No more 5W-30 ever again - Land Rover Discovery 4 - Transfer Case and Diff oil change
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In this episode we convert our Land Rover Discovery 4 to 5W-40 C3 oil. Never again will we run 5W-30 in any vehicle again unless it is under warranty. We are convinced that the additional protection value of 5W-40 oil over 5W-30 is in the long run most important.
Every LR4 Diesel has a DPF. So we use ACEA C3 low SAPS oil but with non-reduced HTHS. We will stay away from low SAPS with reduced HTHS as recommendet bey Land Rover, such as the C1, C2 and C5. ACEA C4 is a good choice too but there is no Magnatec 5W40 C4 and we do not want to go with the more expensice Edge brand.
We also show how to do a transfercase and differential oil change on the Discovery 4 in this episode.
For the Rear Differential we used Liqui Moly SAE 75-W140 GL5 Hypoid oil.
For the transfercase we used Ravenol Transfer Fluid DTF-1 with a TF-0753 clasification.
Thanks for watching,
Vera & Christian ,
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Just changed the 5wdumbass oil in my 2011 Range Rover Sport for 5w40 C3 and the first thing I noticed is the engine is noticeably quieter! Makes sense, but didn't really expect it, so a nice little bonus. 121k miles (200k km) on the clock now, so hopefully this change will keep it running smooth for many more years. Thank you guys, und vielen dank! 🙂
You two make a great comedic duo. Love your work.
landrover has been turning drivers into Mechanics for 70 years why stop now LOL and who wants a Toyota not me Land rovers all the way, thanks for the video .
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Christian and Vera, you should be Land Rover’s chief engineers, then we would have Land Rover products more reliable than Toyota. Every day is a school day and your videos are living proof of that, no matter how big or small. Excellent 👌
Quality is culture lol , they can never get there where Toyota is 😂😂😂
Thank you for sharing this experience. It was a pleasure to watch you.
Another great video, I have watched for 18 months now and enjoyed every one. I couldn't believe I did not think to put 5w-40 in my own Disco 3 but within a week of you doing Vera's I did mine, I have changed the oil pump (and belts) twice on my 176000 mile (not Euro KM,s) and the engine runs very quiet and smooth in fact previously I had a Discovery Sport with the same engine with only 60000 mile on it and that engine was defiantly louder than my Disco.
Anyway we all know just regular engine oil changes will prolong the life of any engine I usually go no longer than 3-6 thousand miles between oil changes. I changed the oil after your oil change but also I added Wynns additive which has the consistency of honey (as used by Derick on Vice Grip Garage) which I have used over the years. So heading towards a quarter million miles (hopefully) unless you would like to do an engine refirb for me Christian lol that was a great series of videos. Keep up the fantastic content all the best Phil and Louise
I am doing an oil change next week on my D3 with 5W-40 C3 Yes! thanks so much for the tips and videos on how to do it 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you for this video and enabling me to service my car. I think there is another breed of LR Time viewer you have not identified. You have your famous Desktop Mechanics, but you also have people like me who will follow everyone of your instructions, but do not have a pit or a lift and get very frustrated struggling under the car. I challenge you on one of your videos to conduct an oil change whilst laying under your car on your own! Even with the Discovery at max height it is not easy. Next purchase is going to be a lift... Joking aside thank you for all your videos as they are not only informative, but entertaining.
We have always, always done our oilchanges our selves. Long before we had a pit or our lift. For 30 years now habe we fixed, and serviced all of our cars. 👍💪💪🙋♀️
You guys are the greatest! Thanks for all your hard work!
I will borrow Vera’s words today… OMG 🤣🤣🤣 I have changed the oil to 5W40 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
WHAT A DIFFERENCE!!!!!! 😱😱😱😱😱😱
My Disco now runs quieter, smoother, balanced. It’s impressive the difference it makes. I’m committed to make my Disco last longer than a Toyota 😜😜😜😜
THANK YOU guys for the time taken to research and test this!!!! I’m so happy I followed your advice!!! 🏋🏻🏋🏻🏋🏻🏋🏻🏋🏻
Last longer than a toyota😂😂😂😂😂. You could run a landcruser without oil and it would last longer than the LR 😂.
“It’s not leaking, it’s shiney”. That is beautiful!
Hi, I’m an ex D3 and D4 owner, fantastic cars. I am now a Toyota owner after over 30 years of owning Land Rovers. Your Toyota comments are so funny, it’s true, they just work without any issues. I went to Toyota because I just didn’t have the time to keep up with the constant repairs and high maintenance with the Land Rovers. I really miss the Discovery 4 though, but now I have a life and money in the bank!
Great content, although I’ve gone over to the dark side I’ll still be sticking around with you guys, great and unique channel, you make a great team.
What toyota have you got? Do they make a 7 seater??
@@rikstar. Hi, I have a Hilux and a CH-R. The Land Cruiser has a seven seat option.
The most entertaining oil change video ever .
My vote is for changing the oil pump as soon as possible for Vera's piece of mind.
I like how the Mall Crawler caught lunch for you like a cat , bringing you a present for being nice to it lol
you two are a couple or wonderful characters, love the entertainment value of the video but also appreciate that you pass along much technical information. If it were my decision I would opt to replace the oil pump ASAP because it is essential to the engine. Could be when you do the replace you will find some other problem that was causing loss of pressure or lack of oil feed to the pump? Whatever the case I see it as a problem that needs solving sooner than later because you are risking accelerated wear....even in just the summer months interval.
I love your sense of humour about Toyota owners.
Cheers from Australia
Definitely check your oil pressure with a hydraulic gauge, could be your Chinese one is, god for bid, faulty. No video is boring with you both in it, always entertaining and informative
We do that, I am sure it's in one of our vidoes. We put a gauge on the schrader valve and tape it to the front window. 👍🙋♀️Vera
Your graphic is perfect. Love that.
I have a 1993 Range Rover Classic petrol. I upgraded my oil to 20w50. Manual calls for 10w40. But using the right oil for the right climate matters. Love the videos. You two crack me up.
Also it depends how worn the engine is.
Unipart used to suggest thinner oils for newer engines and thicker for older ⚠️
Breakfast time viewing as always here in Australia 🇦🇺
Great video as always thanks 🙏🏼
If you order a service kit you will get all new filters including the air conditioning filters for the cabin just replace the filters I only blow filters if I really need to especially when I’ve been off road!
Great overview on the service on both of your Land Rovers.. love the banter between you guys.. thank god you speak very good English.. I must say most us lazy Brits only speak English.. great channel.. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Running 5W40 C-3 in my 4.4 SDV8 L405. Thanks for doing the leg work.
Excellent Sunday morning video as always. I would replace the oil pump with an OEM one from LR. However, I am also looking forward to some more excellent engine out videos in the future. Land-Rover proudly turning owners into mechanics since 1948
Now every search I do on yt for my landrover I add LR Time and I know I am seeing a very good and informative video. 👍
I've just switched my 2006 D3 2.7TDV6 with 230,000k's from 5W-30 to 5W-40 fully synthetic Castrol edge a3/b4 🤫🤞🏻 I live in Australia where my temps vary from -7c to 40c depending on the season. I tow horses often and love the car even thought the gearbox I'd Crap!!!! I love your show and watch it often. Thank you 🥰❤️💯👌😎
Thank you so much for this step-by-step instruction for an oil change. I just made the first oil change on my new old LR4 and it worked out perfectly. Btw I used a pizza cardboard from a supermarket pizza which I placed over this frame as a shield which made the oil run smoothly into the bucket. Not a single drop spilled 🙂
You can change the oil ‘weight’ dependent on climate and session… a oil suitable for Finland is going to be different to Africa, the operating temperature ranges are vastly different. People get to hung up on ‘what the manual says’, it’s a guide. The additive package and quality of the oil is what peopled should focus on.
oil weight is directly proportional to its mass !
The operating temp will be very close. The engines have a cooling system with a thermostat for a reason......
@@sheilamorrison1954you would think they would closely match but they don’t, data logging shows oil temperatures lag behaving water temps a lot, partly due to localised heating of the coolant in the heads around the exhaust ports plus the coolant temp sensor normally being located in the coolant path between the head and radiator. Oil temps take so much more time and miles to get to operating temperatures than anyone expects especially on cold days where oil might not actually get to temp for most journeys. This delta can be as large as 20-30 minutes or more!
I liked your reaction about he oil filter size differences.
Totally agree with you but I have a super solution for this little issue.
Just use the oil filter and the top housing from LR3 and install it on your LR4.
The only difference is that the earlier model has a higher housing top by 5 ish cm
As they've all said, another good video,now Vera got the new oil pump, there's only one thing left to do haha, another interesting set to watch,thanks again guys
Thanks for the video, those fluid changes look easy to do!
I'd vote for changing the oil pump sooner than later.
Another great video 👍 Christian you could make changing an Air filter video worth watching 😆 as for the oil pressure issue, I would definitely look at changing the oil pump now to help with future diagnosis of the pressure problem.
Hi Christian, I bought my 2016 Disco 4 in July this year and about 2 wks ago, I got Service Required indication came up. I saw your video. You changed to 5w40 oli on Disco 3, and I, too, was going to change to 5w40. But my 3.0 SDV6 has start/stop, dpf filter and Adblue, I kind of chickened out fearing it may cause engine problems and used 5w30 oil(landrover Jaguar specification) and You were right in saying that 5w30 oil is just like pouring water, it's so thin and it worried me, if this watery oil would be sufficient enough to keep engine parts well lubricated. Then I added ZX1 Lube Oil, which is protection/friction free lubricant for essential engine parts. After doing the service, my God what a difference that ZX1 Lube oli made. The engine runs very quiet and silky smooth and on top of it the best thing happened is that I used to get with normal driving 26 mpg and now I'm get nearly 28.7 mpg. I'm delighted. But I think I'll switch to 5w40 on my next service.
Thanks . I always enjoy and learn from you.. and laugh as well.
Hi guys, cracking channel, the oil drain pan you don't like to use because you can't check for metallic particles I use all the time, however I put a gauze inside the hole that lets the oil through but collects any bits of metal that's in the oil and I don't have to search the old with a magnet, my wife is not best pleased, I used her flour sieve for the gauze, keep on keeping on guys.
Replace oil pump now to make sure that is the reason for low oil pressure before you pull the engine 😊
The chances the low oil pressure is due to the oil pump is low. At the end of the day, the oil pump creates flow. Pressure is achieved with the bearings.
Arh. I think you already have the answer Christian. Swop out the pump now so you can rule it out or in as the fault. Very entertaining video again. Love your German logic.
Regarding the oil pump..
If in doubt..? whip it out..
Excellent DIY vid... Thank you both...
I loved the Land Rovers when I was a trainee technician coz they always gave me work to do, especially the Range Rovers
I remember you saying that premature was not a good word for us guys ! I say leave it in, enjoy your vacation then do it as part of the engine overhaul. Another great video. I’ve ordered the magnatec 5w-40 DPF version for my next oil change. I’m trusting you guys more than my own mechanic !!
😅👍 🙋♀️Vera
I ordered a pump and I intend to change it this week. The big benefit is, that we all will learn if a cheap pump can really be the reason for low idle pressure and slow build up. Video will be out in 2-3 weeks because we got to fix the rear brakes first. Christian
My 2012 D4 sump bash plate has 13mm head bolts the same as the D3. I suspect the previous owner / LR garage gorilla rounded off the 13mm heads and replaced them with whatever they had to hand. Your torx head bolts actually look like seat bracket bolts. I also use a Femco quick drain on the drain hole, and I also use the suction tube. Well done for finding the reason for the differences in the oil filter, I have often wondered, but never investigated. I have used 5w40 in my D3 in the past when it was working a lot in the south of France. I currently use 5w30 C2 PAS spec in my D4 but am considering changing to 5w40 C3
The D4 has vacuum supplied engine mounts, and if you see the actuator arms on EGR cooler valve are rattling, the vacuum pipe to the engine mounts is compromised. (My engine builder, Marko at QP Online) told me this.
I have used Ravenol STF 0870 for years, but now Ravenol tell me that The new RAVENOL Transfer Fluid DTF-1 replaces the RAVENOL Transfer Fluid TF-0870! I use a 5 litre garden pressure sprayer to fill my diffs, much easier than all that pumping. And I have found that fill to spill on the diffs and transfer box takes just under the measured amount of oil, so fill to spill it is.
My cost per km on my 320,000km D4 for the last 215,000km is €0.21/km including a full engine rebuild due to a snapped crankshaft at 198,000km.
Watching back some of your older videos. Very useful knowledge presented in a light hearted way which makes it easy to watch. Glad to see the support for your channel continue to grow ( I can tell by the length of the Patreon roll) Keep up the good work.... we Discovery owners need the backup.😁😁👨🔧👩🔧
Yes, without our wonderful Patrons we not be doing TH-cam videos anymore. 👍🙋♀️
Christian and Vera fantastic entertainment and video presentation,that engine of yours is so clean inside from your oil change))) 🇬🇧❤️
Danke für das Video. Gute und wichtige Informationen, die zum Werterhalt des Disco beitragen.
OMG - I vote to the replace the oil pump now before any premature wear to your engine. And do a full engine out rebuild in the autumn! Loving your videos on a Sunday 🙂
Hello from USA (Michigan)! I just discovery you both today. I like that you have fun with each other and when you explain things! Very nice!!
😀🙏We lived in Michigan for almost 10 years, in Rochester Hills. 🙋♀️Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian That's where I live!! 🙂
I wouldn’t change that oil pump yet but keep monitoring it closely. Also, make sure to keep us posted on that JLR business meeting!
Good point about the oil. Since new, I have used 5W-30 oils, but recently as the engine is ever-so-slightly tired, I put in a hefty squirt of gear oil! That quietened it down nicely, and SEEMS to have improved compression & starting. So 5W40 is the way to go. (Also, I have been using an anti friction additive Activ-8 in my engines for years, greatly reduces wear in the long run.) Good vid, thanks.
Hi what weight of gear oil did you use & roughly how much of a squirt,300ml,500ml ?
@@chrisparsons771180w-90 gear oil; probably only about 100ml, just to see how it goes. I don't want to increase the internal friction unnecessarily. Crude, I admit!
I vote for an early replacement of the oil pump. That way you will know for sure the problem was with the pump and not fixed through any other changes as part of the rebuild. Thanks for the video, I learned a few things from it.
Brilliant video , love you guys, good info and always amusing to watch :-)
Another great video guys will use this as a guide when I do when my oil change in my disco 4
Superb video again guys, keep up the good work..
You do better than i, after working on all my cars the Land Rover makes me want to bang my head on the work bench some times. Still loving you videos
😅👍🙋♀️Vera
This guy & his wife are fun and highly informative. Euro-Pros for sure 👍🏻👍🏻
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I love watching you too you make a good pairing if I was you I would replace the oil pump and if it's possible check the main bearings on the crankshaft keep doing your thing I love watching you on Sunday morning
That is the plan, when we change the oil pump, to remove the sump and check the bearings. 💪👍🙋♀️Vera
My eyes have been opened with regard to oil types. My wife's 2007 Camry was the subject of oil use issues that some thought should result in a recall and engine repair or replacement. You may not know, but Toyota would test the oil consumption by filling to the proper level and then "sealing" the system. They would recheck the level after the owner drove the car 1000 miles and brought it back to the dealer again. Toyota would not repair an engine unless it used over 1 quart of oil in 1000 miles. During the effective time of the tests (age and mileage), her car did not consume oil. Later on, it began using a great deal of oil - possibly half the capacity - between oil changes. For some reason, I felt I could not use oil other than the type (5W20) marked on the oil filler cap. A friend suggested I try another weight oil to see if it helped with the consumption. I switched to 10W40 oil, and the oil consumption practically stopped. This seems to have allowed us to use the car for another 50,000 or more miles so far - beyond what seemed to be where it was worn out, based on oil consumption. In some cases, the dealer is not going to help with a problem, and you have nothing to lose by trying something the dealer does not recommend.
Oil Cap viscosity markings are to satisfy the EPA. It is not, usually for the health of the engine. And yes, 5/20 whether in a mazda, toyota, honda or Ford, GM, Chrysler.... They do burn quick. So the 30s and 40s are better when at operating temps. If you do live in the colder parts of the US, i would suggest a 5/40 vs a 10/40 for better cold starts....but remains the same when hot. (in Alaska, u may require to go 0/40 vsa 5/40)
You can reuse your copper washer again, it work hardens. But It's just a matter of glowing it with a blowtorch to make the copper soft again. And C4 oil is only available as 5W-30.
Another excellent video 🙂.
Change the oil pump now , just to be sure.
Land Rover are the leading experts in making changes that cost more and are worse from a structural or reliability standpoint compared to their previous variants. I can confirm this as a long time owner from RRC, Series and original Defender.
😂😂Cracking up, what a hoot of a channel. I’m now a subscriber and it will be my Sunday night viewing complete with beer and chips. Great work, from Oz 🇦🇺
Thanks for the video very helpful.
Love the comedy, great video's thank you.
Evening Vera and Christian 🤩 Another full of humour with good technical information video on your LR 🤣 x
I wish I could bring my freelander2 over for you to service, brilliant as ever 😁
Please change oil pump now it will be cheaper in the long run . You both are a pleasure to watch .
I love your video content but even if it's not so good Vera smile brightens everybody's day
😊🙏Thank you 🙋♀️Vera
Great video as always. Replace that oil pump you know it's the right thing to do.
I enjoyed you both I would check oil pressure first by a gauge.
Poor berrdy… love you guys.
Another entertaining video guys thank you
You guys make a great team and lovely couple
Heh Christian, I presume JLR are meeting with you to discuss establishing that "Centre of Excellence for Quality and Reliability" in your garage. Yes?
It will be a fascinating meeting I am sure. Well done. Best wishes to Vera. I enjoy your work so much.
I work on a German car brand in Australia, I just wish the manufacturer had a sense of humour like you two!
These videos make my week 👍and as an English man who owns a defender I can say this video sums up completely why the U.K gave the world Land-rover and Germany gave us Mercedes Benz😂😂
You do good work and explain your work very well. I must admit I cringe everytime I see those certain green bottles. Had to recondition many engines for a particular manufacturer that exclusively use this oil. They may have improved their formula but after many engine failures due this particular oil I recommended going to a oil brand we used on all engines. Problem solved never seen those again for those problems. Hello from 🇦🇺
Yes you are correct about the engine not being worn out between services.
Your cheap oil pump seems to be the concern from what you are telling us, genuine pump only in my book…..but thats only my opinion.
It seems there is a pattern here, the HP fuel pump was a concern too after replacing it, the new pump cured the concern.
I think you're wonderful for divulging you're information and understanding of oil and how it can drastically affect the life of the engine under extreme loads and so on. I thank you both for being so helpful and entertaining, best regards and have a great weekend...PS keep clicking that torque wrench, Alan Millyard does a similar thing with a hacksaw and hand sawing everything when he has other perfectly good tool that can do the job in a tenth of the time, it amuse him and me, also he has a mad channel on motor bikes and is rather eccentric, you may find him entertaining, I know i do!
Another great video you two are great 🙂👍
Landrover has a long history of speccing oil that barely works for its products.. You know like atf in manual gearboxes etc.. ....love your video guys....
Definitely replace the oil pump now. Don't risk running low oil pressure for any longer 👍happy wife, happy life and in this case a happy Tdv6 😎
Considering oil viscosity is based on ambient temperature and therefore engine block temperature the chosen viscosity can change based on time of year or overall temperature for your area.
Hello Vera and Christian, great video as always. I like the fact that you always explain clearly your actions. You should work for Land Rover as their technical adviser.
Haha just discovered this channel, I don't own a rover but I love the sense of humour.
Just to clarify a few points: D4 engine bash plate uses the same bolts as a D3, somebody has changed them to torque. Not all world regions have a DPF fitted to the D4 (no DPF on the D4 in Australia) I actually don't agree with blowing out air filter, simply replace it. I recommend to all my customers to do a service every 10K changing engine oil, oil filter, air filter and fuel filter. At the end of the day the best thing you can do to an engine is change the oil on a regular basis. While I am certainly not a Land Rover fan boy remember that the V6 2.7 and 3.0 is a rubbish Ford engine. I'm a small workshop and I have probably done at least 30 engine replacements on both the D3 and D4. Saying that I can show many D4 models that have over 300K and running well. As always keep up the fun videos.
Just checked my D3 (2008) servicing records, have been using C3 5W/40 (mag prof) since at least 2013.
I really like to see you. they are a very funny couple with good energy .. big hug and kiss from portugal.
😃👍We'll come down to Portugal one day. 🙋♀️Vera
Excelent video as always.....🤙🤙🤙
Guten Tag. Vielen Dank fur d'en Olwechsel. Tschuss
Big shot u guys from Jamaica love yr show
Can’t wait to get the merchandise 🇦🇺 👍🏻👍🏻
Great video guys👍
Hey guys, randomly ended up here from vw touareg videos,
5w 30 only good for early stage of vehicle life i personally have always ran petrol boxer engines or turbo diesel cars 10-40w regardless of the deal oil company made with an car company.
Few things to consider offcourse is if a vehicle fitted with a dpf, you may have to avoid small trips thats all!
You two are great.
My Sunday ritual, watching Christian and Vera 🙌
Thanks. Christian
Your videos are the highlight of my TH-cam week! Thank you!
I had a thought ( which doesn't happen very often, and when it does, is normally not very impressive) but, isn't your aftermarket oil pressure guage causing your pressure problem?
Hello Sean, I also tried a direct mounted oil gauge. Not the best one either but it does read higher on my LR4... Yes, the chineese electrical gauge sucks. Christian
Hi Guys great video as always, would you not have considered using something like Liqui Molly Ceratec before changing to 5w40 or would you use that as well as 5w40?
My understanding is that different oil viscosity can be used depending on ambient temperature. Probably not the case so much with modern oils, but likely why landrover may have specified 5w40 in South Africa and 30 in germany.
Excellent as always... and 20k subs. 😁😁😁👍
just found your channel... love the wife bustin your chops... hahaha!! you have some good info on here... like me i always do lots of research to see if something can be made better and you plead your case on how and were you got the info. wish more people had the b@lls to do what you do. so many people i see on y.t. dont sound sure of what they are saying. thanks again.. oh and love the "making coffee" reference!!!
Moi aussi je voudrais un autocollant 👍👍👍meilleur chaîne de mécanique discovery 3/4 au monde 💪💪💪
Hello Christian .
If your worry is the HTHS , there are 5w-30 C3 oils . Going from C2 to C3 there is a significant difference and makes sense. Going from 5w-30 to 5w-40 ... for sure will not hurt but not benefit much either... Engine oils - never run out of arguments 🙂
L.E.
Since it would be crazy to have a D4 as the only vehicle in the family I also own a small Toyota hybrid bought from new. Despite the fact that the owner manual and all official documentation states 0w-20 oil should be used, at the annual inspection, dealers from Belgium, Germany and Luxembourg all put in 5w-30. And I don't think it is because of the hot climate :) . I even asked why they do this, the answer was invariable - for better protection, that the 0w-20 trades protection for fuel efficiency and they don't even bother to have it on stock.
The trend to save fuel this way is bad. OEM s will do anything to officially reduce fuel consumption. At the end, it does not save much at all. W20 oil should be banned 😂😬. Christian
I just subbed..... Youre both funny and a fan of 5/40, just like me 🤣 German humor at its best 👍🏼Keep it up
I would change now, you know first hand how much work and money it takes when the engine goes boom 🤯👍
Thanks for video 👍👍👍