They dangle the carrot on the string, and give you glimpses of who they use to be, so that you fall for that and won't leave them. It's a vicious cycle of abuse that will have one begging for the bare minimum. Don't fall for this. You're worth so much more.
I would noticed the push and pull energy. It was very confusing. He would laugh and "joke" you are so possessive and jealous. When in reality I just didn't understand how someone claims they love me with all their heart, while crying about it but still manages to leave me hanging, breaks his promises, not caring how much his behaviour damaged so much. I am glad to be learning.
I so needed this. I’ve been in a situationship with someone who refuses to define the relationship for 6 months and has kept dangling the carrot. Every time I try to break free, pull away and meet other people - he will up the ante and offer to take me for dinner (never did that before), or talk about a future together, or something else… and then I get reeled back in, and BAM! He ghosts for a couple of days. Lately I haven’t been allowing myself to get reeled in, I don’t check his social media and I don’t contact him… and he’s escalated his silence tactics to make me chase more - I haven’t. It’s almost like he’s acting desperate now to get me back in for good Edit: I’m trying to not get jealous, not get reeled in, and not react - just trying to observe what’s happening so I can form a clearer picture and make my exit before I’m discarded.
@samco6884 I hope you've managed to completely break away by now, as far too many people still waste years of their lives (my longest "relationship" was three years) caught up in these destructive cycles. ❤
He'll never change- he is damaged goods. If you leave him completely he will do the same thing to someone on the rebound overnight. It isnt you he wants but to feed off your pain. Let him play the sadistic mind games elsewhere. You are part of team healthy.
For sure he made me question myself...doubt myself.....crave his texts. He was excellent @ breadcrumbing, me sweeping it under the rug. I knew he was screwed up.... kept giving the benefit of doubt....until I could not. I recall putting something in the microwave, I burst into gut wrenching tears and yelled It should not be this difficult this is not normal..... my gut finally told my brain......
Nobody knows what’s going on becuz they don’t know this word; narcissist and especially covert vulnerable narcissists. It’s super hidden. That’s what hurts the most. Thank you Ben for explaining what’s actually going on. Too many hurt souls unjustified is the best way to explain it.😑😑😑😑
Smh… the cheapest currency they use is ＂I'll call you later ＂. Later, in their dictionary … is undefined. It has no definition, no Account-ability. It's indefinite.
Lord, I had prayed for the day he would keep his promises. I was constantly on edge...hoping. Since I left, my life has opened up. The trauma bond seems to have a lot of strings. I find more and more of those strings to cut.
I've been promised the world, and like you said just when you get so close to it, when you have jumped through all the hoops, waited patiently, thought you did everything right this time, the anticipation is so strong that you can't sleep at night, you can't concentrate, you make every excuse for their actions and "yours" to all your friends and families...then nothing. The roller coaster starts again and you realize these are the same promises, the same words, actions, that got you to believing and trusting in them and their "fake love" to begin with. Positive reinforcement and the trauma bond has turned my life upside down. Remembering also this covert narcissist studied psychology in college, he knows what he is doing. You think when you find out what he is then you can play the game and win, there's no win, No matter how much informaton you have and learn, unless you totally withdraw from them, you will never escape their control because they have been tuning their skills a lot longer than you have figured them out.
Then when they wanna discard you for new supply there’s this BS about how you never really loved them. 🙄 Cue the tiny violins. They’re projecting because they never loved you, themselves…or anyone. It’s mind r*pe, really.
Great point but you give them waaaaay too much credit. It's nit their strength and brilliance that's the problem; it's our weakness, our ability to feel and give too much. Narcissist are really fools at the end of the day, complete f*cking idiots 😑.
Apparently, John Mayer dumped Jessica Simpson 9 times…often via email. They don’t fundamentally change. They just get sneakier & keep finding new supply to torment. Ben seems to be doing the work to break these behaviors. Good for him!
This tactic is so insidious and abusive. After over 20 years of marriage, it took me a year of separation to get over the physical and emotional effects of the trauma bond I was in. The withdrawal is the worst I’ve ever experienced. I only initiated the separation after learning about covert narcissism and this bread crumbing and trauma bonding from TH-cam, so thank you for educating people!
My ex once told me that she didn't trust herself. I asked her to trust herself for *her,* not for me, not for anyone else. I thought things were great, and that we had a breakthrough in our relationship, and I had hope moving forward. She then followed it up with, "If we get through this, I'll work on trusting myself." It broke my heart.
This video is the most enlightening video I have ever come across. I literally have been experiencing such an extreme case of this that I don't think people would believe it. Omg thank you.
I would. For example? The elites are the biggest narcs on the planet. They’re constantly gaslighting, grooming, lovebombing, shunning, discarding. So we all need to know these tactics in order to move in healthier directions.
He convinced me that Im desperate for attention, have low self esteem, insecure, that I need to grow up cause my desire for closeness is childish..but when he watches that affection and closeness on tv he kinda melts down...Shit situation the one Im in...
Awesome video. Have not had any contact with him for 9 months. He suddenly reaches out calls and texts acting concerned about my health... he has to repeat his patterns. I have not responded to him.
Great video, the last part is very true, my ex would constantly reinforce that I am co-dependent when I have never been co-dependent in a relationship.
This is exactly what my covert neglective ex did to me. We were together 4 years, engaged for 2. We didn’t even live together. We did everything together the first 8 months. Always together. By the end we only had one date night alone a month and it was always what she wanted to do…the casino. She would leave me sitting alone at the casino for hours. Physical intimacy went from 2-3 times a week, to once a month. We got in 7-8 break ups over the 4 years about her not accepting accountability for how she was treating me. She never acknowledged what I was saying, accepted responsibility for her actions, or apologized for literally anything. I just got stonewalled until I apologized. Your videos were my savior.
All I can say at the moment , Is , journal , write about your , what I call attacks , write them out , it's been the only thing besides my two year old keeping me sane and reminding me of my purpose
We never lived together # 1 becuz I never want to live with a guy and didn’t then also. #2 they love to be on wills, which is why he lives still with his 87 year old grandmother. He asked me prior do you wanna live here. I didn’t want to. They try and con everyone. It’s beyond shocking. I’ve read they hate paying bills. Well all that makes sense, right. Coverts are defined as that as a purpose for them, never you. Once you realize it, it’s way too late. Don’t throw this over your shoulder. Listen to Ben. They will do their best to try and destroy you to make them feel better. That’s how that really works. I do know this is sad. Rise above no matter how it ends. Just show your true beautiful colors of your REAL SELF, and let them be the monster they will always be. Sad, so sad. They will die sad. Let them do that on their own.
I am doing pretty well after being discarded in March of this year. I’m taking care of myself and dealing with my childhood wounds I’ve come to the realization that it was never about me really but every now and then it still hurts a little because I know he has moved on without a thought or a care about me. He’s dealing with multiple women and I’m fairly certain he has a ‘harem’ of women ( old and new) in rotation. I was with him for over 12 yrs (married for 10 yrs) and I truly believed that he was my forever. All I can say is the trauma bond is real and so difficult to extricate yourself from. Thank you for responding to my comment. 😊
As soon as he thought I had one leg out the door & was gonna leave got me over to meet his family & got what he wanted from me. Validation & intimacy. Then wanted me to leave asap the next morning and withdrew making me second guess my self
He would say he dont want to lose me snd love me, then totally blow cold for days and stand far away from me and not say a word. He would come back days letter. I was punished for discussing how neglectful he was.i was pushed snd pulled on a weekly basis unless he knew it was my pay week.
Yes...mine would reach out every few weeks, say that he missed us(son and I), but would not do more than that. He wouldn't offer to come over, or to meet up...nothing! And he lives less than 20 minutes away. This hurt so much..eventually, he just stopped talking to me, period.
So, since you’re a diagnosed narcissist… How much of this is conscious on the narcissist’s side? Is it a learned behavior that they are proud of? (I.e. “Look what I can make this person do…”) Or is it an unconscious thing they do to protect their ego and get their needs met? As a neurotypical person, I can’t even fathom being manipulative like this on purpose. It makes everything in the relationship feel contrived, and, even for the narcissist, how is that fulfilling?
Controversial opinion here for sure... The darkest side of all this is... usually people are trapped in those situation cause that's what they want. I'm a male, and if you don't know already, the dating world for men is extremely competitive. What i mean is that many times when you pursue a partner you have many, many competitors. Also the number of times you get straight out ignored or ghosted or whatever else is astounding. Trust me here, it's very hard expecially from female perspective to understand what dating as a man is like. And i'm not talking about ugly, unattractive men only... I know from fist hand experience. Now, the problem many times is in the "pre-selection". If you ended up with a person that treats you like this, breadcrumbs you, and does all that it is explained in this video... chances are that you've chosen it since the beginning. In fact, i can assure you, that when i started using more of such "techniques" during my exploring dating years, my "success rate" simply SKYROKETED. And what i mean by that is that is passed from vistually 0 success, to decent, then good, then great. And the more i applied that... the more i treat women in what i once considered a "bad" or "sh**ty" way... the more i was loved and chased after. Like literally, when i was respectful and reliable i had no luck at all... i was given for granted.... even in relationships, sex was less frequent. I swear to god if i think back to my past years, i can't believe i treated women this way, and wait i mean by that is that i've NEVER, NEVER EVER been violent or abusive, but for sure... well, not how i would like my daughter to be treated. Again, there's a selection at the door. Without such "dirty" behaviors, most men don't even make it inside, as in having a chance to get closer. Good, respectful men get labeled as boring, they get ghosted, they get breadcrumbed themself. I think if today we have so many people labled as narcs, maybe there's a reason why, and it is because they are reinforced to do so. I had to learn to be such person, so i could get my share of success with women. What's the point of all this? Understanding if you find yourself in such situation, many times you've chosen it since the beginning. Some of us may think this is blaming, but i would rather calling it "taking responsability". And "taking responsability" do suck, i know but.... It also gives you power to change things. To know that the next time, the power of choice is in your hands, what are you gonna do about it?
I actually have seen videos on TH-cam where guys are telling their viewers to not text the girls they’re interested in with the goal of building a relationship. So 1. more proof that some narcissists are fully aware of what they’re doing, 2. proof that they’re doing it on purpose, and 3. maybe videos like that are part of the reason why it seems like there’s a narcissist school out there teaching several people to do the same thing. There are videos like this from both men and women. th-cam.com/users/shortskaiMzEeUwJs?feature=share th-cam.com/video/lmh4J-RuqsI/w-d-xo.html
He was comforting me by kissing me on the forehead and cheeks while I was crying only to stick out his tongue and laughed in my face when I tried to kiss him goodbye. Disturbingly not funny
yes, they all have a distinctly immature personality. i thought it was "cute" and innocent at first, now i realize it was all an ACT- but still, overall IMMATURE
you cannot blame yourself for their sickness, they are master manipulators, who pick kind, trusting, people to use and destroy, they are soulless empty vessels on a course to nowhere we can heal in time, not sure about them
They dangle the carrot on the string, and give you glimpses of who they use to be, so that you fall for that and won't leave them. It's a vicious cycle of abuse that will have one begging for the bare minimum. Don't fall for this. You're worth so much more.
You know that you deserve better, but you want better from them. That, to me, sums up a trauma bond with a narcissistic partner.
I would noticed the push and pull energy. It was very confusing. He would laugh and "joke" you are so possessive and jealous. When in reality I just didn't understand how someone claims they love me with all their heart, while crying about it but still manages to leave me hanging, breaks his promises, not caring how much his behaviour damaged so much. I am glad to be learning.
very informative platform,you wont regret it.
I so needed this. I’ve been in a situationship with someone who refuses to define the relationship for 6 months and has kept dangling the carrot. Every time I try to break free, pull away and meet other people - he will up the ante and offer to take me for dinner (never did that before), or talk about a future together, or something else… and then I get reeled back in, and BAM! He ghosts for a couple of days. Lately I haven’t been allowing myself to get reeled in, I don’t check his social media and I don’t contact him… and he’s escalated his silence tactics to make me chase more - I haven’t. It’s almost like he’s acting desperate now to get me back in for good
Edit: I’m trying to not get jealous, not get reeled in, and not react - just trying to observe what’s happening so I can form a clearer picture and make my exit before I’m discarded.
@samco6884 I hope you've managed to completely break away by now, as far too many people still waste years of their lives (my longest "relationship" was three years) caught up in these destructive cycles. ❤
He'll never change- he is damaged goods. If you leave him completely he will do the same thing to someone on the rebound overnight. It isnt you he wants but to feed off your pain. Let him play the sadistic mind games elsewhere. You are part of team healthy.
omg!!!! this!!!!
wish my years were reversible.
They are massive time wasters.
Video starts at 4.00
For sure he made me question myself...doubt myself.....crave his texts.
He was excellent @ breadcrumbing, me sweeping it under the rug.
I knew he was screwed up.... kept giving the benefit of doubt....until I could not.
I recall putting something in the microwave, I burst into gut wrenching tears and yelled
It should not be this difficult this is not normal.....
my gut finally told my brain......
Nobody knows what’s going on becuz they don’t know this word; narcissist and especially covert vulnerable narcissists. It’s super hidden. That’s what hurts the most. Thank you Ben for explaining what’s actually going on. Too many hurt souls unjustified is the best way to explain it.😑😑😑😑
Smh… the cheapest currency they use is ＂I'll call you later ＂. Later, in their dictionary … is undefined. It has no definition, no Account-ability. It's indefinite.
The word 'tomorrow' is their favourite word as tomorrow never comes.
Ben. This is exactly what I experienced from my spouse. I am getting out of this marriage of 32 years with him. We have been separated 17 months now.
Match their energy. Bread crumb for bread crumb. They won’t like it! Lol 😂
Triangulation and intermittent reinforcement but no overt verbal abuse. I had studied narcissism but ignored the red flags this time.
Lord, I had prayed for the day he would keep his promises. I was constantly on edge...hoping. Since I left, my life has opened up. The trauma bond seems to have a lot of strings. I find more and more of those strings to cut.
I've been promised the world, and like you said just when you get so close to it, when you have jumped through all the hoops, waited patiently, thought you did everything right this time, the anticipation is so strong that you can't sleep at night, you can't concentrate, you make every excuse for their actions and "yours" to all your friends and families...then nothing. The roller coaster starts again and you realize these are the same promises, the same words, actions, that got you to believing and trusting in them and their "fake love" to begin with. Positive reinforcement and the trauma bond has turned my life upside down. Remembering also this covert narcissist studied psychology in college, he knows what he is doing. You think when you find out what he is then you can play the game and win, there's no win, No matter how much informaton you have and learn, unless you totally withdraw from them, you will never escape their control because they have been tuning their skills a lot longer than you have figured them out.
Then when they wanna discard you for new supply there’s this BS about how you never really loved them. 🙄 Cue the tiny violins. They’re projecting because they never loved you, themselves…or anyone. It’s mind r*pe, really.
Great point but you give them waaaaay too much credit. It's nit their strength and brilliance that's the problem; it's our weakness, our ability to feel and give too much. Narcissist are really fools at the end of the day, complete f*cking idiots 😑.
My Ex was so predictable in his abuse cycles I could to the nearest minute when I was likely to be dumped etc. It was laughable.
Apparently, John Mayer dumped Jessica Simpson 9 times…often via email. They don’t fundamentally change. They just get sneakier & keep finding new supply to torment. Ben seems to be doing the work to break these behaviors. Good for him!
The Covert Passive Aggressive Narcissist by Debbie Mirza is such a validating book for survivors‼️ Thank you for talking about this book Ben‼️👍
Thank you. I am glad to hear it!
This tactic is so insidious and abusive. After over 20 years of marriage, it took me a year of separation to get over the physical and emotional effects of the trauma bond I was in. The withdrawal is the worst I’ve ever experienced. I only initiated the separation after learning about covert narcissism and this bread crumbing and trauma bonding from TH-cam, so thank you for educating people!
My ex once told me that she didn't trust herself. I asked her to trust herself for *her,* not for me, not for anyone else. I thought things were great, and that we had a breakthrough in our relationship, and I had hope moving forward. She then followed it up with, "If we get through this, I'll work on trusting myself."
It broke my heart.
This video is the most enlightening video I have ever come across. I literally have been experiencing such an extreme case of this that I don't think people would believe it. Omg thank you.
I would. For example? The elites are the biggest narcs on the planet. They’re constantly gaslighting, grooming, lovebombing, shunning, discarding. So we all need to know these tactics in order to move in healthier directions.
Situationship monsters - hot and cold - bs
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Totally.
Thirty years in and exiting now. He had hidden accounts etc etc this is WAR lol
Ben, thank you so much for shedding a light on this toxic behavior. You are a gift to the community!
I appreciate that!
God I just wanna send this video to him…I’m so over it & so done. So sick of the emotional manipulation & mind games.
I’m so getting this book! I love that you combine science with personal experience. Neither alone is enough to get a grasp on this stuff.
Intermittent reinforcement. Very good point. Studied learning last year in psych.
He convinced me that Im desperate for attention, have low self esteem, insecure, that I need to grow up cause my desire for closeness is childish..but when he watches that affection and closeness on tv he kinda melts down...Shit situation the one Im in...
Awesome video. Have not had any contact with him for 9 months. He suddenly reaches out calls and texts acting concerned about my health... he has to repeat his patterns. I have not responded to him.
Great video, the last part is very true, my ex would constantly reinforce that I am co-dependent when I have never been co-dependent in a relationship.
This is exactly what my covert neglective ex did to me. We were together 4 years, engaged for 2. We didn’t even live together. We did everything together the first 8 months. Always together. By the end we only had one date night alone a month and it was always what she wanted to do…the casino. She would leave me sitting alone at the casino for hours. Physical intimacy went from 2-3 times a week, to once a month. We got in 7-8 break ups over the 4 years about her not accepting accountability for how she was treating me. She never acknowledged what I was saying, accepted responsibility for her actions, or apologized for literally anything. I just got stonewalled until I apologized. Your videos were my savior.
Another really good one. Thank You, Ben
Ben! I just ordered the book last night. I’m so excited to understand more and dive deep. Thank you for the suggestion.😊👍🏻
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Thanks :)
All I can say at the moment , Is , journal , write about your , what I call attacks , write them out , it's been the only thing besides my two year old keeping me sane and reminding me of my purpose
Yes! Raw Motivations journal is also available in Amazon
Ben this information is f*cking wild! Thanks for the amazing content and book recommendations!!!!
On point, a blessings to get this info explained to the t...
We never lived together # 1 becuz I never want to live with a guy and didn’t then also. #2 they love to be on wills, which is why he lives still with his 87 year old grandmother. He asked me prior do you wanna live here. I didn’t want to. They try and con everyone. It’s beyond shocking. I’ve read they hate paying bills. Well all that makes sense, right. Coverts are defined as that as a purpose for them, never you. Once you realize it, it’s way too late. Don’t throw this over your shoulder. Listen to Ben. They will do their best to try and destroy you to make them feel better. That’s how that really works. I do know this is sad. Rise above no matter how it ends. Just show your true beautiful colors of your REAL SELF, and let them be the monster they will always be. Sad, so sad. They will die sad. Let them do that on their own.
Can you please do another video similar to this?
This is happening right now 😢 I had high standards now I just want him to acknowledge my existence
Stop letting him define your worth and let’s find freedom. Www.Rawmotivations.Com/breakthrough
This is exactly what my ex husband did. I say ex because I have the divorce papers (he works out of town). I’m so disgusted with him.
I hope you are doing well! It can be really tough having to deal with a narc! i wish you the best .
I am doing pretty well after being discarded in March of this year. I’m taking care of myself and dealing with my childhood wounds I’ve come to the realization that it was never about me really but every now and then it still hurts a little because I know he has moved on without a thought or a care about me. He’s dealing with multiple women and I’m fairly certain he has a ‘harem’ of women ( old and new) in rotation. I was with him for over 12 yrs (married for 10 yrs) and I truly believed that he was my forever. All I can say is the trauma bond is real and so difficult to extricate yourself from. Thank you for responding to my comment. 😊
As soon as he thought I had one leg out the door & was gonna leave got me over to meet his family & got what he wanted from me. Validation & intimacy. Then wanted me to leave asap the next morning and withdrew making me second guess my self
He would say he dont want to lose me snd love me, then totally blow cold for days and stand far away from me and not say a word. He would come back days letter. I was punished for discussing how neglectful he was.i was pushed snd pulled on a weekly basis unless he knew it was my pay week.
💜 Thank you for this.
You are so welcome
Wow,Just wow.Exelent premier.Thank you Ben
Yes...mine would reach out every few weeks, say that he missed us(son and I), but would not do more than that. He wouldn't offer to come over, or to meet up...nothing! And he lives less than 20 minutes away. This hurt so much..eventually, he just stopped talking to me, period.
Wow!! I thought .. how did I think that him just being “nice, kind.”..is “love” ? We’ll, it’s not!!
So, since you’re a diagnosed narcissist… How much of this is conscious on the narcissist’s side? Is it a learned behavior that they are proud of? (I.e. “Look what I can make this person do…”) Or is it an unconscious thing they do to protect their ego and get their needs met? As a neurotypical person, I can’t even fathom being manipulative like this on purpose. It makes everything in the relationship feel contrived, and, even for the narcissist, how is that fulfilling?
Controversial opinion here for sure...
The darkest side of all this is... usually people are trapped in those situation cause that's what they want.
I'm a male, and if you don't know already, the dating world for men is extremely competitive.
What i mean is that many times when you pursue a partner you have many, many competitors.
Also the number of times you get straight out ignored or ghosted or whatever else is astounding. Trust me here, it's very hard expecially from female perspective to understand what dating as a man is like.
And i'm not talking about ugly, unattractive men only...
I know from fist hand experience.
Now, the problem many times is in the "pre-selection".
If you ended up with a person that treats you like this, breadcrumbs you, and does all that it is explained in this video... chances are that you've chosen it since the beginning.
In fact, i can assure you, that when i started using more of such "techniques" during my exploring dating years, my "success rate" simply SKYROKETED.
And what i mean by that is that is passed from vistually 0 success, to decent, then good, then great.
And the more i applied that... the more i treat women in what i once considered a "bad" or "sh**ty" way... the more i was loved and chased after.
Like literally, when i was respectful and reliable i had no luck at all... i was given for granted.... even in relationships, sex was less frequent.
I swear to god if i think back to my past years, i can't believe i treated women this way, and wait i mean by that is that i've NEVER, NEVER EVER been violent or abusive, but for sure... well, not how i would like my daughter to be treated.
Again, there's a selection at the door.
Without such "dirty" behaviors, most men don't even make it inside, as in having a chance to get closer.
Good, respectful men get labeled as boring, they get ghosted, they get breadcrumbed themself.
I think if today we have so many people labled as narcs, maybe there's a reason why, and it is because they are reinforced to do so.
I had to learn to be such person, so i could get my share of success with women.
What's the point of all this? Understanding if you find yourself in such situation, many times you've chosen it since the beginning.
Some of us may think this is blaming, but i would rather calling it "taking responsability".
And "taking responsability" do suck, i know but.... It also gives you power to change things. To know that the next time, the power of choice is in your hands, what are you gonna do about it?
I actually have seen videos on TH-cam where guys are telling their viewers to not text the girls they’re interested in with the goal of building a relationship. So 1. more proof that some narcissists are fully aware of what they’re doing, 2. proof that they’re doing it on purpose, and 3. maybe videos like that are part of the reason why it seems like there’s a narcissist school out there teaching several people to do the same thing. There are videos like this from both men and women.
th-cam.com/users/shortskaiMzEeUwJs?feature=share
th-cam.com/video/lmh4J-RuqsI/w-d-xo.html
How do narcissists learn all this!?
It’s not like they go to camp for it!
Right Narcissist Camp
Precisely.....so glad I walked away 2 months ago..........
4:00
Fuckin wierdo
Are Narcissists aware of intermittent reinforcement, is it intentional?
This is what women do to men they put in the friend zone
Lol she would accuse me of breadcrumbs her lol
He was comforting me by kissing me on the forehead and cheeks while I was crying only to stick out his tongue and laughed in my face when I tried to kiss him goodbye. Disturbingly not funny
yes, they all have a distinctly immature personality. i thought it was "cute" and innocent at first, now i realize it was all an ACT- but still, overall IMMATURE
Great, but your introduction is very long before the main issue
Sorry for that, trying to make changes!
MPI: Minimum Possible Investment.
🤯
I think it was my fault for not seeing the truth
you cannot blame yourself for their sickness, they are master manipulators, who pick kind, trusting, people to use and destroy, they are soulless empty vessels on a course to nowhere we can heal in time, not sure about them
6 months no contact ... away from the monster monster monster escort .. she forgot to tell me lol and 5 other men lol karma coming
his intro and promo takes like 40% of hte entire video..
Your worth more. Do less and less for them because they want a servant and move the goalpost. Don't follow this advise if they are physically abusive.
5 minute intros are so annoying
4:00 Real topic and book reading.
The first four minutes are advertising garbage filler
LOLZ
Trying to drag people down to a place they already left lol the jealousy in these weirdos 😂