Fixing a Viewer's BROKEN Gaming PC? - Fix or Flop S2:E13
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This broken system refuses to POST! And the solution is crazy... didn't see this one coming! By the way, if you live in the Orlando, FL area and have an issue with your rig, apply to have it (possibly) fixed for free today! gregsalazar.com/fix-or-flop
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Just as a follow-up: Probing the reset connector (which I should have filmed on-camera) revealed a short. No surprise there! Still glad I swapped the case for him. Was a nice upgrade 👍
Nice, time to move to Florida then, my pc bwokey can i get 3090 pweaseeee? 🥺👉👈
Is soldering something you're comfortable doing?
@@Anton-qe7rh I've soldered in videos before. I'm not great at it, but I've done it several times.
that was going to be my next question!
I have seen a shorted reset switch 3 times now in my 25 year career
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These are all interesting, sometimes I figure it out first, sometime not, and sometimes I'm baffled and end up being really surprised by the reason. It makes for an interesting mental exercise to test your debugging skills. Good work, Greg!
Thanks for continuing to watch!
@@GregSalazar Hey Greg can you make a video on finding a PC’s serial number?
@@GregSalazar This one was definitely a stumper! When you found it was an issue with the button, I would have tested it from the wire rather than pulling it first. It may be shorting with the case. If it is a wonky switch you can replace it or the module. I would put the switch back in the case and see if it's still fubar.
@@ZackSNetwork Do you need more info than what's here? Right click the windows button and select SYSTEM?
@@ZackSNetwork Also type dxdiag in the search box and run as admin?
Did you check continuity at the cable ends? I wouldn't be shocked to see a ribbon cable with a short.
I also think thats the issue here.
I 3rd this comment....that's almost certainly the issue.
Some ribbon cables have misaligned copper wires internally and they short to neighbor cables. I'd check continuity at the end and split all pairs just to check if it solves the problem. Maybe an improvised twitter video could help solve the mystery
Sorry I need an elaboration on this. I understand the point made but wouldn’t probing the solder joints on the board also be the same as probing the cable ends as they’re continuous all the way down? Just a noob to computer and other tech fixes but an electrician by trade trying to diversify my knowledge.
@@joeclifford183 Well if the issue is between the two points, like if the cable contains the issue, then you can identify the problem like that, but not when checking at the soldering points.
"By the way, clearing the cmos did nothing" - Greg is getting really good at streamlining these videos, and still addressing the thoughts of tech literate people.
My goal is to try to avoid straight redundancy - which is harder than it sounds when troubleshooting hardware hahah.
Editing mistake @5:21 and @8:10 the exact same clip??
@@MultiColouredVaginayeah i was confused af lol
I almost finished all the fix or flop and pcdc series and it actually helped me have the courage to clean and diagnose my pc whenever i encounter problems, keep up the good work! Supporter from ph🇵🇭
Seems like AMD is a lot more problematic than Intel is based on your fix or flop videos.
I remember when i attempted to rip out the gpu and even slinging the motherboard powering cable. Now, i know there are mechanisms and techniques to literally anything.
Same pare! Always watching the latest vids!
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@@robertJfontaine so u didnt watch the video? beacause it was not a amd problem. The front io was the problem
we need more people like this guy in the world. just a nice person who enjoys helping other people with their problems not needing a fortune in return.
Wow, that's a new one....
fo real
Life is like a broken PC. You never know what you'll get ... sometimes it surprises you with what gets broken and ends up needing to be changed 😄
@Greg Salazar Front I/O panel switches can cause these issues. You can usually replace the front i/o panel, time permitted. Carey Holzman has done several videos documenting these issues. Nice job, troubleshooting process spot on.
or literally replace all push buttons, considerably cheaper than a new case.
Since you're doing so much diagnostic work, I'd suggest you pull the power button from an old case and keep it handy, then after you've disconnected the front I/O (or you're booting outside of a case) you can stick that switch onto the motherboard and use it to turn it on and off rather than poking at it with a screw driver.
This was a brilliant find. I’ve been doing what you’re doing for 25 years and I’ve never seen anything like this! This would of drove me crazy! Great job Greg. I’m absolutely mind blown 🤯
omg, I have legit seen exactly this same problem before, a number of years ago with a cheaper/no-name brand case. It's so bloody dumb! Glad you got this one Greg! Keep up the excellent work! Love all of the current series that you've got going on, all good fun and entertaining!
Thank you, Greg for sharing your expertise and knowledge. I really enjoy your FoF series every single time as I learn a lot from you in my own line of work taking tips repairing PCs and laptops now since I've been jobless from May 2020. Although I don't have my own PC setup, your guidance has helped me venture into other people's systems and it's nice to experience this as it's like taking care of my own system.
Thank you for showing and teaching us all about fixing issues with builds!
Yep! This is definitely a new one for me to see!
A big part of why I subscribed for this series is to see all the possible problems that a PC can have, as well as to see the processes that someone can take in order to identify them. The IO connector going wrong is something I think I kind of conceptualised as potentially being a problem but never thought that I would actually see it.
This is one of my favorites of this series, wonderful problem solving, love seeing someone work through a problem like this and find the completely ridiculous result.
Just wanted to say I built my very first gaming pc and your videos helped a lot on what to look out for and troubleshooting. Please keep on making these videos soo helpful and entertaining.
Cheers for these videos. Really help with boosting my confidence when troubleshooting a build.
Love the sempiternal and vessels album arts btw! Nice music taste
This was so unexpected and your diagnosis was really very impressive! This is one issue I never would have thought about!
Another stellar video, Greg! Case was def not on my radar. Keep crushing it!
Nice work as always, I always love troubleshooting along and my bet was either PSU or mobo, shows you how simple some issues can be while being super hard/weird to detect
The reset switch is pretty much a redundant feature in cases these days. Which is why a lot of case manufacturers have repurposed it for LED control. I did see what appeared to be a dedicated LED button on the case so who knows for sure. Personally I would have just called the person, detailed the problem, and asked them if it would be ok to keep the reset switch unplugged. That way they get to keep the case they paid for, and the problem gets repaired for free. Another option would have been to see if you can find a replacement board for the front IO. Even then it would have been pennies on the dollar to fix.
Great job, Greg! This one was an interesting niche problem.
When you said it didn't work when front panel connectors were in I was like, probably gonna end up switching the case. I like trying to figure this stuff out with you
No words, excellent work Greg!
Great job, glad you were able to figure it out and help another deserving pc owner!!! You my friend are 🙌 😇!
Hey Greg. Love sll of your videos. I have actually ran into a situation like this before. The Front I/O would cause my pc to just restart randomly. Finally decided to upgrade cases after finding out it was the Front I/O. Glad you were able to figure this out!!
I definitely did not expect this one. Great work as always Greg!
Your videos are so educational it's crazy. Good job man.
I always look forward for new video of this series. I couldn't help but re-watch past episodes of this series.
I recently built a system in a Fractal Meshify-C case and every time I inserted a usb stick or a microphone/headphone connector into the front panel ports the system would shut down. I contacted Fractal and they immediately sent me a now front panel board. After installing the new board the same problem occurred. I finally determined the front panel itself flexes when performing the aforementioned actions and caused the power button to be depressed. I disabled the power button for shutdown within Windows settings and that solved my problem. Fractal might consider a less sensitive power button arrangement on the front panel. Just relaying this in case you or your viewers encounter the same issue. Cheers. 😀
Great job sir, learning a lot here!
Nice work as always, Greg! Never would have guessed it was the JFP1 connectors D:
I have seen this similar problems 2x since last 25yrs
one was a bad fpanel board on new case, and other
was a bad start switch after 2 yrs of pressing, it went bad.
first time i replaced the fpanel board,
and 2nd time i found a part# and replaced the switch
Nice work Salazar !!
So, “interesting” that this video involved replacing a case and the new case is the Corsair iCUE 220T RGB Airflow. Unfortunately, do to some rather horrible events two days ago, the computer I built one of my sons back in November needed a case replacement - the tempered glass was shattered. It was the Corsair iCUE 220T RGB Airflow. Well, yesterday I went to BestBuy as I knew they had that exact case in stock and bought a new one. THANKFULLY, all of the internal components still worked.
I was able to transfer everything from the broken case to the replacement. While there is not much room for cable management, I really have loved building in that case. Thanks to your videos, when I transferred everything to the replacement case, I paid extra attention to cable management.
When I originally built it, due to fan cord length, I put the upHere fan controller right in front of the motherboard. So you saw the ends of all of the fans come out from different holes into the fan controller. It was atrocious. This time, I was able to successfully hide it behind the power supply since it was too thick to stick to the back of the motherboard tray and close the lid.
The cords behind the motherboard tray are all neatly zip tied in three groups. Now, it did take me about four hours to carefully disassemble the computer from the broken case and put it in the new one. Glass got in the PSU, in the grate of the CPU cooler, in some fans… But now it’s tidier and I am much happier.
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5600G
Motherboard: ASUS ROG STRIX B450-F Gaming II
Cooler: Thermaltake UX200 RGB
Storage: WD BLACK SN750 500GB
RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance RGB PRO SL 2x16 3200MHz
PSU: CORSAIR CX-M CX650M
Case: CORSAIR iCUE 220T RGB Airflow
I would have never guessed the case. Another great video! Have a good weekend!
Thank you. This will come in handy. Another tool for the box.
These videos are the most interesting and entertaining videos I've seen in a while. Keep it up!
Nice one Greg always learning from your videos.......thanks
This was certainly a best CASE scenario. Good work and process.
Another great learning video Greg!
You helped me build my own pc 2 years ago now you help me fix everything with it. Thanks
Love this series, always a surprise in store!
i enjoy the fix or flop vids learned alot already just want them more often lol im hooked. rly enjoy all your vids and what you do keep up the amazing work Greg !
Been watching for a while now and can't get enough. Thanks Greg! Looking forward to your million subscriber mark!
Thanks to your videos, i've learned how to troubleshoot my lappy that went on BSOD. with your strategic approach, I found that I killed a ram stick for some reason. lucky me I have 2 sticks installed.
good work !❤️ i love this series it helps me a lot
I learn so much from this series. Awesome content 👍
Again!!! My favorite series is back!
Thanks Greg
I have seen where the switches are to blame (either the reset or power switch) but you are doing great with your trouble shooting! Always enjoy watching your vids. Keep up the great work!
I've been fixing problems for years and theres always something new to find or hear about.
That was very interesting! Thx for the video. 👍
keep up the good work greg. love this series
I've been working in computer service for 29 years and I've seen that issue very often. Usually either stuck reset or power button. It was quite common issue with cheaper cases. Also if you connect them to the mainboard always try to plug in those connectors with open tiny metal parts facing away from each other so that does not cause a short.
I am happy I subscribe to your channel a very long time ago. I learned a lot and at the same time entertained. You are awesome. Keep it up .
I never would have thought it would be the case. Good to know if I ever have similar issues in the future to look there
Would have maybe been better if you could have probed the connections at their end that goes into the MB? Could have at least gotten closer to the voltage/continuity the MB was getting. Otherwise great work man. Love the content.
Yes, it likely may have had the wrong wire connected to the MB connector and it shorting to the wrong wire?
This was my surmisal as well. My next step would have been to check the connectors. But I still enjoyed this video, and I enjoy the series a lot. I know who to call if I run into an issue I can't solve on my own.
Yep, I wish I had followed through and shown this in video! Will be doing this in the future.
@@GregSalazar What about the Chipset fan did it start working again as well? you weren't really clear about it in the video ?
Woo hoo! Great start to the weekend! Best series ever.
This was a new one for me. What a great video. would not have been something I would have guessed. Again, Love your videos and will Always watch, like and comment!
WoW! I never would have guessed that it was the switch! Great job my guy!
Regarding the Front I/O board troubleshooting: it's not just continuity across each switch that's important, but also continuity to other power or ground planes on the board/cable. I suspect while the switches do correctly switch on and off when pressed, one of the circuits is shorted to a source of power either in the I/O board or its cable.
ATX power supplies are always generating DC power when plugged into the wall. The always on low power (standy by) side of the PSU sends 5 volts to the 5VSB circuit in the 24 pin connector, as well as the "PS_ON" pin. When the motherboard connects that pin to ground ("pulling low"), then the high power side of the PSU activates and energizes the other power pins (+/- 12V, 3.3V, etc.) to turn the PC on. Once the connection from 5V to ground on the PS_ON pin goes away, the PSU shuts off the high power side. That interruption can happen from software so you get ATX soft power off, or it can happen from hardware with the reset switch.
What Greg could do to further investigate is find the pins on the I/O board (and its cable) that provide USB and LED power, and check for continuity to the reset switch. The reset switch should be isolated, with no errant power from any other circuits. For that matter, it shouldn't be shorted to any other ground pins either. Then a simple workaround could be to snip the offending circuit or the reset switch, giving the user back a mostly working case for free.
i have a computer with the same problem, was freaking hard to find out! nice episode.
That was painless to watch and fun. Thank you, Teacher.
learn a lot from your show, love it.
Great troubleshooting!! Def a new one on me
I would love to see a detailed cleaning video. I love what you do man. Thank you for all the videos
look at his PCDC playlist videos…
This actually happened to me a few years ago with a Corsair chassis.
In my case I figured the front IO was causing a short somehow. Also had to replace the case.
Hey. Im sorry if my english is bad but i just wanted to thank you Greg
Me and my friend were trying to fix a video and we bingewatched all fix or flop videos and we tried everything AND IT HELPED at the time we were hopeless it worked and i am still watching these because the videos are interesting and because of you you seem like a positive person and it just feels like actually doing it with you so THANK YOU GREG!!☺️
What a surprise, it really is a never ending journey. Good job!
The forced perspective at 4:08 is just amazing lol I thought this case was MASSIVE. To be fair it's a pretty tall boy already
Another video, another lesson! Thank you!
Great job Greg ! Persistence saves the day !
great diagnosis
23 years as a system builder and this is a first for me...my money was on the fan controller...nice video
Hi Greg, i really like your videos, there is always something new to learn from your fixes, there is however a small detail i noticed, and that's the 3 remaining fans for the top and back since it was missing in the end of the video, did you eventually placed them in off camera?
I love these videos. Good components can go long way usually Corsair is good brand case you gave him or her. I'm still rockin old case from Corsiar with 2600k cpu 2nd gen. Love the videos Greg
Thankyou! I have a 12 year old Case and have been having issues with Power Button ... Happy I have Power and Rest on the Motherboard!
It's pretty cool how this series isn't getting a whole lot of the same issues with the majority of the systems. It lets us see a bunch of different issues that can happen. Really cool
I ALWAYS have an exhaust fan in the back to pull warm air out of the case. Just helps with the airflow thru the system. But that was a really interesting diagnostic video.
in my 20+ years in the field and being an enthusiast iv never seen that before lol. was a very good watch, iv been here basically the whole time n iv seen all your vids over the years n i think they are getting better. keep it up 😉 -edit i know im late, i work 3rd shift now and i always catch your vids the following morning as im eastern time as well.
Very unusual cause! Very good pin pointing of what was🧐🧐 causing the issue!
I enjoyed the video, I've seen a lot of strange causes over the years but never the front i/o. I'm impressed by the signed Scorpions Blackout album on the wall behind you. I never got a chance to see them live. I hope you did.
Great way to finish the week with a "Fix or Flop" episode
Awesome fix. 👍
Greg tested the continuity of the traces on the board and everything worked out fine but I believe if he tested the continuity at the connectors it might tell him if the wires are touching something that they shouldn't be touching or one wire might be touching a neighboring wire that's always getting power causing it to short.
Why not just order a new switch instead of swapping the whole case.
@@craigdowler5051 it's hard buy just a switch. The fastest and easiest way to get a new switch board is to buy a new but same case, swap the board and cables, then return it as DEAD ON ARRIVAL
If you do research you can get the parts
Thought the same. Maybe the cable is the problem and not the board. Would be nice to him test the cable just out of curiosity.
@@discsv Read the pinned comment. He found a short eventually on the cable.
Back in the early days of SATA cables I built a new PC and it would not post. So I did what you do and disconnect everything and slowly introduce one item at a time. For me the culprit was a new SATA cable that came with the motherboard. Replaced it and everything ran perfectly. I will admit to some very anxious moments of frustration and anger but I learnt lots from this experience.
I learn so much from these videos! If it wasn't for one of your videos where you fixed a clogged aio, I would have been lost on why my cpu was having higher temperatures than normal.
Thanks for all you do Greg!
Thanks so much for watching!
You should measure for continuity at the mobo connector cable end because it's more likely a pinched wire looping the connection than the switch itself or bare portion grounding it.
I love your content, continue your amazing work!
Thanks so much for the support!
I have seen a case reset switch cause a similar problem one time and one time only. That is one for the books and a very well done job of diagnosis Greg! And look at the additional bright side, you did not have to clean out the original case!
Gregg you could have just ordered a new front panel Io from the case manufacturer if it still in warranty or it's a just a few dollars or buy one switch in Amazon $5.00 and not have to take everything out of the case and put in the new case I had to di that I got big Corsair 1000d case only have a power reset no power and 175r have no hdd leds wires?
I've had several instances of those mini tactile switches causing issues. The best way to test them is with the ohm setting on your meter. If they measure a meg ohm or less in the open position, that switch is bad. Using contact cleaner can sometimes get you going with out replacing the switch for a short while but most of the time the problem will return.
You might even have to measure switch with it installed. They way front panels are made, it could be pressing on the switch just enough for the symptom to show up but not enough to actuate the switch.
Another good one. Sure love this playlist. Always learning. As you mentioned, didn't see that one coming. On another note. Let's see how long it takes before I get hit with some sort of spam reply. Those are so freaking annoying
wow, very interesting as always, who would have thought.
I just had my first pc troubleshooting scare and if I hadn’t found your channel a couple of months ago I woulda been screwed. All i had to do was clear cmos :)
Glad you figured it out, Greg. As to your comment about it being weird for the SSD/drive to not allow the PC to post, one time I added an external Wester Digital 2TB hard drive to my PC. All worked great for a few months and one day, my PC wouldn't work. It turned out, disconnecting that external drive allowed my PC to work again. Why this happened, especially when it originally worked, I'll never know. LOL!
I had this same problem, a dead 2TB drive prevented system from posting. It did post when put into another system, however I was unsuccessful when wiping the drive (there was no important data on it).
I had a dram light on my motherboard and because of this series I was able to fix the issue on my own! Without this series I wouldn’t know what to do!
If you want to fix that front IO board, try reflowing the solder of the pins on the switches, and check continuity on the wiring for the harness, too. You may have a broken switch pin, or wire in teh harness, as well. Those would be some simple things to try. Usually this kind of thing just turns out to be a cold solder joint.
HA! Had the same thing happen to me once. Wonderful two days of troubleshooting... I simply didn't reconnect the reset button though, can't remember the last time I used one of those anyway.
please mooooooooooooooore of this series i love it
Hello Greg! great video as per usual! Slight issue, you showed us the clip of the rig posting (5:30) before showing disconnecting all non vital parts (8:15) , which got me a bit confused, as it's the same clip :p