Because of the no placement limit, I feel like Golden Minigunner is only better in solo, meanwhile Accelerator is better with more people. However, I feel Golden Minigunner is more reliable due to not having to charge up all the time and having a more consistent dps.
i was soloing the winter event and i found accelerator was much better and had a guaranteed win but when i used g mini i barely killed the boss sometimes
@@sneakydv97I kinda doubt that, mini with commander is 200 dps, and assuming you have 4 mortars, and a dj, that’s 32 minis you can place. 32x200, equals to 6400 dps. You definitely did something wrong
@YourAverageSpeedrunner you gotta count the stuns, the enemy spawns, the boss heal, the fact that you can't have 32 minis attacking at once because of placement issues. Usually, accelerator is much better for the EVENT in solo.
Overall, Golden Minigunner has always been my solid pick. Accelerators are not reliable as they never target the ''first enemy''. The Accelerator has a built in code which when it starts attacking something, it will not stop until the enemy its attacking has died meaning other enemies can sneak through due to accelerators unreliability. Golden Minigunner will always attack the first enemy and overall has a higher dps ceiling. Only downside is Golden Mini can be MUCH harder to get as its one of the 6 gold skins costing a grand total of 50,000 coins giving you a 16% chance of obtaining it. Then again, Accelerator has a much higher potential when it comes to lower placement limits. Use Golden Mini for solo and duo, Accelerator for trio and squad. Simple.
Overall, Accelerator is better cause Accelerators are reliable as they always target the ''first enemy''. The Accelerator has a built in code which when it starts attacking something, it will give more damage if the enemy is weak and gives coins. Golden Minigunner will never attack the first enemy and overall has a lower dps ceiling. Only upside for Golden Mini is it can be MUCH harder and rarer as it is first to appear, to get as its one of the 6 gold skins costing a grand total of 50,000 coins, still giving you a 1% chance of obtaining it. Then again, Accelerator has a WAY HIGHER potential when it comes to no placement limits. Do not use Golden Mini for any situation, and use Accelerator for solo, duo, trio and squad. Simple.
the accelator targettign almot made me die from glitches in fallen but i still feel accel is better due to the large amounts of damage in can do in just ll 3 wwhich could alone get u up to wave 24 in fALLEN
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I believe a way of balancing hardcore towers like accelerator is by giving them a unique ability each at max level. This adds to the uniqueness of hardcore towers and can create new playstyles. Likewise, accel could get an overcharge ability where when activated causes the accelerator to charge a very powerful attack and store it. The player could press the charged ability (indicated by an electricity icon) and release an extremely powerful attack. This could either be a large splash attack that leaves an electrified part of the path temporarily or a beam that can do chain damage. Or it could simply be an increase to the max charge maybe temporarily doubling it to 6000 and increasing the damage to 100. These were just some simple ideas I came up with on the fly, overall I think accelerator could benefit with an aoe ability to deal with crowds better. Either way, I think that hc towers could be improved upon being given a unique ability at max level.
And as for engineer, I believe it could have some kind of sentry boost. Where the engineer tower matches its best unlocked sentry. So now it’s with the dos of 4 sentries.
I prefer Gmini since It's cheaper to place and is good in (most) game modes. You also have to take into account that Gmini costs less to upgrade meaning that it won't have as much DPS as accel, however both are still solid DPS towers especially for fallen runs solo or not.
if everyone brings it your actually placing more then the cap of 40. I'm pretty sure its 80 which mean you're practically doubling your DPS (excluding supports + farms) but yes that is a fair point because if only you bring it then the DPS won't be as much per say in solo or duo.@@Chaseleep
overall, g mini has slightly reliability than accel imo due to how accel has overcharge and is not very consistent in terms of dps and also it does not get many range upgrades unlike g mini but accel does have better cost effeciency
Sometimes g mini is better than accel in early game bc accels targeting might mess you up.. unless you have good farming. Or it can be better in quad games because you make less money.
They each got pros and cons but it really depends on situations if solo GM is better or maps with huge space and also it is spam tower for example towers with limits go with g mini
Accelerator is better for squads since you only have a 20 place limit which means with farm you would probs have 12 g minis and 8 accels and with that accels are better in dps but in solos g mini is better because 32 g minis are better then 8 accelerators so having both is the best option just switch between them and use both.
golden mini's price to dps ratio is worse than accel's but there is no placement limit. as gmini has less range, in maps that have less space/events you need to macro it more, but with accel ya just plonk them down and just chain commander. with gmini, its more stressful and requires more strategic planning.
The way Golden Mini and Accelerator both work depends on the situation you're in. I would personally bring Gold Mini in a solo because if anything passes through it will at least be able to kill anything that passes since it doesn't have accels targeting and it still has strong DPS. If you're doing duos, trios, or squads then it's always gonna be accelerator as your go to 100% because there will always be enough defense for anything that passes through, and accelerator can still focus on the big strong stuff. They're both good either way.
Why did you compare your first placed cowboy who has been dealing dmg since the start of the game to the mini who got placed 16 waves later? what is that comparison??
I personally would pick accel over gold mini, without commander accel still has a solid preformance but let’s be real every player should have commander in their loadout, and considering one accel can solo molten and one mini can’t. But mini is cheaper, also better targeting, although 8 accels is cheaper and I did some math, 1 accel is 4 g minis with commander and 4 g minis is more expensive so 8 accels = 32 g minis and 8 accels is cheaper than 32 minis and better dps per cost ratio, because accel has a smaller placement limit you have have some supports and sub dps which makes accel more reliable but g mini needs multiple to be good (no hate for mini but I prefer accel in most situations)
g mini does sooo much better in everything bro... ofc u need a lot there no placement limit but they are cheap and dont have the worst targeting in the game and they dont have a fuel tank that runs out
32g mini is not equal to 8 accel. if you did the dps without including the charge up time and cooldown its a little over 3.57 g mini. after including charge up and cooldown its ~2.21. this means it's closer to 17-18 g mini. that almost 1/2 as much as you said. also the cost efficacy is worse on accel from level 2-5 then g mini level 2-4
The thing about comparing those towers is,getting accel is 2 times faster than g mini,and only if you have g scout to speedrun molten solo under 13 minutes(with accel) it still takes 19 hours to get one g crate from 0 coins while getting accel takes around 12 hours with losing at 22 wave
If they add a feature that literally gather all of the players money and give it to one person (vote poll) and maybe 3 farms lvl 2 in trios, you can buy g mini in wave 12
Tbh Gold mini is good for solo fallen on mid to lategame Accel is the lategame tower you use it everywhere events, costume gamemodes and normal gamemodes
Introduction: Which tower is better, Golden Minigunner or Accelerator? Aim: To see which tower will do better against Fallen mode. Hypothesis: Both of these are high dps towers - Accelerator has higher dps whereas Golden Minigunner doesn’t have a placement limit. Both of these towers will be able to defeat the Fallen King. Materials: Farm, Golden Cowboy, Golden Minigunner/Accelerator, Commander and DJ. Method: Use Farm for income, Golden Cowboy for early game + income, Golden Minigunner/Accelerator for main mid - late game dps, Commander to increase dps, and DJ to increase range and decrease prices of upgrades. Results: With Golden Minigunner, Fallen King got into the base with 7738 hp, ending the game. With Accelerator, Fallen King summoned a swarm of Fallens near the end. The Fallens got into the base with nearly full hp, ending the game, and Fallen King had 63450 hp remaining. Although neither towers were able to defeat the Fallen King, Golden Minigunner got the Fallen King down to lower hp than the Accelerator. Therefore, Golden Minigunner did better. Discussion: Both towers were able to get the Fallen King down to below half hp. Early Game, Accelerator did very well, due to its great cost efficiency (for levels 2 and onwards, you’re paying less than $200 for every 1 DPS!) The Golden Minigunner wasn’t used much early game, but one level 2 Golden Minigunner was placed. It didn’t seem to do as much as the Accelerator, as, at level 2, the Golden Minigunner isn’t very cost efficient. However, later on, the Golden Minigunner was able to do more damage than the accelerator, despite being less cost efficient than the Accelerator at max level. This is because the Accelerator has a placement limit and a lock-on system. Since the Accelerator has a placement limit of 8, unlike the Golden Minigunner, this meant that the 40 placement limit in a solo game couldn’t be utilised, and Golden Cowboy had to be used late game, a tower that doesn’t have very high dps at max level. Furthermore, the Accelerator’s lock-on system meant that, while weaker enemies would get close to the base, the Accelerator would be busy dealing damage to enemies with high health. Fortunately, the Golden Cowboys were able to kill the enemies that the Accelerators weren’t targeting, but this meant that 8 Accelerators and some support could not be solely relied on as much as Golden Minigunners when playing Fallen mode on a difficult map. Conclusion: From this video, you can conclude that Golden Minigunner does better on a difficult map on Fallen mode than Accelerator. You can also conclude that Fallen King LOVES stun abusing.
I think that accelerator is better in most situations especially with more players. Golden mini has no placement limit which makes it great if you have the money and tower limit to use it, but by the time you start to have higher dps with the golden minis’, accelerator will be cheaper at that point. However, accelerator requires additional towers since its targetting is very bad, so mini has an edge in that category. Both towers are good however I find accelerator more viable with more players, on harder modes, and especially for speedrunning imo. Also golden minigunner plus accelerator is also a powerful combo to use if you have the money.
Nah in trio it's still bad trust me and in duo you better get accel with engi combo or pursuit Overall g.mini Is only good in solo and pizza party other than that its gonna be good secondary dps
@@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822@ 8 max accels cost 400k, and 18 gminis are better then 8 accels, mini costs 22k to max so 22k x 18k= 396k, it's only by 4k but gmini is cheaper, so in a small map accel is better, in big maps where you can place alot of units, for example four seasons, in those maps gmini is better
I feel like you should restart this but sell all cowboys before fallen king comes out as cowboys still deal damage which makes for an unfair advantage over what cowboy was upgraded to max and such (even still accel is terrible to solo with)
You only need cowboy for early game if you have max farms just sell all cowboys and spam max accels 8 max farms are enough to max out your defence before wave 40
For real he’s so annoying wit spamming cowboys I’m tryna see what accel and mini can do but I can’t rlly see because his dumbass is paring it up wijt cowboy
For real he’s so annoying wit spamming cowboys I’m tryna see what accel and mini can do but I can’t rlly see because his dumbass is paring it up wijt cowboy
Accelerator is better for trio or quads and golden mini is better or solo or duo. If you can pair them up, you get like the most dps possible with the golden mini negating the accelerator's placement limit of 8 and semi unreliable targeting and the accel doing the dps
I think Accel is good with towers like Pursuit or Engineer who can change targeting while also having high dps. I use Engi with Accel (plus supports and farms) to solo hardcore and i do really well. Golden Mini can change targeting but when it does, a lot of focus damage gets off of the original target. Golden Mini is hard to micro effectively while Accel can micro easily and effectively. I think Accel wins overall.
no, you are forgetting about the charge up, not to mention the price to place pursuit and engineer and to upgrade them. along with that pursuits targeting locks on just like accel and accel lets enemies get past. engineer sucks until the last upgrade. also, the sentries dont have hidden detection.
I think (I just think) that you could win with the minis if you maxed the commanders, they were able to make the minigunners shoot faster and kill the fallen king if it had like how little it had, like 8.000 HP, also the commanders had more range so… Anyways you get the point.😅
Cost Efficiency becomes less important the more "Late game" the tower is, Yes level 5 accel isnt as Cost Effecient as Multipul Level 3's but multipul levels 3's arnt killing the amalgamation are they?
due to the game naturally being multiplayer-based, accelerator comes out as the better tower like 90% of the time, because the one big thing gmini has over accel is not having a placement limit, which hardly makes a difference EXCEPT in solo
Ngl, this experiment should've been done in a map with the beta zombies in order to get breakers and using the exact same strategy (excluding the accel and G mini) for more accurate results.
I like Accelerator more. It's heavier price and charge/cooldown are out-weighed by the crazy amounts of DPS. Sure, 40 Golden Minigunners do more DPS than 8 Accelerators, but that is if you GET 40 G. Minis- and you are gonna want support, like DJ or Commander, maybe other things. Also, one max Accelerator has around 2.5x the DPS of one max Golden Minigunner. Also, I have to say- You have to beat Hardcore Mode around 8-9 times to get Accelerator, which is around 320-360 minutes, aka around 5-6 hours. Golden Minigunner requires 50 thousand coins, and the best way to get a G. Crate is Pizza Party. You get around 1000 coins per win. A G. Crate costs 50 thousand. That means, you'd have to beat Pizza Party around 50 TIMES! THAT'S 650 MINUTES, OR 10 HOURS! AND ALSO, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THE FACT YOU MIGHT GET ANOTHER GOLDEN SKIN?! THEN YOU'D HAVE TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN! And that means, to get all 6 Golden Skins, WOULD TAKE 60 HOURS! THAT IS 30 TIMES MORE THAN ACCELERATOR! So yeah I'm done rambling.
Just to say in solo with all 3 commanders and DJ u can only place 36 g minis all maxed which does a total of like 7.2k dps while accel can only do around half that which is 3.6k dps is why mini preformed a lot better and also mini doesn't need to charge and doesn't have a damage cap but as we get into duo mini is still better but in trio its quite fair quad though accel beats mini not by much though so golden mini is a lot better accel also has its annoying targeting that everyone knows about. So in my opinion g mini is way better than accelerator due to price, placement limit, reliability and dps.
Real Also how and why i unintentionally got 2 golden crate on my alt and i got two best early game tower which is golden pyro and golden scout lol Also i think they capped the minigunner firerate because golden minigunner with commander ability would give the minigunner like 400+dps
I’d say accel is better if you want straight insane dps, but golden mini is better if you want more reliable dps, cause it doesn’t have to “charge up” like accel does and doesn’t have the targeting issue accel does
tbh, that wasn't really a fair comparison because you didn't directly compare them in terms of dps, range, placement, solo capabilities, multiplayer capabilities and pretty much just played 1 game with mini and 1 game with accel and gave a pretty vague conclusion and also you chose an old map which doesn't show how they perform on 90% of maps in the game. No hate but i feel like I didn't get any relevant info on which one is actually better in different situations
A max commander only give 10% extra firerate buff (compared to a lvl2) for around 11600 extra cash (with DJ) so maybe he thought a max commander wasnt necessary
It’s simple: Lvl 3-4 Commander simply increases the “Passive Firerate” of towers and not from “Call to Arms” ability. So unless you need the extra range (or damage, if you think 5 extra dps is going to do anything) then there’s simply no reason to buy more than one.
I prefer using them together as the accelerator locks onto a enemy until dead, which means faster enemies can easily kill you, but minigunner has lower dps so using them together is the best😊
once, in a polluted wastelands game we had all accels in late game but no other towers like engineer, we had supports and stuff but accels STUPID TARGETTING MADE US LOSE WHEN NUCLEAR M\ONSTER HAD 2K HEALTH he summoned a shadow boss
i would defo say golden minigunner is better, heres why: golden minigunner is heavily affected by commanders buff unlike accelerator and its quite cheap for its high dps. Golden minigunner is also a lot more reliable because of no recharge and the constant damage is just a lot better. It has no placement limit so the dps adds up to more than accelerator in the end, and even when trio'ing its good because it can be used as extra dps and golden minigunner doesnt have accelerators stupid targeting.
Accel is situationally way better than mini. For example: if you only have accel in the krampus event. You will die to evil elves. Kramp has just too much hp, stuns too much, and the lock on feature is the downfall of accelerator. With golden minigunner you will take longer but eventually you will kill krampus. So, if you want to shred a boss. Use a combination of gmini and accel. They are both extremley op but you CANNOT say that one is better than the other. Its the same like saying that engi is trash and accel is way better. Its not. Sometimes engi IS better than accel. But sometimes accel is better than engi. You cannot say that one tower is supreme and is way better than any other tower in the entire game. Even admin tower need some legit towers to be strong. Comparing only the dps and ignoring the lockon feature, overload, stun immunity, range, price etc. Is completley inappropriate. You would need hundreds upon hundreds of games with each tower to have a small idea of what is generally better. Both accel and mini are good. Hell even normal mini CAN be better than golden mini.
there are so little areas where engi is better than accel that you might as well not have included that. cost efficiency is probably what everyone uses along with dps to determine the strength of the tower.
Accel is better for late game and dps but mini is goood for midgame and a little bit of late game but with mini there is no place limit except for tower limit and the tower limit is 40. 40 gold minis
Golden Mini Is Good, But Not Great In Quad. Accel Is Good, But Not Great In Solo, Since You Can Only Place About 8 And Having A Tower That You Can Spam (Like The Golden Mini) Is Great For Solo Since You Can Spam It And Get More Dps Out Of It. But Overall? Just Use Accel. Just Use Other Towers With Accel Because I Don't Think You Would Wanna Spam 40 g minis lol.
Accel and gmini is equally good, accel has a crazy huge dps which is 500 (idk how its 230+ but since 0.1 atk speed and 50 dmg, ill say it has 500 dps) but it has a placement limit which is 8, and an overcharging thing. Gmini, has smaller dps than accel but no placement limit and has no overcharging or overheating thing Idk anymore
Max accel with commander ability does 850 dmg every second don’t yell at me if I’m wrong because I do not know if I did the math correctly that is not including charge time and over charge
To be honest it depends on the person and layout, if used g scout or something better probaly accel would kill, it depends more on the player than the tower itself
I would prefer accel. Easier to micro, may need to charge again but the total dmg he dealt per charge is insane with cmder. Gmini, meh, i would only use him in solo. He's not that good in the event cuz krampus kept stunning the towers and its hard to replace it again since there are many gminis. If you don't count the charging time accel has 734 dps which is 5 gmini. Accel also only takes 4 hours with lucille strat. Gmini takes 20 hours straight with only 16% of chance getting it along with the other gskins. Idk why players say that gmini is easier to get lol
I prefer accelerator, i mostly play quads and duos, in duo polluted i can just put 8 accels, 6 rangers/8 jesters, 3 commanders 1 dj and then spam golden cowboy, duo pizza party? i can just put 8 max accels and invest all into gladiators/mortars, once you have enough accelerators his dps will not look inconsistent, my golden minigunner experience outside solos was very underwhelming due to the amount of space golden mini takes, accel is way more compact.
The Ultimate 1v1, Gold Mini VS Accelerator (Also accelerator sucked after they added the damage cap in a single burst instead of the just 8 second timer burst)
@@ThatOneTechy I understand what you are saying, however, the accelerator got its damage buff in Christmas 2022 when the accelerator got the rework in April 2023.
Overall, Accelerator is better cause Accelerators are reliable as they always target the ''first enemy''. The Accelerator has a built in code which when it starts attacking something, it will give more damage if the enemy is weak and gives coins. Golden Minigunner will never attack the first enemy and overall has a lower dps ceiling. Only upside for Golden Mini is it can be MUCH harder and rarer as it is first to appear, to get as its one of the 6 gold skins costing a grand total of 50,000 coins, still giving you a 1% chance of obtaining it. Then again, Accelerator has a WAY HIGHER potential when it comes to no placement limits. Do not use Golden Mini for any situation, and use Accelerator for solo, duo, trio and squad. Simple.
Bro you literally saying the opposite of them accel never targets the first enemy your just so dumb gmini actually attacks the first enemy and accel has a enemy. Lock and will remain shooting the same enemy and you literally are overrating accel by saying the opposite of whats right
even though its not related to this topic, a way to have better ratio for farming is by stopping at level 3 to defend, or just wait to skip to level 5 because level 4 is not a really good use of money
He placed both towers in shitty places/shitty placements and thats why he died to the fallen king, i wouldve placed them more to the back so the other things like fallens or Fallen guardians wouldnt even be a problem and he also picked some if the worst towers for backup, he didnt even max all cowboys and instead left the Accells and Golden mini's in their place without selling and replacing them thinkong they could just solo the fallen king
People always assume that Gmini is better for solo but I think accel is better i all modes/situations. You can place down 40 gminis which is only useful in PW2 and Badlands (And hardcore). 40 gminis in solo molten/fallen is nearly impossible.
Because of the no placement limit, I feel like Golden Minigunner is only better in solo, meanwhile Accelerator is better with more people. However, I feel Golden Minigunner is more reliable due to not having to charge up all the time and having a more consistent dps.
i was soloing the winter event and i found accelerator was much better and had a guaranteed win but when i used g mini i barely killed the boss sometimes
@@sneakydv97I kinda doubt that, mini with commander is 200 dps, and assuming you have 4 mortars, and a dj, that’s 32 minis you can place. 32x200, equals to 6400 dps. You definitely did something wrong
@@sneakydv97 you probably did something wrong
@YourAverageSpeedrunner you gotta count the stuns, the enemy spawns, the boss heal, the fact that you can't have 32 minis attacking at once because of placement issues. Usually, accelerator is much better for the EVENT in solo.
yall gotta lock in bro
Overall, Golden Minigunner has always been my solid pick. Accelerators are not reliable as they never target the ''first enemy''. The Accelerator has a built in code which when it starts attacking something, it will not stop until the enemy its attacking has died meaning other enemies can sneak through due to accelerators unreliability. Golden Minigunner will always attack the first enemy and overall has a higher dps ceiling. Only downside is Golden Mini can be MUCH harder to get as its one of the 6 gold skins costing a grand total of 50,000 coins giving you a 16% chance of obtaining it. Then again, Accelerator has a much higher potential when it comes to lower placement limits. Use Golden Mini for solo and duo, Accelerator for trio and squad. Simple.
how long did you take to type this
Overall, Accelerator is better cause Accelerators are reliable as they always target the ''first enemy''. The Accelerator has a built in code which when it starts attacking something, it will give more damage if the enemy is weak and gives coins. Golden Minigunner will never attack the first enemy and overall has a lower dps ceiling. Only upside for Golden Mini is it can be MUCH harder and rarer as it is first to appear, to get as its one of the 6 gold skins costing a grand total of 50,000 coins, still giving you a 1% chance of obtaining it. Then again, Accelerator has a WAY HIGHER potential when it comes to no placement limits. Do not use Golden Mini for any situation, and use Accelerator for solo, duo, trio and squad. Simple.
the accelator targettign almot made me die from glitches in fallen but i still feel accel is better due to the large amounts of damage in can do in just ll 3 wwhich could alone get u up to wave 24 in fALLEN
You copied the main comment but reversed it bruh @@Scott-bn2vn
@@Scott-bn2vn half of the information you just said is incorrect and you also just copied the comment but reversed it
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Honestly this is so true. I'm happy that he got his own TDS skin.
This is something I have been thinking about for a long time
I believe a way of balancing hardcore towers like accelerator is by giving them a unique ability each at max level. This adds to the uniqueness of hardcore towers and can create new playstyles. Likewise, accel could get an overcharge ability where when activated causes the accelerator to charge a very powerful attack and store it. The player could press the charged ability (indicated by an electricity icon) and release an extremely powerful attack. This could either be a large splash attack that leaves an electrified part of the path temporarily or a beam that can do chain damage. Or it could simply be an increase to the max charge maybe temporarily doubling it to 6000 and increasing the damage to 100. These were just some simple ideas I came up with on the fly, overall I think accelerator could benefit with an aoe ability to deal with crowds better. Either way, I think that hc towers could be improved upon being given a unique ability at max level.
And as for engineer, I believe it could have some kind of sentry boost. Where the engineer tower matches its best unlocked sentry. So now it’s with the dos of 4 sentries.
or the engineer could build a giant turret that deals 50 damage and 250 damage missiles (7 burst per 30 second)@@SSG-Edits
I aint reading allat
Hes wanting the dev to add special abilities to hardcore tower at last lv@@TooMuch2Work
That would make Accelerator way to over powered and give every other Dps tower no purpose at all once you get your hands on it.
I prefer Gmini since It's cheaper to place and is good in (most) game modes. You also have to take into account that Gmini costs less to upgrade meaning that it won't have as much DPS as accel, however both are still solid DPS towers especially for fallen runs solo or not.
Yea, if ur farming in pizza party scout is no problem because of g mini, sense its cheaper
what if ur in a trio or quad u wont be able to put like any
if everyone brings it your actually placing more then the cap of 40. I'm pretty sure its 80 which mean you're practically doubling your DPS (excluding supports + farms) but yes that is a fair point because if only you bring it then the DPS won't be as much per say in solo or duo.@@Chaseleep
You actually only need 18 gminis to outperform 8 accelerators, meaning gmini is still better in quad @@Chaseleep
@@basskit_ that's 72 golden minigunners and you won't have enough space so accel is better in quad
Accelerator: Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary!
it really wont
@@encrypted2558yeah we kinda know accelerator has abit more range and alot more dps
@@habibixx3251turned out golden mini did better due to targeting, faster charge up time, and mainly placement.
And placement limit.
The battle will truly be legendary
The question that keeps me up at night finally I find an answer… thank you
overall, g mini has slightly reliability than accel imo due to how accel has overcharge and is not very consistent in terms of dps and also it does not get many range upgrades unlike g mini but accel does have better cost effeciency
I mainly like to use both, since golden minigunner. takes over for a while accelerator is recharging.
@@TheGreenMonkey-ly9oyonly issue with using both is you only really get 1 support due to needing farm and a early
accel has more range..?
G mini either cost
55k if you gkt the tower itself pre rework and 58k if you got it post rework
you should do golden cowboys vs every tower!
Sometimes g mini is better than accel in early game bc accels targeting might mess you up.. unless you have good farming. Or it can be better in quad games because you make less money.
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They each got pros and cons but it really depends on situations if solo GM is better or maps with huge space and also it is spam tower for example towers with limits go with g mini
Accelerator is better for squads since you only have a 20 place limit which means with farm you would probs have 12 g minis and 8 accels and with that accels are better in dps but in solos g mini is better because 32 g minis are better then 8 accelerators so having both is the best option just switch between them and use both.
golden mini's price to dps ratio is worse than accel's but there is no placement limit. as gmini has less range, in maps that have less space/events you need to macro it more, but with accel ya just plonk them down and just chain commander. with gmini, its more stressful and requires more strategic planning.
The way Golden Mini and Accelerator both work depends on the situation you're in. I would personally bring Gold Mini in a solo because if anything passes through it will at least be able to kill anything that passes since it doesn't have accels targeting and it still has strong DPS. If you're doing duos, trios, or squads then it's always gonna be accelerator as your go to 100% because there will always be enough defense for anything that passes through, and accelerator can still focus on the big strong stuff.
They're both good either way.
Elite can u make a video on how to get farm fast in solo mode?
Why did you compare your first placed cowboy who has been dealing dmg since the start of the game to the mini who got placed 16 waves later? what is that comparison??
I personally would pick accel over gold mini, without commander accel still has a solid preformance but let’s be real every player should have commander in their loadout, and considering one accel can solo molten and one mini can’t. But mini is cheaper, also better targeting, although 8 accels is cheaper and I did some math, 1 accel is 4 g minis with commander and 4 g minis is more expensive so 8 accels = 32 g minis and 8 accels is cheaper than 32 minis and better dps per cost ratio, because accel has a smaller placement limit you have have some supports and sub dps which makes accel more reliable but g mini needs multiple to be good (no hate for mini but I prefer accel in most situations)
thx for doing da math
g mini does sooo much better in everything bro... ofc u need a lot there no placement limit but they are cheap and dont have the worst targeting in the game and they dont have a fuel tank that runs out
32g mini is not equal to 8 accel. if you did the dps without including the charge up time and cooldown its a little over 3.57 g mini. after including charge up and cooldown its ~2.21. this means it's closer to 17-18 g mini. that almost 1/2 as much as you said. also the cost efficacy is worse on accel from level 2-5 then g mini level 2-4
@@kyledaniell879get help
The thing about comparing those towers is,getting accel is 2 times faster than g mini,and only if you have g scout to speedrun molten solo under 13 minutes(with accel) it still takes 19 hours to get one g crate from 0 coins while getting accel takes around 12 hours with losing at 22 wave
i actually solo fallen with that loadout. first time solo fallen tho.You actually helped me.thanks!
If they add a feature that literally gather all of the players money and give it to one person (vote poll) and maybe 3 farms lvl 2 in trios, you can buy g mini in wave 12
well, g mini probably doesnt cost 50k just because you might get g mini first or last from opening g crates
(or in the shop)
You should do prusuit vs golden miniguneer, they have similar damage and fire speed as I noticed
Tbh
Gold mini is good for solo fallen on mid to lategame
Accel is the lategame tower you use it everywhere events, costume gamemodes and normal gamemodes
Nice video idea
Introduction:
Which tower is better, Golden Minigunner or Accelerator?
Aim:
To see which tower will do better against Fallen mode.
Hypothesis:
Both of these are high dps towers - Accelerator has higher dps whereas Golden Minigunner doesn’t have a placement limit. Both of these towers will be able to defeat the Fallen King.
Materials:
Farm, Golden Cowboy, Golden Minigunner/Accelerator, Commander and DJ.
Method:
Use Farm for income, Golden Cowboy for early game + income, Golden Minigunner/Accelerator for main mid - late game dps, Commander to increase dps, and DJ to increase range and decrease prices of upgrades.
Results:
With Golden Minigunner, Fallen King got into the base with 7738 hp, ending the game.
With Accelerator, Fallen King summoned a swarm of Fallens near the end. The Fallens got into the base with nearly full hp, ending the game, and Fallen King had 63450 hp remaining.
Although neither towers were able to defeat the Fallen King, Golden Minigunner got the Fallen King down to lower hp than the Accelerator.
Therefore, Golden Minigunner did better.
Discussion:
Both towers were able to get the Fallen King down to below half hp.
Early Game, Accelerator did very well, due to its great cost efficiency (for levels 2 and onwards, you’re paying less than $200 for every 1 DPS!)
The Golden Minigunner wasn’t used much early game, but one level 2 Golden Minigunner was placed. It didn’t seem to do as much as the Accelerator, as, at level 2, the Golden Minigunner isn’t very cost efficient.
However, later on, the Golden Minigunner was able to do more damage than the accelerator, despite being less cost efficient than the Accelerator at max level. This is because the Accelerator has a placement limit and a lock-on system.
Since the Accelerator has a placement limit of 8, unlike the Golden Minigunner, this meant that the 40 placement limit in a solo game couldn’t be utilised, and Golden Cowboy had to be used late game, a tower that doesn’t have very high dps at max level.
Furthermore, the Accelerator’s lock-on system meant that, while weaker enemies would get close to the base, the Accelerator would be busy dealing damage to enemies with high health. Fortunately, the Golden Cowboys were able to kill the enemies that the Accelerators weren’t targeting, but this meant that 8 Accelerators and some support could not be solely relied on as much as Golden Minigunners when playing Fallen mode on a difficult map.
Conclusion:
From this video, you can conclude that Golden Minigunner does better on a difficult map on Fallen mode than Accelerator.
You can also conclude that Fallen King LOVES stun abusing.
Great Job and Anaylsis
bro accel and gm both can kill fallen king on that map its just elite being absolute garbage at the game LOL
@@Okayguysyususu XD
The fallen king did a stun and summon combo for accel’s run…
@@Okayguysyususu you dont have to be that mean bro. lets see you do it youself
also can u do engi vs accel
I think that accelerator is better in most situations especially with more players. Golden mini has no placement limit which makes it great if you have the money and tower limit to use it, but by the time you start to have higher dps with the golden minis’, accelerator will be cheaper at that point. However, accelerator requires additional towers since its targetting is very bad, so mini has an edge in that category. Both towers are good however I find accelerator more viable with more players, on harder modes, and especially for speedrunning imo. Also golden minigunner plus accelerator is also a powerful combo to use if you have the money.
mini is way better in like every scenario except quad
Nah in trio it's still bad trust me and in duo you better get accel with engi combo or pursuit
Overall g.mini Is only good in solo and pizza party other than that its gonna be good secondary dps
@The_Mistake, it's good in duo, too, just trios and quads are the problems
@BrutalCarCrashes009 i would still recommended accel more then mini since is still a lot cheaper to set up 8 max accel for each player.
@@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822@ 8 max accels cost 400k, and 18 gminis are better then 8 accels, mini costs 22k to max so 22k x 18k= 396k, it's only by 4k but gmini is cheaper, so in a small map accel is better, in big maps where you can place alot of units, for example four seasons, in those maps gmini is better
Should I get John tower or EDJ
Awesome vids 😎👏
I feel like you should restart this but sell all cowboys before fallen king comes out as cowboys still deal damage which makes for an unfair advantage over what cowboy was upgraded to max and such (even still accel is terrible to solo with)
You only need cowboy for early game if you have max farms just sell all cowboys and spam max accels 8 max farms are enough to max out your defence before wave 40
For real he’s so annoying wit spamming cowboys I’m tryna see what accel and mini can do but I can’t rlly see because his dumbass is paring it up wijt cowboy
For real he’s so annoying wit spamming cowboys I’m tryna see what accel and mini can do but I can’t rlly see because his dumbass is paring it up wijt cowboy
Accelerator is better for trio or quads and golden mini is better or solo or duo. If you can pair them up, you get like the most dps possible with the golden mini negating the accelerator's placement limit of 8 and semi unreliable targeting and the accel doing the dps
I think Accel is good with towers like Pursuit or Engineer who can change targeting while also having high dps. I use Engi with Accel (plus supports and farms) to solo hardcore and i do really well. Golden Mini can change targeting but when it does, a lot of focus damage gets off of the original target. Golden Mini is hard to micro effectively while Accel can micro easily and effectively. I think Accel wins overall.
no, you are forgetting about the charge up, not to mention the price to place pursuit and engineer and to upgrade them. along with that pursuits targeting locks on just like accel and accel lets enemies get past. engineer sucks until the last upgrade. also, the sentries dont have hidden detection.
I think (I just think) that you could win with the minis if you maxed the commanders, they were able to make the minigunners shoot faster and kill the fallen king if it had like how little it had, like 8.000 HP, also the commanders had more range so… Anyways you get the point.😅
No just play on a easier map
Cost Efficiency becomes less important the more "Late game" the tower is, Yes level 5 accel isnt as Cost Effecient as Multipul Level 3's but multipul levels 3's arnt killing the amalgamation are they?
due to the game naturally being multiplayer-based, accelerator comes out as the better tower like 90% of the time, because the one big thing gmini has over accel is not having a placement limit, which hardly makes a difference EXCEPT in solo
Wow epic Vid!!
Ngl, this experiment should've been done in a map with the beta zombies in order to get breakers and using the exact same strategy (excluding the accel and G mini) for more accurate results.
can you test hardcore whIch unit is better?
Also, pls review frost blaster
I like Accelerator more. It's heavier price and charge/cooldown are out-weighed by the crazy amounts of DPS. Sure, 40 Golden Minigunners do more DPS than 8 Accelerators, but that is if you GET 40 G. Minis- and you are gonna want support, like DJ or Commander, maybe other things. Also, one max Accelerator has around 2.5x the DPS of one max Golden Minigunner. Also, I have to say- You have to beat Hardcore Mode around 8-9 times to get Accelerator, which is around 320-360 minutes, aka around 5-6 hours. Golden Minigunner requires 50 thousand coins, and the best way to get a G. Crate is Pizza Party. You get around 1000 coins per win. A G. Crate costs 50 thousand. That means, you'd have to beat Pizza Party around 50 TIMES! THAT'S 650 MINUTES, OR 10 HOURS! AND ALSO, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THE FACT YOU MIGHT GET ANOTHER GOLDEN SKIN?! THEN YOU'D HAVE TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN! And that means, to get all 6 Golden Skins, WOULD TAKE 60 HOURS! THAT IS 30 TIMES MORE THAN ACCELERATOR! So yeah I'm done rambling.
20 gold minigunners do more DPS than 8 accelerators
just p2w
I ain’t reading allat 💀
Then dont comment easy@@pumpkinglad3363
You mostly won't have 20 minis unless you are in solo@@basskit_
Tdx video idea: Trolling people with admins to make them think that you're hacking
Golden minigunner is my favourite out of those, the placement limit is the difference maker
Just to say in solo with all 3 commanders and DJ u can only place 36 g minis all maxed which does a total of like 7.2k dps while accel can only do around half that which is 3.6k dps is why mini preformed a lot better and also mini doesn't need to charge and doesn't have a damage cap but as we get into duo mini is still better but in trio its quite fair quad though accel beats mini not by much though so golden mini is a lot better accel also has its annoying targeting that everyone knows about. So in my opinion g mini is way better than accelerator due to price, placement limit, reliability and dps.
6.5k around for accel
Accel is better for cost efficiency
in solo that is
It depend! Both are usful in there own very common situatiosn which is the BEST ENDING
Real
Also how and why i unintentionally got 2 golden crate on my alt and i got two best early game tower which is golden pyro and golden scout lol
Also i think they capped the minigunner firerate because golden minigunner with commander ability would give the minigunner like 400+dps
Elite can u do some bedwars?
Where did u get the cowboy skin?
I’d say accel is better if you want straight insane dps, but golden mini is better if you want more reliable dps, cause it doesn’t have to “charge up” like accel does and doesn’t have the targeting issue accel does
I don't know if it's a solo thing or not or can we appreciate that he placed 4 commanders at 13:39
a tower that will be paid out of gems vs a golden version of a tower getting picked out randomly with 50000 coins
tbh, that wasn't really a fair comparison because you didn't directly compare them in terms of dps, range, placement, solo capabilities, multiplayer capabilities and pretty much just played 1 game with mini and 1 game with accel and gave a pretty vague conclusion and also you chose an old map which doesn't show how they perform on 90% of maps in the game. No hate but i feel like I didn't get any relevant info on which one is actually better in different situations
I don't have gold minigunner but i bring accel and minigunner and place minigunners after i hit the placement limit on accel
Out of curiosity, when you have max placement limit with the minis and lots of money to spare, why didn’t you upgrade the commanders?
A max commander only give 10% extra firerate buff (compared to a lvl2) for around 11600 extra cash (with DJ) so maybe he thought a max commander wasnt necessary
@@salad3966 thx, I kinda knew but it’s just he might as well do it if he has lots of money to spare. K fact he might have won if he did no idk
It’s simple:
Lvl 3-4 Commander simply increases the “Passive Firerate” of towers and not from “Call to Arms” ability.
So unless you need the extra range (or damage, if you think 5 extra dps is going to do anything) then there’s simply no reason to buy more than one.
@@WHITE-ws5wk Alr ty
Can I get a event strat with both towers
Sometimes i just bring both because i use g mini after reaching accel limit when playing duos
Dang
Turret last upgrade is as same as last upgrade on accel is crazy
Idk why ranger last upgrade is so expensive
I prefer using them together as the accelerator locks onto a enemy until dead, which means faster enemies can easily kill you, but minigunner has lower dps so using them together is the best😊
once, in a polluted wastelands game we had all accels in late game but no other towers like engineer, we had supports and stuff but accels STUPID TARGETTING MADE US LOSE WHEN NUCLEAR M\ONSTER HAD 2K HEALTH he summoned a shadow boss
i would defo say golden minigunner is better, heres why: golden minigunner is heavily affected by commanders buff unlike accelerator and its quite cheap for its high dps. Golden minigunner is also a lot more reliable because of no recharge and the constant damage is just a lot better. It has no placement limit so the dps adds up to more than accelerator in the end, and even when trio'ing its good because it can be used as extra dps and golden minigunner doesnt have accelerators stupid targeting.
use accel in multiplayer. use mini in solo or duo (duo in spacious maps) as it takes up too much space and is worse in midgame.
Old accel use to be able to solo but now well yea
Accel is situationally way better than mini. For example: if you only have accel in the krampus event. You will die to evil elves. Kramp has just too much hp, stuns too much, and the lock on feature is the downfall of accelerator. With golden minigunner you will take longer but eventually you will kill krampus. So, if you want to shred a boss. Use a combination of gmini and accel. They are both extremley op but you CANNOT say that one is better than the other. Its the same like saying that engi is trash and accel is way better. Its not. Sometimes engi IS better than accel. But sometimes accel is better than engi. You cannot say that one tower is supreme and is way better than any other tower in the entire game. Even admin tower need some legit towers to be strong. Comparing only the dps and ignoring the lockon feature, overload, stun immunity, range, price etc. Is completley inappropriate. You would need hundreds upon hundreds of games with each tower to have a small idea of what is generally better. Both accel and mini are good. Hell even normal mini CAN be better than golden mini.
there are so little areas where engi is better than accel that you might as well not have included that. cost efficiency is probably what everyone uses along with dps to determine the strength of the tower.
With the buff for g mini or mini it self i think its kinda better now
Great video and can u help me in badlands
Bro the RNG on Accel’s part was the worst possible, it summoned at the end when they all locked onto the fallen king
Accel is better for late game and dps but mini is goood for midgame and a little bit of late game but with mini there is no place limit except for tower limit and the tower limit is 40. 40 gold minis
epic indeed
Golden Mini Is Good, But Not Great In Quad. Accel Is Good, But Not Great In Solo, Since You Can Only Place About 8 And Having A Tower That You Can Spam (Like The Golden Mini) Is Great For Solo Since You Can Spam It And Get More Dps Out Of It.
But Overall? Just Use Accel. Just Use Other Towers With Accel Because I Don't Think You Would Wanna Spam 40 g minis lol.
Try Accel, Gold Scout, Commander, DJ, and Farm on Wrecked Battlefield fallen. It works.
This is 10 times better than your last video. Good job elite but you choose a terrible map. What were you thinking but good video.
W vid once again
Bro do you have elf camp
W youtuber ong
Ngl.. I think combining both of them is best and sacrificing dj for the slot.
Accel and gmini is equally good, accel has a crazy huge dps which is 500 (idk how its 230+ but since 0.1 atk speed and 50 dmg, ill say it has 500 dps) but it has a placement limit which is 8, and an overcharging thing.
Gmini, has smaller dps than accel but no placement limit and has no overcharging or overheating thing
Idk anymore
Rank all towers in the pls?:)
Max accel with commander ability does 850 dmg every second don’t yell at me if I’m wrong because I do not know if I did the math correctly that is not including charge time and over charge
And also I round the amount of time it ticks of dmg in a single second
For soloing things like molten i found that accel works better and faster than g mini, But g mini is more useful in multiplayer and events
To be honest it depends on the person and layout, if used g scout or something better probaly accel would kill, it depends more on the player than the tower itself
g cowboy has more dps than g scout
@@jadennguyen2852 g scout has more consistency on the early game so you can farm
@@coelhogames7264 farming wasn't a problem. the issue was the fallen king didn't die, meaning lack of dps. gs would only make the results worse.
@@jadennguyen2852 to be honest you could do it, just need to know how to use it
@@coelhogames7264 you just spam them in optimized spots. thats "how you use it".
the problem with accel is it’s targeting, however do think accel is still better overall
I would prefer accel. Easier to micro, may need to charge again but the total dmg he dealt per charge is insane with cmder. Gmini, meh, i would only use him in solo. He's not that good in the event cuz krampus kept stunning the towers and its hard to replace it again since there are many gminis. If you don't count the charging time accel has 734 dps which is 5 gmini. Accel also only takes 4 hours with lucille strat. Gmini takes 20 hours straight with only 16% of chance getting it along with the other gskins. Idk why players say that gmini is easier to get lol
734 dps did you pull that out your ass
dawg how'd you get 734 lol?
@@nicknick493drugs
I prefer accelerator, i mostly play quads and duos, in duo polluted i can just put 8 accels, 6 rangers/8 jesters, 3 commanders 1 dj and then spam golden cowboy, duo pizza party? i can just put 8 max accels and invest all into gladiators/mortars, once you have enough accelerators his dps will not look inconsistent, my golden minigunner experience outside solos was very underwhelming due to the amount of space golden mini takes, accel is way more compact.
The Ultimate 1v1, Gold Mini VS Accelerator (Also accelerator sucked after they added the damage cap in a single burst instead of the just 8 second timer burst)
It Gained DPS that Update. Alot of DPS, and it no longers wastes damage (or has random damage)
@@ThatOneTechy I understand what you are saying, however, the accelerator got its damage buff in Christmas 2022 when the accelerator got the rework in April 2023.
As someone who has both, I see this as an absolute win
Overall, Accelerator is better cause Accelerators are reliable as they always target the ''first enemy''. The Accelerator has a built in code which when it starts attacking something, it will give more damage if the enemy is weak and gives coins. Golden Minigunner will never attack the first enemy and overall has a lower dps ceiling. Only upside for Golden Mini is it can be MUCH harder and rarer as it is first to appear, to get as its one of the 6 gold skins costing a grand total of 50,000 coins, still giving you a 1% chance of obtaining it. Then again, Accelerator has a WAY HIGHER potential when it comes to no placement limits. Do not use Golden Mini for any situation, and use Accelerator for solo, duo, trio and squad. Simple.
Bro you literally saying the opposite of them accel never targets the first enemy your just so dumb gmini actually attacks the first enemy and accel has a enemy. Lock and will remain shooting the same enemy and you literally are overrating accel by saying the opposite of whats right
1% you got to be smoking something
And accel has a placement limit of 8 gold mini doesnt have one
Awesome
even though its not related to this topic, a way to have better ratio for farming is by stopping at level 3 to defend, or just wait to skip to level 5 because level 4 is not a really good use of money
He placed both towers in shitty places/shitty placements and thats why he died to the fallen king, i wouldve placed them more to the back so the other things like fallens or Fallen guardians wouldnt even be a problem and he also picked some if the worst towers for backup, he didnt even max all cowboys and instead left the Accells and Golden mini's in their place without selling and replacing them thinkong they could just solo the fallen king
People always assume that Gmini is better for solo but I think accel is better i all modes/situations. You can place down 40 gminis which is only useful in PW2 and Badlands (And hardcore). 40 gminis in solo molten/fallen is nearly impossible.
just a fun thing, you should do a "USE CODE E" thing whenever you click commander since its ability also says E
Was the main focus accel and mini or cowboys lol
old mini was my fav
By the way, crazy how tds wants their players back from tdx since they released the event tower, BEFORE THE EVENT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN
alternative title: one op loadout vs one op loadout + other towers
Epik vid
Gold mini lost to the fallen king because most of the g minis were attacking the giant boss for some reason and they got mass stunned
One hour gang
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