WHY DID YOU STOP BUYING GAMES?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- Games sales took bit of a drop at the end of last year here in the UK.
We take a look why, and what might be behind the poor sales of many of the year's biggest AAA games.
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I for one rarely buy new games anymore for the simple reason that I know I can probably buy the game in a month or so for half the price. I been screwed so many times in the past that I have learned my lesson. I'm impervious to hype now. Also need to see at least 4 or 5 reviews before I even consider buying it on sale
yep it can be really hard sometime's to hold back but its well worth it in the end and you are never disappointed because from just watching you tubes ect you know exactly what your getting. the only 2 full price games I bought last year were DOOM and FFXV and they were worth the asking price in my opinion. other years I would have bought games like Mafia 3 and been so pissed off.
gav_fitzpatrick exactly
I'm buying Titanfall 2 and Dishonored 2 this week for under 20 euro .. HAPPY DAYS
But even reviews are bullshit nowadays. Legally, companies cannot buy out review scores, but they can buy up ad revenue on review sites, which prompt the critics to give it a better score. Famous examples are IGN and Gamespot
gav_fitzpatrick Couple of people I know would get a cracked copy firs. If they love the game, they wouldn't mind buying it full price though they run into some issues a couple of times.
52 year old gamer. My assessment (for what it is worth) on new release sales drops , 1) pricing drops within weeks, no incentive to buy new, especially for people not interested in on line multiplayer, 2) No innovation, FPS, open world fetch and quest, and sports titles, 3) single player campaigns either dont exist or pitifully short, no replay ability, 4) no games for at home multiplayer with bots, 5) art direction falls secondary to "best graphics at release" making the graphic focused games dated very quickly, 6) digital titles cost more than physical discs unlike Amazon model for books, 7) obsession with terrible FOV first person games, totally unrealistic FOV, as no one walks around only able to see their hands. In real life you can see and are aware of your body without having to move your head around (i.e. In FPS games you have to move your head to see down), 7) no nostalgia except for Nintendo games, 8) terrible promotion of indie games, that is enough for now
Also, if you actually ARE interested in online multiplayer, when is the last time online ANYTHING worked on launch day?
DLC's should be made illegal, and Season Passes should be punishable by death.
Paid dlc should be haha. But the model witcher 3 used, needs to be adapted more often
I don't much like DLC either but the simple answer is: Don't Buy It
if you don't like it, don't buy it. they're not obligated to give you a good deal.
what protects a consumer is his ability to buy or not. Not another government bs.
I don't have a problem paying for extra content for a game, if that cost is justified. Skyrim DLC, Witcher 3 DLC, Fallout DLC, are all very good, very large, covering several more hours of content. But to charge me an extra 50 to 60 dollars for some more fuckin', maps, fuck you Call of Duty.
Or cosmetic DLC should be free like what CD Project Red did with Witcher 3.
Lack of quality control, Franchise Fatigue, Hype/Over promising, Greed.
short answer - most games are full of bugs and glitches. and if that wasn't enough , Half the fucking game is sold as dlc.
Nikos Rotziwkos yeah and not all games deserve a sequel
Exactly. Can't stand it when developers release a broken game then a few weeks later after you have finished the game they release a patch that makes the experience much better.
Point made. Anti consumer practices and they wonder why Gamers aren't buying their games anymore.
Nearly no games are full of bugs or glitches anymore. Gaming is better now than it has ever been. Witcher 3, New Vegas, Titanfall 2 and Battlefield 1, Skyrim, Overwatch, DOOM.
@Dylan Abela Really? How many PS2 games do you remember being released with catastrophic glitches? I don't remember a single one. Don't get me wrong, a single slightly annoying glitch or two in one out of six games...maybe, but nothing like the shite we've been handed in the last several years. I will NEVER preorder or buy a brand new game ever again because I have been forced to wait for three or more patches before the damn things are even half worth playing.
I didn't stop buying games, I just refuse to pay $79.99 for an incomplete game. Also, time to bring back demos and do away with pre-orders and season passes. You wouldn't buy a car solely based on review footage, right? You'd want to take it for a test drive. Sorry publishers, but the gig is up.
"Pre-order now and get this shiny gun that you won't ever use because it's vastly inferior to what you'll pick up after fifteen minutes of gameplay."
You should go to the top
and for and extra 200 you get these lame skin for guns
Just buy cars that better than games
Because it's not from Naughty Dog, Rockstar and CDProjekt Red.
imo, UC4 is not disappointing (but i respect your opinion) and by ND i also mean TLOU. :)
Yeah but only Uncharted 4 mostly. UC4 was and is AWESOME!!!!! YOU... IDIOT!
But, titanfall 2...
Dia Nuevo The games aren't bought with the money from his wallet, he asks daddy or mommy to buy hin these games
Yasha haven't played UC4 yet, but the last of us is one of my favorite recent games. And CDPR are just too damn awesome. So completely agree (I'm not as huge a fan of rockstar, but their games are fairly solid: you get what you pay for and more, so no complaints with them at all, unlike most other big game companies...)
Why did I stop? Coz a game has to give as much as the Witcher 3 to get the $60 price tag from me. That's the standard for a AAA title for me now!
I have no idea what people see in that game-I was utterly disgusted at the controls, combat, aimless story and mmorpg-esque padding. Glad I was able to try it out before following hype and 'reviews'-had enough of that bullshit when I went to the castle with the black haired chick.
I would have been so pissed if I bought it on steam-took more than two hours to appropriately assess the game and wouldn't be able to get a refund.
That's an opinion Sir, but the popular opinion is in favour of the Witcher 3. I also appreciate how CD Prokect Red favours gamers over business. But I will still be skeptical over buying Cyberpunk 2077 because well I've been ripped off by Devs in 2016 specially.
+Bai Laohu Well maybe people like it, because its a great game? With an even greater business model.
Even witcher devs can't afford to make a game after that lol. I don't think thats the best way to think about it. But with what is left after witcher no one will blame you for throwing in the towel lol.
Minervas den in bioshock 2 is also a fantastic dlc that is practically its own game.
This is hopefully a rude awaking to money grabbing devs.
Well money is the only thing the companys care about so yea lower sales is the only thing that will make them listen.
Devs, and publishers even more so. This industry is mostly a money-grubbing joke anymore. So many ridiculous concepts not present in other industries. Paid demos called early access, cosmetic DLCs. Would love to see the movie industry selling early access tickets with greenscreen showings instead of finished CGI effects. And pay extra to see certain content in movies. Want to see the Hulk in hulk form in the next Avengers movie? Only if you pay for the Hulk CGI DLC /facepalm.
I forgot about pre-orders. What a self-defeating consumer practice.
It's not the developers it's the publishers.
Toki Wartooth Pre-orders was a good thing in the old days when it was possible for games to run out of stock and you would need to wait a long time until you could get it.
Two words: Split Screen.
Its like there has been a concerted effort to kill the joy of gaming physically together with your friends. Whats up with everything being massively online multiplayer, with me having to shut off the mic, and play against strangers who speak another language?
There aren't even many good games that you can play together in a room on separate screens and consoles. There are tired, tired FPS that really aren't designed with many people who are actually in the same room. Who cares about trophies, I want to humiliate my friends in the flesh! Remember throwing controllers at each other? Extra hardware sales! Its brilliant!
This lack of soul sucks the joy out of gaming. Most gamers began by playing with a wide variety of games with several characters on the same screen (Gauntlet, Bomberman, Bubble Bobble, Mariokart, Starfox, NHL '97 etc etc etc). This is your demographic, gaming industry! People in their late 20's to mid 30's. They want that experience back. TVs are larger than ever. We all have our own living rooms. Connect the dots!
Its bad when I don't even know the term for these games, as a whole. Games where people actually get together. These games are the most fun. I truly miss the experience of gaming together with friends in the living room. Bring that back, get the sales.
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I bought Doom first, and it was an awesome game. Then I bought No man's Sky, Call of Duty, and Mafia 3 back to back. I lost my appetite to play games after that. But then Dishonored 2 hit stores, Bought it thinking it was Bethesda, what could go wrong (I had such good Doom experience), boy was I wrong. Dishonored 2 was marred with frame rate drops, and I have a GTX 1070. ZERO CONFIDENCE.
The developer is actually called "Id Software" who used their ID Tech 6 engine to develop Doom.
Your fault for buying a good game then shit after meh after shit
jesus! I know right! I got dishonored 2 and you know what's crazy?
Not spoiling anything but it ran so smooth for the first hour! I finished the dunwall mission got on the ship and saved it.
Then I started another playthrough with emily doing the same mission with different style . Loved it.
After two hours. I continue as corvo (first save) and reach Karnaca.
Oh god.
I do the same with Emily save.
Oh God no!
It literally ran like Shit. I tried everything I ever could. Stuttering, frame rate drops, single digit frame rate. two crashes, ssly like wtf arkane! wtf bethesda!
Eamonn Yup that's what you get for playing in a pc...... unless of course you want to try a first person shooter on a controller. X box fanboy, let me tell you a hard Truth, Frame rate drops are better than playing a first person shooter on a fucking controller.
soham roy I was a pc gamer but I finished Doom on nightmare in a controller. People give too many excuses nowadays
It's been a bad year. More and more developers are trying to get greedy and the Early Access system on Steam, which sounded like a great idea, is being abused and milked by bad developers who dump "shovelware" onto it and then run away from their games when they stop making money. This leaves a foul taste in the mouth of anyone scammed this way. The fiasco with Studio Wildcard being allowed to release a paid DLC (pay-to-win at that) when their game is still in Early Access makes the whole Early Access system into a joke. Valve is just interested in money, not in protecting their customers from shady abuses like this.
"AAA" developers release crappy games that are buggy, incomplete and just a vehicle to push microtransactions and rely on DLC to "fix" it after the fact. Then there is false advertising, like with The Division and more blatantly with No Man's Sky.
Then there's this e-sports push to try to make every game an e-sport which only kids hopped up on Adderall and G Fuel or Red Bull can play. Nevermind that many gamers are in their 30s or older. I no longer buy multi-player shooters, or certain other multi-player games, like the upcoming For Honor, for this reason.
Then there's the fact that there is just an oversaturation of games. People only have a limited amount of free time to play games. I have a ton of games in my Steam/GOG libraries that I haven't even played, much less finished. There are too many companies trying to pump out too many games for anyone to be able to keep up with them all.
I really don't understand the craze of paying for what used to be shareware demos? Sometimes paying full price. Only in this insane industry. Early access = Devs and publishers getting early access to consumers wallets. You want to talk Valve? How about game devs/pubs having Steam moderator privileges on their own games. So they can delete posts concerning criticism, bug reports, etc. The slightest amount of what could be seen as negative feedback = possible ban. So many obvious phony reviews as well. Notable mention to 2K games for having numerous moderators working around the clock to silence any amount of consumer feedback that does not praise their over-priced games.
Toki Wartooth I also don't understand Early Access. Why don't people pay for a game when it's released?
Miguel Pereira Even better, wait a year or more until the game is actually finished being developed. Then you can get the whole game for $50 or less. Buying a new game is like buying a new car. Terrible investment where you lose so much immediately with your purchase.
On the subject of moderator abuse; Elite Dangerous forums are run by non-devs, but they are such fanboys that they delete and/or lock anything that puts the game in a bad light
Funky Munky That's also a frequent problem. Fanboys who get moderator access from the devs or publishers. Steam discussions are a waste of time. It's amazing the lengths people will go to defend.. video games. And questionable business ethics concerning them. Such as those who glorify the concept of cosmetic DLCs :D Only in this industry full of insecure, irresponsible consumers.
star wars battlefront definitely made me alot more careful when buying games EA got $100 and something from me for a shell of a game
Ronald Mcfondled star wars battlefront feels like a demo
no subscribe yep
Ronald Mcfondled yeah, I'm still trying to recover from that one
Ronald Mcfondled Vote to make EA the worst company of America again.
Ronald Mcfondled yeah battlefront and battlefield 1 is not even a full game for $60. They did not have enough content for a full game so they added the rest in dlc's. I may be done with the battlefield series and EA at this point.
Generally, I am not interested in buying a game that is either unfinished or broken.
Huge Backlog for me. So many games already I want to get to and don't have time for new ones.. And yes, the Witcher 3 set a new standard...a standard none of the new games now are meeting. I also hate UBISOFT's version of "open world"..tons of cookie cutter tasks to do with a map chock full of icons of boring things to waste time on. "Open world" ubisoft games feel more like walking down a hallway when you start playing them. You guys are so on point with this video its not even funny. It's sad. New games now look so pretty but are so dull to actually play. I have more fun with River City Ransom on my NES than some of the 100 million dollar budget games released now. Games are supposed to be fun FIRST. You miss that, you miss everything.
Thanks for the input Corey
I was going to say "Backlog" and "fatigue" might apply for some games. There's so many first person shooters and 3rd person action games that are open world.
Corey Oliver yeah, money and quality are issues though I think a big one is our time. A large part of the market are people who grew up with games that happen to have jobs now - couple of my friends have families of their own. I'm now playing 3 of the many games that I've bought last black friday & holiday sales & I still haven't played the Witcher 3's last dlc. There's just so many.
nberms And the new generation that is supposed to replace the old generation of gamers have MANY other forms of entertainment now such as apps, TH-cam, Instagram, etc... So no wonder sales are going down (but this is all just my opinion)
Bat man One reason maybe why mobile games are up? Young gamers I think don't have the purchasing power for AAA games as us older one's. Downside, we don't have as much time & that's when mobile games become more attractive. We could play them on commute and in the office hahah and by the time we get home, we just get our much needed sleep - convenient.
I still play skyrim and witcher 3
me too. Its rare to find deep rewarding experience these days!
Browncheeze yeh I got the witcher 3 on the sales can't wait to get some time to sit down and start the game properly cause I don't get much more than an hour sessions nowadays so I just stick with battlefield 1
it sucks Mass Effect Andromeda's multi is going to copy what dragon age inquisition did too with stupid packs to get characters and weapons. definitely just hacking that junk.
Skyrim is like a "go to" Don't know what to play? Skyrim time.
Because they are overpriced? Most AAA game cost 60 bucks. it is crazy because you can buy many things that is more useful for your life with that money. Battlefield, cod, over watch didn't deserve the 60 dollars price tag.
And I think 60 dollars games only worth it if it has shit ton load of content in it, like gta 5/ witcher 3/skyrim/fallout series
The Legend27 battlefield doesnt deserve the 60 Dollar? wtf man its one of the Best Games,just buy premium Edition and you get a game that you can play for 2k hours+ for 120 bucks.
but cod and the other shit rly doesnt deserve the 60 Dollars
+The Legend27 I totally agree, although bf is typically more worth $60, bf1 isn't. Witcher 3 Complete Edition is only $50, but I still would've paid more because it is worth it, plenty of content there. The main reason I'm against Overwatch is because it's an average game that is overpriced
Fallout3Fr3aker12 dude battlefield 1 at most was 20$, 30$ pushing it. i got it for 15$ new, it was a great deal. cod iw, i can only imagine how bad that is so im not gonna talk on that. titanfall 2 is 30$, worth, 40$ pushing it. i got it at 40$, cant say im not satisfied, still had very minor issues but overall still liked it.
The $60 price tag is fine as long as it's the full game, and not a barely passable excuse of a game with a season pass the same price as another game
gamedev here, a quick word to say I love your take on what's going on in the industry, and also glad to see how you create actual discussions and exchange in the comments. It's good to see players (both you guys and your growing subscribers base) breaking the "youtube cancer" stereotype :) congrats for the 50k+ subs, and keep up the good work !
I really really love this channel. Your videos are miles ahead in info and straight to the point than 'the know'. Also you guys seem to have a true love for the games rather than just reading a script. I know FOR A FACT 'The Know' girls dont plat a quarter of the games they criticize. Great job guys!
Playing Gaemz I rather watch a couple of Welsh blokes that love games than a couple of American bimbos who don't even play games and are just there to be put in the thumbnails.
The Know is nothing but clickbait and they dance around the subject in the video so they can make it as long as possible. PGG actually gets to the point and backs it up with fact. PGG is the best.
The Know is Rooster Teeth. Almost everything from RoosterTeeth is shill material now. It has a corporate structure and advertisers to answer to.It's a product without personality now.
100% agree. Unsubbed from them a few months back - no regrets at all. There are so many fuckin different people in these videos, no one actually gives a shit but everyone wants a piece of the cake, and they top eachother with dumb incompetent comments all the time. Also, their total moronic titles. No thanks.
Agreed. Likewise unsubbed them to the rubbish bin of filler content.
Tons of reasons for the first time since I was a kid I have lost interest in gaming. The top reasons for me would be:
1. Games are incomplete or a mess at launch.
2. You are charged full price or more to play the aforementioned crap content.
3. On consoles specially your online access is gated for many games, wth!?!?!?
4. On top of gated online play you are then charged for junk that should have been in the game from the start.
5. The uniformly great visual quality of many titles has actually made them all look a carbon copy of each other and sorely lacking in anything or anyone to care about in them.
6. My older consoles filled with complete games and no DLC crap or online garbage to muddle through are still working fine and I tend to gravitate to them when I want to actually enjoy the game for all of its parts not just the looks.
7. There is too much content across multiple platforms, so much so, that it has become a blinding white sheet I can't peer into so I have tuned out a lot of the gamescape altogether.
I'm playing games that I have bought and not played. Right now its the Witcher 3 with DLC so and I doubt I'll preorder again. great video guys :-)
Thanks dude
Dcypherman - yeah, the witcher 3 (plus its DLC) was basically a few months where I didn't buy any other games. Then I got addicted to bloodborne and dark souls, so... yeah. I'll buy anything CDPR put out because they've won my loyalty over the years, but anyone else can fuck right off until i've seen the reviews, gameplay videos and player comments. I agree with the video though, consumer confidence in the "big publishers" is super low so instead we're playing games by companies who actually value their fans.
Yeah I'm so into the story and let's just say I can't decide what I like best Picnics, Lighthouses, or Unicorns 😎
+Dcypherman
And a recommendation of mine: If you have Skyrim and want to breathe some life back into it without relying on the special edition, get Enderal. It's a completely free mod that overhauls the game so much it could qualify for an entirely new game.
Yeah, as I wasn't familiar with the witcher lore, I was hesitant to buy the witcher 3, but I bought it early 2016. BEST decision I made in 2016 concerning gaming. Even at 25 dollars/euros, the season pass is a steal for its content compared to the shite you get sometimes from other game's season passes these days.
Games have gotten so expensive that I only buy them on sale. I don't need to play them whenever they come out, I have plenty of games lying around which I still need to play
I'm still spending as much on games as before but now it's spread out across many more smaller priced indie games which have regular development contact and updates. Maybe I'm getting old, but I'd rather spend my cash on companies I like and trust, rather than the pretty, re-hashed game which may sound enjoyable at first, but are over hyped, ultimately unsatisfying and pushed on us by money grabbing, greedy corporations. If I see "Season Pass" advertised anywhere, I'm out. Love your videos, keep it up.
Thanks for the comment John, we will
i rather pay for a season pass than a battle pass that do nothing but turn games into kiddy cosplay parties. also most of these battle passes in games are "mandatory addiction or miss out" because that are limited time. these companies dont just want our money they want our lives too
All that DLC super deluxe edition crap is why people are buying less games... Put out a complete working game and we will buy it
I'm still exploring the ps2 and ps3 game library. I'm not ready to upgrade yet.
BrandNewByxor So you're poor?
Jack Mae Nice bait
I bought that recently. Haven't gotten around to playing it yet.
I don't know if it aged well, but Second Sight was incredible. It just wasn't marketed at all and the trailers did it no justice
+BrandNewByxor
I'm in the same boat. The recent behaviour of the video game industry in general has discouraged me from wanting to spend money on a current gen console or p.c. For now I'll stick with my ps3 and $5 secondhand games from the local pawn shop.
It makes sense people are buying less games. As games have become more and more similar, sequel after sequel, cash grab DLC, and a mixed bag of quality... we cant just keep running out and buying everything. This channel just gets it. Keep up the pretty good work guys!
No Mans Sky was the small stone that started an avalanche, long may it continue.
I stopped getting giddy over new games after 2013. That year destroyed my confidence in the gaming industry and it's only gotten worse since then.
2013 had Rome 2 Total War's shit show of a launch which shattered my faith in Creative Assembly, I haven't bought one of their game's since then. Rome 2 is still the worst total war game to date. The fan base that tried to protect CA from criticism made me sick to my stomach.
We also had:
- Sim City 2013(terrible release of a lazy game)
- Battlefield 4(terrible release, I still don't like that game very much)
- Diablo 3(horrible release, the game was built entirely around the real money auction house
I'm sure I'm forgetting some, but you get the idea. The gaming industry has been going down this road for YEARS. It's only getting worse and worse. The only real hope we have of things getting better is if the current AAA industry crashes like it did in the 80's. It took a while but the gaming industry that appeared after the crash was the first real golden age!
Word. Saving and excepting Witcher 3, its been dismal for a few years. Rome 2 was a disaster. Indie gaming is better than boutique gaming. That's messed up.
I advise you to reconsider your ban on CA. Total War Warhammer is awesome to the point that one can forgive Rome 2 launch.
Yeah but maybe he is like me, a die-hard fan of historical titles... Or maybe, like me as well, not really a big fan of Warhammer, specifically. I understand tastes and tendencies are different for each and everyone of us, but for me Warhammer is just a sad imitation of other universes like LOTR. Which, BTW would make me buy a non historical TW game. Man, imagine a LOTR TW!!! My undies are wet already ahahaha!!
There were too many AAA games released within a couple of weeks,people are not made of money.
Me personally, i play mostly free2play games, and sink insane amounts of money into cosmetics in them, and when i DO buy AAA Games, it's usually in steam sales once they're down from 60 bucks to 10-20 a pop.
Dlc, microtransactions, huge day one patches, unfinished games...
I've stopped buying games on release date. I buy them a couple years later for a few dollars. I'm not a multiplayer guy so empty lobbies don't affect me...
I like how these guys aren't afraid to stray away from the script, far more real and refreshing. Good vid guys.
I've stopped buying as many games because of games like Titanfall 2 that get universal acclaim, yet at the end of the day they're just not that fun. High reviews do not mean it will be fun for a month a week or a day after release. People are sick of buying these supposedly 9/10 games that after a week sit in the shelf never to be touched again.
Marvel Night Live titanfall2 is really good tho
You should just sat titanfall 2 isn't fun. It's not fun TO YOU. Many many people do enjoy it. Different people have different opinions
Marvel Night Live Titanfall 2 was actually the best of the three main FPSs this year (COD and BF1), but it got old quick, as you said. The campaign was short, plus still no survival mode yet--a mode that cries "titan." It's collecting dust on my shelf now too. Solid mechanics, but I think I finally acquired FPS fatigue.
Marvel Night Live i love titanfall 2 though, everything about it is super solid and fun. different strokes for different folks i guess, but id reccommend givingnit another shot if you havent played it in a while
charlie rose the sad part for me is that I was really excited for it and I really wanted to like it. I ended up exchanging it for something else, and then I bought it again about a month later and nothing changed for me so I exchanged it again. It's really my own fault for building it up so much, but I still stand by my criticisms. It's just a simple example of how just because a game gets a huge amount of praise it doesn't mean everyone will enjoy it.
I stopped buying games, because everyone wanted to cash in on the grind factor. Witcher 3 really opened my eyes to what could be done with a Triple-A title. Now I'm waiting for a Sci-Fi or Modern title to come out with that kind of depth.
a ) because there too expensive.. and b) I'm not gonna buy an unfinished game with a season pass
I did not stop buying games. I just do not support the Idiots. Only the Companies who truly deserve the Support. Here are the ones I support: CD Projekt Red, Yu Suzuki Crew (Shenmue), Pyranha Bytes (Gothic + Risen), Rockstar Games, Harebrain Schemes, Koji Igarashi Crew (the mastermind behind Castlevania Symphony of the Night and Bloodstained) and Taleworlds Entertainment.
I would never buy Products from: EA, Ubisoft, Bethesda and Activision. I'm done with these Gaming Companies.
This should be on the top trending videos list.
Because I haven't even finished playing a quarter of what I bought last year... 1000000 of games. When am I supposed to play them? I have to work, sleep, practice guitar. I have limited time, and publishers don't get pushing one game after another isn't a good idea.
You're bringing up a good point. One of the reasons games are so expensive is that they should last for long. It's not a two hour movie.
Are there any games left that DON'T suck or dissapoint last years? No man's sky sucked. Halo 5 sucked, (no splitscreen wtf guy's?).
Mafia 3 sucked.
The division sucked.
Dishonered 2 (NOT even working on pc).
Quantum break failed.
dragon age inquisition failed by breaking the tactical gameplay from the original origins.
Mirror's Edge: Catalyst hyped aaand: dissapointed.
watch dogs was a total wtf?.
Far cry primal: Yea the names say's it. EVERYTHING in the game is PRMAL and basic. The guy's where lazy this time making the game.
Did i forgot any?
oh dude you are so right!
Add to the list,;fucking deus ex , god I was so amped about it!
Just fucking play witcher 3, overwatch , civ 6 and total war thats it...
maybe xcom 2 ..cause that works now !
+Aman Pathak Yea, except overwatch is overpriced for what it is, which is a very average game..
You forgot the COD games dude. And Watch Dogs wasn't bad, but why tf are they charging $40 for skins and a few missions???
Final Fantasy XV sucks
Alejandro Vallencci yeap. Guess what i did, i said fuck it. A installed more then 200 mods in fallout 3 (yes 3 xD). Playing now and its awesome. Only paid 10 $ for it or less wit hall dlc's.
I recently subscribed and love you guys. I will never preorder again. I totally agree with you on how some companies have no respect for the consumer. Without us they can't sell their games. Absolutely agree about No Mans Lie and Mafia III. I didn't have the ai problems you described in Dishonored 2. I played it on ps4 as Emily and enjoyed the game. I find myself playing games I've bought a bit ago and have sat on my shelf. I love all sorts of games and I'm a hard core gamer. I own quite a few games but slowed down buying alot last year. By not buying every hyped up game maybe we'll send a message to these companies to start putting the consumer 1st. I appreciate the info you give. Thanks for the video. You guys are super. Cheers
A lot of gamers are a lot older than most people perceive. Am in my late 30's and I don't just get excited about games like I did ten or more years ago, I spend a few days after launch of a title am interested in and see what the game is like. I like a lot of gamers are getting savvy when buying games now more so than I did before especially because we/me have been burned many times before. Once bitten twice shy. Great video boys.
Here's one example, I brought ffxv, platinumed it in a week, ff7 am still playing it 15years later and am still finding stuff, same with ff8 and ffx and ffx-2. But if you want more buy the season pass and we'll give you the rest of the game. Blatant rip off.
Yo, me too. The use of the word "yo" dates me, I'm told...
I miss split screen games and playing together in the living room. What happened to that? I thought that was really core to gaming. Like Bomberman, Starfox, NHL, Marikart, Gauntlet... whats up with there being hardly any games a bunch of people can play in the same room? Take away FPS, which require several tvs and consoles (like, ten grand right there for 3-4 people), and what do you have?
The soul of gaming is throwing a controller at your friends nuts in anger because he beat you three times in a row. I don't like this microphones, massively multiplayer stuff. I don't speak Korean, and I dont want to play against pro gamers. Just give us some living room fun! Rampart! Rampage! Come on!
Thanks for the continuous awareness on this topic guys . Keep it coming!
Can we get more games like The Witcher 3 which do well in the market because they're actually good and the devs actually cared
I'm pretty happy with late direction this market is heading. Consumers are making smart choices instead of buying a game that's not even out there yet.
Yeah, sales are down now, but I'm hoping this would nudge companies to do right in long term.
BTW, you guys need to stop crying for reviewer copy. consumers simply need to wait for good reviews, and companies will worry about their long term reputation if they want sales in this skeptical market.
the only reason you keep jabbing at this is because you want to maximize your traffic on release date. And this culture of companies handing out backstage pass needs to stop.
once you start holding grudge against certain company for not giving you a sweetheart deal, your integrity as reviewer is over.
You are wise beyond your years.
Nah not really, How many people hate Ea already
I agree with the max out traffic. But them maxing out traffic is not bad for me or anyone else as a consumer were as withholding for reviews can be very bad for the ignorant consumer
Damn i'm early as fuck.
I stopped buying games directly from Devs to their greedy behaviour and most care for nothing but the bottom line.
I just wait for sales or go through grey markets such as G2a.
Yeah, I rather do that way than buying day one specially since in my country a game is like 1/4 of a salary, I can't buy that many games so I just wait for reviews + price drop after a few months or maybe even years.
Dave Vd usually it's the publisher, not the devs.
Dave Vd same here
grrr 。 I agree
This is the video I've been waiting for you to make! All true though, the games companies are owned by marketing businessmen rather than passionate gamers, and we can see its effect. We have less information as consumers, and we have a "AAA Checklist" in our games now.
e.g. The board of directors want:
Crafting
Romance
Aesthetic gimmick
Online micro-transactions
Season Pass for withheld content that was stripped from the original game for profit.
I blame CSGO for the micro-transaction culture
Lol I hate the fuck out of skins in CSGO, it would be fun for me without 'em.
Therobwil Same here. It has poisoned not only the CS community, but the game industry as well.
Iguana G-man agreed.
what's worse ppl even defend these greedy practices and say pc gaming is profitable... yeah only for suckers
I'm pretty sure CoD was the first franchise to get a ton of profits from DLC
Gents, you've made some really valid points in the video. The focus has shifted away from small developers creating games for gamers on shoe string budgets. Now it's big investors pushing huge amounts in development and they expect large returns, which means the customer base is bombarded with media based hype and 'specials'. Personally I haven't purchased a new game in the last year preferring instead to wait for a pre-used copy to arrive in my local store, it's cheaper and there's usually been a patch released as well. Keep up the good work chaps!
My ban on Bethesda began this year. Fallout 4 was a disappointment and Dishonored 2 seems to be a failure.
RantinRaginOtter
Dishonoured isn't even made by bethesda games studios, it's made by Arcane Studios.
And neither is Doom. Bethesda GAME Studios' last project is... Fallout 4.
RantinRaginOtter DOOM is the last game im getting from them till they go back to their standards, it's sad how they are betraying our trust now.
David Halabi
When review copies of Fallout 4 were released to the public, too many people abused the embargo and spoiled the game across the internet.
Bethesda have decided that players should no longer have any pre-launch privileges or opportunities before others so the information that is leaked can be more easily controlled.
Primal That is except the fact that everybody seems to agree the Fallout 4 plot is shit so not much to spoil there. A convienient enough excuse though.
Wouldn't surprise me if the gaming market has a crash like it did back in 80's
Why is this?
Expensive games
Lack of innovation
People are poor
People sick of being lied to
Lack of confidence in publishers
Disappointing games
People waiting for reviews of a game
I learned my lesson back in 2012 with Mass Effect 3. Since then I have never preordered a game and it has saved me so much money.
It's doesn't matter how hyped or excited you are for a game. Stop preordering games, wait for reviews, then make your purchase decisions. It's amazing how well that simple strategy works to save you money!
this year was bad but i don't think anything could be as bad as 2014 that was a horror show
That was a horror show mainly from Ubisoft. 2016 was a shit show for a lot of game studios
dude, DA:I actually got game of the year that year...that says something about how bad that year was.
Holy shit, I guess I repressed that year. Smash bros was literally the only good game to come out that year. At least I spent all of 2014 playing The Last of Us' multiplayer and Smash
like i said 2016 had a lot of good games to come out but no one was buying them 2014 was just ass straight across the board
In Canada the price of new games has become a huge issue. A new game costs $80 and in my province we pay an additional 13% sales tax. Needles to say; I rarely buy new games at launch.
hey PGG, great video again, as you asked at end of your video what might be the cause of drop in buying games? here is what i faced bought X com 2 for 60$ which went on sale after few months for 50% off and now is available for 12$ in humble-bundle. i think games are prized too high and at the beginning and come to their real prize after quarter a year if it is not popular. what do you think??
Agreed, you look at the popularity of Indie games last year. Well, actually we will in an upcoming video...
venkatesh n k i agree i picked up xcom 2 yesterday from humble bundle also. It was basically a tenth of the price of the regular game, instead of paying $60 i paid $2 for xcom 2 and 10 more dollars for 5 other games in the humble bundle.
Brilliant vid.
Folk have finally learned what some of us have known for years - corporates are ruining games with formuliac + exploitive standards, & release games aren't worth the money. It's far better to buy games a year or two after launch, and even then most aren't a patch on the original games which inspired them..
The only game I acutally bought in 1,5 years was the Witcher 3.
this channel deserves way more subs. You guys keep it 100 and get straight to the point!!
Cod: Same shit different bowl
Titanfall 2: EA gets no customer goodwill for their fledgling distribution service after years of acting like cunts to all
Dishonoured 2: It just didn't meet our standards and expectations
Watchdogs_2: U-dumbfuckswilljustneverlearn,willyou?
Mafia 3:0 fps lock? come on!!!
I personally only didn't grab Titanfall 2 because I was apprehensive. I picked up titanfall one thinking I would have a story campaign that wasn't just some shitty inaudible voice acting during multiplayer.... and also having to reinstall tthat piece of shit resource hog Origin.
By the time I learned Titanfall 2 didn't shit on us, it was already too late and it was too small a community for me to bother grabbing for the multiplayer, and the campaign looked great but I knew it alone still wasn't going to be worth the full price.
you guys are in my humble opinion are definitely the best youtubers in gaming
Just bought darksider warhammer edition love it
I stopped pre ordering games that didn't have something I really wanted that was limited stock (titanfall 2 helmet). its thanks to you guys since all the preorder "bonuses" you usually get with the boxed copy at release anyway and I can wait a week or two to get it cheaper (still haven't bought infinite warfare and it's nearly half price now)
keep it up guys!
its about time the consumers wised up and started voting with their wallets. maybe now well start to see some change in the gaming industry.
Or better stop supporting this media that is video games
Come to think of it, the only games I bought in 2016 were Telltale games. There just aren't really any games coming out that I'm interested in anymore. I can't even think of anything I'm looking forward to.
Why pay for Watch Dogs 2 and Mafia 3 when I can play GTAV which I already own?
Kevin Walton why pay for em at all when you buy an ssd you get it for free
Jason cheever tell me more, friend
Kevin Walton I bought a 1 to 850 pro from microcenter and at the bottom of my receipt was a code for watch dogs 2 free download
Jason cheever wow too bad I haven't joined the PC master race. I'm not yet worthy...
Kevin Walton what is this pc master race you speak of? They do it all the time
I just buy games 2nd hand from cex, i won't pay over £29. Only game i paid nearly full price was Yakuza 0. Sega deserve my support for bravely releasing games in UK like this.
Consumer confidence, and cramming "diversity" where it doesn't belong is killing games.
Dryboneszero bf 1.
That's why I love this channel. Putting real content in their videos and giving insights I as a gamer strongly can relate to. This is the reason why I stopped using IGN and Polygon etc, 'cause they do nothing but hype the game even more. And Don't get me started on how many reviews are bought in IGN.
Great video and keep doing the amazing work guys!
At this stage, they're only a few devs whom I can trust being CDPR, Rockstar, Naughty Dog and Blizzard. I used to give all faith to Bioware and I actually liked Mass effect 3 besides the ending. But what they did (or EA did) to Inquisition was disappointing to say the least. Making the whole game full of filler content and being so shallow.
I think that's the reason for consumers not being so open these days, most games are becoming shallow with more cash in and less game in it.
2015 was infact one of the best years that we received games full of content , be it Witcher, Fallout 4, Rocket league or even Metal gear solid V (besides the Act 3 , yet the first half was insanely good).
Take a note game industry. I think 2017 can redeem us.
Big reason is this is the worst generation of gaming EVER.
I've lost all faith in most games now. It's all a bunch of lies. Companies showing trailers that aren't anywhere near the actual game, unfinished games, games with no variety and being repetitive. Micro transactions ruining games that used to be perfect without them. Games like Battlefront, No Man's Sky, and COD are the reasons I'm not buying games as much because like you said my gamer confidence at really low right now.
I stopped buying games because they're boring. Skyrim remastered was the best, now what?
ItsArdy truth, but that was bought and completely paid for in 2015. Games such as witcher take much time to produce, maybe other devs should look into that type of process.
fivebythree I rather they take there time and not release unfinished shit
Skyrim was released in 2011, in golden time of getting really quality games on console. Can't say the same for 2016. Had to replay an old game to get the some modern satisfaction. BF3 / 4 still rock, Hardline / BF1 are piles of shit. I hope you're catching on....
Eamonn
Please just get out.
FFXV will give you a good 50+ hours. Dark Souls 3 will give you 70+, if you're into that type of game
You guys are so refreshing, what a breath of fresh air! Keep up the honesty and the good work!
I just finished Watch Dogs 2. Shite. The first one was much better.
Thats not saying much, apparently
Eamonn lol really? Generic open world, bad characters, meh story, many bugs, bad optimization for PC, doesn't look better graphically than Watch Dogs 1, bad ai and dumbed down gameplay. Yeah great game mate.
+Eamonn I always play on hard mate: ai was still bad. As for the bugs you are lucky then because the game has lots of bugs. You didn't even mention my other points which, in a way, proves I am right.
I just feel lucky that I didn't buy the game and I just played it at a mate's.
Sesly What a trash argument. How about I sell you a shitty car and when you complain about it, I tell you to build a better one.
You guys are exactly right. I have been a die hard gamer for 20 years and I stopped buying games at launch. I wait a minimum of a month before buying and that's only if I really want a game. Most of the time I wait til the dlc comes out.
two words: fallout four.
Aiden Jones I have 489 hours in New Vegas. Imagine my dissapointment with the bordelands that is Fallout 4.
Aiden Jones Now I keep thinking: How much casual will be ES VI?
gabriel ferreira alves R.I,P
gabriel ferreira alves Fall out 3 and Skyrim are very casual game when compared to their predecessors and are both very good.
Ah yes. FO4. When did Disney buy the rights to the Fallout universe and apply their bright and cheery cartoon appearance to a post-apocalyptic world?
You guys are right with the points you made in the video. We gamers are feeling shafted and the quality of the games this year just wasn't there at all. I was the biggest Dishonored fanboy after the original game dropped, and then this fall brought Dishonored 2. I've never been so let-down by a sequel in my life; I feel dishonored!
Because games are shit now.......
Because I have been burned by so many games since 2012 that I do not get "hyped" about any game any more. For example, I don't buy any Bethesda game until it has been out for a year. I have discovered that most game reviews and scores at the launch of a game aren't worth anything (just watch any gaming press awards program to see how much the gaming press in in bed with the companies producing a game). I have learned that watching the "real" reviews from the people playing a game tend to be truer to the mark in the long term. Plus, now, gamers have the advantage of seeing actual game play on Twitch, Beam, TH-cam, etc. to decide if a game is for them or not.
Great video. You're speaking the truth! I'm playing old original X Box games right now. Older games had so much more substance. Today's games are all graphics and no substance. This doesn't feel like the next generation of gaming. These Devs need to actually give us games that we want and that have some serious substance!!!
Honestly I think its the lack of new things to come out. We've been getting same games for at least 5 years and every now and then something new pops up so I think it's consumers being tired of paying for same crap like last year and such.
That is why I personally have been all over Indie games on steam
The gaming community is sick of shiting out there hard earned money for incomplete, buggy, boring, games filled to the brim with micro transactions and session passes. We must all raise together as a community and boycott the corporate sales of incomplete games, then just maybe we will be answered and heard, no more session passes, no more hipped games that can live up to it, no more deluxe games, just complete good 20 hours+ dlc and 80+ hours of game for 30 dollars and 4.99 Dlc. No more 120$ bull shit raise, up to corporate evil!
Just remember the time good games like skyrim, minecraft, call of duty modern warfair or battle field 3, gta 4, battle front 2 all of these games where not $120 dollars not 30 or 40 dollars at the time, no micro transactions or bad dlc or no dlc at all! Remember that time, for the sake of those games you know and love don't give in to theses $120 dollar pieces of satins shit!
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here in Brazil I can say one of the motives, and that's the price. Games for the PS3/X360/PC were half the price until 2012/2013, the games for the new consoles and PC are monstrous nowadays, the companies are crazy...
I stopped buying new games years ago, partly because I had too many games in my backlog to play and partly because the cost rose from $60 CDN to $80-$100 CDN per game. Combine that with DLC costs, microtransactions and such and it got ridiculous. My last big "new game" I bought cost me a total of $230 between game, seasons pass, and subsequent DLC. That is enough to buy a Wii-U console for ONE GAME!
So now I follow a simply strategy, I don't buy a game until/if there comes a point where I KNOW I am going to play it RIGHT AWAY. If I don't have time, or interest, to play it right now I wait. Even if I want to play it right now, I still won't purchase a game for anymore than $50 CDN. What this leads to is me buying full "Game of the Year/Complete" copies a full year after release and spending $30-$50 on it instead of getting the same thing for over $200 a year prior. It also means I NEVER get burned on shitty titles because there is a year of media coverage about it by the time I think about buying it.
Waiting a year might be tough for some folks, but your wallet will thank you ... and you will thank yourself when you don't have to suffer through a broken piece of garbage.
Side Note: I also decided to boycott all Retail priced games with microtransactions. That is an inexcusable business practice and I don't need to support it.
Nothing wrong with the games I bought recently. Forza horizon 3, Battlefield 1, Skyrim remastered (never played it before) Fifa 17, F1 2016, Ori and the blind forest, all the games I bought this year and all are very good.
First... you guys are great!
Second... regarding poor game sales... I think you hit the nail on the head.
Game devs and publishers have chosen to pursue what can only be called an anti consumer posture.
They are more interested in getting your money rather than developing a complete, compelling quality game experience. Add to that the new wave of eliminating early release in order to hide game or performance issues... and you have a recipe for poor sales. Period.
We know what we want to play... and that does not include poorly realized game IP's... or games that don't perform as they should on any platform [that's just Dev incompetence]. Not sure what they are thinking on this front. In most software circles... this would be unacceptable... and contrary to what the gaming industry deludes itself into believing - it IS unacceptable in the gaming market as well.
Don't get me wrong, there are still some amazing games out there... only they are becoming farther and fewer in number.
Why? Because profits. What we're clearly seeing is game devs and publishers prioritizing profits over quality [much like television or the movie industry]. And now they are paying the price for it.
Personally, I miss the days when game devs invested most of the money into the development of a complete quality games... rather than most of the money going to marketing of said game.
The golden rule for software remains as relevant today as it has been... make quality software that people want... and consumers will buy it. That's been proven over and over again... maybe it's time for the idiots who develop and publish games remember that.
I haven't bought a game new on release since Fallout 4 (which left me a bit disappointed). I'm not saying I'll never buy a game on release again, because I will (Elder Scrolls 6 and Final Fantasy 7 Remake) but what I am saying is listen to these guys and never pre-order and wait for reviews unless you can't help it and its something you're completely hyped for (but if its a new IP like No Mans Sky then don't)
The main reason:
1) Huge Inflation in Western Europe. Our money is less worth every single day.
2) Steam sales: Why buy something for €/$60 on release day that is (99%) broken and needs several months of patching to be any good. When you can just wait 6 months and buy it for half the price
3) DLC issue's. Many people just wait now for the 'gold' edition of the game (game + all dlc, during steam sales).
You guys hit the nail on the head everytime, and with wit to boot! I hope developers are listening to you
There is an article on the front page of the WSJ about how the video game industry hires. Over 25% of those working in game development are temp contractors. These are the ones that are checking for quality control and fixing patches. The video game industry needs to start treating their own people better and create a culture of integrity that will carry through to the final product.
Many factors such as games with high online replay value like Rocket League or most competitive FPSs, Over saturation of games, nostalgia, new hardware releases, and flash sales, used games, or game of the year editions with all DLC. I have sooooo many unfinished games that I've bought this year that I've never been this back logged in my entire life. I almost always try to finish a game I purchase. Also sometimes nostalgia kicks in and you play games you enjoyed several years ago just because you want to and you can. Its not that the new games are bad. We just have way to much content to get through before we spend another dime and real life keeps getting in the way. Also the elephant in the room is the amount of new hardware being released is at break neck speed. We want to update our other technologies hardware such as phones and appliances and can't always spend on new games when you can wait and catch them on a flash sale or used or as a game of the year edition with all DLC. The industry is using short sighted bench marks. Gamers know the price of new technology and games falls over time and they are willing to wait.
Bring back demos- free good demos. That give an honest reflection on the game.
good video !
I'm an old video game player now and really, I'm fed up with sequels of sequels of sequels...
I really don't understand why people like to buy - EACH year - the same games : call of duty, Assassin's creed,etc.
The industry changed with pension funds : you need to sell a LOT and very rapidly.
And since you need to have good sales... developers produce the SAME game, with the minimum of new ideas.
and worst : programmers need to meet the dead lines.. so we have all the time large day one patches !
The only innovating companies nowadays are..... indie games companies !
Finally some good critics!Good Job. You deserve much more views. It's time the consumer starts to smart up
Consumer confidence is very important to the industry - if it ever ends up falling too low, people will become stingy with their money, causing the entire industry to suffer.
iv stopped buying new games because i like the ones i have and i have to pay to play them online with my mates . a side effect of this is i get between 4 and 6 new games per month from sony for my psvita,ps3 and ps4. its a double edged sword.
if i could play online for free and didnt get any "free" games id probably spend the money on the new games that i actually wanted.
The thing that killed me was when neither xbox1 or PS4 decided to no longer have free matchmaking, and I decided I wasn't going to spend $300 to play single player games again, so I never upgraded, and I don't regret my decision one bit, because there are no next gen games that pique my interest at all. Video game quality seems to be getting worse, and I'm not going to upgrade until these bad dev habits go away, which I understand may be never.
It wasn't worth buying new games anymore now i just wait for consumer reviews and buy used games that give me the biggest bang for my buck
Waiting a year and getting a definitive (finished) edition of the game for half the initial price just seems more appealing. Day one players nowadays are simply beta testers that are paying $60 plus tax, plus dlc for the privilege.
You guys deserve so many more subscribers! Keep it up and keep keepin' really, really, real!
I gotta agree that pricing is a major issue, I'm currently a PC gamer and while I can get game codes with a bit of a discount a game and it's season pass still costs around the 45-50 quid mark. They're too much nowadays.