For those who think these were non-handicapped games between Ma Long and Liu Shiwen back in 2021, and wondered why the match was so close, you may have misunderstood what was actually going on. These were in fact warm-up matches between the Chinese men and the Chinese women team at the 2021 Olympics, designed to simulate the competitive settings where one might face a formidable opponent at some critical junctures in a match . What you are watching here was one of those warm-up matches. In the match, each game started with the score of 6-8, in favor of the female player. In other words, Liu Shiwen didn't have to win the first eight points in each game, leaving her to only need 3 more points (to 11) for the win (assuming that Ma Long couldn't catch up and even the score at 10-10 first). Although it may appear as if it was only a two-points advantage (the difference between 8 and 6), in reality the advantage for Liu Shiwen was much, much larger (anyone who truly understands table tennis and/or plays the sport at the competive level will be able to attest to this). In such a situation, Liu was in the position of someone who found herself up in points near the finish line, albeit against a much better opponent, and her goal was to find the strength and the focus to push through for the wins.
I was a little boy when the Chinese table tennis team came to the US in the 1970s. I was fortunate enough to get to meet some of the players and instantly fell in love with the sport. Today, I’m a big fan of Ma Long, but I really enjoyed watching Liu Shiwen play him. I particularly liked Liu’s tactics and style of play. Great job by both of them!!
i used the opportunity to start the college table tennis championship ciurcuit in columbia u around the pp diplomacy time. sorry, i thought pp is all chinese. pls use google translate to see the english vresion. 女孩的球一定要改到她们反应的优势。 不能一路被蛮力帮到底。 拍子也要改到为近台对持。 我正在实验 两只 最早和最晚的球。 将来可能又要日本来彻底的改变乒乓。 乒乓要变世界第一球， 男女一定要平等
I don't really understand why so many Chinese people blame Liu Shiwen on the internet just because she lost the mixed doubles game :((( She did her best to recover from the injury. As a Chinese, I am so proud of her and her spirit is rly inspirational.
Liu was playing really well to begin with. At one point of time, Liu had 8 points with Ma scoring the same amount. Ma made the adjustment and game over! Total points played: Ma Long 23:13 Liu Shiwen.
Many of the players are practically unknown outside China since they only participate in the local leagues, which are definitely the best and toughest in the world, and have no chance of competing internationally. Their standard is so high that if the rules were to allow unlimited number of players from one country to participate, the reserves from China will most probably beat the teams / players from most other countries participating in the Olympics and China will make a clean sweep of all the medals for single and double.
I'm not sure that's exactly true, ma long fzd and xu xin have great records against foreign players but other male players who have been able to play in tour events don't, Chinese players who defect in order to play internationally don't do that well either. China certainly dominates the highest level of competitive table tennis either way
Liu Shiwen' has this short burst, attacking close to the table playing style and it is very difficult to defend against that... Naturally, it took a while for Ma Long to adjust to this ... In the last set he was pretty relaxed... Both of them are my favorites... Liu Shiwen's game is super quick and awesome...
What I have observed: women stands closer to the table and takes the ball early using short strike. Men stands a bit farther and use full swing motion.
@@Belal22 no it's pretty accurate. Women stay closer to the table much more often than men. Men in general rely more on power on the ball, using full swing. Women tend to hit it sooner and play fast angles. Obviously there are exceptions but the general statement is accurate
Lol, hilarious how Ma Long casually walk(walk of shame) to the ball at 7:00 after getting smoked and sees his teammates laughing at him. He couldn't help but laugh himself!
Liu Shiwen got the chance to improve her game in case she plays against a really strong female opponent because no female players in the World play better than Ma Long does.
Duy nhất môn thể thao đối kháng này có thể thi đấu nam nữ một cách ngang ngửa cân bằng. Thật khâm phục các bạn nữ. Đánh cân bằng với nhà vô địch thế giới nam
It's interesting that Ma Long adjusted his playing style in this match. It's similiar to Timi Boll's one. More control than power-based. For example he doesn't play powerful FH topspin from the left corner but pushes the ball to the straight. Is it just for game with women or new chinese game philosophy?
It was to adjust to liu shiwen playstyle, playing powerful FH on the left would only leave the wide forehand open for counters that liu shiwen is really good at
Fan and Xu played very agressively which they made a lot mistakes too. Ma Long played more control style which makes less mistakes. That makes it hard to female players to win points
Since this is an olympic warmup, I guess this is a drill for men to handle the situation when they are down a few points against a weaker non-chinese player in the end of a game.
@@pingsunday So basically it was a sparring session faking the conditions at Olympics. But there will be no applause in Tokyo. No fans allowed... That is just toooo bad ! Athletes need the noise made by spectators. In such a conditions they might perform differently. (Less adrenalin LOL ).
@@pingsunday The women handled the men well. They only had a slight advantage. It's similar on the U.S, scene. The top U.S. women do well against the top U.S. men and in real tournament conditions. All TT events at all levels should be mixed. There's no need atall for single gender events.
So the female players are meant to imitate the non-Chinese male players? If that’s what you’re trying to say, then you’re talking nonsense. It was a fun event with the intention to get the players ready for game mode with refs and tournament situations. But the females certainly are not meant to imitate „weaker“ foreign players 😂
The levels only looks kind of even because of the handicaps and special rules. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the guys would win in landslides every time if they played full matches. There would be no simulation of pressure for the guys and it would be completely demoralizing for the girls. There would not be any useful preparation for any tournaments. That's why they don't do that.
Yea there isn’t that big of a gender difference in this sport but the men were still handicapped in these games, every set alternately started at 8-6 and 9-8 in favor of the female.
М-да-ааааа...... После просмотра этого видео я понял, что если мужскую сборную Китая по теннису ещё можно победить, то у женской сборной Китая по теннису конкурентов нет. Учитывая ТАКИХ спарринг партнёров!!!!
А разве счёт не начинается с 6:8 (мужчина/женщина), т.е. с гандикапом в два очка? Да и сам счёт 6:8, скорее всего, чтобы не утомлять игроков долгим набором очков.
For those who think these were non-handicapped games between Ma Long and Liu Shiwen back in 2021, and wondered why the match was so close, you may have misunderstood what was actually going on. These were in fact warm-up matches between the Chinese men and the Chinese women team at the 2021 Olympics, designed to simulate the competitive settings where one might face a formidable opponent at some critical junctures in a match . What you are watching here was one of those warm-up matches. In the match, each game started with the score of 6-8, in favor of the female player. In other words, Liu Shiwen didn't have to win the first eight points in each game, leaving her to only need 3 more points (to 11) for the win (assuming that Ma Long couldn't catch up and even the score at 10-10 first). Although it may appear as if it was only a two-points advantage (the difference between 8 and 6), in reality the advantage for Liu Shiwen was much, much larger (anyone who truly understands table tennis and/or plays the sport at the competive level will be able to attest to this). In such a situation, Liu was in the position of someone who found herself up in points near the finish line, albeit against a much better opponent, and her goal was to find the strength and the focus to push through for the wins.
Thanks, I was so confused
Finally I understand. But it should be somewhere mentioned or shown in the video. Anyway thanks for the info.
Cảm ơn bạn đã cho tôi biết điều mà tôi cần hỏi
Very good
@@AS004-xf4jc mentioned by chinese
I was a little boy when the Chinese table tennis team came to the US in the 1970s. I was fortunate enough to get to meet some of the players and instantly fell in love with the sport. Today, I’m a big fan of Ma Long, but I really enjoyed watching Liu Shiwen play him. I particularly liked Liu’s tactics and style of play. Great job by both of them!!
Wow,
Ora ngurus raimu
where is zhang jike?
Seeing Chinese pingpong national team, just like NBA players came to China, both are great sport and fun to watch
i used the opportunity to start the college table tennis championship ciurcuit in columbia u around the pp diplomacy time.
sorry, i thought pp is all chinese. pls use google translate to see the english vresion.
女孩的球一定要改到她们反应的优势。
不能一路被蛮力帮到底。
拍子也要改到为近台对持。
我正在实验 两只 最早和最晚的球。
将来可能又要日本来彻底的改变乒乓。
乒乓要变世界第一球，
男女一定要平等
I don't really understand why so many Chinese people blame Liu Shiwen on the internet just because she lost the mixed doubles game :((( She did her best to recover from the injury. As a Chinese, I am so proud of her and her spirit is rly inspirational.
Well, many people just like trolling, they have a sad life and they need to vent and this is probably their way to vent
These fuckers already win everything and can't lose a single final that they start complaing
I love how the people are standing up every time they have time out/new game. Lots of respect for players.
really men vs women? that was absolutely spectacular! first time see Ma Long smiling after the match
25:58 love that smile between both of them. ❤️
They can make super ping pong babies later.
@@thedeadbaby 🤣😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Да ,мне тоже нравится ихняя улыбчивость в конце
Great couple
That final smile between them puts a smile on us 💕
Liu was playing really well to begin with. At one point of time, Liu had 8 points with Ma scoring the same amount. Ma made the adjustment and game over! Total points played: Ma Long 23:13 Liu Shiwen.
Many of the players are practically unknown outside China since they only participate in the local leagues, which are definitely the best and toughest in the world, and have no chance of competing internationally. Their standard is so high that if the rules were to allow unlimited number of players from one country to participate, the reserves from China will most probably beat the teams / players from most other countries participating in the Olympics and China will make a clean sweep of all the medals for single and double.
I highly believe so,,, it's like any of the unknown guys on the bench could beat any of the top european players
just like they did in 2008
Thats what happens anyways😂
Just like bball and usa
I'm not sure that's exactly true, ma long fzd and xu xin have great records against foreign players but other male players who have been able to play in tour events don't, Chinese players who defect in order to play internationally don't do that well either. China certainly dominates the highest level of competitive table tennis either way
Liu Shiwen' has this short burst, attacking close to the table playing style and it is very difficult to defend against that... Naturally, it took a while for Ma Long to adjust to this ... In the last set he was pretty relaxed... Both of them are my favorites... Liu Shiwen's game is super quick and awesome...
Several gold medalists in the room, fan, xu xin,etc.
I noticed that asap because i have a friend that plays the style and thought to myself he needed tô approach the net
Что сейчас с Lui, почему она не играет и не в команде, напишите мне ответ, кто знает.
@@ACABify谢谢您的关心， 刘诗雯已经退役了，现在精力在于培养青年运动员和推广乒乓球运动。
That Ma Long smile @7:02 wraps up the game for me.❤️
Hahhaha that was when even his team mates acknowledged the genius of his opponent
What I have observed: women stands closer to the table and takes the ball early using short strike. Men stands a bit farther and use full swing motion.
Depends on the person not the sex😂
@@Belal22 no it's pretty accurate. Women stay closer to the table much more often than men. Men in general rely more on power on the ball, using full swing. Women tend to hit it sooner and play fast angles. Obviously there are exceptions but the general statement is accurate
wonder how many gold medals in this room
They taking Olympic gold back to my motherland China
Well... 80+
一帮国人在交流还用英语累不累
not only gold medals but also world number oneSSSSSSS, so crazy
@@蔡捕头-f5n 特累
Whenever ma long losses a point, Xu xin laugh in a very funny way😂😂
Probably because Xu lost his match
@@techshortcuts4924 lmaooooo
Yeah because they lose points on purpose
@@Urketadic No, they most certainly don't
@@kaivalyaarora5983 they actually do lmao 🤡
13:44 Watch Ma Long's prediction as he moved right a step, which I guess is why he won the point
That was hilarious
대단한 선수들입니다.
그리고 대단함과 행복이 같이 있엇으면 좋겠습니다.
2:34 man.. that’s a lot of world champions in one shot
@Tania Lau it’s not what he said though
where is zhang jike?
Lol, hilarious how Ma Long casually walk(walk of shame) to the ball at 7:00 after getting smoked and sees his teammates laughing at him. He couldn't help but laugh himself!
Ma Long has the best serve in the game!
Liu Shiwen got the chance to improve her game in case she plays against a really strong female opponent because no female players in the World play better than Ma Long does.
I agree. It benefits more women than men.
Haha, I think it is probably more correct to say "because no players in the World play better than Ma Long does".
Ma Long is not the best player in the World. He did lose to Fang Zhandong and a few other Chinese male players.
@@tomtimor9789 You should have written like this: I agree it benefits women more than it does to men.
No male player in the world plays better than Ma Long does 😉
The score starts at 6:8. I think it significantly limits the stronger side
No shit!
That’s the whole point, they want to train them to play under pressure.
Duy nhất môn thể thao đối kháng này có thể thi đấu nam nữ một cách ngang ngửa cân bằng. Thật khâm phục các bạn nữ. Đánh cân bằng với nhà vô địch thế giới nam
Start off Women 8 Men 6
fun! thank you for posting.
Который раз пересматриваю, каждый раз огромное удовольствие🙂
6:48 damn the speed
It's a treat to watch man vs women.. ❤️❤️❤️.. though in totality women will remain superpower..nature law.i lov table tennis...
What the women played with a 2 point advantage in start
And the FINAL among the winners? please upload the video the final among the winners ...
Thank you for liking my comment, Mr.? Ms.? PingSundayEmRatThich!😊
No problem 😊I'm Mr. EmRatThich
@@pingsunday Yes, all right, Mr!😁
And can u post your vid while u r playing
did I miss something?? why the match starts with 6 - 8 score??
Yes the women have advantage at start
It's interesting that Ma Long adjusted his playing style in this match. It's similiar to Timi Boll's one. More control than power-based. For example he doesn't play powerful FH topspin from the left corner but pushes the ball to the straight. Is it just for game with women or new chinese game philosophy?
I think Ma just tried to fool Liu. She was so prepared to receive the side spin.
Yea men let women win points, its game for fun
Dude we have the same name
It was to adjust to liu shiwen playstyle, playing powerful FH on the left would only leave the wide forehand open for counters that liu shiwen is really good at
Discipline is the key to success..look at the supporters of both players..
facts: anyone of here stand a chance to get olympic gold medals....
Chen Qi's reaction at 7:00 and 7:15... He's laughing his ass off
Even Ma Long smiled😝
He is the coach of the women's team~~||
@@002ttdkx9 well done after he was sent to feed pigs for a week
ma long's style is nightmare for woman top players
Ma Long game play is unpredictable..even their women's coach dont know how to beat The Dragon Ma for sure... 💪💪
Fan and Xu played very agressively which they made a lot mistakes too. Ma Long played more control style which makes less mistakes. That makes it hard to female players to win points
@@Aku-mg2go ma long has the same exact style as female players but with a males body and athletism
@@qidongxu7339 makes it hard for any opponent not just women
How serious and united Chinese players are！
其實男和女這樣對賽真的很好看，很有意思，希望將來有機會成為奥運項目
我也希望
很好看哈哈
但是即使有分差
男女賽事還是會有不公平的情況出現
技術不分高低，但男性的臂展比女性大，耐力也更好。
@@Maluis06 什麼不公平情況？
Liu Shiwen is so pretty, too bad she is retired, miss her.
马龙VS刘诗雯和前两对的套路是一样的！
Liu's shirt is very cool. Really like the design. 🔥
日本でもお祭りではなく真剣な男女戦やってほしいと強く希望します
このハンデの付け方といい真剣モードな中にもどちらが勝ってもハッピーな感じ最高なビッグイベントだと思います
もし生で見れたらお客さんも絶対に喜ぶ
東京五輪では日本の次に中国を応援させて頂きます
中国語に翻訳できますか
@@jushingtam3599
I'm sorry☆
@@jushingtam3599 他的意思是“强烈希望日本也举行这种认真的男女对战，而不是那种庙会活动。虽然有差分规则，我想在这种认真的对战模式下不管哪边赢都肯定会让人高兴，成为很棒的大型活动。如果能在现场看肯定观众也会很兴奋。东奥会里日本的下一个我支持中国。”
ハンデがあるのですか？この試合に
中国語がわからない
@@細川鉄平 我が国じゃ無理だべ。女子が男子より強いからねえ…～
Прекрасное шоу в исполнении великих! К тому же здорово снято.
No wonder why they called The Great Wall...Their superpower of pingpong truly unlimitted
They called the Great Wall "The Great Wall" because it is a great wall.
中国女乒多产魔王.....我想这是传统练习,只是现在公开了,非常有观赏性,增加乒乓球的趣味度.非常棒,刘胖真👍
How many points the female allowed to start at of each game?
15:19 -- Liu in the background: nice shot young man
7:02 boys are happy
Since this is an olympic warmup, I guess this is a drill for men to handle the situation when they are down a few points against a weaker non-chinese player in the end of a game.
Exactly. You a have a sharp eye. That's why the game started at 8-9.
@@pingsunday So basically it was a sparring session faking the conditions at Olympics. But there will be no applause in Tokyo. No fans allowed... That is just toooo bad ! Athletes need the noise made by spectators. In such a conditions they might perform differently. (Less adrenalin LOL ).
@@pingsunday The women handled the men well. They only had a slight advantage. It's similar on the U.S, scene. The top U.S. women do well against the top U.S. men and in real tournament conditions.
All TT events at all levels should be mixed. There's no need atall for single gender events.
So the female players are meant to imitate the non-Chinese male players? If that’s what you’re trying to say, then you’re talking nonsense. It was a fun event with the intention to get the players ready for game mode with refs and tournament situations. But the females certainly are not meant to imitate „weaker“ foreign players 😂
@@peterreid9769 It's not a slight advantage when it is so close to match points.
Just waiting for a team match of
Ma long, fan zhendong, xu xin,
Vs
Chen meng, liu shiwen, ding ning
Ding Ning ended her TT career because she wanted to study at university.
I know pretty sad but she will come back
@@abhirplays411 not really
Wang manyu is a better one.
Sympathisch finde ich die Feixerei auf den Bänken 🙂
Ma Long has a killer smile at 25.56-26.00. :)
劉詩雯左手捧球姿勢真好看。
Ма Лонг просто поигрался с ней, давал фору, а когда надо было показывал уровень...
Ma Long is a gentleman, i didn’t want to humiliate her.
Китайское шоу. Даёт девочке поиграть, даже выиграть где-то. Ну девочка играет классс. Я так не могу
Fan and XX trying not to laugh @ 4:04.
Was this the same tournament where Lin Dan played a few rallies with a badminton racket?
Dont know but Lin Dan is for me in the same category as Djokovic, Federer, Nadal, Jahangir and Jansher Khan.
Ma long really went eay on her.. this man played 6 sets and not sweating at all and also smiling at the end
How many points were the odds in each game? 8?
That's what I was thinking 😂
Odd-numbered sets start at 8-6, even ones at 9-8, in favour of the women.
Ma Long is the most incredible human being.
LOL how did you figure that?
And Djokovic
@@heartmind4267 what the 😄
29 seconds whats the song name playing in the background?
I love this training method.
Ma Long was playing at 60%
For context, I believe Liu Shiwen is Ma Longs best friend on the women's side. That's why they grin and smile a lot in this match
17:00 No mercy as he just snipes her with that smash when he lifts his posture/stance up 😅😂
Did Ma long start with a point disadvantage, or was she able to score that many points against him?
The game starts with 6-8 and 2 points advantages for women
@@pingsunday. why ?
@@winningwinny51 It is called fairness. That's the minimum the men could do.
@@canicetang8837 Another purpose is to test how they handle end games under pressure.
All male players started with 1-2 points disadvantage.
Would be nice to see a full match from both👌
给刘诗雯点赞！❤️
Who are the gentlemen coaching both men and women's teams?
The way they smile at each other in the end is so cute
Thank you
Congrats ma long, well played even with the disadvantage
Why don't we see them play full matches and host mixed tournaments? The level is clearly almost even and it is good practice.
The levels only looks kind of even because of the handicaps and special rules. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the guys would win in landslides every time if they played full matches. There would be no simulation of pressure for the guys and it would be completely demoralizing for the girls. There would not be any useful preparation for any tournaments. That's why they don't do that.
the men is much bttr in a full matches game
Yea there isn’t that big of a gender difference in this sport but the men were still handicapped in these games, every set alternately started at 8-6 and 9-8 in favor of the female.
Yeah in your delusional mind the level is the same, in reality top 200 male player will brat number 1 female player.
@@artkirakosyan2633 Wouldn't say that the top 200 met are better than the top woman.
They're both the best Table tennis players in the world.
裁判员说英文“擦网”的发音不对。把网说成了光。
Уважение- встаёт тренер, встают все
awesome match
smile 25:59 . nice!
I'm impressed by how close this is
М-да-ааааа...... После просмотра этого видео я понял, что если мужскую сборную Китая по теннису ещё можно победить, то у женской сборной Китая по теннису конкурентов нет. Учитывая ТАКИХ спарринг партнёров!!!!
Я не понимаю, кто выиграл этот матч?
@@chigishan5799
Когда встречаются мужская с женской сборной, женщинам изначально дают ФОРУ В 8 мячей!!!
@@СамоучкаДмитрий аааа, спасибо за ответ
А разве счёт не начинается с 6:8 (мужчина/женщина), т.е. с гандикапом в два очка? Да и сам счёт 6:8, скорее всего, чтобы не утомлять игроков долгим набором очков.
What scoring system is this?
为啥刘国梁做中间，休息时一言不发？
At the end of this video you all will bless to see the rare smile of Ma long..😍😍
I think table tennis is one of only a few sport arts where the differences of performance between men and women is not that big.
I loved the play( the theatre)
小棗太可愛
who is the winner men or woman
Watching the best clan of this sport
Estou capitando conhecimentos para ensinar as crianças da minha comunidade, Salvador Bahia.
Muito bom.
I wish Wang Hao and Ma Lin back on the table.
They are not good enough and are too old to play against the current players.
doanh nguyen wang hao is fan zhendongs coach and sometimes rallies with him
its interesting they do that, and intersting it was so close
It wasn't that close actually. In a normal match probably 11-5, 11-5, 11-5, 11-5 to Ma Long. Or something similar.
Great to see such enthu for TT in one forum
Why does the score does not start from 0?
The best part was 25:56
The art of how to beat someone 1/4 your strength without humiliating her..
why do they start the game at 8-6 for the women?
Why does Liu Shiwen's score counter always start at 9? Is she getting a headstart for being hot? On a serious note, nice match.
I have explained it in the video "critical situation". You can search for it
Is he making it close on purpose? I expected the difference in level to be much bigger.
Yes hes holding back a lot
ya also they gave the woman extra points because if it was 0-0 ma long will easily beat her
why does men v women game always start with men handicap?
Masters at work