I really wanted to like the stock X5 with Romeo1 that I purchased a few months back with the goal of trying carry optics division just for a change. To be honest I was disappointed a relegated it to my safe after one range session. Recently, I did the tungsten infused frame upgrade to my existing X5, installed a gray guns curved (generally not a fan of flat triggers unless in a 2011) competition trigger. and tungsten guide rod and gas pedal. Trigger weight Is now averaging 3lb 2oz and has a feel that I didn't think possible with a striker file pistol. In terms of being fun to shoot... It's honestly 'apporaching' the CZ TS Orange and not too far off an Atlas 2011. Incredible. Returns to zero with no effort. Sig nailed it with the new frame! .. and the trigger helped immensely. My understanding is that the Legion trigger is on par with the gray guns. Never thought I'd find a 'polymer' striker fire pistol that I actually enjoy shooting but this thing is the real deal.
I bought this gun right before the buy/sell ban kicked in Canada. I paid up for it too as all handgun prices had almost doubled even on crap models. So I had to fork over 1600 Canadian for it…yes ouch….and I didn’t even get a damn coin cuz they ran out and were not offering them to foreign suppliers…so that pissed me off. I gotta say I LOVE THIS GUN. It makes me a better shooter than I am with other guns. The Dawson sights are awesome. The 1911 recoil springs also make a huge difference. Yes it could use a trigger job and will eventually get one. They finally did configure it for the Romeo 1 pro , Deltapoint pro and I believe the Trijicon RMR. Those are all 7-900 purchases up here so it will be awhile before I can afford to put one on. Ideally I would love to keep the iron sights on but not sure if that’s possible. I thought watching your review from 5 years ago they did manage to clean up a couple issues but you were pretty bang on with your assessment of it. Really enjoying your content and review style. 😬👍👍
Definitely a comfortable pistol to shoot and easy to shoot fast. But the rolly break made it harder for me to shoot it accurately (slow fire bullseye style).
@@paddypibblet846 in slow fire bullseye shooting I prefer to know EXACTLY when the trigger will break. When shooting off-hand (not from a bench or rest), the pistol is never 100% still - there’s a “circle of uncertainty” that the sights tend to make over the target. Breaking the shot just as the sight passes over the center is the goal. A perfect score on a B8 target requires all 10 shots to be in the 10 ring (2 inch diameter) form 25, 50 and even 100 yards. If multiple shooters all score 100 points, it comes down to who’s got the most hits in the “X” ring (1 inch diameter). That’s not easy to do with an unpredictable trigger. For USPSA/IPSC or IDPA the P320 trigger is great. I just don’t prefer it for really precise shots.
I went from the X5 to the CZ P10F. They are both fantastic, but I think the trigger in the CZ P10F is better and the grip fits my hand much better. Do you have any experience with the optics ready CZ P10F? Have you reviewed?
I am going to be reviewing a P10FOR in the next month or so. I have shot one previously but not with the medium blackstrap I would need. The guy who’s gun I shot was with a large backstrap and it’s contoured really weird
Ok as someone who admits I don’t know enough about Sig P320 and their multitude of configurations… how does the x5 legion compare to the P320 max? I watched both videos and it seems the main difference is that the 320Max comes with the optic and some logos? Is that about it or am I missing something? Thank you in advance for clarification and forgive my ignorance 😂 🙏
Just bought mine yesterday....first Sig I have owned....I know it won't make me any better, but has me excited to put in the work...Sounds like I need to get an instagram account going now....
Hey, I supposed you were located in Georgia since you mentioned Ga Firing Line once. Where did you go for that outdoor firing range. I’m in Cobb... this is a great review. I’m looking for pistols wit( steel components, as opposed to Polymer, plastic, or alloy. I’m trying to get used to alloy pistols but I still enjoy a steel gun. You know how it is with those 1911 guys. Thanks.
You should definitely make the video- I think it’s great when guys legitimately using gear put info out as opposed to dabblers who will never holster the gun
One thing to add, you forgot to mention the flexibility of getting conversion kits to transfer the FCU too. (ie: turning into a compact sized gun to carry or shooting IDPA/CCP)
My wife liked of the grips of this gun and q5, but the sigs high bore axis and the hearing that the q5 is snappy, I dont want to give my feelings towards her decision. She has shot cz p10 and glock 34 and prefers the others listed. What gun would you point a smaller handed person towards? Thanks
I think the Walther and this gun are good for medium/ small hands. The Canik has a pretty small grip but is basically the same as a walther. P10 with the small backstrap is pretty small and the new M2.0 CORE from s&W can get pretty small in hand. The P10 or the M2 would be my pick for a small handed person
You mentioned your buddy did a polish job on trigger? Can you do a video on the areas done? Also did he debur the gun or were you meaning it was a debur design from Sig and nothing needs to be deburred? Nice review!
nice review! did you have to use an optic adapter plate to get your optic to sit closer to the rear of the slide? i'm not sure if it has to do with the type of red-dot optic. have a Delta Point pro and it doesn't mount flush to the rear.
My buddy has the legion. I’m really not a fan. The trigger doesn’t have a defined wall. That bugs me. High bore axis. 👎 Trigger reset is trash compared to my Canik (best striker fire triggers ever). And… it’s an ugly pistol. And yeah that matters. But…. Some people like it. So whatever. I’ll stick with my Rival (not arch-rival) and my shadow2. Good review though. Question… would you choose this over the either rival or shadow 2?
Nice video- don’t know how long ago this Video was made but did you know who did the rmr cut or was the sro mounted on a plate attachment like springer precision ?
So what would you guys do x5 for 750 or a shadow 2 for 1000 ? Buying a new gun and I can get them for those prices used of course .. is the shadow 2 250 bucks better then x5? I’m leaning towards the x5 but always wanted a shadow 2 .. plus I wear size med gloves so that’s one of the reasons
I can't wait to shoot mine but I will admit this video was a bit of a buzz kill. At the end of the day there are a lot of good options and non of them standout enough to offer a substantial advantage from a gear perspective.
One thing im not sure was addressed is comparison in costs of total setup versus most other rigs. The $ per value what you get out of this thing stock out of the box pretty much blows the pants off anything in the industry. If it suits you, which is the most important thing.
Awesome content. In another video you mentioned that you prefer the glock 34, but for beginners you still recommend the Sig P320 X5 Legion. Could you expand on why? Is it just because it's setup ready to go out of the box? Or do particular characteristics of the Sig make it a better gun to learn on?
The Glock grip and trigger is harder to manipulate correctly - and if you use the grip for cues on how to hold it - you'll be wrong. The Sig is more intuitive and easier to shoot accurately without dedicated practice.
I am starting the path... as in right now looking at a club to join. Will try to get my hands on this and a cz shadow 2 (OR maybe)...want to hit targets and do IPSC. What should I be looking for when trying those 2 out
Trying to decide on this vs the p10f for my first production gun and I’m stuck, which would you choose? I was sold on the Legion until I watched a few videos and it seems like the gun doesn’t shoot any more flat than its competitors due to bore axis, god I wish Sig would catch on because otherwise it would be a perfect gun.
Texas Teacher me personally - no. I am at a level that it doesn’t bring me anything over my current platform other than weight. If I didn’t have a gun it’d be at the top of the list
I'm a new shooter wanting to enter uspsa carry optics. Price wise would I be better off with an x5 with romeo1 and grip mod for $1200 (4 21 round mags) or x5 legion with Deltapoint pro for $1350 (only 3 17 round mags)? Being new, not sure how much of a game changer the better trigger would be. Would really like to know if the romeo1pro is going to be better than the deltapoint pro.
So the 21 rounders do not fit the case gauge for 141.25 mm magazines - you are going to have to sand the base pad a bit or get an aftermarket one from springer Precision etc. so be aware of that. I think either way is viable depending if you want to basically do a payment program on assembling an XFive or get the legion out of the gate. You are probably going to want to do the guide rod (tungsten), and the spring kit at a minimum. If you ever decide to sell it the legion will command a better price than a X5 with parts
@@TheHumbleMarksman I did notice the legion comes with a steel guide rod. Would an x5 turned legion with the tungsten guide rod be too heavy for carry optic rules? If so and I decide the payment plan option I may opt for the steel guide rod so I wouldnt have the extra (4x the cost) tungsten guide rod sitting around. Thank you for the help.
Kevin Tiemann this gun with a proper tuned up mag will be about 42.5 oz- so the Lee is space for tungsten. The affect of a couple oz in a 40 oz gun is not as apparent as a 30oz gun but it does help
Finally I find a competition centric review on this "competition" gun...lol. As intrigued as I've been with this the q5 and the Canik to me none seem to shoot flatter than the Glock. Really dig the recoil comparison footage from a real shooter! I think you just saved me 900. Being so heavily invested in Glock/s and parts I'm guessing I'm not gaining much over a optic milled 17 with a good trigger and 13lb recoil spring?
Ok. So if the magwell is cut into the gun grip from the factory it is OK? See my buddy PopsQuest is shooting all these optic pistols now I am thing about moving out of Revolver , Single Stack and limited 10 because no one shoots them anymore. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
I don't trust any crimson trace dot yet - I'd rather buy a quality one I knew would work. I haven't shot the smith yet - they're very good but I don't know that they would topple the legion.
@@TheHumbleMarksman Thank You :-) I am not attached the the stock Crimson Red Dot. Exploring the Holosun? 508 or 509? Recently shot two handguns: 1) The S&W M&P 2.0 Springfield Compact, loved the grip and the surprised I liked the trigger; 2) Sig P365 Xl, had a hard time getting comforable with the grip and the trigger left me with no memory good or bad. robertashburner@gmail.com I look forward to your thoughts and any review of the S&P 2.0 M&P 9mm Core. Also greatly appreciate your content TY
it's a decent gun and really easy to shoot accurately. If you're accurate with your glocks and have good technique - it's not a wildly different experience.
I love this pistol, but sadly I live in Italy, which means they don’t even import this model, and even the X5 “not legion” that they import is sold for 1.5k, so this one would be like 1.7 to 2k. Now I’ll wait for a sig employee to convince me to buy this over a Shadow 2...
@@TheHumbleMarksman Not I, I could never stand the P320. It didn't feel good in my hand, it felt too tight underneath the trigger guard. The AXG Pro, Scorpion, and X Five solved that and I am a huge fan of those three in particular. Heading to the range in a few to run some rounds through my new babies.
I'm torn between a Glock 17 MOS and X5 Legion for Production Optics. I would consider a 34 MOS but I shoot IPSC Production Optics, not USPSA Carry Optics. You shoot your Glocks very well, I'm hoping I can do the same. I'm admittedly a bit recoil sensitive and enjoy how a 40 oz. steel gun kicks less than a 25 oz. polymer gun... but I also hear transition speed is a big plus with lighter polymer guns, which is something I'd like to take advantage of. Well, the idea of it sounds badass to me, at least. Anyway, your vids have made me want to pick up a Glock again for a good while now. We'll see. If anything, I'm hoping the 17 MOS will be a nice intro to the division.
I really like the Sig legion honestly. I think it’s weight is better suited to the division. I personally have an easier time being precise with a heavy gun than a light one - the times are equal but precision is better with the heavy one
@@lon242 yes, potentially. When that is - I don't know. How I have my guns set up suit me well enough. When I'm to the point of considering a new practice gun I may look at just moving platforms. I'm sure there will be a new hotness by then.
Have you shot your CZ steel frames recently enough to make a comparison to the X-Five legion? I would be interested to know your opinion on the steel-frame + low bore axis vs tungsten poly + high bore axis with regard to recoil control/muzzle flip. I've owned a P-320 (non-x-five) before and didn't care for the super high bore axis: it just felt like the odd man out next to my P-10 and Glock platforms, so I sold it. When the legion came out and there was the July $200 Sig store credit (maybe, it was confusing) for being a legion, I almost bought one. Held it in my hand, loved the weight, the contours, but the familiar 'staring at the back plate when aiming' convinced me to stick with the P-10 lineup.
I had the P10F and ran it in a few USPSA production and carry optics matches. You can't go wrong with it. I sold it to buy the sig 320 x5 legion and just like this guy says, run what you got, a different pistol isn't going to make you better. I shoot it just as well as my P10. The only advantage the SIG has is the weight helps keep me from getting fatigued as quickly shooting 500rnds or more. Both are equally accurate out to 200yds and I am able to run them both at about the same speed.
Only if you smash the mag into the well. BTW if you do chew up the magwell opening, all it takes is a bit of sandpaper and a few minutes and it’s good to go. I bought a X5 used and the well was chewed up. I sanded it and showed it to the previous owner a few days later and he couldn’t believe it was the same gun. Start with 600 grit then 800 then 1000 and it’s smooth and ready for more!
Considering the added weight from the tungsten, how would you compare this to the cz shadows you used to shoot in regard to recoil management and control?
@@TheHumbleMarksman :) I found the opposite as I was quite disappointed with my purchase of the Legion. Maybe I have small girl hands that wear a medium glove, and Cajun GW gave me a killer deal on their first prototype optics S2 slide and I now can manipulate the S2 slide using the uhhhhhh optic (I really didn’t say that, but I’m old and have arthur pretty bad in my hands). Edit: I bought the Wilson Combat grip module and it was so S2, & 1911 like I thought this will do it & was all bliss. WRONG !!, but still may be something I can work with and with our ammo issues at the moment, it going to take longer cause I’m not shooting up my stash, and I need 5K of primers and 2K of bullits !! So I’m in the process of reducing the “circumference” of the upper 1/3rd of the Legion grip and am almost there, but still shoot the S2 a hellavalot better so far. (I’m thinking bore axis and trigger) I can fix the trigger, but not the bore axis that I know of. :). What’s crazy is I bought it for the easy slide manipulation, and maybe a 10th of a sec @ the beep cus of the DA trigger. I’ll be happy when the ammo BS will be over!! Oh, how many times do you have to answer, “how the optic was mounted” and dammit, I forgot what the other repetitive question asked. Don’t these people read? You are a good, “Humble” and gracious man. :). I’m gonna hafta join your Patreon.
Nice gun but I won’t buy it, the “poors” are the ones maxing out their cabelas card trying to by this thing lol. I used to love SIG now it’s just a gimmicky gun company.
Oh, yeah. You’re the guy I’ve been waiting for to review this pistol. Thanks.
You’re very kind - hope it delivered for you
You sound really sarcastic lol
No sarcasm intended. I like the guy's reviews.@@2AlphaCrew
@@daibando9893 lol I guess I just read your comment with heavy sarcasm 😂 my bad.
I really wanted to like the stock X5 with Romeo1 that I purchased a few months back with the goal of trying carry optics division just for a change. To be honest I was disappointed a relegated it to my safe after one range session. Recently, I did the tungsten infused frame upgrade to my existing X5, installed a gray guns curved (generally not a fan of flat triggers unless in a 2011) competition trigger. and tungsten guide rod and gas pedal. Trigger weight Is now averaging 3lb 2oz and has a feel that I didn't think possible with a striker file pistol. In terms of being fun to shoot... It's honestly 'apporaching' the CZ TS Orange and not too far off an Atlas 2011. Incredible. Returns to zero with no effort. Sig nailed it with the new frame! .. and the trigger helped immensely. My understanding is that the Legion trigger is on par with the gray guns. Never thought I'd find a 'polymer' striker fire pistol that I actually enjoy shooting but this thing is the real deal.
The legion is a super nice gun and you basically made yourself one there
I’m not a competition shooter, but I do have one and really, really like it. Thank you for another well done and informative review. Cheers!
It’s a really great gun
I'm going out on a limb here and say this guy is "an actual competition shooter".
I pretend to be and sometimes look the part so that counts I guess!
Lol the moment you said "flex on the poors" i was hooked. Good review man!
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I own a Sig Sauer P320 X Five. I concur with all you said. Your review is appreciated, David 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Excellent review. Thanks for pointing that out about the hole for the loaded chamber indicator and issues with optics.
You had me at "Flex on the poors"
It's an important part of gear selection.
@@TheHumbleMarksman
Good vid I also have a 320 legion not one issue very good gun have you shot +p+ ammo through yours
I bought this gun right before the buy/sell ban kicked in Canada. I paid up for it too as all handgun prices had almost doubled even on crap models. So I had to fork over 1600 Canadian for it…yes ouch….and I didn’t even get a damn coin cuz they ran out and were not offering them to foreign suppliers…so that pissed me off. I gotta say I LOVE THIS GUN. It makes me a better shooter than I am with other guns. The Dawson sights are awesome. The 1911 recoil springs also make a huge difference. Yes it could use a trigger job and will eventually get one. They finally did configure it for the Romeo 1 pro , Deltapoint pro and I believe the Trijicon RMR. Those are all 7-900 purchases up here so it will be awhile before I can afford to put one on. Ideally I would love to keep the iron sights on but not sure if that’s possible. I thought watching your review from 5 years ago they did manage to clean up a couple issues but you were pretty bang on with your assessment of it. Really enjoying your content and review style. 😬👍👍
Definitely a comfortable pistol to shoot and easy to shoot fast. But the rolly break made it harder for me to shoot it accurately (slow fire bullseye style).
Shouldn't it be easier since one is less likely to flinch? Just hold the gun still and be surprised when it inevitably breaks?
@@paddypibblet846 in slow fire bullseye shooting I prefer to know EXACTLY when the trigger will break. When shooting off-hand (not from a bench or rest), the pistol is never 100% still - there’s a “circle of uncertainty” that the sights tend to make over the target. Breaking the shot just as the sight passes over the center is the goal. A perfect score on a B8 target requires all 10 shots to be in the 10 ring (2 inch diameter) form 25, 50 and even 100 yards. If multiple shooters all score 100 points, it comes down to who’s got the most hits in the “X” ring (1 inch diameter). That’s not easy to do with an unpredictable trigger.
For USPSA/IPSC or IDPA the P320 trigger is great. I just don’t prefer it for really precise shots.
Nice review, thanks. I appreciate your perspective on things.
Thanks for watching
can't find a 320 Max so going to get one of these
Nicely Done Review, Carry On
Thanks for watching!
You get a thumbs up for the shirt sir! Aloha from Hawaii!
My old company had a Honolulu office I got to go to a few times - you guys have it figured out over there!
Enjoy your channel. Great info and very well presented.
Thanks for watching - Cheers.
Annnnnnndddddddd I bought mine today and waiting for it to show up at the local gun store 🇺🇸 great review
Congrats man - I'm sure you'll love it. They're great guns.
TheHumbleMarksman thanks! Lucky the newer batch of X5 Legions don’t have that window.
I went from the X5 to the CZ P10F. They are both fantastic, but I think the trigger in the CZ P10F is better and the grip fits my hand much better. Do you have any experience with the optics ready CZ P10F? Have you reviewed?
I am going to be reviewing a P10FOR in the next month or so. I have shot one previously but not with the medium blackstrap I would need. The guy who’s gun I shot was with a large backstrap and it’s contoured really weird
Ok as someone who admits I don’t know enough about Sig P320 and their multitude of configurations… how does the x5 legion compare to the P320 max? I watched both videos and it seems the main difference is that the 320Max comes with the optic and some logos? Is that about it or am I missing something?
Thank you in advance for clarification and forgive my ignorance 😂 🙏
Just bought mine yesterday....first Sig I have owned....I know it won't make me any better, but has me excited to put in the work...Sounds like I need to get an instagram account going now....
Will help you hit for sure- laser beam accurate
I love my x5 legion. My favorite gun. About to throw on a grey guns competition trigger for the upcoming uspsa season
Awesome review Sir !!!!!!!!!
Thanks!
Hey, I supposed you were located in Georgia since you mentioned Ga Firing Line once. Where did you go for that
outdoor firing range. I’m in Cobb... this is a great review. I’m looking for pistols wit( steel components, as opposed to
Polymer, plastic, or alloy. I’m trying to get used to alloy pistols but I still enjoy a steel gun. You know how it is with
those 1911 guys. Thanks.
That’s the Dallas Pistol Club- I live in Dallas as of about a year ago. Creekside Range is probably closest to you for a decent outdoor range
Lol loved the intro roasting SIG sticker fans
Nice review , now what the heck I'm gonna talk about ? You said it all. Lol
You should definitely make the video- I think it’s great when guys legitimately using gear put info out as opposed to dabblers who will never holster the gun
One thing to add, you forgot to mention the flexibility of getting conversion kits to transfer the FCU too. (ie: turning into a compact sized gun to carry or shooting IDPA/CCP)
I wouldn’t buy this gun specifically to change frames - I would buy a different P320 that cost less. The frame is a big reason why you buy the gun
@@TheHumbleMarksman just saying it's an added benefit and possible selling point, if you haven't already bought into the P320 line up.
On point review....I’m not even a fan of Sig as of late but that was good stuff.
It’s not a bad gun to be sure
Excellent review.
Thanks for watching
My wife liked of the grips of this gun and q5, but the sigs high bore axis and the hearing that the q5 is snappy, I dont want to give my feelings towards her decision. She has shot cz p10 and glock 34 and prefers the others listed.
What gun would you point a smaller handed person towards?
Thanks
I think the Walther and this gun are good for medium/ small hands. The Canik has a pretty small grip but is basically the same as a walther. P10 with the small backstrap is pretty small and the new M2.0 CORE from s&W can get pretty small in hand.
The P10 or the M2 would be my pick for a small handed person
@@TheHumbleMarksman new 2.0 CORE? since when?
T R it’s in the hands of LEOs now it will be on the civilian market really soon. Austin PD already has them
TheHumbleMarksman There are LEO’s that don’t use Glocks?? Rare birds, I guess.
You mentioned your buddy did a polish job on trigger? Can you do a video on the areas done? Also did he debur the gun or were you meaning it was a debur design from Sig and nothing needs to be deburred? Nice review!
He got the Sig Armorer (he has a website) to do it. I don’t know much about the guts of P320s to comment
nice review! did you have to use an optic adapter plate to get your optic to sit closer to the rear of the slide? i'm not sure if it has to do with the type of red-dot optic. have a Delta Point pro and it doesn't mount flush to the rear.
Nice review. Time will tell, specifically the grip module. But being far more familiar with the Glock in competition, I will keep the G34 G5.
I didn’t see anything that made me want to leave Glock
My buddy has the legion. I’m really not a fan. The trigger doesn’t have a defined wall. That bugs me. High bore axis. 👎 Trigger reset is trash compared to my Canik (best striker fire triggers ever). And… it’s an ugly pistol. And yeah that matters. But…. Some people like it. So whatever. I’ll stick with my Rival (not arch-rival) and my shadow2. Good review though. Question… would you choose this over the either rival or shadow 2?
I know it had a trigger polished job done but what exactly where it was polished to drop trigger pull can you show a video ?
Ron Cameleon it was done by the Sig Armorer professionally - unfortunately I know zero about P320 actions
Nice video- don’t know how long ago this Video was made but did you know who did the rmr cut or was the sro mounted on a plate attachment like springer precision ?
Jim Sanders direct milled by the Sig Armorer
If you happen to see this, can you please let me know where he had that slide milled for the SRO
The Sig Armorer did it
The newest version does not have the witness hole in the hood of the barrel
I will rock my Glock 34 for competition. Sig is a nice gun.
Same
So what would you guys do x5 for 750 or a shadow 2 for 1000 ? Buying a new gun and I can get them for those prices used of course .. is the shadow 2 250 bucks better then x5? I’m leaning towards the x5 but always wanted a shadow 2 .. plus I wear size med gloves so that’s one of the reasons
I think that was you on Insta - but Legion.
I can't wait to shoot mine but I will admit this video was a bit of a buzz kill. At the end of the day there are a lot of good options and non of them standout enough to offer a substantial advantage from a gear perspective.
It’s a fantastic gun - to be certain
One thing im not sure was addressed is comparison in costs of total setup versus most other rigs. The $ per value what you get out of this thing stock out of the box pretty much blows the pants off anything in the industry. If it suits you, which is the most important thing.
Where can I get the BLANK ft sight filler plate?
Excellent info
Awesome content. In another video you mentioned that you prefer the glock 34, but for beginners you still recommend the Sig P320 X5 Legion. Could you expand on why? Is it just because it's setup ready to go out of the box? Or do particular characteristics of the Sig make it a better gun to learn on?
The Glock grip and trigger is harder to manipulate correctly - and if you use the grip for cues on how to hold it - you'll be wrong. The Sig is more intuitive and easier to shoot accurately without dedicated practice.
Where do I find one of those front sight blanks you have on there?
My buddy made one by cutting off a Dawson plain steel front sight then filing it down and bluing it
Hi humble. Can you please tell me where you found the front sight delete. Thanks !
He bought a black front sight from Dawson precision and ground it down to just be a plate
TheHumbleMarksman thank you !! I was looking everywhere !!!!
Great video
We need to build a CO squad at M160
Is the front sight dovetail filler custom made, or is it available somewhere?
He bought a Dawson black front sight and cut it off and ground it smooth
I am starting the path... as in right now looking at a club to join.
Will try to get my hands on this and a cz shadow 2 (OR maybe)...want to hit targets and do IPSC. What should I be looking for when trying those 2 out
I am doing a comparison on those two guns right now - videos within a week
@@TheHumbleMarksman I have a bit of tine.
In Australia...it takes about 2 years after being in a club to purchase your own.
Trying to decide on this vs the p10f for my first production gun and I’m stuck, which would you choose? I was sold on the Legion until I watched a few videos and it seems like the gun doesn’t shoot any more flat than its competitors due to bore axis, god I wish Sig would catch on because otherwise it would be a perfect gun.
P10F seems pretty cool- if you can weight about 2 weeks I will have a review on that as well
TheHumbleMarksman I’ll hold off and see what your opinion on that is thanks for letting me know
Are you getting any hot gas using the SRO? I’m using the DPP on mine.
The way he got the optic mounted moved it all the way back so the lens sits as far back as it can- so no he doesn’t have issues with it
Good review! Made me laugh, too!
I do what I can! Thanks for watching!
Did you have to use an adapter plate for the Trijicon SRO? If so what type and where did you get it?
He got the slide milled to accept the SRO by the Sig Armorer
All I want to know is as a competition shooter would you buy it?
Texas Teacher me personally - no. I am at a level that it doesn’t bring me anything over my current platform other than weight. If I didn’t have a gun it’d be at the top of the list
@@TheHumbleMarksman what is your current platform?
@@jjgriffin3275 Glock 34 gen 5
I'm a new shooter wanting to enter uspsa carry optics. Price wise would I be better off with an x5 with romeo1 and grip mod for $1200 (4 21 round mags) or x5 legion with Deltapoint pro for $1350 (only 3 17 round mags)? Being new, not sure how much of a game changer the better trigger would be. Would really like to know if the romeo1pro is going to be better than the deltapoint pro.
So the 21 rounders do not fit the case gauge for 141.25 mm magazines - you are going to have to sand the base pad a bit or get an aftermarket one from springer Precision etc. so be aware of that. I think either way is viable depending if you want to basically do a payment program on assembling an XFive or get the legion out of the gate. You are probably going to want to do the guide rod (tungsten), and the spring kit at a minimum. If you ever decide to sell it the legion will command a better price than a X5 with parts
I nearly put a bit in this video about the 21 rounders but cut it since this gun doesn’t ship with those.
@@TheHumbleMarksman I did notice the legion comes with a steel guide rod. Would an x5 turned legion with the tungsten guide rod be too heavy for carry optic rules? If so and I decide the payment plan option I may opt for the steel guide rod so I wouldnt have the extra (4x the cost) tungsten guide rod sitting around. Thank you for the help.
Kevin Tiemann this gun with a proper tuned up mag will be about 42.5 oz- so the Lee is space for tungsten. The affect of a couple oz in a 40 oz gun is not as apparent as a 30oz gun but it does help
Finally I find a competition centric review on this "competition" gun...lol. As intrigued as I've been with this the q5 and the Canik to me none seem to shoot flatter than the Glock. Really dig the recoil comparison footage from a real shooter! I think you just saved me 900. Being so heavily invested in Glock/s and parts I'm guessing I'm not gaining much over a optic milled 17 with a good trigger and 13lb recoil spring?
if you can shoot a glock fluently - I wouldn't change. If you didn't have either - the Legion is easier to learn on.
What plate adaptor did you use?
Good review. Do you know what the prefix "sub" means?
I Relistened to this to see if I misused it - got sick of me saying $990? Lol
@@TheHumbleMarksman I was talking about the trigger weight.
Ok. So you can use a magwell in carry optics? Like as in the Walther Q5 SF pro magwell would be legal? USPSA.
No - bolt on magwells are illegal.
Ok. So if the magwell is cut into the gun grip from the factory it is OK? See my buddy PopsQuest is shooting all these optic pistols now I am thing about moving out of Revolver , Single Stack and limited 10 because no one shoots them anymore. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Question what is your preference: P320 XFIVE LEGION V PERFORMANCE CENTER® M&P®9 M2.0™ CRIMSON TRACE® RED DOT OPTIC?
I don't trust any crimson trace dot yet - I'd rather buy a quality one I knew would work. I haven't shot the smith yet - they're very good but I don't know that they would topple the legion.
@@TheHumbleMarksman Thank You :-) I am not attached the the stock Crimson Red Dot. Exploring the Holosun? 508 or 509? Recently shot two handguns: 1) The S&W M&P 2.0 Springfield Compact, loved the grip and the surprised I liked the trigger; 2) Sig P365 Xl, had a hard time getting comforable with the grip and the trigger left me with no memory good or bad. robertashburner@gmail.com I look forward to your thoughts and any review of the S&P 2.0 M&P 9mm Core. Also greatly appreciate your content TY
Hello Sir, I have the normal x5 which mount do I use with SRO?
On the new ones they should mount direct
C&h makes a plate for rmr/sro
I was close to buying one to replace my G17 for carry optics. High B shooter. Now I don't think it's going to be worth the upgrade.
it's a decent gun and really easy to shoot accurately. If you're accurate with your glocks and have good technique - it's not a wildly different experience.
Do you have a good duty holster for the X5?
Does Safariland not make one?
Does it bounce cases off the optic?
I didn’t observe any issues with it
Do you know who modified the slide to accept the SRO?
The Sig Armorer
I love this pistol, but sadly I live in Italy, which means they don’t even import this model, and even the X5 “not legion” that they import is sold for 1.5k, so this one would be like 1.7 to 2k. Now I’ll wait for a sig employee to convince me to buy this over a Shadow 2...
I wouldn't spend more money to shoot this pistol over a shadow / shadow 2.
TheHumbleMarksman exactly, all sigs being imported here cost a lot. And in my opinion they’re not worth double glocks and m&ps.
I am the worst kind of Sig fan boy, bought the AXG Pro last month and today picked up both the Legion X Five and AXG Scorpion! Haha!
I am a big fan of the P320
@@TheHumbleMarksman Not I, I could never stand the P320. It didn't feel good in my hand, it felt too tight underneath the trigger guard. The AXG Pro, Scorpion, and X Five solved that and I am a huge fan of those three in particular. Heading to the range in a few to run some rounds through my new babies.
Good content
Thanks!
I'm torn between a Glock 17 MOS and X5 Legion for Production Optics. I would consider a 34 MOS but I shoot IPSC Production Optics, not USPSA Carry Optics. You shoot your Glocks very well, I'm hoping I can do the same. I'm admittedly a bit recoil sensitive and enjoy how a 40 oz. steel gun kicks less than a 25 oz. polymer gun... but I also hear transition speed is a big plus with lighter polymer guns, which is something I'd like to take advantage of. Well, the idea of it sounds badass to me, at least.
Anyway, your vids have made me want to pick up a Glock again for a good while now. We'll see. If anything, I'm hoping the 17 MOS will be a nice intro to the division.
I really like the Sig legion honestly. I think it’s weight is better suited to the division. I personally have an easier time being precise with a heavy gun than a light one - the times are equal but precision is better with the heavy one
Huh, interesting. Do you see yourself switching to a heavier gun in the near future?
@@lon242 yes, potentially. When that is - I don't know. How I have my guns set up suit me well enough. When I'm to the point of considering a new practice gun I may look at just moving platforms. I'm sure there will be a new hotness by then.
Sounds good, I know you'll keep us updated...
Have you shot your CZ steel frames recently enough to make a comparison to the X-Five legion? I would be interested to know your opinion on the steel-frame + low bore axis vs tungsten poly + high bore axis with regard to recoil control/muzzle flip. I've owned a P-320 (non-x-five) before and didn't care for the super high bore axis: it just felt like the odd man out next to my P-10 and Glock platforms, so I sold it. When the legion came out and there was the July $200 Sig store credit (maybe, it was confusing) for being a legion, I almost bought one. Held it in my hand, loved the weight, the contours, but the familiar 'staring at the back plate when aiming' convinced me to stick with the P-10 lineup.
I shot my buddies TSO in 40 - it’s a similar experience
I had the P10F and ran it in a few USPSA production and carry optics matches. You can't go wrong with it.
I sold it to buy the sig 320 x5 legion and just like this guy says, run what you got, a different pistol isn't going to make you better.
I shoot it just as well as my P10. The only advantage the SIG has is the weight helps keep me from getting fatigued as quickly shooting 500rnds or more.
Both are equally accurate out to 200yds and I am able to run them both at about the same speed.
May i ask how did you mount the SRO?thanks
The gunsmith who works on Max Michel’s Guns did it- The Sig Armorer
Hi, who did the modification that allowed the SRO to fit?
The Sig Armorer
@@TheHumbleMarksman Thanks, I just purchased a Sig p320 x5 Legion. Would you recommend that optic? I'm just getting into the sport.
When are u gonna review the p320 max?
In a few weeks
@@TheHumbleMarksman thank u for ur hard work 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Do Glock frames get chewed up like this Sig frame does?
Only if you smash the mag into the well. BTW if you do chew up the magwell opening, all it takes is a bit of sandpaper and a few minutes and it’s good to go. I bought a X5 used and the well was chewed up. I sanded it and showed it to the previous owner a few days later and he couldn’t believe it was the same gun. Start with 600 grit then 800 then 1000 and it’s smooth and ready for more!
Yes- the picture I put in of my magwells were all glocks. When it gets too bad you can buy replacement lowers for like 200$
how did you mount the SRO onto it?
had it modified by the Sig Armorer.
Light mushy trigger?
A bit.
Anybody know where I can get that front sight dovetail cover???
he bought a front sight and took a grinder to it.
@@TheHumbleMarksman thank you!
What is your match gun?
A 34g5 with racing trim
Hi, no plate needed to mount the SRO?
he had the slide modified to accept the Trijicon by The Sig Armorer.
@@TheHumbleMarksman Thank you!!
Do you think it's a good home defense gun?
If you have excellent trigger discipline - sure. If you don’t then maybe something with a heavier trigger
How was the ledge modified to accept the SRO? I’d go ahead with one of these if I could set it up with the SRO.
It was milled to accept an SRO by the Sig Armorer - he also did the trigger work
Nice to know there is enough material to manage that.
What would you say is the best way to get into shooting sports?
Like which gun or just how to go about it?
@@TheHumbleMarksman how to get started learning.
I bought the sig x5. Haven't picked it up yet. Wondering if I should go with a glock 34 or m&p pro series instead.
Hey you been working out? You're looking jacked
Getting back into it - more interested in cutting weight these days for speed!
You said that carry optics allows the use of mag wells, they don't.
He said IDPA Carry Optics, they allow magwells.
Yeah magwells are legal in IDPA Carry Optics.
Yes they do !!! Same rules as ESP but with a Optic...
I have one on order, I’m just getting into shooting sports so it should work fine for me
It’ll do great
The worse part of it is it doesn't take glock magazines .
What??????? )
@@ckim6400 haha
A shame to be sure
Where did you buddy get the mount from?
he got it modified by the Sig Armorer - it's direct milled.
I came for the "full disclosure." I left disappointed. I will now call you, "Garand Middle Finger."
My stock glock trigger is faster than my 320 RX. Wish I had the X trigger. Haters gon hate!
Yeah glocks have pretty fast triggers
Considering the added weight from the tungsten, how would you compare this to the cz shadows you used to shoot in regard to recoil management and control?
Shadow 2s flipped less and shadow 1s did too but they aren’t wildly different. Easier to shoot the Sig due to ergos and trigger shape
@@TheHumbleMarksman :) I found the opposite as I was quite disappointed with my purchase of the Legion. Maybe I have small girl hands that wear a medium glove, and Cajun GW gave me a killer deal on their first prototype optics S2 slide and I now can manipulate the S2 slide using the uhhhhhh optic (I really didn’t say that, but I’m old and have arthur pretty bad in my hands). Edit: I bought the Wilson Combat grip module and it was so S2, & 1911 like I thought this will do it & was all bliss. WRONG !!, but still may be something I can work with and with our ammo issues at the moment, it going to take longer cause I’m not shooting up my stash, and I need 5K of primers and 2K of bullits !! So I’m in the process of reducing the “circumference” of the upper 1/3rd of the Legion grip and am almost there, but still shoot the S2 a hellavalot better so far. (I’m thinking bore axis and trigger) I can fix the trigger, but not the bore axis that I know of. :). What’s crazy is I bought it for the easy slide manipulation, and maybe a 10th of a sec @ the beep cus of the DA trigger. I’ll be happy when the ammo BS will be over!!
Oh, how many times do you have to answer, “how the optic was mounted” and dammit, I forgot what the other repetitive question asked. Don’t these people read? You are a good, “Humble” and gracious man. :). I’m gonna hafta join your Patreon.
I regret not getting the Glock 34... I own the Glock 40 but that’s not a competition pistol
the 40 is pretty cool though!
You can get them for 899 not 990
The price I quoted was from Grabagun - I usually just grab Buds or Grabagun to quote pricing
you're master level, right? uspa?
Yes- though that shooting doesn’t look like it lol
@@TheHumbleMarksman some of your gopro vids are ridiculous, from the first person.
Yeah it’s deceptive - the 3rd person truly tells the tale but sometimes the 1st person just looks insane
I put ambidextrous triggers and sights on all my guns.
How forward thinking of you
love the sarcasm (in reference to "the coin" and the legion mailing list). lol
How this 900 dollars i us and 1700 dollars in europe 😫😫 u lucky in us
Gee you can’t tell you don’t like the sig 320 let me guess you shoot a Glock in competition
If you watched this video and you don’t think I like this gun then you are doing it wrong
Nice gun but I won’t buy it, the “poors” are the ones maxing out their cabelas card trying to by this thing lol. I used to love SIG now it’s just a gimmicky gun company.
They are pushing product just to create buzz it seems - it's all half baked when launched.
Loader indcator good for us that don’t be matching competition bullshitt
You just use competition guns for stuff they weren’t and shouldn’t be designed for - got it
What is your match gun?
I a match gun fluid. In the past year it’s been a Glock 34g5, a LTT 92GRDO, a SA XDM E OSP, and looks like now a Bul SAS II UR