Is there a new 12v King?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2024
- For a long time, Milwaukee's M12 has been the undisputed king of the 12v arena. With competitive tools in just about every segment, it's not surprise. But DeWALT updated their 12v lineup a few years ago and continue to expand it. In this video we examine the 12v hammer drill offerings and look to see who is the current king. But even if DeWALT wins... will it stay that way with next months Gen 3 Hammer Drill release from Milwaukee?
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I just picked up the Milwaukee M12 impact driver hammer & drill combo from Home Depot. It came with the bag the charger and two batteries. Plus they were running a promo so I got a third battery and the whole shebang was $179 delivered to my door. Now for me although I have a full shop at my house, I’m mostly tinkering around as a DIY Guy. With that said, every now and again I do some pretty big projects on cars motorcycles etc. and I’ve never had any issues with the Milwaukee. I think at this point between Milwaukee, DeWalt, Rigid I guess you could throw Makita in the mix, ( and then of course Ryobi which always gets a bad rap. Lol) if you’re a DIY person I think it just comes down to personal preference. This is just my opinion. Stay safe out there😉
It's gotten to the point that most of the major brands have pretty decent offerings. While my preference is more on the Milwaukee or Dewalt side of things I know for a fact you still get the job done quite well without spending on top tier tools.
Just subbed. Great video. Great use of the tools in real life scenarios with real fasteners and bits. At the end of the day, both drills are so amazing work for what they are. You can’t really go wrong with either one.
Thanks! And I agree both are great tools.
Using a Milwaukee M12 4 amp or 6 amp battery will yield better test results for the M12 Fuel Hammer Drill! I would never run my M12 Hammer Drill with a 2 amp battery, especially for more extreme tests!
While I agree with you it would yield better results, it would in the case of DEWALT as well. I would go as far as to predict the DEWALT would still win.
When it comes kitted the two amp hour batteries it’s for the impact not for the drill you really dropped the ball on that one just being honest.
@@steffendetrick9403 I noticed that he is comparing it to the old plastic chuck milwaukee drill instead of the new metal chuck with the red ring on it
@@JesusPerez-yc6yu The Dewalt has a plastic chuck.
By the way, the gen 2 m12 has a metal chuck.
The Dewalt 12v extreme tools have some serious power for their size.
M12 have been known to overheat when pushed hard.
I freekin love my little 12v extreme tools
I see the advantages in both the on-battery level meter, and the on-tool level meter. If your just checking batteries laying around, then the on-battery meter is better, but I also like the display on the tool because you can constantly monitor the battery level while the tool is in-use.
I would prefer it on battery just because I can satisfy both needs if that’s where it is. I get why they don’t have it but just one of those litttle gripes I guess.
So I'm very curious to see what power comes from the new 12v batteries high output 2.5 ah & 5ah . When I put a m12 6ah battery it was way stronger then the cp 2.0 batteries .
I’m excited to see what they can do. I don’t mind the form factor of the bigger M12 batteries on certain tools but there are others where I like the smaller packs. So if the HO 2.5 can deliver more juice it could be the best of both worlds for me.
Do one with the new gen 3. I am very curious to see which one is better. The 12v extreme has set a high bar..
It’s in the works. The new M12 is highly impressive.
also use the tools with their highest amp battery not lowest. they are designed to do that heavy load work with the high amps in mind. not the lowest
Hi! Now with the new generation of Milwaukee in hand, do you intend to retake the tests?
Yes. That’s the plan.
@@TinkerWithTools Thanks 🤩
so that M12 that's in brand new condition has been on the job you say?
Compare those with their best batteries to get their best performance.
i have the milwaukee m12 tools, but the only ones that actually make sense to go to 12v. I like my makita subcompact drill and its so much more comfortable than the m12
I don’t have the makita sub compact but I have another sub compact that I am going to feature in a future video against 12v. It used to be you went to 12v for size but the sun compacts are small enough it’s not as big of argument now.
12v is designed for compact in my opinion. Dewalt missed the boat. Bosch brushless and M12 are in my bag. Also, what battery size are you running on the M12. Appreciate the videos! Looking forward to next one.
This was an older video but if I remember correctly I ran this with a 2 ah battery on both. I have newer videos that compare the new Gen 3 hammer drill to the DEWALT Hammer drill. Those are both run on larger batteries in that video.
Wrong battery inside the M12, IMO. Plus, the 3/8" chuck is a no-go for me......
Keep doing the good work, you’re getting better with every video.
Just more editing, less talk on cam, you can do that in the background and show more action
Thanks for the feed back.
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I have the updated m12 drill and impact driver. The drill is far more powerful than my 12v Dewalt at work and my CXT Makita at home. But it is much less comfortable. I usually reach for my Makita first. If I need more power I pick up my 18v drills.
Thanks for sharing! Yeah the new generation really was a step up for Milwaukee.
@@TinkerWithTools In terms of performance, the m12 line is very hard to beat. The metal chuck and transmission housing on the drill is top notch. Same with the power.
The DCD706 has a metal chuck in some european countries at least, while the m12 has a different metal chuck than the one you have. Still the same sizes for them though, just something to note.
I appreciate the input. I don’t understand why it wouldn’t just be the same everywhere but I guess they have their reasons.
That's the old milwaukee drill. It has a plastic chuck. The new one has a metal chuck with a red ring.
@@JesusPerez-yc6yu this Milwaukee is the old one but it too has an all metal Chuck. The video released before the Gen 3 M12 came out.
@@TinkerWithTools I thought maybe he was confusing the m12 gen 2 and 3. Can't wait to see the new gen 3 vid. See how much more stronger it's got. I've seen vids of the new HO battery nd they made almost no difference
@@JesusPerez-yc6yu wait no further. th-cam.com/video/Rc9JWKdBxo4/w-d-xo.html
Nice shootout, Dewalt FTW in performance here and in ergonomics everywhere. I have the M12 Fuel hammer drill, it's pretty good , really got it (on deep clearance) to pair with the M12 Fuel Surge, which is my fav 12v impact. I do like the metal chuck and the durable feel on the M12, though.
It feels more stout and surprisingly is only a couple ounces heavier than the DEWALT. The surge is awesome though.
Not to sound like a Milwaukee fanboy, but I do wonder whether the grip on the M12 line is purposely designed to give max control for most hand sizes or at the mercy of all stem-type batteries. I love the grip of Dewalt and Makita, but does a more comfortable grip always mean better control. As you said, 12volts tools are becoming more powerful, thus requiring two-handed operation like some of the side-handles you see in the 18v line. I gave myself a black eye when drilling a large bit into steel and it locked up and smacked the handle into my face. Before Milwaukee launched the M12 line leading to a multi-million dollar, long-term commitment to battery size, you got to think they must have asked the question, " dude, is the handle too thick"? So the question is, if not really bracing for it and you get a wrist-breaker, would a thicker tool handle give the user a little more control? Think of a thicker rubber padded screwdriver vs. those old Stanleys with just a small hard handle.
I don't know that more control is necessarily why the DEWALT grip gets praise but more so the comfort of using it.
The DeWalt is stronger just don’t have as many tools.My nephew use DeWalt and we’ve tested them soon as he got them. The impact is stronger as well not as fast but max them and DeWalt wins and we tried different batteries 2, and 4 amh
Yeah it wasn’t that close even. But I’m excited for the next Gen Milwaukee. Good tools push other companies to improve. Hopefully DEWALT keeps pushing Milwaukee so everyone wins. Having options is good for everyone.
Well as a Contractor, Carpenter/Deck Builder/Framer, Electrician and Plumber and Welder I'm not Loyal to any Brand. I buy and use whatever I need to get or whatever I have around. Although I'm not a fan of Milwaukee and I never like it anyway there's nothing bad about their M12 lines my friends love em' and they also invested of Milwaukee M18 Lines as well while I'm a DeWalt and Bosch user when it comes to 12V system I got DeWalt DCF801 Impact Driver, DCF601 Screw Driver and DCD701 Drill Driver, for Bosch I got PS42-2A Impact Driver and GSR12V-300N Drill Driver and GSR12V-300HBX Screw driver all of them are 12V systems. The rest of my Cordless and Corded tools are DeWalt, Makita, Hitachi, Craftsman and Ryobi. Sometimes there's a tool brand that is so bad and ugly when it comes to Cordless tools but great on Corded tools, there's also tool brand that sucks on corded tools but top notch on cordless tools.
Hey! Believe it or not even though I have a lot of top notch Corded and Cordless tools, I also do own and use Cheap ass Harbor Freight tools as well the Hercules Brand 20V Lines.
I am fan of a lot of different brands. If I only could pick one I would probably settle on a Milwaukee or DEWALT but there are enough great tools out there I think you are shorting yourself if you only go with one.
@@TinkerWithTools no. They're not perfect all of them got ups and downs that's why I don't settle with just 1 tool brand. But if there's gonna be a Shit Hits The Fan and if I would only be allowed to carry few Tools I would choose Flex 24V over the Milwaukee and DeWalt
Everybody sleeps on the DeWalt 12V Extreme line. Everyone I've tried is fantastic, and much, much more ergonomic than an equivalent Milwaukee. Not to mention, cheaper. They're always on a promo of some sort.
They are right there at the top.
@@TinkerWithTools Definitely. Since I've added a few of the extreme line, I rarely need to pull out the big muscle (MHPT 36v) lol. My favorite overall has to be the little DCF601 Screwdriver. That thing is clutch.
I am a Dewalt and Makita guy. However the appeal of my Milwaukee 12 v is the form factor. The barrel handle and small battery shape of the Milwaukee is very appealing for small jobs. I know Bosch has same 12v form factor but their performance is not as good as Milwaukee. Dewalt 12v form factor with that bulky right angle battery is a non starter.
12v? Compact? Light? You guys are cute, im running Makitas 7,2v series. Now thats small and compact! Get with the times boys!
And yes im joking. Mostly. I do actually have those 7,2v that I use suprisingly often in place of 12v. 18v only comes out when doing construction or really stubborn mechanical work, which isnt all that often. But for reference, ive built computers, repaired hvac, changed engine oil, swapped stator and regulator on a mc among many other things exclusively with 7,2v tools. I have no idea why these doesnt seem to be a thing in the vest but in Asia they seem to be really popular going for 20 years or so now.
Its just a bit funny how i started out buying the most powerful tools because i thought i would limit myself, yes I findmyself "downsizing" for more precise, refined and gentle tools over and over
Yeah they don’t have those where I am. 12v is the smallest. Makita has 12v tools but they are older and less powerful than both Milwaukee and DEWALT here.
@@TinkerWithTools I see, I have seen people in the states getting them. If youre interested you could check out DF012DSJ and TD022DSJ which are the screwdriver and impact respectively. I dont know if they go by other model names there like Milwaukee does, but they are really nice.
Speaking of which, really looking forward to seeing you test those new Milwaukee 12v tools that you mentioned, hoping you wait for the new batteries as well. Good times ahead!
Maybe you should compare the gen 3 Milwaukee to actually make it fair.
This was released before the Gen 3 had shipped. There is another video as a follow up where the DEWALT squares off against the Gen 3.
@@TinkerWithTools I’ll look for it.
how was the tacobell ? 🤣
Delicious as always!
dewalt is interesting.
The halde seem shorter on dewalt and my hands dont fit i have bigs hands and the m12 feel better to me
That grip on the M12 works for some people while others hate it. Glad it works for you!
You got the wrong battery 🪫 for the Milwaukee. Bad review
Saying I have the wrong battery would imply this battery doesn’t work. It may not be the best battery but it did make for an apples to apples test with the DEWALT.
@@TinkerWithTools that wasn’t a fair review, anybody would tell you that
@@TinkerWithTools at the end of the day, you like what u like 👍🏿
I guess I don’t understand how it wasn’t a fair review. I assume you mean on a higher capacity Milwaukee battery the Milwaukee would run better. I know this to be true. But by that same logic wouldn’t the DEWALT run better as well on a higher capacity battery? So at the end of the running both on a 2 ah battery was fair in my opinion.
I understand that some people prefer to run the tools on a high ah battery but they do in fact sell it with the 2 ah as well. There are also people out there that like to use the smaller battery. This won’t be the only test you see with these tools on the channel but you have to start somewhere.
the rubber/plastic chucks dewalt is doing now feel so cheap and gross.
NOT FAILED 4AH BATTERY I DONT KNOW WHY YOU INSIST ON GIVING THESE TOOLS THE SMALLEST BATTERY POSSIBLE 4 OR 6 NIGHT AND DAY MAN........... MAKES ME NOT EVEN WANNA WATCH THIS IS A DRILL BROTHER I DONT WANNA SOUND LIKE A NAG BUT WEVE BEEN THROUGH THIS WITH THE M18
Sorry it makes you angry. The 2 ah is sold in kits with this tool and both tools were running on the same battery. I’m sure the results will change on bigger batteries but I am guessing the DEWALT would still win. This won’t be the only test I run on these tools but everything has to start somewhere.
You don’t want to watch, because he conducted a fair test pitting the tools against each other using the 2ah batteries that came in the kit? Why do Milwaukee fans get all in their feelings when their tool loses? This test couldn’t have been any more unbiased.
I’m with you Branden! With regards to the M18 testing, testers always want to run the 5 amp battery, vs an HO battery, e.g. 3, 6 or 8.
@@martylucas8557 and there doing timed test if they were just making holes fine but to time and declare a winner 🏆 naw I watched two different videos where the Milwaukee beat the dewalt..... its his channel he can do as he likes but when I hear the drill struggle and getting dropped to 1st so fast its like how bad did you want the dewalt to win lmao 🤣 I have all brands really don't care who wins both good tools Milwaukee is built better in my opinion... you can't just go off one person's test there will be inconsistencies in wood how hard you push so many variables the 2ah batteries kill me tho id never put a tool through a gauntlet with a 2.0 its dropping two bars after two lags.... let em shine put the 6.0 and the 5.0 and show what these little powerhouses can do..
@@TacticalThib I watch pretty much all the tool channels and know M12 has won their fair share as well. And most videos boil down to Milwaukee stronger, DeWalt better ergos and more comfortable. The fact remains is that he conducted the test his way, and those were his results. Most normal folks will take it with a grain of salt. Watch some other videos. Then make their own opinion. Not go ALL CAPS and accuse him of dishonesty. As stated, there are plenty of other 12v videos out there with the result you want.
no the M12 is at an angle by design not bc of the battery. literally just look at it bro. the info your spitting is so wrong and not even opinion based so I can literally say you are wrong about these two things