Roman Pannonia
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1:46 It is most likely that the Italian Boii joined other Celtic tribes that came from Bohemia in to Pannonia.
2:46 The Andizetes where a celtizised Illyrian tribe.
3:03 The Dacian lands at this point where divided in to many small autonomous tribal alliances.
5:43 Or a small fortress used only for strategical (war) purposes rather then living purposes.
6:09 It is undeniable that the Romans played a vital part in the development of today's Bratislava right across the Danube from their border but I didn't count this because it *technically never was part of the Empire.
6:39 Fun fact, when the Magyars arrived to Pannonia they already had their own wine making techniques established. They then combined these with the Roman ones in Pannonia creating the unique style in which the Hungarian wine is made today.
7:47 It is also argued that this is mainly due to the fact that the northern border head more dangerous tribes like the Marcomani and Quadi then the eastern border. However when you look at the frequent Iazyges raids in to Pannonia this theory doesn't seem to hold up.
Other arguments are also that Romans used a lot of auxiliary forts for protection along the border. Hence the two legions where enough. However these forts weren't more numerous in Eastern Pannonia than anywhere else, plus legions where the only "active armies" that could respond to active problems happening, with all this combined eastern Pannonia was still less guarded then other areas in the Roman Empire.
8:02 This was mainly because the 7th legion was still in Viminacium in the south (so when the 4th left there was still one legion to protect the area) but when the 2sc legion was gone there was no protection from the East so the 4th legion had to be transferred to Budapest.
Lastly yes, over all the Pannonian basin had a much larger border force than other areas of the Empire, specially by the later Roman period, but this is the basin considered as a whole. All these legions and forces weren't uniformly divided within the basin and that was the problem I pointed out in the video.
8:15 The Second Legion Adiutrix had both a Capricorn and a Pegasus as a symbol but lets be honest Capricorn doesn't look as cool as a Pegasus plus we thought the Pegasus played nicely in to the nomadic horse theme Pannonia head through out the late antiquity and early medieval period.
9:09 The Second legion participated in all these wars.
9:27 They became a client state due to several small wars they had with the Romans all which they lost, however I didn't have time to mention these or go in to detail about them.
10:05 The Iazyges broke away from Roman control during this time.
11:19 Roman Limes means border regions of the Roman Empire and can mean also a border wall/fortification but doesn't have to necessarily.
13:42 This was a mistake, I didn't want to show the Goths raiding south but the Huns.
13:47 This is was also when the "official Roman port" for trading with the Huns changed from the cities on the Danube to Naissus in Serbia.
#History #Romans #ProjectPannonia #Hungary
1:45
🅱oii Tribe 👋
😂😂😂
Yea Boii!!!
I find it interesting that despite the relatively short span of Roman rule over Dacia, it's the only region that still speaks a language descended from Latin, whereas everywhere else East of Italy Latin has been replaced.
The Geography is the key.
Because the Dacian tribes were quite strong and resisted even after their temporary conquest by the Roman Empire, also to the Ottoman Empire, the Russian Empire and all the invasions until today forming the Romanian people.
All the Romance languages are descended from Latin, Romanian is just the closest modern language to Latin but all the other major ones, Spanish, French, Portuguese and Italian still descend from Latin.
Well, there are other small Romanian/vlach groups through out Eastern Europe outside of romania.
But also the eastern empire greek was the common language…
A lot of Balkan romanance speakers, Vlachs, escaped the Slavs and settled there too solidifying the Latin language there
3:15 I totally misheard that as Disneyland was incorporated
The romans were truly before their time
Very interesting about the Iazyges, great video!
your videos are also very interesting
I love the BOIIIIIIIIIIIIII!
For the BOIIIIIIIIIII’s
I love it when pre-roman peoples are given attention :)
1:45 BOI
BOII* :))
Damn Boii he THICC
It's weird how people in the comments are really fascinated with the name of Boii.
@Hernando Malinche at some point yes I would like to.
@@MLaserHistory It is just a meme. But to be honest the video was very nicely made and a pleasure to watch
Fascinating area, my uni Classical History course had a section on Rhaetia-Noricum-Pannonia combined talking about the Romanisation debate. Interestingly in these areas there's a gender divide in Roman culture: lots of men very quickly (especially compared to most places) switched to Latin names and clothes, but lots of women retained regional names and clothes. Theory is that a lot of these man had or were trying to fill new positions of local power and wealth opened up by incoming Roman government, but that due to the highly make dominated Roman culture there was no need or room for the local women to adapt in the same way. You see it all over gravestones and artwork in these regions
This phenomenon can be observed all around the world (and most historic periods), women are more traditional - they take care for the family, men are more public and therefore they are more susceptible to changes that shaped society (politics, serving in the army, fashion - symbols of the new political order).
That makes sense since that kinda remained a mentality of Pannonians as w hole to this day. That's how the Hungarians managed to become so dominant after all. Many slavs have even changed their names and last names to survive.
Btw could you give us more info about the area and it's people?
Finally someone that used correct maps for the dacian kingdoms. Thank you
What a great concept: collaboration between a group of historians on a large scale swarth of history!!! Congratulations.
9:45 wow i never knew romans have sex, thanks M. Laser History
No problem, I aim to teach the most relevant of informations :D
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Bro, that's fake news, everyone knows the Romans drank something known as "Mitosis Juice" and then underwent mitosis, making perfect copies of themselves
An interesting and unique topic. Great video as always.
Im a big fan
Bai Ganyo is underrated, needs a video
Amazing video. I live is the 3rd district of Budapest, 5 minutes away from the ruins of Aquincum. I love learning about the history of my home.
I'm here from Oversimplified's Bucket War video. Man you really are way under subbed.
You are awesome and have great videos for sure.
I hope that you gain a TON of subs you deserve them. I'm glad he brought you to our attention.
Keep up the great work gained a sub from me for sure
My city Bologna takes its name from Boii tribe. Next it was conquered by romans that nemed it Bononia. Romans named all Pianura Padana (Po river valley) Gallia Citerior. Citerior that's like closer, nierest at Rome.
When i see the geography of pannonia a flat land surrounded by mountains i couldnt help but think its a missed opportunity for a big single nation to have been formed it would have around 40-50 milion people
Filip J I mean it was because it's a good area that nobody could hold it someone else would always come along and take
Well, there was a try between the 9-20 centuries...
Didn't Hungary have roughly those borders before WW1?
Me: Just one more video.
Romans: Just one more province
Until it all crumbles from within due to outside pressures.
The playlist of Project Pannonia- th-cam.com/play/PLbGtNUME__2eJ5rnffdg3zR-vPyBIUtKW.html
More information in the description as always.
Hope you enjoyed the video :)
Wouw are you the first youtuber talking about Illyrians !? Because your video is sick ! Thanks man Much appreciation From a Albanian XD thanks bro THANKSSS BROOOOOOO
1:52 that’s one thicc boi
Very cool. Thanks a lot for this project and huge work put into it.
People really named their kin BOII back then. Absolutely based.
Me and the Boiis walking along the Danube...
Quick note on Roman pronunciation C is always a hard C no matter if it's followed by I E Y. So Dacia is pronounced Dakia, Scordisci pronounced Scordiski, Taurisci pronounced Tauriski etc.
Great job on the video tho :)
Yoo-lee-oos Kai-sar.
In the next spelling reform, we should use c only for the ch sound, otherwise stay with k or s. Why didn't Webster think of this?
That's how I was thought classical Latin in school in France but when I moved to my home country (romania) we were learning the other way around like "ch" if followed by a vocal. Maybe it was because of bad teachers idk.
@@qboxer well, Kaiser does come from Caesar sooo
@@rsabinioan I can imagine that the ancient romans had diffrent dialects depending on the region. Many times also with influence of the cultures they conquered before. Also latin was used by priests and monks after the downfall of the empire, and therefore was spelled diffrent in some locations.
dobrá práca! Rím ma baví.
lol what is this Parseltongue you speak in :D
@@MLaserHistory bless his heart, he tries!!
Proof to those hungarians thinking no one was living in Transilvania when the hungarians arrived
except before hungarians arrived lots of other civilizations have made transylvania their home: romans, goths, gepids, avars, huns, bulgarians and eventually hungarians that ruled for 1000 years. :P
@@gabor-zsoltbenedek9420 That's what i was saying ;/
@@gabor-zsoltbenedek9420 you have not ruled for 1000 years. Full conquest was made around 1300-1400 and also for hundreds of years hungary itself was ruled by turks and austrians
The Principality of Transylvania was never conquered by the turks, its voievodes were of hungarian noble descent and after the dissolution it was reintegrated into the Austro-Hungarian empire under the holy crown of st. Stephen up until 1918. And btw both Wallachia and Moldavia were set up by the will of the hungarian crow to create buffer states beyond the carpathian mountains. I am not disputing the current claim of Romania because romanian population has obviously exceeded that of the hungarians. I am just saying that de facto rule was the hungarian crown before 1918. :)
@@gabor-zsoltbenedek9420 True Transilvania was vasal to turks not full part of the ottoman empire like hungary. Moldova was established by Romanian disidents from Maramures, which was only later under full hunagrian control. Muntenia was established by some Romanians (cumans at origin?) who only a few decades later were at war with Hungary. For this reason it's safe to say they were not sent by hungary, but were vasals to hungary at the begining. Too bad we don't have more records from those times
Yyyeeaah Boii
That topographical map is absolutely gorgeous. Where did you find it, if I may ask?
I made it in Photoshop by using the data from here-maps-for-free.com/#close
and here- tangrams.github.io/heightmapper/
Also thank you :)
@@MLaserHistory Neat, thanks a lot, I absoultely adore maps!
@@MLaserHistory very cool. What is the second link used for though?
@@floatpvnk to see the elevation in a black and white gradient. Helps me combine the data with the map from the first link.
Something that is pretty important to meantion in my opinion about Pannonia's creation is that one of it's autochtonous tribes Mazaei had some lands which were controlled by the Dassareate and Autariantae
1:46 ah yes Kratos’ favorite tribe, the BOII
9:43 "And whatever else romans did" LMAO
I saw a shoutout to your channel on an over simplified video. Now subscribed!
Same! This guy is quality right?
There is a housing development nearby me that is called pannonia, I had no idea what pannonia even was until randomly finding this video just now. Fitting name as it is built on swampland. Interesting stuff, good channel!
quickest subscribe I've made in my life
11:59 wow, fish - it is one of the oldest Christian signs, great and well detailed job dude! :)
I was reading about Saint Quirinus of Sescia who lived in the province of Pannonia this is perfect. Thanks
I don't know about him but I know also Saint Martin of Tours was born in Pannonia, although most of his adult life has nothing to do with Pannonia.
Never the less you can find many people starting in around the 4th century migrating away from Pannonia due to the emerging involvement of the Barbarian tribes on the fringes of the Empire.
Dacians were not celts, they were related with thracians or were thracians. Hungarians and romanians are partly related through dacians, sarmatians, roman colonists, slavs and cumans which they have in common.
I specifically said Dacians a subgroup of the Threcians and never said they where celts. However it is undeniable that transilvania underwent large celtcization creating a mixed celtic dacian cultur. The archaeological evidence for this is numerous.
wow this video really helped for my project for pannonia and its cool bcs i live there
How do you chose what simbols to use to represtend what tribes and peoples?
If I can't decide on anything I simply use their name as you can see in the video.
However I hate doing this as visually it looks awful.
Therefor I use several methods.
A. Look if there are any artistic archaeological finds from that people group. Like the golden horse rider left by the Avars (disputably) which I used on several occasions to represent them in my videos.
B. I look at any specific idea that defined the people group. Like the Huns are synonymous with archery and horseback riding therefor a bow and arrow or a horse would be an appropriate symbol to use.
C. I try to look at what religion they followed and use the symbols from that, as these would be undoubtedly used by the people them self as it''s their religion. That is why I use the Slavic Sun to represent undefined Slavic tribes or in this video the valknut to represent Germanic tribes.
@@MLaserHistory Does the symbol need to be age apropriate. And will you still use it if the meaning has changed in the minds of many?
Also.
If you had to pick a symbol for baltic tribes what would it be?
I try for the symbols to be age appropriate but sometimes use current symbols as they often times have symbolism within them that refers to the past and as such I think are appropriate enough. The current Wallachian flag comes to mind.
However I will definitely use a current symbol only if the current meaning roughly correlates with the meaning in the past, unless I specifically want to point to the fact that the meaning has changed over time. The German Swastika or Slavic Kolovrat symbols come to mind as they are used as far right symbols today, interestingly the historical meaning these organizations give to these symbols is almost comically wrong.
It would really depend on the context I was talking about them in (the Baltic Tribes). In most cases I would just use the name of the tribe like Prussian or Lithuanian, etc. But lets say I was mentioning in the context of attacking Germanic and Slavic people groups so referring to the Baltic tribes as a whole in which case I would most likely opt for using some kind of a picture of a world tree as it is known that the Baltic paganism evolved heavily around a world tree, or some kind of an ember carving since all ember in Europe came from the Baltics. I would maybe use Baltic Runes but the scholarly debate about these is very much still raging on so I don't really know how to feel about them.
@@MLaserHistory I drew the symbol I would use to represent my people. It is the symbol I derived form my religion postimg.cc/kRb6nR63
I just drew it in my notebook ignore the rest of the things in there.
I could go for hours about why I chose this symbol and what symbolism is in it as well as the two other symbols I wanted to add.
I would be honored if you would ever use this kind of symbol to repersent balic tribes.
Very good video. I would suggest trying to slightly slow down your delivery, which will add emphasis to your topic and also be easier for you to manage.
This is really well done!
Ya boi!!! 1:45
Omg it the boi are big boi are best boi and the only boi
Lineage music? Daaamn! :)
Holy crap that map is beautiful (not the river map the map used for most of the video)! Where did you find it and/or can I find it myself? Or did you make it? Also this is an interesting idea for a collab.
I made the map in Photoshop by using the sources here-maps-for-free.com/#close
and here- tangrams.github.io/heightmapper/
@@MLaserHistory thank you so much!
"Whatever the Romans did" [images of an elite lifestyle]. It's really just a myth that Rome was some sort of Hedonistic paradise. The only sexual difference between the Romans and everyone else is that the Romans documented their perversions the same way we do with pornography. They didn't disguise it as art or religion like the Greeks did. The Romans were too honest. There's a desire to portray the Roman civilization as somehow corrupted or evil, but that's really just the desire to convince yourself that civilization DIDN'T take a massive step back with the fall of Western Rome.
But it didn’t. Quality of life improved for the vast majority of Western Europeans after the fall of Rome. The Roman economy never recovered from the Crisis of the Third Century and its people were choking under overtaxation, mass drafts and corruption. The coloni were deprived of rights and hereditary work without legal protections introduced. Literacy plummeted and the cities were abandoned. All before the fall of Rome.
@@luxborealis you're just making the point that civilization came and went with the Romans
Boii were basically cowboii
In Romanian language "boii" means the bulls so basically yeah...
What about remnants od roman population during early Middle ages?
The Pannonian Romance existed in small isolated settlements as far as until the end of the 10th century but many simply got killed, assimilated or just left due to the many Hunnic, Germanic, Avar, Slavic, Turkic and Uralic invaders in to the plain triggering waves of emigration.
This emigration can be seen through a bunch of ancient writers born in Pannonia showing up in Byzantine court or courts of the Western Germanic kingdoms which replaced the Western Roman Empire, in around the 5th and 6th century.
You mentioned the Ilyrians, Celts, and Dacians... What about the Scythians, Avars, Magyars?
None arrived there at the time
Hello! Where do you get the signs 0:05 from? I have seen you using some in your slav-videos too. Thanks!
project panonioa. lets talk a lot about hungarians. serbs and romanians ಠ_ಠ
Gludio town theme song as background music? perfect! #Lineage2 player will know.
Great video as usual
My male line was in Pannonia for thousands of years before moving up into Denmark then into England...Salve!
I thought the Iazyges were called the Lazyges all this time...
Curiously, another iranian people, the Jasz, related to the Ossetians/Alans, who are descendants of ancient Sarmatians, settled in the same territory as the Iazyges and spoke their language until the 15 th century.
Unrelated topic: this video at 0:32 crashes my TV, no other video does it. It's happened 4 times now. It plays on my other devices fine. I have a feeling the TV has a seizure trying to process that animation for some reason. Anyone else have this issue?
Stable video 👍
I got osii, quadi, and illyrian blood, so that was interesting to watch.
Nice video, had to rewatch a few times tho
why is this so underrated
I don't know ...
what is the map you use for these videos? it looks very good
thanks in advance!
I edit it in photoshop but I get the core data from here- maps-for-free.com/#close
6:09, isn't Bratislava also a capital?
Not founded by the Romans, and technically never was part of the Roman empire.
6:12
*4 of which are capital cities today, you forgot Bratislava.
Read the description.
Bratislava was never permanently within the territory of the Roman empire.
@@MLaserHistory Oh, Im sorry, I forgot to check the description.
awsome video guys. You are Hungarians, right?
Is it possible that many Bavarians come from Pannonia? My great-grandfather's parents both were from Bavaria and my DNA test consistently shows relativity from the entire region of Pannonia, including Slovakia, Croatia, Northern Italy and Hungary.
I always assumed it was Alpiner, but there's very little influence from the western countries of Europe.
The Danube river was the most vital part of this area. It flows from west Germany through Bavaria and central Europe in to the black sea. As such it paved the way for a high activity in trading, exchanging of ideas, cultures and of course sex between all these lands. So no it wouldn't be weird at all that people along the Danube have similar DNA.
@@MLaserHistory I hadn't even thought of that. Thank you.
Alex But Croats and slovaks are both slavs, so they are related genetically
@@ivanhus3852 There were not slavs yet at that time, slavs came in 7th century.
Pannonia tribes of Illirya panonia mean in old Albanian language our mother
Lmao huns in 420 go brr
7:00 Why does it say XIIII for fourteenth and not XIV? I'm not saying it's a mistake necessarily, it just stood out to me.
Because even though Romans had numbering standards that does not always mean they were followed. Roman legions were often numbered as "IIII", "VIIII", "XIIII", "XIIX" and "XVIIII". Some examples of Roman steles with the XIIII numbering.
www.livius.org/pictures/germany/baden-baden-aquae/baden-baden-tombstone-of-lucius-aemilius/
www.livius.org/pictures/croatia/topusco-ad-fines/topusco-dedication-to-silvanus/
www.livius.org/pictures/germany/mainz-mogontiacum/mainz-museum-pieces/mainz-inscription-of-xiiii-gemina/
and many more.
I have no idea why sometimes Roman numbering standards were omitted by the Romans. Maybe there's some book out there explaining it but I couldn't find anything.
Good question though.
13:19 nice
So many letters fighting each other.
i try to find info on our Krayenbuel family crest frum bern switzerland 1490's.
il give it a like for encludiong the huns
4th century bc...more like 11th-13th century ad.
Hungarians should give back this land to Italy because it is the ancient land of the Roman and the Romanian Empire.
Actually romans took that land too from other tribes that lived there, until slavs came and settled in and much more later, hungarians.
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aquincum is still called aquincum
it's just merged with Budapest
Now I know what the project is but now I’m wondering what the Roman numeral for 2 is on the logo
Legio II Adiutrix (I mentioned it in the video)
I feel like the Scipios were named and then sent to the region they were named for to Rome the Fuck out of said region Scipio style
1:45
YA BOI!!!
Now do every other Roman province and my $5 Wendy’s coupon is yours
lol I don't even live in a country that has Wendy's.
- from now on, you have to forget all the gods. we have 1 (ONE) true god. he's called god, duuuhh
- but? that's boring. besides, how can gods just go away? oh, and it is BORING!
- it is what it is.
Amazing! Proud of my illyrians
Me to ! very proud to be Albanian !
:D !
Could you possibly link the base map you used in this video?
I made it my self using this as a reference maps-for-free.com/#close
Why do the legions have different names?
And then the Huns came. And then the Hungarians came.
Avars, there were the Avars in Pannonia after the Huns for about 250 years.
What about Croatia? I mean we were there from 7th to 12th century. I've maybe misunderstood something but great video anyways!
Croatia didn't exist during the Roman era ... ?
We were there before, but not in that big numbers....
There are artefacts, but they are in Belgrade.
Officially we were recognized more in 7th century....9th by Rome...Bizantine before...
It's difficult to distinguish early southern Slavic populations into modern days nationalities and they probably didnt seen themselves as much different from each other either. Plus idk if I just missed it but this video wasnt really dealing with stuff after ~5th century.
Should have let arthur morgan or kratos narrate this
13:19 420 blaze it
Oh ShIt Is ThIs A hUnGaRiAn ReFeReNcE?
2:16 That's Caius Marius
"The so-called "bust of Marius" in the Munich Glyptothek, identified by Filippo Coarelli as that of Asiaticus, originally located on the facade of the Tomb of the Scipiones."
Boii
1:52 *#ThiccBoIi*
boi
BOIIIIII
Latino lives there aka the other Mexico well before Roman
And where was his Kingdom?
Who's kingdom ?
@@kovacssandor3474 I sadly can't speak Hungarian and also sadly don't have the money to pay someone to translate it.
The best I can do is leave the translation option open on the video (which it is) and hope some knowledgeable in Hungarian is willing to translate the video.
Lazygaes
What about the arrival of Slavs? :(
I already have multiple videos about that on my channel.
North Macedonia tru name
Illyrian, why do you have to lose so hard that you get pushed out, move, and get lose even harder, the Illyrian in me is making me angry. Shoutout to the Illyrian for giving the land it’s name
Who came here from oversimplified
Eyy it’s boi