Maybe a small addition (or correction?). For the Active+, the 20% discount is applied to the Go tarrif and not the CPO tarrif. The Go tarrif is sometimes insanely high, 20-45% over CPO, so is almost always more expensive to use the Toyota card.
@Bjørn Nyland A correction about Elbilforeningen's RFID tag: With the *new* (blue) one you do *not* need to register with every operator as this is done automatically for you.
I think the BZ4X is a great looking car but even as someone who rarely does long road trips the thought of the silly punishment points and unnecessary restrictions on charging when I do make multi day journeys needing high speed DC charging put me off buying one. Pity because here in the U.K. there are some fantastic deals on these and the Solterra and the Lexus versions at the moment - even my local branch of Enterprise car rental has a line of Solterras out front waiting for customers to rent them.
You do? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suppose. I think it's hateful, inside and out. There's a reason why there are good deals on them. They are very undesirable cars.
I facepalmed when i heard about it. It's adding so much complexity to something already complex enough, for so little. It's definitely not worth it. + even though it's negligeable, it's a very inneficient way to produce heat.
@@xmtxx It's probably like a heated seat or wheel. 90+ % efficient but very small wattage for such a small panel. Acceptable draw I think, if it provides instant heat in a cold country like Norway/North America etc
Hi Bjorn, when you get a chance, can you test the 2024 AWD varraint and see if they truly did improve max charging speeds from 100kw to 150kw as well the improved cold weather charging?
Ionity overhere is absurdly expensive to use. Around 0,8€ per kWh, is absurd. Estimated cost for a 10 to 80% charge on a M3 LR is around 48€..on a different CPO it would cost around 22€. Unless you're really on a tight timeline or there is nothing else available, no one uses these chargers.
If you don't care about pricing and just want one app then Elton or Northe is probably the way to go. Both cover most CPOs except Tesla, Circle K and Eviny. Elton have some monthly options that get you 30% discount, but you need to charge a lot. 350kWh for 419 NOK/month is the smallest option.
Thanks Bjorn for this update… it takes only 22 kW at 75% state of charge… 2 hours left from 75 to 100% that’s crazy in 2024… only upside is 10 years warranty on the battery
Your first mistake is trusting Renault on EV. They have shown, over time, how bad they are, at it. Remember, the whole renting your battery scheme? Well, that didn't aged well...
So Toyota just joined Digital Charging solution like BMW, MB, VW group, Kia/Hyundai and Ford.. BMW has currently the best prices for IONITY charging, probably due to BMWs share in the company.. Only problem with IONITY is the few stalls they have per station compared to Tesla ..
Hey Wassup, do you know if BZ4X slash Subaru Solterra USA still has charging-gate where it accumulates fast-charging credits and will throttle for a certain amount of time before restoring decent speed, just because? I hope they have eliminated that, the only car to have a credit accumlation system for fast charging despite if battery pack is correct temperatures.
According to EU regulations, every charger should be equipped with a contactless payment terminal. In reality, almost none are (we ignore the fact Norway is outside the EU for the argument). And in most places, payment with card is more expensive than signing up for a charge deal. I'm currently at 4 RFID cards + their apps + Tesla app. It doesn't matter that much to me but when someone asks me about charging, I already start to cringe because I have to explain that madness too them. Still the worst part about charging. That being said, I had one charging stop in Germany, where payment by debit / credit card was cheaper than with any RFID card I had. When I noticed that, I stopped the charge immediately and tapped my bank card (I think my subscription accounted for 0.50€/kWh where as the ad-hoc price was 0.39€/kWh, and it was a Hypercharger with 200+kW). Needless to say, I charged to full.
Been renting previous year model (well, Subaru Solterra but it should be the same) in the winter. Abysmal charging speeds. Got max 60 but usually more around 30. I feel you don't emphasize enough how bad it is in modern age (maybe you did in your previous year review...).
I am not sure those universal cards are good deal. I got Electroverse card from my electricity suplier in UK with £10 credit and I supposedly get 10% discount and can be used in Europe.. I have not used it as I get free Tesla supercharging but couple of years ago when I was going to Latvia I was checking out local chargers in Lithuania and comparing prices to Electroverse. Prices on local apps were €0.20-0.22/kwh or but on Electroverse the same charger was €0.35/kwh
How about an even more convenient charging experience.....Tesla supercharger where you just plug it in and walk away... if you are driving a Tesla of course. You don't even have to carry a card.
I have no idea why the traditional car makers don't place chargers at each dealer location. I know that those are third party companies and so on but as they force them in order to have the license to sell and service cars of that brand, to have certain tools and amenities it can just be "in order to sell electric cars you need to provide at least one charging station" or whatever. they have large dearlership networks but hey lack the brains in making this happen which to me is a way simpler solution than cards and deals with 10 different stations in just one country.... they are pretty much doomed
@@swecreations I know but that is a shitty solution to a big issue when you adventure in the ev ownership realm. Anyone who owned a Tesla knows how bad is the non supercharger experience…apps rfids nfcs work bad as opposed to plugging in your car and that’s it
I pitched this at a Subaru/VW dealership down the road where I've purchased all my cars for the last 20 years. About a year before the VW EV's started shipping and the Solterra was announced, I went in to explain how important having at least a few Level 2 cords in customer parking spots would be and that the longer people were there the more they would shop. Nobody there could wrap their head around what I was talking about. They eventually quit selling VW's and finally got one Level 2 charger for Solterras -- sad.
Even if you can not use the Toyota Charging Service with TESLA, you can use this single Card&Contract all over Europe and do not have to deal with local providers. Just drive&charge everywhere. (Except Tesla 🤷🏼)
@@trippplefive checked: true BUT in all countries Model 3 had low sale figures because of the change to highland and the huge impact of Model Y but also true: the bz4x was inpressively successful in Notway
Toyota is rolling out a smaller SUV in Europe (bZ3X), a larger SUV in the United States (bZ5X with both vehicle & batteries produced there, so it will be eligible for tax-credits), and a full-bed pickup (Hilux) in other markets. Don't overlook the 2024 upgrade just delivered for bZ4X and the upgrade scheduled for 2025, followed by the next-gen rollout in 2026. Claiming "obvious hate" doesn't really make any sense.
@@trippplefiveI bet a lot of the ones sold were bought to be used as taxis and/or company cars. Toyota taxis are very common in the Nordic countries, after all. Also very common as a taxi cab here in Estonia as well.
@@tesla-spectreexcuses excuses. Any other time it’s brag about Tesla sales and beat your chest but any good news for Toyota and you can’t give them credit and realize not everyone wants a tesla
Charging a car should be like filling your gas tank and you should be able to use a credit card or bank card and not sign up for all these aps and all the other garbage and then they don't work anyway.
Imagine that in 10 years Tesla goes backrupt (unable to keep the self driving promises or get distanced by competition), and so it is not possible to maintain Tesla cars. And Toyota, the biggest car manufacturer in the world, is still there, your battery degradation is less than 10%, and it was overall pretty cheap to maintain it for 10 years.
So Toyota has copied Charge My Hyundai… Haven’t used the card since the first year with 1,69 NOK/kWh at Ionity ended. Tesla SC or Ionity Passport is usually cheaper anyways (depending on how much you charge)
It looks that Toyota hates its BEV and its customers. No improvement over one year, while Zeekr is adding its new golden battery to the 001... Some in Toyotas head must be wired wrong. 🤣
@@KubaYa1411 Well, not really. Nokia knew that, in the future, cell phones would replace much computer use, for mainstream. They just sucked at developping the OS. It's more of a kodak analogy. They pioneered the thing, but refused to follow up on it.
Your lucky, here in Sweden few of us can do that, don't have a house and the building association don't have chargers and cannot charge at work either and my time is precious....
@@john1701a good luck living "long" with such a bad EV. I believe that this car will be the reason many people (unfortunate owners) will complain that EVs are sh*t because of their bad experience with the bz4x. I sincerely hope I'll get wrong, but my experience shows differently.
That horrid black plastic wheel arch cladding absolutely has to go - don’t get the Toyota stylists over the last few years with their ridiculously oversized grilles and now this. The new 4Runner is likewise cursed with the same hideous cladding.
If you want an EV Toyota is not were you should spend your money they are definitely not taking EV seriously by now they should be a leader in EV's and they aren't even close if you want real EV then your choice should be a Tesla. It's gonna take Toyota another 10 years to come even close to what Tesla has and it'll be yet to be seen if they'll still be around by then making these kind of choices.
Of course it is NOT worth. How much does this cost?! And think do yourself, Toyota is anti EV, just like Nissan and Honda. And we have the past showing Nissan sabotaged their EVs with "badly enginereed" cars, even the Aryia was involved in scandal with defects and recalls and redo. So was the Toyota b$#^ whatever nonsense name it has, also plagued with defects. Who in their right mind would consider it?! The idea of an EV is you buy now and that is it. You don't have any problems with the EV tech, because it's technologically impossible to screw up, unless you INTENTIONALLY "screw up". Is not a new tech. Electric motors and batteries have been around for a long time, just not in standalone cars. But the cars quite literally imported the battery tech from laptops and other mobile electronics and thus decades of knowhow in making longh lasting reliable battery powered stuff. Same goes for electric motors, even longer time. You'd have to be mentally challenged to buy any japanese (or friends - aka GM) EVs, as they have proven they are anti EV and will stop at nothing to ruin this tech tree, thus making customers suffer the ownership one of these vehicles. Maybe if they asked half of a tesla model y, you'd consider it
@@john1701a The specs on this thing would have been competitive with a model S back then. It would have sold brilliantly back then because, as you said, it is an AWD SUV. Today it's specs are subpar with other AWD SUV EVs in today's market. All this shows is that Toyota seems incapable of creating a competitively featured, competitively priced EV. Remember we are talking Toyota here.... not some start up.
Maybe a small addition (or correction?). For the Active+, the 20% discount is applied to the Go tarrif and not the CPO tarrif. The Go tarrif is sometimes insanely high, 20-45% over CPO, so is almost always more expensive to use the Toyota card.
Thanks for the update Bjorn. All the best.
How is the charging speed on the 2024 model compared to the 2023 model now in cold weather?
@Bjørn Nyland A correction about Elbilforeningen's RFID tag: With the *new* (blue) one you do *not* need to register with every operator as this is done automatically for you.
Hi Bjorn, love your review’s you’re a real one!
I think the BZ4X is a great looking car but even as someone who rarely does long road trips the thought of the silly punishment points and unnecessary restrictions on charging when I do make multi day journeys needing high speed DC charging put me off buying one. Pity because here in the U.K. there are some fantastic deals on these and the Solterra and the Lexus versions at the moment - even my local branch of Enterprise car rental has a line of Solterras out front waiting for customers to rent them.
You can get a Tesla model Y cheaper and better!
You do? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suppose. I think it's hateful, inside and out. There's a reason why there are good deals on them. They are very undesirable cars.
it is very very ugly
@@antonioknoni if you don’t want a Tesla. The price doesn’t matter.
The charging speed and curve are the same between 23MY AWD and 24MY AWD even though the 2024 AWD is now rated for 150kW charging?
Ir heaters, smart move
I facepalmed when i heard about it.
It's adding so much complexity to something already complex enough, for so little. It's definitely not worth it. + even though it's negligeable, it's a very inneficient way to produce heat.
@@xmtxx It's probably like a heated seat or wheel. 90+ % efficient but very small wattage for such a small panel. Acceptable draw I think, if it provides instant heat in a cold country like Norway/North America etc
@@IanMcc1000 yeah, producing heat at 90% efficiency, is very bad.
It should be 200-400%.
I already addressed all your points.
Hi Bjorn, when you get a chance, can you test the 2024 AWD varraint and see if they truly did improve max charging speeds from 100kw to 150kw as well the improved cold weather charging?
How about Credit Card, Debit Card, or Cash?
Have you not noticed the card holder for the charge card.. to your left under the steering wheel near the door.. small slot.
Hello ! what is the name of the program with which we monitor how many KW the battery is charged with?
Ionity overhere is absurdly expensive to use.
Around 0,8€ per kWh, is absurd.
Estimated cost for a 10 to 80% charge on a M3 LR is around 48€..on a different CPO it would cost around 22€.
Unless you're really on a tight timeline or there is nothing else available, no one uses these chargers.
If you don't care about pricing and just want one app then Elton or Northe is probably the way to go. Both cover most CPOs except Tesla, Circle K and Eviny.
Elton have some monthly options that get you 30% discount, but you need to charge a lot. 350kWh for 419 NOK/month is the smallest option.
Thanks Bjorn for this update… it takes only 22 kW at 75% state of charge… 2 hours left from 75 to 100% that’s crazy in 2024… only upside is 10 years warranty on the battery
Battery was cold. Many cars will charge this slow. It's not unique only for Toyota.
@@bjornnyland thanks for your clarification
In 2017 I bought a Zoe with the promise of this sort of deal coming very soon from Renault. I have a feeling it still doesn't exist..
it still doesn't exist
Your first mistake is trusting Renault on EV.
They have shown, over time, how bad they are, at it.
Remember, the whole renting your battery scheme?
Well, that didn't aged well...
So Toyota just joined Digital Charging solution like BMW, MB, VW group, Kia/Hyundai and Ford.. BMW has currently the best prices for IONITY charging, probably due to BMWs share in the company.. Only problem with IONITY is the few stalls they have per station compared to Tesla ..
thanks for update
Hey Wassup, do you know if BZ4X slash Subaru Solterra USA still has charging-gate where it accumulates fast-charging credits and will throttle for a certain amount of time before restoring decent speed, just because? I hope they have eliminated that, the only car to have a credit accumlation system for fast charging despite if battery pack is correct temperatures.
According to EU regulations, every charger should be equipped with a contactless payment terminal. In reality, almost none are (we ignore the fact Norway is outside the EU for the argument). And in most places, payment with card is more expensive than signing up for a charge deal. I'm currently at 4 RFID cards + their apps + Tesla app. It doesn't matter that much to me but when someone asks me about charging, I already start to cringe because I have to explain that madness too them. Still the worst part about charging.
That being said, I had one charging stop in Germany, where payment by debit / credit card was cheaper than with any RFID card I had. When I noticed that, I stopped the charge immediately and tapped my bank card (I think my subscription accounted for 0.50€/kWh where as the ad-hoc price was 0.39€/kWh, and it was a Hypercharger with 200+kW). Needless to say, I charged to full.
Hi Bjorn, it would be super appreciated if you could range test the new TMY RWD LR.
Been renting previous year model (well, Subaru Solterra but it should be the same) in the winter. Abysmal charging speeds. Got max 60 but usually more around 30. I feel you don't emphasize enough how bad it is in modern age (maybe you did in your previous year review...).
I am not sure those universal cards are good deal. I got Electroverse card from my electricity suplier in UK with £10 credit and I supposedly get 10% discount and can be used in Europe.. I have not used it as I get free Tesla supercharging but couple of years ago when I was going to Latvia I was checking out local chargers in Lithuania and comparing prices to Electroverse. Prices on local apps were €0.20-0.22/kwh or but on Electroverse the same charger was €0.35/kwh
Painful! I've seen better charging with my old Nissan Leaf!
How about an even more convenient charging experience.....Tesla supercharger where you just plug it in and walk away... if you are driving a Tesla of course. You don't even have to carry a card.
I have no idea why the traditional car makers don't place chargers at each dealer location. I know that those are third party companies and so on but as they force them in order to have the license to sell and service cars of that brand, to have certain tools and amenities it can just be "in order to sell electric cars you need to provide at least one charging station" or whatever. they have large dearlership networks but hey lack the brains in making this happen which to me is a way simpler solution than cards and deals with 10 different stations in just one country.... they are pretty much doomed
Many car brands do provide a charging card that is connected to a network of almost all EV chargers.
@@swecreations I know but that is a shitty solution to a big issue when you adventure in the ev ownership realm. Anyone who owned a Tesla knows how bad is the non supercharger experience…apps rfids nfcs work bad as opposed to plugging in your car and that’s it
I pitched this at a Subaru/VW dealership down the road where I've purchased all my cars for the last 20 years. About a year before the VW EV's started shipping and the Solterra was announced, I went in to explain how important having at least a few Level 2 cords in customer parking spots would be and that the longer people were there the more they would shop. Nobody there could wrap their head around what I was talking about. They eventually quit selling VW's and finally got one Level 2 charger for Solterras -- sad.
A car for Toyota fan boys only. Any discerning EV buyer would avoid it like the plague.
Even if you can not use the Toyota Charging Service with TESLA, you can use this single Card&Contract all over Europe and do not have to deal with local providers. Just drive&charge everywhere. (Except Tesla 🤷🏼)
hmm cash please, nice and easy
whoever buys a Toyota BEV must be a very brave person. you buy what the producer obviously hates, so how can it be a good product 😂
toyota sold more bz4xs in norway vs tesla model 3 in 2023… does that cause people’s sphincter to pucker up?
@@trippplefive checked: true BUT in all countries Model 3 had low sale figures because of the change to highland and the huge impact of Model Y
but also true: the bz4x was inpressively successful in Notway
Toyota is rolling out a smaller SUV in Europe (bZ3X), a larger SUV in the United States (bZ5X with both vehicle & batteries produced there, so it will be eligible for tax-credits), and a full-bed pickup (Hilux) in other markets. Don't overlook the 2024 upgrade just delivered for bZ4X and the upgrade scheduled for 2025, followed by the next-gen rollout in 2026. Claiming "obvious hate" doesn't really make any sense.
@@trippplefiveI bet a lot of the ones sold were bought to be used as taxis and/or company cars. Toyota taxis are very common in the Nordic countries, after all. Also very common as a taxi cab here in Estonia as well.
@@tesla-spectreexcuses excuses. Any other time it’s brag about Tesla sales and beat your chest but any good news for Toyota and you can’t give them credit and realize not everyone wants a tesla
I am still not getting it - how can the decision makers in Toyota still sleep when they are messing up the EV journey so much...
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Charging a car should be like filling your gas tank and you should be able to use a credit card or bank card and not sign up for all these aps and all the other garbage and then they don't work anyway.
Imagine that in 10 years Tesla goes backrupt (unable to keep the self driving promises or get distanced by competition), and so it is not possible to maintain Tesla cars. And Toyota, the biggest car manufacturer in the world, is still there, your battery degradation is less than 10%, and it was overall pretty cheap to maintain it for 10 years.
You have an astonishing imagination!
Well, you should buy a self-charging hybrid😂😅
You completely miss themultiples points of BEV vehicle.
Any discount in Thailand would be welcomed
Polestars charging deal with ionity is crappy
Ok kodak.
Mmmmh, Toyota announced that charging speed might be really better???
So Toyota has copied Charge My Hyundai… Haven’t used the card since the first year with 1,69 NOK/kWh at Ionity ended. Tesla SC or Ionity Passport is usually cheaper anyways (depending on how much you charge)
It looks that Toyota hates its BEV and its customers. No improvement over one year, while Zeekr is adding its new golden battery to the 001... Some in Toyotas head must be wired wrong. 🤣
It's well known that Toyota hates BEVs.
Toyota is like Nokia 20 years ago. Our kids won't know what it was.
@@KubaYa1411 Keep believing that.
@@KubaYa1411 Well, not really. Nokia knew that, in the future, cell phones would replace much computer use, for mainstream. They just sucked at developping the OS.
It's more of a kodak analogy.
They pioneered the thing, but refused to follow up on it.
The 2024 model delivered a big upgrade with the battery-heater and an improvement to coolant circulation. Claiming "no improvement" is patently false.
Only in the USA we have. I such thing here
Toyota is currently surviving on its hybrid car sales, but how long is that market going to last?
Surviving? They're the biggest car company in the world. They're thriving.
@@benjaminsmith2287 so was Nokia …
@@benjaminsmith2287 They have the biggest dept of any company in the world.
@@crm114. So freaking what. Just a talking point.
@@paulosmr8160 no. Same old boring narrative.
Very good Toyota.
Björn has the best patience in the world, 2 hours charging vs 4 min fuel stop fpr my current Toyota that's a disaster...
Even Toyota fanboys agree that Toyota is pure sh*t on making EVs.
I don't care about 4 minute fuel stops. I spend 10 seconds plugging in at home and get 400-500 km range.
Your lucky, here in Sweden few of us can do that, don't have a house and the building association don't have chargers and cannot charge at work either and my time is precious....
@@Evans_Man Who? Owners see quality & longevity.
@@john1701a good luck living "long" with such a bad EV.
I believe that this car will be the reason many people (unfortunate owners) will complain that EVs are sh*t because of their bad experience with the bz4x. I sincerely hope I'll get wrong, but my experience shows differently.
Driving (and charging) this is an exercise in masochism. Ah, sheeee-it!
That horrid black plastic wheel arch cladding absolutely has to go - don’t get the Toyota stylists over the last few years with their ridiculously oversized grilles and now this. The new 4Runner is likewise cursed with the same hideous cladding.
Notice how many Tesla owners are wrapping their vehicles? Changing the cladding to match the paint is a simple task.
I won't ever buy a Toyota after what they've done to slow down EV adoption. Awful company with no morals.
You aren't the intended audience. Toyota is targeting the masses, using gen-1 to shakeout priorities... exactly like they did with gen-1 of Prius.
The problen is people who have to charge on the road a lot won't buy this car.
If you want an EV Toyota is not were you should spend your money they are definitely not taking EV seriously by now they should be a leader in EV's and they aren't even close if you want real EV then your choice should be a Tesla. It's gonna take Toyota another 10 years to come even close to what Tesla has and it'll be yet to be seen if they'll still be around by then making these kind of choices.
Of course it is NOT worth. How much does this cost?! And think do yourself, Toyota is anti EV, just like Nissan and Honda. And we have the past showing Nissan sabotaged their EVs with "badly enginereed" cars, even the Aryia was involved in scandal with defects and recalls and redo. So was the Toyota b$#^ whatever nonsense name it has, also plagued with defects.
Who in their right mind would consider it?!
The idea of an EV is you buy now and that is it. You don't have any problems with the EV tech, because it's technologically impossible to screw up, unless you INTENTIONALLY "screw up".
Is not a new tech. Electric motors and batteries have been around for a long time, just not in standalone cars. But the cars quite literally imported the battery tech from laptops and other mobile electronics and thus decades of knowhow in making longh lasting reliable battery powered stuff. Same goes for electric motors, even longer time.
You'd have to be mentally challenged to buy any japanese (or friends - aka GM) EVs, as they have proven they are anti EV and will stop at nothing to ruin this tech tree, thus making customers suffer the ownership one of these vehicles. Maybe if they asked half of a tesla model y, you'd consider it
What defects? Reliability has proven outstanding.
What a POS! Toyota has created a competitive EV..... for over a decade ago! Sad sad sad.
Who offered an AWD SUV with a 70% capacity warranty for 1,000,000 km (621,000 miles) after 10 years a decade ago?
@@john1701a The specs on this thing would have been competitive with a model S back then. It would have sold brilliantly back then because, as you said, it is an AWD SUV. Today it's specs are subpar with other AWD SUV EVs in today's market. All this shows is that Toyota seems incapable of creating a competitively featured, competitively priced EV.
Remember we are talking Toyota here.... not some start up.
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