i dont think there is a point in comparing them because pursuit is a main dps tower that is used to shred bosses where as ace is used to carry early to mid game and as a secondary dps tower in the late game
so one thing I will say looking at the comments, I may have prasied ace a little too much. Ace is good for early ONLY if it's path hit as many zombies as possible, and Pursuit isn't bad, I put it in A tier because I feel it can be replaced by many other DPS towers, but so can Ace. There isn't really a clear winner, they both serve their purposes. But with the possible incosistancies from flight paths only makes these towers good if they are placed in the right spot. They are both hip and cool idk what to say, use Ace if you know how to place it right, and use Pursuit if you know how to place it right. But tbh there are better alternitives.
Pursuit may lose in CE (cost efficency) but in dps and others. Overall,pursuit is better.You might say ace is good at early defense. Now you said Pursuit can replaced by other DPS towers, but think again.Ace can be replaced by other early defense towers. Also, CE doesn't really that matter on mid - late towers.And as I just said, pursuit has more dps. So overall pursuit is the winner. Or is it? Well if you look at pursuits targeting,it may miss some fast enemies. But still pursuit is better (my opinion)
I think they should add something to Pursuit: when he lock in a enemy and another enemy runs by, Pursuit should go after that enemy instantly and, well, PURSUIT it
Ace wont always be dealing damage sadly. Both are very good towers, but theyre not really comparable since they do very different things. Pursuit excels at single target, while ace is more for general dps. Both can completely fail against fast enemies, thats the only similarity.
Pursuit rn is only really good for wave 40/50, due to it stun resistance, u could use it as a sub dps, but I'd rather use smth like engi, ranger or g mini instead, for more stable dps, but pursuit is a really solid choice for a boss shredder tower, as it has accel dps and range, and it also can't be stunned
@@NicuApostol-el5oe with charge it is in fact 280, 360 with commander, while pursuit has 240 dps with commander, and including no dps decreases bc of stuns(even with medic accel will be recharging much more bc of stuns) therefore unless it is boss with small stuns like molten boss or fallen king, u will get same if not higher dps than accel for pursuit
I think you forgot to put the circling motion of ace into account as it doesn't always get to deal damage against a single enemy, unless you put it in a circle like those in pw2 AND the path must be full of enemies, it will never get to deal the damage that it dps states, and even with all these "what ifs" it still isnt dealing his dps on a single target, the reason his dps to cost ratio seems so good is just to compensate with the circling motion of not attacking all of the time. So realistically it would be A tier, it was S for a long while but it got pretty big nerfs especially with the upgrade costs some time ago and that made it fall off, still a good tower, but although people say it is underrated, i would actually say it is overrated because people never put the tower's mechanic interacting with the stated dps into account which made it seem too good for the cost. Dont get me wrong, its a very good tower and i would recommend everyone to get it if they are new, but newer players never seem to be able to place them correctly and with the amount of content creators sugarcoating its effectiveness, it is actually doing way less than what a lot of people think it would do, so i will have to say it is overrated. Also since ace flies in a clockwise motion, i would recommend people to place it to circle paths that make the enemies go in a anticlockwise motion, especially with quicker enemies and at earlier levels, the ace at earlier levels fly very slow, which means if the enemies go in the exact same speed or faster than the ace and they are not in range, the ace will never get to hit them, which can be quite frustrating especially if you use ace as your early defence. People probably wont read all of it but i just needed to point out these major flaws and some tips to use the ace more effectively.
Honestly money isn’t really a big problem for late game towers. By the time their main purpose which is late game happens people who know what they are doing would easily have all eight max farms. The best example of this is accelerator with its outrageous cost but pretty easily obtained with max farms and DJ. Pursuit takes win overall imo. Ace pilot is better for intermediate players who don’t know how to maximize their farms with amazing efficiency.
2:29 using CE to measure value works for just about every tower BUT ace and pursuit ace. if ace acted like a regular tower with 117 CE, it'd be absolutely busted. after the lunar overture nerf ace is much more niche but still very viable for hardcore, and pursuit is overall a great dps, especially in solo when you don't have a slot for medic
I personally don't use ace anymore becouse there are better towers for early game, also dps cost ratio SHOULDN'T be deciding factor, keep in mind that pursuit was used in multiple solo hardcore triumph strats while ace pilot wasnt't included in any
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pursuit is way better tbh there are better alternatives to early game defences then ace and it kinda falls off in mid game since you can get other stuff also the map you chose triggers me bc imo you should never place a ace like that (ace should be coming infront in the zombies not from the back)
Pursuit is only, and only good for wave 40/50, since it's effectively accel with a stun resistance and even worse targeting issues than accel, so it barely has any use in mid game except killing lead ballons, it easily gets outclassed by mini/ranger, which require significantly less grind than lvl100
Ok we get it, pursuit too expensive, pursuit harder to obtain, pursuit no hidden detection, pursuit have terrible targetting and ace pilot more cheaper, easier to obtain, hidden detection along with giving hidden detection for the start of a wave, and the fact it has the fastest firerate along golden soldier even pairs better with commander since it goes down 0.04s.
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pursuit is S teir, although ace has double the cost efficency it rarely can hit enimies on half of its flight path, pursuit is way better
i dont think there is a point in comparing them because pursuit is a main dps tower that is used to shred bosses where as ace is used to carry early to mid game and as a secondary dps tower in the late game
I refuse to believe Ace is bad, nothing you say will prove me wrong…
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LEVEL 100 TOWER VS HELICOPTER WHO WOULD WIN?.????
thats pursuit vs pursuit?
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I truly love it when electro shocker jumps and glides on his stun gun making him better than these 2
Hidden detection is the main difference.
Rework gave it hidden detec.
so one thing I will say looking at the comments, I may have prasied ace a little too much.
Ace is good for early ONLY if it's path hit as many zombies as possible, and Pursuit isn't bad, I put it in A tier because I feel it can be replaced by many other DPS towers, but so can Ace.
There isn't really a clear winner, they both serve their purposes. But with the possible incosistancies from flight paths only makes these towers good if they are placed in the right spot.
They are both hip and cool idk what to say, use Ace if you know how to place it right, and use Pursuit if you know how to place it right. But tbh there are better alternitives.
Pursuit may lose in CE (cost efficency) but in dps and others. Overall,pursuit is better.You might say ace is good at early defense. Now you said Pursuit can replaced by other DPS towers, but think again.Ace can be replaced by other early defense towers. Also, CE doesn't really that matter on mid - late towers.And as I just said, pursuit has more dps. So overall pursuit is the winner. Or is it? Well if you look at pursuits targeting,it may miss some fast enemies. But still pursuit is better (my opinion)
I think they should add something to Pursuit: when he lock in a enemy and another enemy runs by, Pursuit should go after that enemy instantly and, well, PURSUIT it
Maybe change it so that pursuit actually pursues the first enemy in its range (like in btd6) instead of circling around and stopping on an enemy
@@loannguyenthithanh6456it would be way too op
Ace wont always be dealing damage sadly.
Both are very good towers, but theyre not really comparable since they do very different things. Pursuit excels at single target, while ace is more for general dps. Both can completely fail against fast enemies, thats the only similarity.
Pursuit rn is only really good for wave 40/50, due to it stun resistance, u could use it as a sub dps, but I'd rather use smth like engi, ranger or g mini instead, for more stable dps, but pursuit is a really solid choice for a boss shredder tower, as it has accel dps and range, and it also can't be stunned
Pursuit with 169 dps
While accel with 500+ dps
@@NicuApostol-el5oe ur iq must be 500+ too if u think accel has no overcharge
Without charge its 500+
With charge its 300+
@@NicuApostol-el5oewithout commander the dps is 200+
@@NicuApostol-el5oe with charge it is in fact 280, 360 with commander, while pursuit has 240 dps with commander, and including no dps decreases bc of stuns(even with medic accel will be recharging much more bc of stuns) therefore unless it is boss with small stuns like molten boss or fallen king, u will get same if not higher dps than accel for pursuit
I think you forgot to put the circling motion of ace into account as it doesn't always get to deal damage against a single enemy, unless you put it in a circle like those in pw2 AND the path must be full of enemies, it will never get to deal the damage that it dps states, and even with all these "what ifs" it still isnt dealing his dps on a single target, the reason his dps to cost ratio seems so good is just to compensate with the circling motion of not attacking all of the time.
So realistically it would be A tier, it was S for a long while but it got pretty big nerfs especially with the upgrade costs some time ago and that made it fall off, still a good tower, but although people say it is underrated, i would actually say it is overrated because people never put the tower's mechanic interacting with the stated dps into account which made it seem too good for the cost.
Dont get me wrong, its a very good tower and i would recommend everyone to get it if they are new, but newer players never seem to be able to place them correctly and with the amount of content creators sugarcoating its effectiveness, it is actually doing way less than what a lot of people think it would do, so i will have to say it is overrated.
Also since ace flies in a clockwise motion, i would recommend people to place it to circle paths that make the enemies go in a anticlockwise motion, especially with quicker enemies and at earlier levels, the ace at earlier levels fly very slow, which means if the enemies go in the exact same speed or faster than the ace and they are not in range, the ace will never get to hit them, which can be quite frustrating especially if you use ace as your early defence.
People probably wont read all of it but i just needed to point out these major flaws and some tips to use the ace more effectively.
ace pilot dps is intentionally that good because ace pilot doesn't consistently perform at that dps value, but pursuit does
Honestly money isn’t really a big problem for late game towers. By the time their main purpose which is late game happens people who know what they are doing would easily have all eight max farms. The best example of this is accelerator with its outrageous cost but pretty easily obtained with max farms and DJ. Pursuit takes win overall imo. Ace pilot is better for intermediate players who don’t know how to maximize their farms with amazing efficiency.
Pursuit is underused its just an accel but slightly less reliable
2:29 using CE to measure value works for just about every tower BUT ace and pursuit ace. if ace acted like a regular tower with 117 CE, it'd be absolutely busted. after the lunar overture nerf ace is much more niche but still very viable for hardcore, and pursuit is overall a great dps, especially in solo when you don't have a slot for medic
Max level ace pilot looks similar to the J31 gyrfalcon
It looks much more similar to the F22 raptor for me
Only true legends use ace and pursuit in the same loudout
Bro they nerfed ace pilot so hard to the point where you cant get lost Souls no more….
I personally don't use ace anymore becouse there are better towers for early game, also dps cost ratio SHOULDN'T be deciding factor, keep in mind that pursuit was used in multiple solo hardcore triumph strats while ace pilot wasnt't included in any
I usually use pursuit fir speedrun quest because yes but ace is pretty good
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Bro why
@@leonardotrujillo8661 hehehehaw
This aged even better.
Crazy how Pursuit can't even do the thing it's named after right.
But… it literally does
One time, Pursuit pursuited on those errors that leaked in my tds match, it was cool to see him do his job
If pursuit had the cost efficiency of ace pilot than pursuit would be OP
pursuit is way better tbh
there are better alternatives to early game defences then ace and it kinda falls off in mid game since you can get other stuff
also the map you chose triggers me bc imo you should never place a ace like that (ace should be coming infront in the zombies not from the back)
Pursuit is only, and only good for wave 40/50, since it's effectively accel with a stun resistance and even worse targeting issues than accel, so it barely has any use in mid game except killing lead ballons, it easily gets outclassed by mini/ranger, which require significantly less grind than lvl100
@@juiceboxbs9853 still tho the damage it does is pretty good
use it in pw2 after you get your first dps towers down
Ace pilot is 40 away from pursuit so ace pilot is just the same but cheaper and less damage
No lmao ace pilot on its best map is A tier at best and b on most maps. That horrendous targeting cancels out the value it provides
Ok we get it, pursuit too expensive, pursuit harder to obtain, pursuit no hidden detection, pursuit have terrible targetting and ace pilot more cheaper, easier to obtain, hidden detection along with giving hidden detection for the start of a wave, and the fact it has the fastest firerate along golden soldier even pairs better with commander since it goes down 0.04s.
Btw puirsuit deals way more than 160 dps i tested it it can deal up to 260 with commander
Helicopter locking onto boss ez fix, select weakest as enemy
Idk how I missed this but amazing vid
Bro ace pilot and pursuit is the best tower combo just bring both
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Bro looks like the friend of night fox lol
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Rework’s out, now rank it again
honestly i dont think value matters when youre playing a mode that gives stupendous amount of cash :P (special gamemodes, events)
"A tower's CE (Cost Efficiency) doesn't matter as long as you have shit ton of money"
The Ace Pilot Buff: 💀
nah its just beginner cheap as for later levels its dependent
Im still using ace pursuit nah its fking lvl 100
Ace does 200 damage with bomb
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I think I might be the only person that plays TDS on console lol
I also play tds on console and its goated because the devs actually made the binds good
@@leonardotrujillo8661 sadly, the codes don't work but yeah the binds are amazing although there are a lot of glitches still
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Another bomb as allways
tbh i like pursuit better
aint using anything from that 💀💀
acce because pur cant se camo
pursuit better
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