I was stationed on Crete and it is absolutely the most favorite place of anywhere I was stationed at outside the U.S. The people are awesome, the history just drips from the olive trees and the scenery and tranquility are second to none. Crete and the people of Crete are nothing like their mainland counterparts and in fact, many don't see themselves as Greeks, yes it has a lot to do with their history and the conquest by the Turks but it's also this sense of independence that they have. I explored that whole island and still didn't get enough time to truly know it. Want to go back someday when the world is more at peace...so, I probably never. I miss the friends I made there and often wonder what ever became of them.
Thanks for watching and commenting! Yes, Crete is quite beautiful. Its separate culture probably dates back even to the Minoan influence, who were very different even from the Mycenaeans (I'll release their video at the end of November). I hope you do get a chance to go back, especially as it made such an impression. I know I'll certainly return if I get a chance
I was saddened by my visit to Knossos a few years back. So much of what's on display is so obviously a "reconstruction" (and a fantasy one at that) that I couldn't help thinking of a Disney theme park... I mean: reinforced concrete structures masquerading as Bronze Age buildings?!
Let's not overdo it here. The lay out of the palace can still be very much enjoyed. If you are crying so much about it, just go to Phaestos. As impressive. I have very little issue with the fact that Knossos is reconstructed to some extend. Phaestos is namely a clear example that even if the reconstruction didn't happen at Knossos, Knossos would still be as incredible, as Phaestos shows
@@PeloquinDavid reconstruction by the greeks? You have no idea do you ? The escavations in crete wasent done by the greek archeologists but by prophesor evans who is british the greek gonverment didnt pay him ,, he did it with his own money ,,you and this idiot who makes those rudiculous videos have no clue of anything,, the question i have to ask you is ,,, why you hate the mother of all sivilisations,,, if you are free,you have family ,laws,constitution,education,human rights, freedom of speach ,or any other activity you do in your everyday of your life ,its because greek philosophers,paidagogs,law makers,generals ,and greek pepple that laid down their lifes for freedom,, did you know the word freedom in the rest of the world is known since french revolution? For greek sivilisation its always been the greatest vertue,, so why you hate greek sivilisation david,, are you jewish mister?
Vinca civilization is the oldest in Europe. But the Minoan civilization is very interesting from a perspective of incredible unique individuality compared to anything like what was around them. I also agree with your suggestion that Atlantis is likely Minoan Crete. It may give us an insight into what the Minoans self determined as. It really saddens me that Evans reimagined the original artwork but archaeology over a hundred years ago was a bit mental. The fact that you've brought the inaccuracies due to reconstructive efforts to light has informed me. I thank you for that - it is of utmost importance that we make inferences based on accurate information. You taught me something - it's great to hear from a scholar such as yourself who has spent time studying Minoan Crete whereas my interpretation of skin colour of the frescoes has now been exposed as a lack of historical context. My concept of those frescoes was inclining towards a depiction of the hunter gatherer people of Europe who had dark skin. But you just disproved that has any basis of evidence. I thank you for enlightening me.
Dumbfounding Greece has been able to block UNESCO from marking anything regarding Minoan from being a world heritage site. The ludacracy of Europe's first civilization having no UN recognition.
the statues @8:52 look uncannily similar to depictions of babylonian gods. There is a picture of king Ur-Nammu that looks like a duplicate of those statues
Nice to hear your side. I wasn't aware of how much of Knossos is reconstruction. It's frustrating as you don't know what is real and what is fake. Evans sure did a good job with his vision as it's very attractive but also deceptive. Are the red and black column designs real? Are the gyphon designs in the throne room completely made up?
I'm glad you enjoyed it! It is worth remembering Evans was stubborn-minded, but still fancied himself an archaeologist, so I don't believe he intended to do sloppy work, which really does make a difference. The gryphons were actually there, and they even helped his narrative. Them facing the "throne", to Evans, suggested it was a place of importance. I am not clear on the columns specifically, I will admit, but I'd say they're safe enough architecturally, though you'd be right to question the colour scheme. I haven't come across any specific reason to suspect that was faked, other than Evans record elsewhere. But at the same time, one of Evans's most famous reconstructions (the bull fresco I talked about in the video) has the "wrong" colours for him. If he was going to intentionally fake colours, that would have been the one to cover up. I regret that I did not have the chance to go into other Minoan palaces as much as I wanted, particularly Phaistos, where we actually can compare Evans to the true Minoan style
@@TravelswithanArchaeologist Thank you very much for your reply! I'm planning to make some paintings about the Minoans but I don't want to put any fake stuff in it so this is helpful.
'MOST' people with imagination ( especially with a Archeological background) would come to the same conclusions when "filling in the blanks", concerning the artistic liberties taken when reconstructing the Minoan structures and art. Bottom line is that the Minoan culture was as BAD ASSED as it gets and was the foundation of what was to become GREECE and Rome and ultimately NOW
I didn't think that the Minoans had any connection with Greece, ancient or modern. After the Thera volcano and subsequent tsunami, Minoan culture was essentially destroyed and the Mycenaeans walked in and took over. It's arguable that the Mycenaean culture was superior to that of Crete.
@@johncater7861 I think that the Mycenaens basically had superior numbers and over hundreds (it took them hundreds of years 😆) wore down and absorbed the Minoan's. There were definite calamitys that took place (Thera eruption and all the 'peripheral's' ) but essentially the Mycenaens were able to overcome a culture that was superior to thier own by means of numbers and aggression. The Minoans were the instigators of what was to become classical Greece, the Mycenaens without the TOTAL STEAL from the Cretans were simple Pirates by comparison. Hell, they were still in awe of them ( Minoans) to the point of orally carrying on the tales of the thera eruption ( Atlantis) as well as the tales of Zeus, The Minotaur and Medusa.
@@johncater7861 I'm sure it was in some ways, but fruit grows from seed and the seed of the Mycenaens was obviously of Minoan origin. You can see the 1 2 3 of it all in direct relation ( 1-Minoan 2-Mycenaen 3-Classical Greek). The Griffin worrior agate seal stone ( as well as 90 % of his burial was of Minoan origin and implies total dictation of technology ( Minoan to Mycenaen). Don't get me wrong, the Mycenaens ( eventually, by way of the classical Greeks) did expand, but they had at least 700 yrs to do so.
There should be a mention of the phestos disc. There are too many contradictions and assumptions. Good to know if Sandorini/Thera volcano exploded around 1600bce there had to be a huge tsunami wave wiping out much of what it was there in Crete and the fact that the place was occupied more than 20 times in modern history from a lot of foreign intruders.
I did a computerized symbol recognition pattern on the Phaistos disk years ago on a govt. supercomputer. It came back with a verdict that it is a hymn to be sung. It said the endings are similar to Greek. I abandoned that project as other things were pressing. I will try to go back, run it thru Homer, the Greek poets etc., and other literature to find rhythmic matches. It may contain some ancient pre-Greek info. I will also run the symbols against a linear A pattern to see what happens. I wil try to assign a vocal to each symbol and run it thtru Voice recognition for ascertaining guttural patterns if any [Good luck with that!]
@@williamolivadoti3867 that's the most interesting thing I've heard in years. Music may be the key to understanding since homers both works seem to be some kind of folk music lyrics. Otherwise it's impossible to remember so many lines without a script.
If it is a hymn then odds say that at least one 4-7 symbol line on each side is the name of a God ending in "S", or "os" or "us" etc. ,Within the vertical Ines
Atlantis: I remember a theory that the seed of the myth was a combined liquefaction and tsunami caused by an earthquake - that would explain the "drowned in mud" - and I saw someone propose a site where a city apparently had experienced such a combined event, but I cannot for the life of me recall who, or the site.
Helike is another possibility, however given Plato was likely alive to remember Helike (or certainly people who did) it's unlikely to be the only inspiration. I'd consider the Atlantis myth to be an amalgamation of several other myths and like events, honestly, but this video is on the Minoans, so their "Atlantis" as such (the most likely candidate most scholars point to) gets the highlight here
Sorry, but the descriptions available put Atlantis far away from Greece. In the end it will be found around the Azores as that really does match the descriptions from Egypt and Plato. You should branch out to new surrondings. Hint' Lake Vann in Turkey will be showing us how old Atlantis is as they are the ones that originated from that part of the world.. We are looking at 35-50 thousand years ago
Let's not run wild with our fantasies here. Plato is the first one who actually wrote about Atlantis. Anything beyond that is complete fantastical blatant opinionated nonsensical assumptions running wild. Like yours. Next you are going to say we have floating isles in the sky and flying chariot horses like those Vimana bullcrap of history in India. Which is a completely fabricated fantasy which originated from actual horses with chariots to flying cities after 10 chains of anecdotal fantasies chained together in India. The Greek world was very broad, and trade in the Greek world as well and runs back many thousands of years. I don't think the story of Plato runs beyond the Greek world. It's extremely unlikely even.
Pretty harsh on Evans. Not that he doesn't deserve most of it. It blows me away how influential his reconstructions have been. I see all these 3d renderings of the palace that basically take the northern entrance, with its columns and fresco, and extrapolate it out across the whole complex... there is no acknowledgement (or knowledge) that the top three quarters of the entrance are basically a fabrication... wishful thinking. And the fact that it was constructed to look like a ruin is just so Victorian... I'm surprised the place doesn't have its own vampire legend.
Thank you for this presentation. This is a subect I've been studying for many years. I tend to agree that Plato's description of Atlantis is the Minoan Empire on the Island of Thera (Santorini today). It fits Plato's description very well, not only the volcanic destruction and sinking into the sea, but right down to the colors they used in their building construction (red ochre, black and gold). The figurine of the woman with the snakes in her hands is a stylized representation of the planet venus when it was close to the Earth once and wreaked havoc on the Earth (this symbol is seen all over the world). It has nothing to do with a matriarchy. The bull representations are also celestial regarding the Age of Taurus. The Minoans started out as a peaceful and lawful society, but became corrupted over time, as many civilizations do. Now the reason geologists and archeologists differ on dating the eruption of Thera, is because the radio carbon dating is skewed due to eruption itself, spewing tons of debris, carbon dioxide, and carbon monoxide into the atmoshpere. That would have been absorbed by everthing organic, thus skewing the results of any radio carbon dating. There are two great event's described in ancient history around that time: Plato's description of the eruption and destruction of Atlantis and the Exodus described in the Bible, with its plagues resulting from that enormous eruption. Using the Bible to date these events, we know King Solomon reigned around 1000 BCE. He talked about the Exodus ocurring 480 years earlier. That puts it around 1480 BCE. When you put the historical and archaelogical records together, you get 1480 to 1500 BCE. The geological record is skewed. So that puts the Thera eruption around 1480 to 1500 BCE which makes sense now why all trade in the Mediterranean halted, severe destruction ocurred with sunken cities, or destroyed coastal cities by the huge tsunami. The same tsunami that wiped out Pharaoh's army in the book of Exodus. And why there was a 400 year dark age in the Greek Empire. Just some food for thought.
Hi! Yes, I studied them and did my dissertation on Bronze Age Rhodes. I got to work with Toula Marketou, a giant in the field. I recall writing on Minoan pottery, Mediterranean pottery wheels, and neolithic Greek goat herders. They are very dry, I'd recommend reading them if you ever have insomnia!
@@TravelswithanArchaeologist As you can see in the comments there is one that talks about Final solution to the question of Atlantis, where was your response “None” You would learn a thing or two
Their descendants would have been Cretan, who were Greek-adjacent in various ancient sources, but by this time their culture had changed beyond Minoan norms. They still had an affinity for bull worship, but Greek records didn't take much of an interest in Crete, and it seems it was kind of a rural backwater in the Classical era. Unfortunately the Minoans didn't leave behind cultural descendants that we know of, being subsumed by Mycenaean and later Greek cultures. Or, perhaps Mycenaean culture (who would become the "proper" Greeks) took cues from the Minoans, but we can't know until we can read Linear A and know what the Minoans believed in their own words. So, essentially, Minoans are Minoans, unlike anyone before or since as far as we can tell
Since you're not afraid to address popular conception vs. reality, perhaps give your take on the evolution in interpreting Harappan sites/culture since serious work began? Also, debunking the more outlandish claims about Gobekli Tepe wouldn't be amiss ;)
They are noteven close to the oldest civilisation of Europe. The thracians are the oldest. Look how much older the oldest city in Europe ( Plovdiv) is than anything minoan. Minoans ancestors are thracian.
How many things you know about greece?? WOW,, im amazed one george soros open society guy studies greece so much,,,,you are an open society agent right? Who pays you to do all these misinformation videos? Why the italians say TOTUM GRAECORUM EST ? If greeks are not who you say they are?
@@Agapi-dg7th Well, if you'd like to point out where you think I made a mistake, and provide a reliable source, I'll issue a retraction. I know quite a bit about archaeology. As to who pays me, it's people like you! Thanks to your comments and views, I've reached enough viewership to upgrade to a higher tier and will now start earning money from ads! Although I don't know who those ads will be from, sorry, those "sponsored" ads actually sponsor TH-cam, not me. Still, it's something, so thank you very much! I'm not clear on those last two questions. This video is about how Arthur Evans got many of his reconstructions wrong, with photographic evidence and sources. Italian sayings are not mentioned anywhere. Are you sure you commented on the right video?
I wish we could figure out how to read their writing. a lot of our questions might be answered.
I was stationed on Crete and it is absolutely the most favorite place of anywhere I was stationed at outside the U.S. The people are awesome, the history just drips from the olive trees and the scenery and tranquility are second to none. Crete and the people of Crete are nothing like their mainland counterparts and in fact, many don't see themselves as Greeks, yes it has a lot to do with their history and the conquest by the Turks but it's also this sense of independence that they have. I explored that whole island and still didn't get enough time to truly know it. Want to go back someday when the world is more at peace...so, I probably never. I miss the friends I made there and often wonder what ever became of them.
Thanks for watching and commenting! Yes, Crete is quite beautiful. Its separate culture probably dates back even to the Minoan influence, who were very different even from the Mycenaeans (I'll release their video at the end of November). I hope you do get a chance to go back, especially as it made such an impression. I know I'll certainly return if I get a chance
Cretan here. I’d love to know where you went, where “many don’t see themselves as Greek” 😅
I was saddened by my visit to Knossos a few years back. So much of what's on display is so obviously a "reconstruction" (and a fantasy one at that) that I couldn't help thinking of a Disney theme park...
I mean: reinforced concrete structures masquerading as Bronze Age buildings?!
Let's not overdo it here. The lay out of the palace can still be very much enjoyed. If you are crying so much about it, just go to Phaestos. As impressive. I have very little issue with the fact that Knossos is reconstructed to some extend. Phaestos is namely a clear example that even if the reconstruction didn't happen at Knossos, Knossos would still be as incredible, as Phaestos shows
@@PeloquinDavid reconstruction by the greeks? You have no idea do you ? The escavations in crete wasent done by the greek archeologists but by prophesor evans who is british the greek gonverment didnt pay him ,, he did it with his own money ,,you and this idiot who makes those rudiculous videos have no clue of anything,, the question i have to ask you is ,,, why you hate the mother of all sivilisations,,, if you are free,you have family ,laws,constitution,education,human rights, freedom of speach ,or any other activity you do in your everyday of your life ,its because greek philosophers,paidagogs,law makers,generals ,and greek pepple that laid down their lifes for freedom,, did you know the word freedom in the rest of the world is known since french revolution? For greek sivilisation its always been the greatest vertue,, so why you hate greek sivilisation david,, are you jewish mister?
Nice bit of critique. The bronze age collapse is one of the most interesting mysteries of the ancient world
That mystery is about to be solved. You're watching the same exact thing happen in real time, right now...
Vinca civilization is the oldest in Europe. But the Minoan civilization is very interesting from a perspective of incredible unique individuality compared to anything like what was around them. I also agree with your suggestion that Atlantis is likely Minoan Crete. It may give us an insight into what the Minoans self determined as. It really saddens me that Evans reimagined the original artwork but archaeology over a hundred years ago was a bit mental. The fact that you've brought the inaccuracies due to reconstructive efforts to light has informed me. I thank you for that - it is of utmost importance that we make inferences based on accurate information. You taught me something - it's great to hear from a scholar such as yourself who has spent time studying Minoan Crete whereas my interpretation of skin colour of the frescoes has now been exposed as a lack of historical context. My concept of those frescoes was inclining towards a depiction of the hunter gatherer people of Europe who had dark skin. But you just disproved that has any basis of evidence. I thank you for enlightening me.
I think the simple explanation is that farmers would be depicted as darker skinned due to being out in the sun.
@@Liethenthe sun doesn’t turn pale skin into dark skin that’s not possible.
@@Liethenand there are women depicted with dark skin as well.
@@dior2939 I assure you most white people tan. I don't, but most can.
@@Liethen tan is one thing becoming brown is another.
Dumbfounding Greece has been able to block UNESCO from marking anything regarding Minoan from being a world heritage site. The ludacracy of Europe's first civilization having no UN recognition.
the statues @8:52 look uncannily similar to depictions of babylonian gods. There is a picture of king Ur-Nammu that looks like a duplicate of those statues
ignoring what Plato wrote about Atlantis... Solon, 11k yrs, ...
Can you elaborate?
Nice to hear your side. I wasn't aware of how much of Knossos is reconstruction. It's frustrating as you don't know what is real and what is fake. Evans sure did a good job with his vision as it's very attractive but also deceptive. Are the red and black column designs real? Are the gyphon designs in the throne room completely made up?
I'm glad you enjoyed it! It is worth remembering Evans was stubborn-minded, but still fancied himself an archaeologist, so I don't believe he intended to do sloppy work, which really does make a difference. The gryphons were actually there, and they even helped his narrative. Them facing the "throne", to Evans, suggested it was a place of importance. I am not clear on the columns specifically, I will admit, but I'd say they're safe enough architecturally, though you'd be right to question the colour scheme. I haven't come across any specific reason to suspect that was faked, other than Evans record elsewhere. But at the same time, one of Evans's most famous reconstructions (the bull fresco I talked about in the video) has the "wrong" colours for him. If he was going to intentionally fake colours, that would have been the one to cover up. I regret that I did not have the chance to go into other Minoan palaces as much as I wanted, particularly Phaistos, where we actually can compare Evans to the true Minoan style
@@TravelswithanArchaeologist Thank you very much for your reply! I'm planning to make some paintings about the Minoans but I don't want to put any fake stuff in it so this is helpful.
What the italians mean by totum graecorum est?
'MOST' people with imagination ( especially with a Archeological background) would come to the same conclusions when "filling in the blanks", concerning the artistic liberties taken when reconstructing the Minoan structures and art. Bottom line is that the Minoan culture was as BAD ASSED as it gets and was the foundation of what was to become GREECE and Rome and ultimately NOW
I didn't think that the Minoans had any connection with Greece, ancient or modern.
After the Thera volcano and subsequent tsunami, Minoan culture was essentially destroyed and the Mycenaeans walked in and took over.
It's arguable that the Mycenaean culture was superior to that of Crete.
@@johncater7861 I think that the Mycenaens basically had superior numbers and over hundreds (it took them hundreds of years 😆) wore down and absorbed the Minoan's.
There were definite calamitys that took place (Thera eruption and all the 'peripheral's' ) but essentially the Mycenaens were able to overcome a culture that was superior to thier own by means of numbers and aggression.
The Minoans were the instigators of what was to become classical Greece, the Mycenaens without the TOTAL STEAL from the Cretans were simple Pirates by comparison. Hell, they were still in awe of them ( Minoans) to the point of orally carrying on the tales of the thera eruption ( Atlantis) as well as the tales of Zeus, The Minotaur and Medusa.
@@andyhayes7828 gee I don't know. Have you seen the recreated impression of the palace of Nestor?
Better and grander than Knossos, I think.
@@johncater7861 I'm sure it was in some ways, but fruit grows from seed and the seed of the Mycenaens was obviously of Minoan origin. You can see the 1 2 3 of it all in direct relation ( 1-Minoan 2-Mycenaen 3-Classical Greek). The Griffin worrior agate seal stone ( as well as 90 % of his burial was of Minoan origin and implies total dictation of technology ( Minoan to Mycenaen). Don't get me wrong, the Mycenaens ( eventually, by way of the classical Greeks) did expand, but they had at least 700 yrs to do so.
There should be a mention of the phestos disc. There are too many contradictions and assumptions. Good to know if Sandorini/Thera volcano exploded around 1600bce there had to be a huge tsunami wave wiping out much of what it was there in Crete and the fact that the place was occupied more than 20 times in modern history from a lot of foreign intruders.
Yes, the original script actually went into Phaistos, including the disc, but it was cut for time. I'll return to Crete in a future video, though!
I did a computerized symbol recognition pattern on the Phaistos disk years ago on a govt. supercomputer. It came back with a verdict that it is a hymn to be sung. It said the endings are similar to Greek. I abandoned that project as other things were pressing. I will try to go back, run it thru Homer, the Greek poets etc., and other literature to find rhythmic matches. It may contain some ancient pre-Greek info. I will also run the symbols against a linear A pattern to see what happens. I wil try to assign a vocal to each symbol and run it thtru Voice recognition for ascertaining guttural patterns if any [Good luck with that!]
it said it was similar to iambic pentameter but i think it may be a mistake by the super computer due to pre-programmed algorithms.
@@williamolivadoti3867 that's the most interesting thing I've heard in years. Music may be the key to understanding since homers both works seem to be some kind of folk music lyrics. Otherwise it's impossible to remember so many lines without a script.
If it is a hymn then odds say that at least one 4-7 symbol line on each side is the name of a God ending in "S", or "os" or "us" etc. ,Within the vertical
Ines
Atlantis: I remember a theory that the seed of the myth was a combined liquefaction and tsunami caused by an earthquake - that would explain the "drowned in mud" - and I saw someone propose a site where a city apparently had experienced such a combined event, but I cannot for the life of me recall who, or the site.
Not bad. Suggest you watch Bettany Hughes' educated and insightful documentary on Crete as well as ancient Greece and other places.
Wasn't Atlantis based off Helike?
Helike is another possibility, however given Plato was likely alive to remember Helike (or certainly people who did) it's unlikely to be the only inspiration. I'd consider the Atlantis myth to be an amalgamation of several other myths and like events, honestly, but this video is on the Minoans, so their "Atlantis" as such (the most likely candidate most scholars point to) gets the highlight here
Sorry, but the descriptions available put Atlantis far away from Greece. In the end it will be found around the Azores as that really does match the descriptions from Egypt and Plato. You should branch out to new surrondings. Hint' Lake Vann in Turkey will be showing us how old Atlantis is as they are the ones that originated from that part of the world.. We are looking at 35-50 thousand years ago
Let's not run wild with our fantasies here. Plato is the first one who actually wrote about Atlantis. Anything beyond that is complete fantastical blatant opinionated nonsensical assumptions running wild. Like yours. Next you are going to say we have floating isles in the sky and flying chariot horses like those Vimana bullcrap of history in India. Which is a completely fabricated fantasy which originated from actual horses with chariots to flying cities after 10 chains of anecdotal fantasies chained together in India.
The Greek world was very broad, and trade in the Greek world as well and runs back many thousands of years. I don't think the story of Plato runs beyond the Greek world. It's extremely unlikely even.
Pretty harsh on Evans. Not that he doesn't deserve most of it. It blows me away how influential his reconstructions have been. I see all these 3d renderings of the palace that basically take the northern entrance, with its columns and fresco, and extrapolate it out across the whole complex... there is no acknowledgement (or knowledge) that the top three quarters of the entrance are basically a fabrication... wishful thinking. And the fact that it was constructed to look like a ruin is just so Victorian... I'm surprised the place doesn't have its own vampire legend.
Thank you for this presentation. This is a subect I've been studying for many years. I tend to agree that Plato's description of Atlantis is the Minoan Empire on the Island of Thera (Santorini today). It fits Plato's description very well, not only the volcanic destruction and sinking into the sea, but right down to the colors they used in their building construction (red ochre, black and gold).
The figurine of the woman with the snakes in her hands is a stylized representation of the planet venus when it was close to the Earth once and wreaked havoc on the Earth (this symbol is seen all over the world). It has nothing to do with a matriarchy. The bull representations are also celestial regarding the Age of Taurus.
The Minoans started out as a peaceful and lawful society, but became corrupted over time, as many civilizations do.
Now the reason geologists and archeologists differ on dating the eruption of Thera, is because the radio carbon dating is skewed due to eruption itself, spewing tons of debris, carbon dioxide, and carbon monoxide into the atmoshpere. That would have been absorbed by everthing organic, thus skewing the results of any radio carbon dating.
There are two great event's described in ancient history around that time: Plato's description of the eruption and destruction of Atlantis and the Exodus described in the Bible, with its plagues resulting from that enormous eruption.
Using the Bible to date these events, we know King Solomon reigned around 1000 BCE. He talked about the Exodus ocurring 480 years earlier. That puts it around 1480 BCE. When you put the historical and archaelogical records together, you get 1480 to 1500 BCE.
The geological record is skewed. So that puts the Thera eruption around 1480 to 1500 BCE which makes sense now why all trade in the Mediterranean halted, severe destruction ocurred with sunken cities, or destroyed coastal cities by the huge tsunami. The same tsunami that wiped out Pharaoh's army in the book of Exodus. And why there was a 400 year dark age in the Greek Empire.
Just some food for thought.
Experts as yourself? Oh!
Hi! Yes, I studied them and did my dissertation on Bronze Age Rhodes. I got to work with Toula Marketou, a giant in the field. I recall writing on Minoan pottery, Mediterranean pottery wheels, and neolithic Greek goat herders. They are very dry, I'd recommend reading them if you ever have insomnia!
@@TravelswithanArchaeologist
As you can see in the comments there is one that talks about
Final solution to the question of Atlantis, where was your response “None”
You would learn a thing or two
So what's your theory about who the Minoans were, culturally.
Their descendants would have been Cretan, who were Greek-adjacent in various ancient sources, but by this time their culture had changed beyond Minoan norms. They still had an affinity for bull worship, but Greek records didn't take much of an interest in Crete, and it seems it was kind of a rural backwater in the Classical era. Unfortunately the Minoans didn't leave behind cultural descendants that we know of, being subsumed by Mycenaean and later Greek cultures. Or, perhaps Mycenaean culture (who would become the "proper" Greeks) took cues from the Minoans, but we can't know until we can read Linear A and know what the Minoans believed in their own words. So, essentially, Minoans are Minoans, unlike anyone before or since as far as we can tell
Since you're not afraid to address popular conception vs. reality, perhaps give your take on the evolution in interpreting Harappan sites/culture since serious work began?
Also, debunking the more outlandish claims about Gobekli Tepe wouldn't be amiss ;)
Harappan, interesting! There is so much still coming out of there. Definitely need to do Gobekli Tepe! Probably alongside Catal Hoyuk
Linear B is Greek.
It is, as I explained in my Mycenaean video. But Minoans used Linear A, which is yet to be translated
They are noteven close to the oldest civilisation of Europe.
The thracians are the oldest.
Look how much older the oldest city in Europe ( Plovdiv) is than anything minoan.
Minoans ancestors are thracian.
A minute into the film, and I notice the ceramics shown are not Minoan ,but Attic geometric!
Atlantis is in Atlantic Ocean because Greek Language can't go wrong ! Plato explains the myth well, I wonder why don't you know it !
Watch Peter Revesz, he sees a lot of similarities from Minoen and Hungarian languages.
That makes only a little less sense than there being similarities between Minoan and Japanese.
They were canannite, it's obvious.
How many things you know about greece?? WOW,, im amazed one george soros open society guy studies greece so much,,,,you are an open society agent right? Who pays you to do all these misinformation videos? Why the italians say TOTUM GRAECORUM EST ? If greeks are not who you say they are?
@@Agapi-dg7th Well, if you'd like to point out where you think I made a mistake, and provide a reliable source, I'll issue a retraction. I know quite a bit about archaeology. As to who pays me, it's people like you! Thanks to your comments and views, I've reached enough viewership to upgrade to a higher tier and will now start earning money from ads! Although I don't know who those ads will be from, sorry, those "sponsored" ads actually sponsor TH-cam, not me. Still, it's something, so thank you very much! I'm not clear on those last two questions. This video is about how Arthur Evans got many of his reconstructions wrong, with photographic evidence and sources. Italian sayings are not mentioned anywhere. Are you sure you commented on the right video?