Top 5 Pokemon that Became Good YEARS Later
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I personally would love to see the "type through the years" series coming back I believe you only did Ice and it would be amazing to see it back for the others
They only did ice and include the video at the end of every video for some reason
Like fire types and grass types are just there. Grass types being the worst types but having good pokemon and fire types with their stealth rocks weaknesses and good typing and the existence of heatran are just there
I would love to see a 'Ghost-type through the years." Starting off strong and somehow ending off stronger.
@@dabmonstr7403 I thought the worst type in general was considered to be Bug. Which would also be nice, although I have a feeling it would go like "There was fierce attacker Heracross and valuable Scizor - Steel makes even Bug become pretty good. Later, Volcarona came as _the_ Quiver Dancer. The end.".
@@Alche_mist Poison also became better with it countering fairy types.
It’s nice to see FSG go beyond the how good was insert pokemon it can help to branch out what kind of content is made
Ngl, I subscribed after he uploaded "the Rampardos theorem"
I think its a very smart move, because that series cant go on forever. This way the subs are prepared for trouble
For sure, love what this channel and Freezeai are doing for competitive
@@justinanderson2631 thats prolly my favourite fsg video, and i watch him every all the time
@@justinanderson2631 Woah, really? I guess the different video types worked after all.
Imagine if Breloom had a BST of over 500 instead of it’s low 460. It would be a monster
If it did, I wish it’d get +20 on Speed and +10 on HP and Special Defense. So it could have 70/130/80/60/70/90.
they would put all of them In special attack
@@IgnitedQuils even with +20 speed breloom wont be outspeeding anything important. +20 in both hp and defence would be better imo
Breloom mostly just runs sub poison heal sets or bulky technician nowadays, so speed isnt really needed, bulk is.
BST isn't a good metric, the extra 40 could go into SPATK which would make no difference
@@oatmeal0 I mean it’s undeniable that 90 is a waaay better speed tier than 70. With 90 spe it outspeeds nidoking, heatran, volcanion, buzzwole, etc
How LIT is that thumbnail ACTUALLY?
Man, I'm really happy about RBY Moltres being on here. As a kid, I desperately tried to make this thing work in the cartridge games but it just wouldn't, now 20+ years later I'm glad to see it's doing well in competitive.
Edit: I think it's important to note that RBY Victreebel has fallen back into UU a few months ago.
and about to fall to NU after the sleep ban
Poor thing was sent blasting off again ;-;
😂Oh man, I remember that. Moltres always felt so lackluster compared to his fellow legendary bird bros. And tbh I do think it could be a little cooler looking, but that's not unique to Moltres, and plus I think I just really hate geese and Moltres looks vaguely goosey.
wait really? victreebel with the 99.7% crit razor leaf was dropped to uu?
and then back to nu
not always power is everything, persian has the same high crit rate with slash, and yet, it's very situational in ou
When I saw breloom punching, I couldn't stop loving how he does a little one two hop, then decks the opponent in the jugular.
I really want to see a Moltres remake now. Being rediscovered in OU not once, not twice, but three times long after that stopped being the current gen is truly incredible.
I'd like to see a video with the opposite of this topic: 5 OU Pokemon that fell off in the same generation.
Edit: yay it happened!
eggy might end up being an honorable mention lol. still top 6 but considering they were up there with the 3 normals in terms of being a mandatory pick it's a pretty big blow.
Golem too, that body slam loophole was brutal.
Truly the rise of the Pheonix.
6 yr old me : Whoa fire bird go brrr
18 yr old me: Zapdos go zap
30 yr old me: Whoa fire bird go brr
Talonflame would be a pretty big candidate. It really fell off when Gen 6 ended and people discovered even at full power it wasn't even that good.
Yeah DPP Infernape would definitely be in that video
Unfortunately, Victreebel recently fell from OU in RBY. It's still impressive that it managed to get into OU in the first place though.
The reason it fell can be traced back to how Psychics don't always trade Paralysis anymore. But sometimes you can still make it work
Actually, the reason was the rise of sing chansey, which completely changed team structures to one's that do not favor victreebel at all, so ti fell
@@wertyxq3468 sing chansey also invalidated sing lapras. In fact, both dropped to UU, and while Victreebel fit in the UU meta just fine, lapras was quick banned, becoming one of the only two UUBL mons (alongside Slowbro) in RBY
@@wertyxq3468 ... You do realize that the rise of sing Chansey was in response to Victoreebell punishing Psychics trading Thunderwave turn 1. Chansey only runs sing because now it's switching into those Psychic Thunderwaves turn 1. Sounds like you watched part of a plaque von karma video and miss heard what he said. 🤦♂️
@@SebastianGonzalez-mv5er Slowbro is OU again its recent time in BL was very short lived. Slowbro has a history of being a teir anomaly and has often been separated into its own unique teir. Sometimes Slowbro was used as a benchmark basically stating the philosophy that anything stronger then Slowbro is too strong to be anywhere below OU.
The boots were truly a lifesaver for many rock-weak Pokémon.
Also a pain for bitchmade mons like Blissey
In every randbats I play on pokemon showdown I always have a rock-quad weak pokemon (Articuno, Volcarona, Charizard) and the opponent always gets stealth rock, and when I didn't get a defogger or rapid spinner
Boots made the whole meta Easy Mode for mindless 'A spammers'.
Moltres is sick so glad to that he's been discovered.
this will bode really well on the offchance that we'll get a Moltres remake
Like a phoenix from the ashes, Moltres rises to OU.
Breloom was held back due to HP coverage issues and lack of physical secondary STAB. But in ADV, as mentioned, it did have the rare Spore alongside Stun Spore. And the rare dual resistance of Rock and Ground. The P/S split, Poison Heal and Technician boosted it. And it always stayed in UUBL-OU. Can’t wait to see it in SV.
Wanted Jynx to get an evolution similar to Electabuzz and Magmar. They always had a similar dex order, their learnsets are still similar to this day and Smoochum evolves at level 30 like Magby and Elekid.
Moltres always had a good defensive and offensive typing, and it got options like the rare Will-O-Wisp in ADV, and could maybe run Morning Sun. Then it got Scorching Sands and Heavy Duty Boots. I felt like almost all the legendary birds were good in one way or another.
Now we need a remake of "How GOOD was Moltres ACTUALLY?"
Articuno seething in the corner
@@AllesZuSpaet53 i mean he have his moment of glory in gen 1
Dude it packed Spore and Focus Punch, with Substitute, Leech Seed this thing was more broken than Rayquaza. Or wait Spore, Focus Punch, Swords Dance, Facade. More Broken than Brokenness itself all it needed was a Switch to a Slower speed pokemon, land Spore and all hell broke loose.
@@dreadalex Read my comment again, I mentioned Spore. And Poison Heal wasn’t a thing in Gen 3 so Facade wasn’t a high recommendation on its sets at the time.
RBY OU meta shifts are so interesting. It's almost static that one a change in usage is so rare yet impactful. Last I heard was Golem falling out of favor, which resulted in Rhydon solidifying its position in the meta.
I think golem fell out of favour due to a game mechanic not implemented on simulators originally being discovered, which when put in nerfed golem
That also led to Executtor not being considered mandatory anymore
Fun fact, Golem actually fell all the way to NU! UU has Surfs and Blizzards being thrown out everywhere, and the electrics that it was supposed to stop already have to fear Dugtrio anyway
RBY also developed a new tier below NU, the infamous PU tier
@@avet4952 Yep, the game mechanic discovered that did Golem in was Normal-types being immune to Body Slam's Paralysis, meaning that Chansey can basically sit in on it and spam Ice Beam.
How fitting that Moltress be a Pokemon that became good years later in multiple generations. After all, it *IS* based on the phoenix: A bird that is reborn from its own dying ashes.
Moltres really is like a Phoenix. Starts as ashes. But then rises to be a beautiful creature.
How about a video on the most game-changing simulator mistakes and how they changed the meta, like paralyzing normal types with Body Slam in Gen 1 and Sleep Talk not burning Rest turns in Gen 3?
And secret power paralysis on gen 5
And Focus Blast always missing when you are about to win.
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Jynx using thief as a legit set is really Goddamn funny
I remember the Stealth Rocks video you did a while ago, it would be cool to see meta defining moves like rapid spin, knock off, spikes and hidden power have the spotlight on how they have changed over the generations or how the generations changed around them.
Word.
I remember hearing that Pursuit wasn't meta anymore and I was like
"waaaaaaaaaat!" Very interesting.
Well done you guys, I would love to see vids on roles within a team! I.e. what is a tank, what is a lead, what is a pivot, what is a sweeper, etc. do a vid on each, giving examples throughout the gens and their importance within a team, and then you can put em all in one big playlist :3
I hear people say tank this and pivot that but I don't really get the importance while looking at showdown's teambuilder and usually fumble around in the dark for a while, or just rip somebody's team and go from there.
Next we need mons that fell off hard, not disappointing, but just fell off super hard in the same Gen. Some that come to mind are Terrakion in BW, Kyurem Black in USUM, Deoxys in USUM, Thund in ORAS, etc.
8:40 Golem displacing Rhydon? Now that’s a sentence I thought didn’t exist
Honestly loving the different kind of videos you've been putting out. There's only so many Pokemon to cover and these are arguably more interesting anyway
Great video as always, your channel is one of my favorites. I scrolled through the comments to see other's video ideas and I don't think I saw a single bad idea. I love these games, every little curiosity catches my interest. So as long as your content quality stays the same or improves I will likely continue to watch all your videos, thanks for making them!
Victreebel is a really underrated Pokémon. Especially in the games with the physical special split.
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Always had Victreebel for my HeartGold and SoulSilver teams
Loving the new video styles you're creating, so many interesting topics to cover, all with the tried-and-true FSG quality.
As for what kind of content I'd like to see, I'd love a return of the type history videos, like your video on Ice-Type Pokémon with Blunder
It's nice to see FSG experimenting with new video ideas
Im happy that you guys are finally changing and expanding the types of content here. Great job guys !
Can we get a Gengar remake
a tyranitar remake would incredible
I want to see Venusaur done since it was the mascot of the first games in Japan with Charizard (Red and Green). And it always had a good competitive history.
Or a moltres remake, his gen 1 description no longer make justice of what moltres is now
LOVE the new style of videos! The passion for creating this style of video OOZES out of my screen!
Really liking the variation in content as of late. Well done FSG!
I'm really liking this new type of content you guys are putting out. Thanks for all the hard work you and your crew are always putting in for us!
I'd really like to see more generation specific videos like the ones you did explaining the unique to gen 1 mechanics, and what Pokemon were considered top threats.
Man it's so good seeing how Moltres went from dismissed to great in multiple generations.
I love the thumbnail, Moltres is becoming viable in every OU meta years later like it's collecting Infinity Stones
Snorlax's entry animation brings warmth to my heart.
The more Variety content lately is super interesting! Would love to see more of it
I’d love to see a part 2 for this video since it’s always a joy to see different Pokémon rise to the top and proving themselves.
Love the upgrade you made in the content (and the thumbnails!)
Ngl I just thought about it now but moltres's rise really does mimic the rising of the phoenix from the ashes of fire.
huge fan of this type of video. I've lost track of a lot of old gen metas since I stopped playing them over the years and it's so fascinating to get a peek into how they've developed. it's really cool to see some of them transformed since I last played them as people found new strategies and worked more on tiering.
It's nearly impossible to document significant meta game developments in formats like Nintendo cup 1997. However when it does get played (on Showdown spotlight, or in primarily Japanese social media servers) Its developed in a fashion that more revolves around PP stalling with Double team and Rest on pokemon like Jynx, Lapris, Articuno, Jolteon, etc. In that environment gaining a PP advantage is a significant tool... For that reason Ditto of all pokemon has proven it's worth, through a combination of PP and switch stalling Ditto can transform into opposing pokemon and copy +6 evasion in 1 turn while also getting 5 PP per move every time it transforms meaning that it can waist the opponent's PP while staying healthy with Rest it copied over and over again without burning the too much PP of your other Pokémon.
It's pretty vindicating to see a Pokemon in these videos and realizing you probably helped contribute to the realization of their potential. First Nidoqueen from the last video, and the honorable mention to Mienshao here. It's a healthy reminder that your favorites are probably more viable than you think, you just need to find their niche.
This channel is one of the only ones that can get me hyped for how cool these scenarios sound in my head haha. Makes me feel like a kid playing Pokémon
Really enjoying the variety in content lately! That thumbnail is amazing too lmao
A team archetype analysis could be interesting as a video suggestion, like the CHALK core, or the many team archetypes plaguing Gen V
TSS and its variants in gen 3 (and 4), explosion offense in gen 2 and weather teams through the generations come to mind as well.
The final boss music for Moltres was just so fitting. I really like this style of video FSG is putting out.
love to see these new kinds of videos! nothing wrong with “how good was xyz” but it’s so refreshing seeing a different focus on the channel!
Really loving these new types of videos. Excited to see more!!!
I would love to see you guys talk about the STADIUM CHALLENGES in games like COLOSSEUM and XD, the BATTLE CD´s, and of course Stadium 1 and 2 both using Pokemon you could obtain from multiple games, but also attempting their challenges using the Pokémon available in the games themselves, like the Rentals and Shadow Pokemon.
I absolutely loved the "competitive history of ice type pokemon" video and would love to see you do all the types!
Even in SwSh, Moltres got a totally different status compare to when Stealth rock first introduced ,with the introduce of Heavyduty boots, with it’s typing being it’s largest hindrance, it’s still a great Pokémon in general
Heavy duty boots made pokemon that hate SR have a work around. Never thought i would see the time SR would get nerfed, but here we are.
moltres kinda sucks right now because offensively it gets walled by all the bulky water types of the tier and it most of the things it could otherwise check can knock off its boots. The galarian form is great, though!
@@vtmagno23 flying types love taking no damage on switch ins. So galar moltres can apply to this.
@@vtmagno23 what are your thoughts on goodra?
Except Gastro and Rotom Wash, other water types do not wall it. They also have nothinv to do with Moltres not being used in OU.
I hope FSG goes over the history of another type as a whole soon. I really liked the Ice type video, and I think it'd be great if they made another vid like it covering a different type.
Loving the new video styles! Also, that thumbnail is solid gold
Great video as always so much work and research goes into it. Just ty ty
the concept for this video is amazing, i had no idea people were still playing old gens competively (but now that i know, it makes total sense)
More history of competitive mechanics would be cool, like your video on stealth rocks and the impact it had. Maybe like the physical special split, type match ups, etc.
This is a great idea for a video I’m so happy it got a sequel!!
Love this kind of video! It would be awesome to see a similar video, but about how a pokemon suddenly starts using a set that is completely unlike what they first were known to run. (i.e. Talonflame going from mainly using choice band to using a bulk up stallbreaker set in gen 6)
That would include every single ou pokemon in every generation
As a newbie to competitive pokemon I would love a video that describes the different roles pokemon can play on a team, i.e stall, sweeper, revenge.
An obvious idea for a new video would be the opposite of these past 2, 5 mons that got worse with time, but I think a look at certain abilities or items would also be pretty good. Whether it's handled like the typical "How good was _____ actually" or more like "5 mons who used/became synonymous with _____", I don't really care because I think either work
Really cool to see RBY Victreebel on here. That Wrap/Razor Leaf/Toxic/Hyper Beam set was my ace back when I was a kid and I used to piss off my friends with it. Good memories.
These types of videos are the future of this channel. Love these.
Only 36 seconds before watching a new False Swipe Gaming video. A new record.
I am loving this new series format. It touches on the history of Pokemon but seeing in a new light.
Also, it's always good when unused Pokemon can get new life in battle.
Cool format! I don't play those metagames so I was suprised to see everyone of them
love these videos. please keep up these new styles
This was such a great video. I really enjoyed these meteoric rises to power from Cinderellas.
This was a treat to watch. I'd definitely watch more of this.
I'm in LOVE with these new thumbnails!
The thumbnails are getting better and better XD
I would love to see a retrospective of Explosion or Rapid Spin through the years, since both moves have seen high usage throughout the years. Maybe even a retrospective on Spikes.
I wish regieleki had galvanize so its explosion is kind of a nuke
Love the thumbnail haha, and the new content keep it going
Loving the new types of videos. How about the best pokemon with their own unique moves
I would honestly like to see more some Mono-type meta analysis. It changes a Pokémons viability quite a lot.
Glad to see Moltres getting its proper time to shine. It was always my favorite of the Legendary Birds of Gen 1, but I always felt that Ho-Oh stole its shine. Glad to see that wasn't entirely the case (even if in this case it's because Ho-Oh doesn't exist yet.)
It'd be cool to see you go over Pokémon types as a whole across the generations, like you did ages away with ice.
I would love to see another one of these videos about some of the most amazing moves in Pokémon history because I know Gen 1 trapping moves like Wrap/Fire Spin/Clamp would be somewhere on there.
False Swipe Gaming is the only channel I press the like button everytime before I even play the video
I'd like to see videos discussing more in depth topics related to competitive battling. Things like a video that explains concepts like team cores and goes into depth about that, or maybe something that dives into the complex types of different teams you can make such as hyper offense, balanced, and stall. You could talk about the history of them a bit if you wanted, but I feel like that might be too similar to your other video formats. You're clearly passionate about competitive battling so it makes sense to make broader topic videos about it. You could even do some battling yourself if you're not opposed to the idea. I'd wager a lot of your viewers already watch that kinda stuff on YT anyways, I know I do.
I love these new content types. Keep it up!
Please continue with other type of videos, we don't want you to stop your main series but a little fresh air inbetween is great!
jynx has always been my favorite pokemon since i first played pokemon, didn't expect to see her on this list, so happy 🥰
Dropping a comment and a like so that these new video types get the recognition they deserve
i think you are the first person i meet who actually gives props to Jynx as a pokemon overlooking the fact that she had some difficults over her job as a pokemon, and i lov that
I don't know if you have any job outside of this at the moment, but you should totally make an audiobook at some point. Your voice would be perfect for someone who is reading an action adventure book or a dramatic romance book.
Love the videos everytime, what about a video that compares competitive usage of counterpart pokemon like nidoking vs nidoqueen or zacian vs zamazenta, one of them got the short end of the stick
I think this type of video would be cool to see with different moves, for example, how defogger went from useless to mandatory
Do every Pokémon in Little Cup that got a niche in higher tiers like Vullaby and Eevee.
Moltres in gen 1 is the reason why I started using Rock Slide Dugtrio, to outspeed and one shot it without the risk of it swapping out because I think people usually don't think that a pure ground type would have a move to hit flying types with
lol Rock Slide Dugtrio does like 60% to Moltres and has no chance of being able to switch in safely
I would love to see a video that if you had to do a complete overhaul of how stats, typing, abilities, and moves what would you do.
i’d love for you to continue the how good was a type videos. You’ve only made the one for Ice and I think it is a great series too
I just love the thumbnail of this video cause Moltres face looks like it's giving the most derpiest middle finger to the other gen one mons
I'm loving these top 5 videos we are seeing a lot more recently
A Pokémon: *It's discovered to be good after years of no use *
The competive player base: Ban it!!!
I mean its for a good reason. Sleep is basically a KO in the fast pace meta of ADV, and freeze clause was put in place due to jynx's ability for its ice beams and its teammates to shut down enemies due to its opportunities
@@darthhydreigon820 Skill issues
@@TalkingVidya cool so no counter argument! sweet!
Nice lack of an argument you have there. Seems like you have a skill issue.
It would be cool to see a video about some Pokemon with crazy damage calcs or ability to take crazy attacks
Perhaps you could do a video or two on the most impactful hold items and why they're so powerful
Been waiting for this one.
The quality of the contents of this channel is unbelievable.
Loved the first video can’t wait to see this one!
Maybe videos covering the impact of certain categories of items? Lefties/Black Sludge or the choice items maybe
That Thumbnail is top notch!
Great video! Although I joined Smogon in 2005 and I'm pretty sure Breloom was in OU back then. It's just for like 10 years inbetween where it was BL I guess.