I've seen almost all action movies ever made and have to say: the dragon breath shotgun scene is a true masterpiece and will go down in action movie history
Great as cinematography but Dragon’s breath is a novelty load. “John Wick” would almost certainly use Federal Flight Control reduced recoil buck and/or slugs.
Dragon's breath scene hands down was the best action scene I've ever seen. Such a creative way they filmed that and looked straight out of a video game, in a good way.
I just saw this film and let me tell you I had a blast. It is shot phenomenally and the run time just flew by. I was left wanting more in a good way. Go see this film!
I see people keep saying how it was "Shot Phenomenally" but from a Cinematography point of view it really wasn't...most scene are lit like a student film or as we call it in the business "Party Lights", multi coloured gels everywhere making it look like the whole film takes place in a disco.
@@Iansanonce-lp4nx except there is no camera shake to obscure mistakes, so they have to use lighting; but they blended the lighting phenomenally well with the choreography imo.
John Wick is one of the few franchises where there’s not a single bad entry. Every single movie in the series is freakin’ awesome. They don’t try to preach anything to you and they don’t hold your hand as a viewer. They just entertain you and give you what you came to see, which is John Wick killing people. One of my favorite action franchises ever, perhaps even my favorite.
He was always trying to free himself from the table, and when the Elder said it doesn’t matter if you kill them all they’ll just get replaced he had to pivot. Kills and Caine were the best characters. Scott Adkins in a fat suit was awesome
Ben is one of those guy’s who criticises a film while he’s watching it with a female date & explains all the things that wouldn’t happen in real life and if later that night his date has her bag snatched while on the way home get’s to see Ben frantically try and dial 911 instead of at least try and restore her faith in men that have all the answers to questions that haven’t been asked!
Just saw it last night and holy cow. It feels like a new age western. The action, choreography, and cinematography were even better than the last movie. And the creativite use of camera angles was well done. A 10/10 masterpiece
@@littlebigkicker that's a tough one. If we're talking simply story beats 3 is better. I also prefer the situational kills in chapter 3 more. Johns in a library, so he kills a guy with a book. He's in an antique gun story, so he rebuilds a rusted gun in 40 seconds, before firing a single shot. He's chased into a horse stable, so he spurs a couple of them and they kick a few guys to death, then he gallops away. So on and so forth. Like Ben said, chapter 4 is more about quantity with more guns, more blades, and longer fights. But not enough, unique set pieces to change things up. So it can get repetitive after awhile. But if your a fan of action movies or video games, you won't care. Besides the addition of donnie yen's character helps break-up the monotony. His blind assassin fight scenes are gonna be iconic one day. Oh, and John doesn't take nearly as much damage as he did in previos movies. Which might bug people cause he fights way more often.
@@littlebigkicker John wick 3 was way better than the 4th. I thought 4 was the weakest movie in the franchise. Still better than anything Hollywood has put out in years though.
The Tracker character really took this film down a couple pegs. Literally just a role to get a black guy other than Laurence Fishburne in the film. He is literally just put in the film to make John look human for all the times he saves his ass. Nothing comes of the character either. There’s no story arc for him, no pay off, he just is there.
This film is one of the Top 3 action movies I've seen in my LIFE!! I never felt the runtime once. The stunts and action was on a level I've never seen before.
Every time Keanu gets hit by a car and just gets up made me laugh hysterically every single time…even the 10th time it happens it’s hilarious. Henchmen are killed by cars numerous times after getting hit by them once…Wick just gets up and shakes it off so many times it became comical. It reminded me of South Park when they made fun of “World War Z” and Cartman kept walking away from multiple plane crashes.
i do think its the difference between a controlled hit and not one. Like, you can get hit by a car and walk away. logically body armour would also protect your flesh from being scrapped off by the ground. I've been hit by a car in real life, I saw it, i lifted my leg up because i did some wrestling and our instructor used to do some stunt stuff. I rolled up on top, hit windscreen and got spat back down and cradled into a ball. It wasn't fun... but i was fine... ish, scrapes and bruises its a bit different than getting your ass kicked into an oncoming car. But i do see your point.
@@baobhan9094yeah, like one of them were super bad. The muscle car ramming into him he literally vaults onto right before it stops so it didn't really do anything. The things I couldn't get over were him getting thrown off the club balcony and the first flight of stairs at the end where everybody was shooting at him wide open without cover. The rest of it was feasible, but they really should've played down those parts
I get it it is pretty unrealistic but if you watch closely pretty much every time, if not all the time, John Wick jumps when someone hits him so he lands on the hood and rolls up on the windshield whereas he kicks and throws his opponents into a moving vehicle or they get hit with the car smashing their legs/knees. I might be wrong but I paid attention and that’s the conclusion I came up with. To me the really crazy part was when he jumped out of the window and landed on the car below and onto the pavement or in the third movie when Winston shot him and he fell off the roof. I am pretty sure in real life if someone fell that violently they would be dead or paralyzed. But hey, he’s John Wick the man sent to kill the boogeyman!
i didn't go expecting a super cohesive plot. I like complex movies that make you use your brain, but John Wick is my exception- i just love the action.
John Wick was a real character in the first one, though… and then much less so going forward. they can make a fantastical shoot-‘em-up movie that also has at least semi-real people in it, so it’s a shame they didn’t keep it up 🤷🏻♂️
@flyfalcons Exactly, which is why every movie gets progressively worse.. Nothing but action set pieces, but they all blend in after awhile. The action in John Wick 4 is awesome sure, but the shit story and dumb decision making will always pull me out..
Crazy how a film over 2 hours is a criticism these days. The time flew by. Of course he's going to use similar moves. He's not going to use a new technique everytime he fights someone, he uses what works. Probably the best action film I've seen and no woke politics. The effort they put in is worth your support.
Hell yeah. That was hilarious. Also. Barely being able to get up after he was shot only 3 times during the final duel at the end and dying.. End of movie. Hilarious.
My brother wanted to pee so much but can't since he know he'd miss a lot if he does. 70% of the film is all out action, it doesn't give a chance for a pee break. haha
@@PsyphaX09 haha probably the only chance is when the daughter asks John to kill his friend on the the subway for killing her father since it’s already implied he’s going to likely have to or she will.
The staircase scene had my cinema laughing out loud as well. I think they hugely missed the mark on that. The point with the Japanese plot doesn't bother me: he's in hiding with a friend and they couldn't find him until Kane told them where to look. Which moves the plot along.
The Marquis said his goal was to destroy the idea of John Wick, as he was proving that one can stand against the High Table, and they grew increasingly desperate to get rid of him. However, by the end of the movie he turns from an idea into a symbol. He kills everything they could possibly throw at him, kills the Marquis who they gave all their power to, and is then granted his freedom anyway. The foundations of the Table are shook, and John Wick is a legend.
I believe why they didn't try to do the 'revolution of the High Table' plot in John Wick 4 was that so they can set up a ton of spinoffs and TV Shows in the Wick universe. I think that's why they went with the story like they did in this film.
It's one of the strongest points of the series, "Without Rules, we would be running with the animals" basically taking down the High Table pretty much means an all out war against different assassin factions
My friends and I watched it in a “4D” Theater, which had the moving/vibrating seats, and air/water spray..and it totally made the experience that much better, haha
The Table is like a Hydra as explained by Winston. Using Winston's sense of logic, John made the right choice, the most sensible one. Killing his opponents does not give him peace and he, always on the run would exhaust him and he knows that it's just a matter of time that the high table would get him. John wants his freedom and the old ways rule is the easiest way to attain it rather than killing all of the high table which can just hire tons of assassins. The Marquis man is the tool of the high table to kill John Wick, he can utilize the resources of the high table at his disposal to advance the high table's interests. So killing the Marquis is also sensible since it will just show the high table that if they do not honor their own rules, all of them can suffer the same fate of the deceased marquis.
Totally agree. The Marquis was an avatar meant to represent the table's collective interests. That said, it just seemed like a lazy plot device intended to avoid the need for a 5th movie. Case and point, Keanu and Stahelski are both on record saying that they're taking a sabbatical from the franchise, and would only come back for a 5th movie if there was enough demand.
@@BoricuaBoy88 Idk I think John realized that he can't kill everyone especially since he gets his ass kicked throughout this movie, but also mainly that it started to affect his only friends, they began to die because of his choices, so he realized this and thought this was the only way to get the table off of him.
The only part that made me literally laugh because of how stupid it was was the stair falling stunt. I swear you could see the stunt performer lunging for the next set of stairs to keep the roll going 😂
No lie, I legit heard someone singing in the theater when that scene happened and it went like this: 🎵 John Wick, it’s John Wick, a cool and wonderful toy And made for a girl and a boy!🎵
The challenge wasn't designed for getting out. The challenge was designed to keep the table members in check between them. That's why he has to join his family
I LOVED that part!!!!! As it was happening, I sat there in awe and my husband and I stared at each other. And I was like......'WHAT????' He was like.....'NICE!!" That was for sure a GREAT scene!!!
It's pointless for John Wick to take on the table because he can kill 100 elders and another 1,000 will step in to replace them, all hungry for power. I believe Winston made this point to John and so the strategy became to use the table's own power to their advantage. Hence the table's duel rule which was designed to keep the table members in check.
Okay so literally just before the dual scene they said “those that cling to death live and those that cling to life die” John realized he was clinging to the death of his wife and Caine was clinging to the life of his daughter who was still living. John gave himself up knowing that the only way for him and the ones he cared about could go free was by his death. Also, yes, Caine and John both knew that the Marquise’s pride would cause him to overstep and put him in harms way inadvertently (kinda like Commodus in Gladiator). John capitalized on his arrogance.
I think he's still alive, I think that "John wick" is dead but jardani is still alive far from any allies or his old life, because why else would he kill the marquis knowing he would just be replaced, he knew that killing him would give him his freedom and no one from the high table would seek him out. Also why Winston said who knows when bowery king asked if he's in heaven or hell.
Lots of fair criticism, I still really enjoyed this movie. I thought Tracker was a pretty interesting character and wanted to know more about him. Would like to see a movie with him as the central character.
I have a feeling his whole thing is gonna be explained in some extended cut. He's actually one of my problems with the film - why focus on a tracker character at all when you're gonna blast John's location on the Radio and everyone has clear access to him? There was very little point to that character besides just shoehorning more action - and what was that notebook - I feel like there was more there to let on.
I laughed the loudest when 5 of a kind beat a royal flush. Keanu swearing in perfect Cantonese... 😂 Then seeing Ip Man swearing in English throughout 😂😂
seems like they are making this into a marvel universe. after spinoffs John Wick 5 will be finale...Ben you have to admit the building scene with the dragon breath shotgun shells with the top down view was insane.
If he did not die, used the tombstone to fake his death near his wife, Could be possible like others say he probably somewhere else hidden and change his identity. But I doubted there will be a 5. John wick character saga is done. Might as well leave it that way as is in the end of 4, he is truly dead R.I.P with his wife. If they ever do a 5 then keanu will be too old by then, cause reeves and director chad is moving to do other projects like keanu reeves constantine 2 movie is in the works and chad directing ghost of tsushimi the movie base from the video game. But for sure there will be new assassins for spin offs and prequels in the future to come cause it is just too much gun blazin actions and money hit at box office. They going to let the fans sit on this one waiting to itch for more.
Ben said this movie had some of the best action sequences in film history, his complaints was that some of them dragged on for way too long or did little to move the plot forward.
This was the first john wick movie I ever watched, and it didn't seem paced well... A lot of it was just fighting, I'm glad it wasn't 4 hours. I actually thought it could've been 30 minutes shorter.
@@jantheking7028 therein lies the problem, it was the first one you had seen. Us JW fans have come to expect long, drawn out, ridiculous, but well designed fight scenes. Its a whole movie series about assasins trying to kill each other, what would anyone expect?
@@rawx485 That doens't mean anything. There are tons of other movies about assassians that are better paced. Each fight scene in this movie was about 20 minutes, do you really think that was necessary? The answer is no. We don't need 20 minutes of seeing John Wick kill useless fodder characters, they could've been cut down to 20 minutes while still getting the point across. The only fight scene that felt justified using the 20 minutes was the club fight scene.
Being "highly educated" doesn't, by extension, give you a nuanced appreciation and understanding of cinema, and Ben Shapiro is proof of that. For something like Barbie, where there's a lot of political undertones and on the nose symbolism having to do with feminism, gender-roles and other such things that someone like Ben loves to talk about regardless, is one thing but appreciating and viewing cinema as an art-form is something else entirely and is not something everyone can or should be attempting to critique in the same way. If you're a fan of this man, take his opinions on film with a grain of salt and do yourself a favor and go see this. The entire John Wick franchise is one of the best series of action flicks in the last two decades, maybe ever. From the choreography to the beautiful cinematography, the world building etc. It's an incredibly fun experience and delivers exactly what it always intended to do.
It is explained that this is a self containment measure to stop war between members of the table, and because John was part of the family and got herb, he could challenge him to a duel, it makes perfect sense since he was excommunicated, his own family abandoned and had to fight for the life in the second part, and he didn't know anyone who he could challenge
Johns entire story arc was essentially his journey through hell, to his redemption in heaven. This was summed up beautiful in the final scene. What a series, bowed out at the top of its game.
@@asanmartinjr07 I believe he is alive too. When the Bowery asks Winston whether he thinks John went to Heaven or Hell, Winston tells him "Who knows?" and John's pitbull, who the Bowery is taking care of in 4, also looks off to the left after Winston answers him, like he's seeing John standing off in the distance. And I am more than willing to bet that though John did get wounded pretty bad, he had the doc or someone else fix him while Winston had his headstone made up and buried alongside his wife's. Essentially, Winston helps fake John's death so he can finally have the peace he so desires. Of course, it also means that John needs to stay out of sight or change his appearance to make it harder for potential assassins to come after him and collect that $40M bounty. Plus, I suspect Rina's character trying to kill Caine will have further implications for the future of the Continental and the High Table, which may somehow drag John back in to the life he's been trying to leave behind him.
I agree with the plot problems. I was hoping that all the rivals John let live in the previous films would help him out as a form of respect to him and actually see a revolution with a lot of the high table members having to show their power
Same. I was expecting an underground revolution going to war with the High Table... but it just never materialized and we got seriously mind-numbing fight sequences instead.
@@haroldfarquad6886 That was the point reiterated throughout the movie, you can't beat the high table even if you're john wick, you'd run out of bullets and allies before being able to do so. That's why they said the only way for freedom for John is death.
My Criticisms of JW4 (spoilers): 1. JW is immune to fall damage, surviving two fatal falls unharmed. 2. No reaction from others in the club during the shootout. 3. Killa's face shows no signs of bleeding despite being repeatedly punched by JW. This makes JW look weak. 4. The High Table is still out there; nothing has changed. 5. While I understand the hand-to-hand combat, believability is stretched as Caine, a blind man shoots with remarkable accuracy, making the final duel a joke. 6. Caine and Winston do not help John when he is dying. 7. Absence of proper farewell and no return of original characters like Aurelio. 8. The finale benefits Winston with his hotel, JW and Caine with freedom, but the Bowery King doesn't get his revenge, it was the only reason he saved JW. Despite these issues, JW4 is still a great film, though it may be the weakest in the John Wick series, it stands as one of the best action movies of this decade.
I thought it was a fun a movie, the whole point of john wick is to just go brain off, sit down and enjoy the violence. And the Osaka scene at the start I absolutely loved. I dont think they took down the table because they plan on doing some spinoff series about other characters. And I do agree it was a bit much with all the falling down extreme heights and not really being hurt lol, but oh well. Also john wick had a bullet proof thing underneath the suit, in the duel when they are taking off there suits he takes off the suit and something underneath that are both bullet proof before he gets to his shirt which is not.
The problem is most of the plot holes you say are kind of resolved if you think about it, which means at least someone in the writer's room decided to give it a thought, but the audience of these movies never ask these questions, so I guess makers never bothered to answer them. Regarding duel, there are 2 important conditions why it didn't happen before: 1. The person JW kills must have power to exonerate him 2. His duel must be sponsored by his family (The russian group) John was already out of favour with his family, still he could have asked them to sponsor a duel. But the biggest issue is no one had the power before Marquee to exonerate him, except the elder. And given the consequences here, I doubt any family would have sponsored duel against the elder. Since Marquee was given power of complete authority of the table, challenging him was a unique option not available before. I agree it was disappointing not to see John go against the whole table, but I guess that's because it was an impossible plot point anyways. Even if you kill all families, a new head (say Bowry king) will take their place and rule the same system. It's like saying you can end crime by killing biggest mafioso, and that is stupid plotline. John's motivation was to simply kill enough people till the table backs off. He had no revenge for table or winston, but he would have killed them without remorse if they came in his way. It is difficult to explain why Bowry king didn't use some tinted glass car or some other discrete mode of transportation to move John closer to stairs, but one reason could be to not allow any evidencd of him helping John out in public. If he would have dropped John personally to staircase, even if John had won, King's life would be forefeit. It is damned if you do and damned if you don't when it comes to long action sequences. It creates a logistical problem if your premise is a whole army of assassins is coming after John, but the wave ends after 5 people. I think these guys made fights interesting enough to make them enjoyable even if they are long. Akira's scenes in continental are really unique and complement John's numerous BJJ takedowns.
The realism of John Wick's injuries is part of what made the first two films great. We see him get shot and stabbed and beaten up and react to these injuries with a limp or a slower movement. Even with his insane endurance and training he is still a man. The 3rd and 4th movies both forgot that John is human which did hurt the films for suspension of disbelief somewhat, even though they are still incredible.
First two movies he doesn't start breaking the code. The sims still act like humans. Last two movies he really starts messing with the reality strands of the John Wick world.
The plot has many flaws. but the close combat action sequences are the best we ever saw on any other franchise or movie.. that alone is enough to watch it atleast once.
@@strikerbowls791 I'm being completely realistic and it was not good or I didn't like it too much falling off buildings unscaved and that happens like three or four times just a bunch of fiction can be fun stuff the first two weren't bad but the third and 4th are nothing like the first two
I saw it Saturday and I DO NOT spend $$ on todays movies but 1st: there was Zero Woke Propaganda BS to be found in this movie. 2nd: Right from the gate it's Go Go Go! 3rd: the Fight scenes with the combination Sword and Gun were never ending. The filming was spectacular. 4th: Call out to Bill Skarsgard and Clancy Brown. Beautifully done. 5th: I love the John Wick Franchise, I own all prior Chapters and Keanu is so grounded and based he is amazing to watch. This chapter will definitely be added to the other 3. 6th: ❤❤❤ amazing almost 3 hours. Perfect!
I can’t believe it. A reviewer that is honest and is not afraid to lose subscribers. Thank you for being honest. This movie was silly. He’s indestructible, bullet proof, never slows down after falling from high buildings, stairs, being shot hundred times, being hit by cars several times and so on. And the world just so happen to have thousands of assassins and police doesn’t exist.
John Wick is all about badass fight sequences, it’s not some epic soap opera story like Star Wars. Also Return of the King is 4 hours and 10 minutes long.
I agree with your criticism but thoroughly enjoyed it anyway. And yes, the Osaka series was completely irrelevant, but it was also the best action of the movie stylistically. But it all could have been better if it was the war against the table... so hopefully that'll be what they do in chapter 5
I was completely let down by this film. I remember thinking a lot of what Been said while watching it. Particularly with Scott Adkins German character. I enjoy Scott, but it feels like they just put him in the movie just to have him. And what a disservice putting him in a fat suit.
Ben, Ben, Ben... that movie was made for John Wick fans! As a woman who loves this entire series, I sat through the movie and adored it, and I had major back surgery 7 weeks ago and was in pain (no reclining seats in this theater) and I would've sat through an additional hour of that movie. We agree that I do not believe Wick is dead. I also laughed during the later half of the stairs scene, but in a loving ha, ha, I love you, and this is funny kind of way. What about the fight scene when Wick used the Dragons Breath 12 gage white phosphorus bullets? That was absolutely amazing!! Sexy. Continuing to bring in the dog fight scenes was another smart move, imo. I found the new characters interesting. Yes, Winston's dentures looked way bigger and seemed to stick out more, but I love his character and how he's always helped John, at his own peril, I might add. The death of the loyal friend Charon made me cry a little and I'm sad to know that he passed away in real life. I disagree with you as well regarding the fat basted character. He was different than the fit, slim Asian characters, John is always fighting, and he had some cool moves for a big dude, even if running isn't one of them, LoL. I hope there's a John Wick 5. I'll be there, excited to watch it.
I liked 1 also. Other then what you pointed out about 2, what got me was in such a rule based world you could "hire" Wick to kill someone and then claim honor and put out a hit on Wick for killing that person. I just found that unbelievable if the rules were so strict and so never made it to John Wick 3.
I've liked all of them so far (haven't seen 4 yet) but there was a definite tone change from the 1st to the next 2. What I liked so much about the 1st is that it was more real than most movies like that, he actually had to reload, he was actually vulnerable, he actually missed sometimes and the bad guys didn't fire off a million rounds and hit absolutely nothing. Then for the next 2 movies they just tossed that all out the window and decided to just make them as crazy as possible. Which was still good. Just not the same unique grittiness of the 1st.
Plot. Marquis Vincent de Gramont is representing the table. when you watch in the beginning Winston got Old looking paper and was told all members of the table signed that Marquis is representing the table.
I don't know, I really enjoyed it like I haven't enjoyed an action movie in a long time. Switching off the realism in your mind a bit is necessary for this franchise, and it rewards your extremely well for doing so. The first one will always be my favorite, but this one was incredible.
I disagree. It still needs to make sense within the bounds of the movie universe. No one has superpowers and it's in the usual human world. This movie went full on Marvel superhero. If Wick started flying around shooting lasers from his eyes, that would be nonsense, yet the movie isn't far from that where he's literally invulnerable by surviving things that even Wolverine in Xmen would take some time to heal. Ironically i think Shapiro has the best review of the movie.
@@JohnDoe-pt7ru I mean of course the falling off things is a bit ridiculous, but people have fallen from planes and survived in real life, so it's not superhero levels of unrealistic.
All this guy does is complain, cry, whine etc. Yeah, he's got good takes on politics occasionally hence why I'm open to some of his takes, but I can't wrap my head around people following him 24/7. This guy lives life, seeing only all the miserable parts of it lol.
It was the plan because Winston set it up in the scene when he delivered the duel challenge. He had just recently got a seat at the table and killing John Wick with his own hand was his way to propel him to control the table. The subway system with the boat is also nowhere near the church and John burned his time up by talking to his wife and alluding to his death 7:54
Kind of weird that John Wicks original 429 Boss Mustang never made an appearance in this movie when it was a major plot point in the first couple of movies
Ben Shapiro. You are wrong on this one, it was one of the greatest action movies I have ever seen and better than the other movies in thr franchise imo. The time flew by for it being 3 hours it didn't drag on at all
I think 4 should be the epic conclusion of John's story simply because it ended in his demise. Which in hindsight it should've been obvious how his story was going to end from the moment he was brought back into the assassin life. I mean. It's been about two weeks since he lost his wife. Maybe more. He's never had time to properly grieve. And I think him losing his dog, his car, and his home flipped a suicide switch in his head. He wanted to die. He just didn't want to go out by his own hands but rather in a blaze of glory. He wanted to die swinging and wrecking the system of the underworld. Which he did by killing not only the Elder of the High Table but also marquis and just about maybe 200 people in the span of a few hours. He accomplished everything he set out to do and died at the hands of someone he called a "brother". No better end than that.
Completely agree with everything you said. John Wick went from tactical realism to superhero mutant movie where the hero and villain has unlimited healing abilities like Francis.
Francis(AKA Ajax) didn't have unlimited healing abilities. He was impervious to pain and had superstrength and fast reflexes. Wade(AKA Deadpool) had unlimited healing abilities.
A few things to counter Shapiro’s faults with the film: 1. If you remember in the third film, Wick was asked why he still lives. His response was that he wants to remember his wife and remember the relationship they had. THAT is his motivation for living. THAT is why he wants to be free; so he can live his free and remember his wife peacefully. 2. Wick had a change in motivation! This was the first time that Wick realized he couldn’t do his original goal. He wanted to take down the high table, but he realized he couldn’t do that. When he spoke with Winston in NYC, Winston asked John when the end will arrive. He then proceeded to say that no matter how many heads John Wick killed, the High Table will have more heads than he has bullets. 3. Wick went to Osaka to get help. The Japanese Father (the one with long hair) was a friend of Wick. He knows the NYC Continental is finished. If the building wasn’t blown up, Wick would have most likely went there instead of the Osaka Continental. 4. The only thing valid from his stupid video is the logistics of the action scene. Yes, it is somewhat unrealistic how Wick was able to survive the falls. I assume that he was able to survive the falls as he is 1.) used to them by now, and 2.) protected by his armor. (Note: this is just a theory) However, Shapiro mentions that Killa died from a fall. THAT IS BECAUSE HE FELL HEAD FIRST. Wick did not fall headfirst!
I fully agree with Ben, first 2 chapters were amazing, 3 & 4th just felt like making JW movies with only focus on Action itself, throwing all logic out of the window, like people literally shooting right in front of him and somehow he dodging it😂
I think the biggest issue was actually just the lack of plot. The fact he didn't actually accomplish anything and the big baddie was actually just a cliché arrogant young bad guy with lots of money and no skill and that's his downfall was really bad specifically because he wasn't actually important. I do think they could have had John kill a member of the table and preserve the story for future movies but it seems like they are going to go full Fast and Furious franchise and soon we will find out a member of the table is actually located on a secret moon base and John will be fighting moon ninja's to get to him.
I'll admit I was hoping this one would be the "war" foretold in Parabellum. A war against the high table (which I guess it kinda is in some regards). But that he didn't kill all of the High Table was a disappointment. I would be perfectly happy with a 5th and final movie in which he just has something of a boss-rush against every member of the High Table to finally destroy the world of Assassins that took his life and that of so many others. For what it was, JW4 is the best John Wick movie I've seen because it was a natural evolution and escalation of what the previous films established as the rules and laws of this fictional world.
The shirt underneath was bulletproof, they say so, and its used. the final duel he actually takes that shirt off. John wick you can see actually takes controlled hits from cars and rolls on them, like with falling on stairs. So it stands to reason like 'skill isn't just about your technique in giving hits, but your technique in taking them'
"Why is john wicks goal no longer to take down the high table?" Because it is made very explicit throughout the film that goal is not feasible. John could keep having skirmishes like in the movie his whole life and would never come close to killing them all. He could also go after the elite heads of the high table but they would all just be replaced as soon as they were killed. It's too big EVEN for John. But echoing back to the 3rd movie when Winston tells john "you have to die someday so you can either die as a murderer or as the man you were when you were married" so symbolically John has a version of that redemption when he leaves the group again. That's why 4 is not just another predictable revenge story of him going after the high table. It's a tragic best case scenario for John. Think about how between 2 and 3 john is already entering that cycle of cut off a head another grows back. The marquis is just another head. There would be another but good stories end
I agree completely. And I don't find it believable that John would leave his dog behind for good. So they faked his death and he'll return for him when the time is right.
I thought the movie was great, second favorite after number one. I do agree 20 minutes of the action could have been cut out and it would have been better. However, in regards to taking down the table I think Ben missed a critical line between John and Winston. When John tells hims he's going to take down the table, Winston says, that's pretty much like taking out the entire world, there aren't enough bullets. So instead he finds a way to actually free himself from the table so he can die free and be with his wife.
This movie used to be 3 hours and 50 minutes long. Forget the 20 minutes, u had 70 minutes cut off. That's why bodies will randomly spawn and despawn in action sequences, which is really my only nitpick with this movie.
It was fun, but there were several points where it seemed the "This is a movie" effect kicked in. Guys with guns charging into Wick for NO REASON, guys with guns with obvious cover not absolutely spraying him with their 5.56's, tons of melee fights that never needed to happen, Kane just being a thing, not all the bad guys just tackling him all at the same time but a convenient drip that is tolerable, mistakes that real trained gunmen would never make. Eventually it became too unrealistic, and no war with the high table. I think #2 and the first half of #3 (before John grabs a 9mm rifle after told about armor improvements, like bruh) get the cake here.
I've seen almost all action movies ever made and have to say: the dragon breath shotgun scene is a true masterpiece and will go down in action movie history
Yeah...that was the first top down view of a shoot out I've seen. Mix that with the dragon breathe shells....awesome!
Great as cinematography but Dragon’s breath is a novelty load. “John Wick” would almost certainly use Federal Flight Control reduced recoil buck and/or slugs.
From what I’ve heard modern high quality dragons breath has buckshot packed behind it
@@thomassmith7451 remember John picked up that gun from a guy he killed he didn’t bring it into battle
It’s one of my favorite scenes in movie history.
Dragon's breath scene hands down was the best action scene I've ever seen. Such a creative way they filmed that and looked straight out of a video game, in a good way.
Hotline Miami vibes
@@theturtleman986 ye
@@theturtleman986 EXACTLY!
I dont even remember that scene lmao easily forgettable and boring action movie ever made
@@staliokontos8763 did it need family guy funny clips or subway surfers gameplay under it?
The whole movie was amazing but that shotgun dragon breath scene was one of the coolest movie scenes ever.
It's my favorite scene in the movie.
That scene is amazing, the traffic circle one was my favorite though
@@MikePitt84 that was amazing but the shotgun scene reminded me of a video game and was so unique…both scenes were unique. It’s like 1a and 1b.
I just saw this film and let me tell you I had a blast. It is shot phenomenally and the run time just flew by. I was left wanting more in a good way. Go see this film!
I see people keep saying how it was "Shot Phenomenally" but from a Cinematography point of view it really wasn't...most scene are lit like a student film or as we call it in the business "Party Lights", multi coloured gels everywhere making it look like the whole film takes place in a disco.
@@Iansanonce-lp4nx that's what's in buddy
I liked the top down shot and the guns with the firework blasts lol. But it was very long, and even a lot of the fights went on for a very long time.
@@Iansanonce-lp4nx except there is no camera shake to obscure mistakes, so they have to use lighting; but they blended the lighting phenomenally well with the choreography imo.
@@Iansanonce-lp4nx well its reaaally visually satisfying and badass, and thats what matters
John Wick is one of the few franchises where there’s not a single bad entry. Every single movie in the series is freakin’ awesome. They don’t try to preach anything to you and they don’t hold your hand as a viewer. They just entertain you and give you what you came to see, which is John Wick killing people. One of my favorite action franchises ever, perhaps even my favorite.
The last movie was trash
Nah they are entertaining but they got worse first was amazing second was decent and second was just kinda the same boring thing
Yeah pretty crazy that not one of them is bad great franchise
@@blackops2134 last one is trash not even close to as good as the other threee
@@blackops2134 3 one is pretty bad
He was always trying to free himself from the table, and when the Elder said it doesn’t matter if you kill them all they’ll just get replaced he had to pivot.
Kills and Caine were the best characters. Scott Adkins in a fat suit was awesome
The fat guy was beyond cringe,
I was impressed that Adkins could play a zany German fat guy who can roundhouse kick like a MACHINE.
You mean daredevil? This movie was the fast and furiousificatjon of the franchise
The 2hr 49min really felt like a 1hr 49min movie. It was great. See the movie in theaters
Agree. Pacing made it seem shorter.
I KNOW IT WENT BY SO FAST
Exactly I don’t know what Ben is on about 😂😂 honestly if u can make people feel like it’s 1 hour plus in a 2 hours movie means people enjoyed it lmao
Why theaters? Theaters are dying. I’ll wait for it to come to streaming
@@Lawrence_Talbot No home theater beats the experience of imax.
The scene with John wick taking out the bad guys using the fire shotgun was absolutely mind blowing
Warwolf Ordnances Dragons Breath. Small company in north Idaho. They actually showed the label in there.
agree that was crazy good
I looked like an assault rifle with different a bullet type
I’m pretty sure that was a semi automatic rifle…..
Ben is one of those guy’s who criticises a film while he’s watching it with a female date & explains all the things that wouldn’t happen in real life and if later that night his date has her bag snatched while on the way home get’s to see Ben frantically try and dial 911 instead of at least try and restore her faith in men that have all the answers to questions that haven’t been asked!
One of my favorite quotes of the movie: “Fools talk. Cowards are silent but wise men listen”. Koji Shimazu
Ben has never listened to anyone in his life
@@dr.wolfstar1765 true 😂
What about whiny high-pitched guys with the muscle mass of pee-wee herman?
I had the biggest smile on my face during the nunchuck scene
I think that was my favourite John wick fight scene in all the movies
@@billiam6071 that and the horse/motorcycle fight are my favorites
He was terrible with the nunchucks
I understand he learnt it specifically for the movie. Amazing.
@@MauroBalbino001 amazing how much he sucked with them
The falling down the stairs scene was hilarious
this whole movie was so funny at parts for literally no reason
Caine eating ramen in the middle of a skirmish was funny
@@Luke-cu7bf it was funny because it was funny. That's it
@@zylo999 you misinterpreted my comment
Literally in my head I was saying "I just made it up these stairs you as**ole AGHHHH" like I was playing John Wick in a video game.
Just saw it last night and holy cow. It feels like a new age western. The action, choreography, and cinematography were even better than the last movie. And the creativite use of camera angles was well done. A 10/10 masterpiece
ok which one was better be honest JW 3 or JW4
@@littlebigkicker that's a tough one. If we're talking simply story beats 3 is better. I also prefer the situational kills in chapter 3 more. Johns in a library, so he kills a guy with a book. He's in an antique gun story, so he rebuilds a rusted gun in 40 seconds, before firing a single shot. He's chased into a horse stable, so he spurs a couple of them and they kick a few guys to death, then he gallops away. So on and so forth.
Like Ben said, chapter 4 is more about quantity with more guns, more blades, and longer fights. But not enough, unique set pieces to change things up. So it can get repetitive after awhile. But if your a fan of action movies or video games, you won't care. Besides the addition of donnie yen's character helps break-up the monotony. His blind assassin fight scenes are gonna be iconic one day.
Oh, and John doesn't take nearly as much damage as he did in previos movies. Which might bug people cause he fights way more often.
@Jordan Hassell good point got go see 4 then just curious tyvm
@@littlebigkicker John wick 3 was way better than the 4th. I thought 4 was the weakest movie in the franchise. Still better than anything Hollywood has put out in years though.
The Tracker character really took this film down a couple pegs. Literally just a role to get a black guy other than Laurence Fishburne in the film. He is literally just put in the film to make John look human for all the times he saves his ass. Nothing comes of the character either. There’s no story arc for him, no pay off, he just is there.
If Ben doesn’t like a movie, that usually means it’s probably pretty good.
That’s been my experience so far 😆
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Yep
His movie takes are pretty bad, I'm pleased he leaves it to the people they employ at DW to make the movies they produce.
I've noticed that about him. So what I'm talking from this review is that the movie is awesome.
😂 yup ,Stop reviewing movies you nerd and go own a liberal or something..jeez what a terrible take on this movie
This film is one of the Top 3 action movies I've seen in my LIFE!! I never felt the runtime once. The stunts and action was on a level I've never seen before.
Yes!!!!!
You got bad taste in movies
@Biden is destroying the country okay guy on internet
@@IAMHIPHOP974 well, he's got general consensus on his side. Highest rated one on IMDB (at least for now)
@LetsgobrandonU-0 notice how no one liked your comment ? Here's your sign 😂😂😂
Every time Keanu gets hit by a car and just gets up made me laugh hysterically every single time…even the 10th time it happens it’s hilarious. Henchmen are killed by cars numerous times after getting hit by them once…Wick just gets up and shakes it off so many times it became comical. It reminded me of South Park when they made fun of “World War Z” and Cartman kept walking away from multiple plane crashes.
i do think its the difference between a controlled hit and not one. Like, you can get hit by a car and walk away. logically body armour would also protect your flesh from being scrapped off by the ground. I've been hit by a car in real life, I saw it, i lifted my leg up because i did some wrestling and our instructor used to do some stunt stuff. I rolled up on top, hit windscreen and got spat back down and cradled into a ball. It wasn't fun... but i was fine... ish, scrapes and bruises
its a bit different than getting your ass kicked into an oncoming car. But i do see your point.
@@baobhan9094yeah, like one of them were super bad. The muscle car ramming into him he literally vaults onto right before it stops so it didn't really do anything. The things I couldn't get over were him getting thrown off the club balcony and the first flight of stairs at the end where everybody was shooting at him wide open without cover. The rest of it was feasible, but they really should've played down those parts
I get it it is pretty unrealistic but if you watch closely pretty much every time, if not all the time, John Wick jumps when someone hits him so he lands on the hood and rolls up on the windshield whereas he kicks and throws his opponents into a moving vehicle or they get hit with the car smashing their legs/knees. I might be wrong but I paid attention and that’s the conclusion I came up with. To me the really crazy part was when he jumped out of the window and landed on the car below and onto the pavement or in the third movie when Winston shot him and he fell off the roof. I am pretty sure in real life if someone fell that violently they would be dead or paralyzed. But hey, he’s John Wick the man sent to kill the boogeyman!
Unlike most hollywood movies, I was entertained and it was glorious.
just got back from seeing it. It was simply a FUN movie. Over the top absolutely. But it was a simple fun action movie.
Even most the critics liked it, except for a few who seemed to think there was too much violence. Guess they were execting a romcom
@@marinewillis1202 kind of like a b-rated action film?
..Yeah
@@rawx485 “too much violence” 😂 In John Wick film they clearly haven’t been paying attention to the series
i didn't go expecting a super cohesive plot. I like complex movies that make you use your brain, but John Wick is my exception- i just love the action.
Try Haywire with Gina Carano. Fun action/James Bond type movie.
John Wick was a real character in the first one, though… and then much less so going forward. they can make a fantastical shoot-‘em-up movie that also has at least semi-real people in it, so it’s a shame they didn’t keep it up 🤷🏻♂️
I signed up for three hours of Keanu kicking butt in ridiculous fashion, and that's exactly what I got. Would recommend.
He didn't do it that much in this one I thought compared to the others, the focus wasn't on him as much either.
Some people like a good story and script too but to each their own
Yeah if you're in Neanderthal and all you like is the same action sequence over and over again for 20 plus minutes that go on way too long.
@@VykeKing it's not that kind of movie
@flyfalcons Exactly, which is why every movie gets progressively worse.. Nothing but action set pieces, but they all blend in after awhile. The action in John Wick 4 is awesome sure, but the shit story and dumb decision making will always pull me out..
Love when he saved Mr Nobody’s dog and Caine stabbed Chidi with a pencil, true callbacks to the first John Wick lol
I knew they would all ally in some way this chapter truly was predictable.
Yes!
Call backs were used to distract you from the fact the plot failed.
Crazy how a film over 2 hours is a criticism these days. The time flew by. Of course he's going to use similar moves. He's not going to use a new technique everytime he fights someone, he uses what works.
Probably the best action film I've seen and no woke politics. The effort they put in is worth your support.
When he rolled down the stairs twice everyone was laughing at the theater
Hell yeah. That was hilarious. Also. Barely being able to get up after he was shot only 3 times during the final duel at the end and dying.. End of movie. Hilarious.
Keanu REAVES Never fails to entertain
What about Tom Petty?
Keanu is such an amazing actor and person.
Cyberpunk
@@kylekullin2520 Please practice relevancy lolol..
@@Smurfy10285 do you like Lorerunner?
It felt shorter than it was to me because the pacing is fast. Once the action starts it just never stops.
Same here, didn't feel like a 2 hour 49 minute long movie. Everything happening was engaging to the point where you lose yourself in it.
My brother wanted to pee so much but can't since he know he'd miss a lot if he does. 70% of the film is all out action, it doesn't give a chance for a pee break. haha
@@PsyphaX09 haha probably the only chance is when the daughter asks John to kill his friend on the the subway for killing her father since it’s already implied he’s going to likely have to or she will.
Great movies are long
The staircase scene had my cinema laughing out loud as well. I think they hugely missed the mark on that. The point with the Japanese plot doesn't bother me: he's in hiding with a friend and they couldn't find him until Kane told them where to look. Which moves the plot along.
uhh it was supposed to be comical? i think you missed the mark lmao
If it was supposed to be funny i missed that as well, did not get that impression.
The Marquis said his goal was to destroy the idea of John Wick, as he was proving that one can stand against the High Table, and they grew increasingly desperate to get rid of him.
However, by the end of the movie he turns from an idea into a symbol. He kills everything they could possibly throw at him, kills the Marquis who they gave all their power to, and is then granted his freedom anyway.
The foundations of the Table are shook, and John Wick is a legend.
I believe why they didn't try to do the 'revolution of the High Table' plot in John Wick 4 was that so they can set up a ton of spinoffs and TV Shows in the Wick universe. I think that's why they went with the story like they did in this film.
That could be true but taking out the table does not mean their cannot be factions or even other tables.
It's one of the strongest points of the series, "Without Rules, we would be running with the animals" basically taking down the High Table pretty much means an all out war against different assassin factions
I personally don't want to see the High Table. I want it to remain this faceless thing that you always hear about but never see.
So there gona run this horse till John Wick 10
Yes they are still under the table
My friends and I watched it in a “4D” Theater, which had the moving/vibrating seats, and air/water spray..and it totally made the experience that much better, haha
Name of the theater?
@@crypto2633 Irvine Spectrum Regal Theaters, Irvine CA
@@mikekling4605 thanks
The Table is like a Hydra as explained by Winston. Using Winston's sense of logic, John made the right choice, the most sensible one. Killing his opponents does not give him peace and he, always on the run would exhaust him and he knows that it's just a matter of time that the high table would get him. John wants his freedom and the old ways rule is the easiest way to attain it rather than killing all of the high table which can just hire tons of assassins. The Marquis man is the tool of the high table to kill John Wick, he can utilize the resources of the high table at his disposal to advance the high table's interests. So killing the Marquis is also sensible since it will just show the high table that if they do not honor their own rules, all of them can suffer the same fate of the deceased marquis.
Totally agree. The Marquis was an avatar meant to represent the table's collective interests.
That said, it just seemed like a lazy plot device intended to avoid the need for a 5th movie.
Case and point, Keanu and Stahelski are both on record saying that they're taking a sabbatical from the franchise, and would only come back for a 5th movie if there was enough demand.
@@BoricuaBoy88 Idk I think John realized that he can't kill everyone especially since he gets his ass kicked throughout this movie, but also mainly that it started to affect his only friends, they began to die because of his choices, so he realized this and thought this was the only way to get the table off of him.
i never felt the runtime. incredible movie, fire breath shotgun scene was incredible well directed
I love Ben and I respect and understand his reasons but naaaaaaaah this movie was absolutely phenomenal! 😂
Amen.
Boring and repetitive and horrible acting; it's basically like watching a video game.
Yeah, I like Ben too, I resonate pretty well with his politics, but I think he gave this movie two stars too short.
@@oblivious108 Or two stars too many. This movie was made for 14-year-old boys with ADHD.
The reason his opinion here seems stupid is because most of Ben’s opinions are stupid
The only part that made me literally laugh because of how stupid it was was the stair falling stunt. I swear you could see the stunt performer lunging for the next set of stairs to keep the roll going 😂
Yeah but credit to that guy.... it was 1 take all the way down as I recall wasnt it?
Almost like it was funny.... On purpose
It was definitely on purpose lol
No lie, I legit heard someone singing in the theater when that scene happened and it went like this:
🎵 John Wick, it’s John Wick, a cool and wonderful toy
And made for a girl and a boy!🎵
Our entire theater was laughing, good times 🤣😂
Love that Ben dressed like John Wick!
All he needs is longer hair.
Right lol the thumbnail photo is absolutely awesome 😂 it's like he was in the movie haha
@@thegardener2173 Yes! He looks like a total action star 🤩
I agree with this 100%!!!!
Yeah but it's not bullet proof lmao
The challenge wasn't designed for getting out. The challenge was designed to keep the table members in check between them. That's why he has to join his family
The overhead continuous shot inside the run down building in Paris was enough to give it 4 stars for me.
That was the best scene in the movie.
I LOVED that part!!!!! As it was happening, I sat there in awe and my husband and I stared at each other. And I was like......'WHAT????' He was like.....'NICE!!"
That was for sure a GREAT scene!!!
It's pointless for John Wick to take on the table because he can kill 100 elders and another 1,000 will step in to replace them, all hungry for power. I believe Winston made this point to John and so the strategy became to use the table's own power to their advantage. Hence the table's duel rule which was designed to keep the table members in check.
I thought he went to Osaka because he had “very few friends left” and then the marquis tracked him there because of that
Okay so literally just before the dual scene they said “those that cling to death live and those that cling to life die” John realized he was clinging to the death of his wife and Caine was clinging to the life of his daughter who was still living. John gave himself up knowing that the only way for him and the ones he cared about could go free was by his death. Also, yes, Caine and John both knew that the Marquise’s pride would cause him to overstep and put him in harms way inadvertently (kinda like Commodus in Gladiator). John capitalized on his arrogance.
I think he's still alive, I think that "John wick" is dead but jardani is still alive far from any allies or his old life, because why else would he kill the marquis knowing he would just be replaced, he knew that killing him would give him his freedom and no one from the high table would seek him out. Also why Winston said who knows when bowery king asked if he's in heaven or hell.
Lots of fair criticism, I still really enjoyed this movie. I thought Tracker was a pretty interesting character and wanted to know more about him. Would like to see a movie with him as the central character.
you mean mr nobody? hehe. yeah he was a pretty good character.
This movie doesn't deserve criticism
I expect Ben to have some ridiculous criticisms, it's basically why I watch his reviews
P.S. you're right, they were mostly fair
@@strikerbowls791 Every film deserves fair criticism if there are fair criticisms to be had. Ben made valid points.
I have a feeling his whole thing is gonna be explained in some extended cut. He's actually one of my problems with the film - why focus on a tracker character at all when you're gonna blast John's location on the Radio and everyone has clear access to him? There was very little point to that character besides just shoehorning more action - and what was that notebook - I feel like there was more there to let on.
I laughed the loudest when 5 of a kind beat a royal flush. Keanu swearing in perfect Cantonese... 😂
Then seeing Ip Man swearing in English throughout 😂😂
seems like they are making this into a marvel universe. after spinoffs John Wick 5 will be finale...Ben you have to admit the building scene with the dragon breath shotgun shells with the top down view was insane.
YES that was the best part in the movie hands down. I was there for cinematography and action and I got what I paid for tbh
I wonder if it was a homage to Hotline Miami. Like it played out literally like the game lol
no the 4 is the final part director confirmed it
If he did not die, used the tombstone to fake his death near his wife, Could be possible like others say he probably somewhere else hidden and change his identity.
But I doubted there will be a 5. John wick character saga is done. Might as well leave it that way as is in the end of 4, he is truly dead R.I.P with his wife. If they ever do a 5 then keanu will be too old by then, cause reeves and director chad is moving to do other projects like keanu reeves constantine 2 movie is in the works and chad directing ghost of tsushimi the movie base from the video game.
But for sure there will be new assassins for spin offs and prequels in the future to come cause it is just too much gun blazin actions and money hit at box office. They going to let the fans sit on this one waiting to itch for more.
Ben said this movie had some of the best action sequences in film history, his complaints was that some of them dragged on for way too long or did little to move the plot forward.
It was originally closer to 4 hours, but they knew that was too much. It really didnt seem to be as long as it was, it was paced well.
I'm hoping they release the full 4 hour film as a directors cut on the Blu Ray release.
This was the first john wick movie I ever watched, and it didn't seem paced well... A lot of it was just fighting, I'm glad it wasn't 4 hours. I actually thought it could've been 30 minutes shorter.
@@jantheking7028 therein lies the problem, it was the first one you had seen. Us JW fans have come to expect long, drawn out, ridiculous, but well designed fight scenes. Its a whole movie series about assasins trying to kill each other, what would anyone expect?
@@rawx485 That doens't mean anything. There are tons of other movies about assassians that are better paced. Each fight scene in this movie was about 20 minutes, do you really think that was necessary? The answer is no. We don't need 20 minutes of seeing John Wick kill useless fodder characters, they could've been cut down to 20 minutes while still getting the point across. The only fight scene that felt justified using the 20 minutes was the club fight scene.
@@jantheking7028 is a 20 minute fight scene necessary? Yes. Always.
Ben's review was finished at 8:30, but the video lasts over 19:00. Now whose runtime is too long? 😶
You forget something. Friendship means nothing when it’s convenient
Not gonna lie, my jaw dropped when Ben said “NOPE” about this movie, but I still love the guy.
I love listening to The Ben Shapiro Show, but his movie takes are not the best haha
Being "highly educated" doesn't, by extension, give you a nuanced appreciation and understanding of cinema, and Ben Shapiro is proof of that. For something like Barbie, where there's a lot of political undertones and on the nose symbolism having to do with feminism, gender-roles and other such things that someone like Ben loves to talk about regardless, is one thing but appreciating and viewing cinema as an art-form is something else entirely and is not something everyone can or should be attempting to critique in the same way. If you're a fan of this man, take his opinions on film with a grain of salt and do yourself a favor and go see this. The entire John Wick franchise is one of the best series of action flicks in the last two decades, maybe ever. From the choreography to the beautiful cinematography, the world building etc. It's an incredibly fun experience and delivers exactly what it always intended to do.
It is explained that this is a self containment measure to stop war between members of the table, and because John was part of the family and got herb, he could challenge him to a duel, it makes perfect sense since he was excommunicated, his own family abandoned and had to fight for the life in the second part, and he didn't know anyone who he could challenge
Johns entire story arc was essentially his journey through hell, to his redemption in heaven. This was summed up beautiful in the final scene. What a series, bowed out at the top of its game.
I don't know that I'd consider JW4 the top of its game
I don’t think John Wick dies. It’s implied but not confirmed. I bet he’s alive & coming back for part V.
@@asanmartinjr07 and that’s the problem, it really should be the last
@@asanmartinjr07 I believe he is alive too. When the Bowery asks Winston whether he thinks John went to Heaven or Hell, Winston tells him "Who knows?" and John's pitbull, who the Bowery is taking care of in 4, also looks off to the left after Winston answers him, like he's seeing John standing off in the distance. And I am more than willing to bet that though John did get wounded pretty bad, he had the doc or someone else fix him while Winston had his headstone made up and buried alongside his wife's. Essentially, Winston helps fake John's death so he can finally have the peace he so desires. Of course, it also means that John needs to stay out of sight or change his appearance to make it harder for potential assassins to come after him and collect that $40M bounty. Plus, I suspect Rina's character trying to kill Caine will have further implications for the future of the Continental and the High Table, which may somehow drag John back in to the life he's been trying to leave behind him.
What are you, a bot?
Worst take by Ben Shapiro. John wick 4 was amazing
Everyone in my theater was laughing too when he fell down the stairs lmao it reminded me of Princess Bride
I agree with the plot problems. I was hoping that all the rivals John let live in the previous films would help him out as a form of respect to him and actually see a revolution with a lot of the high table members having to show their power
Yeesss!! I'd watch this movie
that’s what i thought
Same. I was expecting an underground revolution going to war with the High Table... but it just never materialized and we got seriously mind-numbing fight sequences instead.
@@haroldfarquad6886 That was the point reiterated throughout the movie, you can't beat the high table even if you're john wick, you'd run out of bullets and allies before being able to do so. That's why they said the only way for freedom for John is death.
go watch avengers assemble
My Criticisms of JW4 (spoilers):
1. JW is immune to fall damage, surviving two fatal falls unharmed.
2. No reaction from others in the club during the shootout.
3. Killa's face shows no signs of bleeding despite being repeatedly punched by JW. This makes JW look weak.
4. The High Table is still out there; nothing has changed.
5. While I understand the hand-to-hand combat, believability is stretched as Caine, a blind man shoots with remarkable accuracy, making the final duel a joke.
6. Caine and Winston do not help John when he is dying.
7. Absence of proper farewell and no return of original characters like Aurelio.
8. The finale benefits Winston with his hotel, JW and Caine with freedom, but the Bowery King doesn't get his revenge, it was the only reason he saved JW.
Despite these issues, JW4 is still a great film, though it may be the weakest in the John Wick series, it stands as one of the best action movies of this decade.
This is by far the best movie review from ANYONE who couldn’t turn their brain off for a few hours
still collected more just from parking tickets than Run, Hide, Cry and Terror on the Prairie did combined lmao
I thought it was a fun a movie, the whole point of john wick is to just go brain off, sit down and enjoy the violence. And the Osaka scene at the start I absolutely loved. I dont think they took down the table because they plan on doing some spinoff series about other characters. And I do agree it was a bit much with all the falling down extreme heights and not really being hurt lol, but oh well. Also john wick had a bullet proof thing underneath the suit, in the duel when they are taking off there suits he takes off the suit and something underneath that are both bullet proof before he gets to his shirt which is not.
I absolutely loved the movie. Yeah it had some issues, but damn was I entertained. The drifting doughnuts repeatedly while taking shots was so cool
Yes bro! That scene and the top down scene with the dragon breath shotgun was so badass
"Yeah it had some issues" like all the movie. Congrats you love the marvelization of cinema
People are really easily entertained these days.
The problem is most of the plot holes you say are kind of resolved if you think about it, which means at least someone in the writer's room decided to give it a thought, but the audience of these movies never ask these questions, so I guess makers never bothered to answer them.
Regarding duel, there are 2 important conditions why it didn't happen before:
1. The person JW kills must have power to exonerate him
2. His duel must be sponsored by his family (The russian group)
John was already out of favour with his family, still he could have asked them to sponsor a duel. But the biggest issue is no one had the power before Marquee to exonerate him, except the elder. And given the consequences here, I doubt any family would have sponsored duel against the elder.
Since Marquee was given power of complete authority of the table, challenging him was a unique option not available before.
I agree it was disappointing not to see John go against the whole table, but I guess that's because it was an impossible plot point anyways. Even if you kill all families, a new head (say Bowry king) will take their place and rule the same system. It's like saying you can end crime by killing biggest mafioso, and that is stupid plotline. John's motivation was to simply kill enough people till the table backs off. He had no revenge for table or winston, but he would have killed them without remorse if they came in his way.
It is difficult to explain why Bowry king didn't use some tinted glass car or some other discrete mode of transportation to move John closer to stairs, but one reason could be to not allow any evidencd of him helping John out in public. If he would have dropped John personally to staircase, even if John had won, King's life would be forefeit.
It is damned if you do and damned if you don't when it comes to long action sequences. It creates a logistical problem if your premise is a whole army of assassins is coming after John, but the wave ends after 5 people. I think these guys made fights interesting enough to make them enjoyable even if they are long. Akira's scenes in continental are really unique and complement John's numerous BJJ takedowns.
The realism of John Wick's injuries is part of what made the first two films great. We see him get shot and stabbed and beaten up and react to these injuries with a limp or a slower movement. Even with his insane endurance and training he is still a man. The 3rd and 4th movies both forgot that John is human which did hurt the films for suspension of disbelief somewhat, even though they are still incredible.
I think 1 and 2 are still the best ones, the tone clearly changed after those
First two movies he doesn't start breaking the code. The sims still act like humans. Last two movies he really starts messing with the reality strands of the John Wick world.
Ben Shapiro’s entire motto when it comes to reviewing films seems to be: Hmmm how can I be different and wrong in every conceivable way?
What are your arguments then
lol i thought the movie was good but i agree with his arguments for the most part here
The arguments really are valid.
@@jedrzejdziadczyk8190 yet here you are watching and commenting 😂
The plot has many flaws. but the close combat action sequences are the best we ever saw on any other franchise or movie.. that alone is enough to watch it atleast once.
Watch the Raid
2 hours and 40 minutes felt like one hour because of fast pace and amazing action
Exactly, this movie flew by. Shapiro's dislike to like ratio is gonna be outrageous.
The homage to The Warriors movie was pretty cool. As soon as I saw the On Air sign , I knew it was coming
Yeah, that bit immediately made me think of The Warriors as well which was pretty awesome
I loved this movie and was laughing with delight throughout every fight scene
Maybe I'm psychotic, but it's so delightful to watch
I was definitely feeling giddy during a lot of those fights
Ben's take on the dancers just dancing while people are getting axe murdered while they watched was legit my same reaction while watching 😂
This movie is FANTASTIC, just GO to cinema and watch it.
Yeah I did and now I feel ripped off!
@@Fyoutube444 what?
@@Fyoutube444 haha R rated movie not for child like ya 😆
@@strikerbowls791 I'm being completely realistic and it was not good or I didn't like it too much falling off buildings unscaved and that happens like three or four times just a bunch of fiction can be fun stuff the first two weren't bad but the third and 4th are nothing like the first two
@@nizsheerpa7978 🤡🤡🤡
I saw it Saturday and I DO NOT spend $$ on todays movies but 1st: there was Zero Woke Propaganda BS to be found in this movie.
2nd: Right from the gate it's Go Go Go!
3rd: the Fight scenes with the combination Sword and Gun were never ending.
The filming was spectacular.
4th: Call out to Bill Skarsgard and Clancy Brown. Beautifully done.
5th: I love the John Wick Franchise, I own all prior Chapters and Keanu is so grounded and based he is amazing to watch. This chapter will definitely be added to the other 3.
6th: ❤❤❤ amazing almost 3 hours. Perfect!
I can’t believe it. A reviewer that is honest and is not afraid to lose subscribers. Thank you for being honest. This movie was silly. He’s indestructible, bullet proof, never slows down after falling from high buildings, stairs, being shot hundred times, being hit by cars several times and so on.
And the world just so happen to have thousands of assassins and police doesn’t exist.
Na, u just tweaking bro...
The inhaler and the noodle eating scene😂😂😂😂😂
Everybody under the age of 12 is shocked that Ben didn’t like this movie
Everybody who watches Ben is under the age of 12
@@gaylordrobinson1199 And yet here you are...
@@jantheking7028 just to make fun of the retards
John Wick is all about badass fight sequences, it’s not some epic soap opera story like Star Wars. Also Return of the King is 4 hours and 10 minutes long.
I have not seen it but I enjoyed the bit with the guns, the fighting and the fast cars.
And the bits in between.
I’ve seen it and it is awesome!! Trust me you’ll love it. Don’t over think and just enjoy!!
I agree with your criticism but thoroughly enjoyed it anyway. And yes, the Osaka series was completely irrelevant, but it was also the best action of the movie stylistically. But it all could have been better if it was the war against the table... so hopefully that'll be what they do in chapter 5
Keanu Reeves is the ultimate G.O.A.T
And also Tom Cruise. 😁
I was completely let down by this film. I remember thinking a lot of what Been said while watching it. Particularly with Scott Adkins German character. I enjoy Scott, but it feels like they just put him in the movie just to have him. And what a disservice putting him in a fat suit.
Ben, Ben, Ben... that movie was made for John Wick fans! As a woman who loves this entire series, I sat through the movie and adored it, and I had major back surgery 7 weeks ago and was in pain (no reclining seats in this theater) and I would've sat through an additional hour of that movie.
We agree that I do not believe Wick is dead. I also laughed during the later half of the stairs scene, but in a loving ha, ha, I love you, and this is funny kind of way.
What about the fight scene when Wick used the Dragons Breath 12 gage white phosphorus bullets? That was absolutely amazing!! Sexy.
Continuing to bring in the dog fight scenes was another smart move, imo. I found the new characters interesting.
Yes, Winston's dentures looked way bigger and seemed to stick out more, but I love his character and how he's always helped John, at his own peril, I might add. The death of the loyal friend Charon made me cry a little and I'm sad to know that he passed away in real life.
I disagree with you as well regarding the fat basted character. He was different than the fit, slim Asian characters, John is always fighting, and he had some cool moves for a big dude, even if running isn't one of them, LoL.
I hope there's a John Wick 5. I'll be there, excited to watch it.
I liked 1 and the first half of 2, but when everyone in the world turned out to be an assassin at the end, I knew the series had reached its peak.
I liked 1 also. Other then what you pointed out about 2, what got me was in such a rule based world you could "hire" Wick to kill someone and then claim honor and put out a hit on Wick for killing that person. I just found that unbelievable if the rules were so strict and so never made it to John Wick 3.
I've liked all of them so far (haven't seen 4 yet) but there was a definite tone change from the 1st to the next 2. What I liked so much about the 1st is that it was more real than most movies like that, he actually had to reload, he was actually vulnerable, he actually missed sometimes and the bad guys didn't fire off a million rounds and hit absolutely nothing. Then for the next 2 movies they just tossed that all out the window and decided to just make them as crazy as possible. Which was still good. Just not the same unique grittiness of the 1st.
The 1st is by far the most realistic but basically after that if you just think of John Wick as a superhero it makes it easier to enjoy the action 😄
@B Hansen same 😴
Plot. Marquis Vincent de Gramont is representing the table. when you watch in the beginning Winston got Old looking paper and was told all members of the table signed that Marquis is representing the table.
I don't know, I really enjoyed it like I haven't enjoyed an action movie in a long time. Switching off the realism in your mind a bit is necessary for this franchise, and it rewards your extremely well for doing so.
The first one will always be my favorite, but this one was incredible.
Fair.
I disagree. It still needs to make sense within the bounds of the movie universe. No one has superpowers and it's in the usual human world. This movie went full on Marvel superhero. If Wick started flying around shooting lasers from his eyes, that would be nonsense, yet the movie isn't far from that where he's literally invulnerable by surviving things that even Wolverine in Xmen would take some time to heal.
Ironically i think Shapiro has the best review of the movie.
@@JohnDoe-pt7ru I mean of course the falling off things is a bit ridiculous, but people have fallen from planes and survived in real life, so it's not superhero levels of unrealistic.
@@JohnDoe-pt7ru Disagreed.
It got overwhelming at points, but the action set pieces were imaginative and supernaturally executed.
All this guy does is complain, cry, whine etc. Yeah, he's got good takes on politics occasionally hence why I'm open to some of his takes, but I can't wrap my head around people following him 24/7. This guy lives life, seeing only all the miserable parts of it lol.
It was the plan because Winston set it up in the scene when he delivered the duel challenge.
He had just recently got a seat at the table and killing John Wick with his own hand was his way to propel him to control the table.
The subway system with the boat is also nowhere near the church and John burned his time up by talking to his wife and alluding to his death 7:54
Kind of weird that John Wicks original 429 Boss Mustang never made an appearance in this movie when it was a major plot point in the first couple of movies
It’s not fixed until Christmas 2030 🥴
Ben Shapiro. You are wrong on this one, it was one of the greatest action movies I have ever seen and better than the other movies in thr franchise imo. The time flew by for it being 3 hours it didn't drag on at all
My theatre also laughed out loud at the "rolling down the stairs" scene
I think 4 should be the epic conclusion of John's story simply because it ended in his demise. Which in hindsight it should've been obvious how his story was going to end from the moment he was brought back into the assassin life.
I mean. It's been about two weeks since he lost his wife. Maybe more. He's never had time to properly grieve. And I think him losing his dog, his car, and his home flipped a suicide switch in his head.
He wanted to die. He just didn't want to go out by his own hands but rather in a blaze of glory.
He wanted to die swinging and wrecking the system of the underworld. Which he did by killing not only the Elder of the High Table but also marquis and just about maybe 200 people in the span of a few hours.
He accomplished everything he set out to do and died at the hands of someone he called a "brother". No better end than that.
The action was insane! Idk how Keanu keeps this up.
Completely agree with everything you said. John Wick went from tactical realism to superhero mutant movie where the hero and villain has unlimited healing abilities like Francis.
Francis(AKA Ajax) didn't have unlimited healing abilities. He was impervious to pain and had superstrength and fast reflexes. Wade(AKA Deadpool) had unlimited healing abilities.
KnotMe a goofy ahh opinion💀
A few things to counter Shapiro’s faults with the film:
1. If you remember in the third film, Wick was asked why he still lives. His response was that he wants to remember his wife and remember the relationship they had. THAT is his motivation for living. THAT is why he wants to be free; so he can live his free and remember his wife peacefully.
2. Wick had a change in motivation! This was the first time that Wick realized he couldn’t do his original goal. He wanted to take down the high table, but he realized he couldn’t do that. When he spoke with Winston in NYC, Winston asked John when the end will arrive. He then proceeded to say that no matter how many heads John Wick killed, the High Table will have more heads than he has bullets.
3. Wick went to Osaka to get help. The Japanese Father (the one with long hair) was a friend of Wick. He knows the NYC Continental is finished. If the building wasn’t blown up, Wick would have most likely went there instead of the Osaka Continental.
4. The only thing valid from his stupid video is the logistics of the action scene. Yes, it is somewhat unrealistic how Wick was able to survive the falls. I assume that he was able to survive the falls as he is 1.) used to them by now, and 2.) protected by his armor. (Note: this is just a theory) However, Shapiro mentions that Killa died from a fall. THAT IS BECAUSE HE FELL HEAD FIRST. Wick did not fall headfirst!
I fully agree with Ben, first 2 chapters were amazing, 3 & 4th just felt like making JW movies with only focus on Action itself, throwing all logic out of the window, like people literally shooting right in front of him and somehow he dodging it😂
He's not really dodging it, his suit is bullet proof.
bulletproof suit, but also him dodging bullets is logical when he is also Neo
He totally nailed it, I loved the first two movies and the third still had some really great parts, but with 3 and 4 the plot really suffers.
Of course Ben Shapiro didn’t like the movie. At this point he’s just trying so hard to be controversial. This man is the definition of clapped
John Wick has a bigger health bar than any one-man army video game protagonist LOL
I think the biggest issue was actually just the lack of plot. The fact he didn't actually accomplish anything and the big baddie was actually just a cliché arrogant young bad guy with lots of money and no skill and that's his downfall was really bad specifically because he wasn't actually important. I do think they could have had John kill a member of the table and preserve the story for future movies but it seems like they are going to go full Fast and Furious franchise and soon we will find out a member of the table is actually located on a secret moon base and John will be fighting moon ninja's to get to him.
wery weird take💀
I'll admit I was hoping this one would be the "war" foretold in Parabellum. A war against the high table (which I guess it kinda is in some regards). But that he didn't kill all of the High Table was a disappointment. I would be perfectly happy with a 5th and final movie in which he just has something of a boss-rush against every member of the High Table to finally destroy the world of Assassins that took his life and that of so many others.
For what it was, JW4 is the best John Wick movie I've seen because it was a natural evolution and escalation of what the previous films established as the rules and laws of this fictional world.
The shirt underneath was bulletproof, they say so, and its used. the final duel he actually takes that shirt off. John wick you can see actually takes controlled hits from cars and rolls on them, like with falling on stairs. So it stands to reason like 'skill isn't just about your technique in giving hits, but your technique in taking them'
They gave Johnny Silverhand his own movie
"We've got a city to burn" 😂
So, John WIck is actually an immortal HIghlander!
"Why is john wicks goal no longer to take down the high table?" Because it is made very explicit throughout the film that goal is not feasible. John could keep having skirmishes like in the movie his whole life and would never come close to killing them all. He could also go after the elite heads of the high table but they would all just be replaced as soon as they were killed. It's too big EVEN for John. But echoing back to the 3rd movie when Winston tells john "you have to die someday so you can either die as a murderer or as the man you were when you were married" so symbolically John has a version of that redemption when he leaves the group again. That's why 4 is not just another predictable revenge story of him going after the high table. It's a tragic best case scenario for John. Think about how between 2 and 3 john is already entering that cycle of cut off a head another grows back. The marquis is just another head. There would be another but good stories end
I agree completely. And I don't find it believable that John would leave his dog behind for good. So they faked his death and he'll return for him when the time is right.
I thought the movie was great, second favorite after number one. I do agree 20 minutes of the action could have been cut out and it would have been better. However, in regards to taking down the table I think Ben missed a critical line between John and Winston. When John tells hims he's going to take down the table, Winston says, that's pretty much like taking out the entire world, there aren't enough bullets. So instead he finds a way to actually free himself from the table so he can die free and be with his wife.
This movie used to be 3 hours and 50 minutes long. Forget the 20 minutes, u had 70 minutes cut off. That's why bodies will randomly spawn and despawn in action sequences, which is really my only nitpick with this movie.
the blind guy killing everyone was really throwing me tf off lol
It was fun, but there were several points where it seemed the "This is a movie" effect kicked in. Guys with guns charging into Wick for NO REASON, guys with guns with obvious cover not absolutely spraying him with their 5.56's, tons of melee fights that never needed to happen, Kane just being a thing, not all the bad guys just tackling him all at the same time but a convenient drip that is tolerable, mistakes that real trained gunmen would never make. Eventually it became too unrealistic, and no war with the high table. I think #2 and the first half of #3 (before John grabs a 9mm rifle after told about armor improvements, like bruh) get the cake here.
It's one of those movies that will have to be watched several times to ascertain it's full value. I was entirely impressed.
Can't disagree more. I loved it. Don't listen to Ben