Quick correction- the Gigabyte B650I has no SATA data ports on the board itself- if you mount the riser card you get four ports- two ports on the top of the card and two ports on the side of the card.
Thanks for the roundup. Could you better summarize the POST times (without windows boot)? Because this info is usually ignored by reviewers and you at least hint... When I was deciding on the board, only AsRock and Asus were available. I went with AsRock first, because of absence of VRM fan and presence of LVDS out for some fun with case mounted LCD. That never happened though, as was given all kinds of hell with it. 36second delay before windows starts booting with memory context restore on a 2DIMM board was a no go for me. Wake-up from sleep was also very slow after dialing in the specified DDR6000 speed (memory was listed in QVL as fully compatible). So I went hunting for a better BIOS, updated to newest one to get even slower boot. Wanted to try other BIOS, revert to original, but the BIOS update failed everytime from that time on. AsRock support was completely nonhelpful with generic recommendations I tried already. Back it went, bought with Asus instead: 15sec boot, MUCH better BIOS, and for anyone interested the VRM fan never kicked in with my 7600X.
you know M&M, I have an AM4 ITX build and was considering upgrades to AM5, and was dismayed by my options. I bought a 5800X3D instead and kept my AM4 Gigabyte Aorus pro AX. too much cash to jump to AM5 ITX for the features I wanted, and the weird daughter boards etc... PCIE 5 etc. Good on you for digging through this puzzle!
The ASUS ROG Strix B650E-I is the best ITX board for Ryzen 7000, Amazing price, great board and really really good for the Big Shuriken 3 Rev B cooler! I own both and have zero complaints.
with the new motherboards coming out, I am looking to upgrade to AM5 on my NR200. I will never buy a motherboard with an active fan on it ever again though, the one I currently have on my asus AM4 board is so fricking loud -.- Can you recommend a board without fan for the nr200+AM5?
I went through an Asrock b650i lightning that just died on me after 3 weeks, and now a brand new gigabyte b650i aorus that refuses to post no matter what…. Returning all this crap and going back to Am4 itx 😡
I've been saying since they made the DTX board ..... It should become a staple form factor. I originally got the Gigabyte B650i Ultra board when I went to Micro Center a few weeks ago because of the bundle deal they had at the time. After banging my head against the wall for hours due to the breakout cables & the board refusing to post. I returned it to MC & they had a better deal but it was for a Asus B650E-F ATX board. I still had my old 011 mini so I was like at least I can get up & running for now. However I plan to mod my NR200 to fit a mATX motherboard & I'm going to pick up the best board I can find to fit my needs.
Thank you for these reviews, I've been waiting to buy my mobo until I saw your roundup. Think I'm gonna go with the Asus B650e-i after all, but I'm glad I waited. Cheers mate!
The Asus B650E does have an external Clear CMOS Button. It's located in the I/O area, lower left corner. See at 3:42 for example. In sum of all features definitely the best AM 5 ITX Board.
I had the B650E-i from ASUS and I had never ending stability issues. Updated BIOS whenever a new revision was available, ran memory stock but still experienced BSODS. To rub salt into the wound, it also had awful coilwhine. I might have gotten really unlucky with the batch of ASUS boards when I ordered mine, but as soon as I switched to the MSI b650, everything just worked. No BSODS, no coilwhine, no stability issues. Feature wise, it lags behind the ASUS board, both in terms of IO and in placement of headers on the motherboard, but I'll happily trade that for a board that just works.
I also had annoying coilwhine with my ASUS board, switched to the MSI myself and also had no coilwhine. After having an ASUS RTX 3070 dual which also had horrible coilwhine I am starting to think buying ASUS isn't it.
Thanks, these videos have been super helpful. Hopefully your affiliate links are still working, I’ve tried to buy everything I could through your vid links to show my appreciation. I’m purchasing parts for my first ITX build. Would you still recommend the MSI mobo? It’s currently up to $270+… yikes
YO M&M!!!...The Gigabyte B650i has (4) SATA 6 ports on the add on card Msi B650i - (2) M.2 & (4) SATA ports Ggiabyte B650I - (3) M.2 & (4) SATA ports (one of three M.2 ports are pci-e 5.0) Max memory capacity for MSI B650I & Gigabyte B650i - 96Gb Gigabyte backplate is NANOCARBON (excellent heat absorption & heat transfer properties). That backplate uses that speacial plastic, LMAO! Anyhoot, I like it (thumb up!). However, I do wish it had a clear CMOS button on the rear IO (thumb down) MSI B650i - $299 Gigabyte B650i - $259 It was very easy for me to buy Gigabyte over the others because powerful vrm & (3) M.2s with 5.0/4.0/4.0 pci-e) & (4) SATA ports I can forgive Gigabyte for the dongles & no debug led indicator 4 months & running...no regrets buying the Gigabyte B650i (double thumbs up w/smiley face!!!)
I was debating between MSI B650 and ASRock B650I LIGHTNING WIFI for 7800x3d. Many report strong fan noise on MSI board and loud coil vine. Not sure about this AsRock board. Seems ok at 200$ price tag. Would appreciate some input
There's a pretty big price difference there. For the Asrock, I'd go for the A620 if you're not going to overclock and save $60, it's identical except for chipset. For the MSI, I'd spend the extra little bit for the B650E-I.
Am I the only one who thinks Asus is on the right track with having debug LED's on the outside? Where it's actually visible and therefore useable? What's the use if it's on the board and you can't see it because it's crammed inside an ITX case. Would you prefer to open up your ITX case just to look at your debug LED's? I like the Hive setup specifically because of this. I'm building inside the meshroom case so I think it'd be nice to have the volume, extra inputs, Debug LEDs etc. all at my fingertips. No BOO! Don't innovate, charge more money for the same board as last time.
OT, but there've been many cases of ROG B550i + RTX40x0 causing stability issues on reddit sffpc. The issue been around for almost half year and with the lastest July BIOS update the problem still persists. Would you be interested looking into this issue, thanks!
I have no problems at all with my Asus B650E-I, awesome board, no coil whine, RAM with EXPO stable at DDR5-6000 CL 30, built 04/2023. Just make sure you have the latest BIOS installed.
Same experience, although the first one Amazon sent me was bad. The replacement is perfect, so stable and no problems with DDR5-6000. Built 8/24, I always flash the BIOSes on MBs to latest with Flashback first thing after removing from the box.
Just get the Asus B650E-I if you can afford it. I did for a secondary system and it's awesome. Runs amazing with a 7800X3D and 7900XT, super stable and excellent sound section. MediaTek MT7922 / AMD RZ616 Wi-Fi, which I actually prefer over the Intel AX210 / Killer AX1675 (I get slightly better speedtest speeds and no more stability issues than the Intels, which is to say zero), no goofy daughterboards or external pods like some of the ITX boards. And it doesn't run hot in a Sugo 14 mini ITX case with only the rear exhaust fan (the case supports HUGE air coolers and has a Phantom Spirit SE so that's surely a factor vs cases that require a slim heatsink/fan). For full disclosure, the first one I got was bad. Amazon exchanged it without issue and the 2nd one is beyond perfect. Given that most people put one SSD and one GPU in their system, MATX and ITX are just fine for 99% of people - too bad they charge a premium for ITX (the B650E-I was $40 than my B650E-F, which is the full-size version) and all the MATX boards are low end. My next main system (way in the future) will probably be ITX after this build.
do you have any plans of reviewing the meshroom from ssupd? I've been looking forward to getting the meshlicious but I can't seem to get any black ones with a riser cable for msrp
Your Ryzen 7000 ITX-motherboard series is great! Super helpful. I just came across a new B650 ITX mobo from Asrock (Asrock B650I Lightning WIFI), cheaper then the msi, asus and Asrock PG. If you are able to put that in a new video?
I still use the CH8 Impact mDTX board and love the form factor so much. I can't see myself upgrading from it until end of AM5 or mid-cycle AM6. I hope Asus can pull off another AMD mDTX board in the future. That said, great details and coverage of the current set of ITX AM5 boards.
Have Gigabyte sorted their backdoor issues? Also is it possible to do a video for m-atx focused on those with gen5 for GPUs? Gen5 for storage as a consumer doesn’t really makes a difference vs gen4, but having a motherboard with gen5 GPU support would be nice since I tend to use the board for 3-4 years. Rumors suggest we get gen5 GPUs in 2024.
I've been looking forward to this round up and thank you for providing. Nice to get the clarity on features that make a difference. I'd love to hear your thoughts on these boards in context to Zen5 cpus. Do you think there's anything to seperate them regarding these future cpus and possible faster DDR5 memory?
I would love to see a review series on z690i and z790i intel motherboards too. So far I've been having a miserable time with ASUS's try on these chipsets on ITX. z690i produces WHEA PCIe hardware errors while the z790i has a dead memory channel. Meanwhile MSI z790i works flawlessly.
Love this summary, great video! I grabbed the MSI for $239 back when it was on sale when the 7800x3d launched, which I grabbed as well. It’s been solid other than issues with RAM at 6000, but 5800 has been good. Glad I decided to go with it as it was the cheapest option at the time and I was pretty surprised to see the price climb up the way it did.
Thanks for this. i am planning on a new personal SFF computer later this year. i had already thought the MSI was the best board for me and this excellent review just confirms this. My last couple of builds (both SFF for family members) were done with MSI mobos and they have worked well with a good bios as well. i wish the board manufacturers could figure how to put the audio plug in a different spot. With chunkier GPU's, trying to plug the video card in, that damn wire always gets in the way for me. Its likely not a big deal if you use a riser cable. my biggest question is which case to use but at the end of the day i am still leaning to using the NR200P. i just have to have a glass panel to look inside especially with the case sitting on my desk and see my work. Plus i want to air cool it. I am not a huge gamer or productivity user but i just like a nice setup to look at (yeah i like some RGB accents too). My last build was in the NR200P with a Noctua air cooler and it went very well thanks to your very helpful videos on building in the case and how to set up the air cooling for optimal results.
I'm building an SFF PC for a friend and thanks to your round-up, I've learned that the Strix B650E-I exists. Asus website is messed up and filtering for AM5 Mini-ITX boards does *not* show it, and it's not included on Techspot's otherwise very informative round-up despite it being just 2 weeks old at the time of writing this comment. 70A power delivery aside, it seems strictly better than both the Strix X670E-I and Gigabyte B650I Aorus Ultra - way better layout, no daughterboards, no add-on devices, and no oversized M.2 heatsink. Great video.
hello :> could you please recommend some better value kits for the b650i edge? think of somethink similar to the micron e-die during the early am4 era :> prefererably low profile if possible
All 5 ITX board only Gigabyte's B650I have DisplayPort built in. I wonder why other brand remove DisplayPort, but there in more old AM4 ITX MB have DisplayPort.
I have a whole bunch of components for my next mini-itx build (NR200P, Cooler Master V750 SFX, SN850X, ...) waiting for my next build. I am just missing the Motherboard/cpu/ram combo... The B650 looks fine but it is very expensive. I am hesitating between a GIGABYTE B550I AORUS Pro AX and a B760 solution like a ASUS ROG Strix B760-I. As Machine&More is my "Bible" when building a mini-ITX configuration, I am wondering why there are no reviews about mini-itx motherboards for Intel 12th and 13th generations? Any consideration not to go with a B760 solution (or even a B660) and keep the older and solid B550 solution?
I like you and the way you think. But the format of the way you present your findings in this video make it extremely circuitous. I wish there were more graphics and data to go along with what you were talking about.
MSI B650i have BSOD and BIOS issues when having the EXPO. What is your bios configuration with regards to the expo for each board to be able to run stable and have faster boot time?
I think it may have to do with the speed of the kits (even though the profiles may be tested, they are still technically OC with regard to the CPU). With mine I stuck to 5200mhz kits at most.
I just send my MSI B650i back right after I purchased it. The audio jack had a terrible distortion noise depending on the CPU load, especially in CS2 just so awful. I think this is just a rare failure but at least a think to look out for when testing your system
I recently built in the NR200P MAX at the weekend, I have a 12th gen i9 so i went with the MSI B760i Edge WiFi DDR5, i'm not overclocking the cpu, the motherboard has been great I have it pared with 64GB DDR5 6400Mhz Corsair Dominator RAM and a Zotac 3080, also I have 2 black 120mm slim arctic fans at the bottom of the case as intake, when i'm not using the PC i have the glass side panel on for show and when I'm using the PC I put the vented panel on, it's a great case for my small space, I have another build with a 13th gen i9 and a zotac 4090 Trinity, I even thought about putting that gpu in but it might be too big! i'm using the NR200P MAX build as a streaming PC. Great channel btw I love the content it's very chill.
is there a Mini-ITX case that i can use standard sized power supply, i just don't want to purchased a new Small sized Power Supply snice i spend $250.00 DeepCool PG-1200 Watts when is was newly released... give me at least 3 Mini-ITX Case recommendation's... Thank you
Very good review,,,I don't think i'll ever go any itx, but so good to know what's on offer at this time,,,for me ATX only,,,keep up with good job MM!!! Greetings from Kosovo!
the msi one is cheaper in my country by around 60 usd compared to asus and gigabyte. looks like i found a winner. thank you so much for the in-depth reviews
Just purchased the MSI board for $241 missed the $231 price from Amazon during Black Friday, but they’ve been slowly increasing the price which it is now $251. So $241 isn’t terrible, but the video helped put peace of mind knowing some of the pros and cons.
Why the msi B650i is so expensive in teh US?? In central EU its around 220~230€ since the beginning... bad luck i guess, very happy with mine as a ITX first timer!
Hey M&M, thanks for this comprehensive summary. Which ITX board is better for AM5 futureproofing?Is the B-650E-I Strix enough for Ryzen 8000 or 9000 cpus? Or Better to go with X670e Strix-1 or go higher with Crosshair Gene though that is matx?Thanks
You know, it’s hard to say but I would anticipate power delivery to be sufficient. Given some of the hiccups with even just the X3D chips, anything could happen with next gen, but I don’t think AMD wants to release a new CPU and have nobody buy it because their boards can’t run. They’re already facing a tough market with Ryzen 7000.
But Intel 13th generation is very difficult to cool in SFF form factor and not everybody wants liquid cooling in a portable computer. If you are targeting i5 13500 or below then yeah Intel is better in both value and performance.However you need to be very lucky in the silicon lottery to be able to undervolt a 13600k so that it runs below 150W which is the maximum 67mm air coolers like the Thermalright AXP120-X67 or ID-Cooling IS-67-XT can handle. Otherwise you are leaving performance on the table. An i7 13700K is out of question without liquid cooling.
@@gencoserpen1260 If you desperately need that type of CPU performance on air, I'd recommend buying a slightly bigger Micro ATX computer instead. It just doesn't make sense to take that huge motherboard (cost) hit for slightly better cpu performance on such a small build. Mini Itx with no water cooling = Light to Light-Mid CPU always
Quick correction- the Gigabyte B650I has no SATA data ports on the board itself- if you mount the riser card you get four ports- two ports on the top of the card and two ports on the side of the card.
Thanks for the roundup. Could you better summarize the POST times (without windows boot)? Because this info is usually ignored by reviewers and you at least hint...
When I was deciding on the board, only AsRock and Asus were available. I went with AsRock first, because of absence of VRM fan and presence of LVDS out for some fun with case mounted LCD. That never happened though, as was given all kinds of hell with it. 36second delay before windows starts booting with memory context restore on a 2DIMM board was a no go for me. Wake-up from sleep was also very slow after dialing in the specified DDR6000 speed (memory was listed in QVL as fully compatible). So I went hunting for a better BIOS, updated to newest one to get even slower boot. Wanted to try other BIOS, revert to original, but the BIOS update failed everytime from that time on. AsRock support was completely nonhelpful with generic recommendations I tried already. Back it went, bought with Asus instead: 15sec boot, MUCH better BIOS, and for anyone interested the VRM fan never kicked in with my 7600X.
hey, could you do a video or let me know which ITX board can work with the IS-55 cooler, with the heatsink covering over the VRM/I/O plate?
@MachinesMore
Please include asrock b620 itx mobo.
@@nikextracool or the new B650i AX
@@nikextracoolDo you mean the A620M?
These itx boards should be priced around $185 - $225.
Take advantage of the "niche" market of users who like SFF builds. Price gouging scumbags lol
This video was 100% what I was looking for 😁
Was trying to sort through all the noise when I came across it
been looking for this for months , closer to a year
you know M&M, I have an AM4 ITX build and was considering upgrades to AM5, and was dismayed by my options. I bought a 5800X3D instead and kept my AM4 Gigabyte Aorus pro AX. too much cash to jump to AM5 ITX for the features I wanted, and the weird daughter boards etc... PCIE 5 etc. Good on you for digging through this puzzle!
Pcei5 does nothing for you
Bro what audio driver you install and where to find them?
The ASUS ROG Strix B650E-I is the best ITX board for Ryzen 7000, Amazing price, great board and really really good for the Big Shuriken 3 Rev B cooler! I own both and have zero complaints.
Best board, but terrible price.
with the new motherboards coming out, I am looking to upgrade to AM5 on my NR200.
I will never buy a motherboard with an active fan on it ever again though, the one I currently have on my asus AM4 board is so fricking loud -.-
Can you recommend a board without fan for the nr200+AM5?
I went through an Asrock b650i lightning that just died on me after 3 weeks, and now a brand new gigabyte b650i aorus that refuses to post no matter what…. Returning all this crap and going back to Am4 itx 😡
I've been saying since they made the DTX board ..... It should become a staple form factor. I originally got the Gigabyte B650i Ultra board when I went to Micro Center a few weeks ago because of the bundle deal they had at the time. After banging my head against the wall for hours due to the breakout cables & the board refusing to post. I returned it to MC & they had a better deal but it was for a Asus B650E-F ATX board. I still had my old 011 mini so I was like at least I can get up & running for now. However I plan to mod my NR200 to fit a mATX motherboard & I'm going to pick up the best board I can find to fit my needs.
Any reason why the gigabyte a620i ax was not included?
Hey man any thoughts on the ASRock B650I ITX? its pretty attractively priced at $199!
i like how your channel is ITX specific. im subscribing
Thank you for these reviews, I've been waiting to buy my mobo until I saw your roundup. Think I'm gonna go with the Asus B650e-i after all, but I'm glad I waited. Cheers mate!
Why do all these boards suck
The Asus B650E does have an external Clear CMOS Button. It's located in the I/O area, lower left corner. See at 3:42 for example. In sum of all features definitely the best AM 5 ITX Board.
I had the B650E-i from ASUS and I had never ending stability issues. Updated BIOS whenever a new revision was available, ran memory stock but still experienced BSODS. To rub salt into the wound, it also had awful coilwhine.
I might have gotten really unlucky with the batch of ASUS boards when I ordered mine, but as soon as I switched to the MSI b650, everything just worked. No BSODS, no coilwhine, no stability issues.
Feature wise, it lags behind the ASUS board, both in terms of IO and in placement of headers on the motherboard, but I'll happily trade that for a board that just works.
I also had annoying coilwhine with my ASUS board, switched to the MSI myself and also had no coilwhine. After having an ASUS RTX 3070 dual which also had horrible coilwhine I am starting to think buying ASUS isn't it.
The first B650E-I I got was bad. I exchanged it and the replacement is awesome, super stable and no weird high-end computer fussiness issues.
Thanks, these videos have been super helpful. Hopefully your affiliate links are still working, I’ve tried to buy everything I could through your vid links to show my appreciation. I’m purchasing parts for my first ITX build.
Would you still recommend the MSI mobo? It’s currently up to $270+… yikes
How about Gigabyte A620I AX? It's cheaper than its B650 counterparts and still supports all Zen 4 CPUs.
it only just came out tbf, i suspect they don't have it on hand yet
Why are these sooo expensive?
I don't remember MO being this expensive with my last ITX build few years ago.
YO M&M!!!...The Gigabyte B650i has (4) SATA 6 ports on the add on card
Msi B650i - (2) M.2 & (4) SATA ports
Ggiabyte B650I - (3) M.2 & (4) SATA ports (one of three M.2 ports are pci-e 5.0)
Max memory capacity for MSI B650I & Gigabyte B650i - 96Gb
Gigabyte backplate is NANOCARBON (excellent heat absorption & heat transfer properties). That backplate uses that speacial plastic, LMAO! Anyhoot, I like it (thumb up!). However, I do wish it had a clear CMOS button on the rear IO (thumb down)
MSI B650i - $299
Gigabyte B650i - $259
It was very easy for me to buy Gigabyte over the others because powerful vrm & (3) M.2s with 5.0/4.0/4.0 pci-e) & (4) SATA ports
I can forgive Gigabyte for the dongles & no debug led indicator
4 months & running...no regrets buying the Gigabyte B650i (double thumbs up w/smiley face!!!)
Thanks for pointing that out- I missed the two side SATA ports on the add on card!
@@MachinesMore No problem & I really like your channel (two thumbs up)!
I was debating between MSI B650 and ASRock B650I LIGHTNING WIFI for 7800x3d. Many report strong fan noise on MSI board and loud coil vine. Not sure about this AsRock board. Seems ok at 200$ price tag. Would appreciate some input
did you go for msi b650i edge?
Would be good to mention quality control and any firmware issues... Asus appears to have the worst ratings on Amazon for example
What do you think about the ASRock B650I Lightning WiFi? I dont know if i should get the ASRock one or the MSI motherboard.
There's a pretty big price difference there. For the Asrock, I'd go for the A620 if you're not going to overclock and save $60, it's identical except for chipset. For the MSI, I'd spend the extra little bit for the B650E-I.
They're all so ridiculously overpriced. The A620 is finally a lower price but doesn't support PBO
Am I the only one who thinks Asus is on the right track with having debug LED's on the outside? Where it's actually visible and therefore useable? What's the use if it's on the board and you can't see it because it's crammed inside an ITX case. Would you prefer to open up your ITX case just to look at your debug LED's? I like the Hive setup specifically because of this. I'm building inside the meshroom case so I think it'd be nice to have the volume, extra inputs, Debug LEDs etc. all at my fingertips. No BOO! Don't innovate, charge more money for the same board as last time.
OT, but there've been many cases of ROG B550i + RTX40x0 causing stability issues on reddit sffpc. The issue been around for almost half year and with the lastest July BIOS update the problem still persists. Would you be interested looking into this issue, thanks!
I cant boot my asrock b550 phantom gaming itx with a 4070 fe.
I have no problems at all with my Asus B650E-I, awesome board, no coil whine, RAM with EXPO stable at DDR5-6000 CL 30, built 04/2023.
Just make sure you have the latest BIOS installed.
What CPU are you running with that motherboard though?...
@@Dawelio Already two times my answer vanished, what the heck is going on here? I use a 7800X3D with a Noctua NH-U12A cooler.
@@carstenpfitzer4764would a single 120mm AIO be enough to cool this CPU down in NZXT H1 V2?
Same experience, although the first one Amazon sent me was bad. The replacement is perfect, so stable and no problems with DDR5-6000. Built 8/24, I always flash the BIOSes on MBs to latest with Flashback first thing after removing from the box.
Just get the Asus B650E-I if you can afford it. I did for a secondary system and it's awesome. Runs amazing with a 7800X3D and 7900XT, super stable and excellent sound section. MediaTek MT7922 / AMD RZ616 Wi-Fi, which I actually prefer over the Intel AX210 / Killer AX1675 (I get slightly better speedtest speeds and no more stability issues than the Intels, which is to say zero), no goofy daughterboards or external pods like some of the ITX boards. And it doesn't run hot in a Sugo 14 mini ITX case with only the rear exhaust fan (the case supports HUGE air coolers and has a Phantom Spirit SE so that's surely a factor vs cases that require a slim heatsink/fan). For full disclosure, the first one I got was bad. Amazon exchanged it without issue and the 2nd one is beyond perfect.
Given that most people put one SSD and one GPU in their system, MATX and ITX are just fine for 99% of people - too bad they charge a premium for ITX (the B650E-I was $40 than my B650E-F, which is the full-size version) and all the MATX boards are low end. My next main system (way in the future) will probably be ITX after this build.
do you have any plans of reviewing the meshroom from ssupd? I've been looking forward to getting the meshlicious but I can't seem to get any black ones with a riser cable for msrp
Hopefully you'll review the a620i ax too from gigabyte. It's sold out tho on newegg
isn't the gigabyte backplate metal? i think i recall my B550i being metal
Your Ryzen 7000 ITX-motherboard series is great! Super helpful. I just came across a new B650 ITX mobo from Asrock (Asrock B650I Lightning WIFI), cheaper then the msi, asus and Asrock PG. If you are able to put that in a new video?
Same ! Been looking for decent review but none is out and board seems legit at 199$ price tag. My only worry is As Rock bios
I still use the CH8 Impact mDTX board and love the form factor so much. I can't see myself upgrading from it until end of AM5 or mid-cycle AM6. I hope Asus can pull off another AMD mDTX board in the future. That said, great details and coverage of the current set of ITX AM5 boards.
Have Gigabyte sorted their backdoor issues?
Also is it possible to do a video for m-atx focused on those with gen5 for GPUs? Gen5 for storage as a consumer doesn’t really makes a difference vs gen4, but having a motherboard with gen5 GPU support would be nice since I tend to use the board for 3-4 years. Rumors suggest we get gen5 GPUs in 2024.
I've been looking forward to this round up and thank you for providing. Nice to get the clarity on features that make a difference.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on these boards in context to Zen5 cpus. Do you think there's anything to seperate them regarding these future cpus and possible faster DDR5 memory?
I would love to see a review series on z690i and z790i intel motherboards too. So far I've been having a miserable time with ASUS's try on these chipsets on ITX. z690i produces WHEA PCIe hardware errors while the z790i has a dead memory channel. Meanwhile MSI z790i works flawlessly.
Love this summary, great video! I grabbed the MSI for $239 back when it was on sale when the 7800x3d launched, which I grabbed as well. It’s been solid other than issues with RAM at 6000, but 5800 has been good. Glad I decided to go with it as it was the cheapest option at the time and I was pretty surprised to see the price climb up the way it did.
You may want to give 6000 another try with the latest BIOS, in my board 6000 CL 30 runs fine with the 7800X3D and just EXPO enabled.
Which ram kits are you using ?
@@seawolf7610 Not sure who you meant, I have Corsair Vengeance, model CMH32GX5M2B6000Z30K
@@carstenpfitzer4764 question was open to both. None of the 6000MT kits available here are listed on my mobo qvl.
Have you experienced any audio issues with the rear audio headers? I got the MSI board, but I am experiencing "popping" noises extremely frequently.
M&M have you asked Asrock for the A620i recent releases for review? A620i for $140 with 7800X3D seems promising to make jump to AM5 Gaming rig.
Thanks for this. i am planning on a new personal SFF computer later this year. i had already thought the MSI was the best board for me and this excellent review just confirms this. My last couple of builds (both SFF for family members) were done with MSI mobos and they have worked well with a good bios as well. i wish the board manufacturers could figure how to put the audio plug in a different spot. With chunkier GPU's, trying to plug the video card in, that damn wire always gets in the way for me. Its likely not a big deal if you use a riser cable. my biggest question is which case to use but at the end of the day i am still leaning to using the NR200P. i just have to have a glass panel to look inside especially with the case sitting on my desk and see my work. Plus i want to air cool it. I am not a huge gamer or productivity user but i just like a nice setup to look at (yeah i like some RGB accents too). My last build was in the NR200P with a Noctua air cooler and it went very well thanks to your very helpful videos on building in the case and how to set up the air cooling for optimal results.
I'm building an SFF PC for a friend and thanks to your round-up, I've learned that the Strix B650E-I exists. Asus website is messed up and filtering for AM5 Mini-ITX boards does *not* show it, and it's not included on Techspot's otherwise very informative round-up despite it being just 2 weeks old at the time of writing this comment. 70A power delivery aside, it seems strictly better than both the Strix X670E-I and Gigabyte B650I Aorus Ultra - way better layout, no daughterboards, no add-on devices, and no oversized M.2 heatsink. Great video.
How is the temps with a 7700X & 4070 in that case?
I am looking to build my first itx build, and that msi board here in Canada is 20-40 bucks more than the rog b650, so I think that will be my choice.
for 2024, what's the best value gaming ITX build with best longevity?
I still got my meshlicious case :D
I use Asus B650E-I MB and I hate it because of very noticeable coil whine around the CPU area.
hello :> could you please recommend some better value kits for the b650i edge? think of somethink similar to the micron e-die during the early am4 era :> prefererably low profile if possible
All 5 ITX board only Gigabyte's B650I have DisplayPort built in. I wonder why other brand remove DisplayPort, but there in more old AM4 ITX MB have DisplayPort.
Any board with an Intel nic is a no go for me. Been burned by the b550i strix Intel i225-v and will not go for any board with i225/i226.
I have a whole bunch of components for my next mini-itx build (NR200P, Cooler Master V750 SFX, SN850X, ...) waiting for my next build. I am just missing the Motherboard/cpu/ram combo... The B650 looks fine but it is very expensive. I am hesitating between a GIGABYTE B550I AORUS Pro AX and a B760 solution like a ASUS ROG Strix B760-I. As Machine&More is my "Bible" when building a mini-ITX configuration, I am wondering why there are no reviews about mini-itx motherboards for Intel 12th and 13th generations? Any consideration not to go with a B760 solution (or even a B660) and keep the older and solid B550 solution?
I like you and the way you think. But the format of the way you present your findings in this video make it extremely circuitous. I wish there were more graphics and data to go along with what you were talking about.
Subscribed, I've been really impressed with your content, thank you for all the useful and honest info
Absolutely love your channel! I love sfx builds and your videos honestly take so much of the headache away from planning the build!!
waiting for your review of new gigabyte a620 itx board, should be a cheaper alternative to those overpriced boards
What about 620 chipsets?
MSI B650i have BSOD and BIOS issues when having the EXPO.
What is your bios configuration with regards to the expo for each board to be able to run stable and have faster boot time?
I think it may have to do with the speed of the kits (even though the profiles may be tested, they are still technically OC with regard to the CPU). With mine I stuck to 5200mhz kits at most.
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8776 Griffin Squares
Thanks for this video! I think I know which board to get for my build now. Thanks! Mow!
MSI Board only have 1 display output. Not ideal for productivity.
Only the Gigabyte is fanless, and the Asrock can be ran fanless? The MSI chipset overheats without that fan on it?
I just send my MSI B650i back right after I purchased it. The audio jack had a terrible distortion noise depending on the CPU load, especially in CS2 just so awful. I think this is just a rare failure but at least a think to look out for when testing your system
I recently built in the NR200P MAX at the weekend, I have a 12th gen i9 so i went with the MSI B760i Edge WiFi DDR5, i'm not overclocking the cpu, the motherboard has been great I have it pared with 64GB DDR5 6400Mhz Corsair Dominator RAM and a Zotac 3080, also I have 2 black 120mm slim arctic fans at the bottom of the case as intake, when i'm not using the PC i have the glass side panel on for show and when I'm using the PC I put the vented panel on, it's a great case for my small space, I have another build with a 13th gen i9 and a zotac 4090 Trinity, I even thought about putting that gpu in but it might be too big! i'm using the NR200P MAX build as a streaming PC. Great channel btw I love the content it's very chill.
503 Craig Squares
Nope, not doing Asus again... MSI is solid choice
is there a Mini-ITX case that i can use standard sized power supply, i just don't want to purchased a new Small sized Power Supply snice i spend $250.00 DeepCool PG-1200 Watts when is was newly released... give me at least 3 Mini-ITX Case recommendation's... Thank you
Nr200p
One of the trickiest part of itx builds motherboard price then cases , same company making ATX cases at 90 will ask for 170 for itx case 🤗
Does the external Hive device require Asus bloatware to function? If it does than its nothing but a paper weight.
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Very good review,,,I don't think i'll ever go any itx, but so good to know what's on offer at this time,,,for me ATX only,,,keep up with good job MM!!! Greetings from Kosovo!
Ive not watched this yet, but based on previous reviews I got the Asus (B650E), even though the VRM's are not the best..
It really seems like there's only one option for those of us that require a Thunderbolt 4 / USB 40 Gbps.
Or go Intel, I guess.
Asus have problem burning cpu.
thoughts on the ASROCK620i lightning
747 Kory Lake
ran out of asus b650e-i me gonna cry
the msi one is cheaper in my country by around 60 usd compared to asus and gigabyte. looks like i found a winner. thank you so much for the in-depth reviews
Hopefully you can make a similar video for intel cpus
Planning a nr200 build and this has been so helpful! You think a 240mm aio will fit in the top with a 3 slot gpu under?
8267 Kaela Prairie
Your channel is a god send for SFF builders! Keep up the good work...I'm waiting to see pricing on the AMD 9000 before making my new build.
I got the Gigabyte B650i, so far it is OK but no debug is annoying.. Thanks for the great videos!
8649 Jalon Green
Just purchased the MSI board for $241 missed the $231 price from Amazon during Black Friday, but they’ve been slowly increasing the price which it is now $251. So $241 isn’t terrible, but the video helped put peace of mind knowing some of the pros and cons.
dude now is 300 :(
great coverage, thanks 🎉 👍
So which one that have fastest boot time?
Amazing video man, much appreciated!
Why the msi B650i is so expensive in teh US??
In central EU its around 220~230€ since the beginning... bad luck i guess, very happy with mine as a ITX first timer!
It jumped up all of a sudden earlier this year. The EU pricing seems good compared to the other options.
Does it still have cmos battery issues?
This channel is underrated
Thank you much! Super helpful
Nice video, been waiting for a round up of the gen 5 boards!
choosing a ryzen cpu is a hard choice
Hey M&M, thanks for this comprehensive summary. Which ITX board is better for AM5 futureproofing?Is the B-650E-I Strix enough for Ryzen 8000 or 9000 cpus? Or Better to go with X670e Strix-1 or go higher with Crosshair Gene though that is matx?Thanks
You know, it’s hard to say but I would anticipate power delivery to be sufficient. Given some of the hiccups with even just the X3D chips, anything could happen with next gen, but I don’t think AMD wants to release a new CPU and have nobody buy it because their boards can’t run. They’re already facing a tough market with Ryzen 7000.
@@MachinesMore Dear M&M tanks for insightful reply. Really appreciate it.👊
thank you sir
たい焼き！＼(^o^)／
God's work, man. By God I mean the Omnissiah.
From the moment I understood the weakness of my rig, it disgusted me.
Thanks for the roundup! Love the content!
Asus coil whine?
You’ve got to be insane to buy an AMD mini itx motherboard!!!
Welp, Intel won the mini itx market
Yeah, the grass is kinda brown on the Ryzen 7000 mini ITX front...
But Intel 13th generation is very difficult to cool in SFF form factor and not everybody wants liquid cooling in a portable computer. If you are targeting i5 13500 or below then yeah Intel is better in both value and performance.However you need to be very lucky in the silicon lottery to be able to undervolt a 13600k so that it runs below 150W which is the maximum 67mm air coolers like the Thermalright AXP120-X67 or ID-Cooling IS-67-XT can handle. Otherwise you are leaving performance on the table. An i7 13700K is out of question without liquid cooling.
@@gencoserpen1260 If you desperately need that type of CPU performance on air, I'd recommend buying a slightly bigger Micro ATX computer instead.
It just doesn't make sense to take that huge motherboard (cost) hit for slightly better cpu performance on such a small build.
Mini Itx with no water cooling = Light to Light-Mid CPU always
Scythe Fuma 3 review coming up?
sure is!
Great review bud.
Thank you.
great video