@@christianwatt2924 I'm more optimistic this time. There is a whole new generation of kids that have never touched a PC, Windows or otherwise, because of phones, tablets, and consoles. Throw in hardware shortages in the last couple of years when not many kids were getting new PCs for holidays. A lot of tech YT channels are suffering because of the general decline in PC building interest lately. Valve is in a unique position with Steam Deck to capture this audience into a Linux ecosystem. After a positive experience with a gaming device like that, would a kid willingly go to Windows for their first "real" computer? I doubt it. It's Valve's game to lose at this point.
It doesn't matter. ChromeOS and Android are Linux and look at the bloat that is included on those systems. Any commercial entity will add bloat. Valve is no exception.
The problem with Desktop Linux they need to be heavily customized ans locked down to ensure good experience for end user They just become another commercial OS with Linux kernel
Best version of Windows was 2000. Ran it for years didn't have a single problem, supported all the hardware (at the time), and ran everything I threw at it without a hitch. It did what an OS should, it got out of the way and was a stable base to install run programs. Today OS's try to do too much beyond their core function.
I was an early adopter of Windows ME. I didn't have any major issues with it. If hardware wasn't natively supported by ME, I used Windows 2000 drivers. I pretty much did that with later Windows versions, if a driver didn't exist, use the previous version's driver.
One thing I noticed with Microsoft OS is the subtle naming changes, little things matter and show an intent. As an example "My Computer" has now changed to "This PC" the label of ownership has gone, it is implied windows is no longer something you own, it has become a service. This seems to have been done intentionally.
More likely it was done for clarity. UX writing is really difficult to remember which tense you're supposed to use ("Shut off your PC" vs "Show my files" or whatever). And I can only imagine how many people got confused when receiving phone support ("No no, not MY computer, click the computer icon labeled My Computer" "What about your computer? I need help with MY computer!")
@@samhenrigold I'm only that obtuse to the Microsoft Support Center who calls me to tell me their servers are detecting suspicious activity on my PC. But when they try to show me each and every thing, I suddenly become 50% deaf, 75% blind, and 100% senile... "My nephew usually takes care of this for me. Now, which one is the Windows key again?"
We were debloating Windows XP very early on. Some of it was definitely documented. This was something we did on our gaming boxes, and what I did for the 100s of desktops and laptops I supported at the time for work.
I used 98Lite to debloat Windows ME in the late 90s. It replaced the UI elements from 98 or ME with the older ones from 95, but the OS itself was up to date. It was comparable to the way Windows 2000 relates to Windows XP in terms of performance and bloat.
@@turbo1gts Yup, that was the shiat back in the day. And was a darn sight easier than when gaming involved creating boot floppies to get the exact right mix of low/high/extended ram, IRQ configurations, and TSRs to get the specific game you wanted to play to work correctly.
@@utubepunk eXPerience was a guy from the UK who made Tiny Windows XP and Server 2003 isos optimized for gaming. Server 2003 was mostly what I used at the time.
I will always regard Windows 2000 as my favorite OS, it was rock solid. Currently on Windows 11 and I haven't ran any scripts etc to remove boat but I have just uninstalled any apps I didn't want and after several updates they have not come back, maybe MS has learnt somewhat.
I still think that Windows 2000 was excellent, in that there was no bloat at all and everything just worked. If they'd just kept updating it, I'd have been perfectly happy.
@@Starfireaw11 Windows 2000 was very stable too i found, I remember fondly using it at college. Then studying Windows XP. I have played with windows NT4 which showed me the way to server stuff. Hence why i studied microsoft windows nearly 20 years ago. Got me no where at all, due to supply of and demand in the area i live in.
2000 definitely was a great OS. Liked 98SE also, best DOS based version. XP was damn near perfect, aside from the fact that every virus known to man was written for it. Vista was horrible, 7 was excellent and 10 was fine after removing the bloatware and disabling the spyware. All my systems are on 11 now (i5 8th gen, i7 6th gen and a brand new 11th gen ASRock gaming PC). So far 11 has been great. Funny how remnants that go back as far as Windows 2000 are still buried throughout this supposed "new" OS. 😆
11 here im on amd ryzen 3 with no issues, maybe because i use debloated version,and yes it was stable and looks good,for win10 i think 1709 build was the best build
In 2013 I was the last employee of the 14,000 person corporation I worked for with windows XP on my computer. We had skipped windows 7 and moseyed right up to windows 8. Every time the windows 8 update begin to download I would shut off the desk top. I never left my desktop running during lunch hour comer and I never left it running on the weekends .One day I returned from lunch and found 2 people from IT sitting in my cube. They told me login and then sat and watched my computer update to windows 8. They understood my reluctance to update and love for windows XP but it was time to move on as I had no choice.
Hehe yes everyone tried it but windows is just the wide common where everything runs without any programming knowledge. Also the whole thing is just better. Nothing against Linux for programmers and Apple for designers but just work related, the daily driver is just windows.
@@ltcactus5981 so you see how small the margins are... When Ms owns 30times and more of the percentage. On 100 windows user come 2-3 Linux and apple users, in a city with 1 million windows users it would be less than an 30000 apple and Linux users on average only only half of it, and consider that this city have a pop of 1.2million people. So the people who not use pcs are so much more 😅 so better you not try too squeeze some small percentage for Linux out of the global stats, it's just not worth, because it is and will be just a very small minority.
I "made the switch" to manjaro this past year via duel booting... All I can say is Im impressed how far its come in 4 years and also excited to hear the community is hardcore focusing on improving the linux desktop experience as their goal for 2022!
My colleague tried to install Manjaro, but it started glitching after the first updates. So he opted to Mint + Cinnamon, this combo fits best for his job and his hardware.
@@wickeddubz personally I cant wait for the multimonitor support thats supposed to come from kde this year, I heard kde is finally switching to wailand from x.
I switched to Linux after Windows 7. I was into writing code in the 80's a little bit, until windows came out. I think it actual stopped me from wanting to code. Now I am interested again, and it's because I started using Linux and had to use a terminal. I have also discovered that there are Linux versions that are as easy to use as Windows.
Man there are so many distributions of Linux that are awesome. I'm gamer so for me it was really hard, but I learned that it isn't as bad as other people say, I'm able to play all the games I used to play on Windows under Linux Mint without any problem. I'm glad I switched. Also I can finally control the OS and it behaves the way I want it to behave, no auto bullshit updates, no GUI weather app Windows bullshit. It just works.
@@matyasselmek3673 I wish I was that lucky about a third of the games I play HATE Linux I am simply waiting for Steam OS 3.0 to come out then I make the full switch.
@@0Synergy I'm thinking about it too but I have two pieces of hardware that are not supported, and I need those to work and alternatives don't work nearly as well even on Windows because I want as seamless of a desktop setup as possible (Retro and modern capturing, and my microphone goes through a specific interface, I tried EasyEffects with a compatible interface but it didn't work the way I wanted). If those two pieces of hardware worked, I'd have zero issue switching as I've just been on and off Linux for about 10 years now. You could always do a single GPU passthrough for games. That's how I got away with Windows games that didn't work on Linux with either native or Proton.
Yea I tried Windows again recently... cmd, PowerShell and Winget leave much to be desired.... well compared to bash... Even winbash was kinda straight up horrible in some aspects...
I debloated Windows 10 21H2 for arm64 devices, including the Raspberry Pi. I’ve activated it with no problems, no bloatware or telemetry. It uses 800MB when idle (less than Ubuntu) on a 4GB RAM system (Raspberry Pi 400).
If this is true, that’s just pathetic on MS’s part. I work as remote IT support and internally groan when I see someone running Win10 on 4GB of RAM because the OS sitting there, doing nothing, uses over *3.2 GB of RAM* when Win7 used a fraction of that. Really wish 7 was a more viable option in 2021. I want my Control Panel back, damn it.
I believe on Windows 11 the few games or apps (I think mine had some GIF app) you see in the start menu aren't actually installed, but are just icons that will install or take you to the store when clicked. And honestly even XP Pro had a "try msn" shortcut on the desktop and such, so I think they're really back to being pretty benign again. There's not a lot of junk to clean. Like it was 20 years ago, now again you can just right click and remove the shortcut you don't want and pretty much be done.
I remember that Try MSN thing, I saw it pop up once, after OS install. Never saw it again. Quite a bit different from the weekly reminders to back up my Desktop/etc in OneDrive. Also MSN was free unless you also got dial up through them
@@Jack-hk4nn it was an icon on the desktop and an icon in the start menu. So you would see it every single day, hundreds of times a day, until you deleted it. Which was just like it is now right click the icon and choose remove/delete. There are no weekly reminders to use OneDrive in Windows 10. One drive is not even part of Windows 10, it can be uninstalled or replaced with other cloud providers like iCloud or Google instead.
One more of note is Win 10 IoT edition, which is the successor to the "single application" OS builds you mentioned earlier. Also CE versions of Windows in the past.
An OS helps you load and run programs, save, transmit, and print out results. The LAST OS from Microsoft was Windows 8.1 After that - it's ... something different. It's purpose has changed, and YOU are the product.
@@jordanwardle11oh? Ok… where do I get a windows 10 or windows 11 key for free? Besides of an activator of course. The official way please. Thanks. If you don’t find anything, than don’t tell us, that is would be free. Thanks.
I found if you turned off the fancies in windows XP the system ran pretty well on Pentium 233 systems, but that was before service pack 2 came out. Stopped messing with windows XP and switched to windows 7 and scrapped my Microsoft lab with the Lower end PCs, I had gave up playing about.
We need to spread awareness for reactOS so they can get more money for devs. They actually just got a new release. They are still in alpha but with more support we can cut down the time by hopefully a year or more! First they will be a alternative to windows xp, then vista, then 7, then 8, and then win10.
Been running LTSC 2019 on all production VMs at work and my personal PCs and it's been rock solid and running like a champ! Unfortunately Siemens in their immense wisdom still insists in providing SQL Server 2017 with their brand new products so 21H1 is not an option at the moment sadly... 😑
There is a compatibility issue as far as I understand with the database engine itself. When you work with TIA Portal the WinCC projects fail to detach their DB from the engine to compile.
@@MichaelSmith-fg8xh exactly them!! You love them too I see?? Well we are talking about the people that still send around CDs for their software... they converted on the last version of PCS7 to sending usb drives with the installers.
There were quite a few bumps and kinks when you daily drive LTSC on "hardware newer than them", especially on notebooks, and extra especially when you are using Ryzen. The unfortunate truth is to run the general Win10 Enterprise SAC with deferred updates and upgrades, jump through the hoops of optimizations and strip downs, you will need to know when you deploy them to your family members anyway.
To be honest I have never had any problems with win10 ltsc on my ryzen desktop(not laptop, but still ryzen cpu) for 3 years. Well, there were some problems, but it was just usual microsoft crap. Not some ltsc-specific problems.
Never had any problems with various types of hardware. It's just 10 stripped of all the crap. All the drivers even obscure ones made for different types of windows work. And it grabs the same update drivers as the normal 10. Where did you read this? Because in practice it isn't this way.
I'm currently using a Win10x64 Enterprise LTSC that I fished from The Bay and it's been running without a hitch for the last 3 years - with no unwanted updates, only security ones.
About the XP lineup, you're missing a couple: - Windows Embedded POSReady: A particular version of XP Embedded that was aimed (you guessed it!) for POS setups. What makes it a little different is that It has the proper XP GUI (even with an XP styled theme unique to that version) but of course it could be quite customized when installing. Fun fact: Windows Embedded POSReady 2008 was the very last XP edition to lose official support from MS. - Windows XP Starter Edition: Yes, the stupid Starter idea began with XP. A super slimmed down version meant for low resource PCs, launched in some Asian and Latin American countries. It couldn't run more than 3 applications at a time, each application couldn have more than 3 windows open at a time, the maximum resolution was 1024x768, maximum supported RAM was 512 GB and max HDD capacity was 120 GB... yikes.
In the comments on one of the MS Blog posts about changes to LTSC, they did say that there will be a win11 LTSC version, but it will take at least a year before it arrives. Since win10 LTSC just updated in November 2021, and it has 5 years of updates, this shouldn't be a huge concern. It is likely that win11 LTSC will take the two to three year release cycle before it arrives.
It was a fun little adventure installing win10 onto my PC, with the internet disconnected, going into powershell and just rampaging like a bull in a china shop. Everything Xbox in the name? gone. windows store? gone. Cortana? Dumpstered. Microsoft Account Sign-in Assistant, lol oh hell no. etc.I felt personally attacked when I heard win11 was going to be online installs only. Yall really gonna be that petty over the tiny fraction of users that de-malware their system before they let it onto the internet? Decided right then, it was a hard pass on using Win11 as an everyday use OS.
"Gone are the days of complete customization and control over your operating system." Well, sure, if you refuse to leave Windows. But then don’t complain about MS abusing you. If, for some reason, you think that Linux only being 1% of the desktop market somehow makes it a non-viable option, then switch to Mac. "No one is switching in numbers great enough to make Microsoft scared enough to change their practices." Huh? The point of switching isn’t supposed to be to "scare" MS into changing their practices so you can then come back. It’s to get out from under MS’s thumb.
um you DO know internet explorer and the windows explorer that runs the gui have literally nothing to do with each other, right? the fact that you can exclude internet explorer from FLP's install will have no impact on anything other than not having an internet browser, just like it would in any other version of modern windows.
Regarding the future availability of Windows 11 LTSC releases, I would think it's a pretty safe bet that we'll see that in a couple of years. After all, I think most everyone expects there to come new Windows Server releases down the line, and the desktop LTSC is basically just a different edition of the corresponding Windows Server release (same codebase, same update policy, etc).
Nice Video ...I too have been using Win 10 LTSC 2019 since 3 years and now shifted to Win 11 IoT Enterprise. Its base install size is 7 GB smaller than other WIn 11 versions and removal of bloatware is pretty easy too.
Sir! thanks to you I am the proud new owner of a Tesla m40. A very welcome upgrade from my 780 ti, especially at 1440p. And I actually made 20 bucks from the upgrade =) Thanks for all your hard work and great advice!
There are tools that allow you to modify/adjust Windows, including debloating and tweaking. Some are for the ISO (pre installation), others for live system (post installation).
Tron script might do it for a sysprepped thick image. The only caveat is the OneDrive gutting can lead to problems if you actually want to use it down the line and might end up having to reinstall the OS. Luckily since OneDrive is a worthless pile of garbage it shouldn't be an issue unless unfortunate enough to have to collab with an organization or school using it.
Last I heard both Linux and Mac OSs had increased by at least a point or two a piece. Yeah, it's not enough to scare Microsoft, but it does show the beginning of what I see as a good trend. That said, as someone permanently home on Linux now with no issues and all my stuff running fine, I am not too concerned on Windows wonkiness. I just have to deal with it at work, where our registers often no longer work properly after they were changed to Windows 10.
macOS is around 17% market share now. They had a massive 2020-2021. Record sales in the entire history of Apple. Linux goes up and down a percent every year. Apple doubled it's market share in the last 5 or so years. You would be suprised even how many companies are using macs these days. Linux market share is not growing hasn't in the same timeframe realistically. Not since gnome 2 stopped being a thing. Linux went from 1.4% to around 2% give or take in five or so years. Apple went from around 7% to 17% give or take some depending on the quarter. Microsoft is losing market share but not why you think typically. They are losing it to Apple. Also, bad news for Linux on server. Microsoft made massive and I mean massive gains in the server OS market share during the pandemic. Massive data center build up to keep up with demand ended up massive racks filled with whatever was fast and easy to get set up aka Windows Servers everywhere. Linux is so far behind even macOS in market share a percent or two in it's growth is so much smaller Microsoft nor apple care.
@@christopherfortney2544 Honestly since both are more or less based on Unix, Mac OS is like the closed source cousin to Linux, so I am kinda okay with their growth. In fact when it comes to software they are so beyond Microsoft in quality it isn't even funny. My only issue with Apple is their tendency to price gouge on hardware and hardware repairs.
Let's not forget about Windows Embedded POSReady 7, a stripped-down version of Windows 7 intended for use on EPOS systems. Also skipped over in the video were Windows Embedded 8 Standard and Windows Embedded 8.1 Industry Pro (dubbed by some as 'Windows 9') which were the likewise stripped-down versions for the Windows 8 family.
I came here actually expecting to hear about Windows 10 N edition. Back in the XP days, there was an anti-trust suit filed against Microsoft from the EU. Something about "forcing" people to use Internet Explorer, and Windows Media Player, and something something something. Microsoft ended up creating a version of Windows that didn't come with certain features, or rather, they were disabled by default. A company I used to work at had a volume license for Windows 10 Pro N. I seems like the big differentiator is actually JUST the fact that windows media player isn't included by default, but I noticed there were also no games, spotify, candy crush, all that BS installed either. It was basically the way Windows should be. Just a clean copy with basic microsoft offerings that you could either stick with, or change, or enable what you want. I don't know too much about it, and for all I know the N variant DID have all those games and stuff installed, but I just didn't do XY or Z to trigger the installs. We were using Windows 10 Pro N to install on Mini PCs for presentation centers and digital signage. These were Intel NUCs with full i7s, 8GB or RAM, and 256GB SSDs. ....man I miss Windows XP.
There was also a Windows 7 E that was produced for European Union countries and didn't include Internet Explorer. It was pulled at the last minute in favour of the Browser Choice ballot screen but ISOs of the final build were leaked.
It upsets me that most preboxed PCs always come with a windows license, which adds a couple of hundred dollars to the price. The first thing I do, is get rid of windows as soon as soon as I can stick a USB in there lol. God, I despise Microsoft.
I worked for a company that provided IT services to a bank(which I will not name) and when the time to upgrade came, the bank did not want to change their hardware and wanted to upgrade with the existing one. That was not possible and also the speed connections that the ATM's used was 7kbps... It was a long struggle untill they finally agreed that HW refresh was needed.
Don’t forget to mention the hacked versions of Windows XP. There was XP lite which you can use a different shell than explorer and you can customize the OS and rebuild the image with nLite. Those were the days.
As someone in IT, and has used Linux personally, Linux isn’t ready to overtake windows anytime soon as a personal operating system even though I wish it could. Microsoft very much has a monopoly on operating systems unless you are a heavy power user, and even then depending on your work it’s nearly impossible to completely stop relying on windows. The only other OS that could compete is MacOS but it being locked down so much and only available on Apple hardware stops it from being competitive. I honestly would strongly consider switching to MacOS if Apple sold and supported it for 3rd party hardware. The fact that you don’t need to actually buy windows anymore should be more than eye opening for any windows user, if Microsoft doesn’t require you to pay for their OS that they’re put more money and man hours into than any other Microsoft project… they must be making money off you some other way, oh, why hello telemetry ;)
my 10 year old brother and my 62 year old father both use only Linux(Fedora) and are happy with it, they are not power users actually they don't know anything about computers
I remember finding out about Windows Thin PC and installing it on my Pentium 4 3ghz, 2GB ram machine in 2010, just to install a modded driver for the GMA 945 iGPU. Even with the stripped down features (no indexing/searching is a big deal), it's still worth it every single day I used it. LTSC 2021 user now :)
Another interesting version, which is available as a virtual machine is the so called Windows For Developers. It comes with preinstalled Visual Studio and some coders applications. Needless to say the latest version is Windows 11 Enterprise with 65 days evaluation period and you can rearm it up to a 180 days (2 additional times) before you need to reinstall it from the ground up. So... This could be a good entry point for a clean Windows 11 experience. One more thing, Enterprise versions receive any kind of updates before any other version.
There's another option which I don't see mentioned much and better yet it is available from Microsoft sanctioned sources: Windows Server. A license for the "Essentials" version seems to be less than $400 and unlike LTSC it should run perfectly fine on just about any desktop or workstation.
I don't really recommend Server. There is a slight difference in configuration which affects multimedia performance. Specifically, I've had more issues with audio latency in DAWs and alike (I think I may even have a recording of it somewhere, it was audio crackling) I've never been able to figure out exactly where that config is though. The kernels should be the same between different branches so I have no idea where it would be other than something in the registry.
@@xan1242 Interesting. Maybe it's the Programs vs Background Services toggle in the advanced system properties, located on the same page as the virtual memory page file settings. I don't really know.
@@eDoc2020 Yes, you definitely need to tweak Windows Server if you want to use it as a workstation and that change you mentioned is one of the first things to do. Edit - Sorry, this is from a year ago. Carry on.
Personally I run Windows 8. The "forced updates" of Windows 10/11 were a complete and utter no go as far as I am concerned. Security updates are fine, new "feature" are not. And working in industry I have seen plenty of industrial applications just stop working due to a windows update, and that isn't acceptable in the slightest. (One reason most industrial applications are going to BSD and GNU/Linux.)
@@brodriguez11000 Depending on the application, the answer will vary. But there is usually a lot of advantages of having internet connected computers, usually the ease of transporting files over the network. Also, for people complaining about DRM in video games, then the industrial world is a fair bit ahead of that curve... Not to mention "software as a service", and "Always online" DRM is a thing. It is hard to not hate recurring license fees (in the thousands of dollars or more on a monthly basis) for specialty software for a tool one spent a fortune on already... And then they haven't included the maintenance subscription yet... (And right to repair is a nice thing to see on the horizon.)
For those looking for those "downloads" for alternate windows versions. They are available using the official windows media builder, you're just going to need to start it through powershell with the right flags. (the UI won't offer the versions, but they're there)
You didn't mention Windows 10 Pro for Workstations. It's Windows 10 Professional but it doesn't install 3rd party apps when installing it. I have been using it almost a year already and it's really great.
Ditto, was thinking why there wasn't anything mentioned about Win 10 Pro for Workstations. I've been running it on my X299 system and it games wonderfully and you don't get all those useless FB type games installed.
I'm surprised there was no mention of Windows Ultimate. Windows Ultimate included all of Windows Enterprise's features, along with all the features of Windows Media Center.
Depending on use case, Linux can work out of the box just fine, with no technical knowledge requirement. It definitely is for "I just browse the Internet and watch movies sometimes". For gamers it's making a lot of progress but still not there.
Just picked up an LTSC license and plan on installing it on my aging Core 2 Duo laptop, which is currently running a full-bloat version of Win10 Pro. Thanks for the tips!
I actually daily drove WinFLP on an Asus Eee 900 Netbook, as a Student in computing, I had access to MSDNAA and was able to install for "evaulation" and "educational purposes" under that license :)
Working in an organization that's already upgrading to Windows 11, the Enterprise edition doesn't seem to have any third party apps installed by default.
I work for a large company and we use LTSC for about half of our workstation endpoints. There are some differences that prevent their widespread use (some video/audio streaming things through VDI), but it’s pretty nice. Great video Jeff. Explained everything very well.
Did you just say windows 11 isn't as bloated as 10? Have you used 11? You hit the start menu and it's filled with 3rd party bloat, it is a ton worse than 10.
been running windows 10 ELTS for the last few months and it definitly feels faster then any other windows 10 copy ive used before. Great for quick installs and a ready-to-go OS without any pre fixes. Worth the search for it 100%
Running LTSC 2021, after being on LTSC 2018 and LTSB 2016. It's the only version of 10 that's actually good and not horrible. Reminds me a lot of 7, which I still run on my gaming desktop for everything except DX12 games. Sad that MS has decided only corporations deserve bloat-free and stable versions of Windows.
@@JPX64Channel I'm using a Ryzen 7 3700x and it works great. I'm also using a RTX 2060 Super Nvidia has native support for windows 7 and when it says ryzen is not supported there are simples ways around that to and it seems to work fine even tho they say it doesn't work.
@@DeadlyGopher : It is BUT I solved the problem buying a Bluetooth 5.0 dongle. Easiest BT installation ever (Win 7 x64) and it paired right up. The main thing the MS dongle is aside from latency, one can use the audio jack on the controller. I haven't tested that with the BT yet.
You kinda forgot to mention Windows XP POS ready which is the version of XP with the longest support from windows and then there is windows 10 PE which the most smallest windows 10 in terms of image size and very cut down with only command prompt and some basic tools. It is intended for repairing windows 10 install....
i like and use linux but its got a ways to go before the average user should switch. unless of course theyre willing to give up various things and we know most wont
Didn't knew there were so many versions available, and btw The manscape commercial u did was hilarious. I wish u happy holidays, and hopefully a better year and stay safe.
Don't forget - professionals drink responsibly. As for Windows 11, I suppose Microsoft had given up on the streamlined builds and know inevitibly, much like with Win10 there's going to be a Win11 AME. _More reasons to use Linux!_
AME is NOT fit for regular use at all - it removes entire Windows Update system, this means zero security updates too. Basically, its risky jsut connecting this system to the internet. The devs just handwave the entire issue by saying "Oh Windows is not secure anyway, so us removing all security updates doesn't change much, if you want a secure system you shouldn't use any Windows at all"
@@Shajirr_ True, but they could also work with the people behind Legacy Update to incorporate _their own_ update system with a fork of LU that's expressly for AME and kinda solve that problem by committing updates that aren't shit using their own CDN.
There are software markets to expand capabilities of any system, but for Windows, there's an entire market of software designed solely to fight the operating system to make it do what you want.
Running Ubuntu Mate here... mostly because my primary daily driver pc is a small tiny (energy frugal) APU based system that does all I need it to do (My "main" gaming PC is Windows... but I don't think I have turned it on in over a month... the little APU does most of the games I play well enough) 20 Years ago... hmmm I don't think I knew what Linux was (or that Macs existed) until 2008/2009 (first year of Uni)... and sure I tried them but it wasn't until the past few years that I started using Linux more (first for servers at work... and then as a normal home PC)
Giving Windows resources isn't a silver bullet... I have 4C/8T, 64GB RAM on my laptop (spec'd for virtualisation)... Windows guests want 10GB RAM more than Linux and the Windows host can have up to 90% CPU overhead if using secure boot / TPM.
@@MichaelSmith-fg8xh yeah the main reason the gaming machine runs windows is not because it has resources... It just that because publishers want their own launchers and shops... Jumping through every hoop emulating windows was too much of a pain when it ran Linux... Maybe next time I rebuild it I will go back to Linux again.
@@fatrobin72 I think the future of Linux gaming is bright because of cloud gaming... if you make the game run on Linux then you can have a kubernetes gaming cluster very quickly. In the meantime I'm voting with my wallet, I try to only buy games/hw that support Win and Lin.
Windows XP Home had many more major things removed than just group policy and active directory. One of the other drawbacks of Home Edition was for example inability to set file permissions (ACL) using GUI (Explorer). Fortunately, many of these things were re-added back in Home editions of Vista/7.
Well this was a video I wish had come out 1-2 years ago when I last ran into issues with W10. Good to know about for the future though. May well want it for certain use cases, like a laptop with dual-booted Linux for the odd use case or if either craps it.
I ran Windows FLPC for a couple of years. My only issues were: MUI packages were not 100% complete (at least in my language), and you couldn't use "redirect to null" in cmd.exe, due to the OS not including null.sys! (you could grab the one from the standard WinXP, and make it work... but that was an odd thing to remove :-D)
Recently switched from Pro to LTSC on my main systems and I'm never looking back. Getting my hands on an installer and verifying its legitimacy was a bit of work but I'd say it was well worth it.
When I bought the actual versions of MS Windows 10 pro license. I never had any bloat ware on it. It was only when I buy the discount version of Dell or HP computers that the bloat ware is all over it. I am talking about buying MS Windows 10 pro license and the license itself on disk. Not through Dell, Hp, or anyone else. When I buy HP or Dell, I would have to uninstall a bunch of stuff. The laptop were about 600 bucks and it was the end of year model and heavyly discounted. Normal price 900 buck. One time I was in a corporate meeting. That's right, here is the insider news. We started to order custom laptops with out bloat ware and it add 100 dollars to have it pre removed per machine. Really they have a setup disk that creates the MS Windows 10 and Dell adds the bloat ware, then recreates an OS Disk for you with the bloat ware to auto install every time you use it. Don't belive me. Start a business and ask them. But you have to make it look like your business is up and running. You will see.
Just an FYI, I've noticed that the Windows Developer preview ISO's also don't have any bloat. But I've got some issues with them not wanting to update properly and requiring a full reinstall for major version bumps, so I'd probably not recommend them for you grandma.
While we have the unofficial Windows 7 Super Lite, there is an official one called Windows Thin PC. That should say something. I expect Windows 10 LTSC and there it is.
Skipping Vista is as tradtion like you have said. Though Windows 8 (more so 8.1) being skipped felt a little sad to me as someone who used to use the Embedded 8.1 Enterprise version for a few years. I tried Windows 10 in multiple flavors (Home, Pro, Enterprise LTSB/LTSC). Stuck on with Enterprise LTSC 2016 but I broke it at some point and switched back to normal Pro version and just switched back yesterday to LTSC, 2019 this time since it has the extended support til 2029 (a pro for me since I don't need Windows 11). While less bloat, there's still telemetry in the OS and I had to strip what i could find. Nice that the Enterprise ones use less ram (regular ~2gb, enterprise ~1.4gb)
Just installed Win 10 LTSC 2021, gotta say it runs very nice, especially as a lighter weight NT based server OS. Gonna mess around with windows server after this
@@LauwieTech Microsoft themselves publishes it, it's not a secret. The secret sauce though is in using a KMS server to keep it activated. Google is your friend, much bounty abounds over yonder
A lot of the apps like candy crush are not pre-installed. They are just links to the store. Once you click on them, the Microsoft store starts actually downloading them. Just don't click on them and remove them.
Lol, I remember getting win 7 starter on a cheap shop PC in 2010, it led to me figuring out torrents to pirate a decent windows. Then to building my own PC. Thanks for educating me on how to rip you off Microsoft.
Microsoft introduces wonderful paradigm shifts with each Windows release. Windows 10: In the past, the user chose the OS - Today, the OS chooses the user. In the past, the user had control over his data. - Today, the OS controls what data it shares and with whom. Windows 11: In the past, the user chose which OS to run on his PC. - In the future, the PC will decide which OS can run. In the past, the user could trust the PC to do what it wants. - In the future, other entities can trust the PC to do what they want. What a brave new world!
I will never understand why people continue to use Windows. It is not a consumer operating system, you are not a consumer. You are a product, it is a platform. Meanwhile, I'll be over here gaming on Linux. There is nothing I cannot do. Including uninstalling the default web browser.
My Favorite Debloated Windows Version - Windows PE (with some mods). It's surprisingly useable with some additional software, the Russians made it into a ultra-fast, low resource options for running a huge suite of 'portable' (virtualized pirated software) that can boot from anything on anything. Thanks Sergei Strelec! If you need a purpose built operating system, it makes Windows LTSC seem slow and bloated. I just wish they had a real Windows Embedded option still that could be licensed. Then there is the 3rd parties like Operkin who made a business around selling strip down Windows 10 lite versions. productivity apps, remote support tools, etc. The PC hardware running some of these systems is was released a decade ago, and they wonder why the system has gotten so slow. It shocking how many IT people don't even know what Windows LTSC is. There also seems to be a trend of large organizations (mine included) which require the previously mentioned spyware/bloatware/security software on our corporate issues PCs. All this crap takes resources. My CPU fan is running at 75% when Windows 10 Pro is idling. I can't go much over an hour without killing my laptop battery. Thankfully I can dual-boot to another drive running a clean OS or Linux if I'm feeling saucy. Cheers.
1:49 Funny you say that; For two months or so, I had completely switched my laptop from windows to linux mint. But I ended up doing a dualboot because that specific laptop has the worst graphics for linux. Old, mobile nvidia. Drivers are poop. Don't even work AT ALL on its current installation, so I use the open source.
I like how you honored the tradition of skipping Windows Vista and then didn't even mention Windows 8 at all.
well the funny thing is that windows 7 is just polished vista and 8.1 is the last perfect os from microsoft. If only it didn’t introduced metro ui..
Windows 2000 also didn't exist
mention what?
🙌🏽 This!
Vista eh?windows 8? what is that?
The (spot on) intro rant is why Valve needs to get the Steam Deck right. If they do Linux has a chance to put a dent into Microsoft.
i want it to but i doubt it ever will
@@christianwatt2924 I'm more optimistic this time. There is a whole new generation of kids that have never touched a PC, Windows or otherwise, because of phones, tablets, and consoles. Throw in hardware shortages in the last couple of years when not many kids were getting new PCs for holidays. A lot of tech YT channels are suffering because of the general decline in PC building interest lately. Valve is in a unique position with Steam Deck to capture this audience into a Linux ecosystem. After a positive experience with a gaming device like that, would a kid willingly go to Windows for their first "real" computer? I doubt it. It's Valve's game to lose at this point.
It doesn't matter. ChromeOS and Android are Linux and look at the bloat that is included on those systems. Any commercial entity will add bloat. Valve is no exception.
@@Dmitriy.0 and then you woke up
The problem with Desktop Linux they need to be heavily customized ans locked down to ensure good experience for end user
They just become another commercial OS with Linux kernel
Best version of Windows was 2000. Ran it for years didn't have a single problem, supported all the hardware (at the time), and ran everything I threw at it without a hitch. It did what an OS should, it got out of the way and was a stable base to install run programs. Today OS's try to do too much beyond their core function.
I still involuntarily remember the VLK serial, RBDC9-VTRC8....
I used 2000se for yrs my favorite one
Did you try Linux? (Like Xubuntu)
I was an early adopter of Windows ME. I didn't have any major issues with it. If hardware wasn't natively supported by ME, I used Windows 2000 drivers. I pretty much did that with later Windows versions, if a driver didn't exist, use the previous version's driver.
@Swim Fan So you're saying their management are petty vengeful psychopaths? I could believe that. 2k was sweet tho
One thing I noticed with Microsoft OS is the subtle naming changes, little things matter and show an intent.
As an example "My Computer" has now changed to "This PC" the label of ownership has gone, it is implied windows is no longer something you own, it has become a service.
This seems to have been done intentionally.
Perceptive.
Extrapolating that, one would expect "My Documents" to become something like "This Files".
More likely it was done for clarity. UX writing is really difficult to remember which tense you're supposed to use ("Shut off your PC" vs "Show my files" or whatever). And I can only imagine how many people got confused when receiving phone support ("No no, not MY computer, click the computer icon labeled My Computer" "What about your computer? I need help with MY computer!")
@@samhenrigold I'm only that obtuse to the Microsoft Support Center who calls me to tell me their servers are detecting suspicious activity on my PC. But when they try to show me each and every thing, I suddenly become 50% deaf, 75% blind, and 100% senile... "My nephew usually takes care of this for me. Now, which one is the Windows key again?"
i like that change, it makes sense. You can rename it back though so not a biggie.
We were debloating Windows XP very early on. Some of it was definitely documented. This was something we did on our gaming boxes, and what I did for the 100s of desktops and laptops I supported at the time for work.
I used 98Lite to debloat Windows ME in the late 90s. It replaced the UI elements from 98 or ME with the older ones from 95, but the OS itself was up to date. It was comparable to the way Windows 2000 relates to Windows XP in terms of performance and bloat.
What was that website everyone used? Black Viper or Venom or something. 🤔
I used to use Tiny XP.
@@turbo1gts Yup, that was the shiat back in the day.
And was a darn sight easier than when gaming involved creating boot floppies to get the exact right mix of low/high/extended ram, IRQ configurations, and TSRs to get the specific game you wanted to play to work correctly.
@@utubepunk eXPerience was a guy from the UK who made Tiny Windows XP and Server 2003 isos optimized for gaming. Server 2003 was mostly what I used at the time.
I will always regard Windows 2000 as my favorite OS, it was rock solid. Currently on Windows 11 and I haven't ran any scripts etc to remove boat but I have just uninstalled any apps I didn't want and after several updates they have not come back, maybe MS has learnt somewhat.
I still think that Windows 2000 was excellent, in that there was no bloat at all and everything just worked. If they'd just kept updating it, I'd have been perfectly happy.
@@Starfireaw11 Windows 2000 was very stable too i found, I remember fondly using it at college. Then studying Windows XP. I have played with windows NT4 which showed me the way to server stuff. Hence why i studied microsoft windows nearly 20 years ago. Got me no where at all, due to supply of and demand in the area i live in.
2000 definitely was a great OS. Liked 98SE also, best DOS based version. XP was damn near perfect, aside from the fact that every virus known to man was written for it. Vista was horrible, 7 was excellent and 10 was fine after removing the bloatware and disabling the spyware. All my systems are on 11 now (i5 8th gen, i7 6th gen and a brand new 11th gen ASRock gaming PC). So far 11 has been great. Funny how remnants that go back as far as Windows 2000 are still buried throughout this supposed "new" OS. 😆
@@rhar1044 11 has also been solid for me, I even forgot I was still on the beta updates after release and still had no issues.
11 here
im on amd ryzen 3 with no issues, maybe because i use debloated version,and yes it was stable and looks good,for win10 i think 1709 build was the best build
In 2013 I was the last employee of the 14,000 person corporation I worked for with windows XP on my computer. We had skipped windows 7 and moseyed right up to windows 8. Every time
the windows 8 update begin to download I would shut off the desk top. I never left my desktop running during lunch hour comer and I never left it running on the weekends .One day I returned from lunch and found 2 people from IT sitting in my cube. They told me login and then sat and watched my computer update to windows 8. They understood my reluctance to update and love for windows XP but it was time to move on as I had no choice.
classic shell.
I love how brutaly honest he was when he said we're the 1% as much as I want to argue I really can't...
It's my bad of honour to wear... Or shame...
There is nothing wrong with being in the minority. Better to fly under the radar than get blown out of the sky, I say.
That depends on country according to statcounter. Example in India Linux have 4% marketshare and in Norway over 7%.
Hehe yes everyone tried it but windows is just the wide common where everything runs without any programming knowledge. Also the whole thing is just better. Nothing against Linux for programmers and Apple for designers but just work related, the daily driver is just windows.
@@ltcactus5981 so you see how small the margins are... When Ms owns 30times and more of the percentage.
On 100 windows user come 2-3 Linux and apple users, in a city with 1 million windows users it would be less than an 30000 apple and Linux users on average only only half of it, and consider that this city have a pop of 1.2million people. So the people who not use pcs are so much more 😅 so better you not try too squeeze some small percentage for Linux out of the global stats, it's just not worth, because it is and will be just a very small minority.
I "made the switch" to manjaro this past year via duel booting... All I can say is Im impressed how far its come in 4 years and also excited to hear the community is hardcore focusing on improving the linux desktop experience as their goal for 2022!
My colleague tried to install Manjaro, but it started glitching after the first updates. So he opted to Mint + Cinnamon, this combo fits best for his job and his hardware.
@@wickeddubz I experience similar things, fixed pretty much all of it by doing some sudo magic and getting an updated LTS kernal
@@burningglory2373 that’s great! Personally, i’m gonna go with Fedora or Mint.
@@wickeddubz personally I cant wait for the multimonitor support thats supposed to come from kde this year, I heard kde is finally switching to wailand from x.
@@burningglory2373 being myself 2 monitor adept, this is a must have feature for any graphic environment and engine
I switched to Linux after Windows 7. I was into writing code in the 80's a little bit, until windows came out. I think it actual stopped me from wanting to code. Now I am interested again, and it's because I started using Linux and had to use a terminal. I have also discovered that there are Linux versions that are as easy to use as Windows.
Man there are so many distributions of Linux that are awesome. I'm gamer so for me it was really hard, but I learned that it isn't as bad as other people say, I'm able to play all the games I used to play on Windows under Linux Mint without any problem. I'm glad I switched. Also I can finally control the OS and it behaves the way I want it to behave, no auto bullshit updates, no GUI weather app Windows bullshit. It just works.
@@matyasselmek3673 I wish I was that lucky about a third of the games I play HATE Linux I am simply waiting for Steam OS 3.0 to come out then I make the full switch.
@@0Synergy I'm thinking about it too but I have two pieces of hardware that are not supported, and I need those to work and alternatives don't work nearly as well even on Windows because I want as seamless of a desktop setup as possible (Retro and modern capturing, and my microphone goes through a specific interface, I tried EasyEffects with a compatible interface but it didn't work the way I wanted). If those two pieces of hardware worked, I'd have zero issue switching as I've just been on and off Linux for about 10 years now. You could always do a single GPU passthrough for games. That's how I got away with Windows games that didn't work on Linux with either native or Proton.
Yea I tried Windows again recently... cmd, PowerShell and Winget leave much to be desired.... well compared to bash...
Even winbash was kinda straight up horrible in some aspects...
Great for you
I debloated Windows 10 21H2 for arm64 devices, including the Raspberry Pi.
I’ve activated it with no problems, no bloatware or telemetry. It uses 800MB when idle (less than Ubuntu) on a 4GB RAM system (Raspberry Pi 400).
If this is true, that’s just pathetic on MS’s part.
I work as remote IT support and internally groan when I see someone running Win10 on 4GB of RAM because the OS sitting there, doing nothing, uses over *3.2 GB of RAM* when Win7 used a fraction of that.
Really wish 7 was a more viable option in 2021. I want my Control Panel back, damn it.
@@_Neytir "I want my Control Panel back, damn it."
It's still there.
I believe on Windows 11 the few games or apps (I think mine had some GIF app) you see in the start menu aren't actually installed, but are just icons that will install or take you to the store when clicked. And honestly even XP Pro had a "try msn" shortcut on the desktop and such, so I think they're really back to being pretty benign again. There's not a lot of junk to clean. Like it was 20 years ago, now again you can just right click and remove the shortcut you don't want and pretty much be done.
Now about cutting it off from the internet and identify every attempted outgoing traffic to get rid of hidden bloats...
I remember that Try MSN thing, I saw it pop up once, after OS install. Never saw it again. Quite a bit different from the weekly reminders to back up my Desktop/etc in OneDrive. Also MSN was free unless you also got dial up through them
@@Jack-hk4nn it was an icon on the desktop and an icon in the start menu. So you would see it every single day, hundreds of times a day, until you deleted it. Which was just like it is now right click the icon and choose remove/delete.
There are no weekly reminders to use OneDrive in Windows 10. One drive is not even part of Windows 10, it can be uninstalled or replaced with other cloud providers like iCloud or Google instead.
Yeah they are likely stubs, that download and install on click.. but some of the bloat straight up comes installed on your drive.
Wasn't there a "Media Center" version of XP as well? The task bar looked different.
This. Loved media center edition. Brushed the Areo gap between vista and 7.
It sure did exist. Looked great for its time when it was released.
Windows XP Media Center Edition, came installed on a PC I bought from Future Shop.
and he forgot he two versions of 64bit but heck its life. :P
Also Tablet Edition and 2 different 64-bit versions.
One more of note is Win 10 IoT edition, which is the successor to the "single application" OS builds you mentioned earlier. Also CE versions of Windows in the past.
An OS helps you load and run programs, save, transmit, and print out results.
The LAST OS from Microsoft was Windows 8.1
After that - it's ... something different. It's purpose has changed, and YOU are the product.
Thats what happens when you get a product for free
shit aint for free
@@fabiorosado they gave it for free for users of windows 7 and 8
@@jordanwardle11oh? Ok… where do I get a windows 10 or windows 11 key for free? Besides of an activator of course.
The official way please. Thanks.
If you don’t find anything, than don’t tell us, that is would be free. Thanks.
@@jonatan_1991 you don't need a key. So you don't need to pay for it
I feel glad to know that I wasn't the only one forcing Windows XP onto 200 and 233 Mhz Pentiums! Thank the gods for NTLite!
I found if you turned off the fancies in windows XP the system ran pretty well on Pentium 233 systems, but that was before service pack 2 came out. Stopped messing with windows XP and switched to windows 7 and scrapped my Microsoft lab with the Lower end PCs, I had gave up playing about.
We need to spread awareness for reactOS so they can get more money for devs. They actually just got a new release. They are still in alpha but with more support we can cut down the time by hopefully a year or more! First they will be a alternative to windows xp, then vista, then 7, then 8, and then win10.
will it run all windows softwares? hopfully
@@DeathDealer-DD Not all programs, because that would definitely lead to legal battles.
@@JosephM101 Ahhh....Humans -_-
@@DeathDealer-DD they can't use windows is code but you could definitely run winoffice in it eventually
Or y'know you could take the xp source code and use it to run on modern hardware ,porblem solved.
Been running LTSC 2019 on all production VMs at work and my personal PCs and it's been rock solid and running like a champ! Unfortunately Siemens in their immense wisdom still insists in providing SQL Server 2017 with their brand new products so 21H1 is not an option at the moment sadly... 😑
does 21H1 not support SQL 2017?
A newer version of LTSC has been released recently, runs just as good as 2019.
There is a compatibility issue as far as I understand with the database engine itself. When you work with TIA Portal the WinCC projects fail to detach their DB from the engine to compile.
@@BF26595 ...Siemens? We're talking about a vendor here where you can destroy their license file with a defrag
@@MichaelSmith-fg8xh exactly them!! You love them too I see?? Well we are talking about the people that still send around CDs for their software... they converted on the last version of PCS7 to sending usb drives with the installers.
I won’t promote links to ISO’s but I’ll promote alcohol to help numb the pain 😂
There were quite a few bumps and kinks when you daily drive LTSC on "hardware newer than them", especially on notebooks, and extra especially when you are using Ryzen.
The unfortunate truth is to run the general Win10 Enterprise SAC with deferred updates and upgrades, jump through the hoops of optimizations and strip downs, you will need to know when you deploy them to your family members anyway.
To be honest I have never had any problems with win10 ltsc on my ryzen desktop(not laptop, but still ryzen cpu) for 3 years. Well, there were some problems, but it was just usual microsoft crap. Not some ltsc-specific problems.
Never had any problems with various types of hardware. It's just 10 stripped of all the crap. All the drivers even obscure ones made for different types of windows work. And it grabs the same update drivers as the normal 10. Where did you read this? Because in practice it isn't this way.
I'm currently using a Win10x64 Enterprise LTSC that I fished from The Bay and it's been running without a hitch for the last 3 years - with no unwanted updates, only security ones.
About the XP lineup, you're missing a couple:
- Windows Embedded POSReady: A particular version of XP Embedded that was aimed (you guessed it!) for POS setups. What makes it a little different is that It has the proper XP GUI (even with an XP styled theme unique to that version) but of course it could be quite customized when installing.
Fun fact: Windows Embedded POSReady 2008 was the very last XP edition to lose official support from MS.
- Windows XP Starter Edition: Yes, the stupid Starter idea began with XP. A super slimmed down version meant for low resource PCs, launched in some Asian and Latin American countries. It couldn't run more than 3 applications at a time, each application couldn have more than 3 windows open at a time, the maximum resolution was 1024x768, maximum supported RAM was 512 GB and max HDD capacity was 120 GB... yikes.
1:53. Pfft. Please. I'm not JUST the 1%. I'm the 1% of the 1%. I run BSD.
Damn. You win mate 💀
there are literally DOZENS of you, DOZENS
BSD is dying - Netcraft confirms it!
In the comments on one of the MS Blog posts about changes to LTSC, they did say that there will be a win11 LTSC version, but it will take at least a year before it arrives. Since win10 LTSC just updated in November 2021, and it has 5 years of updates, this shouldn't be a huge concern. It is likely that win11 LTSC will take the two to three year release cycle before it arrives.
It was a fun little adventure installing win10 onto my PC, with the internet disconnected, going into powershell and just rampaging like a bull in a china shop. Everything Xbox in the name? gone. windows store? gone. Cortana? Dumpstered. Microsoft Account Sign-in Assistant, lol oh hell no. etc.I felt personally attacked when I heard win11 was going to be online installs only. Yall really gonna be that petty over the tiny fraction of users that de-malware their system before they let it onto the internet? Decided right then, it was a hard pass on using Win11 as an everyday use OS.
Yes, but - what are you going to do when Win10 stops being supported?
@@4.0.4 The same thing I did on my windows 7 system when that stopped being supported by microsoft. Absolutely nothing.
@@CKOD My windows seven system still seems to get the occasional update from Microsoft.
Well, we might not be in significant number yet. But we're slowly growing (I've switched about 1.5 months ago)...
"Gone are the days of complete customization and control over your operating system."
Well, sure, if you refuse to leave Windows. But then don’t complain about MS abusing you. If, for some reason, you think that Linux only being 1% of the desktop market somehow makes it a non-viable option, then switch to Mac.
"No one is switching in numbers great enough to make Microsoft scared enough to change their practices."
Huh? The point of switching isn’t supposed to be to "scare" MS into changing their practices so you can then come back. It’s to get out from under MS’s thumb.
um you DO know internet explorer and the windows explorer that runs the gui have literally nothing to do with each other, right? the fact that you can exclude internet explorer from FLP's install will have no impact on anything other than not having an internet browser, just like it would in any other version of modern windows.
Regarding the future availability of Windows 11 LTSC releases, I would think it's a pretty safe bet that we'll see that in a couple of years. After all, I think most everyone expects there to come new Windows Server releases down the line, and the desktop LTSC is basically just a different edition of the corresponding Windows Server release (same codebase, same update policy, etc).
Even if you clean everything in Windows, there's still going to be telemetry through the drivers and system devices, such as network drivers.
Nice Video ...I too have been using Win 10 LTSC 2019 since 3 years and now shifted to Win 11 IoT Enterprise. Its base install size is 7 GB smaller than other WIn 11 versions and removal of bloatware is pretty easy too.
Sir! thanks to you I am the proud new owner of a Tesla m40. A very welcome upgrade from my 780 ti, especially at 1440p. And I actually made 20 bucks from the upgrade =)
Thanks for all your hard work and great advice!
I used windows 10 ltsb that I found online and it was so much better than the regular version.
There are tools that allow you to modify/adjust Windows, including debloating and tweaking. Some are for the ISO (pre installation), others for live system (post installation).
Got some more info on that?
@@Donnerwamp WinAero tweaker is what I used after seeing an LTT video on it.
Tron script might do it for a sysprepped thick image. The only caveat is the OneDrive gutting can lead to problems if you actually want to use it down the line and might end up having to reinstall the OS. Luckily since OneDrive is a worthless pile of garbage it shouldn't be an issue unless unfortunate enough to have to collab with an organization or school using it.
Last I heard both Linux and Mac OSs had increased by at least a point or two a piece. Yeah, it's not enough to scare Microsoft, but it does show the beginning of what I see as a good trend. That said, as someone permanently home on Linux now with no issues and all my stuff running fine, I am not too concerned on Windows wonkiness. I just have to deal with it at work, where our registers often no longer work properly after they were changed to Windows 10.
macOS is around 17% market share now. They had a massive 2020-2021. Record sales in the entire history of Apple. Linux goes up and down a percent every year. Apple doubled it's market share in the last 5 or so years. You would be suprised even how many companies are using macs these days. Linux market share is not growing hasn't in the same timeframe realistically. Not since gnome 2 stopped being a thing. Linux went from 1.4% to around 2% give or take in five or so years. Apple went from around 7% to 17% give or take some depending on the quarter. Microsoft is losing market share but not why you think typically. They are losing it to Apple. Also, bad news for Linux on server. Microsoft made massive and I mean massive gains in the server OS market share during the pandemic. Massive data center build up to keep up with demand ended up massive racks filled with whatever was fast and easy to get set up aka Windows Servers everywhere. Linux is so far behind even macOS in market share a percent or two in it's growth is so much smaller Microsoft nor apple care.
@@christopherfortney2544 Honestly since both are more or less based on Unix, Mac OS is like the closed source cousin to Linux, so I am kinda okay with their growth. In fact when it comes to software they are so beyond Microsoft in quality it isn't even funny. My only issue with Apple is their tendency to price gouge on hardware and hardware repairs.
@2:08 When Jeff is frustrated with Microsoft and it shows in the beer after the jump cut.
Was I that obvious 🤣
Let's not forget about Windows Embedded POSReady 7, a stripped-down version of Windows 7 intended for use on EPOS systems. Also skipped over in the video were Windows Embedded 8 Standard and Windows Embedded 8.1 Industry Pro (dubbed by some as 'Windows 9') which were the likewise stripped-down versions for the Windows 8 family.
I came here actually expecting to hear about Windows 10 N edition.
Back in the XP days, there was an anti-trust suit filed against Microsoft from the EU. Something about "forcing" people to use Internet Explorer, and Windows Media Player, and something something something. Microsoft ended up creating a version of Windows that didn't come with certain features, or rather, they were disabled by default.
A company I used to work at had a volume license for Windows 10 Pro N. I seems like the big differentiator is actually JUST the fact that windows media player isn't included by default, but I noticed there were also no games, spotify, candy crush, all that BS installed either. It was basically the way Windows should be. Just a clean copy with basic microsoft offerings that you could either stick with, or change, or enable what you want.
I don't know too much about it, and for all I know the N variant DID have all those games and stuff installed, but I just didn't do XY or Z to trigger the installs. We were using Windows 10 Pro N to install on Mini PCs for presentation centers and digital signage. These were Intel NUCs with full i7s, 8GB or RAM, and 256GB SSDs.
....man I miss Windows XP.
There was also a Windows 7 E that was produced for European Union countries and didn't include Internet Explorer. It was pulled at the last minute in favour of the Browser Choice ballot screen but ISOs of the final build were leaked.
It upsets me that most preboxed PCs always come with a windows license, which adds a couple of hundred dollars to the price. The first thing I do, is get rid of windows as soon as soon as I can stick a USB in there lol. God, I despise Microsoft.
I worked for a company that provided IT services to a bank(which I will not name) and when the time to upgrade came, the bank did not want to change their hardware and wanted to upgrade with the existing one. That was not possible and also the speed connections that the ATM's used was 7kbps... It was a long struggle untill they finally agreed that HW refresh was needed.
I worked on an ATM AC unit a couple years ago and the computer inside was running XP. I don't use their ATMs anymore.
@@JHACbiz I know right, our job was to take from XP to Win 7. We succeeded in doing it but man a lot of overtime and sleepless nights.
Don’t forget to mention the hacked versions of Windows XP. There was XP lite which you can use a different shell than explorer and you can customize the OS and rebuild the image with nLite. Those were the days.
Shell replacement has kind of fallen by the wayside.
As someone in IT, and has used Linux personally, Linux isn’t ready to overtake windows anytime soon as a personal operating system even though I wish it could. Microsoft very much has a monopoly on operating systems unless you are a heavy power user, and even then depending on your work it’s nearly impossible to completely stop relying on windows. The only other OS that could compete is MacOS but it being locked down so much and only available on Apple hardware stops it from being competitive. I honestly would strongly consider switching to MacOS if Apple sold and supported it for 3rd party hardware.
The fact that you don’t need to actually buy windows anymore should be more than eye opening for any windows user, if Microsoft doesn’t require you to pay for their OS that they’re put more money and man hours into than any other Microsoft project… they must be making money off you some other way, oh, why hello telemetry ;)
The Hackintosh crowd has been dealing with those issues.
my 10 year old brother and my 62 year old father both use only Linux(Fedora) and are happy with it, they are not power users actually they don't know anything about computers
I remember finding out about Windows Thin PC and installing it on my Pentium 4 3ghz, 2GB ram machine in 2010, just to install a modded driver for the GMA 945 iGPU.
Even with the stripped down features (no indexing/searching is a big deal), it's still worth it every single day I used it. LTSC 2021 user now :)
Another interesting version, which is available as a virtual machine is the so called Windows For Developers. It comes with preinstalled Visual Studio and some coders applications. Needless to say the latest version is Windows 11 Enterprise with 65 days evaluation period and you can rearm it up to a 180 days (2 additional times) before you need to reinstall it from the ground up.
So... This could be a good entry point for a clean Windows 11 experience. One more thing, Enterprise versions receive any kind of updates before any other version.
Running GNU/Linux for 10 months and it's so much better, no "we know how better" bullshit from anyone.
There's another option which I don't see mentioned much and better yet it is available from Microsoft sanctioned sources: Windows Server. A license for the "Essentials" version seems to be less than $400 and unlike LTSC it should run perfectly fine on just about any desktop or workstation.
I don't really recommend Server. There is a slight difference in configuration which affects multimedia performance. Specifically, I've had more issues with audio latency in DAWs and alike (I think I may even have a recording of it somewhere, it was audio crackling)
I've never been able to figure out exactly where that config is though. The kernels should be the same between different branches so I have no idea where it would be other than something in the registry.
@@xan1242 Interesting. Maybe it's the Programs vs Background Services toggle in the advanced system properties, located on the same page as the virtual memory page file settings. I don't really know.
@@eDoc2020 Yes, you definitely need to tweak Windows Server if you want to use it as a workstation and that change you mentioned is one of the first things to do.
Edit - Sorry, this is from a year ago. Carry on.
Personally I run Windows 8.
The "forced updates" of Windows 10/11 were a complete and utter no go as far as I am concerned. Security updates are fine, new "feature" are not.
And working in industry I have seen plenty of industrial applications just stop working due to a windows update, and that isn't acceptable in the slightest. (One reason most industrial applications are going to BSD and GNU/Linux.)
Should "most" industrial applications even be connected to the internet?
@@brodriguez11000 Depending on the application, the answer will vary.
But there is usually a lot of advantages of having internet connected computers, usually the ease of transporting files over the network.
Also, for people complaining about DRM in video games, then the industrial world is a fair bit ahead of that curve... Not to mention "software as a service", and "Always online" DRM is a thing.
It is hard to not hate recurring license fees (in the thousands of dollars or more on a monthly basis) for specialty software for a tool one spent a fortune on already... And then they haven't included the maintenance subscription yet... (And right to repair is a nice thing to see on the horizon.)
For those looking for those "downloads" for alternate windows versions. They are available using the official windows media builder, you're just going to need to start it through powershell with the right flags. (the UI won't offer the versions, but they're there)
How i can make this?
You didn't mention Windows 10 Pro for Workstations. It's Windows 10 Professional but it doesn't install 3rd party apps when installing it. I have been using it almost a year already and it's really great.
Ditto, was thinking why there wasn't anything mentioned about Win 10 Pro for Workstations.
I've been running it on my X299 system and it games wonderfully and you don't get all those useless FB type games installed.
@@revrndcast3918 it still has the tracking stuff
I'm surprised there was no mention of Windows Ultimate. Windows Ultimate included all of Windows Enterprise's features, along with all the features of Windows Media Center.
Another gem of a Manscaped ad. Did they hire you as marketing yet? Happy new year and all the good!
Depending on use case, Linux can work out of the box just fine, with no technical knowledge requirement. It definitely is for "I just browse the Internet and watch movies sometimes". For gamers it's making a lot of progress but still not there.
People are not ready for Linuxes and Linuxes are not ready for people.
watch films online - I feel like this wouldn't work, or at least you'd be resolution limited due to Widevine DRM which I don't think works in Linux
@@lbsiuk most linux users don't use netflix
@@LordiGFX proof please - also it's baked into a lot more things than just Netflix, Disney+, Amazon Prime Video, Hulu, TH-cam Movies all use Widevine.
@@lbsiuk I am running Linux Mint on my main computer and I can run Netflix and Disney+ on my browser just fine.
Just picked up an LTSC license and plan on installing it on my aging Core 2 Duo laptop, which is currently running a full-bloat version of Win10 Pro. Thanks for the tips!
Where did you get it from?
I actually daily drove WinFLP on an Asus Eee 900 Netbook, as a Student in computing, I had access to MSDNAA and was able to install for "evaulation" and "educational purposes" under that license :)
Working in an organization that's already upgrading to Windows 11, the Enterprise edition doesn't seem to have any third party apps installed by default.
I've noticed that simply connecting to a domain suppresses a lot of the additional apps.
@@williamfeely6264 Time to build a home server domain it seems
@@DanielMaixner I have one whose primary server is Samba and secondary is Windows Server 2025 Insider Preveiw running on a cheapo mini-PC.
I work for a large company and we use LTSC for about half of our workstation endpoints. There are some differences that prevent their widespread use (some video/audio streaming things through VDI), but it’s pretty nice. Great video Jeff. Explained everything very well.
Did you just say windows 11 isn't as bloated as 10? Have you used 11? You hit the start menu and it's filled with 3rd party bloat, it is a ton worse than 10.
Exactly!
@Iaonnis um no, there is literally a button to uninstall them. Any time I setup windows 11 I uninstall at LEAST 10 things off the start menu.
been running windows 10 ELTS for the last few months and it definitly feels faster then any other windows 10 copy ive used before. Great for quick installs and a ready-to-go OS without any pre fixes. Worth the search for it 100%
ELTS?
Running LTSC 2021, after being on LTSC 2018 and LTSB 2016. It's the only version of 10 that's actually good and not horrible. Reminds me a lot of 7, which I still run on my gaming desktop for everything except DX12 games. Sad that MS has decided only corporations deserve bloat-free and stable versions of Windows.
Lets not forget Windows XP Media Center edition. I still have the CD's for that. It came on 2 discs.
I'm still rocking windows 7. It runs all the software I throw at it and also you can still receive security updates if you want to.
lucky 4 you! ryzen doesnt support windows 7 at all, even if it was a way of installing it, you would need a gpu compatible with it.
@@JPX64Channel I'm using a Ryzen 7 3700x and it works great. I'm also using a RTX 2060 Super Nvidia has native support for windows 7 and when it says ryzen is not supported there are simples ways around that to and it seems to work fine even tho they say it doesn't work.
Now try and install an Xbox wireless receiver. Nope, windows 10 only, and MS pulled the Windows 7/8 drivers.
@@brodriguez11000 That's a shame I last used one a few years ago to play GTA. But now all my controllers have terrible drift.
@@DeadlyGopher : It is BUT I solved the problem buying a Bluetooth 5.0 dongle. Easiest BT installation ever (Win 7 x64) and it paired right up. The main thing the MS dongle is aside from latency, one can use the audio jack on the controller. I haven't tested that with the BT yet.
You kinda forgot to mention Windows XP POS ready which is the version of XP with the longest support from windows and then there is windows 10 PE which the most smallest windows 10 in terms of image size and very cut down with only command prompt and some basic tools. It is intended for repairing windows 10 install....
i like and use linux but its got a ways to go before the average user should switch. unless of course theyre willing to give up various things and we know most wont
1:52 Hey we are 2% now! If we continue with this speed we can dominate the market by year 2500!
So glad I switched to Linux after Win7 eol. Now I feel like using windows is like a kid using a toy.
Didn't knew there were so many versions available, and btw The manscape commercial u did was hilarious. I wish u happy holidays, and hopefully a better year and stay safe.
Don't forget - professionals drink responsibly.
As for Windows 11, I suppose Microsoft had given up on the streamlined builds and know inevitibly, much like with Win10 there's going to be a Win11 AME. _More reasons to use Linux!_
AME is NOT fit for regular use at all - it removes entire Windows Update system, this means zero security updates too.
Basically, its risky jsut connecting this system to the internet.
The devs just handwave the entire issue by saying "Oh Windows is not secure anyway, so us removing all security updates doesn't change much, if you want a secure system you shouldn't use any Windows at all"
@@Shajirr_ True, but they could also work with the people behind Legacy Update to incorporate _their own_ update system with a fork of LU that's expressly for AME and kinda solve that problem by committing updates that aren't shit using their own CDN.
There are software markets to expand capabilities of any system, but for Windows, there's an entire market of software designed solely to fight the operating system to make it do what you want.
not as clean when you’re stuck in it
I run FLP on my CNC machines. No bloat steady and reliable CNC machining.
Running Ubuntu Mate here... mostly because my primary daily driver pc is a small tiny (energy frugal) APU based system that does all I need it to do (My "main" gaming PC is Windows... but I don't think I have turned it on in over a month... the little APU does most of the games I play well enough)
20 Years ago... hmmm I don't think I knew what Linux was (or that Macs existed) until 2008/2009 (first year of Uni)... and sure I tried them but it wasn't until the past few years that I started using Linux more (first for servers at work... and then as a normal home PC)
Giving Windows resources isn't a silver bullet... I have 4C/8T, 64GB RAM on my laptop (spec'd for virtualisation)... Windows guests want 10GB RAM more than Linux and the Windows host can have up to 90% CPU overhead if using secure boot / TPM.
@@MichaelSmith-fg8xh yeah the main reason the gaming machine runs windows is not because it has resources... It just that because publishers want their own launchers and shops... Jumping through every hoop emulating windows was too much of a pain when it ran Linux... Maybe next time I rebuild it I will go back to Linux again.
@@fatrobin72 I think the future of Linux gaming is bright because of cloud gaming... if you make the game run on Linux then you can have a kubernetes gaming cluster very quickly. In the meantime I'm voting with my wallet, I try to only buy games/hw that support Win and Lin.
Who wants to get trimmed with the cold out there... let the bears hibernate...
That sponsorship was festive XD love it
Windows XP Home had many more major things removed than just group policy and active directory. One of the other drawbacks of Home Edition was for example inability to set file permissions (ACL) using GUI (Explorer). Fortunately, many of these things were re-added back in Home editions of Vista/7.
Well this was a video I wish had come out 1-2 years ago when I last ran into issues with W10. Good to know about for the future though. May well want it for certain use cases, like a laptop with dual-booted Linux for the odd use case or if either craps it.
I'm daily driving win 10 Iot Enterprise LTSC 2021 for nearly a year now. Activated using MAS HWID
I ran Windows FLPC for a couple of years. My only issues were: MUI packages were not 100% complete (at least in my language), and you couldn't use "redirect to null" in cmd.exe, due to the OS not including null.sys! (you could grab the one from the standard WinXP, and make it work... but that was an odd thing to remove :-D)
Recently switched from Pro to LTSC on my main systems and I'm never looking back.
Getting my hands on an installer and verifying its legitimacy was a bit of work but I'd say it was well worth it.
did you get a license? if yes where did you got it?
When I bought the actual versions of MS Windows 10 pro license. I never had any bloat ware on it. It was only when I buy the discount version of Dell or HP computers that the bloat ware is all over it.
I am talking about buying MS Windows 10 pro license and the license itself on disk. Not through Dell, Hp, or anyone else.
When I buy HP or Dell, I would have to uninstall a bunch of stuff. The laptop were about 600 bucks and it was the end of year model and heavyly discounted. Normal price 900 buck.
One time I was in a corporate meeting. That's right, here is the insider news. We started to order custom laptops with out bloat ware and it add 100 dollars to have it pre removed per machine. Really they have a setup disk that creates the MS Windows 10 and Dell adds the bloat ware, then recreates an OS Disk for you with the bloat ware to auto install every time you use it.
Don't belive me. Start a business and ask them. But you have to make it look like your business is up and running. You will see.
You should upload just the Manscape commercial alone so we can share and give you credit.
Just an FYI, I've noticed that the Windows Developer preview ISO's also don't have any bloat. But I've got some issues with them not wanting to update properly and requiring a full reinstall for major version bumps, so I'd probably not recommend them for you grandma.
While we have the unofficial Windows 7 Super Lite, there is an official one called Windows Thin PC. That should say something.
I expect Windows 10 LTSC and there it is.
Skipping Vista is as tradtion like you have said. Though Windows 8 (more so 8.1) being skipped felt a little sad to me as someone who used to use the Embedded 8.1 Enterprise version for a few years.
I tried Windows 10 in multiple flavors (Home, Pro, Enterprise LTSB/LTSC). Stuck on with Enterprise LTSC 2016 but I broke it at some point and switched back to normal Pro version and just switched back yesterday to LTSC, 2019 this time since it has the extended support til 2029 (a pro for me since I don't need Windows 11). While less bloat, there's still telemetry in the OS and I had to strip what i could find. Nice that the Enterprise ones use less ram (regular ~2gb, enterprise ~1.4gb)
Jesus Mighty Christ, u call 1.4gigs acceptable, bruh. I'am running Manjaro Linux on xfce and it takes around 800mb.
LTSC should be what the standard Windows install should be.
Just installed Win 10 LTSC 2021, gotta say it runs very nice, especially as a lighter weight NT based server OS. Gonna mess around with windows server after this
It's not server based.
@@LauwieTech Microsoft themselves publishes it, it's not a secret. The secret sauce though is in using a KMS server to keep it activated. Google is your friend, much bounty abounds over yonder
How different is it from 2018 version? I still use that.
link please
A lot of the apps like candy crush are not pre-installed. They are just links to the store. Once you click on them, the Microsoft store starts actually downloading them. Just don't click on them and remove them.
I run iot LTSC its awesome!
Lol, I remember getting win 7 starter on a cheap shop PC in 2010, it led to me figuring out torrents to pirate a decent windows. Then to building my own PC. Thanks for educating me on how to rip you off Microsoft.
The biggest problem with LTSC2021 is that it doesn't include winget, so keeping third party software I do want to run updated is a bit more annoying.
LTSC 21H2 has winget
Microsoft introduces wonderful paradigm shifts with each Windows release.
Windows 10:
In the past, the user chose the OS - Today, the OS chooses the user.
In the past, the user had control over his data. - Today, the OS controls what data it shares and with whom.
Windows 11:
In the past, the user chose which OS to run on his PC. - In the future, the PC will decide which OS can run.
In the past, the user could trust the PC to do what it wants. - In the future, other entities can trust the PC to do what they want.
What a brave new world!
Arch Linux FTW
I want to say is that the Commercial that you did is probably one of the best I’ve seen so far!!!
I remember windows 7N and windows 8N being a thing they also appeared to be a clean version of those operating systems.
the N versions btw. are versions of windows that do not include media features like windows media player
The N versions were only sold in European markets... it was the result of some kind of EU court ruling, if I remember correctly.
@@Blinkerd00d Yep, they were originally going to call it Windows XP Reduced Media Edition but were forced to change it.
The scary part is that I can immediately name off the top of my head at least one Windows 10 non-server SKU that you missed
I will never understand why people continue to use Windows. It is not a consumer operating system, you are not a consumer. You are a product, it is a platform.
Meanwhile, I'll be over here gaming on Linux. There is nothing I cannot do. Including uninstalling the default web browser.
You're also paying money to be the product 😁
Applications that won't run on Linux, & in some cases have no Linux equivalents.
Now you either understand, or else are being purposely obtuse.
A CC video over breakfast. Best way to start the day
Linux from scratch, I think that less than a 10,000 people use it as there daily driver.
I think Zorin would be a great entryway into Linux for most people. I love the cleanliness of it
Ya know, the ad segment you did for the manscaped product was the first ad in a video I actually like!
My Favorite Debloated Windows Version - Windows PE (with some mods). It's surprisingly useable with some additional software, the Russians made it into a ultra-fast, low resource options for running a huge suite of 'portable' (virtualized pirated software) that can boot from anything on anything. Thanks Sergei Strelec! If you need a purpose built operating system, it makes Windows LTSC seem slow and bloated. I just wish they had a real Windows Embedded option still that could be licensed. Then there is the 3rd parties like Operkin who made a business around selling strip down Windows 10 lite versions.
productivity apps, remote support tools, etc. The PC hardware running some of these systems is was released a decade ago, and they wonder why the system has gotten so slow. It shocking how many IT people don't even know what Windows LTSC is.
There also seems to be a trend of large organizations (mine included) which require the previously mentioned spyware/bloatware/security software on our corporate issues PCs. All this crap takes resources. My CPU fan is running at 75% when Windows 10 Pro is idling. I can't go much over an hour without killing my laptop battery. Thankfully I can dual-boot to another drive running a clean OS or Linux if I'm feeling saucy. Cheers.
1:49 Funny you say that; For two months or so, I had completely switched my laptop from windows to linux mint.
But I ended up doing a dualboot because that specific laptop has the worst graphics for linux. Old, mobile nvidia. Drivers are poop. Don't even work AT ALL on its current installation, so I use the open source.